Unfortunately we need them. Ever try to learn Geometry with half the class screaming at the top of their lungs and interrupting class? Just go to a majority black school.. They get much MORE funding than white schools, but it's the STUDENTS who make it impossible to learn, not the faculty.
Instead of blaming the problem on the children, try to figure out the real problem. Children don't act badly just because they are bad kids, there is a reason. Handcuffing kids and treating them brutally is NOT going to solve anything, it just makes it much much worse. It's stupidity enforced by people who have no idea what they are doing. There is something wrong with the system. The other day I read about a little boy who was handcuffed in class just because he was crying. It's ridiculous. Have they nothing better to do than terrorizing children? A grown person who hasn't even studied basic pedagogy have no business in a class room.
I agree. But at the end of the day, it's NOT the teacher's job to discipline and deal with your out of control kid. They are there to, well, teach. The problem lies with the parents. I see these courtroom outbursts of black families all the time. Little Johnny gets sentenced to 11 years for pointing a loaded gun at a police officer after a high speed chase in a stolen vehicle. "He's only sixteen years old!" the mother screams, "And you're giving him 11 years!" (The father is almost always tellingly absent). Exactly, he IS only 16 years old. So where were you when he was hanging out with a bunch of street thugs on the corner? Where were you when he was stealing that car? Where were you ten years ago, when he's supposed to be learning basic morality and self control? The answer, whatever excuse they give, is NOT BEING A PARENT. These urban schools are removing all but the core, basic science classes because their kids are either unwilling or unable to take or pass them. Thanks to the No Child Left Behind Act, the most harmful piece of legislation passed this century, schools cater to the under achievers while quashing the advanced students who move too fast for the majority. In school, I was all but drowned out in my required, core classes. How can you be able to get a good score on your finals if there's a fist fight every other day in your classroom? It takes up the teacher's and students' time and attention. I was glad that they would drag them out, as terrible as that sounds, because I could finally, actually, LEARN. It doesn't help that in the black community, children and teens that try hard, study, and excel are ridiculed and called "half-breed", a derogatory term for someone, implying they are part white. I was assaulted multiple times in my first year for being a weird, nerdy white girl with glasses. Luckily, I took courses in my second year that actually required a prerequisite to enroll in, so the problem makers thinned out (or got suspended, expelled, or pregnant). Anyway, all I am saying is blaming the staff for handcuffing misbehaving students who have been taught to behave that way since they were in diapers on the faculty is just as problematic as blaming the children themselves.
+Karna Upadhyay Lol I asked the same thing. How do you enforce any sort of code of conduct against toddlers? It seems ridic, but in our modern "cultured" society, not much surprises me anymore.
kickapowwww Right. How stupid is it to enforce rules on someone who is literally a cognitive toddler. I dunno if they even have empathy before 4 years old. They just learned object permanence, lol.
+Karna Upadhyay You should do some study of adolescent pyschology. Major attachment issues along with conduct disorder can present by that age. Alot of the kids are suspend for being continually violent towards other kids.
yeah I have been expelled from a school when I was in kindergarten I remember it very clear. the teacher was collecting balls after recess and I was walking towards her and when she was a few feet away I kicked as hard as I could right into her face and she had to go to the hospital. I swear God I didn't mean to hurt her but I was just hyped up at the time bc I was playing kick ball. I remember they wanted to arrest me but the teacher did not want to, my mother had to come pick me up while principal chewed me out and in kindergarten was kicked out after only 3 weeks into the school year. after finding a new school my mom got in touch with teacher and that whole summer a couple times a week I went to ms georgiou house and did yard work.to this day I felt so bad but I have to say that teacher was a angel and may she RIP
I lived in a place with extremely low crime rates and we still had police 2 or 3 police officers on campus in my middle school, in my two years there they essentially did nothing
If you suspend a student, it goes on their record, which means they are less likely to get into college, which means they are more likely to be in poverty, which means they are more likely to commit a crime. Funny how all of our solutions in this country just exacerbate the problems. Makes you wonder whether those in charge really want to solve the problems at all.
No. These are policies carefully drawn up by private prison operators. Private prisons are very lucrative for their owners. People have to lose for others to win. Can't afford a yacht and fancy house without others getting the short of the stick.
Thts cold. Thankfully they only add expulsions to your record here which has resulted in schools having sympathy for their students and trying to sway from the media by telling the student and their parents tht if they stay they will be expelled but if they leave on their own accord, the school will help them get into a neighbouring school of the same calibre. It works because schools close by within the same league work with each other ultimately avoiding bad press and giving the student another chance without it going on their record. One shady transaction thts actually beneficial for once.
We live in a country run by devils the earth is give unto the wicked. They got everybody blaming the blacks the immigrants the ones with no power. While they steal ur social security nd pensions. They steal more and more wealth they destroy the country with inflation racist policies and they put no investment in the land or the people. When is enough enough?
+Will Parkinson Dude you should have seen some of the fights that broke out at my high school, if the police weren't there it could have gotten really violent quite a few times. And I know this is perpetuating stereotypes and racism and all that shit, but I swear to God, in every single fight there was a black kid involved. I'm not trying to insinuate anything, but that is a fact.
IDontHaveMoney WishIHadMoney being held back in preschool is really common. When most people hear "held back" they assume it's because they didn't pass, but in most cases they never even began the school year. Really little kids develop at different rates, and a lot of young kids are encouraged by schools to wait a year before entering, if the school thinks they're not ready. If you can remember that far back, you might remember being tested by your teacher before you ever started preschool/kindergarten. Source: my mother has a master's in early childhood education
That happened to me. Nothing academic, I just was sickly and didn’t have any social skills, so it was encouraged that I wait another year for kindergarten.
The US seems very controlling of its people. I as a non American thinks like this, are people ignorant through choice, or is it the government that instills this ignorance into its people?
Matt Frankman both actually..including liberals who don’t listen to other people’s opinions but believe that their opinions are the only ones and the right ones that matter when their actually dumb sheep beign led to the slaughter
Discipline in American schools is always distributed differently along racial lines, in my experience. The white kids always got the benefit of the doubt. "Sarah's having a really tough time right now, and she's acting out." That sort of stuff. Their behavioral problems were always treated as a sort of temporary impairment, and so they would get off with just warnings or lesser punishments for the same (or sometimes even worse) offenses. On the other hand, black and latino kids with behavioral problems were treated as if they were little monsters whose 'true colors' were coming out. No one cared if those kids were having a tough time at home or were being bullied. You're "talking back to me?" Must be because you're a future delinquent and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Better send you home for a few weeks or send you to juvie, preventing you from attaining the one thing that would help you get control of your lifes circumstances (education), and ultimately come out a better person. I have seen white kids get off with a warning for literally smoking weed at school. You know what happened to the black kids that did the same thing? They get thrown in jail. No questions, no sympathy. I went to high schools in three different states (Fl, Al, Ga) and I saw this shit in every single one. School administrators should be required to take racial bias seminars or something because it is a horrible failing on the part of the educational system to let this happen... God, this still makes me so angry and I haven't been in a public school in years...
that is possibly do to the simple reason that you're a racist and you view and inject race as a factor into everything. example: the white guy standing in line 5 minutes earlier than the black/hispanic/asian/indian/white guy to get a sandwich only got his first because he's white, white people always think they got to be 1st. im sure you've said something similar before.
So much of this problem could be fixed with quality therapeutic care in schools. I'm a youth pastor and my wife is a therapist and 99% of the kids that get into the most trouble in our group and at school have some cognitive or emotional delay/disorder. Most of whom have parents that refuse to entertain the idea that something is wrong and they blame us or the school. We need more licensed therapists, involved parents, and better trained teachers then police.
That was my parents 100%, sweep everything under the rug, what would the neighbours and the ladies at church think? Must maintain appearances at all costs
As someone who attended (Catholic) private school from the 3rd grade to being a senior in high school, they might do worse because the regulations are stricter.
In my personal opinion, and experience as a child who had several best friends who went to several different ones before being placed in public. Private schools are worse, less people around to see and more positions of power able to gaslight the children in whatever situations they want
too late for me, this system of ours already done screwed me! got kicked out on the 1st day of school for defending my self against getting jumped at lunch but since they where in sports & really good at it & I was just you're average B student I got expelled & they got a pat on the shoulder saying good job!! long story short I got a job & NEVER went back, still a Freshman till this day & I'm in my 20's.....
