I feel your pain I tried a lot of ender 3 like printers and I couldn't do more than 10 prints without something failing. People may argue that the support of the community or that you can tune the machine but I am don't it just not fair to leave everything to the consumer instead of solving the problem and having quality control.
Just wait, it's only a matter of time until you can flash it and there's open source software you can use with it and clone hardware you can buy from third parties. It's too popular of a printer to stay locked down forever, the community will open it up whether Bamboo likes it or not.
Really? So you'd sooner pass up on amazing printer, than have to buy reasonably-priced parts from the same company that MADE that amazing printer? Wow.
Closed source has been a deal breaker for me in the past...but that was ussaully because they were trying to build there own slicer from the ground up and it was always years behind open source slicers on the market... The bambu studio is a fork of prusa slicer so it is really up to date...Furthermore, they have integrated the machine control interface into the slicer which is awesome...finally bambu has been very quick at fixes problems that are brought up...I am not telling you that you should discard your beliefs and buy one...but maybe give it a closer look? I absolutly love my X1C ... i have never used prusa slicer but found bambu studio very easy to pick up anyway.. i have been using cura for years...despite this i have only needed to do two google searches to figure out how to do something and i found the answer within 5 minutes...
@@waralo191 except it objectively doesn't. Prusa require far more tinkering and messing around than Bambu printers do, and Bambu printers are visibly made of higher quality parts. Not to mention that they're significantly easier and faster to get up and running.. oh, and they also print faster in almost all cases. It seems like you're projecting on that other commenter, "bot."
@@Lostachilles There is a fundamental difference in design philosophy between Bambulabs and Prusa. In Prusa Printers, the whole Printer is open source, and made with off-the-shelve and 3d printed parts. If something breaks, you can go to your electronics store, and replace it. Hells, even the schematics and pcb's are open source, so if Prusa were to be gone, you could still make your own replacement parts. If you decide to tinker with it, the firmware is open source, you can modify it and change it to fit your needs. Now BambuLab's is a common comercial product. It's not open source, uses custom parts that can't be sourced from 3rd parties, if it breaks significantly you may even need to send it in for expensive repairs, you can't really modify it as the firmware is, to my knowledge, not open source. My PrusaMK4 workes wonderfully out of the box, and i've not seen any print quality issues compared to bambulabs. What you may percieve as "requiering tinkering" is actually just "can easily be tinkered with". On the contrary to bambulabs. Not to mention that Bambu-Labs slicer is just a fork of Prusa Slicer, and contrary to Prusa they contribute barely anything to the slicers capabillities, basically just slapping a new skin on it, and integrating it with their cloud features. And, contrary to BambuLab's Prusa's TOS doesn't allow them to sell or share any data about you. (Except for delivery companies, and similar).
@@Lostachillesevery 3d printer has their own pros and cons, prusa is better for some people, bambu is betyer for others, no different then getting a german made or japanese made car. Theyre all made for different uses and different specifations. Ones not necessarily better or worse. Some take more work and some are dummy proof. Bambu in my opionion makes great products but the fact you have to use everythung bambu related does suck. Others might like that however open source machines can be uprgraded and personalized more. That to me is the benefit of prusa. Hell i got an elegoo recently been a great machine others seem to think its a lot of work even though that hasnt been my experience.
The LAN only mode is terrible. I wish people talked more about the actual nuances of these things instead of being black and white about it. I just got a P1P and although it’s an incredible machine there are a lot of things not mentioned anywhere, like the LAN only mode being incredibly limited feature-wise compared to when using the cloud. You can’t control the printer via bambu studio at all when on LAN only mode for example. Imo, that’s a deal breaker for LAN only mode, and I’m sure that is no mistake for Bambuz
@@D4RKFiB3Rdon’t know if this will help you yet another 8 months later, but I can fully control my X1C from Orca or Bambu slicer while in LAN mode. It seems like that’s been in the firmware since before I got my printer. My only gripe is that you can’t watch (or control) the printer on the mobile app while it’s in LAN mode, but I get why.
This is literally the only guy who is not an advertisement Whooore for other companies. Almost everyone else will literally just give a 90% positive review to anyone and everyone sending them free machines. Its even worse in the woodworking industry where the machines are usually more expensive.
@@TrillMurray why? its a good printer which is a massive step to most people having good printers? are you really gonna say something thats good is bead because you're salty people are sponsored?
@@miciagaming7323 no, I have one. It's a great printer. I'm just saying that I'm willing to give it a rave review if someone wants to send me another one lol
I agree with most of your likes and dislikes. Bambu cloud was down Thursday or Friday evening and caused problems for a lot of us. There was no indication, just that prints went no where. I thought it was an error on my part. It came back up and the prints started by themselves. The Lan option is not a real solution, as it is too limited. I hope they will develop a real full LAN option
When I hear open ecosystem I hear “Stop f-ing breaking you piece of shit, why can’t this just work” but I also hear “holy shit this fucking fucking cool, it’s shouldn’t be able to do that”. Open source is like an unstable relationship, it will be really fun but you can’t depend on the other person.
You can replace the "shorts/" part of the url with "watch?v=" and it'll convert back to the regular youtube. I have a macro for it on my desk, it's kind of annoying but it's fun making macros anyways.
