I dont even play this game but your commentary and the fact you are clearly having a grand old time playing this game is just so refreshing and wholesome. Love your videos :)
@Kakkemans It's a joke. You're forced to use the Golden Mushroom until it runs out, it doesn't protect you, and the shock will delete your bullet bill. The joke being that it always comes at the worst time for you.
If you ever mention bagging around shortcat you will enter a 5 minute unskippable cutscene where shortcat lectures you about literally every single intricacy about bagging
Some people in the comments say bagging is superior they think its cheating but actually frontrunning on ceese land bagging is better because on some tracks its just a more viable strategy okay the shock right here is a bullet extension acceleration is not the best stat it is mini turbo and speed okay your speed is for comeback on frontrunning okay lets do some baggi
@@MelTheMannHonestly I think if your a new player you could try bagging alot more often to get comebacks this will help your anger issues and your wallet cause you know you'll break your switch and the realization hits oh no
On one hand, yeah, bagging requires knowing how far back you can get away with being and how to take shortcuts and time shit, and the comebacks are nice. On the other, it really is hard to resist being all, “Come on! It’s a RACE! A RACE! Have you ever heard of ‘em?!”
It's more than just a race, it's a death race! 😂 That aside, bagging and frontrunning are just names, in the end the point is you gotta trade off placement for item rolls sometimes. Well, I agree it looks better if people are actually moving though, good that now bagging is nerfed in a way that discourages just waiting. 😆
Yeah that's why I am in favor of nerfing bagging. I only ever argue against people who claim something about the luck/skill involved in bagging, because that is objective. If you dislike bagging because you just don't like it, that's completely fair!
When I saw everyone over-reacting over the bagging nerf I though I was the one going insane. It was pretty oubvious that they were nerfing stopping at item boxes, not bagging as a whole. Like, just go slowly and stay in the back instead of stopping/going backwards lol
Thank you!! Yeah i think nintendo didn't really try to nerf bagging much, they just tried to stop people from having a party at the first item set instead of driving forward
What gave bagging a bad look was when no one was moving forward at first item set and nintendo removed exactly that. They know how to balance their game it seems...
200k subscribers 🎉 I started watching you at around 30 - 40k subs, and now you have 200k! I love your videos, your commentary is awesome and your tutorials are awesome!
I think the only bad thing about this change is getting used to not using all three triple mushrooms into item boxes you just used since you'll probably end up pulling a green or something in its place.
I do find it interesting that this bagging nerf decreases the average number of shocks per race on the notorious bagging tracks cuz less good items get cycled.
I kinda found another bullet extension. On N64 Choco Mountain, use your Bullet right after the last item set. I found this on accident. (Totally not with the help of custom items, i would never!😅)
Great tip! You can actually do it earlier on 150cc (i forgot exactly how much earlier, but it's near the 2 boulders) since the extension zone is MASSIVE. Basically there is a huge area before and after the last item set where using the bullet will still give you the full extension
@@Shortcat321 I know. But when I'm using the Bullet near the rocks it won't stop before the first item set, while if you use your Bullet right after the last item set, it will go all the way until the straight path into the tunnel.
There's also 2 i found accidentaly, on dolphin shoals and sky garden. For dolphin shoals use it at the finish line and it will go for 12 seconds, really good. And for sky garden, use it at the first item box set, it's not that good, but at least it goes longer than a normal bullet
My favorite part has to be how he stays in an item set and spams triple mushroom only to get a green shell or a banana but he still keeps the commentary going
DK mountain has so few mushroom spots you have to use the mushroom whenever there is a large turn or a straight. Which might make it good but not in a regular sense because you are always going to be either be doing shortcuts or boosting. There is 0 down time if you use this method
What if you do the stopping and reversing way before the item set so that by the time you reach the item set, you’re not technically stopped or reversed, you’re just going while being behind so you’ll get good items?🤔
Yeah, there seems to be a set distance the game counts as stopping at an item set, for example at cheese land you reverse and hang around the finish line instead of going straight to the item boxes. You wait for someone to front run then you can grab two boxes
This is essentially the form bagging is going to have to take on after the update. The major nerf comes from the fact that you can’t sit on item boxes which used to allow you to roll up to 4+ powerful items in a single set and have a greater chance of pulling invincibility items or shocks. It’s just a matter of lowering the density of good items that a bagger can roll in a race
So for the boomerang throws at 13:58... you threw it once to get rid of a red shell behind you, and then you threw it a second time at the end of the race. But it never returned. And that has happened to me. Twice. I have no idea why it happens and I can't replicate it, because of this I'm certain it's a new bug.
