Bambu Lab X1 Carbon VS P1P 3D Printer Review
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2023
- The X1 and P1P are the hottest new 3D printers from Shenzhen start up Bambu Lab - but could they be the best 3D Printer of 2023?
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Angus, can you do a review of the massive pile of crap that is the Cetus2 that just got sent out to kickstarter backers?
Good haircut. Beginning of a professional taken seriously.
did you notice 998K subscribers?
I wish the X1 carbon didn't come with the AMS due to how much the AMS tacks on
I was told I was selected for a Bambu Handy... not sure what that's about.
This was an awesome review. Also a HUGE thank you for calling out the toxicity and gatekeeping that can happen in 3d printing communities. I always hated the "just read the manual" mentality.
Especially since, personally, I found the documentation around the web to be kind of lacking.
I've made my own little contribution to the space, and it's surprising to me that even all these years later I still get lots of people coming to take a look at my little wiring diagram because there really isn't much else out there that lays things out.
It's obviously lots of good sources out there but not for every single little thing that you're going to want to do.
my chinese fdm printer came with no manual lol (neither did my elegoo saturn for that matter, but that printer is literally plug and play...)
@@SJ-co6nk I had a very strange issue with my first ender printer, and only the most basic knowledge on where to look for the answer. Many awesome people tried to help, but no luck. Turns out it was a bad board, so I returned it under Amex's 30-day policy. Then I noticed months later that someone had posted a similar issue, and I was stoked that I could help them. Like yay my suffering has a small amount of meaning now because it will help someone find an answer to their problem lol.
I get that people need to chill out but at the same time people really need to help themselves. Do some research and not expect to be spoon fed. Someone is new I send them the link to Thomas sanlander beginner videos and then to the S3D printer quality trouble shooting guide. Why answer a question when it is just going to result in 59 more that already been answered ? Answer it then give them to tools and guidance to start them on there path. The whole use the search function does nothing along with telling them how many times its been posted. Answer it then give them the tool's and guidance. Don't spoon feed them help them.
@@uberwootage Pretty much. When you're brand new to a hobby you often won't know the terms to look up or diagnose your problem in the first place. So when new people ask those questions, don't act like they're stupid, show them the resources to learn more. It's the age old "teach a person to fish" adage.
The X1-C is a really cool machine. It automates a lot of the bells and whistles the community has been refining and painstakingly calibrating in. If the company has staying power, their printers will revolutionize the prosumer segment. We need more tool printers.
After looking at the reviews and comparisons of P1P vs X1C, it comes to the conclusion that lidar is not needed, because comparing to printed models, they say that it is the same.
@@user-fy9be1ue1t It's more or less the same frame, toolhead and motion system. If you have good data from one machine you can apply it to the other.
Where the preestablished numbers fall apart is in third party filaments or larger mass changes to the toolhead. The P1P gets away with not needing the lidar because the X1C has it.
@@dtaggartofRTD It's not more or less it's actually less. If you're really only going to be doing PLA prints the P1P is the better one but if you plan on using engineering grade filaments it's no question better to just go for the X1C. Yeah you can go through the trouble of upgrading all the options but it will end up costing nearly the same thing.
@@PLr1c3rdoes the X1C have something specific over the X1 that makes it more capable of printing engineering grade materials? I'm considering getting one of these, but I have no need for the AMS system. Would the X1 itself be able to print , for example, some type of CF or Nylon material without the need for the X1C?
I've been printing for several years. I'm a hobbyist, who has little time to tinker and chase results. I bought the X-1 carbon, it's the very first fff printer that is simple, it's as easy as a microwave and quality is better than any other fff printer I've used. 100% endorse it.
What quality? Of a printer? Or what printer prints? Cuz if you are talking about how it prints than I would disagree.
I expected much better print quality. In many cases I like my crappie cr6se prints better. Mine x1 carbon is a perfect ringing producing machine. And people at BL are no help at all. Remind me of creality.
Happy for you buddy
@Rights dont come with Permits So far (1 week in) we are having different outcomes. I am only prin5ing at standard speed. Much faster an I can't get the next design done in time
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 Do you have the AMS, if you do have you placed it on top of the printer? I just watched another youtuber that found out that having the AMS on the printer results in ringing. Another reason had something to do with the carbon rods needing cleaning. Just incase either of those would help. I don't have the printer so no personal experience.
I would say my Prusa Mini+ achieves the exact same thing for me. It was my first printer that 'just works'. Prusa have been like this for a while. Just the X1 has more advanced features which have been on Voron printers for a while, now in a commercial ready built package. I commend them for it, but I would prefer an open source platform which is easier to repair.
There will probably come a point eventually when the X1s start breaking. Then the hobby community will hopefully come to the rescue and reverse engineer a lot of the parts/sensors, so a 3rd party mainboard could be dropped in, and any other part printed to fix it.
"3D printing as a hobby, not a tool" That was a distinction that I didn't understand when I bought an Ender 3. I put so much time into that machine trying to get it to be the slightest bit reliable but after a year and half I gave up and bought a Sidewinder X2 (based on a suggestion on this channel) and hobby vs tool makes so much more sense to me now. There were a few calibrations I had to do with the X2, but thanks to all my struggles with the Ender 3, I could diagnose and fix them almost immediately and now I have a functional machine that I can use to actually create what I want which is why I bought one in the first place. It actually even ended up being cheaper than the Ender 3 after all the aftermarket replacements and upgrades I made to that hunk of junk.
I got the same sidewinder X2 as my second printer after owning an Adventurer 3. In my case I went from just worrying about design to wasting a lot of filament printing calibration cubes and benchies to tune it. Yes, one can say I’m learning about tuning it, but I feel I’m not focusing so much on designing, which is my main hobby. I’m a bit concerned about it’s durability over time.
