WHY THE SMALL SCUBA TANK IS A SCAM
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Don't be fooled by the scam marketing of this product. They will promise you can swim underwater with these tanks for up to 10 minutes, but that is a scam.
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And you never mentioned the risk of lung over expansion injury for the ones that don’t actually know how to dive
That could be.a real issue. If someone were holding their breath at 10 metres and tried to ascend when the tank ran out, their lungs would balloon and cause permanent damage or death. These should only be sold to someone who is a registered diver.
@@Sherwoody if you let all the oxygen out of your lungs before accending would it still cause damage?
@@jacksheneman6242 You just let it run out of your lungs as is expands. If you hold it, you can over pressurise your lungs.
@@jacksheneman6242 exhaling during an ascent requires training. These tanks are marketed to untrained consumers. For a trained diver, they could be used as a backup when all else fails, but there are better options.
@@Sherwoody Your being a nanny ..
I was issued one in the military. We keep them in vehicles in case of a water rollover. 5 carried in a vehicle can save the life of a trapped crewmember. Ours are filled using an air compressor and checked every time we went on a mission. They were part of the vehicle inspection.
Military of which country
I think i saw something similar included in a heli that transports oil rig workers.
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6 as a CID Agent
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Yikes. I'm betting they were filled with whatever air compressor they use to fill vehicle tyres, and thus probably uses engine oil as lubrication, not the vegetable oil that dive shop compressors will use so as not to poison the compressed air with hydrocarbons.
Like sure it's better for you than zero air at all, but I hope they didn't make you train with those and breath from them if you didn't need to.
Unfiltered air from just a bicycle pump is dangerous. Some oil and other small parts can come in the tank and then in your lungs.
The pump they give you is specialized cus bike pumps are not high pressure. It has a filter so that is not a problem
I have dispensed with the tank and now just breathe directly through the bicycle pump. I actually enjoy the air from the pump better than breathing regular air. My research indicates that you are wrong about the oil and other small parts. I have never had to stop breathing due to ingesting a small part, ever. And I just have regular lungs, nothing fancy.
Jimmy Arbutus lmfaoo
@@jimmyarbutus2555 The air from that pump will not be good for you in the long run it could have some pretty nasty stuff coming from the lubricants used in the factory, and also if water gets inside it can get moldy and could cause serious lung damage
@@loganhallahan164 Thanks Logan. To prevent being susceptible to damage from mold, part of my regimen includes injecting small doses of mold directly into my bloodstream. This allows me to build up a tolerance to it, therefore breathing some in while diving does not affect my lungs at all. Also my team of technicians flush out the pumps real well allowing me to concentrate on my lung strengthening exercises.
1:30 alright let me crank up the volume. 🚀
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my dad has been scuba certified for over 25 years. He recently got two 2 liter tanks that come with back packs. Since he knows how to use them and has taught me everything I need to know on the dangerous of over expansion and decompression sickness, these are a blast to use in a lake. But you should get scuba certified so you know what ur doing as in knowing how to inspect the tank and get it hydrostatically tested.
There’s a reason scuba divers call these things “Three breaths till death.”
Why
Deeper you go, the more the air inside compresses 20 breaths at the surface turn in to 5 breathes at 30 metres
Darrie Andrews Okay that makes sense. Thanks
There's also a reason that scuba divers are more likely to contract sexually transmitted diseases. They're stuuuupid as fuck.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 they are only turned on when the rubber is off
This is also very dangerous when marketed towards non-scuba certified users. People who aren’t certified know very little, if nothing at all about the dangers associated with diving. These dangers are very very easily preventable with the property knowledge and training, but without that, they can be catastrophic.
As a certified scuba diver, I agree, but also more importantly, this item is crap to begin with. People should get actual scuba certified and go scuba diving, it’s 1 million times better. Even safety aside, scuba diving is simply much more fun than this
I’m not complaining that much about safety though. Most of the people that use this item are pretty low IQ to begin with, and the gene pool could do without them reproducing. Lol. No offenseee but yeah
That is not true that people that aren’t certified know very little… you can be certified and still not be knowledgeable. you do know the official PADI open water dive book is free right ?
@@houseofadhdandhyperfixatio9432 I know the official PADI book is free. However I still think the average person who isn’t a diver isn’t gonna be aware of the dangers that can come with this device.
@@houseofadhdandhyperfixatio9432 you gunna give someone the confidence to blow up their lungs.
I’m a free diver my self and it takes years to train your body to hold your breath for four minutes
I'm a freediver and it doesn't take years. Maybe 3-6 months of proper training. Not that I've really needed to hold my breath more than 3 minutes. And that is diving/spearfishing to 30 metres. 4minutes is more just a party trick as you seldom if ever need that much breath hold time.
@@danielvodo1 How do you get to 3 mins? I usually last 2 mins if I do not move but usually less if I see a fish.
I could get from 2 to about 3 minutes with only about a week practise. It depends a lot from your physical health, weight, the amount of red blood cells you have in your blood and other things.