7:52 Peachette is adorable so I can see her becoming a fan favorite plus her being the most viable character based on her stats. Also Congrats on 200K!
that point about frontrunning on cheeseland is brilliant! getting first off a frontrun on cheeseland is just as lucky as getting a first off bagging on (for example) waluigi pinball, but understanding that nuance requires experience that noobs just don't have yet. very well said shortcat.
This is a really good video, thank you for doing this. I think your stance on bagging has been pretty clear from your videos, so I assume people got the wrong idea from your shorts. I was anti-bagging at the start too, but after actually trying it out as you suggested, I've realized that it's so essential for making comebacks, or just securing an early lead. I'm still not sure how effective this nerf will turn out to be, but it's a good change nonetheless. Looking forward to the future of this game!
The nerf to baggin is more noticeable when you start reversing immediately at the start of a race until you hit item boxes. I used to do that when playing with family, so I noticed the change right away with the update. And I never did this for bagging itself, I actually never knew or thought about it being a thing. I just did it for an extra challenge when playing locally with friends or family since we always played with CPU difficulty on Easy or Normal.
Your commentary gives a lot of life to the gameplay. It's clear that you enjoy this game way too much, just like the rest of us. On that note, a suggestion for a "playing with max (stat)" video: Traction. Baby Peach/Baby Daisy with Tanuki Kart, Monster Tyres and either Flower or Cloud Glider is honesty kind of great on tracks like Neo Bowser City and GBA Ice Land. You could even swap in GLA Tyres for the best combined Handling/Traction spread in the game.
i was just looking for a competitive mk8d guide but now i’m obsessed with watching shortcat videos lol. i only really keep up with competitive smash ultimate but it’s very fascinating to watch a pro mario kart player and learning more about the meta and strategies. love the commentary on these videos, keep it up
So couple questions here on bagging I feel like the video didn't cover. Not sure if you felt it was worth it or not or if it's just too technically complicated but here goes: 1) What happens if you get hit in font of an item box you didn't slow down for. Do you still get hit with the nerf? What about if you get nailed on top of the item boxes and grab 2 while in the middle of a recovery? 2) Does bagging still work as it used to if you hit a different or 2 different item boxes after you slow down and speed burst through the item set? Do the odds get better if you aim for different boxes after you have slowed down or reversed if you hit different boxes? Or it is just the same odds all around? 3) Do these new nerfs only work for lower place values? Or could you abuse this new system in first place to potentially bag to avoid a coin?
Congratulations on 200k!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Rooting for your channel's growth!! 📈 Always looking forward to your videos ❤ At this point, a video for how to be a pro bagger is coming soon isn't it 😂 though that'd probably come after a tracks guide compilation 😆
As someone who has been waiting for an update like this for a long time, I can really appreciate the fact that despite the nerf, bagging is still a viable strategy. I much prefer it in this state.
I remember when i first tried bagging, i SUCKED and was very fixed on running, but ur vids helped me find out HOW to bag. Thx Shortcat, love ur vids!!!!
Even if the bagging is nerfed you just have to plan your bagging location better to avoid running into the trigger for the worst item pull. So all this update solves is those problem tracks where everyone is competing for last place right as the race starts which is an awful experience.
Shortcat, You should try this combo: Morton on the Varmint Bike with Roller Wheels and Cloud Parachute. It's surprisingly good and pretty fun to play with.
i like this change tbh. im a frontrunner at heart and hate the idea of bagging (it is a race after all). old bagging just felt lame, im trying my hardest, using ideal racing lines, etc., and someone can beat me because they camped the first item spawn for 30 seconds to get a bullet and a shock? doesnt feel right. now, bagging feels less like cheese and more like a valid strategy. instead of just rolling for OP items, you stick to the back of the pack as sort of a gamble that you'll be able to hit the right shortcuts with the items you get to make a comeback, while dodging items along the way.