Also, I was really impressed by some lacks on the ever-praised Prusa and Cura slicers. Some things like thin walls or sculptures get weird results which annoys me,
In other words, my next printer will be a Bambu Labs for sure. I want something fast, reliable and predictable, so I can focus again on designing and creating.
I respect those who enjoy tinkering and replacing parts, and I hope they respect us who want other things to invest our time on.
Sidewinder X1 was my first printer i bought about 3 years ago, bought another one a year later. both have been reliable, recently had to replace stepper drivers on both and decided to do several upgrades. it was fairly easy, being able to learn from other sidewinder users and their experiences and also the availability of parts. I'm looking for a machine to do multi-color/material prints and was considering the X1, but i think I'll hold off, till it's been out for a while longer.
@Buzás András I would have to diasagree. I have (5) Ender 5 Pro's and 1 Ender 3 Max. I've printed over 6,000 pieces in the last year and a half, and other than normal maintanence, they just work. The initial setup and Maintanence are super important though...
@@raymondeskridge834 I don't know if you are lying or not but my personal experience has been ender 3 and ender 3 like machines are not reliable at all and I can never make more than 10 prints in a row. I wanna get the bambu X1 carbon because people have been talking very good about it and someone send me the print time on the machine 1200 hours without any failure i want to make a small business for some extra money and ender 3 like machines are just not it I waste more money and time I was thinking the problem was me until I bought different machines and I see now the problem is the cheap machines
@@michaelperez6811 If you go back and re-read my response you will see that a VAST Majority of my prints are on Ender 5 Pros. I now have (5) Ender 5 Pros and (1) Ender 5 Plus. I purchased the Ender 5 Plus for the size and sold the Ender 3 Max. This way almost all of my parts are the same for all of my printers. My next printer will be a Bambu. I will change from Ender (Creality) because of quality. I never mentioned that I had to buy over (20) Printers to end up with 6 that work. They either die in the first month, or run perfectly.
Thanks as always for the effort you put in. You kept 3d printers on my radar for like 5 years and we joined the game with an ender 3 and an M5 in December.
Cheers! That's a good combo, I like to keep an ender 3 on hand for tinkering and experimental stuff so I don't break the more expensive printers.
@@MakersMuse Same here, I finally purchased my 1st 3d printer (E3v2 neo) at the beginning of December. I woke up one Sunday morning (the Black Friday weekend) and I said to myself: "that's it, I will bite the bullet today" :)
After a bit of rushed online research that morning I found and I bought Angus' "Purchasing your First 3D Printer" course (thank you very much Angus!) and I decided to go with the E3v2 Neo (thanks Creality for having such a confusing large number of similarly named printers - it took me hours to get an idea of what's actually what). I went with this one since people had generally good things to say about it and it also didn't break my bank. I certainly wasn't ready to spend close to, or even over one grand for a hobby I wasn't sure about.
I wish this video would have been available back then though, as soon after I got upgrade fever and I ended up spending too much time reading and watching and learning and researching for the "right" upgrades when in fact all I wanted to begin with was the "inkjet printer experience": just print it (well). Adding the cost for the actual parts, plus the value of my time, I would have been better off starting with one of these 2 printers instead. But I guess I am at least a bit more knowledgeable now than I would have been with one of these.
Still struggling to find out exactly what parts I need to order to build an enclosure for it since I'm not a fan (no pun intended!) of breathing in all the chemical fumes it puts out, and I have to say I am not enjoying this part at all. Got a quote from a local company to build me a 50x60x60 cm enclosure out of 6mm clear policarbonate sheets - "only" half a grand (euro)! I think it just puts into perspective the value for money these printers offer.
Question for Angus, if you ever see this comment: what would be a good test for the accuracy of the Z axis? I.e. if the gantry is mounted at exactly 90 degrees to the XY plane and if the Z axis screw is not bent. It suffered an accident the other day - it fell WITH the table it was sitting on and it landed on its back side 😱, bending the spool holder. Otherwise it looks ok and it appears to be printing ok but I'd really like to go through a good test or two to give me some confidence. Cheers!
I honestly trust you more then any other 3d printing youtuber, you could have made the video when their was a lot of hype but you waited, much apricated.
Cheers! It's tempting to cover these new products while they're in crowdfunding stages but there's just been too many scams and failures unfortunately. You can't rush a review, and the "pre production" units they send are often completely different to what backers finally receive (if anything).
@@MakersMuse good Example is the 3d printing Nerds review of this same printer
almost 8 months ago!!! anything 3d printer from kickstarter will almost always need
up grades. I have at lease 4 3d printers from the early days from kickstarter still sitting in my storage that never worked and a waist of money to say the leased !!!
Thanks for taking the time to review this printer. You covered my exact use case for this printer. This printer is specifically a tool for me. I just want to print without having to think too much about it. I wish the rude 3d printer "gatekeepers" could understand that.
I've done the custom printer thing, I understand how they work -- but I'm tired of upgrading my printer so I can print better parts for my printer. I was spending more time tweaking the printer than making useful things.
Similar, I just donated my 4 Ender 5 s to our local school so I had room for my two new Bambu. Now I have two Rat Rigs along side the Bambu, a great combination
Very keen on this, and very happy to see my favourite 3d printing youtuber do an honest review! I've been doing printing as a hobby since the Anet A8 *Shudders* and have seen marked improvements, but I'm very excited to have a printer that just works. Happy to modify and tweak my Tronxy, but this will be a lifesaver when I just need a print done no fuss
Great video, as always. Congrats on hitting the 1 million mark on your subs, really well done, you deserve it so much.