Dude, you lost. You let them push you out of school and end up in a dead-end job. Ending up where you are now is just showing those bullies that they've won. They've kept you down in school, and now they've kept you down in the real world. Get yourself a GED and find a way to get into college. Prove to them that you're the type of person that get back up! It's never too late. I'm 24 and just starting college, you can definitely get your GED before 24 and start college at an age before I am!
wavey61 A lot of good an education does you today. All it does is make you over-qualified for the crap job you're gonna get. That crap job will likely become automated in at least the next decade. You can try to look for a career that won't be automated to soon. But, it's likely that all positions for those careers are going to be in low to no demand. You're probably better off not having to pay off student loans and hope for the best to come
If we don't funnel students into jails, where are we suppose to get new criminals? Am I the only one that cares about for profit prison systems? Come on people, think.
+pointlessfailure It will all make sense to you when you learn the members of the school board are funded by the same lobbyists who push for "tough on crime" legislation.
+Suedocode And the tax money goes to the prisons. The owners of the prisons spend that money on lobbyists in your senate. The senate passes more criminal laws and now there are more convicted persons. More prisoners, more tax money. More lobbying, tougher criminal laws. Rinse repeat, rinse repeat. Oh and don't forget that national debt. You want to make an honest living so you can escape this cycle? Good luck.
from a kid who has been expelled and suspended many times and been through Juvenile Hall many times I really think it had to do allot with being from a broken home when my Mom had to work all the time and I'm suppose to raise myself it really sent me down a destructive path. being in juvie for a long time made me realize that the path I was taking was going to end up spending the rest of my life in jail. so once I turned 18 I made a pact to myself that here is my 2nd chance and if I didn't wanted to spend 16 hours in a jail cell for the rest of my life I needed to change. since being 18 I have made big efforts to distances myself from my past and to really appreciate my freedom. what i think needs to happen to help kids that are going down that path they need guidance and if the government wants to help, they need more programs to keep these kids busy. it's hard to put so much on the government to fix this but it could be spun that it's black kids but I'm not black and when I see it, it has to do more with these kids coming from broken homes. I know the government can't fix broken homes but instead of just preparing for these kids to eventually end up in the penitentiary to try a different approach and try to help the kids. not all the kids are able to figure on their own
Holy hell I had no idea that preschool suspension was a thing. That's literally not allowing a 4 year old to learn the alphabet because they did something wrong that they may not have even known was wrong. They're learning about the world. They're only about 3 or 4. Let them be.
@@barnacles1352 That's complete nonsense. If that was the case, than the Gospel would be an exclusive legalistic club and Jesus would have rejected the sinners in His ministry. Claiming that loving thy enemy has an * is fundamentally anti-Christian. Jesus literally said "I did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance."
+BigEvan96 belgium over here, we don't have police controlling in school everyday, one 1once in few year for drugs, but they will not control a school the whole day, race here is not so bad in the us, if you done something bad, you get punished and you know how? stay after school write so many pages and the worse of all, stay home and write so many paged, if that doesn't work, can't come back for x years, but usa and his gun rights and racial problems, i don't understand how this country is so safe, i think it would be better for usa to stay away from problems of other countries and actually deal with their own first, even poor countries doesn't has this problem
+BigEvan96 Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland... Here in Communist Europe, I think it's pretty much every country, and I'm pretty sure most of the countries have a "school-to-prison pipeline" going on. I'm no expert on this, but one difference I think I'm seeing is the US has a lot of focus on puhishment (both in the prison system, but apparently also in the school system, as this video shows), whereas much of EU is focused on rehabilitation. Maybe that has something to do with it, although the full picture is undoubtedly more complex.
+BigEvan96 Sure, but that shouldn't necessarily result in such drastically different results. And it still means that governments CAN do a good (relatively) job. Just blaming the government is, in my mind, both (mostly) wrong, but also the easy way out. I say "mostly" in parenthesis because certainly the government is part of the problem - especially if it's a bad government, or if it has implemented bad policies. And I say that it's an easy way out because I think the US as a society should have a lengthy and nuanced discussion on this, rather than just saying it's "the government!" Most problems like this are complex and requires complex solutions.
Yeah the moment schools give teachers the power to call an SRO, they always end up using it, and \its really common for the teacher's racism to come into play there.
I thought the same, I like this channel but it's sad when they make claims with no support... Take a look at 1.33, she actually speaks lower and says "accordingly with one study"
Eduardo Sánchez --- Then prove it's not true. Otherwise, you should shut up. Everytime a rightwing-loony like you says something outrageous, the left is expected to disprove them, often obliging. Now it's your turn
For everyone asking... Yes America has had cops in it schools since my entire years in K-12 lol. They almost always have 2 officers. Probably started around 9/11
as someone who has been wrongly suspended, i can say that the talking it out thing sounds great. i would love to talk to the person that falsely accused me of things because now i'm too scared to even walk near her. thanks school systems for never failing to let me down.
It really isn't weird when you think about it. When there was a police officer at my high school, I felt more safe than uncomfortable. If something were to happen where a police officer were to be needed, there would be one already there to help. Better than some school faculty that is only there to get paid that doesn't give nearly enough of a shit to help the students and risk themselves.
yeah our police were cool most of the time but theres times where the restrain students violently because they were arguing they dont know how to treat students they just know how to treat criminals of course not all are bad after the last cop was fire for grabbing a student by their neck a much better came along but they even still has some issues when its right to do something
Aditya Ravishankar Isn't that what police are for? To make people feel safe and secure even if there is no danger? Fights rarely occur in our schools, but that doesn't change the fact that the police officers make me feel safe.
Yeah, to be honest we don't need them in schools, it just gives teachers power that they use every single time something goes wrong instead of using de-escalation or being lenient.
+Flubberg464 Do they do that with violent students? If someone punches me in the face because I took their seat I would have zero interest in having a sit down conversation with them lol
I had 4 retired police officers in my high school because my high school was so big. Nothing ever crazy happened, but if something was going on, they would get the situation under control without any grabs or taking someone down.
One note that wasn't mentioned is the SRO (school resource officers) need to justify their position and their cost. Arrest show his effectiveness and tickets issued to parents results in offsetting the SRO cost.
My school deadass has a cop that just stands there all day and the only thing he’s ever actually done is tackle a kid half his size to the floor for running with another kid down the hallway 💀
I know of a teacher who's researching about restorative justice. It's a very promising venue that encourages conflict resolution over simply a dissolution of relations by punishment.
While this video does bring up some valid points, there is no mention if a major root cause here: Educators. Teachers and administrators have been underpaid for years, leading to a shortage of such staff. This has lead to people working those jobs that probably should not be teachers. My dad is a schoolteacher, I’ve watched firsthand how the education world has changed. Great try Vox, but you aren’t telling the whole story here
What does "talking back" mean in practise ? The things that come close from my german perspective wolde be inslutig people refuse to participate disrupting the class by screaming etc And to get supended someone would have to either do them regularly or realy extreme
I was suspended in elementary school over 100 times because I was being bullied. The principal told my dad that they couldn't do anything to all the other students because there were a bunch of them but only 1 of me. They treated me like garbage all through middlschool and I was beaten by a kid named Marquez at least once a week. I got real mean and strong in highschool and started ending up in juvie which caused me to flunk out completely in the junior year due to lack of credit. I tried the best I could given my circumstances. These days I'm so poor that I can't afford internet and can barely make the power and rent. I'm not a bad guy though, I'm just hurt and trying my best
My friend is black and when he does something not to bad he gets treated like it was something he would get suspended for. But when someone else does something worse in front of a teacher. Nothing happens
****My testimony **** I can relate, in my junior year of High School never got suspended in my life. Beginning of class I am talking to my Hispanic friend Diana random girl talk about boys. The teacher looked at her and me and said: "what did you say?" Did you call me fat? I was stunned because it was such immature and irreverent question AND the fact I did not! But if I did, was it necessary to suspend me over what you thought you heard from six-feet away even when all my classmates and Diana were backing my story??? So, afterward, I thought nothing of it she continued class. I went on to open my science book and continue following alone in class. She showed no signs that this was a continued problem. And the discussion was over. Only the next day to come to class get sent to the office because I was being suspended!!! Yeah, we are really going to compete with Asia on Science and Math by constantly kicking our kids out for talking!!! America would be well rid of institutional racism if finally addressed, but demagogues across the region, it seems to me, could use such action as "proof" that America just wants to orchestrate the division for control. Blacks need to get on lawsuits with them using race to provide more policing in public schools that have more Blacks??? But we are quick to get on Asians who dominate the college and a few put aside for Mexican or blacks students who make the cut??? Blacks should also focus on the low funding in Black/Native/Mexican schools that provide less hope for those who need to get into college. If we are going to address Affirmative Action for the 8% of Asian in America then we need to address underfunding for the success of poor Whites, Native, Mexican, Blacks, and poor Asians who are underprepared by the time they get into college.