I actually enjoy my prusa simply because it feels like a product from 20 years ago. No subscriptions, no cloud, no restrictions... it's just a tool that you're in control of
I believe you can switch the printer to LAN mode. Multicolor prints are generally wasteful, with the exception of some purpose built hardware. You can print color changing calibration towers and remove the need for a purge tower, as the printer purges out the back anyways
Been printing since 6 years, never seen the benefit of open source. If a part breaks down i buy it from the manufacturer anyway. If you wanna hack it or clone it then open source may help you with that :)
The issue is that if the company either shuts down, or wants to lock software behind an expensive subscription, they can do that. Open source prevents your machine becoming an expensive dead brick if either of those happen.
I'm sure you'll love it when you can't use your perfectly working printer because the company shut down the service!! And yes, that's a *when* not an if.
@@ThylineTheGay I love it ever since bambulab came around and started to push on the competition people get mad for some reason. At least look at the Prusa, because of bambulab they at least coming up with something to be relevant. When it comes to 'when' im not gonna live forever too, i dont even plan 1 year ahead. People often think and act like they never gonna die. Try to enjoy the life stop thinking about if''s and when's too much. There's no guarantee in anything in this life. And PS. not a single issue with my X1C, ever since 8 months go figure :D
@@ThylineTheGay why do people act like it requires the cloud. It can print on lan and with sd card just like any other printer. If bambu dies nothing about my workflow will change.
There has been updates. You can now use the printer with Lan so no servers involved and the spare parts are super available and incredibly cheap. The entire hot end assembly replacement is $29, I mean come on.
You can easily have machines that do both. I use 3d printers for work and i will never buy something that isn't open source because I rely on my machines and need to be able to work on them. It's also not very fun when your print breaks and you can fix it or get parts. Printers are going to break at some point and need repair.
@@steelwitness While that is technically true for some people, I think the majority of folks (especially new to the community) tend to prefer either a single, "it just works" type machine, a tool that will function as expected without hiccups or constant tinkering, or they'll want one of those and a tinker machine to explore modding, upgrading, etc.; I know that's particularly common in the older generation like my parents in their 70's now, mum shopped around and picked out a machine that focused on workhorse performance without needing to calibrate, tinker, etc, just works right out of the box. Personally I like both kinds of machines!
@@dakotareid1566 the problem is what if Bambu stops to exist or in a few years they decide to stop supporting this generation of printers? Yes there will be AliExpress knockoff replacements but the quality will probably suffer.
It's a great printer The minor problems he talks about really don't matter. The thing just plain Prints all the time very reliable. No fuss. And the tiny amount of filament that is purged doesn't make any difference.
I will say that in the website it tells you now in the full amend swap area how to decrease the purge amount between color changes. If needed I think I can find that link again
I'll never understand the people that buy a 3d printer for the sake of screwing with a 3d printer. The whole point is to have way to make custome parts.
I hate that everyone when I say ender 3 like 3d printers sucks because you have to be always making adjustments and you can't do more than 10 prints without something failing I don't want to be always fixing the darn printer and relying on the community for upgrades and guides on how to tune the machine they should provide everything and the guides.
Because you can learn an insane amount and create or even invent custom parts along that way. You can also set one up EXACTLY to how you want it. There's nothing wrong with going for the "apple" of 3d printers if all you want is to print stuff and not care at all about the tinkering related parts of 3d printing. However, there's quite a lot of benefits to having a 'tinker' printer, especially for learning. 3D printing is a very different way of producing complex parts. If you want to get the most out of it, there's a wide and deep world to dive into
@josejimenez896 I think it is the natural way in technology, that tools evolve to the point where they are so good that the end user does not need to know how everything works in detail. And the bambulab is one step in that direction. For me the bambulab printer was exactly the correct thing. With a job, I have only limited time for my hobby and in that time I don't want to work on my 3D printer.
I agree. I think everyone should start from a bad machine and work their way to an A1. This way you can compare first hand and you will have the knowledge to take of your Bambu Lab printers. This is exactly what I did through my 3D printing journey and now I can focus on printing my parts for a short film project. I have a P1S/ AMS and can’t say enough good things about Bambu Lab.
Creality K1 Max is the best alternative I've found without paying for something like a voron. The K1 prints out of the box and just like crealitys other offerings they are open source and have easily accessible replacement parts and repair guides. It diesnt matter what you use the printer fir you want to be able to have parts and guides available even if you hire someone to fix it.
Yeah, we've all been burned already with totally closed systems, I'm not investing anymore in something I can't at least try to fix myself or keep using.
What machines? Makes me laugh - 100's of thousands took a chance on the kickstarter, that might NEVER deliver, but now, with hundreds of thousands of units out there, you're concerned about parts?
@@Martial-Mat No idea what you mean really, I was talking in general. I don't want a machine, that I can purchase (not kickstarter related) that is super tied down. If Bambu Labs stops, you're kinda screwed. You also have to wait for replacement parts as you can't actually use generic parts.
@@VincentGroenewold Yes, I could have made my point more clearly Vincent. I was asking what mass-production machines with bespoke parts you've already been burned by. Personally, I've NEVER been burned by a mchine with bespoke parts. I have a GUider 2 and Flashforge charges an extortionate price for their bespoke parts. I was also trying to make the point that people risked $1500 on the kickstarter version of this printer, where they are not even guaranteed a machine in the first place. If you have high risk aversion, I totally get that, but probably 100s of thousands of these machines have sold now, and there are vast numbers of spare parts sitting in warehouses in every continent on the planet.