@@suomusintti your profile pic is perfect
@@christianpryor6558 Thanks man :)
In addition to not mentioning lung over expansion dangers, you didn't mention the issues maintaining the cylinder. Safe compressed air (a hazardous material) practices have been established over decades of experience, research and training. DOT requires this bottle (over 2") to be hydrostatically tested every 5 years. In some countries it's 2 years, and visually inspected annually per the CGA (Compressed Gas Association) pamphlet. This will never happen as these tanks will never pass through the hands of trained fillers and inspectors. To make matters worse, the filters in the pump do not extract moisture making the inside prone to oxidation. I can't imagine these companies not being sued out of existence immediately. There really should be some legislation introduced to ban them before the body count gets too high.
You are 100% right I had all the same thoughts when I first saw this advertised I was like welp someone is gunna die because these are basically ticking time bomb‘s imagine 10 to 15 years from now some one buys one of these at a Garage sale goes to use is an it explodes. NOT GOOD
This product is not responsible for weaklings who cannot properly train their lungs to take on a little extra pressure. If your lungs are weak stay in the house.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 No ones lungs, not even yours, can withstand overexpansion Jimmy. You are suggesting we remove the training requirement for scuba divers and let anyone trained or not scuba dive. That is wildly irresponsible. I have already had untrained people come into my shop wanting me to fill or service these things. I can't do it, won't do it.
@@joediver7669 See Joe, that is the problem right there. You have had to take a lot of courses to gain the knowledge that you have about scuba and such. Additionally you have had to spend a bunch of capital to set up your business, AND develop your business acumen to the extent that you are successful. This allows a fellow like me to dive up to 50 meters with virtually no training except some lung strengthening exercises. I don't think you like that.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 The fact that you think there is something called lung strengthening that will help you survive lung over expansion injuries proves my point.
I've seen these for military use, by Visit, Board Search and Seizure teams, or troops riding helos over water. The rationale is in case your bird goes into the drink or you flip your RHIB and need to swim out from it, the tank will provide you just enough to do so. Its 100% not for anything outside these very narrow purposes.
its called CAEBS in my country, Compressed air emergency breathing system
Thank you for the investigative information.
Ibrahim Bin Mahfuz I am manufacturer of mini diving air tank
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@@longchen6389 so?
Meh.. 😴
@@longchen6389 ok
I remember these being advertised as emergency use only when I got certified back in 1996. Dangerous for people to just grab these and go. Lung expansion injury could happen if somebody did something regrettable like dive really deep and tried to take in a deep breath and head to the surface. My scuba instructor had to watch somebody die of that and it was a traumatic experience for him. He remembers trying to do CPR on him and him and 2 other people would do CPR and go throw up because his lungs were getting into their mouth. EMS showed up but it wasn't enough and he died. Serious stuff.
Lungs are essential for Hamon-users
Your scuba instructor sounds like a weakling. I have seen many people die from this and I remain unaffected.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 Hey, just so you have something to look forward too... when yer mommy finally let's you go all the way to the bottom of the kiddie pool, there's a picture of a seahorsey.
@@ronjeffrey8641 You appear to know quite a bit more about the kiddie pool than would seem appropriate for an adult male. That makes me wonder how many kids have heard you say "Come with me. I am going to show you something cool". While there is no actual evidence of wrongdoing here, my legal team is curious to dig s little deeper into your poolside activities.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 Well considering your on-line activities could very well get some one killed you should keep you legal team close at hand.
Me and my son are going to get into the hobby and you have no idea how much money you just saved me cuz we're both beginners and I was looking literally at these things on eBay thank you very much sticking with my snorkel
They are death traps ... divers know them as two breaths to death ... don`t risk your life or your son`s.
No, just no, never dive without being certified, your life isn't worth saving a few bucks, you can die pretty easily if you don't know what your doing
@@factsoverfeelings9228 thanks 💯👍
Good decision Steve. These are NOT for recreation as is often promoted. They are emergency air for hookah and scuba divers. Certainly not toys for the inexperienced. You will get more enjoyment after spending on professional training FIRST, then get a portable hookah diving system such as PORTAHOOKAH.
eBay for scuba gear??? Ummmm that doesn’t seem very smart
If me and da bois get one of these we will think were Poseidon or something
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@@YusukYT spelling police
These were called HEEDS (helicopter emergency egress device) in the military. We used them for egress out of a helicopter that went down in the water. We did not however fill them up with air from a bike tire pump. They were filled with compressed air from scuba tanks.
Not meaning this in a funny way, but I would be more concerned with lung over expansion injuries rather than fatigue in pumping up the cylinder. You failed to mention that people should undergo special training when breathing compressed air. If you ascend from 10 m holding your last breathe of air, you may rupture your little alveolis!!!
What does breathing have to do with the brown tissue surrounding your nipples?
@ Hi Colin. Rather than come a cross as clever, your comment appears as if it has come from an aggressive predatory sexual deviant. I'm not sure what type of individual you are, but I have taken the liberty of posting your picture at local playgrounds. Thanks and have a great day.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 male karen
@@jimmyarbutus2555 alveolis are The tiny air sacks present in your lungs not the part of skin surrounding your nipples
@@sasharoby54 This clown is trying to be funny. He has no idea what he's talking about. But unfortunately some fool is going to believe him and end up in a hospital or worst.