From my own testings and findings: If you stop before the first item set on most bagging tracks and let the distance to players grow for 5-8sec. try to grab two different item boxes and don't back into them! Hover around 12-9th place chaining your items till the middle of lap two on most bagging tracks (so far for me bagging has worked out best on mario circuit 3, royal raceway, yohsi valley and sky garden I uploaded a short vid on my channel earlier I just stitched raw clips together and got amazing luck to say the least!) (my avarage lobby vr is usually anywhere from 8-11k) Edit: CONGRATULATIONS FOR 200K! Amazing to see you smash these milestones man! Just keep em videos coming! 😁
Hi shortcat! Did you know that you are my favorite youtube right now! I love watching your videos every night :) One thing I feel like you never really explained is how you're so good at motion glidering! You always have it on online so you don't have to pause and switch during matches but how do you do this, are your hands just very still!? or, you did say that you use a n64 controller and I assume that may not have motion controls, so then are you using the d-pad and a claw grip? Thanks for the video! -Nikita
Here's an idea to nerf bagging, just make all the items disappear once you passed them (it disappears for you and not the others behind the item boxes) and then bring them back next lap
Someone suggested to me on my last comment to play on regionals to have more variety of players with my low 1300 rank. What I learned is strategy and execution matters a lot. For example, I got destroyed on lap 1 in Cheese Land, then got good itens on lap 2, but saved a star and 3 mushrooms for lap 3. I got first because I did all the cheese land shortcut and beat 30k players With my first position at the start of the next race, I decided to front run. I got third because the 30k players are more skilled to make better lines and take more riskier shortcut. Even being on a good bagging track, the best option to me was maintaining my 3rd place. Concluding, what happens to make front running and bagging important is how annoying the middle pack is. I know some players who hate mario kart 8 because "it's too item based" , but I think what they really wanted to say is that being in the middle pack is the worst feeling ever, and I agree with that. Mario kart 7 and 8 and 8DX(after playing 10 hours, I think 8DX wave 4 onwards is very different from 8 vanilla) are the only games I played online. However, I remember that the middle pack in 7 isn't very annoying, maybe because having less player in a match.
Hi ShortCat ! I love your videos and I have a stupid question to ask you : Is Cat Cruiser the new meta ? Since it has the exact same stats as Teddybuggy except that Cat Cruiser has more invicibility ? Also sorry if I'm English isn't very good, it's not my mothertongue ! Keep up the great content !!
From the wave six patch notes: "Made it so that you can’t acquire strong items when taking an Item Box by stopping or driving in reverse, or taking an Item Box that is in same location multiple times during a race" So basically, you CAN still chain your items, you just have have to grab your items, and do a full 360 loop through the item sets (without stopping), rather than reversing, and you then you have to grab another box you haven't touched yet to chain. This is harder than it was before, and it's not practical in most situations, but it is possible, i tested it out and it worked
200KAT!! Congrats on the milestone!! Been watching your videos since around September and they’re always been a joy to see :3 On bagging though, I was never the best at it, I still thought it was pretty fun, but I think it’s nerf was needed since like you say a lot; it’s pretty bad for the game, namely the online space. I just wish they made the nerf much more detrimental for the strat, as I feel like they definitely could’ve handled the needed nerf much better :P
Best Bagging Tracks (my opinion) 1. Cheese Land 2. Dry Dry Desert 3. Mario Circuit 3 4. Riverside Park 5. GBA Mario Circuit 6. Yoshi's Circuit 7. Snow Land 8. Sunset Wilds 9. Kalmari Desert 10. Mario Kart Stadium
Likely the patch just takes into account how long you've been accelerating before you touched the item block, just don't accelerate at all at the start of the map and then speed into a block instead of waiting for it to spawn at the block. ... Just tested it and it works.
I would have thought it just saves from which item set the last item you got was from and when you get another from the same item set it gimps the item selection.
I understand that it’s a viable strategy and requires skill, but bagging outside of teamed modes (where it’s extremely optimal and how you play teams) has always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s a race. Race! I’m personally all for Nintendo taking real action against bagging
I actually think bagging is in a pretty decent spot right now. Think of how many times you're in 1st and see a blue shell then slam on the brakes to let 2nd place pass. That's the essence of bagging. Getting hit from 3rd to 5th place and saying, "Screw this," and intentionally dropping to 9th is a perfectly valid strategy to me. What I hated was everyone stopping to cycle items until they got bullets, and it seems like that's exactly the aspect that's been nerfed.
I've always hated the "why not just drive the race" argument people make. it's people who don't understand the game telling other people that they are wrong for enjoying something differently "you're not allowed to have fun how you want to, you need to have fun how i want to!"