Great Video Angus! Love the comparison and I am glad you added the part at the end about all the drama. It needed to be addressed as a lot of new people coming in have a lot to learn, but also came into the hobby because of how easy it is to get in now with these machines! We shouldn't be demonizing them, we should be accepting them into the community and helping them learn no matter what printer they are starting on!
Im tired of fighting my ender 3 id love just an auto do all thebleveling stuff i just eant awwsome print quality lol
Props for sticking up for the newbies. We were ALL there once!
I’ve been waiting for this review and comparison for so long as I just knew it would be free of any bias, avoid the drama and really go in depth into the machine, it’s capabilities and thoughts of the future.
I have to admit, it was great seeing just how excited you came across about how this could really change the landscape and made 3D Printing accessible beyond the realm of tinkers and engineers.
Been waiting for your review on this printer... great review as always. I've owned one since the kickstarter and have really enjoyed used it. The AMS, which scales out to 16 colors - is simply fantastic. A true game changing machine.
oh man angus, I was waiting for a review from you about the bambu printers :) Thanks a lot and greetings from germany
I always appreciate your detailed and thoughtful reviews. You always find points no one else talks about
Awesome review. You're spot on when you say some people view their printers as a tool, not as a hobby. I've wasted (in my opinion) countless hours adjusting on my Ender. While I've learned a lot, I prefer working on my prints.
This review from you is what I have been waiting for!
I’ve had the X1C since the Kickstarter and it has been revolutionary. I’m learning more about 3d modeling/CAD because it’s now just expected that I’ll have whatever I’m designing in my hands that day. The X1C is a tool that just works.
For multicolor prints, I have turned the purge settings to 0 and only use the purge tower (make it smaller as well). This helped a lot on waste. Additionally, I try to print multiple prints at once. The waste is the same for 1 or 3 copies and the time increase is very minimal since most of it is spent switching colors.
It would be a great follow up video of you modifying the X1C to make is quieter. 😂
TBH, this review was extremely superficial. It omited SO many useful details, such as the power of the software, the quality of the company's support, the ease of setting up multicolour, the noise level, the awkwardness of actually USING the micro sd slot, and more.
@@matbroomfield People often mention the noise, but for me I think the x1c is quieter than my Qidi X-plus, for about a 5 fold increase in speed, and much better print quality. I've been really happy with the upgrade, the only blot is that TPU can't be used with the AMS.
I've also improved a lot my skills with 3d modeling thanks to this printer... Because of the reliability that you can expect from the printer... If you design it.. be sure you'll have it in your hands very fast
@@DisorderedArray agreed, the inability to use TPU with the AMS is my primary reason for not buying one. Hopefully BL will release an AMS v2 that can handle flexible filaments soon.
@@DisorderedArray It makes less vibration noise but MUCH more fan noise than many printers. I don't use TPU, but I could see why it might be problematic with the AMS and its convoluted feed path. Wouldn't be so bad if it was quick to switch between that and the spool feeder.
I love how in-depth and honest you are in your reviews!
Great video as always! My P1P / AMS are on the way, and I have a pre-order in for the X1C, can't wait to check them out!
I don't see this mentioned anywhere else, so I'll just point out that the X1C at least can also print in LAN mode - it gives you an access code that you put into BambuSlicer, and then you have a non-cloud based wireless connexion. You need the cloud for initial registration but you can switch to LAN after. I print like this not because I'm worried about the cloud but because I live in Canada where the internet is stupid expensive and I don't want to waste my limited bandwidth on comms between devices eight metres apart. (The mobile app doesn't work in LAN mode, though.)
Thank you for the pushback on the gatekeepers, too! As one of those "I don't want to build the damn thing I just want it to work" people I get very fed up at the folks who insist you need to be able to build a printer.
Also - I used to fix laser printers for a living. I'd say the knowledge needed for the X1 and a big office printer are similar. 90% of the time it's basically zero, but sometimes you'll need a bit more technical skill. The difference, of course, is that Xerox, Lexmark, and HP have huge world-wide networks of certified technicians and parts warehouses, and Bambu doesn't yet.
Finally: your CAD for newbies videos got me confident enough in Fusion 360 that I was able to design and print a new music stand for a Yamaha electric piano when the OEM broke. Thank you for that!
I have heard about the LAN mode, how do you set that up? This might be a good video for MM to make.
I think Prusa already has taken notice. With a recent survey they put out the questions seemed to be all directed at what Bambu Lab is doing now for their next printer. Great video and I am loving my X1C.
The Prusa XL looks pretty promising. If they can add some LiDAR system and faster speed capabilities it I think it could easily compete with bamboo. I’m also instredted in seeing how ankers color changing system ends up working out
@@breckiam The Prusa XL does look promising indeed. I hope that they'll bring the new tech from the XL to a new mid sized printer soon, though. The i3 MK3S+ may still be a great printer, but it's beginning to look a little dated.
It's awesome seeing the tech advance this much. I've been into it for about 3-4 years now, wish I got into it sooner... love my Prusa, but I've definitely got my eye on one of these as my next 3DP
Wow! Total new to 3d printers and your Chanel is absolutely ideal for me! Thank you so much for the wealth of knowledge and insight into the subject.
I bought an x1c with 2 AMS units in September, got it around Dec. My AMS units were the updated variant, and they seem reliable so far. I have issues with the purged filament getting stuck but I also haven't spent much time fixing it.
The printer has been amazing for me so far, I tinkered with printers for the last 8 years, I just wanted something that works. This so far has fit the bill!
The Facebook group is very toxic, but the discord is much much better.
Great review. The x1 may be what this hobby needs. A kick in the pants to drive advances in 3d printing. X1 is showing what can be done. Another step towards a star trek replicator. So sweet!