The most op strat of them all, go scuba diving
Diving is a serious hobby that takes some technical attention. If you used this without any diving knowledge you are at risk of suffering a multitude of things that may go wrong. Shallow water blackout, Samba, lounge collapse or decompression sickness are just a few of the things that could easily shorten your life (kill you). I recommend this only as a backup addition to your scuba tanks. Anything else is playing with a lions balls at feeding time.
I wouldn’t worry about decompression sickness too much cuz you can’t really go deeper than 20 ft for like 10 seconds with this.
I read “Dying is a serious hobby”
These should not be sold to or used by untrained divers. Even in a shallow pool the risk of suffering a pressure related injury to the lungs including death is considerable. These bottles were designed as an emergency device for divers and aircrew not recreational use.
How tho ? In a swimming pool you can dive to the bottom on a full breath of air and surface fine , I genuinely am curious as to how this would affect someone playing in an in ground pool or in reasonable depths like 10 feet of water
@@mutinyrider666 thank you for making my point. You obviously have no understanding of dive physics. Of course you can take a breath at one atmosphere dive to 20ft if you wish and return to the surface. You couldn't take a breath of one atmosphere air at 20ft. Ever wonder why nobody makes a 4ft long snorkel? Next time your in a pool sink down into the water to where you can just breath and try t take a deep breath. It's difficult. Just 1 1/2 feet of water is enough to cause problems. To breath at any given depth the air must be supplied at ambient pressure. If you took a breath from a bottle at 10ft of depth held it and surfaced you would suffer some type of pressure related injury.
@@mutinyrider666 10 feet of water in a pool is fine. This guy is being overly dramatic but the risk multiplies if you go deeper
@@mutinyrider666 while you might be okay in 10 ft of water, the risk is that air expands as you surface. If you take a breath at the surface, it will compress in your lungs as you descend then expand to its original volume when you come back up, so there’s no risk. However, if you take a breath at the bottom using this product and fill your lungs, it could expand beyond the capacity of your lungs as you surface. I don’t entirely know how risky 10 ft is, but the air you inhale at the bottom would expand by around 30%, which could be dangerous if you take a full breath and don’t know to exhale as you surface. Divers are trained to do this, but most people don’t know that they would need to.
I think this would be a fantastic tool for the big wave surfing community! Big wave hold downs can be very scary and severe especially when you are disorientated and dont know which way is up. Knowing you have some spare oxygen is going to help keep you calm tilll you are able to reach the surface.
The idea is not bad, but it would be very dangerous, as the current/waves push you up and down in the water collum. This is because your lungs expand and contract as you going up and down, to the point where your lungs could burst. That is also the reason one should never hold their breath while scuba diving.
Hope this clears things up
The better piece of gear is vests that have the float canisters. After getting shot down deep they pull a rip cord and it inflates the vest and they shoot up until the ski can pick them back up again. Koa rothman has good videos on it
They use their own system built into their buoyancy jacket.
I'd rather have a canned flotation device than canned air to breathe.
Oh ya , just tuck it under your arm and surfs up !-------not😳🫣🤯🩸🩸🩸🩸🤕🤕 or ⚰️
You see thats the thing. Thats for emergency when a scuba diver's tank is out of oxygen when he needs to resurface or something. Or when a lifeguard needs to save someone when they are already drowning. So they will obviously take the time and effort to pump it for 1 hour. No one has the time for that just to go swimming in a pool
yeah but its not advertized that way
@@loganmiller6481 just to drain our bank accounts
I could have used one of these when I got stuck on the third floor of an apartment building fire, the smoke was suffocating on the stairwell escaping.
Holy that’s terrifying
Here in Brazil spear fisherman like it for survival causes. Nobody goes around playing with this, but if something get stuck in something, extra air means life or death.
I love the honesty. And learning to free dive is better and teaches you how to be calm with less oxygen
Something off with the calculation. 0.5 a liter tank filled to 200 bars is 100L not 25L as mentioned at 2:08 ;)
0.25
@@KnowledgeKarate that is just random fraction
You neglected to mention expansive barotrauma that can be sustained on rapid, unregulated ascents. All considered, I still like the idea of a small air reservoir for when one is doing some pelagic hunting.
"All considered, I still like the idea of a small air reservoir....". All things considered, learn how to hunt on a single breath and then ascend without getting an embolism.
Its 2am , i have never dived in my life and don’t plan to. But here I am watching this.
You are absolutely right. When I saw the commercial for these tanks I thought oh thats really cool. Until I saw them pumping them up with a hand pump. Anyone ever try inflating a bike tire by hand? I would imagine its like that times 50.
The way I see it, you can learn to free dive 4 minutes, go to 10 meters, stay there for 4 minutes and then use the small tank for extra 2 minutes. That way you can stay underwater for 6 minutes. Well, sounds dangerous to do that. But it's an option.
Electric pumps are a thing. Also, if you can hold your breath for 4 minutes, you can use the small tank to maybe triple that.
Electric pumps capable of 3,000 psi are not cheap.
$250
@@Bobsansoucie yes but neither is a year of your life to learn how to free dive for as long as one 220 dollar item (Canadian currency)
Please do not hold your breath at depth between breathing from a cylinder. even small depth changes can cause lung overexpansion and other pressure related injuries.