I like the "talk it out method" because it works with trusted individuals and builds self confidence. The mere appearance of police at a school fosters children who believe that adults HATE children and want to make their lives difficult... as adults this translates to everybody. The best policy is to have no police at schools, because terrorism is not something that can be prevented- it can only be midigated after the fact. But perhaps the sad truth is that in urbanized areas the police are feared by the people, not their friends. I bet a little bit of cleaning up on all sides is the best solution, because in reality we are all to blame and need to work together to make children build self confidence. Hmm, what did I start with?
I came for an explanation of the school-to-prison pipeline, this video took a LONG time to get to the point, i feel like half of the video should be a separate, more in-depth one.
0:59 "Schools with SROs have 5 times as many arrests for disorderly conduct than schools without SROs" maybe because they have an officer witnessing the event, ensuring a higher chance of arrest of perpetrators?
@@thejay8963 Well, consider things students do to each other. This includes sexual misconduct, stealing, harassment, battery, and more. You are a liar to not see at least one of these during a middle-high school year.
What a simple way to resolve the issues a teacher and singular stundent may have. I child can easily speak their mind when given the floor and acknowledgement... children are the most important beings within our society and people dont see that enough. It starts with our children, literally... its not a cliche, its real life.
Restorative justice has worked at my old high school. I helped mentor my fellow classmates and we had a record number of graduates this past school year!
My school has something called in house suspension Back then, instead of sending you home where you might get in even more trouble for your conduct, you get sent to the nearby middle school in a room with other suspended people, you're sent work and watched the whole time It seems to be working, cause there's a lot less fights in my school since this was implemented, which was the number one reason kids were suspended
This is what my school in the UK has been doing for a long time now. In the 80s-00s it was one of the worst schools, in terms of behaviour, in the entire county. But a new headteacher came in and introduced and new punishment system like the one described here and the behaviour AND grades have dramatically improved in the last 10 years. Now I'm proud to be attending that school and am thankful that it's a safe environment to learn in.
There are two things we really need to think about. Our criminal justice system, and our police training. Many times, it's not whether the officer was trigger happy or just violent, but they were poorly trained and is trapped in a department with little budget.
I'm in Quebec and we had a police officer in our primary classroom once. She was invited and she taught us we needed to wear a helmet while using a bicycle.
I'm an American living in the Pacific Northwest, and we have one or sometimes two police officers at our school (our school is only like 2% black). I don't know why, since the worst thing that's happened to our school was when a guy slapped another dude (he got one day suspension) and when another guy (jokingly) whipped his belt at some sixth graders (two days suspension).
I'm not even from America, but this is such a HUGE problem when you look at it... Americans should be disgraced by the public image it gives it's country In the wider world... it's not right to criminalise young people for "talking back " because even if they are wrong.. they are there to learn, not to be crippled and punished by an arrest record that prevents them from any other field or way of life other than crime....
+Levine Levine true in some sense yes, but you have to look at the bigger picture too. the reason for police in schools in America is to add security in the case of students bringing widely available firearms to school and being selfish evil f...ools and killing people/themselves.... the main problem which is also mentioned in the video is the handoff of responsibility that is made by the school system to the police... both the police and school system have this grey area of handoff in which the schools can get rid of the problem instantly... the police deal with a certain threshold too.. ie "the criminal " so when presented with a young offender they would assume that they are criminals.This ultimately causes the problem of school to prison line
That's upsetting but sadly not surprising. Prisons replaced salvery too. I watched a video Bailey Sarian did on Angola and it's history is very interesting!
The things you’re talking about work only in theory nine practice all it does is encourage schools not to suspend bad kids like the school IT chat, which overwhelms teachers and force of students who want to learn on the back burner because we have to deal with bad student who won’t get expelled, and that causes teachers to leave
im not really sure what i got out of this bc there were just too many numbers to comprehend but i got intense nostalgia at that puppy place book cuz i used to love those
When a video consistently uses the phrase “at least one study...” without actually naming its sources, there’s a real problem. One study has literally no bearing on anything.
One study is better than no study, which up until now is what these school administrators had to go off of. Skepticism is always warranted, but to totally dismiss any piece of evidence requires that evidence either failing a preponderance test of credibility or being supplanted by a better piece of evidence. In this case, no alternative study exists, and all anecdotal evidence is inherently less credible than a properly conducted study, so what we have left is a preponderance test (preponderance meaning 'of greater weight'). In order to dismiss this study as having "literally no bearing on anything", it must be proven that the weight of circumstances bolstering the credibility of that study is outweighed by factors that make it non-credible. The first element I like to look for when assessing evidence is relevance: do the findings of a study have any bearing on the validity of an argumentative claim? The thing is, while Vox only cites individual studies for many of their claims, they are typically citing a unique study for each claim. The claim that SRO's increase the likelihood of students being arrested is based on an analysis by the Justice Policy Institute, while their suspension trend data comes from a study conducted by the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights. To try and keep things quick, I'll only focus on the JPI study. Is this study relevant to bolster Vox's argument that disciplinary policies lead to more arrests? Yes. Relevance by itself does not mean something is credible, but it's a good first step (if evidence is irrelevant it really doesn't matter whether or not its credible). Next, I want look at the mechanics of the study specifically for indications of errors. This study was published in a peer-reviewed journal (Journal of Criminal Justice), had a large sample size of 28 schools, and looked at an entire year's worth of data. Further, the data they relied on was publicly available, and kept in accordance with the standards of criminal legal proceedings. All of this provides significant weight to the credibility of the source of the study's materials, and also preemptively mitigates any potential bias on the part of the study's authors. Because the data is public and was peer reviewed, it is difficult to claim the authors are lying or misrepresenting the numbers. Finally, let's talk about factors that could hurt this study's credibility. While the sample size is certainly large, the U.S. has thousands of schools. 28 should be enough to provide a general, representative picture, but there is grounds for reconsideration if a more representative study is offered. Continuing on the theme of applicability, this study is almost 10 years old, and may not accurately portray modern SRO behaviors or practices. Further, while it would be difficult to claim the authors substantially misrepresented or twisted data, it is not impossible. Now lets assess. In preponderance tests, I like to visualize a scale, with each side representing positive factors and negative factors. On the positive side, we have a lot. Most of the available information suggests this study was conducted to a sufficient degree of rigor as to survive academic scrutiny while offering a relevant and representative perspective of a topic. On the negative, there is the potential for a prima facie challenge on the basis of whether or not the age of this study makes it irrelevant, but I see no significant evidence to suggest it would, nor do any other studies contradict this one's findings. Given the heavy weight to the affirmative, I do not believe sufficient facts exist to say that this source has "literally no bearing on anything".
bubblybangtan before this policy is implemented (~16 century to 1999)America only had 2 highly devastating school attacks (I think)one in 1770s when a American spy murdered 7 British recruits in a military school and columbine,after the policy,there is a major school attack every 3 months.
Right...I wouldn't count on this as a reliable news source. It's like buzzfeed or tyt, trying to spread leftist/libtard views and lying to the general public about statistics that aren't true.
