@@electrikoptik yes I agree but definitely would have been a much better choice than the anaemic V6 petrol and would have still maintained the 3.5 tonne towing which was the only reason people were buying the 5 seat Grand Cherokee.
Many marques are ditching the diesel for their trucks quite prematurely me thinks. One other such is Nissan with lack of a diesel in the Y62 range patrol.
I drive a 2004 LandCruiser 100 (V8 petrol) and it's as sweet as the day I bought it. It feels indestructible but extremely comfortable and quiet to drive.
How is this an equal comparison? The Jeep is a midsizer and the LC is a fullsize. IDK if they sell the Wagoneer in AU but that would be a much better compariosn.
I own both of these vehicles. The fuel economy on both for my mixed usage is 11L/100. Given the 40 to 50c price difference in diesel. The Jeep is cheeper to run. Fixed price service for Jeep is $285. Vs $385 for LC. They are not compatible as an off roader or tow vehicle. Jeep is a people mover / lux SUV. Not the core intention of the LC. I love both cars but will more often take the Jeep on longer drives for the economy.
Exterior = land cruiser Interior = grand cherokee Technology = grand cherokee Practicality = land cruiser Reliability = land cruiser Luxury = grand cherokee
The land cruiser IS NOT an SUV as mentioned, it is much more focused on being an off-roader. So complaining that the suspension is lazy and wallowing is unjustified. Compared to the Jeep which in this current spec is no where near as off-road oriented.
Reminds me of the old comparisons of a Landrover and a Land Cruiser. These days the Land Rover is worthless and the Land Cruiser is worth a ton and still running strong.
But there is a difference between each segment Lc is outdated but reliable..good at that price Lr off road and is luxury status with loads of tech..good at that price
Comparing Toyota LC to a Jeep GC is like comparing a diamond to cubic zirconia. Both look really nice but only one will stand the test of time no matter how many times you put it through its paces
Sorry to say, but Jeep doesn’t stand a chance, yes it's got the tech and all but practicality and reliability wise, it is not a fare comparison to LC300
Jeep coasts half of the land cruiser so you can sell it after 5 years when warranty ends and get another one and have a brand new car for another 5 years worry free.
land cruiser is for decades while jeep is for years. As somebody said review them after 20 years. Most probably only 1 will be in service by then and we know who.
Jeep would've been smart to source an inline 6 turbo diesel for the global markets, even though it wouldn't sell in the US. Also, I'm surprised they didn't use a top level Overland trim for the comparison. It has taller tires (tyres 🥱) and better off-road chops.
How tall is this guy? I'm a bit concerned at how close his head is to the C-pillar in the Toyota. In any event, the fact that the Jeep has a narrower bodes well for its off-road prowess. I also prefer its copious application of USB ports. These days with every passenger carrying his own personal handheld device, no vehicles can ever have too many USB ports. Rest assured the kids will never argue over who gets to use the charging ports next. On the other hand, the Landcruiser has the clear advantage to back seat as far as entertainment goes; however, the quality of those monitor's display, is still undefined. As for power plants, I'd like to see Jeeps new in-line 6 mated to an electric motor and applied across the range, and especially to the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. Since the days of the high-output/high hp V-8s are coming to a close, that would be the most practicable route as a transition before fully EV automobiles. Speaking of EV, it still needs at least another decade (or two) before they become mainstream and practical. At present, there's still just too many convenience obstacle to overcome. Speed of charging for one. As an apartment dweller, I don't get to plug-in my car for overnight charging. That means I need Stage 3 charging fast charging (which only a few vehicles have) just to make it practical. Another limitation is range, with anything under 300mi. being unacceptable. That's the minimum I would need since its just myself and one car has to do it all: daily commute and travel.
I put down payment on Jeep and luckily got delayed. After trying both the differences are days and nights when i tried the LC300 i fell in love. Got the higher trims of LC300 which has techs and premium materials more than the Jeep i was going to buy. It’s been couple of weeks with me and very happy with my purchase
You must’ve test drove the previous generation or bass grand Cherokee because the new Grand Cherokee has way more tech and far better premium materials than the Toyota
@Cristian Selfa yup, beautiful but the waiting list here is absurd, also for the LC300 but got lucky on this one. Though I would have been happy to go with either one of them
@@khafrebevins3025 i kept the latest and highest trim of 2022 GC for a couple of days, beautiful no doubt just didn’t like the 3rd row seat and where i live they don’t offer the two rows. Still GC 3rd favorite after LC300 and defender
Landcruiser also has insane resale value and reliability. Jeep is let down by powertrain, needs a V6 Turbo, V8 and a Diesel. Jeep reliability and service, notoriously bad.