Is your Tv open source, monitor, cell phone? How about your car? if you have a modern one Im sure it has a SOC that is proprietary. Do you own a 2d printer? laser or ink? Is that open? This closed/open source gatekeeping is very odd when you are outside of the 3d printing realm looking in.
Not sure if you can take the side panels off, but enclosure is a show stopper for printing PLA ridiculously fast because (especially with heated bed, but even without) ambient will reach enough above room temperature to reduce cooling performance so it's hard to get PLA rigid in time for the next layer.
@@daliasprints9798The glass top comes off too, and there's a really powerful fan inside the machine. There's no issues printing PLA with it even fully enclosed.
@@logitech4873 There's no way you're going to keep it under 25°C in there with the enclosure on, which is needed for printing PLA with challenging overhangs.
Lower the purge material to 0.1 instead of the default 1.0 and can reduce the amount of waste For example At the default 1.0 on 4 colors the slicer says 125 grams of waste At 0.1 only 43 grams of waste and no color bleed The default is set way too high I have the X1 Carbon combo and use the 0.1 all the time now
Big RUclipsrs like you can really throw your weight around and actually give an honest review, perhaps even dishonest but AGAINST these companies rather than the small RUclipsrs who just cowtail to everything for a buck and some promotion.
Honestly with Orca Slicer and the printer on LAN mode I don't see a problem. There are already tons of knock off parts to buy and you don't have to only use the Micro SD card
This is a bit out of date as there’s LAN mode and you can use Orca slicer and skip Bambu’s infrastructure entirely. 100% reliance on X company for spare parts warranty and support. This is speciously stated because most products are also - most things you buy you can only get spare parts from the oem for a while until they become popular enough. And who else provides warranty support for someone else’s product? as for support, I find all the support i need on Reddit and RUclips so…
I wouldn’t say minutes maybe in an hour or 2 because of first time unboxing and you really should calibrate it immediately and that takes 15 minutes i think at-least on the a1 mini
I bought an Ender3 a few years ago...It's been sitting there ever since...Yeah open source isn't for me sadly, I'm getting the P1S and sticking with it until I can upgrade.
They basically became the consumer ultimaker. This was my number one complaint with my ultimaker, you either have to get shady and go Shady places like Ali, or buy directly from distributors. This is the primary reason that I have not purchased a bamboo. My ultimaker as it has gotten older, (UM3) it has continued to stay just as expensive to replace components and even Bowden tubes which BTW, are also non-standard proprietary and must be purchased from lab supply, or ultimaker.
2 weeks new to 3D printing and I bought the X1C from microcenter with extended warranty and love it. Have made probably 3KG of stuff already because it is so fast and user friendly. Bought around 34KGs of filament too, I think I’m set for awhile lol. X1C is the iPhone of 3D printing and I love it so far, no complaints. Find myself staring through the glass as it majestically prints lightning speed
I just purchased an X1C and had a concern about the Cloud based software. That's the reason I chose an OMTech laser over the Glowforge. But, like mentioned, if Bambu goes tits up you can still print from an SD card.
I have the X1 Carbon with AMS multicolor. The filament purge is so watefull more is wasted than is applied to the model. There is not much support. It is pretty much a figure it out yourself to repair faults deal. It's not that complicated. Overall I like it. Although I would like to acquire several different style printers to increase productivity
Definitely sticking with my CoreXY X1C for its fast accurate printing, enclosure, able to print exotic materials that require enclosure. Camera, larger build area reasonably priced parts, AMS able to handle up to 16 colors/materials and I guess opensource slicer, which honestly means nothing as I am not a coder and has no direct benefit to me at all.
Just ordered mine. I’m a techie who uses Linux as a daily driver and running open source projects for everything I do. But I spend so much time hacking work projects that I’m too tired to add another project to meddle with. Give me a printer that just works. That’s all I care about at this point.
I don’t see why their SD card is more tedious than any other printer with an SD card. Having an air gap option is a must in my opinion. Bambu SD does not permit FW upgrades. Must use network.
Probably a huge long shot. But I have a cool idea for a 3d print, and just want to see it created but I don't have the skills. Would you be interested in hear about it?
That's a lot of filament leftovers. Wouldn't it be possible to use a shredder to make granules out of it and use an extruder to produce new upcycling multicolored filament rolls?
Yes, but a lot of the personal level solutions for that are crazy expensive or require some serious tech know-how in order to build your own. And a lot of people buying these machines are the plug and play type who want a solution that just works and don't want to deal with that kind of fiddling and tweaking. If someone did for filament recycling what Bambu have done for the printing side, they'd likely make a killing. I've seen a few cool DIY projects, but they still require a level of skill that's beyond most Bambu customers (imo). Here in Australia, it's pathetic trying to recycle plastics. We makers would love a simple solution where we can send old filament scraps and know it will be recycled and not thrown away. But it's just not cost-effective for someone to make that company just now.
Im fairly new to this, messing about with an ender 5 very nearly put me off 3d printing, as a reasonably tech person, the fact it came with no firmware was beyond me. Some might not get past that. The Bambu to me will definitely attract ppl that can't deal with code. That's got to be good for the game. Shame about the waste......and the price.