As a middle schooler, I can tell you that we would probably hate "restorative justice" more because at suspension and stuff would give you a badboy reputation so only around half the school would avoid you. Restorative Justice would just embarass you, so we would be less likely to do a crime to avoid it.
Let's not leave out the 'church to prison pipeline', because guess how some White church members are talking about some Black church members to officers.
Bruh, the correlation is not caused by students being suspended causing them to be more likely to go to jail. It is that bad kids are more likely to grow into bad adults.
The one where the police officer threw the chair and dragged the student out of their chair is actually considered assault. I want to respect police officers, but that one video made it pretty hard for me to respect them.
This made me tear up. I am Middle Eastern and was clumped into the Hispanic stereotype in my school years. I grew up in Arizona which is predominantly white and Hispanic (20 years ago; it is a little more diverse now). As an adult, I now recognize how I was mistreated like many of these African American students shown in this video. The maltreatment is a direct result of prejudice based on skin color. I hope that the experiment with counseling instead of suspension is practiced widespread when my children start school. I was suspended 5 times by the time I graduated high school and I really wasn't that bad. No kid should be taken down by an officer while sitting in a classroom desk...despicable and unjust use of power.
Time for non-Americans in the comment section to get uppity and judge the U.S based on their own country's norms and assume we're the only country with any problems ever! My favorite time of year!
my friend got in school suspension for walking out the wrong door bc she was running late for class and it was the faster route. at my school if someone beats you up and you don't even hit back, you both get ISS
I was taken away by a police officer at my middle school for threatening another student and then I was suspended. It was the most degrading and humiliating experience of my life. I didn't even really threaten her. My words were taken out of context and they actually knew that and so they gave me a 3 day suspension instead of the standard week long suspension. But it also could have been because I was white. I bet if a black person were in my position at the time, they would have provably received a worse punishment. Either way, they had to file a police report on me, and it was the most awful thing to go through, especially since I was still a kid, only 12. Having to be written up, take a threat assessment test, to see if you are actually a dangerous person, and having a police report on you when you are only kid makes you feel like a criminal.
There is an out dated adage "Spare the rod and spoil the child." This may have had some value back 6000 years ago in Jewish culture but we have since had enlightenment from other great teachers who advocated love and forgiveness. Maybe some of the US citizens could help me remember who that was. Could it be the same Jesus of Nazareth who they claim to follow? If you want good behaviour from children, the formula is simple: 90% praise for the qualities you desire when you describe and see them from the children and no more that 10% admonishment for those undesirable qualities they may exhibit. This means that the adults first have to know the virtues they want to instil in children and be able to describe them to the children FIRST and exhibit those virtues themselves and then actively look for those virtues to praise in the children.
Robert Evans I hope you aren't as naive as you sound. That might work fine in a school with kids from good families, but try this method in an inner-city school and they will eat you alive.
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Suspension of preschoolers is one of the dumbest things I ever heard of
+Derrick Wade Yeah, it's as if the entire US societal structure is being based on punishment, instead of actually trying to help people.
+Derrick Wade Illicit drinking of milk during nap time.
+Derrick Wade Lmfao your profile pic is so confusing.
+Gnug215 Because The US foster Independence not dependence.
+East South Well, punishment is also dependent on others, isn't it?
I'm Norwegian. One time in the 4th grade we had a police officer in our class room. He told us about his job.
Lol
Unfortunately we need them. Ever try to learn Geometry with half the class screaming at the top of their lungs and interrupting class? Just go to a majority black school.. They get much MORE funding than white schools, but it's the STUDENTS who make it impossible to learn, not the faculty.
I don't suppose you have any evidence to back any of that?
Instead of blaming the problem on the children, try to figure out the real problem. Children don't act badly just because they are bad kids, there is a reason. Handcuffing kids and treating them brutally is NOT going to solve anything, it just makes it much much worse. It's stupidity enforced by people who have no idea what they are doing. There is something wrong with the system. The other day I read about a little boy who was handcuffed in class just because he was crying. It's ridiculous. Have they nothing better to do than terrorizing children?
A grown person who hasn't even studied basic pedagogy have no business in a class room.
I agree. But at the end of the day, it's NOT the teacher's job to discipline and deal with your out of control kid. They are there to, well, teach. The problem lies with the parents. I see these courtroom outbursts of black families all the time. Little Johnny gets sentenced to 11 years for pointing a loaded gun at a police officer after a high speed chase in a stolen vehicle. "He's only sixteen years old!" the mother screams, "And you're giving him 11 years!" (The father is almost always tellingly absent). Exactly, he IS only 16 years old. So where were you when he was hanging out with a bunch of street thugs on the corner? Where were you when he was stealing that car? Where were you ten years ago, when he's supposed to be learning basic morality and self control? The answer, whatever excuse they give, is NOT BEING A PARENT. These urban schools are removing all but the core, basic science classes because their kids are either unwilling or unable to take or pass them. Thanks to the No Child Left Behind Act, the most harmful piece of legislation passed this century, schools cater to the under achievers while quashing the advanced students who move too fast for the majority. In school, I was all but drowned out in my required, core classes. How can you be able to get a good score on your finals if there's a fist fight every other day in your classroom? It takes up the teacher's and students' time and attention. I was glad that they would drag them out, as terrible as that sounds, because I could finally, actually, LEARN. It doesn't help that in the black community, children and teens that try hard, study, and excel are ridiculed and called "half-breed", a derogatory term for someone, implying they are part white. I was assaulted multiple times in my first year for being a weird, nerdy white girl with glasses. Luckily, I took courses in my second year that actually required a prerequisite to enroll in, so the problem makers thinned out (or got suspended, expelled, or pregnant). Anyway, all I am saying is blaming the staff for handcuffing misbehaving students who have been taught to behave that way since they were in diapers on the faculty is just as problematic as blaming the children themselves.
You can suspend a preschooler?!?!
+Karna Upadhyay Lol I asked the same thing. How do you enforce any sort of code of conduct against toddlers? It seems ridic, but in our modern "cultured" society, not much surprises me anymore.
kickapowwww Right. How stupid is it to enforce rules on someone who is literally a cognitive toddler. I dunno if they even have empathy before 4 years old. They just learned object permanence, lol.
+Karna Upadhyay I thought the same thing as soon as I heard that lol
+Karna Upadhyay You should do some study of adolescent pyschology. Major attachment issues along with conduct disorder can present by that age. Alot of the kids are suspend for being continually violent towards other kids.
Caleb Paddack
Well a preschooler isn't an adolescent, so....
Wait WTF suspension in preschool is a thing?
Once I saw an officer come to our kindergarten class, I think the kid had stolen something
yeah I have been expelled from a school when I was in kindergarten I remember it very clear. the teacher was collecting balls after recess and I was walking towards her and when she was a few feet away I kicked as hard as I could right into her face and she had to go to the hospital. I swear God I didn't mean to hurt her but I was just hyped up at the time bc I was playing kick ball. I remember they wanted to arrest me but the teacher did not want to, my mother had to come pick me up while principal chewed me out and in kindergarten was kicked out after only 3 weeks into the school year. after finding a new school my mom got in touch with teacher and that whole summer a couple times a week I went to ms georgiou house and did yard work.to this day I felt so bad but I have to say that teacher was a angel and may she RIP
Skyranex Nooo she didn't die, she just took a ball to the face, and had to go to the hospital
Lunella Wintermint more like she took an arrow to the knee
I was expelled from pre-school because I slapped a teacher on the wrist after she did that t one of my friends.
police in schools... america never ceases to surprise me
It's pretty normal
+Todd Howard you're*
***** thats the funniest thing i hear in a while
you made my day
It is not only police in schools, but they are not there to protect the kids but to punish them.
I lived in a place with extremely low crime rates and we still had police 2 or 3 police officers on campus in my middle school, in my two years there they essentially did nothing
PREschoolers suspended? WTF?!
Welcome to America
What can you do to get suspended in pre school? Not taking a nap at nap time?
fernanda romero-valdespino rekt a kid
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If you suspend a student, it goes on their record, which means they are less likely to get into college, which means they are more likely to be in poverty, which means they are more likely to commit a crime. Funny how all of our solutions in this country just exacerbate the problems. Makes you wonder whether those in charge really want to solve the problems at all.