Your right about Toyotas Dave. Saw 2 used Prados in a yard the other day for a smidge under AUD100K. Can't argue. But you see, I've driven a Prado it's a bloody barge. I wouldn't buy one at a third of that price. Drive a Prado then something like a Discovery 4 ( yes I know!). The driving experience doesn't compare. But hey obviously I'm not in the majority.
GCL seems more modern while LC looks bit outdated. LC wins if resale after 10 years is important, but GCL conquers if riding comfort for next 10 years is important.
With the waiting time of the Landcruiser, order both, use the jeep and trade it in on the Landcruiser. You would own the jeep for 2years before getting the Landcruiser.
I just bought one. An Overland with a number of Tech upgrades. It's a beautiful vehicle with the perfect balance of city slicker and rugged. The off-road chops are superb and the interior layout is very well thought out. It feels good to get back into an iconic American brand such as JEEP. Nothing out here is perfect. However this JEEP is well done.
@David Milner I did say who in their right mind ! Jeep have an awful reputation here in Australia , perhaps they are just not built tough enough for the extreme conditions we have . Most people who take the decision to buy one never buy another . Toyota all the way .
@Johnnie the Pom There is no dispute of Toyota's reputation for quality. At the end of the day, it's a preference. JEEP had some legacy issues over a decade ago that were addressed.
Toyota Japan seems to be making some trade offs regarding where some cars go to which countries like the All Wheel Drive Lexus IS350 goes to the States, don't find their way down under.
Just because it's Toyota, your review have to glorify it. And opposite to Jeep. Please just be fair because written reviews is dead. And clearly can see how Jeep is far luxurious and European than Toyota cheap plastic.
People need to stop saying that the Jeep is unreliable. This isn’t the same Jeep/Chrysler of 15 plus years ago. I work with all new fleets of cars as I’ve worked for Hertz and now Avis. These cars, like any car run like new when properly maintained. That whole “unreliable” talk needs to stop.
Even thou I have a Jeep GC, I agree with your verdict. The standard 3.6L V6 is a good engine, but not for this price, stupid Jeep should have had the 5.7L hemi as the standard engine here, just can't understand their logic. But wait until their new hurricane twin turbo six comes to Australia, it will blow the Landcruiser away.
@@AliMayali The new Jeep GC summit reserve is a great SUV, but I'm sure if you live in Australia, the only engine available is the 3.6L V6 pentastar, so no 5.7L Hemi. If the hemi was available I would go for the Jeep, but with only the 3.6 L V6, would go for the Toyota LC. If you are not going to tow, maybe the Jeep GC could be a good fit, because I think it looks better outside and especially inside. If you could wait a little longer, Jeep have a new 3.0L twin turbo inline six coming out soon, looks like a ripper engine.
This review is balanced. Comparing comfort on and off road, on road handling,off road capability, fuel economy and running costs. Thanks for the review.
Jeep will lose in resale value by a lot! and jeep requires more maintenances and fixes by a lot! jeep is pretty much done after 100k miles. I had one!! never again! Just go toyota or honda save money and headaches!
And you call yourself a car expert? You are comparing a diesel with a petrol and those two categories are totally different. I have rented both rigs (the Toyota had 2000kms only back then) for 1 week each before purchase, and I would definitely not recommend the new Toyota to my worst enemy. It is simply a piece of crap, the steering is extremely vague and the vibration finds its way annoyingly to the steering wheel. The middle curvature in the bonnet is horrible and unorthodox, the inside is all cheap quality plastic and the screen is useless. Seating is harsh and they do not really wrap your body for extra comfort. The only thing I liked was the cooler box between the front seats and is missing from the GC. You are sir biased and misleading people with the wrong recommendation on purpose or out of ignorance
One distinction you haven't made is the longevity of each. The Toyota's 95% of them should still be going well in 25,years, but the Jeep will be very lucky if 10% are still one the road. At 25years of age. New they're somewhat comparable, but at 10years many of the Jeeps will have passed through the recycling industry.. thanks
he did say toyotas were known for making bullet proof vehicles. i like toyotas, and always have, but lets be honest, toyotas have had their share of troubles. rusted frames, bad transmissions, bad engines, just to name a few. i had a rav4 that gave me plenty of troubles. a toyota van that loses its tranmission after driving in the rain. a tundra that had a frame brake in half because of rust. i see rusted frame toyotas and bad engines and transmissions on toyotas on the used car market all the time. but thats never talked about because toyotas are mostly over rated, and over priced
Do a review after both of them have completed 200,000 miles. That's when the Landcruiser will really shine in terms of quality and reliability.
