It's nice to finally see a model of a plank wagon that depicts the side doors on the interior of the wagon. Normally, you see all this great detail on the outside but as soon as you look on the inside, it's just a flat, blank surface where the door should be.
Yes, you’re correct. But to be fair to Hornby they do have a part detailed pair of side doors on the inside as well, just not as prominent as the Peco version.
Great review, as you point out both have the pluses. I have one of each of the Hornby and Peco wagons and love them all. I really hope this encourages more manufactures to join in and the existing two to expand their range in both liveries and range. I have gone with magnetics though for my ease of use.👍
Good review Peachy. The Hornby does look crisper moulding. Will mean different to different people. The great thing is that there is a choice. As long as people buy then you get more choice. I really don’t understand people moaning especially given it’s a new scale for the U.K.
Well presented, and very fair. Thanks Chris. With regards to detail, Peco's wagon is based on an old time wooden frame, whereas the Hornby is based on an RCH standard steel underframe of later design. There were a great many rail wagon builders pre WWI, building independently, and to order for a great many operators and owners. I think the Railway Clearing House came into being in 1923. They brought in a level of industrial standardisation to wagon building, including standardising of wagon sizes and capacities, and also in material standards.
@@PeachyTT120 Yes they became a modern standard, but I'm not sure when. I'd be surprised if wooden underframe wagons lasted long enough to be fitted with them though. That detail didn't register as I first viewed it.
@@robertbate5790 There’s an old timber plank coal waggon on top of the coal drop at Goathland on the NYMR with them, although I guess that’s no guarantee they are original.
The new PECO model is based upon the RCH 1923 specification. Wagons were still being built with wooden chassis's long after 1923, they lasted longer than the steel chassis variety and they were very much cheaper to repair.
Excellent Chris. Very well presented as always, and as you said, we do t need anything overly negative at this stage of the development of TT120. Thanks!
A nice review on some up-to-date stock, for sure. It is nice to see the range widening for the scale and gauge.. Will catch up with the video's as I'm a OO Runner yet. Nice to see the detail on the 7-plank wagons. Cheers Peachy!
The coupling guide mechanism on the Hornby waggon is THE way to go if you want the waggons to run buffer to buffer. I don’t know about the UK, but here on the continent, running buffer to buffer is extremely important. So Hornby is definitely on the right track here.
Hi Chris, thanks for the review. I plan on buying some of the Peco wagons (after pay day). You highlighted a couple of potential negatives, but I don't think, for me, they are show stoppers. It's good to have another manufacturer involved, giving a bit more variety. I think the Cadbury and Colman's wagons look particularly nice and they are what I'll go for initially. Been watching your excellent videos since the beginning. Keep up the good work.
I agree it's great to see another producer of TT. I have only got the Coleman's wagon, but I had to scrape yellow off part of the chassis. I use the Hunt magnetic couplings, and found fitting them very difficult. The whole NEM bit snapped off, probably my inexperience, but I had no problem with the Hornby ones. I hope Peco continue, but I hope the quality improves.
I’ve read somewhere that the Hunt apparently need trimming to fit properly? Not sure where and how much though. Ps are you going to contact Peco for a replacement NEM socket?
@@PeachyTT120 I snapped it back in, but the coupling had snapped off so I glued it to the NEM, it seems ok. It's just my experience, I hope I'm the exception. I don't want to complain, primarily because I want Peco to expand the range and make it a success.
Thanks for the video. This TT120 scale has really taken my interest, but I haven't quite cracked yet. Just a thought regarding the Hornby rolling stock. You mention that it doesn't roll very well. Have you tried a spot of lithium grease, or similiarly plastic-friendly lubricant, on the axles?
Hi Chris. Nice, informative video. I think overall I would probably go for the Hornby product; the detail is nicer and I just like the coupling they use (despite the spring and brake popping off ). Two small criticisms: you generally don't say in your videos how much you paid for your purchases and don't always say where you got them from (unless it's obvious). I just went to PECO's website and couldn't find the wagons there.