Hahaha, that backing music is the OG DCS blackshark menu music. ❤️❤️❤️
Bought my Spare Air for the Safety and Emergency use of its intended useful purpose but I did play around with it at the swimming area at our Lake Park. I used the adaptor it came with to fill it off of my Scuba tank at which the Spare Air has a popoff on the regulator to show its full. It sounds pretty unsafe, and I don't think I'd even consider filling a Spare Air with a bicycle pump considering there's no filter to prevent pump oil or other contaminations from entering the Spare Air.
Designed to make a assent in an emergency. I had a 13 cubic foot pony bottle as a back up. If you follow dive safety you won't need a spare air or pony bottle.
It is better to be safe than sorry. Most people imagine an emergency situation as being easy to control. They tend to happen when you least expect them and when you are least prepared.
A buddy system is great but even them most people do not practice or training with their buddies. Holliday divers buddy up with people they know nothing about.
@@bighands69 Right. One more tool in the chest is better than, needing one and not having it.
Thanks for the video, I almost bought one the other day because we're going to snorkel for the first time on our next holiday, but it seemed a bit too good to be true. I'm going to focus on holding my breath instead ;). Cheers
me, coming to a short holiday trip: ok i will learn myself to freedive without additional oxygen. Haha
Um, spare air is for an out of air emergency. One does not "swim around" with these, it's for getting to the surface asap.
Ok Let’s say you got the 1L that’s 200bar/Liters. You have your emergency on 40m with 5bar ambient pressure. You got a air consumption of 20L/Min. Calculation 200bar/L : 20L/Min : 5bar = 2min. Good luck coming to the surface with that. Even if you have emergency speed with 18m/min you need longer then you got air. And I don‘t know what you are doing, but if you have an out of air situation on 40m and your buddy won‘t have enough air to get you to the surface you have an extremely bad diveplanning skill
These are marketed to be able to fill with a hand pump, they’re intending you to use it for minute dives.
@@spaceman4559 You are coming up, with every meter water pressure will decrease. With this calculation you will expect water pressure to be a same from 40m to zero.
ujumine I know. But it is conservative. Also in an emergency ascent you would do at least a deapstop at half of your max depth for 1min to breath out microbubbles (example. 20m = 3 bar. For the stop 20x1x3= 60bar/l for the ascent from 40 to 20m ca. 20x1x5=100 bar/l and from 20 to Surface ca 20x1x3=60bar/l so about 220bar/l ). Further does this and the other calculation only work if it is no deco dive.
This makes me think of 100 meters down
47 metres down
You scared me there by saying it's a scam. After watching your video through I was able to breathe easier (pun intended) after realizing you were talking about time.
I thought you were going to say it doesn't work at all. I don't really care about time anyway...just need it as a backup to breath hold if I do spearfishing or underwater video shoot when I go to Jamaica.
I am 59 and have been free diving since I was a kid in Jamaica, so I'm no stranger to the water. Being older and heavier now, and haven't been diving for a while, Idk if I'll be able to handle free diving the same as those long gone days, so that's why I got one of these in the closet. As long as it works (even if it's for a minute) I'm good.
Pumping it will only give me the workout that I need anyway, so no worries there either. I also have several air compressors if I can't handle it...just don't know if connections will fit, though. I'll have to check it out one day. If not, I'll pump, no sweat...or a lot of sweat, but I'll pump.
Yeah I hate clickbait titles
@@ShadowPlay1919 for real
Just don’t forget, if you take a breath at depth, keep breathing out or (better yet) breathe from the tank on your ascension.
Jacques mayoll and nataloa molchanova were way in their 50's when they were breaking work records in freediving
Age isn't much of a problem
Slower heart rate and basal metabolism will help you stay longer underwater
There is also a video of a 70yo Filipino from Bajao who dive longer than younger people on exhale dives
@@zazugee cool, I'll see how it goes when I get back in the water.
At the end of the video dude needed some toothpaste or anti fog on those goggles lol.
we only use these at my zoo for a back up. We fill them with a 3000+ PSI scuba tank. It takes seconds, i would never use this as a means to dive...it is what it is, its a backup if you in a dangerous situation with regular scuba gear.
I plan to buy this tank but I changed my mind upon watching this video ty for the info
I only planned to purchase this item after seeing what an excellent workout you can get while filling this item with air. I will soon be kicking sand in your face down at the beach. If you are bigger than me I can easily use the tank to escape from you underwater.
Go to a Dive Center and take a Discovery Diving Course. As a Scuba Diver products just piss me off
@@whoyoulookingatabs1028 Just curious, what is it about this product that pisses you off? Is it that it allows a person to enjoy scuba diving without the expense that you had to put out as well as the time consuming courses. Therefor someone who hasn't had to endure what you had to should not be able to enjoy swimming underwater. Like I said, just curious.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 Because you need to have a training for a reason, lung overexpansion isnt a joke
@@SaltyMikan Lung overexpansion only happens to untrained weaklings. I am highly trained and a paragon of physical fitness. Therefore I have nothing to fear.
How long can you stay under water.
How deep can you dive safely with it?