The Jeep will be in the junk yard at that millage
@@theoyansen8267 nope jeep has come a long way
@@USDM_Jesus yes it's now part of Stellantis group wich means even lower reliability
Though that Landcruiser has a new generation twin turbo six engine which is much more complex than the sturdy V8 of before. So time will tell.
It will have every electrical gremlin under the sun by then that's for sure.
If Jeep had kept the diesel it definitely would have been a very close performance comparison
@@electrikoptik yes I agree but definitely would have been a much better choice than the anaemic V6 petrol and would have still maintained the 3.5 tonne towing which was the only reason people were buying the 5 seat Grand Cherokee.
Many marques are ditching the diesel for their trucks quite prematurely me thinks. One other such is Nissan with lack of a diesel in the Y62 range patrol.
Let’s test that at 400,000 miles
It's a pity they don't factor reliability and running costs
This is the most unbiased review I have seen in a long time.👍
I drive a 2004 LandCruiser 100 (V8 petrol) and it's as sweet as the day I bought it. It feels indestructible but extremely comfortable and quiet to drive.
Let’s compare them again at 100k 300k and 500k miles
Stup!d comment! don't own a car and wait 100k, 300k & 500K to do a preventive maintenance.
Jeep easily do 200k mile , buy I don't want to ride over 100 mile. Jeep is better. I don't care what happened over 300k miles
Yeah yeah the token standard generalisation. Toyotas are butt ugly and they don’t change aesthetics with the times.
You live right now
LC days are gone. New technology will expose LC with sensors failing all the time.
Good luck
That Jeep looks amazing outside and inside. Plus it’s much more spacious inside!! They did very well with this new model
Will be able to say the same of it in 15 years
@b m 15 years 😂😂
Do you mean in 2040
15 years... try 3
How is this an equal comparison? The Jeep is a midsizer and the LC is a fullsize. IDK if they sell the Wagoneer in AU but that would be a much better compariosn.
I have to say, FCA did improve a lot in quality....
I own both of these vehicles. The fuel economy on both for my mixed usage is 11L/100. Given the 40 to 50c price difference in diesel. The Jeep is cheeper to run. Fixed price service for Jeep is $285. Vs $385 for LC. They are not compatible as an off roader or tow vehicle. Jeep is a people mover / lux SUV. Not the core intention of the LC. I love both cars but will more often take the Jeep on longer drives for the economy.
That Jeep is way better looking and better handling, not so boring as the Toyota
Exterior = land cruiser
Interior = grand cherokee
Technology = grand cherokee
Practicality = land cruiser
Reliability = land cruiser
Luxury = grand cherokee
💩💩
Agree on most, but on the exterior, the landcruiser is nothing special, I think the GC wins there as well, only if it had the 5.7 hemi.
Exterior? 🤔
While subjective... The Land Cruiser looks like a Thanksgiving Day Parade balloon lifting off the ground.
Fuel economy = LC
Reliable = LC
Value after 10/20 year = LC
@@Mightyshaw I agree with this one, but they do breakdown, believe it or not.
We be interesting to see how the new inline 6 goes once fitted to the Jeep range.
Looks like an awesome engine.
The land cruiser IS NOT an SUV as mentioned, it is much more focused on being an off-roader. So complaining that the suspension is lazy and wallowing is unjustified. Compared to the Jeep which in this current spec is no where near as off-road oriented.
ok MJ...
Toyota lists it as an SUV on their website.
You better tell them to correct it.
i used to like jeep, when they built real jeeps. Land cruiser is a Luxury vehicle, it should be compared with range rover
Dig deeper. A Toyota will always just be a Toyota no matter how luxury they try to make it look. Next time you hop in one, keep digging.