Tbh I see this as a typical household printer now, yeah all of their filament and software is only sold by them but everything about it is handled by them. We all complain about HP preventing you from using your own cheap cartridges but is that a price you're willing to pay for vastly better QOL/QOU? For me, yes.
My P1s is the best FDM printer I have ever had the pleasure of using. It might not be open source but they have amazing customer support and replacement parts are very inexpensive. I will never buy another brand of FDM printer.
Closed source systems are pretty common among industrial 3D printing, hobbyists are upset but it’s really just what most companies do that aren’t making the lowest cost 3D printer on the market.
To be fair this thing is going to change the 3D printing market making it accessible to all whilst creating more competition in the sector. Its proprietary nature isnt really an issue as anything can be hacked.
Horrible client service... I paid the printer a few weeks, sent them an email for VAT return... didn't get any answer back or any printer so far... when I get the printer I hope that I won't need any services from them with this response time...
Everyone is saying so many great things about Bambulabs printers, which are definitely true, but no one has ever mentioned the fact how many plastic going to be wasted, which is not nearly eco-friendly. Instead of batching prints by color, most of bambulabs printer users will use filament switching. It completely denies what additive manufacturing intended to achieve - unnecessary waste
Only reason I haven't purchased one is spare parts availability especially in 5 or even 10 years and reports of terrible support from bambu labs. With all pf my other 3d printers ive been able to upgrade them, change them as necessary to keep them printing years after the company stopped making them. I just don't see going strong 8 years from now unless the community gets heavily involved.
Everyone complains about closed system, but seems to fail to recognize that 99% of everything we use everyday at home and work is pretty darn closed. Very few open source microwaves out there but the majority work just fine
Is there anything stopping someone else from creating spare parts for the bambu lab printers? Of course nobody is gonna do that unless lots of people buy the printers.
As someone who just wanted a printer that works for a professional environment it's awesome. Tired of printers that end up as projects.
I feel your pain I tried a lot of ender 3 like printers and I couldn't do more than 10 prints without something failing. People may argue that the support of the community or that you can tune the machine but I am don't it just not fair to leave everything to the consumer instead of solving the problem and having quality control.
hmm on that case get a j35
@@kevinji7285 Like the swedish fighter jet or am i missing something here?
@@viduraherath4008 yeah get the fighter jet
Happy Prusa mk2.5s owner here w/ thousands of hours of prints who hasn't done any maintenance in two years 🙋
Closed source and closed ecosystem in 3D printing are a deal killer for me. It's a shame, because the print quality from that machine is amazing.
I think so too, but the prices for spare parts are reasonable. That's was the final straw for me.
I think so too, but the prices for spare parts are reasonable. That was the final straw for me.
Just wait, it's only a matter of time until you can flash it and there's open source software you can use with it and clone hardware you can buy from third parties. It's too popular of a printer to stay locked down forever, the community will open it up whether Bamboo likes it or not.
Really? So you'd sooner pass up on amazing printer, than have to buy reasonably-priced parts from the same company that MADE that amazing printer? Wow.
Closed source has been a deal breaker for me in the past...but that was ussaully because they were trying to build there own slicer from the ground up and it was always years behind open source slicers on the market... The bambu studio is a fork of prusa slicer so it is really up to date...Furthermore, they have integrated the machine control interface into the slicer which is awesome...finally bambu has been very quick at fixes problems that are brought up...I am not telling you that you should discard your beliefs and buy one...but maybe give it a closer look? I absolutly love my X1C ... i have never used prusa slicer but found bambu studio very easy to pick up anyway.. i have been using cura for years...despite this i have only needed to do two google searches to figure out how to do something and i found the answer within 5 minutes...
Most just want a printer that works and works well. Bambu lab printers are exactly that. Next level 3D printing.
😂😂😂
Sure, bot. Prusa works just as well
@@waralo191 except it objectively doesn't. Prusa require far more tinkering and messing around than Bambu printers do, and Bambu printers are visibly made of higher quality parts. Not to mention that they're significantly easier and faster to get up and running.. oh, and they also print faster in almost all cases.
It seems like you're projecting on that other commenter, "bot."
@@Lostachilles
There is a fundamental difference in design philosophy between Bambulabs and Prusa. In Prusa Printers, the whole Printer is open source, and made with off-the-shelve and 3d printed parts. If something breaks, you can go to your electronics store, and replace it. Hells, even the schematics and pcb's are open source, so if Prusa were to be gone, you could still make your own replacement parts. If you decide to tinker with it, the firmware is open source, you can modify it and change it to fit your needs.
Now BambuLab's is a common comercial product. It's not open source, uses custom parts that can't be sourced from 3rd parties, if it breaks significantly you may even need to send it in for expensive repairs, you can't really modify it as the firmware is, to my knowledge, not open source.
My PrusaMK4 workes wonderfully out of the box, and i've not seen any print quality issues compared to bambulabs. What you may percieve as "requiering tinkering" is actually just "can easily be tinkered with". On the contrary to bambulabs.
Not to mention that Bambu-Labs slicer is just a fork of Prusa Slicer, and contrary to Prusa they contribute barely anything to the slicers capabillities, basically just slapping a new skin on it, and integrating it with their cloud features.
And, contrary to BambuLab's Prusa's TOS doesn't allow them to sell or share any data about you. (Except for delivery companies, and similar).