This doesn't make sense because this applies the other way too, saying bagging should remain superior to racing is telling other players they should bag instead of racing in the racing game. Dumb take.
@@Jar_Jar_Twinks Okay but then how is your comment relevant to nerfing bagging? That doesn't prevent you from doing it anymore than you front running before this, it just won't be as good.
@@Chicky_Lumps because when bagging was nerfed a super common response to people being upset about the nerf was "just drive the race normally" i was just saying i don't like that stance. you don't gotta be so combative dude.
from what i understand about the changes, isn’t it from the same box? would choosing a different box at the same set not achieve the same effect as the old bagging? idk i think i misunderstood something lol
Yeah it applies to the whole item set. However, some item sets don't count as item sets. Moving items each count as their own set, and i believe the first set on donut plains 3 (and any similar item groups where you can hit 2 single item boxes to get 2 items) all count as a separate set for each box
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I dont even play this game but your commentary and the fact you are clearly having a grand old time playing this game is just so refreshing and wholesome. Love your videos :)
Same i never ever had a switch in the 1st place i just randomly fell on a video and kept watching since
@@CyberSKAMSame lmao
I have a switch and this guy helped me SO MICH
Much*
i play mkwii because i dont have a switch
Speaking of bagging, you know a shock is coming when you have a Bullet Bill behind a golden mushroom.
Really?
@Kakkemans It's a joke. You're forced to use the Golden Mushroom until it runs out, it doesn't protect you, and the shock will delete your bullet bill.
The joke being that it always comes at the worst time for you.
I feel this
You know it's terrible when you click the bill but someone shocked 0.1 nanoseconds before you clicked it
Technically true, because it's a pretty good sign that the round is out of bills which means the next bill will be a shock.
If you ever mention bagging around shortcat you will enter a 5 minute unskippable cutscene where shortcat lectures you about literally every single intricacy about bagging
Some people in the comments say bagging is superior they think its cheating but actually frontrunning on ceese land bagging is better because on some tracks its just a more viable strategy okay the shock right here is a bullet extension acceleration is not the best stat it is mini turbo and speed okay your speed is for comeback on frontrunning okay lets do some baggi
@@MelTheMannHonestly I think if your a new player you could try bagging alot more often to get comebacks this will help your anger issues and your wallet cause you know you'll break your switch and the realization hits oh no
@@MelTheMannI’m supposing english isn’t your main language?
On one hand, yeah, bagging requires knowing how far back you can get away with being and how to take shortcuts and time shit, and the comebacks are nice. On the other, it really is hard to resist being all, “Come on! It’s a RACE! A RACE! Have you ever heard of ‘em?!”
It's more than just a race, it's a death race! 😂
That aside, bagging and frontrunning are just names, in the end the point is you gotta trade off placement for item rolls sometimes. Well, I agree it looks better if people are actually moving though, good that now bagging is nerfed in a way that discourages just waiting. 😆
Yeah that's why I am in favor of nerfing bagging. I only ever argue against people who claim something about the luck/skill involved in bagging, because that is objective. If you dislike bagging because you just don't like it, that's completely fair!
Yo, don’t curse.
@@nixgamingchannel2708it’s the internet
@@nixgamingchannel2708the curse word doesn’t make sense so it’s probably a mistarñke
12:25 might be the most insane trick ive ever seen 😂 you literally kicked in to a pool shot and knocked them both off the map
😂
When I saw everyone over-reacting over the bagging nerf I though I was the one going insane. It was pretty oubvious that they were nerfing stopping at item boxes, not bagging as a whole. Like, just go slowly and stay in the back instead of stopping/going backwards lol
Congrats on 200k Shortcat!!! I really really love your videos, and you’re what inspired me to finally give making videos a try too! 😊 so thank you!
I'm more of a fan of this new bagging strategy than sitting on one item set all day. Also, congrats on hitting 200k❤
Thank you!! Yeah i think nintendo didn't really try to nerf bagging much, they just tried to stop people from having a party at the first item set instead of driving forward
@ShroomlessShortcat, at 3:31, InHughman was me. I played against you in this video.
@@Shortcat321having double item is the root of bagging problem, in single item scenario bagging almost non existent
So what they nerfed was not bagging, but item chaining by stopping.
Yes,but the reason we say”they nerfed bagging”is because stopping for items was an essential part of old bagging,but now it is a bad idea
they banned item chaining by stopping, which has the effect of nerfing "bagging"
Bagging also includes staying behind on purpose to get better items without chaining.