Sorry, my bad. As there had been so much on social media about the pricing I hadn’t thought to include it. I’ve recently discovered that Peco have chosen not to advertise them on their own website, whilst Hatton & Rails of Sheffield are pushing them (I’m sure that others are also selling them) at a 10% discount price of £17.05. The Hornby wagons can be found discounted at retailers such as the TMC for £19.34
@@PeachyTT120 I arrived back from 3 weeks in China on Tuesday, so haven't kept up with Social Media. As a member of the TT:120 club, I should still get my 15% discount through you, which would help support you and your channel in the luxury you have become accustomed to (LOL).
This is what the new scale needs, competition. The more the merrier. What we don't need are people pulling the reputation down just to get views on their RUclips channel. Whatever next? Perhaps we'll hear that bonkers complaint about the lack of sprung buffers! I have bought and will continue to buy both brands. We'll done on an informative and well balanced review.
Don't get me going on sprung buffers. It's like saying a car is better because it has a cigar lighter in the boot. Makes no difference when you're diving it down the M1. Having said that, I've just remembered, my vehicle does have one in its boot! It's been a long time since I transported anyone in my boot and then they were usually bound and gagged! Ah! I miss the old days!
The couplings are a bit dodgy, but the wagons really are terrific! Very good effort, Peco - maybe tweak those couplings next time? Overall 8/10, and an excellent start. Progress for TT:120 👍
Great video and review, as always. I got some Peco wagons yesterday and opened the pack up and had a look at a couple of them. I thought they came in a lovely little box, it would have been nice to be able to re-pack them in easier if needed, but thought the plastic box would be great for storing other bits in. What I did love was how free rolling they are! The Hornby ones are very disappointing I think, they drag terribly. My brake van is literally that, like the brake is locked on.
@@PeachyTT120 I’m glad it’s not just mine that are bad, although I wish none of them were. Same with the lit Pullmans. Is there anything that can be done to improve the rolling resistance? Maybe an idea for a future video 😉? Nobody seems to talk about this. Yet I’ve had trains derail on my basic on the table oval because of this.
@@TonyTurboRST I’ve touched on these issues on the Hornby forum, but tbh I’ve not come up with anything that’s done more than a very slight improvement.
@@PeachyTT120 not yet but believe me I will now . Good video too , just finishing my next and boy oh boy does it take time. So respect for your video too coz it’s super slick
I've done a bit of sign writing and I can assure you that writing on a working wagon would be chipped, faded and worn. I think the Coleman one looks the best out of the lot because from a distance, due to the colours it does look slightly old.
Hi peachy just wondering if you know off any in depth videos for hm7000 as just done of mine all connected very easily but Finding I don’t know how to turn the red Bluetooth signs to blue to make them work or one stops and than I got a different one working but all are there to see no the app so just seeing if you have seen any videos explaining it all thank you
Ian, it’s all about Bluetooth connectivity and consistent power. It’s why I always use the stay alive power banks. I think the problem is that the moment the decoders sense the slightest fluctuation in power they protect themselves by shutting off, unfortunately it’s so sensitive it can be a real pain. I believe Hornby are working on changing that. Things you can do to minimise this are keeping the track & wheels spotless and making sure the wheels are spaced apart correctly. Best place to get help is the TT120 section of the Hornby forum.
I love the fact that peco os made in uk. Just down the road from me in fact. But not just are the sides bowed, but they are too chunky and hence toy like too. Nevertheless a great addition to tt
I do wonder though that when looking at these tiny wagons blown up on a big screen that we might be doing them a disservice. On my layout they look absolutely cracking
Yeah they were all pretty much like that, but no worse. I think I might brace them with a matchstick or something similar then fill them them up with coal.
The ones at the Great central railway are metal ones with bows but the wooden ones should not. Hope they not using the same grade of material that triang used on their coaches where the rooves warped. one of my collegues in 3mm glos group has ordered some too so will check them out.