All the info that I was searching for, once again, thank you. And, Yes, we need more printers like that
Thank you first of all, I love your attitude about empowering new users! I have been hands on with hobbyist 3D printing since 2014 having owned 8 printers from XYZ and Ender models to my current Elegoo and AnkerMake systems. I have had more struggles than successes in that time and I still experience headaches and frustration, but I will say with every new competitor on the scene bringing real innovation actual effort the hobby as a whole gets more enjoyable.
Thankyou, been mulling over which machine I want to get into 3D printing and had landed on the p1p but was worried it's price point would cause quality issues. You've made my choice easy
I just have to say, I think the way you do what you do and the way you do it is impeccable; your in depth descriptions and explanations are perfect, regardless of ability or experience you manage to speak to everyone and not only that but you have experience!
Simply excellent,
Cheers!
Hey! i first found this channel because I had a question about my 3-D printer. I'm new to 3-D printing, and I love learning about new things! i love ur videos, and I hope u keep up the good work! also, I hope you can get to 1 million a soon as possible! 😊
This was a great and balanced review. I have two Prusas, a P1P and an X1C. I love them all - and at the end of the day they are just printers, not a religion.
Hi ... honestly, which one do you think is better between the Prusa i3 MK3S+ and the X1C ? Thanks
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@@zapdawg Why ? 😞
i also have a MK3S+ is there much benefit to upgrading to a X1 carbon and selling my prusa off?
Thank you sir! I've been waiting for a good comparison review as I have been debating daily on which one I am going to purchase. Keep up the great content!
Scott, If you can afford the extra cost, I would recommend the X1 Carbon with AMS. I have both the X1 and P1P and the X1 with the enclosure can print almost any material. The AMS works, but best with fewer color changes, it is crazy how much time it takes to respool and then load the new color.
@@woodwaker1 Thank you for your input David - I sincerely appreciate it! I'm a hobbyist and tinkerer, never have printed anything beyond PLA/PETG, hence that's why I was considering the P1P. However, with that said, I'd rather have the *option* to print these than not because I suspect I may do so in the future. The P1P is also available in my country for immediate delivery + the complete free accessories (camera, light, fan) but I'm still leaning to the X1C...
@@scottdawsonphd9216 The P1P is a good printer, but in my opinion the X1 Carbon is a GREAT printer - look at my channel woodwaker1
Always enjoy your videos and will continue to watch them all
Fantastic video Angus! your content is changing with the times, informative & to the point. Fair as usual. Not too many honest channels @ 1m subs man well done 👏
Fantastic video and I can’t believe how much you managed to pack into it in 15 mins 🤯
There is still so much more to discuss too!!! 😂
I see so many Uncle Jessy comments everywhere and it's gotta be such smart marketing.
Some people are playing checkers, meanwhile Uncle Jessy over here is putting in valuable work just browsing his subscriptions.
No hate about it btw, as it's not even like they arent just making regular comments (since I know tone is hard over the internet). I just find it funny and thought to comment on it. I'm surprised I haven't seen more people catch on and follow suit. I would also be really curious about how effective it is.
"Grow up" they indeed should, but I see the exact same behavior in any hobby. Seems to be a thing people do, my solution is to just block those and carry on. :) Regarding Bambu, I think it's very nice for competition and people that just want to print. I'm the same, but can tinker and I will never choose a device (where possible) that it tied down. To be able to exhange parts that are more generic is so much better for the future.
I'm so happy you did this review!! I've been looking at this machine ever since i learned about it. I started with a Print R bot then went to an Ultimaker and have stayed there since and honestly i can't wait to place my order for the X1. With all its features and still half the price as the Ultimaker 9 years ago! Thanks again for the review as i know its genuine.
Thank you Angus, among all the videos I have seen around about BambuLab's products, yours is the one that uses the more common sense and what I find a perfect attitude towards the technology and the community. After all I read around in this months, your video was a sort of relief. Well done. Also, I have an X1C with AMS and I completely share all your points. Thanks again and have a great one!
Great video! I've been using a CR-10 for almost five years now and even though I learned a ton from the machine I've always been limited in what I could do, particularly with more exotic and expensive filaments for the fear of wasting half of the spool fine tuning and troubleshooting it. The Prusa MK3 has always been in my bucket list because sometimes you really do need a printer that just works, but its looking like the P1P might be taking that spot, especially if they can fix those minor issues you pointed out.
After klipper my cr6 se is better than ever. And I like print quality of cr6 more than x1 carbon especially when you count in a price.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 I don't have Kliipper and will have to try it with my CR-6 SE. Even without Klipper I get amazing prints.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 you aren’t going to be printing at 500mm/a though
@@phimuskapsi I was one of the backers on kickstarter. So I could be printing at 500mms. In my opinion print quality of x1c is so-so. Especially on the corners. X1c has way to much smoothing for my liking. All the corners not sharp like supposed to be but rounded. So what is the point of all that speed if dimensional quality suffers big time? And I can get faster print times on my cr10sprov2 if we compare 0.6 nozzles and bigger, since I have rapido hotend and can have flow of over 50mm³ so x1c is not that fast of the machine 🤷♂️.
Voron 0.1 is way better in this regard and cheaper. And you could customize it however you wants. Plus mine printers are in the bedroom next to mine where I sleep. And x1c is a very loud machine. Even being in the same room for long gets really tiring from all that stepper noise. And even when I slow it way way down it is still way louder than my creality printers.
Other day I was printing voronoi vase and x1c failed miserably(and I had waisted all day trying) in quality over my cr6se wich printed almost perfect compared to x1c.
Plus I already replaced few thing under warranty. And now waiting on the new bed cuz mine is like a bowl. It is unacceptable for a printer that costs 1200$ it is that much worse than mine creality beds.(wich I thought wasn't good lol, its perfect now compared to x1c).