What gave bagging a bad look was when no one was moving forward at first item set and nintendo removed exactly that. They know how to balance their game it seems...
1:44 We may not have gotten an official yellowbrick and Shortcat collab but seeing him in shortcat’s lobby is good enough for me!
The two best mario kart RUclipsrs
Love the amount of long form videos we’re getting from this update
Shortcat is biased towards bagging because he is Canadian and they drink milk out of bags
200k subscribers 🎉
I started watching you at around 30 - 40k subs, and now you have 200k! I love your videos, your commentary is awesome and your tutorials are awesome!
I think the only bad thing about this change is getting used to not using all three triple mushrooms into item boxes you just used since you'll probably end up pulling a green or something in its place.
I do find it interesting that this bagging nerf decreases the average number of shocks per race on the notorious bagging tracks cuz less good items get cycled.
I kinda found another bullet extension. On N64 Choco Mountain, use your Bullet right after the last item set. I found this on accident. (Totally not with the help of custom items, i would never!😅)
I forgor to add. This can be used for 150cc and 200cc, but use the bullet on 200cc in between the first and the second rock-falling section.
Great tip! You can actually do it earlier on 150cc (i forgot exactly how much earlier, but it's near the 2 boulders) since the extension zone is MASSIVE. Basically there is a huge area before and after the last item set where using the bullet will still give you the full extension
@@Shortcat321 I know. But when I'm using the Bullet near the rocks it won't stop before the first item set, while if you use your Bullet right after the last item set, it will go all the way until the straight path into the tunnel.
There's also 2 i found accidentaly, on dolphin shoals and sky garden. For dolphin shoals use it at the finish line and it will go for 12 seconds, really good. And for sky garden, use it at the first item box set, it's not that good, but at least it goes longer than a normal bullet
“Whoops i got heated there” that was like the most chill way of being heated only something shortcat could do.
My favorite part has to be how he stays in an item set and spams triple mushroom only to get a green shell or a banana but he still keeps the commentary going
Congrats at 200k subs shortcat u deserve it!
200k! Congrats shortcat. I just recently started watching your stuff I’m really enjoying the live commentary!
DK mountain has so few mushroom spots you have to use the mushroom whenever there is a large turn or a straight. Which might make it good but not in a regular sense because you are always going to be either be doing shortcuts or boosting. There is 0 down time if you use this method
I like how the tone of his voice never changed and he finished with
*sigh* got heated there
😂😂😂 love the content
What if you do the stopping and reversing way before the item set so that by the time you reach the item set, you’re not technically stopped or reversed, you’re just going while being behind so you’ll get good items?🤔
Yeah, that's called being bad at a video game.
Yeah, there seems to be a set distance the game counts as stopping at an item set, for example at cheese land you reverse and hang around the finish line instead of going straight to the item boxes.
You wait for someone to front run then you can grab two boxes
This is essentially the form bagging is going to have to take on after the update. The major nerf comes from the fact that you can’t sit on item boxes which used to allow you to roll up to 4+ powerful items in a single set and have a greater chance of pulling invincibility items or shocks. It’s just a matter of lowering the density of good items that a bagger can roll in a race
@@TheTundraTerrorYep
Maybe Peachette has a smaller hurtbox than the other characters with those stats? Or maybe it's because she's a dlc character who is still top tier?
*hitbox 😂😂😂
@@SweetMelaninnhurtbox is for incoming damage hitbox is for damage dealing.
@answering248 Oh, never heard of that before. I honestly just thought they mistyped. Thanks for educating me
I wish every youtube comment thread was this polite
@@Shortcat321 one thread at a time :)
I love both of your channels. The way you explain things is just so helpful and something that nobody else does.
So for the boomerang throws at 13:58... you threw it once to get rid of a red shell behind you, and then you threw it a second time at the end of the race.
But it never returned.
And that has happened to me. Twice. I have no idea why it happens and I can't replicate it, because of this I'm certain it's a new bug.
got superhorned so it was gone
7:52 Peachette is adorable so I can see her becoming a fan favorite plus her being the most viable character based on her stats. Also Congrats on 200K!
that point about frontrunning on cheeseland is brilliant! getting first off a frontrun on cheeseland is just as lucky as getting a first off bagging on (for example) waluigi pinball, but understanding that nuance requires experience that noobs just don't have yet. very well said shortcat.