@@Lostachillesevery 3d printer has their own pros and cons, prusa is better for some people, bambu is betyer for others, no different then getting a german made or japanese made car. Theyre all made for different uses and different specifations. Ones not necessarily better or worse. Some take more work and some are dummy proof. Bambu in my opionion makes great products but the fact you have to use everythung bambu related does suck. Others might like that however open source machines can be uprgraded and personalized more. That to me is the benefit of prusa. Hell i got an elegoo recently been a great machine others seem to think its a lot of work even though that hasnt been my experience.
You can use it in Local LAN mode too without cloud not just sd card when trying to avoid the cloud.
The LAN only mode is terrible. I wish people talked more about the actual nuances of these things instead of being black and white about it. I just got a P1P and although it’s an incredible machine there are a lot of things not mentioned anywhere, like the LAN only mode being incredibly limited feature-wise compared to when using the cloud. You can’t control the printer via bambu studio at all when on LAN only mode for example. Imo, that’s a deal breaker for LAN only mode, and I’m sure that is no mistake for Bambuz
@@jeebus2118thanks - good to know the details
@@jeebus2118 I realize I am late but why is that a dealbreaker? I have never used the manual controls on my P1S
@@jeebus2118Has that improved at all in the last 4 months? Thanks.
@@D4RKFiB3Rdon’t know if this will help you yet another 8 months later, but I can fully control my X1C from Orca or Bambu slicer while in LAN mode.
It seems like that’s been in the firmware since before I got my printer. My only gripe is that you can’t watch (or control) the printer on the mobile app while it’s in LAN mode, but I get why.
This is literally the only guy who is not an advertisement Whooore for other companies. Almost everyone else will literally just give a 90% positive review to anyone and everyone sending them free machines. Its even worse in the woodworking industry where the machines are usually more expensive.
If someome will send me this printer, I'll promise to give it a negative review lol
@@TrillMurray why? its a good printer which is a massive step to most people having good printers? are you really gonna say something thats good is bead because you're salty people are sponsored?
@@miciagaming7323 no, I have one. It's a great printer. I'm just saying that I'm willing to give it a rave review if someone wants to send me another one lol
I agree with most of your likes and dislikes. Bambu cloud was down Thursday or Friday evening and caused problems for a lot of us. There was no indication, just that prints went no where. I thought it was an error on my part. It came back up and the prints started by themselves. The Lan option is not a real solution, as it is too limited. I hope they will develop a real full LAN option
What’s limiting about the LAN option?
"Develop" like there aren't already open solutions for that
@@ThylineTheGaysuch as?
When I hear closed printer ecosystem I just get reminded of HP printers and their ability to brick your printer.
Bruh I hate HP so much
wait WHAT hp can just go “nah f**k your printer”
@enhidri160 Yes.
@@AdamJames. 💀💀💀
When I hear open ecosystem I hear “Stop f-ing breaking you piece of shit, why can’t this just work” but I also hear “holy shit this fucking fucking cool, it’s shouldn’t be able to do that”. Open source is like an unstable relationship, it will be really fun but you can’t depend on the other person.
I don't like shorts: No way to jump forward/backward, no line where you are in the video and you are forced to stay above the video.
Agreed but it's the way YT is going, I've got the full review if you want more details and will continue to do so for future reviews.
I use a browser extension to make shorts play like normal videos, not perfect, but is a compromise I'm ok with
And the fact there is a tiny video in the middle of the screen.
You can replace the "shorts/" part of the url with "watch?v=" and it'll convert back to the regular youtube. I have a macro for it on my desk, it's kind of annoying but it's fun making macros anyways.
@@ShinymetaGW2 WHAT EXTENSION
I actually enjoy my prusa simply because it feels like a product from 20 years ago. No subscriptions, no cloud, no restrictions... it's just a tool that you're in control of
Same with the ender 3. Just for 1/8th of the price.
I believe you can switch the printer to LAN mode. Multicolor prints are generally wasteful, with the exception of some purpose built hardware. You can print color changing calibration towers and remove the need for a purge tower, as the printer purges out the back anyways
I totally understand the effort you put in to do this . We as a maker community probably can not thank you enough !
Been printing since 6 years, never seen the benefit of open source. If a part breaks down i buy it from the manufacturer anyway. If you wanna hack it or clone it then open source may help you with that :)
The issue is that if the company either shuts down, or wants to lock software behind an expensive subscription, they can do that. Open source prevents your machine becoming an expensive dead brick if either of those happen.
I'm sure you'll love it when you can't use your perfectly working printer because the company shut down the service!!
And yes, that's a *when* not an if.
@@ThylineTheGay I love it ever since bambulab came around and started to push on the competition people get mad for some reason. At least look at the Prusa, because of bambulab they at least coming up with something to be relevant.
When it comes to 'when' im not gonna live forever too, i dont even plan 1 year ahead. People often think and act like they never gonna die. Try to enjoy the life stop thinking about if''s and when's too much. There's no guarantee in anything in this life.
And PS. not a single issue with my X1C, ever since 8 months go figure :D
@@orhanyor touch grass
@@ThylineTheGay why do people act like it requires the cloud. It can print on lan and with sd card just like any other printer. If bambu dies nothing about my workflow will change.
There has been updates. You can now use the printer with Lan so no servers involved and the spare parts are super available and incredibly cheap. The entire hot end assembly replacement is $29, I mean come on.