Hence why the US is basically a dystopia in many ways.
No. These are policies carefully drawn up by private prison operators. Private prisons are very lucrative for their owners. People have to lose for others to win. Can't afford a yacht and fancy house without others getting the short of the stick.
Thts cold. Thankfully they only add expulsions to your record here which has resulted in schools having sympathy for their students and trying to sway from the media by telling the student and their parents tht if they stay they will be expelled but if they leave on their own accord, the school will help them get into a neighbouring school of the same calibre.
It works because schools close by within the same league work with each other ultimately avoiding bad press and giving the student another chance without it going on their record. One shady transaction thts actually beneficial for once.
@@Cherry-pu4mx I've heard of this practice. Sad that schools have to bend/break the rules because the rules are not in their students' best interests.
We live in a country run by devils the earth is give unto the wicked. They got everybody blaming the blacks the immigrants the ones with no power. While they steal ur social security nd pensions. They steal more and more wealth they destroy the country with inflation racist policies and they put no investment in the land or the people. When is enough enough?
TIL America even has police in its schools.
+Will Parkinson Dude you should have seen some of the fights that broke out at my high school, if the police weren't there it could have gotten really violent quite a few times. And I know this is perpetuating stereotypes and racism and all that shit, but I swear to God, in every single fight there was a black kid involved. I'm not trying to insinuate anything, but that is a fact.
+Will Parkinson most schools have a resource officer. they rarely get involved in anything unless something illegal happens.
+beet111 yeah. Mine only get involved when there are drug busts
+Will Parkinson I live in Canada and they have at least one standing by.
+hammerstorm It's more of a sad thing that officers are needed at schools.
I got suspended for wearing a ring that said "lit" they thought it was a"bomb"
I- _huh?_
*_How?!_*
Once I heard somebody say "I got held back in pre-school" How do you get held back in PRE-SCHOOL?!
IDontHaveMoney WishIHadMoney being held back in preschool is really common. When most people hear "held back" they assume it's because they didn't pass, but in most cases they never even began the school year. Really little kids develop at different rates, and a lot of young kids are encouraged by schools to wait a year before entering, if the school thinks they're not ready. If you can remember that far back, you might remember being tested by your teacher before you ever started preschool/kindergarten.
Source: my mother has a master's in early childhood education
Usually they don’t make a quota for progress but it’s not a bad thing
I think i did its all a blur i alao got held back in eigth grade which devistated me
@@quasi8180 It's very obvious by the way you spell why you got held back in 8th grade 😂
That happened to me. Nothing academic, I just was sickly and didn’t have any social skills, so it was encouraged that I wait another year for kindergarten.
The US seems very controlling of its people. I as a non American thinks like this, are people ignorant through choice, or is it the government that instills this ignorance into its people?
Matt Frankman That is a very good question.
Matt Frankman both actually..including liberals who don’t listen to other people’s opinions but believe that their opinions are the only ones and the right ones that matter when their actually dumb sheep beign led to the slaughter
I'm american and we never learn anything in school
@@frankthephilistine4713 that true
No it's the ppl that allow the powers at be to control them I just wonder when black ppl are going to say enough is enough
Discipline in American schools is always distributed differently along racial lines, in my experience. The white kids always got the benefit of the doubt. "Sarah's having a really tough time right now, and she's acting out." That sort of stuff. Their behavioral problems were always treated as a sort of temporary impairment, and so they would get off with just warnings or lesser punishments for the same (or sometimes even worse) offenses.
On the other hand, black and latino kids with behavioral problems were treated as if they were little monsters whose 'true colors' were coming out. No one cared if those kids were having a tough time at home or were being bullied. You're "talking back to me?" Must be because you're a future delinquent and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Better send you home for a few weeks or send you to juvie, preventing you from attaining the one thing that would help you get control of your lifes circumstances (education), and ultimately come out a better person.
I have seen white kids get off with a warning for literally smoking weed at school. You know what happened to the black kids that did the same thing? They get thrown in jail. No questions, no sympathy.
I went to high schools in three different states (Fl, Al, Ga) and I saw this shit in every single one. School administrators should be required to take racial bias seminars or something because it is a horrible failing on the part of the educational system to let this happen... God, this still makes me so angry and I haven't been in a public school in years...
that is possibly do to the simple reason that you're a racist and you view and inject race as a factor into everything. example: the white guy standing in line 5 minutes earlier than the black/hispanic/asian/indian/white guy to get a sandwich only got his first because he's white, white people always think they got to be 1st. im sure you've said something similar before.
+Jeremy Jackson So that's what gets you to sleep at night.
+Nihilist Porcupine Wow, same here and I also live in Georgia. Pretty shitty down here in the South. ._.
+Nihilist Porcupine i bought weed from my white friend, we both got caught but only i got suspended...
thats the american school system for you!
+fivemeomedia Liar.
So much of this problem could be fixed with quality therapeutic care in schools. I'm a youth pastor and my wife is a therapist and 99% of the kids that get into the most trouble in our group and at school have some cognitive or emotional delay/disorder. Most of whom have parents that refuse to entertain the idea that something is wrong and they blame us or the school. We need more licensed therapists, involved parents, and better trained teachers then police.
That was my parents 100%, sweep everything under the rug, what would the neighbours and the ladies at church think? Must maintain appearances at all costs
I would think bad parent(s) or a broken home would account for a lot more than 1%
Seeing that child being arrested while crying hurt my soul beyond repair. Im seriously considering homeschool or selling my organs for private school
That's disgusting
As someone who attended (Catholic) private school from the 3rd grade to being a senior in high school, they might do worse because the regulations are stricter.
I laughed way too hard at the kid beeing yeeted out of the chair by the police officer😂
Private Schools don't take bullying seriously.
In my personal opinion, and experience as a child who had several best friends who went to several different ones before being placed in public. Private schools are worse, less people around to see and more positions of power able to gaslight the children in whatever situations they want
When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail .
thats such a good quote.
If you're a hammer, everything hurts, but you did hit that point on the head
Ik this is a Mark Twain quote but i think I heard it in the movie Arrival
tony butcher aka a police and a preschooler. Why would one even want to arrest a small child
+Aaliyah Archblanket _"Why would one even want to arrest a small child"_
To meet Quotas?
We just got an SRO in my school. I always feel afraid around authority figures. They aren't here to protect us.
Emo Hajime i thought i was alone.
what is an SRO ?
TheAnonymmynona
Watch the video
how fast one can forget but thanks
TheAnonymmynona SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER.
you got to keep those preschooler's from stealing your carrots
preschoolers*
Somebody stole my cup of Mandarin oranges yesterday at lunch
It's a real problem
too late for me, this system of ours already done screwed me! got kicked out on the 1st day of school for defending my self against getting jumped at lunch but since they where in sports & really good at it & I was just you're average B student I got expelled & they got a pat on the shoulder saying good job!! long story short I got a job & NEVER went back, still a Freshman till this day & I'm in my 20's.....
get your equivalency
+Biter Stephens yeah, I got it last school year.. but I can't really do anything with it!
you could go to community college or trade school
Dude, you lost. You let them push you out of school and end up in a dead-end job. Ending up where you are now is just showing those bullies that they've won. They've kept you down in school, and now they've kept you down in the real world. Get yourself a GED and find a way to get into college. Prove to them that you're the type of person that get back up! It's never too late. I'm 24 and just starting college, you can definitely get your GED before 24 and start college at an age before I am!
wavey61 A lot of good an education does you today. All it does is make you over-qualified for the crap job you're gonna get. That crap job will likely become automated in at least the next decade. You can try to look for a career that won't be automated to soon. But, it's likely that all positions for those careers are going to be in low to no demand. You're probably better off not having to pay off student loans and hope for the best to come
Shocking to know that there can be police in schools
Are you not from the U.S.? This is normal to us.
+Ron R Do you know what else used to be normal? Sacrificing people for the gods.
J-Star-Roar I think there are people around the world who still do that.
Ron R Probably, and it's normal to them.
It's good because those schools don't get shot up. Our SRO sis super friendly and everyone talks with them and tells them their problems.
If we don't funnel students into jails, where are we suppose to get new criminals? Am I the only one that cares about for profit prison systems? Come on people, think.