Reminds me of the old comparisons of a Landrover and a Land Cruiser. These days the Land Rover is worthless and the Land Cruiser is worth a ton and still running strong.
But there is a difference between each segment
Lc is outdated but reliable..good at that price
Lr off road and is luxury status with loads of tech..good at that price
This new Lc300 looks hideous!
Comparing Toyota LC to a Jeep GC is like comparing a diamond to cubic zirconia. Both look really nice but only one will stand the test of time no matter how many times you put it through its paces
Yeah? I see loads of old XJ Cherokees in Moab. Toyotas rusted away a long time ago.
I prefer Jeep
They should install the new hurrican engine in that Jeep ASAP. There is an offroad trim "overland" in Jeep GCL to make the comparison better.
Can we appreciate that both still got functional buttons and dials?
The 2.2 Tones towing capacity and 210 kw power output of the Jeep is within the specification range of the last V6 Toyota Kluger.
LC will be long lasting until your great grandchild has their great grandchildren. That's fact
That Jeep looks great, I think one should get the lightest possible version, with that engine, which is very reliable.
I would get the Patrol anyway.
The LC compared to the Grand Waggoner would make more since
Idk, I believe the Lexus LX compared to the Grand Wagoneer would make more sence
@@mokseee i agree
Sorry to say, but Jeep doesn’t stand a chance, yes it's got the tech and all but practicality and reliability wise, it is not a fare comparison to LC300
Either of these new vehicles would be great to own. But after the manufacturer's warranty ends, I would much rather be stuck with the Toyota.
Landcriser all day
I drive a Wrangler Rubicon, so disappointed. Its either in my driveway or at the dealer getting fixed. Regretting not buying a toyota product!
TOYOTA LANDCRUISER ❤👍🏻
Land cruiser super
The Jeep is the superior product here.
Jeep is only good enough for 60,000km. Like they say YOU GO TO THE OUTBACK IN A JEEP BUT COME BACK IN A LANDCUISER.
Jeep coasts half of the land cruiser so you can sell it after 5 years when warranty ends and get another one and have a brand new car for another 5 years worry free.
Jeep looks nice and sophisticated on the road I’ll definitely go with the Jeep ❤
land cruiser is for decades while jeep is for years. As somebody said review them after 20 years. Most probably only 1 will be in service by then and we know who.
Land cruiser, land rover defender and lexus LX600 😊😊
The LC is having mad features for offroading like atrc traction control ekdss MTS and more!
Crawl control too!
tbf, no matter how awesome the offroad features are, they won't beat good old lockers
Jeep would've been smart to source an inline 6 turbo diesel for the global markets, even though it wouldn't sell in the US. Also, I'm surprised they didn't use a top level Overland trim for the comparison. It has taller tires (tyres 🥱) and better off-road chops.
How tall is this guy? I'm a bit concerned at how close his head is to the C-pillar in the Toyota. In any event, the fact that the Jeep has a narrower bodes well for its off-road prowess. I also prefer its copious application of USB ports. These days with every passenger carrying his own personal handheld device, no vehicles can ever have too many USB ports. Rest assured the kids will never argue over who gets to use the charging ports next.
On the other hand, the Landcruiser has the clear advantage to back seat as far as entertainment goes; however, the quality of those monitor's display, is still undefined.
As for power plants, I'd like to see Jeeps new in-line 6 mated to an electric motor and applied across the range, and especially to the Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. Since the days of the high-output/high hp V-8s are coming to a close, that would be the most practicable route as a transition before fully EV automobiles.
Speaking of EV, it still needs at least another decade (or two) before they become mainstream and practical. At present, there's still just too many convenience obstacle to overcome. Speed of charging for one. As an apartment dweller, I don't get to plug-in my car for overnight charging. That means I need Stage 3 charging fast charging (which only a few vehicles have) just to make it practical. Another limitation is range, with anything under 300mi. being unacceptable. That's the minimum I would need since its just myself and one car has to do it all: daily commute and travel.
I put down payment on Jeep and luckily got delayed. After trying both the differences are days and nights when i tried the LC300 i fell in love. Got the higher trims of LC300 which has techs and premium materials more than the Jeep i was going to buy. It’s been couple of weeks with me and very happy with my purchase
You must’ve test drove the previous generation or bass grand Cherokee because the new Grand Cherokee has way more tech and far better premium materials than the Toyota
@Cristian Selfa yup, beautiful but the waiting list here is absurd, also for the LC300 but got lucky on this one.