Nice, gonna buy one right now
Definitely a tool not a hobby/tinker machine. It's nice to have some for work and some for fun :)
You can easily have machines that do both. I use 3d printers for work and i will never buy something that isn't open source because I rely on my machines and need to be able to work on them. It's also not very fun when your print breaks and you can fix it or get parts. Printers are going to break at some point and need repair.
@@steelwitness While that is technically true for some people, I think the majority of folks (especially new to the community) tend to prefer either a single, "it just works" type machine, a tool that will function as expected without hiccups or constant tinkering, or they'll want one of those and a tinker machine to explore modding, upgrading, etc.; I know that's particularly common in the older generation like my parents in their 70's now, mum shopped around and picked out a machine that focused on workhorse performance without needing to calibrate, tinker, etc, just works right out of the box. Personally I like both kinds of machines!
@@steelwitnessyou can get parts and you can repair it yourself, they literally made a wiki for that purpose lol
@@dakotareid1566 the problem is what if Bambu stops to exist or in a few years they decide to stop supporting this generation of printers? Yes there will be AliExpress knockoff replacements but the quality will probably suffer.
It's a great printer The minor problems he talks about really don't matter. The thing just plain Prints all the time very reliable. No fuss. And the tiny amount of filament that is purged doesn't make any difference.
You also can print vis local network, you don’t need the cloud if you don’t want to use it!
Straight up honestly from Angus there, that’s highly appreciated and fully respected! Thanks
Amazing printers but being so new scares me back to Prusa who's served me reliably for over 5 years now. Hope that Bambu can prove its longevity.
With you videos I now want to get a 3d printer and start printing and making stuf
I will say that in the website it tells you now in the full amend swap area how to decrease the purge amount between color changes. If needed I think I can find that link again
Bravo. Bravo. for saying the correct unit for acceleration.
I'll never understand the people that buy a 3d printer for the sake of screwing with a 3d printer. The whole point is to have way to make custome parts.
I hate that everyone when I say ender 3 like 3d printers sucks because you have to be always making adjustments and you can't do more than 10 prints without something failing I don't want to be always fixing the darn printer and relying on the community for upgrades and guides on how to tune the machine they should provide everything and the guides.
Because you can learn an insane amount and create or even invent custom parts along that way. You can also set one up EXACTLY to how you want it.
There's nothing wrong with going for the "apple" of 3d printers if all you want is to print stuff and not care at all about the tinkering related parts of 3d printing.
However, there's quite a lot of benefits to having a 'tinker' printer, especially for learning. 3D printing is a very different way of producing complex parts. If you want to get the most out of it, there's a wide and deep world to dive into
Just because you're dumb doesn't mean the rest of us want to tinker or modify.
@josejimenez896 I think it is the natural way in technology, that tools evolve to the point where they are so good that the end user does not need to know how everything works in detail. And the bambulab is one step in that direction. For me the bambulab printer was exactly the correct thing. With a job, I have only limited time for my hobby and in that time I don't want to work on my 3D printer.
I agree. I think everyone should start from a bad machine and work their way to an A1. This way you can compare first hand and you will have the knowledge to take of your Bambu Lab printers. This is exactly what I did through my 3D printing journey and now I can focus on printing my parts for a short film project. I have a P1S/ AMS and can’t say enough good things about Bambu Lab.
Creality K1 Max is the best alternative I've found without paying for something like a voron. The K1 prints out of the box and just like crealitys other offerings they are open source and have easily accessible replacement parts and repair guides. It diesnt matter what you use the printer fir you want to be able to have parts and guides available even if you hire someone to fix it.
Yeah, we've all been burned already with totally closed systems, I'm not investing anymore in something I can't at least try to fix myself or keep using.
What machines? Makes me laugh - 100's of thousands took a chance on the kickstarter, that might NEVER deliver, but now, with hundreds of thousands of units out there, you're concerned about parts?
@@Martial-Mat No idea what you mean really, I was talking in general. I don't want a machine, that I can purchase (not kickstarter related) that is super tied down. If Bambu Labs stops, you're kinda screwed. You also have to wait for replacement parts as you can't actually use generic parts.
@@VincentGroenewold Yes, I could have made my point more clearly Vincent. I was asking what mass-production machines with bespoke parts you've already been burned by. Personally, I've NEVER been burned by a mchine with bespoke parts. I have a GUider 2 and Flashforge charges an extortionate price for their bespoke parts.
I was also trying to make the point that people risked $1500 on the kickstarter version of this printer, where they are not even guaranteed a machine in the first place.
If you have high risk aversion, I totally get that, but probably 100s of thousands of these machines have sold now, and there are vast numbers of spare parts sitting in warehouses in every continent on the planet.
Right to repair - Louis Rossman
Is your Tv open source, monitor, cell phone? How about your car? if you have a modern one Im sure it has a SOC that is proprietary. Do you own a 2d printer? laser or ink? Is that open?
This closed/open source gatekeeping is very odd when you are outside of the 3d printing realm looking in.
Not sure if you can take the side panels off, but enclosure is a show stopper for printing PLA ridiculously fast because (especially with heated bed, but even without) ambient will reach enough above room temperature to reduce cooling performance so it's hard to get PLA rigid in time for the next layer.
the glass can come off :)
You just leave the door cracked
@@davidberry7115 "Door cracked" is not going to get it below 35-40 inside. That's roughly halving your cooling rate.