+pointlessfailure The prison system doesn't make a profit lol. The inmates don't pay rent; taxpayers do.
+Suedocode there are actually some for - profit prisons in the US. it's awful, really. and, I think she was being sarcastic :)
+pointlessfailure It will all make sense to you when you learn the members of the school board are funded by the same lobbyists who push for "tough on crime" legislation.
+Suedocode And the tax money goes to the prisons. The owners of the prisons spend that money on lobbyists in your senate. The senate passes more criminal laws and now there are more convicted persons. More prisoners, more tax money. More lobbying, tougher criminal laws. Rinse repeat, rinse repeat. Oh and don't forget that national debt. You want to make an honest living so you can escape this cycle? Good luck.
+pointlessfailure omg this actually made me laugh
from a kid who has been expelled and suspended many times and been through Juvenile Hall many times I really think it had to do allot with being from a broken home when my Mom had to work all the time and I'm suppose to raise myself it really sent me down a destructive path. being in juvie for a long time made me realize that the path I was taking was going to end up spending the rest of my life in jail. so once I turned 18 I made a pact to myself that here is my 2nd chance and if I didn't wanted to spend 16 hours in a jail cell for the rest of my life I needed to change. since being 18 I have made big efforts to distances myself from my past and to really appreciate my freedom. what i think needs to happen to help kids that are going down that path they need guidance and if the government wants to help, they need more programs to keep these kids busy. it's hard to put so much on the government to fix this but it could be spun that it's black kids but I'm not black and when I see it, it has to do more with these kids coming from broken homes. I know the government can't fix broken homes but instead of just preparing for these kids to eventually end up in the penitentiary to try a different approach and try to help the kids. not all the kids are able to figure on their own
Rooting for you, Keep going!!
Your comment deserves way more likes. Congrats on figuring it out early, dude.
Broken home or violent dad, poverty. Those are tough hills for any kid. I know a bunch who didn't make it. Hope you're still doing well.
My school does out of school suspension if you’re late to class more than 6 times. “You were late to class so we’re gonna make you miss school!”
Holy hell I had no idea that preschool suspension was a thing. That's literally not allowing a 4 year old to learn the alphabet because they did something wrong that they may not have even known was wrong. They're learning about the world. They're only about 3 or 4. Let them be.
The real question is why is suspension even a punishment? Its a gift to kids who hate school.
America: "One nation under God"
God: *Commands restorative justice and loving thy enemy*
America: Ya'll hear somethin'?
loving thy enemy only refers to people who are similar to them. doesn't include nonchristian or homosexuals
@@barnacles1352 That's complete nonsense. If that was the case, than the Gospel would be an exclusive legalistic club and Jesus would have rejected the sinners in His ministry. Claiming that loving thy enemy has an * is fundamentally anti-Christian. Jesus literally said "I did not come to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance."
@@gabetalks9275 exactly if that's what God meant He would have said that
u have cops in school??
literally have batons, guns, tasers, and handcuffs for 100% school shooting rate because of black kids existing at the school apparently.
Most American schools don't have police officers.
it's ok to shoot a kid
Yes ( I’m in IL )
Government took responsibility for schooling and failed.
deadeaded Can you provide a few examples?
+BigEvan96 belgium over here, we don't have police controlling in school everyday, one 1once in few year for drugs, but they will not control a school the whole day, race here is not so bad in the us, if you done something bad, you get punished and you know how? stay after school write so many pages and the worse of all, stay home and write so many paged, if that doesn't work, can't come back for x years, but usa and his gun rights and racial problems, i don't understand how this country is so safe, i think it would be better for usa to stay away from problems of other countries and actually deal with their own first, even poor countries doesn't has this problem
+BigEvan96 Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Iceland... Here in Communist Europe, I think it's pretty much every country, and I'm pretty sure most of the countries have a "school-to-prison pipeline" going on. I'm no expert on this, but one difference I think I'm seeing is the US has a lot of focus on puhishment (both in the prison system, but apparently also in the school system, as this video shows), whereas much of EU is focused on rehabilitation. Maybe that has something to do with it, although the full picture is undoubtedly more complex.
The sizes of those countries compared to America are really small.
+BigEvan96 Sure, but that shouldn't necessarily result in such drastically different results. And it still means that governments CAN do a good (relatively) job. Just blaming the government is, in my mind, both (mostly) wrong, but also the easy way out. I say "mostly" in parenthesis because certainly the government is part of the problem - especially if it's a bad government, or if it has implemented bad policies. And I say that it's an easy way out because I think the US as a society should have a lengthy and nuanced discussion on this, rather than just saying it's "the government!" Most problems like this are complex and requires complex solutions.
I’ve seen this too many times, teachers will just call the cops the second any kid even puts a toe out of line, especially if the kid is black
Yeah the moment schools give teachers the power to call an SRO, they always end up using it, and \its really common for the teacher's racism to come into play there.
I have never heard that term in my country. I've never seen a child that small be arrested by the police, it would NEVER happen here
See? Tolerance always leads to better outcome.
Max Đỗ I mean Sweden is the rape capital of the world due to there "tolerance"
I'm white and I go to a school that is 5% white people. Im bullied because I am white.
Tolerance is a two way street.
No... This is the result of racism not tolerance
paunchy beast We're talking about the USA not Sweden.
paunchy beast
Rape capital of the world?
On what drugs are you on!?
Wait what? American's have officers at school? Jesus I didn't know it is THAT BAD...
Only in high schools. My school has around 3,000 kids and only 2 police that get involved when you're truant or caught with drugs
Only in high schools. My school has around 3,000 kids and only 2 police that get involved when you're truant or caught with drugs
+Anthony Delara And they give tickets if you get in a fight. I don't really see why that's unreasonable.
+Anthony Delara And they give tickets if you get in a fight. I don't really see why that's unreasonable.
+Anthony Delara And they give tickets if you get in a fight. I don't really see why that's unreasonable.
Would you guys ever consider putting your sources in the description?
+2727BROOKLYN They link to an article on their website this video is based on which most assuredly has the sources you want.
+2727BROOKLYN They have 3 articles in the description and I'm guessing those written articles have the links to the sources.
+2727BROOKLYN are you fucking blind
I thought the same, I like this channel but it's sad when they make claims with no support... Take a look at 1.33, she actually speaks lower and says "accordingly with one study"
Eduardo Sánchez --- Then prove it's not true. Otherwise, you should shut up. Everytime a rightwing-loony like you says something outrageous, the left is expected to disprove them, often obliging. Now it's your turn
take a shot every time the word "Black" is uttered
Kids in Preschool get suspended? WHAT?
For everyone asking... Yes America has had cops in it schools since my entire years in K-12 lol. They almost always have 2 officers. Probably started around 9/11
Bullshit. My last school had more than 10
well my school wasn't very big. in high school we probably had 6? but theyd always come in at random times in their patrol cars
Police have been in schools since the 80s eighties and parked outside them prior to that..to prevent robbery and after school altercations.
as someone who has been wrongly suspended, i can say that the talking it out thing sounds great. i would love to talk to the person that falsely accused me of things because now i'm too scared to even walk near her.
thanks school systems for never failing to let me down.
the way vox explains things makes the world seem like a lovable place
Police in schools??? Really? America really is a weird country
Yeah I had a police officer in school its not to bad only when they bring them in to situations that are not Necessary for police then it gets bad
It really isn't weird when you think about it. When there was a police officer at my high school, I felt more safe than uncomfortable. If something were to happen where a police officer were to be needed, there would be one already there to help. Better than some school faculty that is only there to get paid that doesn't give nearly enough of a shit to help the students and risk themselves.
yeah our police were cool most of the time but theres times where the restrain students violently because they were arguing they dont know how to treat students they just know how to treat criminals of course not all are bad after the last cop was fire for grabbing a student by their neck a much better came along but they even still has some issues when its right to do something
+RatedNovice
The fact that you need a police officer to feel more comfortable is disturbing?
Why are there so many fights in american schools?
Aditya Ravishankar Isn't that what police are for? To make people feel safe and secure even if there is no danger? Fights rarely occur in our schools, but that doesn't change the fact that the police officers make me feel safe.