This seems like it's just enough to get you back to the surface safely.
Thank-you, you have probably just saved my life.
I just bought that setup for 80 I can't wait to use it every con you said I kinda knew but the way I breath I should enjoy this. I can swim down about 20-25 feet and stay there for like 2 mins. It freaks people out they think I drowned.
I think it is important to consider the amount of physical activity while using these spare-air tanks. Divers are trained to move through the watercolumn almost effortlessly, minimizing oxygen 'consumption' enabling the diver to breathe through the spare-air for a significant time.
It's an understandable assumption based on how freedivers move and hold their breath, but as soon as you begin breathing compressed air you must never hold your breath. Doing so can cause a lung overexpansion injury. Those make you dead.
Ehhh... have you ever scuba'd before? There is very little that is "effortless" about it lmfao
@@notyouraveragegoldenpotato I do, basically every week. If you are well trimmed out and relaxed, then diving should be close to effortlessly. If not, you are either diving in rough conditions (current, waves, etc.) Or not experienced enough.
@@hoorayforhawksbills holding breath is not recommended, but that is with regard to the pressure differential at different water depths. If you stay at the same depth you can hold your breath without problems. Still with caution, but it is severely over exaggerated.
@@BioVlogWild lucky duck! It takes some serious planning to get to the ocean from here, but we do have some cool scuba spots locally. Underground caverns fed by hot springs. Super cool. Like diving in a hottub. But underground. And I was quipping more or less about the amount of work scuba takes🤣
Hello Christian
This bottle was not developed to be used for diving. Anyone who claims that is almost a murderer. That would be life-threatening. This bottle was developed to release a fixed anchor on a sail or motor boat in an emergency... As you have already noticed The air in the bottle only lasts about 2 minutes at 10 meters. In addition, it should only be filled with a compressor to avoid contamination. And not to forget the regular TÜV. Best wishes to you from Stress and Rescue and Master Diver
I just got one today but I never dived, is it ok if I use it my pool?
@@gabrieljunior2869don’t listen to these clowns u can use it for recreational surface diving just fill it with a compressor thats it
They do NOT work as backup air for scuba divers!!! If you are a diver, you should know that, and be able to do the math. "Six breaths to death " it's been called and rightfully so. If you're diving safely, you _can't_ run out of air at depth. If your equipment fails, you got your spare and your buddy to get to safety. If you get trapped at depth so badly that you use up all your reserve air, that little bottle won't make the difference.
Never use just a common garage compressor to fill your tanks, your local dive shop will do it for five bucks, not a lot of money when your life depends on it
who the fuck has a local dive shop?
@@valeuudiste4664 I did in my small town but they went out of business fast
@@valeuudiste4664 Google it, you'll be suprised.
@@valeuudiste4664 every fireman has air bottle that need to be filled. If there is no dive shop around, they probably have a compressor at the firehouse.
@@valeuudiste4664 who doesn't?
They are not a scam they are made for emergency use only not daily
But at that size it won’t help if you are a deep diver or sport diver. A pony or bailout would be the best thing to use.
@@tomchatamra8010 Of course it would help if you were in a car that went off a bridge etc ..That is what it is aimed at no DIVERS ...Is koko your middle name
@@Interdiction no its aimed for diving and they promise a long dive time when in reality its not its a last resource tank its a scam
@@connorglover5695 true shit i orderer one and its was all bullshit.. the pump itself broke ont the second filling..
I dive everyday, typically around 20 ft. We have these and are only used for emergency. It's not a bailout replacement we still have bailouts along with a giant secondary bottle. If you know anything you could look at the bottle and tell it's not gonna last long lol it's enough air to surface. That's all you would use it for. Emergency air.
i got this in my recommended and thank you for this information
It is actually possible pump up a tank like this to 2500psi. I personally have a three stage hand pump for pumping up a psp air rifle. It can go up to 3500psi but I never take it that high. It does use a different type of quick connector because a standard bike shrader valve would probably blow out at around 300 or 400 psi.
Just a tip, Eric fatah who is a well known freediver used a small 1L tank with a stage 1 regulator to breath nitrox and extend his bottom time while freediving and prevent shallow water blackout
The use of nitrox in freediving is called technical freediving
was he suicidal? because that's how you get yourself killed.
They are really made for scuba divers and are used for emergency air to make it to the service.
As someone with asthma free diving is not an option, so thanks for letting me know the best way to use these!
Yeah i free dive. And i have asthema. I use my pumps 6 times a day.
200 BAR is insane. My hydraulic press doesnt have half that much guts. I sure as hell wouldn't want a consumer serviceable product that close to my face or junk.
I was just about to order one when I saw an honest review. He said you need 1000 pumps for 20 breaths! Yes, that shocked me enough thankfully
It's quite good as a tool onboard a yacht with a full-size scuba tank to fill it. The pony can be used when doing things on the underside of the boat by freediving then extending underwater time with a breath from the pony bottle. Possibly also handy to extend a freedive if you see a crab or fish but you need more time to get in range but need air. Not everybody can hold their breath for over a minute, we're not all superfit athletes and perfect specimens like your girlfriend!