The qc is pretty poor. And it is all thanks to x1c I went with klipper and now I really love it and regretting that I had purchased x1c.
Just my personal opinion.
Happy printing!
@@reasonablebeing5392 ohh you definitely should. But im not sure about sonic pad. I have one ok two because I'm having problems with the first one and creality sent me a new one. (Kudos to them didn't expect that level of support from creality) but I'm having same problems with a new one also. While my rpi gives me no problems at all. So now I'm going to put sonic pads for sale. Hopefully will get my $ back and some more. Lol.
The Carbon was going to be my 1st 3d printer but I had to cancel my order to save money. Super glad to hear you address the toxicity that I would have seen as a newbie coming in to the space
Agree with the sentiment. I actually haven't seen much of it personally as somebody new, but he mentioned the Facebook group and I haven't been on there. I've found the discord to be fairly well moderated. The subreddit seems ok as well. Of course you get some drama, but I see that in every hobby. It isn't acceptable, but I wouldn't give up those communities over it on the balance.
Personally I think the main reason to consider something else would be if you want something moddable or a kit you can build. Of course the company is also new.
I wanted first and foremost a printer that could print functional parts reliably, and I feel very happy with the X1C. Prusa would be another good choice, but it is basically the same price if you want an enclosure and hardened nozzle, and that's without AMS.
Really though I think a rising tide raises all boats and I'm hoping these printers inspire competition. I'd love to see these features in a more open platform, and of course I doubt Bambulab will be just sitting around waiting...
I’m getting my xc1 tomorrow it’s be my first 3D printer. I’m excited cause 3D printing always been in the back of my mind and I been saving up for one. I don’t know what to expect so if you got any tips and info on 3D modeling let me know please and also how is the xc1?
Great review. Thanks for the insights. Mine will be on order very soon... 🙂
Just a Well Done. Excellent review, well balanced and timing/vid/face. Nailed it. Thank you. Very much enjoyed!
You may a very good point about the community side of things. I have been 3D printing for well before any Ender was on the market - when you had to import Makerbot clones from China around 8 or 9 years ago. The sub Reddit for the printing community I have been a member of for donkeys years is very much toxic to Bambu at the moment, anyone posting a print or question is met with being called out as "marketing" and that they got given their printers to "influence" and similar. It's complete nonsense, like many I bought mine because I want to 3D print things - not mess about with the printer (been there and done that, spent more time tinkering with my various printers than printing!) - the Bambu is a game-changer if you want to get on with an engineering task rather than printing yet another modification part for your Ender 3. Great and honest review as always.
There are many things to like or dislike about these printers (I own one and it's great), but one thing I noticed is more than any other company, people seem to latch onto every issue this company has and blow it out of the water.
Bambulab has defective parts? "OMG SEEEE! SEEEE! THEY'RE GUNNA FAIL!!!". Prusa has defective parts? "we sleep".
Bambu has some small usability issue? "SEEE! ITS JUST AS HARD AS EVERYTHING ELSE!". Meanwhile prusa still has you live adjust Z, manually tune linear advance and voron are a whole different story (none of which makes them bad I want to clarify).
Bambu costs more than a ln I3? "WOW SO EXPENSIVE!!". Meanwhile they're happy paying X1 Carbon AMS Combo prices for an i3 in an official enclosure that has no camera, no wifi, no smart auto features, and that prints 3x slower at the same quality.
Bambu has a not even a real problem thermal runaway issue where the fix is changing one number "SEE! WE CAN'T TRUST THEM!". Prusa recently having to fix a thermal runaway issue on the mk3s with a new algorithm? "wow look how good they are!".
Its just an annoying amount of double standards when I feel they just aren't addressing the real honest reasons they are biased against the company. Many of those reasons are even perfectly valid (like closed source, country of origin policies, no knowledge of long term reliability, support which is second class to prusas support)
They are fine with every cheap i3 clone, or even the not cheap ones but it's like this one bugs them for a number of unfair reasons.
I feel like some enthusiasts hate it because they feel like it's going to take away from their niche elitist voron club by making the same speeds and quality accessible. I feel like some people just have really strong brand loyalty to the old guard in prusa and rather than hoping prusa competes want to tear down this company for trying and succeeding. I feel like some people hate that this company is pushing a proprietary product that is actually good and might make people more accepting of proprietary.
Only the last of these is really somewhat fair.
I think the people in these categories really need to reflect on what they are mad about and whether it makes sense.
For voron folks, enthusiasts will still exist because you can't mod these printers. Sure the print quality and speed is no longer an exclusive club but your club itself hasn't changed.
For prusa people they should ask themselves why a company was even able to dunk so hard and whether prusa has really been giving it their all or if they've been putting good attainable printers on the back burner for other fancy projects (filament manufacture, the pro xl, acquisitions etc).
For the folks who hate proprietary, well I'm one of you too though obviously not as strongly opinionated given that I bought one. For you, I will just say that while it's true, and not good, I think that the innovation here will still end up pushing a new standard for open source printers as well.
All in all I think a lot of people should relax because these printers won't take everything over. Surely other companies will compete and gain similar features and that's, I think, a net positive.
That being said I still think there is a lot to complain about. Closed source firmware, nonsense cloud interactions for what could be local (instead of inconvenient sneakernet), updates without internet access etc etc.
That really became a long rant, and if I'm honest I'm procrastinating, but I think I probably made some sense in there somewhere.
Great video. I've come back to 3D printing after some 'upgrades' caused more trouble than I had time to fix. Now the machine is running well and your videos really help. I think it's interesting what you say about 3D printing as hobby vs 3D printing to print. The post-hobby world will be more about the making and projects than tweaks and upgrades.
Thanks for yet another great video.
And thanks for teling people to grow up - a lot of harshness out there.