This is a really good video, thank you for doing this.
I think your stance on bagging has been pretty clear from your videos, so I assume people got the wrong idea from your shorts. I was anti-bagging at the start too, but after actually trying it out as you suggested, I've realized that it's so essential for making comebacks, or just securing an early lead.
I'm still not sure how effective this nerf will turn out to be, but it's a good change nonetheless. Looking forward to the future of this game!
Shortcat is the only Mario Kart RUclipsr I watch and I’ve been playing for a long time, keep up the good work 🎉
i love ur videos shortcat i like how you speak nonstop even during races and dont get distracted... mk8d god....
Thank you for posting this during my lunch break at school, it honestly really makes my day. Congrats on 200k🎉!
Congrats on 200k subscribers! ❤❤
The nerf to baggin is more noticeable when you start reversing immediately at the start of a race until you hit item boxes.
I used to do that when playing with family, so I noticed the change right away with the update.
And I never did this for bagging itself, I actually never knew or thought about it being a thing.
I just did it for an extra challenge when playing locally with friends or family since we always played with CPU difficulty on Easy or Normal.
Your commentary gives a lot of life to the gameplay. It's clear that you enjoy this game way too much, just like the rest of us.
On that note, a suggestion for a "playing with max (stat)" video: Traction. Baby Peach/Baby Daisy with Tanuki Kart, Monster Tyres and either Flower or Cloud Glider is honesty kind of great on tracks like Neo Bowser City and GBA Ice Land. You could even swap in GLA Tyres for the best combined Handling/Traction spread in the game.
Congrats on 200k subs! You completely deserve it!
baggers are the same type of people to not put the shopping carts back where they belong
Go to @Jperm
He’s the same guy
i was just looking for a competitive mk8d guide but now i’m obsessed with watching shortcat videos lol. i only really keep up with competitive smash ultimate but it’s very fascinating to watch a pro mario kart player and learning more about the meta and strategies. love the commentary on these videos, keep it up
So couple questions here on bagging I feel like the video didn't cover. Not sure if you felt it was worth it or not or if it's just too technically complicated but here goes:
1) What happens if you get hit in font of an item box you didn't slow down for. Do you still get hit with the nerf? What about if you get nailed on top of the item boxes and grab 2 while in the middle of a recovery?
2) Does bagging still work as it used to if you hit a different or 2 different item boxes after you slow down and speed burst through the item set? Do the odds get better if you aim for different boxes after you have slowed down or reversed if you hit different boxes? Or it is just the same odds all around?
3) Do these new nerfs only work for lower place values? Or could you abuse this new system in first place to potentially bag to avoid a coin?
I love bagging in all his ways, every part is beautiful
Congratulations on 200k!!! 🎉🎉🎉 Rooting for your channel's growth!! 📈 Always looking forward to your videos ❤
At this point, a video for how to be a pro bagger is coming soon isn't it 😂 though that'd probably come after a tracks guide compilation 😆
As someone who has been waiting for an update like this for a long time, I can really appreciate the fact that despite the nerf, bagging is still a viable strategy. I much prefer it in this state.
Congrats on 200K 🎉🗣️🙏🏾❤️
These videos have become an unexpected source of comfort for me
I think a chart showing every track, and where it falls on the bagging/frontrunning spectrum would be super cool
Bagging / Bag Word Count:
1st race: 7
2nd race: 9
3rd race: 5
4th race: 3
5th race: 16
6th race: 14
7th race: 6
8th race: 8
9th race: 3
10th race: 5
11th race: 7
12th race: 11
Total throughout entire video : 95
Avg : Once per 17.06 seconds
Yooooo is that yellowbrik at 1:43😂😂 unsuspected collab
I remember when i first tried bagging, i SUCKED and was very fixed on running, but ur vids helped me find out HOW to bag. Thx Shortcat, love ur vids!!!!
Even if the bagging is nerfed you just have to plan your bagging location better to avoid running into the trigger for the worst item pull. So all this update solves is those problem tracks where everyone is competing for last place right as the race starts which is an awful experience.
Wait a minute, I just remebered Nintendo removes videos for copyright infringement. I'm impressed that your videos haven't been taken down yet.
Congrats on 200K! 🥳
9:53 He is playing versus StarVtuber❤❤❤(for the ones who dont know is a very famous spanish speaking vtuber)
Shortcat, You should try this combo: Morton on the Varmint Bike with Roller Wheels and Cloud Parachute. It's surprisingly good and pretty fun to play with.