Horrible advice dude. If you freedive to 30 feet, take a breath from your spare air, then hold that breath and go to the surface you will be in the hospital fighting for your life due to an AGE. Essentially your lungs will pop. So stfu unless you’re certified.
I keep one on the boats I run in case I need a quick trip to unfoul a propeller or other running gear. If it takes longer I just suit up with my dive gear...
Cringe
Yeah and once u breathe on it freediving, u have to make a scuba ascent or youll hurt yourself if you go deep enough
Pony 🤭
This would double the capacity of the local pool. Those swimming under and those on top. Great idea.
Did you not hear him say how dangerous it is
Ok, but an hour for 4 minutes is way better than the ratio of wait time to ride at Disneyland.
Very useful video.i saw this video very late , I brought same device 1 ltr with 5000psi hand pump and now I'm searching where to re- sale it because it's very risky for indian rivers .
these are made for safety and reserve in case ur big tank fails so u can get back to the surface i think
I think this is amazing for free diving as an emergency backup, because alot of people dont think freediving is that dangerous but it really is, you are on a limited breath hold and say your out of air and your ready to resurface, if something bad happens at that time, or you are a little too far from getting to the surface you can pull one of these bad boys out, i think if you have an air compressor and you have a pool at home this is an amazing idea, esspecially if you have multiple bottles
It is very dangerous to use it for freediving. Freedivers get used to holding their breath when diving. Let's say something happened during the ascent and he took a breath from this small balloon. What is the probability that he will remember that when surfacing now he must necessarily exhale? Otherwise, he will damage his lungs, because when he ascends, the ambient pressure will drop and the air in his lungs will expand. I believe that this is a very dangerous device and it should be banned from being sold, especially not in specialized stores to people who do not know the basics of diving.
Who the fuck doesn’t think free diving is dangerous?
I don't dive, but if that were the case I would be happy to have a bottle of this type attached to my body, it would be more reassuring and safer
200 bar with hand pump? Is it possible?
I'd use this for free diving after I can't hold my breath anymore and take a hit of this to replenish my air to stay underwater longer
This is probably a joke but just informing u that that would cause lung over expansion injuries
@@helloooo6653 not necessarily as long as you exhale when going up
Only if you hold your breath
@@yuanyuanintaiwan that’s true
*But can you refill it with one of those Walmart automatic air compressor pump.*
No
You really don't want to be breathing in air with oil in it, which is what a regular air compressor will give you. That Walmart air compressor also probably can not pressurize a tank to 100 Bar...
Buy a 300bar compressor from ebay
Please don’t try to fill any breathing device with your home compressor. You need proper equipement to make sure you don’t pump oil or other residue in to the tank. Oil or carbon monoxide under pressure is is extremely toxic.
As a trained Free Diver The Air in the well, air is not pure oxygen like in a scuba a tank,so co2 could still be in that container, so decreasing your time of “Underwater Fun.” Lung problems after repeated use were never mentioned either.
We do not use pure oxygen.
I find that, freediving, I spend too much energy equalizing and have little time left to actually explore. Even a mini tank, I would hope, would be useful in this case. And yes, with an electric pump.
these tanks should only be used as a emergency tank just to get to the surface safely. The most you are going to get is 3 minutes. This is a tank for scuba divers only. For when a scuba diver, regulators both freeze, up and you can't find your partner, or some how you ran out of air . Which would be a terribly trained scuba diver, if that ever happened. This is not for some one that has no training its dangerous, for a none trained diver, has no business using this . Sorry but its not a toy .
Yes, it is a toy.
If you want an accident ready to happen keep using it .
@@oceanchaser Listen here dimwit. I have been diving using only this product and a bicycle pump for 3 years. During this time I have only had 9 accidents. 2 of those only involved the bicycle pump. So take a hike, goof.
You sound very young and ignorant please enjoy your air tank and bicycle pump sincerely yours goof dimwit
@@oceanchaser Wrong again. All the same, thank you for the good wishes and strong positive attitude. If you have any problems with anybody here on youtube you merely have to contact me directly and I will assist in any way I can
These tanks are meant for emergencies like car ending up in lake
Ok wait imma pump it for 25 mins in the car lol
My fishing lure stuck deeper than usual. Or when I drop the rod overboard.
Wrong, this tank has only one purpose. You are at the beach and the local fat lady starts talking to you. Fearful that one of your friends will spot you, you can simply submerge and then surface up to 200 meters away.
Seen these used as emergency equipment for going into certain environment like testing stuff on or under water where you may become trapped for a minute if it sinks and need time to get out. They're small and can be strapped to you and pull out in an instant, 2 minutes is all you need to escape.
Those "Biobands" on your wrist are also a scam.
A Fantastic veiw and well articulated you are correct in your assessment and review! I have it and it is a not a pony bottle and its no 15 cbf but a 0.5 liter is at 60 feet is only 3 or 4 breaths that's it it's just to get help or your octopus! 👍🙂🍻Cheers!
Train yourself to hold your breath for 4 minutes!?! I was a band and track student in HS this still sounds pretty impossible to me 😂😅 how do you go about doing such a thing?
Look up freediving.