BTW - kudos on continuing to improve your videos and presentation
You can use the infill as a “purge tower”
Good review Angus. The first time I heard about the AMS issue.
The toxicity of hard-core printer "experts" is really strange. I wonder if they were born with all their knowledge.
Thanks Angus. Love my X1C so far. After only weeks I've already printed more complicated prints than years with my Creality CR10s Pro V2.
Love the new haircut! Very handsome. Thanks for the review too. I have been looking at the X-1 Carbon, and your reviews have always been thorough and reliable.
Great video Angus! I agree we all need to be nicer to those who are learning and not be gate-keepers. The more makers there are, the more and better printer selections we will have as consumers.
Absolutely love my X1-C a massive upgrade from my upgraded ender 3 that I’ve been using for the past 3 years. Such an easy experience too! Insane speeds and quality, noisy compared to the ender 3 with noctua fans, but a worthwhile trade.
Also nice haircut Angus!
"Also nice haircut Angus!" - hahahha, Awesome!
Love your videos Angus! Thank you.
I love my prusa MINI its been mostly problem free but I change colors frequently at least 10 times a day. I started to look at the options and seeing the AMS system of bambulab got me hooked immediately. Im not into multi color printing but having 4 spools at the top ready to print is a huge game changer for me. Honestly I was preparing to get a MK3s but looks like im getting a carbon with AMS. Thank you for the review
I hope Bambu Makes it too...They are the first innovative company in a while...The industry needs a mover and shaker.
Had an Ender v2 for a little over a year. It was decent… but decided I was just tired of it constantly needing tweaking it. Picked up a P1P over Christmas and have loved the ease of use. The value proposition is fantastic right now. Just ordered AMS and am looking forward to using it. This printer far ahead of all the clones out there.
Exact same with me! I was spending more time tinkering with my Ender 3 Pro than actually printing. It was fun for a while, but I really just wanted something that worked out of the box now.
P1P has been great for that. I've had some minor issues with first layer adhesion, but those are usually resolved by just restarting the print.
@@joshbasho was the same for me until klipper, in a last month I printed way more on cr6 than x1 carbon.
My carbon is nothing but ringing. And loud as hell. I'm pretty sure my next one is going to be vzbot.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 Have you put the X1 on a sturdy surface which doesn't move with the printer? Or have you put it somewhere else without re-calibrating? I've been pushing out prints a lot in the past 2 weeks and have not seen any ringing at all. Print quality is incredible.
@@rba42 lol. Yeah blame the user. Yes I can follow the instructions. Plus bl did run investigation and told me that is how core xy prints. And their printer is no exception. In this video he shows a white owl that he printed and its full with polygon lines, most of my prints have it and even all with straight lines. Every 2mm there is a huge line. If you call that quality, lol than good for you enjoy it. I don't like that. I believed thier hype, and bought it. The only what makes me feel better is I got it on kickstarter, so saved some $s. And my x1 suck with tpu.
@@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073 those polygon lines are because the STL is low polygon count. Bambulab Studio supports STP files which have real arcs and no steps, maybe give that a try. Not any ringing here from my X1C
Excellent review. thank you for your detailed information.
Also, great job giving a drama free explanation of the drama.
Almost to a Million subs. Good for you, you deserve it.
When you mentioned the whole toxicity towards the 3D printing newcomers, that bothered me too. I've known mechanical engineers with 20+ years of experience and were some of the smartest people I knew that would come to me with questions when it came to 3D printing. I was more than happy to answer their questions no matter how "basic" they seemed to be. To me, that's just the right thing to do, not berate someone for not knowing. Everyone has to start somewhere, no one is excluded from that fact.
A very good review as usual. Thanks. I am still on the fence about Bambu Labs due to the closed design and other reviews mentioning that this is a very loud printer. The parts are reasonably price. For the moment I will continue to tinker and upgrade my Creality CR10S.
Dave.
It is quite loud especially when printing at full speed, definitely need to have it in another room or ideally workshop.
As always great job! Thank you for addressing the drama as well!
Thank you for the awesome review! I’m really considering the P1P.
Spot on, especailly RE: the community. I've noticed even in the prusa facebook communities hobbiest makers are ruthless to newcomers who just bought a prusa to print with. Newcomers get ridiculed and told to 'go build one' or 'put in your time' which is terrible. Making this space more accessible to people who are enthusiastic and not necessarily deep hobbyists/enthusiasts is good for all of us (mostly) - happy you and others are being clear about that. Hopefully our maker peers take note and treat others with more respect - great video as always!
My very first printer was a Zortrax M200 over 7 years ago. Completely proprietary system, super easy to use. Was printing perfect prints in 30 min. Can hit print and walk away, didn't have to watch the first layer, make adjustments, none of that and was ABS. I thought that was all normal, then got the original CR-10 when it first came out and realized I knew nothing about 3d printing. Lol. I have 5 fdm printers and to this day, the Zortrax is still my favorite. It's nice to just slice, hit print and know your print is going to come out right without a ton of tinkering.
I have been looking at these 2 printers for the last week as a replacement for my ender-3, one thing I have learned is that I have grown to dislike tinkering with the printer itself, and thus would love a printer that "just works"
My ender 3 is at that state now, but it took a lot of work to get there, and I fear the day it stops just working.
Im at the same point as you, my Ender 3 Pro is getting 4 Years old now and ive been messing with it for the last few weeks, modifying updating testing different slicer settings to get the perfect print but, slow process, and the Bambu Lab printers have really gotten me interested in Buying a new one, now which one should i choose X1C or P1P, i think ill see how thinks goes, more reviews and after my military service i think ill go for one
I almost bailed on 3d printing as a resource because of all the screwing around I had to do with my first printer, an Ender-5. I took the plunge on the X1C (without AMS) and in just over a month blew through my backlog of "things to print." Right at this moment it's sitting idle because I can spit out parts faster than I can do anything with them. It cost me almost a months wages (I got Kickstarter pricing) and it was completely worth it.