In Canada a police came to our school and asked students a question I got it right and he gave me $5.
Having police in school sounds so ridiculous to me as someone from Europe.
Yeah, to be honest we don't need them in schools, it just gives teachers power that they use every single time something goes wrong instead of using de-escalation or being lenient.
Restorative justice is literally taught in nursery (pre-school) in th UK. I find it super crazy to think of a world were it doesnt exist.
+Flubberg464 Do they do that with violent students? If someone punches me in the face because I took their seat I would have zero interest in having a sit down conversation with them lol
@@calebpaddack7450 Yeah but you would not be the person talking to them.
suspension has got to be one of the least well thought out systems i've ever heard of
I had 4 retired police officers in my high school because my high school was so big. Nothing ever crazy happened, but if something was going on, they would get the situation under control without any grabs or taking someone down.
One note that wasn't mentioned is the SRO (school resource officers) need to justify their position and their cost. Arrest show his effectiveness and tickets issued to parents results in offsetting the SRO cost.
My school deadass has a cop that just stands there all day and the only thing he’s ever actually done is tackle a kid half his size to the floor for running with another kid down the hallway 💀
I know of a teacher who's researching about restorative justice. It's a very promising venue that encourages conflict resolution over simply a dissolution of relations by punishment.
While this video does bring up some valid points, there is no mention if a major root cause here: Educators. Teachers and administrators have been underpaid for years, leading to a shortage of such staff. This has lead to people working those jobs that probably should not be teachers. My dad is a schoolteacher, I’ve watched firsthand how the education world has changed. Great try Vox, but you aren’t telling the whole story here
So if a student ditches to be absent at school they get suspended only to miss more school?
we have a school cop in our middle school,he's not a bad guy. He tells us that he is there to be another trusted adult.
sad that all we can do is watch videos about it and make a comment :(
We can home school.
What does "talking back" mean in practise ?
The things that come close from my german perspective wolde be
inslutig people
refuse to participate
disrupting the class by screaming etc
And to get supended someone would have to either do them regularly or realy extreme
questioning authority. when students "talk back," it can be b/c the teacher dissed them first
Basically anything you say that the teacher (or other authority figure) doesn’t like. Doesn’t particularly matter what exactly it is you said.
I was suspended in elementary school over 100 times because I was being bullied. The principal told my dad that they couldn't do anything to all the other students because there were a bunch of them but only 1 of me. They treated me like garbage all through middlschool and I was beaten by a kid named Marquez at least once a week. I got real mean and strong in highschool and started ending up in juvie which caused me to flunk out completely in the junior year due to lack of credit. I tried the best I could given my circumstances. These days I'm so poor that I can't afford internet and can barely make the power and rent. I'm not a bad guy though, I'm just hurt and trying my best
Wait, so some bad kids grow up to be bad adults?
What can you even suspend a preschooler for ?
"at least according to one study" literally only one study
Isaac Adams And yours?
My friend is black and when he does something not to bad he gets treated like it was something he would get suspended for. But when someone else does something worse in front of a teacher. Nothing happens
****My testimony ****
I can relate, in my junior year of High School never got suspended in my life. Beginning of class I am talking to my Hispanic friend Diana random girl talk about boys. The teacher looked at her and me and said: "what did you say?" Did you call me fat? I was stunned because it was such immature and irreverent question AND the fact I did not! But if I did, was it necessary to suspend me over what you thought you heard from six-feet away even when all my classmates and Diana were backing my story??? So, afterward, I thought nothing of it she continued class. I went on to open my science book and continue following alone in class. She showed no signs that this was a continued problem. And the discussion was over. Only the next day to come to class get sent to the office because I was being suspended!!! Yeah, we are really going to compete with Asia on Science and Math by constantly kicking our kids out for talking!!!
America would be well rid of institutional racism if finally addressed, but demagogues across the region, it seems to me, could use such action as "proof" that America just wants to orchestrate the division for control.
Blacks need to get on lawsuits with them using race to provide more policing in public schools that have more Blacks??? But we are quick to get on Asians who dominate the college and a few put aside for Mexican or blacks students who make the cut??? Blacks should also focus on the low funding in Black/Native/Mexican schools that provide less hope for those who need to get into college.
If we are going to address Affirmative Action for the 8% of Asian in America then we need to address underfunding for the success of poor Whites, Native, Mexican, Blacks, and poor Asians who are underprepared by the time they get into college.
Schools with a need to have an officer on campus have more arrests than those who don't? Amazing.
I like the "talk it out method" because it works with trusted individuals and builds self confidence. The mere appearance of police at a school fosters children who believe that adults HATE children and want to make their lives difficult... as adults this translates to everybody. The best policy is to have no police at schools, because terrorism is not something that can be prevented- it can only be midigated after the fact. But perhaps the sad truth is that in urbanized areas the police are feared by the people, not their friends. I bet a little bit of cleaning up on all sides is the best solution, because in reality we are all to blame and need to work together to make children build self confidence. Hmm, what did I start with?
I came for an explanation of the school-to-prison pipeline, this video took a LONG time to get to the point, i feel like half of the video should be a separate, more in-depth one.
0:59 "Schools with SROs have 5 times as many arrests for disorderly conduct than schools without SROs" maybe because they have an officer witnessing the event, ensuring a higher chance of arrest of perpetrators?
no1reallycaresabout2
Perpetrators of what, bringing their pudding cup to class?
@@thejay8963 Well, consider things students do to each other. This includes sexual misconduct, stealing, harassment, battery, and more. You are a liar to not see at least one of these during a middle-high school year.
its not even 5x look at the numbers.
@@splingusbugs stealing, harassment? Lol, stealing from the vending machines or saying mean things
What a simple way to resolve the issues a teacher and singular stundent may have. I child can easily speak their mind when given the floor and acknowledgement... children are the most important beings within our society and people dont see that enough. It starts with our children, literally... its not a cliche, its real life.
Restorative justice has worked at my old high school. I helped mentor my fellow classmates and we had a record number of graduates this past school year!
A kid ditched so the principal gave him a suspension which was stupid since he didn't want to go to school in the first place
My school has something called in house suspension
Back then, instead of sending you home where you might get in even more trouble for your conduct, you get sent to the nearby middle school in a room with other suspended people, you're sent work and watched the whole time
It seems to be working, cause there's a lot less fights in my school since this was implemented, which was the number one reason kids were suspended
This is what my school in the UK has been doing for a long time now. In the 80s-00s it was one of the worst schools, in terms of behaviour, in the entire county. But a new headteacher came in and introduced and new punishment system like the one described here and the behaviour AND grades have dramatically improved in the last 10 years. Now I'm proud to be attending that school and am thankful that it's a safe environment to learn in.
There are two things we really need to think about. Our criminal justice system, and our police training. Many times, it's not whether the officer was trigger happy or just violent, but they were poorly trained and is trapped in a department with little budget.
I'm in Quebec and we had a police officer in our primary classroom once. She was invited and she taught us we needed to wear a helmet while using a bicycle.
they dont let kids act like kids that why depression is so high
"The land of the free" is the definition of irony
I'm an American living in the Pacific Northwest, and we have one or sometimes two police officers at our school (our school is only like 2% black). I don't know why, since the worst thing that's happened to our school was when a guy slapped another dude (he got one day suspension) and when another guy (jokingly) whipped his belt at some sixth graders (two days suspension).
Those suspensions are wild, but hey Pacific Northwest gang
The fact that America even has police officers in schools is insane.
I'm not even from America, but this is such a HUGE problem when you look at it... Americans should be disgraced by the public image it gives it's country In the wider world... it's not right to criminalise young people for "talking back " because even if they are wrong.. they are there to learn, not to be crippled and punished by an arrest record that prevents them from any other field or way of life other than crime....
+Levine Levine true in some sense yes, but you have to look at the bigger picture too. the reason for police in schools in America is to add security in the case of students bringing widely available firearms to school and being selfish evil f...ools and killing people/themselves.... the main problem which is also mentioned in the video is the handoff of responsibility that is made by the school system to the police... both the police and school system have this grey area of handoff in which the schools can get rid of the problem instantly... the police deal with a certain threshold too.. ie "the criminal " so when presented with a young offender they would assume that they are criminals.This ultimately causes the problem of school to prison line
Being a student constitutionally is supposed to be volentary
That's upsetting but sadly not surprising. Prisons replaced salvery too. I watched a video Bailey Sarian did on Angola and it's history is very interesting!