At 3:33 the peachete stole your star out of your super 8 (I forgot what it is called) can you make a video about this
Just got one of your "Can I win after waiting X seconds" videos recommended. Might need to retry that challenge now that bagging has been nerfed
fuxking banger as usual, your commentary is always so fun i dont get bored
Congrats on 200k subs👍
I have never played a single mario or nintendo game in my life but i love these videos. Keep up the bagging👍👍
Congrats on 200 k! 🎉
CONGRATS ON 200K!!!❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉
20:45 „I am so high right now thanks to the mushroom“
Shortcat, 2023
Short cat defends bagging for 27 minutes and 2 seconds
CONGRATULATIONS ON 200k!!
i like this change tbh. im a frontrunner at heart and hate the idea of bagging (it is a race after all). old bagging just felt lame, im trying my hardest, using ideal racing lines, etc., and someone can beat me because they camped the first item spawn for 30 seconds to get a bullet and a shock? doesnt feel right. now, bagging feels less like cheese and more like a valid strategy. instead of just rolling for OP items, you stick to the back of the pack as sort of a gamble that you'll be able to hit the right shortcuts with the items you get to make a comeback, while dodging items along the way.
If you play SSBU I think content like this would be awesome! A mix of commentary while playing people and shorts with tips and tricks
Congrats on 201k Subs!! 👏 👏
"I should never be getting mushrooms in this spot"
Me who only gets single a very rarely mushrooms when in dead last and not even bagging
200,000 subscribers that is a lot of people congratulations short cat 🎉😊
From my own testings and findings: If you stop before the first item set on most bagging tracks and let the distance to players grow for 5-8sec. try to grab two different item boxes and don't back into them! Hover around 12-9th place chaining your items till the middle of lap two on most bagging tracks (so far for me bagging has worked out best on mario circuit 3, royal raceway, yohsi valley and sky garden I uploaded a short vid on my channel earlier I just stitched raw clips together and got amazing luck to say the least!) (my avarage lobby vr is usually anywhere from 8-11k)
Edit: CONGRATULATIONS FOR 200K! Amazing to see you smash these milestones man! Just keep em videos coming! 😁
Shortcat: "I don't know how to play Piranha Plant Cove.
Also Shortcat: *Gets 2nd*
This dude doesn't miss, every video is so good
Hi shortcat! Did you know that you are my favorite youtube right now! I love watching your videos every night :)
One thing I feel like you never really explained is how you're so good at motion glidering! You always have it on online so you don't have to pause and switch during matches but how do you do this, are your hands just very still!? or, you did say that you use a n64 controller and I assume that may not have motion controls, so then are you using the d-pad and a claw grip?
Thanks for the video!
-Nikita
Congrats on 200k man!
I been watching your channel since wave 5 and I decided to use my siblings switch to play online and I got to 2130 vr in a few days!
Here's an idea to nerf bagging, just make all the items disappear once you passed them (it disappears for you and not the others behind the item boxes) and then bring them back next lap
you claim that bagging is fair, and yet I need a scapegoat for why I lose. checkmate, shortcat
Someone suggested to me on my last comment to play on regionals to have more variety of players with my low 1300 rank. What I learned is strategy and execution matters a lot.
For example, I got destroyed on lap 1 in Cheese Land, then got good itens on lap 2, but saved a star and 3 mushrooms for lap 3. I got first because I did all the cheese land shortcut and beat 30k players
With my first position at the start of the next race, I decided to front run. I got third because the 30k players are more skilled to make better lines and take more riskier shortcut. Even being on a good bagging track, the best option to me was maintaining my 3rd place.
Concluding, what happens to make front running and bagging important is how annoying the middle pack is. I know some players who hate mario kart 8 because "it's too item based" , but I think what they really wanted to say is that being in the middle pack is the worst feeling ever, and I agree with that.
Mario kart 7 and 8 and 8DX(after playing 10 hours, I think 8DX wave 4 onwards is very different from 8 vanilla) are the only games I played online. However, I remember that the middle pack in 7 isn't very annoying, maybe because having less player in a match.
Hi ShortCat !
I love your videos and I have a stupid question to ask you : Is Cat Cruiser the new meta ? Since it has the exact same stats as Teddybuggy except that Cat Cruiser has more invicibility ?