They are really nice looking wagons and excellent value for money but the couplings don't work with each other or Hornby and the wheels are wobbly or have flat spots. Yes peco will replace wobbly ones but it shouldn't be like that. It is aftersll asuplier issue not the wagon. I hated the box at first but once you get the hang of sliding the plastic loop over its okay, the box is a nice storage box. I'd suggest perhaps getting pieces of foam for them. Price wise it questions Hornbys suggestion that to manufacture in the UK would cost 4 times more a 100 pound loco would cost 400 they say. If that's so why can peco do a decent wagon for a third less .
It's nice to finally see a model of a plank wagon that depicts the side doors on the interior of the wagon. Normally, you see all this great detail on the outside but as soon as you look on the inside, it's just a flat, blank surface where the door should be.
Yes, you’re correct. But to be fair to Hornby they do have a part detailed pair of side doors on the inside as well, just not as prominent as the Peco version.
It’s just great to have another manufacturer making rolling stock, I look forward to them.
Cheers, here’s hoping you guys down under don’t have to wait too long.
Great review, as you point out both have the pluses. I have one of each of the Hornby and Peco wagons and love them all. I really hope this encourages more manufactures to join in and the existing two to expand their range in both liveries and range. I have gone with magnetics though for my ease of use.👍
Hello David, yes I’ve found those magnetic couplings are by far the easiest to use especially when I’ve been taking stock off of the layout…
Good review Peachy. The Hornby does look crisper moulding. Will mean different to different people. The great thing is that there is a choice. As long as people buy then you get more choice.
I really don’t understand people moaning especially given it’s a new scale for the U.K.
Cheers, you’ll never stop some people have a good old moan, they love it too much! 😄
Well presented, and very fair. Thanks Chris. With regards to detail, Peco's wagon is based on an old time wooden frame, whereas the Hornby is based on an RCH standard steel underframe of later design. There were a great many rail wagon builders pre WWI, building independently, and to order for a great many operators and owners. I think the Railway Clearing House came into being in 1923. They brought in a level of industrial standardisation to wagon building, including standardising of wagon sizes and capacities, and also in material standards.
Now that is what I call a comment! Thanks Robert.
I’ve also seen since making the video plenty of examples with those spoke-less wheels.
@@PeachyTT120 Yes they became a modern standard, but I'm not sure when. I'd be surprised if wooden underframe wagons lasted long enough to be fitted with them though. That detail didn't register as I first viewed it.
@@robertbate5790 There’s an old timber plank coal waggon on top of the coal drop at Goathland on the NYMR with them, although I guess that’s no guarantee they are original.
The new PECO model is based upon the RCH 1923 specification. Wagons were still being built with wooden chassis's long after 1923, they lasted longer than the steel chassis variety and they were very much cheaper to repair.
@@adriancox3130 excellent information, thank you. 😊
I chucked when you said about your widow finding them neatly packed in the loft.😆
Can’t take ‘em with us apparently! 😄
Learning lots about wagon. The N scale Peco chassis come in wood or steel and disc, three hole or spoked.
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Cheers will look into that as when it’s working its brilliant 👍👍
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Excellent Chris. Very well presented as always, and as you said, we do t need anything overly negative at this stage of the development of TT120. Thanks!
Thanks Greg
A nice review on some up-to-date stock, for sure. It is nice to see the range widening for the scale and gauge.. Will catch up with the video's as I'm a OO Runner yet. Nice to see the detail on the 7-plank wagons. Cheers Peachy!
My pleasure Flymo & welcome onboard 😊
The coupling guide mechanism on the Hornby waggon is THE way to go if you want the waggons to run buffer to buffer. I don’t know about the UK, but here on the continent, running buffer to buffer is extremely important. So Hornby is definitely on the right track here.
Totally agree, it’s just not possible with the supplied Tillig type of coupling.
Hi Chris, thanks for the review. I plan on buying some of the Peco wagons (after pay day). You highlighted a couple of potential negatives, but I don't think, for me, they are show stoppers. It's good to have another manufacturer involved, giving a bit more variety. I think the Cadbury and Colman's wagons look particularly nice and they are what I'll go for initially. Been watching your excellent videos since the beginning. Keep up the good work.