Though I would have been happy to go with either one of them
@@khafrebevins3025 i kept the latest and highest trim of 2022 GC for a couple of days, beautiful no doubt just didn’t like the 3rd row seat and where i live they don’t offer the two rows. Still GC 3rd favorite after LC300 and defender
@Cristian Selfa i am in Saudi and the waiting list here is almost a year and a half for LC300
But i know a person who helped me get it earlier
Landcruiser also has insane resale value and reliability. Jeep is let down by powertrain, needs a V6 Turbo, V8 and a Diesel. Jeep reliability and service, notoriously bad.
Your right about Toyotas Dave. Saw 2 used Prados in a yard the other day for a smidge under AUD100K. Can't argue. But you see, I've driven a Prado it's a bloody barge. I wouldn't buy one at a third of that price. Drive a Prado then something like a Discovery 4 ( yes I know!). The driving experience doesn't compare. But hey obviously I'm not in the majority.
TOYOTA made LAND CRUISER for driving in MUD , HILLS , SAND etc not for showroom's , stylish models or entertainment etc.
This is like comparing dirt to gold
GCL seems more modern while LC looks bit outdated. LC wins if resale after 10 years is important, but GCL conquers if riding comfort for next 10 years is important.
Is that AC/DC playing in the background?
The first 2 minutes of this video basically won it.
interior means nothing if its in the shop all the time. Id never ever buy anything but Japanese.
Jeep 💪❤️OIIIIIIIO
Haha.. there is no comparison.. just consider Jeep reliability :D
With the waiting time of the Landcruiser, order both, use the jeep and trade it in on the Landcruiser. You would own the jeep for 2years before getting the Landcruiser.
There isn't even a comparison here. The pos jeep will end up in a landfill in no time.
Land cruiser is the Conqueror while Jeep Gchegkee is just a farmer......
Where there was No land there was a Land cruiser
The jeeps also come with a 5.7 v8
Great review but I wouldn’t have either I have the new Land Rover Defender 👍🇦🇺
grand cherokee will be a different animal with the twin turbo inline 6cyl petrol putting out 373kw and 644nm
Are you making an off road video? Crawling and mudding please.
That was a fair assessment.
LC is a practical SUV
Gotta service the LC every six months. That is enough to look elsewhere
What are we comparing now?
LC is only comparable to Nissan patrol, and nothing else I guess.
The right title : "We comparing a toy to a truck" 😂😂😂
Stop calling the LC a toy
@@domonicjames137 i am not calling the land cruiser a toy mate. Are you serious?
This video was necessary! Thank you!
It's ridiculous to compare with LC. Because LC is the father of SUV wherever you go
Jeep build quality, materials, and reliability are all below par. There is no comparison to a LC.
Who in their right mind would buy the HEEP ?
I just bought one. An Overland with a number of Tech upgrades. It's a beautiful vehicle with the perfect balance of city slicker and rugged. The off-road chops are superb and the interior layout is very well thought out. It feels good to get back into an iconic American brand such as JEEP. Nothing out here is perfect. However this JEEP is well done.
@David Milner I did say who in their right mind ! Jeep have an awful reputation here in Australia , perhaps they are just not built tough enough for the extreme conditions we have . Most people who take the decision to buy one never buy another . Toyota all the way .
@Johnnie the Pom There is no dispute of Toyota's reputation for quality. At the end of the day, it's a preference. JEEP had some legacy issues over a decade ago that were addressed.
after 10 years,that jeep wont be on the roads,but that land cruiser will be on roads even after 25 years.
I still can’t see why they do not send the lc to the usa
Toyota Japan seems to be making some trade offs regarding where some cars go to which countries like the All Wheel Drive Lexus IS350 goes to the States, don't find their way down under.
If they were both the same price land cruiser is the winner
Excellent review
Probably Kluger could have handled that let alone prado
This comparison video should have stopped at the torque difference
Just because it's Toyota, your review have to glorify it. And opposite to Jeep. Please just be fair because written reviews is dead. And clearly can see how Jeep is far luxurious and European than Toyota cheap plastic.