Yeah he made it sound like its running a 5k "just train and do it anybody can do it"
@@maumor2 anybody CAN do it, it's just simple training, look up freediving :) I started somewhere around 45 seconds and reached 2 mins 30 seconds in a week, and since I don't free dive, I'm probably back to around 1 mins
@@NishchalGautam "look up free diving" the solution to everything is RUclips right? Maybe 10% of the world population could do it with proper training that's a long shot from "everybody"
@@maumor2 well, by everybody, I do mean everyday, another point being, yes, if the solution is there, I'm not going to do your homework for you and post the whole article here, all you got to do is search for "holding breathe free diving" on youtube, I'm sure you'll see some techniques,
10% of population is too low, you probably don't believe in humanity, but I do, and it's not 10% it's more like 50% of people will be able to do 4 mins by proper training and will, unless they have some health issues,
and that's coming from a moderately fat person, if I can do it, you can do it man, stop being such a pussy and look it up. trust me.
They shouldn't be selling compressed air tanks to people who haven't been certified to dive: There are lots of dangers. One is that you will completely fill your lungs with compressed air at depth, and come up without your airway open. Air expands as the pressure lowers when you come up, so you can rupture your lungs. Note that this doesn't happen free diving, because your lungs are full at the surface but compressed to partially full when you go down. (The reverse happens breathing compressed air at depth.)
Other dangers are filling up a tank with a compressor not made for breathable air, and that compressed air tanks basically become rockets if they break (which can happen because of corrosion or overfilling.) At my uncle's hospital, the stem broke off a compressed gas cylinder when it fell over, and it knocked a nurse out of the hospital through a cement wall, killing the nurse.
I would agree. A .5li cylinder at 200b on the surface will not give 10 mins. This would require a breathing rate of 10li/min and you would need to be almost stationary. Very very very few people could achieve that. You'd need to be an exceptional athlete. I could do 14 li/min on a drift/very gentle swim and I was a military bomb disposal diver.
Can you really fill a tank to a pressure of 200bar using a hand pump ?
@@sstoharczyk4163 Depends on the pump. In the RN we used to fill our 200b, 4.96li mixed gas cylinders by hand booster pump. It was back breaking work and needed 2 persons to operate the pump
As a scuba diver I know how bad these things are ( I own one for scuba emergencies only) get certified and dive safely
Could you pump it with a mini compresser?
Thank you Chris for your feedback.
These were never made for people to use like lungs. They were made so that free-divers had an option in case they couldn't make it to the surface fast enough, gives them a little bit extra time, and so they can free-dive, then take a very small hit on the tank to continue a while longer. It wasn't mean to be breathed on fulltime like the pool test.
Seeing you and your GF diving is refreshing to someone that doesn't know how to swim lol
Get out there and swim its awesome
Imagine not knowing how to swim, that crazy bro
@@aidanfranklin5420 I know some friends who grew up without swimming pools nearby. And as an adult its way harder to learn how to swim competently.
looks like the rescue tanks that we had for emergency evac in case of helicopter crashes at sea
@DylPickle 08-13
I can do 75 meters under water without a tank at all. Thank you for the very accurate review and saving that I buy one! 🙂
3 years late but remember at 20m that hand pumped air becomes toxic. There is a reason scuba divers need to use specific gas mixtures in their tanks.
Oh yes, and there would also be that trick of spitting on the internal lenses of the mask to prevent them from fogging up during the dive but... it's clear... this must first be learned, in order to be able to teach it later. 😈
Thanks for the info , i was actually considering buying one but defo not to pump it up with the hand pump 🤣🤣... I've got a diver canester already that i use to top up my paintball tanks at 300psi. So it all comes down to the mouth piece.. is it valid is it good? Worth buying? Recommended makes? Thanks for the video.
If you already have a a paintball gun you don't even need this unit. I dive all the time using nothing more than the Spyder MR-5. Everytime I need to take a breath I simply place the barrel in my mouth like a snorkel and pull the trigger. I don't even have to breathe in, the shot rep will inflate your lungs for you.
@@jimmyarbutus2555 lol... i have the feeling you have done it a few times ...
so, youtube has a new feature that lets you see which clip is the most replayed. super useful for skipping youtubers ads because the most replayed part will be where the ad ends. it's just kind of funny to me no one wants to talk about what they're actually watching in this video ^_^.
I typically keep on my left shoulder, a Luxfer S13 bottle with a K-valve, Conshelf XIV 1st& 2nd on 6' hose, SPG on 6" hose. That gives me plenty of time if I have to dump my entire BC or hand the bottle to a buddy.
Would it be a good emergency tank for freediving? ?
Absolutely not. Never ever take even one breath of compressed air while freediving. You risk bursting your lungs as the air expands during rapid ascent. Please take my advice seriously. I am a commercial scuba diver who also freedive.
Wouldn't be freediving if you have a tank, would it?