Really tho,
Immigration replaced slavery.
People want cheap labor and are in favor of immigrants.
The things you’re talking about work only in theory nine practice all it does is encourage schools not to suspend bad kids like the school IT chat, which overwhelms teachers and force of students who want to learn on the back burner because we have to deal with bad student who won’t get expelled, and that causes teachers to leave
dude i go to a super white school and they have cops
I go to a black and white school and they have private security
my school is equal parts black, white, and latino. We don't have any actual security but maybe that's just cause we're so rural
Guess your super white school didn't teach you what "statistically more likely" means.
I live in Maine everyone in my school is white bread
Ronan Charles same
im not really sure what i got out of this bc there were just too many numbers to comprehend but i got intense nostalgia at that puppy place book cuz i used to love those
When a video consistently uses the phrase “at least one study...” without actually naming its sources, there’s a real problem. One study has literally no bearing on anything.
One study is better than no study, which up until now is what these school administrators had to go off of. Skepticism is always warranted, but to totally dismiss any piece of evidence requires that evidence either failing a preponderance test of credibility or being supplanted by a better piece of evidence. In this case, no alternative study exists, and all anecdotal evidence is inherently less credible than a properly conducted study, so what we have left is a preponderance test (preponderance meaning 'of greater weight'). In order to dismiss this study as having "literally no bearing on anything", it must be proven that the weight of circumstances bolstering the credibility of that study is outweighed by factors that make it non-credible.
The first element I like to look for when assessing evidence is relevance: do the findings of a study have any bearing on the validity of an argumentative claim? The thing is, while Vox only cites individual studies for many of their claims, they are typically citing a unique study for each claim. The claim that SRO's increase the likelihood of students being arrested is based on an analysis by the Justice Policy Institute, while their suspension trend data comes from a study conducted by the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights. To try and keep things quick, I'll only focus on the JPI study. Is this study relevant to bolster Vox's argument that disciplinary policies lead to more arrests? Yes. Relevance by itself does not mean something is credible, but it's a good first step (if evidence is irrelevant it really doesn't matter whether or not its credible).
Next, I want look at the mechanics of the study specifically for indications of errors. This study was published in a peer-reviewed journal (Journal of Criminal Justice), had a large sample size of 28 schools, and looked at an entire year's worth of data. Further, the data they relied on was publicly available, and kept in accordance with the standards of criminal legal proceedings. All of this provides significant weight to the credibility of the source of the study's materials, and also preemptively mitigates any potential bias on the part of the study's authors. Because the data is public and was peer reviewed, it is difficult to claim the authors are lying or misrepresenting the numbers.
Finally, let's talk about factors that could hurt this study's credibility. While the sample size is certainly large, the U.S. has thousands of schools. 28 should be enough to provide a general, representative picture, but there is grounds for reconsideration if a more representative study is offered. Continuing on the theme of applicability, this study is almost 10 years old, and may not accurately portray modern SRO behaviors or practices. Further, while it would be difficult to claim the authors substantially misrepresented or twisted data, it is not impossible.
Now lets assess. In preponderance tests, I like to visualize a scale, with each side representing positive factors and negative factors. On the positive side, we have a lot. Most of the available information suggests this study was conducted to a sufficient degree of rigor as to survive academic scrutiny while offering a relevant and representative perspective of a topic. On the negative, there is the potential for a prima facie challenge on the basis of whether or not the age of this study makes it irrelevant, but I see no significant evidence to suggest it would, nor do any other studies contradict this one's findings. Given the heavy weight to the affirmative, I do not believe sufficient facts exist to say that this source has "literally no bearing on anything".
your lack of critical thinking skills is absolutely hilarious, its like you need someone else to think for you.
What can a preschooler do to get suspended? Wake up early from his nap?
Maybe juvenile crime rates are dropping because of the increasing out-of-school suspensions???
bubblybangtan before this policy is implemented (~16 century to 1999)America only had 2 highly devastating school attacks (I think)one in 1770s when a American spy murdered 7 British recruits in a military school and columbine,after the policy,there is a major school attack every 3 months.
Fantastic reporting as always. Thanks Vox!
not sure if sarcastic or serious
***** Serious :)
special jester By your definition. Forgive me if I don't give your word much credence.
Right...I wouldn't count on this as a reliable news source. It's like buzzfeed or tyt, trying to spread leftist/libtard views and lying to the general public about statistics that aren't true.
As a middle schooler, I can tell you that we would probably hate "restorative justice" more because at suspension and stuff would give you a badboy reputation so only around half the school would avoid you. Restorative Justice would just embarass you, so we would be less likely to do a crime to avoid it.
After 5 years...
_It still didn't change_
This is why you shouldnt go to school in USA
Let's not leave out the 'church to prison pipeline', because guess how some White church members are talking about some Black church members to officers.
my school cares more about the size of letters on my shirt than the quality of my education
Bruh, the correlation is not caused by students being suspended causing them to be more likely to go to jail. It is that bad kids are more likely to grow into bad adults.
These statiosist are playing games with our cities and our lives. They know nothing about the subject they went to school for. 😂
Why are they bad kids huh?
Novel idea: don't treat your students like criminals and maybe they won't end up as one
according to one study means there is not enough research to back your assertion.
Operator K
Then give some pushback! Give us studies supporting your position!
And I think they meant one of many studies.
The one where the police officer threw the chair and dragged the student out of their chair is actually considered assault. I want to respect police officers, but that one video made it pretty hard for me to respect them.
This made me tear up. I am Middle Eastern and was clumped into the Hispanic stereotype in my school years. I grew up in Arizona which is predominantly white and Hispanic (20 years ago; it is a little more diverse now). As an adult, I now recognize how I was mistreated like many of these African American students shown in this video. The maltreatment is a direct result of prejudice based on skin color. I hope that the experiment with counseling instead of suspension is practiced widespread when my children start school. I was suspended 5 times by the time I graduated high school and I really wasn't that bad. No kid should be taken down by an officer while sitting in a classroom desk...despicable and unjust use of power.
Time for non-Americans in the comment section to get uppity and judge the U.S based on their own country's norms and assume we're the only country with any problems ever!
My favorite time of year!
This seems like such an American issue
TIL that having police in my school is considered weird by the rest of the world.
wth was that clip of them arresting that little child
my friend got in school suspension for walking out the wrong door bc she was running late for class and it was the faster route. at my school if someone beats you up and you don't even hit back, you both get ISS
I was taken away by a police officer at my middle school for threatening another student and then I was suspended. It was the most degrading and humiliating experience of my life. I didn't even really threaten her. My words were taken out of context and they actually knew that and so they gave me a 3 day suspension instead of the standard week long suspension. But it also could have been because I was white. I bet if a black person were in my position at the time, they would have provably received a worse punishment. Either way, they had to file a police report on me, and it was the most awful thing to go through, especially since I was still a kid, only 12. Having to be written up, take a threat assessment test, to see if you are actually a dangerous person, and having a police report on you when you are only kid makes you feel like a criminal.
"Talking back" shouldn't even be against the rules.
There is an out dated adage "Spare the rod and spoil the child." This may have had some value back 6000 years ago in Jewish culture but we have since had enlightenment from other great teachers who advocated love and forgiveness. Maybe some of the US citizens could help me remember who that was. Could it be the same Jesus of Nazareth who they claim to follow? If you want good behaviour from children, the formula is simple: 90% praise for the qualities you desire when you describe and see them from the children and no more that 10% admonishment for those undesirable qualities they may exhibit. This means that the adults first have to know the virtues they want to instil in children and be able to describe them to the children FIRST and exhibit those virtues themselves and then actively look for those virtues to praise in the children.
Robert Evans
I hope you aren't as naive as you sound. That might work fine in a school with kids from good families, but try this method in an inner-city school and they will eat you alive.
This sounds like an Onion article...