People need to stop saying that the Jeep is unreliable. This isn’t the same Jeep/Chrysler of 15 plus years ago. I work with all new fleets of cars as I’ve worked for Hertz and now Avis. These cars, like any car run like new when properly maintained. That whole “unreliable” talk needs to stop.
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Still, GM has managed to make some hit icons like Cadillac Escalade 2021, C8 Corvette Z06 2023, GMC Sierra Denali Ultimate 2022 in few years....
How can you even compare?😂 But any chgance I get to see a land cruiser being featured I will pause and have a look at it 😂
Even thou I have a Jeep GC, I agree with your verdict. The standard 3.6L V6 is a good engine, but not for this price, stupid Jeep should have had the 5.7L hemi as the standard engine here, just can't understand their logic.
But wait until their new hurricane twin turbo six comes to Australia, it will blow the Landcruiser away.
I'm torn between Jeep GC summit reserve hemi 5.7 and Then new Landcruiser what is your opinion?
@@AliMayali The new Jeep GC summit reserve is a great SUV, but I'm sure if you live in Australia, the only engine available is the 3.6L V6 pentastar, so no 5.7L Hemi.
If the hemi was available I would go for the Jeep, but with only the 3.6 L V6, would go for the Toyota LC. If you are not going to tow, maybe the Jeep GC could be a good fit, because I think it looks better outside and especially inside.
If you could wait a little longer, Jeep have a new 3.0L twin turbo inline six coming out soon, looks like a ripper engine.
Mate hardly any part of the world has gas as cheap as the US. This makes a V8 very undesirable
What, no hemi?!
This review is balanced. Comparing comfort on and off road, on road handling,off road capability, fuel economy and running costs. Thanks for the review.
5:47 that and a 3.6L petrol V6 with half the land cruisers torque simply pushes someone towards the Land cruiser
I prefer jeep with hemi over that pinta star and toyota
Nice video
Jeep will lose in resale value by a lot! and jeep requires more maintenances and fixes by a lot! jeep is pretty much done after 100k miles. I had one!! never again!
Just go toyota or honda save money and headaches!
Please don't ever compare a Toyota to a shittist brands in the history.
The Jeep will last 2yrs and the Toyota 50yrs
Toyota motor super World number 1.
Unfair comparison, jeep has its amazing v8 5.7
Jeep is premium.. toyota always feels outdated..
It’s a waste of money to have the steering on the right
Jeep win ,no doubt. Better looking, better interior , great reliable engine
Even Jeep got surprised
Such a shame Jeep didn't put a better engine in there.
I'd take the jeep hands down but the lc should be compared to the grand wagoneer and it would absolutely decimate the 300
What's the point of reviewing a Landcruiser 300? Toyota aren't even making the bloody things.
And you call yourself a car expert?
You are comparing a diesel with a petrol and those two categories are totally different. I have rented both rigs (the Toyota had 2000kms only back then) for 1 week each before purchase, and I would definitely not recommend the new Toyota to my worst enemy. It is simply a piece of crap, the steering is extremely vague and the vibration finds its way annoyingly to the steering wheel. The middle curvature in the bonnet is horrible and unorthodox, the inside is all cheap quality plastic and the screen is useless. Seating is harsh and they do not really wrap your body for extra comfort.
The only thing I liked was the cooler box between the front seats and is missing from the GC.
You are sir biased and misleading people with the wrong recommendation on purpose or out of ignorance
If you want to go into the desert, take a Jeep. If you want to get out, take a Land Cruiser - old African saying
If it wasn’t my own money, I’d take the Jeep all day long
One distinction you haven't made is the longevity of each. The Toyota's 95% of them should still be going well in 25,years, but the Jeep will be very lucky if 10% are still one the road. At 25years of age. New they're somewhat comparable, but at 10years many of the Jeeps will have passed through the recycling industry.. thanks
he did say toyotas were known for making bullet proof vehicles. i like toyotas, and always have, but lets be honest, toyotas have had their share of troubles. rusted frames, bad transmissions, bad engines, just to name a few. i had a rav4 that gave me plenty of troubles. a toyota van that loses its tranmission after driving in the rain. a tundra that had a frame brake in half because of rust. i see rusted frame toyotas and bad engines and transmissions on toyotas on the used car market all the time. but thats never talked about because toyotas are mostly over rated, and over priced