Excellent! I really do appreciate your support. 😊
I agree the two yellow liveries are cracking!
Thanks Peachy, been waiting for your opinion on these, I’ve just ordered 4 of these after your positive review 👍
Blimey! Does that make me an influencer? 🤣
I have 3 of them and I think they are great !
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I agree it's great to see another producer of TT. I have only got the Coleman's wagon, but I had to scrape yellow off part of the chassis. I use the Hunt magnetic couplings, and found fitting them very difficult. The whole NEM bit snapped off, probably my inexperience, but I had no problem with the Hornby ones. I hope Peco continue, but I hope the quality improves.
I’ve read somewhere that the Hunt apparently need trimming to fit properly? Not sure where and how much though.
Ps are you going to contact Peco for a replacement NEM socket?
@@PeachyTT120 I snapped it back in, but the coupling had snapped off so I glued it to the NEM, it seems ok. It's just my experience, I hope I'm the exception. I don't want to complain, primarily because I want Peco to expand the range and make it a success.
Thanks for the video. This TT120 scale has really taken my interest, but I haven't quite cracked yet. Just a thought regarding the Hornby rolling stock. You mention that it doesn't roll very well. Have you tried a spot of lithium grease, or similiarly plastic-friendly lubricant, on the axles?
Unfortunately yes I’ve tried a bunch of different products. I really do think it’s a fault in the casting if the axle boxes
Hi Chris. Nice, informative video. I think overall I would probably go for the Hornby product; the detail is nicer and I just like the coupling they use (despite the spring and brake popping off ). Two small criticisms: you generally don't say in your videos how much you paid for your purchases and don't always say where you got them from (unless it's obvious). I just went to PECO's website and couldn't find the wagons there.
Sorry, my bad. As there had been so much on social media about the pricing I hadn’t thought to include it. I’ve recently discovered that Peco have chosen not to advertise them on their own website, whilst Hatton & Rails of Sheffield are pushing them (I’m sure that others are also selling them) at a 10% discount price of £17.05. The Hornby wagons can be found discounted at retailers such as the TMC for £19.34
@@PeachyTT120 I arrived back from 3 weeks in China on Tuesday, so haven't kept up with Social Media. As a member of the TT:120 club, I should still get my 15% discount through you, which would help support you and your channel in the luxury you have become accustomed to (LOL).
@@PaulSmith-pl7fo 🤣.. Thanks Paul. Much appreciated
This is what the new scale needs, competition. The more the merrier. What we don't need are people pulling the reputation down just to get views on their RUclips channel. Whatever next? Perhaps we'll hear that bonkers complaint about the lack of sprung buffers!
I have bought and will continue to buy both brands.
We'll done on an informative and well balanced review.
I completely agree Derek. And thank you, I’m glad you like the review.
Don't get me going on sprung buffers. It's like saying a car is better because it has a cigar lighter in the boot. Makes no difference when you're diving it down the M1.
Having said that, I've just remembered, my vehicle does have one in its boot! It's been a long time since I transported anyone in my boot and then they were usually bound and gagged! Ah! I miss the old days!
@@derekcole5593 🤣
Use a small elasic band to hold it on the plastic floor for storage
Good idea
thanks for this comparison. all too old for me but may get a plain one and paint it a different livery.
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The couplings are a bit dodgy, but the wagons really are terrific!
Very good effort, Peco - maybe tweak those couplings next time? Overall 8/10, and an excellent start.
Progress for TT:120 👍
I’m looking forward to seeing what they bring out next.
Great video and review, as always. I got some Peco wagons yesterday and opened the pack up and had a look at a couple of them. I thought they came in a lovely little box, it would have been nice to be able to re-pack them in easier if needed, but thought the plastic box would be great for storing other bits in. What I did love was how free rolling they are! The Hornby ones are very disappointing I think, they drag terribly. My brake van is literally that, like the brake is locked on.
Thanks Tony.