@@daliasprints9798The glass top comes off too, and there's a really powerful fan inside the machine. There's no issues printing PLA with it even fully enclosed.
@@logitech4873 There's no way you're going to keep it under 25°C in there with the enclosure on, which is needed for printing PLA with challenging overhangs.
He sounds like a smiling friends character and I can’t get it out of my head
Everyone be like we want open source!
Same people: Apple products are amazing.
Lmao, fool
The strawman I just made up:
Meanwhile me: ender 3, has never owned and will never ever buy an apple product
Epic speed review
Lower the purge material to 0.1 instead of the default 1.0 and can reduce the amount of waste
For example
At the default 1.0 on 4 colors the slicer says 125 grams of waste
At 0.1 only 43 grams of waste and no color bleed
The default is set way too high
I have the X1 Carbon combo and use the 0.1 all the time now
To put things in perspective, 43g is a whole articulated dragon worth of waste.
Big RUclipsrs like you can really throw your weight around and actually give an honest review, perhaps even dishonest but AGAINST these companies rather than the small RUclipsrs who just cowtail to everything for a buck and some promotion.
Honestly with Orca Slicer and the printer on LAN mode I don't see a problem. There are already tons of knock off parts to buy and you don't have to only use the Micro SD card
They sell every part of printer and Amsterdam on their site for really fair prices. The p1p has been the best printer I have ever had
They sell Amsterdam?!!?!?! Sounds like they got a sweet deal with The Netherlands
You can use an FTP / SFTP client. I haven't taken my card out since
This is a bit out of date as there’s LAN mode and you can use Orca slicer and skip Bambu’s infrastructure entirely. 100% reliance on X company for spare parts warranty and support. This is speciously stated because most products are also - most things you buy you can only get spare parts from the oem for a while until they become popular enough. And who else provides warranty support for someone else’s product? as for support, I find all the support i need on Reddit and RUclips so…
Beautiful invention
I wouldn’t say minutes maybe in an hour or 2 because of first time unboxing and you really should calibrate it immediately and that takes 15 minutes i think at-least on the a1 mini
I bought an Ender3 a few years ago...It's been sitting there ever since...Yeah open source isn't for me sadly, I'm getting the P1S and sticking with it until I can upgrade.
They basically became the consumer ultimaker. This was my number one complaint with my ultimaker, you either have to get shady and go Shady places like Ali, or buy directly from distributors. This is the primary reason that I have not purchased a bamboo. My ultimaker as it has gotten older, (UM3) it has continued to stay just as expensive to replace components and even Bowden tubes which BTW, are also non-standard proprietary and must be purchased from lab supply, or ultimaker.
2 weeks new to 3D printing and I bought the X1C from microcenter with extended warranty and love it. Have made probably 3KG of stuff already because it is so fast and user friendly. Bought around 34KGs of filament too, I think I’m set for awhile lol. X1C is the iPhone of 3D printing and I love it so far, no complaints. Find myself staring through the glass as it majestically prints lightning speed
I just purchased an X1C and had a concern about the Cloud based software. That's the reason I chose an OMTech laser over the Glowforge. But, like mentioned, if Bambu goes tits up you can still print from an SD card.
The Max speed does have an affect on print quality… it will start to blob if you are printing high density items
You had a sticker on the Printhead just noticed love your vids
I have the X1 Carbon with AMS multicolor. The filament purge is so watefull more is wasted than is applied to the model. There is not much support. It is pretty much a figure it out yourself to repair faults deal. It's not that complicated. Overall I like it. Although I would like to acquire several different style printers to increase productivity
Definitely sticking with my i3 Mk3 for its open source traits.
Definitely sticking with my CoreXY X1C for its fast accurate printing, enclosure, able to print exotic materials that require enclosure. Camera, larger build area reasonably priced parts, AMS able to handle up to 16 colors/materials and I guess opensource slicer, which honestly means nothing as I am not a coder and has no direct benefit to me at all.
Just ordered mine. I’m a techie who uses Linux as a daily driver and running open source projects for everything I do. But I spend so much time hacking work projects that I’m too tired to add another project to meddle with. Give me a printer that just works. That’s all I care about at this point.
I don’t see why their SD card is more tedious than any other printer with an SD card. Having an air gap option is a must in my opinion.
Bambu SD does not permit FW upgrades. Must use network.
Probably a huge long shot. But I have a cool idea for a 3d print, and just want to see it created but I don't have the skills. Would you be interested in hear about it?
Best printer on the marked.. you can print your own design and upload it true wifi of sd card. Word perfect
Bruh mine takes like half an hour for a keycap 💀
That's a lot of filament leftovers. Wouldn't it be possible to use a shredder to make granules out of it and use an extruder to produce new upcycling multicolored filament rolls?
Yes, but a lot of the personal level solutions for that are crazy expensive or require some serious tech know-how in order to build your own. And a lot of people buying these machines are the plug and play type who want a solution that just works and don't want to deal with that kind of fiddling and tweaking.
If someone did for filament recycling what Bambu have done for the printing side, they'd likely make a killing. I've seen a few cool DIY projects, but they still require a level of skill that's beyond most Bambu customers (imo).
Here in Australia, it's pathetic trying to recycle plastics. We makers would love a simple solution where we can send old filament scraps and know it will be recycled and not thrown away. But it's just not cost-effective for someone to make that company just now.