@@anderswiik71 I know that, but let say I freedive in a cave and get stuck in a rope or something, the time and energy needed to cut down the rope bring me with no air at all, so having a small emergency tank like this could potentially be enough to stay safe and do the scuba diving decompression. Obviously getting back back to the top with only on breath of compressed air is very dangerous but freediving and then scuba diving doesn't seem to be as dangerous as a blackout in cave/sunken boat
@@jonathanmeloche-gagnon3652 Specialized training is required before entering any type of overhead environment be it wreck diving or cave diving. So no this wouldn't be recommended for anything like that. It's intended for last resort emergency use after several levels of redundancy have failed... If you're using this in an emergency situation thing have probably already gotten to the point that a re-compression chamber may be required.
I have a similar (SEA Mk2) size bailout bottle. Manual states at 3000 psi fill, it will give approximately 21 breathes at 20 feet depth. The deeper you go the less breathes you'll have. 10 breathes at 40 feet. Which is enough to get you safely to surface, NOT to be used for normal diving.
I am a scuba diver, I wanted this to use where packing in scuba gear was difficult. I ordered from Snorkl but it was a scam, I was given a tracking number and at fist said it was in route to Ohio but after 6 weeks the item was delivered (package was only one ounce in weight according to USPS) in Los Angeles . I do not live in California. I live in OHIO....IT'S A COMPLETE SCAM !!!!!!!
Look into chest rigs. They use a small pony bottle, strap on quickly and are good for a few minutes. Was first introduced to them while on a rescue team.
Same here I just recently ordered one, I’m in Florida but it was “delivered” to another state
Only in Ohio
I remember hearing about these in the Whitewater kayaker community. There was some debate about whether they might help someone who ended up pinned under an undercut rock or pulled into a nasty hydraulic. There was an a lot of consensus as to whether it could really be helpful in that kind of chaotic situation. I’d be curious if there are any white water kayakers out there who keep one on their vest.
If you were pinned under a rock, not sure that you would have the strength to fight the current, grab your spare air and bring it to your mouth...
I'm not a diver or a kayaker, but the only situation I can see this being useful is maybe in the glove box of your car or something.
You'd never use it for a planned dive and it's not exactly something you'd just carry around casually.
@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor It is meant to be used in an emergency when scuba diving. You just clip it onto your BCD. So if something goes wrong with your regulator/tank, and you cannot get to your buddy, you can use it.
@@jiminauburn5073 A whole lot of things would have to go wrong and right at the same time for this thing to make that critical difference.
@@jiminauburn5073 If you're doing something where you MIGHT need one of these then it almost certainly can't hurt to have.
These used to be sold as an alternative to a pony bottle for divers. But real divers recognize how useless these things are so the manufacturer had to rebrand it for sale to non-divers that don't know any better.
These are sold to essentially circumvent needing to get certified to dive. While you can buy all the gear right on Amazon to dive with, getting air in those cylinders is where the average person is reliant on a dive shop. The air compressors used to fill cylinders are large, often loud, and always expensive. No reputable shop will fill cylinders for anyone without seeing a certification card. So this is the control point for the industry to enforce certification.
Here is a product that promises you can dive without having to bother with expensive and time consuming training. The thing is most of what we teach in OW is emergency procedures. The gear itself is dead simple and only takes a short tutorial on assembly and usage. How to suck air thru a mouthpiece isn't exactly difficult--- doing it safely is what we actually are teaching in those classes and pool sessions.
This is a legacy product that is well known and disliked within the diving community, and is frankly one class action lawsuit from being banned anyway.
Ah yes a handpump. Perfect for totally non contaminated air and safe for diving
Which camera are you using to go underwater and film this? It is very clear and high quality
The rtx gforce 1570
@Ian Alvarez Na he has RTX 3060 and he has hacks on HAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Gopro works too
He was a GoPro and use something to make it clear
I used the smaco mini tank to work on the main drain in the deep end of my pool. It was definitely a chore to hand pump but wasn’t that bad. If I was going to be using it a lot then I would just buy a electric pump. It did exactly what I needed it to do so I’m pleased with the product.
It doesn't matter, it shouldn't be s consumer product. Have you ever heard of lung overexpansion? The deeper you go the more compressed oxygen gets now imagine you take a breath at the bottom of some semi deep lake or river and the kid who got this from their mother who bought it for them goes straight up holding thier breath. Thier fricking lungs would explode due to the oxygen not being compressed anymore... You will likely die from this. Only certified divers should get these for emergency tanks, even then using. A hand pump to fill it can leave dangerous particles in the tank that you will Breath, I've only scuba diver a few times because I'm a free diver but it is good to have knowledge in both fields.
Sorry for my poor English
they seem great for this type of use; short but long or deep enough do check something under the water. I want to use one to recover things at docks that are 12 feet under water.
Pony tanks came into prevalent use in the 80's and initially were marketed as an emergency device. Your buddy is OOA and your secondary was whack so you gave your buddy your primary and you both surfaced with you using your own pony tank...while surfacing. Pony tanks were never intended as a primary air source. I also find it difficult to believe that a hand pump is even capable of pressures of up to 2200 psi (typical pony tank). Whoever is marketing this as a recreational device needs to be stopped, sued and incarcerated.
This would be something you'd have on an emergency life jacket on a helicopter if it crashed in the ocean. Breathing for a little extra longer might make a difference towards finding the escape hatch while panicked. Helo dunker!
"free diving" also known as extended drowning
but its useful for free diving emergency when a free diver looses hes air he uses this tank