Don’t get me started on brake vans! 🤦♂️ I’ve got 1 out 4 this is sort of ok (the one used in the video)
@@PeachyTT120 I’m glad it’s not just mine that are bad, although I wish none of them were. Same with the lit Pullmans. Is there anything that can be done to improve the rolling resistance? Maybe an idea for a future video 😉? Nobody seems to talk about this. Yet I’ve had trains derail on my basic on the table oval because of this.
@@TonyTurboRST I’ve touched on these issues on the Hornby forum, but tbh I’ve not come up with anything that’s done more than a very slight improvement.
@@PeachyTT120 Such a shame, as otherwise they are lovely models.
@@TonyTurboRSTRallyMatt has a quite detailed post on this on the Hornby forum. Worth a read.
As regards to the packaging they have made to fit other wagons in the future and I am sure we will find many uses for the plastic container
Definitely, I’ve already got five each with a different colour of leaf scatter in 😃
They look good
They certainly do Mike, have you got some?
@@PeachyTT120 not yet but believe me I will now . Good video too , just finishing my next and boy oh boy does it take time. So respect for your video too coz it’s super slick
@@MIKELANETT120 you do make a cracking running video Mike, tbh I find it much easier to waffle on rather than make running vids.
@@PeachyTT120 gonna give you and let’s make tracks another mention at the end of my next vid
I've done a bit of sign writing and I can assure you that writing on a working wagon would be chipped, faded and worn. I think the Coleman one looks the best out of the lot because from a distance, due to the colours it does look slightly old.
Hi peachy just wondering if you know off any in depth videos for hm7000 as just done of mine all connected very easily but Finding I don’t know how to turn the red Bluetooth signs to blue to make them work or one stops and than I got a different one working but all are there to see no the app so just seeing if you have seen any videos explaining it all thank you
Ian, it’s all about Bluetooth connectivity and consistent power. It’s why I always use the stay alive power banks. I think the problem is that the moment the decoders sense the slightest fluctuation in power they protect themselves by shutting off, unfortunately it’s so sensitive it can be a real pain. I believe Hornby are working on changing that.
Things you can do to minimise this are keeping the track & wheels spotless and making sure the wheels are spaced apart correctly. Best place to get help is the TT120 section of the Hornby forum.
I love the fact that peco os made in uk. Just down the road from me in fact. But not just are the sides bowed, but they are too chunky and hence toy like too. Nevertheless a great addition to tt
I do wonder though that when looking at these tiny wagons blown up on a big screen that we might be doing them a disservice. On my layout they look absolutely cracking
@@PeachyTT120 Even old triang wagons pass the 3 foot test admirably 👍
Hi there. are all your wagons bowed or just one?
Yeah they were all pretty much like that, but no worse. I think I might brace them with a matchstick or something similar then fill them them up with coal.
The ones at the Great central railway are metal ones with bows but the wooden ones should not. Hope they not using the same grade of material that triang used on their coaches where the rooves warped. one of my collegues in 3mm glos group has ordered some too so will check them out.
I had to check, Era1/2 wagons in QLD were 7ft wheel base with 2' dia wheels. That makes them about N scale?
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They are really nice looking wagons and excellent value for money but the couplings don't work with each other or Hornby and the wheels are wobbly or have flat spots. Yes peco will replace wobbly ones but it shouldn't be like that. It is aftersll asuplier issue not the wagon.
I hated the box at first but once you get the hang of sliding the plastic loop over its okay, the box is a nice storage box. I'd suggest perhaps getting pieces of foam for them.
Price wise it questions Hornbys suggestion that to manufacture in the UK would cost 4 times more a 100 pound loco would cost 400 they say. If that's so why can peco do a decent wagon for a third less .
I agree the couplings are poor, which is why I set my triplets up with Hunts in n the middle & Dapol easies at the ends 🤷🏻♂️
Need a box van and a gun powder van now
@@madhatter61 and a flat & a cattle…
@@PeachyTT120 that would be great. I'm trusting you to convince them