Im fairly new to this, messing about with an ender 5 very nearly put me off 3d printing, as a reasonably tech person, the fact it came with no firmware was beyond me. Some might not get past that. The Bambu to me will definitely attract ppl that can't deal with code. That's got to be good for the game. Shame about the waste......and the price.
Tbh I see this as a typical household printer now, yeah all of their filament and software is only sold by them but everything about it is handled by them. We all complain about HP preventing you from using your own cheap cartridges but is that a price you're willing to pay for vastly better QOL/QOU? For me, yes.
You missed the max bed size is not 256x256mm as claimed unless you pretty much cripple all the features.
The X1 is the Iphone of 3D printers
I so want one of these machines!
My wallet doesnt like the bambu lab x1...
I would still totally get it.
Mine arrived today. Is amazing. I love prusa but. This is another league.
My P1s is the best FDM printer I have ever had the pleasure of using. It might not be open source but they have amazing customer support and replacement parts are very inexpensive. I will never buy another brand of FDM printer.
Yikes, right to repair is pretty important imo especially in the 3d printing space, making it only able to use their subpar software is pretty rough.
In what way is Bambu Studio "sub par"?
What can’t be repaired on it? They have all parts available and the prices are very reasonable.
Prusa Slicer isn’t subpar, it’s the industry standard - plus, you can use any slicer you want. It takes gcode like any other.
@@gpaull2the parts WILL eventually not be sold
@@gpaull2 If they go out of business, you're fked. You'll go from having an expensive printer to an expensive piece of scrap metal
There is lanmode which through local network and not cloud and no need for local sd card
Closed source systems are pretty common among industrial 3D printing, hobbyists are upset but it’s really just what most companies do that aren’t making the lowest cost 3D printer on the market.
Thanks bro was trying to make my mind up haja
To be fair this thing is going to change the 3D printing market making it accessible to all whilst creating more competition in the sector. Its proprietary nature isnt really an issue as anything can be hacked.
DJI buts its a 3D printer
Horrible client service... I paid the printer a few weeks, sent them an email for VAT return... didn't get any answer back or any printer so far... when I get the printer I hope that I won't need any services from them with this response time...
I love my bambu printers!!
No 3D printer is ever perfect
U don't need that purge tower, this is not a Prusa
Everyone is saying so many great things about Bambulabs printers, which are definitely true, but no one has ever mentioned the fact how many plastic going to be wasted, which is not nearly eco-friendly. Instead of batching prints by color, most of bambulabs printer users will use filament switching. It completely denies what additive manufacturing intended to achieve - unnecessary waste
It also has local mode with an api key , i am usong it with home assistant , si if the cloud goes down you can use that , fyi
I haven’t done the multi color yet. I’m waiting for more orange to come in cause oh boy those samples did not last long lol
Hey, that's exactly what I hate about the Creality app, they have at least that in common! 😁
Only reason I haven't purchased one is spare parts availability especially in 5 or even 10 years and reports of terrible support from bambu labs. With all pf my other 3d printers ive been able to upgrade them, change them as necessary to keep them printing years after the company stopped making them. I just don't see going strong 8 years from now unless the community gets heavily involved.
X1C vs P1S? What justified the difference? My P1S gets everything detailed in the vid for a lower price
Guess not for me! Voronnnnn
The spare parts are really cheap. I thought that’s how they will get you but no. The prices are under what I thought they would be
Why not compare the waste and ease of use of other multi-color printers?
Pre-ordered my X1-C yesterday. End of March is ETA.
How is it so far? Getting my p1p before August
Didnt they announce they're going open source?
Prusa XL is the real deal
So what's the printer for me? I want to print fast and nice on a low budget.
Came to Bambu from using PRUSA for years. Best decision ever
Everyone complains about closed system, but seems to fail to recognize that 99% of everything we use everyday at home and work is pretty darn closed. Very few open source microwaves out there but the majority work just fine
I was almost sold but a proprietary ecosystem really is a deal breaker.
Is there anything stopping someone else from creating spare parts for the bambu lab printers? Of course nobody is gonna do that unless lots of people buy the printers.
@@atnfn There is already 3rd party parts cropping up. of course the 1st party parts are reasonably priced though.
And those are what? 1:00
an infinite loop of youtube shorts 😫
buying part for repairs? check! , no problems in printing? check! , open sorce kewls allways dumb? check! best bambolab printers!!!!!
How is the AMS "complex, time consuming and wasteful"? 🧐
every colour change requires a retract, reload and purge. lots to go wrong between hundreds of layers doing that!
@@MakersMuse Are you saying those have to be done manually? Or is it all auto when printing a multi coloured object?
Lmao why not include a USB port?
Because it's old tech
Minuetes? Its more like a hour due to how u needa unscrew the ams plate.
no fully try there are companies now that are making mods for the printer just have to give it more time it is still pretty new
I love my p1s, replacement parts aren't outrageous. What kind of open source benefit could I want?
i will say the bambu lab shop is super cheap and some people even make brackets for another 3d printer to use those better and cheaper parts
The price
What about the Anker M5
What sort of multi material system doesnt have those drawbacks?
IDEX or tool swapping systems, you can just park each hot end without purging.
Bet that thing makes great gun parts.
Saying micro SD is tedious to use seems like a bit of a reach
Chameleon works with the bambu
In my opinion, 3D printing advancements were only possible because of open source projects.