Also sorry if I'm English isn't very good, it's not my mothertongue !
Keep up the great content !!
From the wave six patch notes:
"Made it so that you can’t acquire strong items when taking an Item Box by stopping or driving in reverse, or taking an Item Box that is in same location multiple times during a race"
So basically, you CAN still chain your items, you just have have to grab your items, and do a full 360 loop through the item sets (without stopping), rather than reversing, and you then you have to grab another box you haven't touched yet to chain. This is harder than it was before, and it's not practical in most situations, but it is possible, i tested it out and it worked
3:32 the moment you realized the other racer took your star
200KAT!! Congrats on the milestone!! Been watching your videos since around September and they’re always been a joy to see :3 On bagging though, I was never the best at it, I still thought it was pretty fun, but I think it’s nerf was needed since like you say a lot; it’s pretty bad for the game, namely the online space. I just wish they made the nerf much more detrimental for the strat, as I feel like they definitely could’ve handled the needed nerf much better :P
i never really hear anyone talk about mario kart so in depth. it's kinda off-putting, but in a cool way.
honestly i love front running its just so much more fun to me
also pauline being upside down on the minimap at 25:30 is funny
Probably because that's how the game is meant to be played.
2:05
"funky kong has a boomerang" 😄
"f**king kong has a boomerang" 💀
Best Bagging Tracks (my opinion)
1. Cheese Land
2. Dry Dry Desert
3. Mario Circuit 3
4. Riverside Park
5. GBA Mario Circuit
6. Yoshi's Circuit
7. Snow Land
8. Sunset Wilds
9. Kalmari Desert
10. Mario Kart Stadium
I made an appearance on race 1😁
Yoooooo the GOAT
Likely the patch just takes into account how long you've been accelerating before you touched the item block, just don't accelerate at all at the start of the map and then speed into a block instead of waiting for it to spawn at the block.
... Just tested it and it works.
I would have thought it just saves from which item set the last item you got was from and when you get another from the same item set it gimps the item selection.
Shortcat is a cool guy. I appreciate this greatly.
I think bagging doesnt really work well after the patch, but i think it's still fully possible to play in the back and capitalising with a comeback
I understand that it’s a viable strategy and requires skill, but bagging outside of teamed modes (where it’s extremely optimal and how you play teams) has always rubbed me the wrong way. It’s a race. Race! I’m personally all for Nintendo taking real action against bagging
Video Idea? Maybe now that every single track is out you could make a tier list ranking every track.
I actually think bagging is in a pretty decent spot right now. Think of how many times you're in 1st and see a blue shell then slam on the brakes to let 2nd place pass. That's the essence of bagging. Getting hit from 3rd to 5th place and saying, "Screw this," and intentionally dropping to 9th is a perfectly valid strategy to me.
What I hated was everyone stopping to cycle items until they got bullets, and it seems like that's exactly the aspect that's been nerfed.
I've always hated the "why not just drive the race" argument people make. it's people who don't understand the game telling other people that they are wrong for enjoying something differently "you're not allowed to have fun how you want to, you need to have fun how i want to!"
This doesn't make sense because this applies the other way too, saying bagging should remain superior to racing is telling other players they should bag instead of racing in the racing game. Dumb take.
@@Chicky_Lumps My take is that people should be allowed to have fun how they want. You're strawmanning so hard it's insane.
@@Jar_Jar_Twinks Okay but then how is your comment relevant to nerfing bagging? That doesn't prevent you from doing it anymore than you front running before this, it just won't be as good.
@@Chicky_Lumps because when bagging was nerfed a super common response to people being upset about the nerf was "just drive the race normally"
i was just saying i don't like that stance. you don't gotta be so combative dude.
Congrats on 200k!
CONGRATS ON 200K WOOOOHOOO🎉🎉🎉
Big 200k congrats man
You know that Funky Kong has a blue peach parasol while Pauline doesn’t have a red one.
Congrats on 200k man
from what i understand about the changes, isn’t it from the same box? would choosing a different box at the same set not achieve the same effect as the old bagging? idk i think i misunderstood something lol
as far as I understood it, no, it counts the whole item set, not just a specific box
Yeah it applies to the whole item set. However, some item sets don't count as item sets. Moving items each count as their own set, and i believe the first set on donut plains 3 (and any similar item groups where you can hit 2 single item boxes to get 2 items) all count as a separate set for each box
@@Deoix9877 ah i see thank you