It's not perfect, there have been a few issues - most of which were user error, like slicing with the wrong build plate or failing to drop the part to the print bed and ignoring the warnings or turning off the internal lamp and then printing with black filament on a greasy black bed and having spaghettie detection fail because the camera couldn't see anything. A couple were just "this is weird" and cycling the power made them go away. One involved tech support, which was very quick and willing to escalate to Shenzhen when the bloke in Texas hit the end of their knowledge. (I'm in Canada.) But *none* of the problems required me to break out a screwdriver. I make no promises about 5 years from now, but just at the moment? if all you want is to transform your imagination into physical objects, it's a very good machine indeed. IMO, of course.
@@davydatwood3158 Thanks for your honest feedback, just printing things is what i want, because always setting up the Ender is getting annoying, i want fast, realiable, good prints, without much tinkering and i think this machine will change a lot in the 3D Printing world
@@davydatwood3158 was that biggest issue something you would eventually figure out yourself or was the tech support necessary?
@@pavulon5000 The slicer suddenly decided it wasn't going to launch on my computer, and it also wouldn't uninstall. Someone more knowledgeable about Windows probably could have figured it out, but it was beyond my skills.
I haven't heard of anyone else having this problem, though, so it seems safe to say it wasn't widespread. There's been two updates to the slicer since and the issue never came back.
Beautiful, candid review. I have loved watching all your videos and have learned so much from you. With the many copycat printer designs out there, I agree with you, this is refreshing that someone has some solid goals of making a more affordable tool that companies can just use! Hope to see more of this in the future (and hope the price can come down some more lol). Bravo!
Your channel is a great inspiration. Thank you.
excellent review. I wonder where they will go next. even higher tier. bambu IDEX? a smaller bambu mini? a bed flinger? maybe a bambu resin printer. they got the technical knowledge to do great things. their software side of things needs some work tho
I think the P1P is aimed squarely at prusa's price point, but it's not a fully coherent product. They could do well making a smaller one that is easily networked for schools.
Delta ITEX idependant triple extruders in delta form, no purge tower, filliment swaps, 1000ms/s printing with 3 colours! Then after will come the RGB Delta ITEX, thats where each independant extruder mixes 3 colours RGB for 3x RGB extruders printing in millions of colours! Finally a colour 3d printer.
actually no.. it will be sphere not a delta, extruders on a spherical chassis zooming around in 360, hundreds of them! very small all seeminlgy able to avoid each other, like a swarm of bees, and your model magically appears!
@@MakersMuse It kinda is I guess. with their level of mass producing skills that they have shown they could probably do a sub 300-400 dollar printer to take on the higher end enders. can't be too hard tbh. but yeah. people called the X1C the MK3S (prebuild) competitor but now the P1P is the MK3S kit competitor. and then you got the ankermake M5 that is in the same price bracket too. in the end. prusa REALLY need to bring out a MK4 that is worth it because a MK3S at it's current pricepoint is not good value for money even with that ~prusa warranty~ support.
I'd rather pay 7 mins in time per print to have it run properly than come back to 30+ quids worth of PA-CF spaghetti!
Very true, I paid a lot for that tri-filament and was pretty sad seeing so much wasted!
This printer is superb. It's the printer I was waiting for ever since 3D printing began. I never wanted to become an expert in the _technology_ - I just wanted to make things.
The lidar has worked fine with the PEI sheet for me.
I printed a 23 gram multicolour model and had over 100 grams of waste! This is my greatest issue, but that's a problem with the TYPE of technology, not Bambu's implementation of it.
When I am having a day of making, it's ridiculous that I cannot turn off all that calibration stuff between prints. It's also really annoying that it ALWAYS turn timelapse recording on by default.
Yeah, the Facebook group is absolutely toxic. I asked why the prime tower stayed at the same height as the 3D print, and the goddamned sniggers and snark was really offputting. Lots of nice, supportive people there too though.
The "Send print to" popup window in Bambu Studio has checkboxes for bed levelling, flow calibration, vibration calibration, and first layer inspection.
@@skanderfish3641 How much doe sthat cut the time down by? I wish the program offered the option to turn all those check boxes OFF by default.
Excellent review and helpful information, as always! I also want to thank you for calling out the negativity toward others in the 3d printing community. It's not just toward newbies but toward anyone who is looking to break out of the "norm" or try something new, which I thought was like the whole idea behind the makers community. Thank you for being a good example.
I just took delivery of your book and am enjoying it. I'm a mechanical/aerospace engineer and 3D printers to not exactly intimidate me, .... but your book did give me that little extra courage to order the X1-Carbon lol Thanks for all you do Sean.
I have to say the P1P has been impressive thus far. At this time (two days of ownership) it "just works". Granted, I am coming from ender systems so this is a shift into another realm, but I am impressed.
Jarred how noisy are they ? I’m warming to the X1 after years on multiple Enders and prusa ? I’m thinking leaving it over night may be noise that wife hates or will it print that fast nighttime printing is a thing of the past lol
So finally an out of the box tool rather than a hobbyist gadget. Nice.
Thanks for your honest and very informative review.
Mine shows up the 25th!!! I’m so excited and can’t wait to use this wonderful machine
Hey MM thanks for another review. it's so exciting to see what companies like Bambu and their tech are up to. It''s a matter of time for the community to pick up and level up the technology for them (our)selves. Lidar, yas!, personalise features, yas!
keeping the community honest and straight by slapping them on the fingers by shouting 'grow up' (true) priceless! Keep it up bud
Are you going to also review the AnkerMake M5?
Yep, in Feb.
Very glad you reviewed these and i agree with all you said. Very honest review
Brilliant content as always Angus
Great review. The X1C rocks and is a major game changer imo. I had a few failed prints over ~45 days i've had my two units running basically nigh & day but nothing major. As they are and given the performance they deliver, I definitely view the close source matter as being an advantage - like cars, we want/need a car that performs, period; no one wants a "maker" car that you have to fiddle around or fine tune every couple of trips. Also, spares are not that expensive. If anyone is into making money through 3d printing, this machine pays itself super fast because you waste nearly zero problems and the workflow is so fast, streamlined and tested. Da bomb! :p
Noice rewiew( I came here from the cockatoo video since I live in australia I used your ideas for the wild bird thanks:)
cool!
great review, i have had a ender for 3 years and done plenty of upgrades, but when i saw the p1p and how easy to use it looked then i pulled the trigger 2 days in and I'm loving it (gotta reinforce my shelf a lot lot though)
As usual for your reviews great coverage of the flaws and how to fix them. They do have some points that you covered that should be " easy fixes " at the factory end as you pointed out. I appreciate the time it must have taken to get all those prints done just for a few minutes on camera, especially with almost no issues on any of them, you did skip past the stringing on a few that was barely noticeable. Two thumbs up for the review, the printers are yet to be determined by the open market and if the others will start including similar features. I can't wait to find out about the ' secret project " that requires 2017 ABS.
i wonder if prusa is going to reduce the mk3 price because this is cheaper and so far looks to be better
nice haircut :)
About time !
One of your best videos...great stuff!
Thank you for doing this review it is excellent as always and I was interested in your thoughts before I commit to purchase one🙂
I can’t see how companies like ultimaker or prusa don’t reduce their prices drastically because this printer seems like the best deal for this type of printer
i dont want cheaper prusa mk3s, i want them to catch up :P
@@Insane_Kane Even if Prusa caught up would they would need to price the product competitively because the XL is too expensive for most people
Excellent review with great detail. I truly believe this is a game changer and “race to the bottom” to be the cheapest clone needs to stop. Excellent innovation here.
Side note: Bambu calls it a prime tower and not a purge tower. May be nit picky but you do have to let it use the purge chute and can’t print a true purge tower.
Noted! I found it very strange that it did two purges, why not just purge longer out the back?
@@MakersMuse Presumably it uses the tower to print some newly-changed filament from the nozzle and wipe off any irregularities before moving over to print on the actual workpiece?
I do believe the prime tower is just to be double sure the nozzle is clear before printing. I have tested without it and it can save a lot of time, and so far (knock on wood) I have not seen any bleed over so I have stopped using it. I would like to see the ability to use a true purge tower though, just to have the choice of printing it or dropping it out the back (which needs a bin).
Thanks for your video, I'm always waiting for it 😁
I got a p1p not too long ago(right after the price drop) and I have had no problems whatsoever! It’s really a huge step up from my anycubic i3 mega, and it’s exciting that 3D printing has come this far. I also now print bigger than I ever did before due to the much quicker times, very nice.
Man, your spot on about how nasty the community can be. The Bambu and Anker were my first printers. I knew nothing about printing and had basic issues with my bambu and NON STOP problems with my Anker. Asking for help, with anything, was like hitting a hornets nest and staying around to get stung. People were even nasty when I talked about how much I loved the Bambu. They hated it.. Also, you convinced me to get another X1C over a P1P (Once I sell my Anker for a huge loss). Here in the US it's looking like the government is going to start massive regulation on 3d printers, unfortunately.
The government has claimed a lot and delivered little, don't get too worried, it might take them years to do anything. And don't let people like that get to you, if you want/need to print something and the printer isn't working as expected, getting help with issues isn't a bad thing and whoever makes it a big deal to not only not help you but to make fun of you or make you look stupid isn't worth anyone's time. Not even their own as they are clearly wasting it on nothing special, and I don't mean you I mean their need to make themselves feel superior.
i'm glad you didn't have any issues but there are quite a few people who have adhesion issues, bed warping, a plethora of connection issues. and also the printer stopping mid print and refusing to move foward.
I think some of these issues needs to be highlighted as well, but maybe the minority doesn't really matter.
Definitely a lot of teething problems for them to overcome, maybe I was just lucky but I'm sure each batch will get better. Just hope they can warranty those that experience problems properly.
Good to see another video. Really like that shirt.
Absolutely perfect review , unbiased, I have owned the X1C carbon for 6 months and it’s been great, a couple of issues around filament breakage but that was my fault for not drying them.. overall a great product, like anything else it needs servicing .. take note..
I think it's an amazing printer, but I won't drop 1.4k on a machine that I won't be able to repair myself with openly available parts. If something is ever going to break in my ender 3, I can find replacements practically everywhere.
Having owned 4 Ender 5 printers you will need those sources
Can you get a printer to print a second model in place of a purge tower ?
Not as far as i'm aware, but multiple prints on the bed will use the same size purge block, and you can choose to use it as infill if the model is suitable.
@@MakersMuse You can also just turn off the prime tower option. It's a checkbox under the "Others" tab which is in the Process Global menu. I've never printed a prime tower. What a waste of material. The poop chute is always rewarded with a little morsel of goodness that clearly shows that it's purged way more than is needed. It even has timer setting for each filament loaded for all the time it takes for each of the other filaments to completely purge the old filament out. I haven't needed to play with that feature yet, but someone running a print farm sure as hell would.
I love the way this is presented. I'm strongly considering getting one of these for "just printing" and keeping the ol' Ender 3 for the tinkering/hobbyist experience.
Great review as always
Yes, there are someone that should move soon.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with all of us 🙂