@@BasicWizard god no. This show was so horrible that wouldn’t have done a thing but make people angry. Besides do you want these talentless hacks writing a Plagueis story? Especially when it will probably just be stuff stolen from legends and shit?
Something they didn’t really get across is that Mae and Osha is a pendulum in the Force. Osha went dark side as Mae went light. Neither could be light or dark at the same time. Mae in the beginning would have fought. Instead, by the end, she mostly ran away or stood down. Osha seemingly became really aggressive out of no where. But if you think about it, the flip happened when Mae decided to turn herself in to Kelnacca. We see Osha become more aggressive and take shots.
You guys HAVE seen Plagueis' species before. They were the banking clan people in Clone Wars with the really long heads, called Munn (pronounced 'Mune'). Darth Plagueis just looks more messed up because his body is corrupted by the dark side.
The Stranger wanted to kill everyone who knew his face and Mae who betrayed him. Osha saved her life by offering herself as his apprentice who compromised by erasing her sister's mind instead.
Sol killed the mother because of a misunderstanding. He heard that the twins were sacrificed in the ritual, he saw Mae and thought it was Osha, saw the mother perform some magic he had never seen before and it was causing Mae to disappear. He thought she was killing Mae and wanted to protect the twins. He jumped the gun and was in the wrong, but he thought he was saving Mae from being sacrificed. That is why he continued to defend himself.
I think the show is trying to say there aren't always clear cut "good" guys and "bad" guys. Nobody's perfect and everything has consequences. Sometimes really bad unintended consequences but which make sense from another person's perspective based on their own circumstances. You don't have to agree with their decisions but its supposed to make you feel what they're going through. Its ok to be like i dont think they made the right call but you still feel what they were going through and to an extend you can understand where they're coming from. Edit: Unless you don't feel anything then i get your confusion and we have a bigger problem.
The thing about Sol's group is what happened with them was an exception to the norm, we hear the council advising the correct course of action, but by the time they received word the damage had been done by both parties. Even so, Sol himself wasn't actually a bad person he just become so blinded by guilt he tried to justify the tragedy he was part of, and Mae and Osha had to endure the fallout, making them vulnerable to Sith influence. As that for that Senator he represents the beginning of the rift of distrust between the Senate and Jedi that will one day lead to them growing more self serving and corrupt until they applaud the rise of the Empire and genocide of the Jedi. And Vernestra, what exactly is she supposed to do, all she knows is someone she thought was dead is still alive but not _how_ he's involved in this mess of a situation.
The point of Vader and the prequels is that the Jedi have fallen into their arrogance. That is shown in this series. We always see things from the Jedi hero pov. Never thinking that the Jedi take babies, push their weight around and put a monopoly on the Force. Vader became a reset button for the Jedi. Luke became what the Jedi should be. A scholar of the Force. In all aspects. Not just the Republic Jedi way (which was corrupted).
@@jinxie712 The arrogant Jedi in question was Anakin. The only thing the prequel Jedi were really guilty of was becoming complacent with their public image, thinking their actions would speak for themselves, because other than being forced by outside factors (the Sith) into impossible positions, and the individual outliners who fall, (Dooku, Anakin, Krell) they are otherwise portrayed as upstanding and noble. This whole "the Jedi had it coming" angle Legends tried to sell was never the intention of the films.
22:45 Been a thing since very early Legends, very close to the release of the OT, Vernestra’s was just the first in Canon. The hilt’s magnetism that keeps the beam of light controlled is just less strong allowing it to bend.
Yes, Hell has been a thing in Star Wars since EpV. Han tells a guy “I’ll see you in hell!” 19:31 YES IT WAS PLAGUEIS! It’s been confirmed. And we finally see that his canon race is the same as in Legends, Muun (pronounced like immune). Muuns are most often associated with the Banking Clan. One briefly appeared in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, and a bunch more prominently appeared in Clone Wars S6 during the Clovis arc Multiple things regarding the saber turning red: •First ever live action depiction of the bleeding of a kyber crystal. It’s been shown in a few comics and a game. •Now they’ve established a crystal can be bled not only still in the saber, but also with the saber on. Granted Sol’s saber was damaged, leaving the crystal exposed, so that may have been a factor •They’ve also now established crystals can be bled unintentionally, but so far this is the first instance we’ve seen •Also significant, Osha unintentionally went through a sith rite of passage. According to Palpatine in a comic, Sith don’t bleed their own crystals, they bleed a crystal taken from the saber of a jedi they killed/defeated. Rana’s on the space nazi wizard’s team. Good to know. 18:28 There it is. 😂 What? No. Yoda would be round 800 here, not 100. I left a comment on the episode 7 reaction of red flags about the coven. Might wanna give it a look. Lightwhips have been a thing in Star Wars for a while, though they’re relatively new in canon. Uncommon among the jedi. Their hilts are modified so the containment field of the blade can be made flexible. The jedi are aware of the sith, but not that they’re still around. They think they died after the war with them forever ago, which they mostly did. Darth Bane created the Rule of Two, which includes operating in secret Palpatine’s first name is Sheev
I think it should’ve been cancelled. No not a “agh you salty Star Wars incel!” Kind of way, it just wasn’t overall very good? There’s a couple actors that are doing some incredible work with some incredibly weak scripts, the choreography for a couple of the fight scenes is quite good and others is really all over the place, the sets after the first episode just kind of look bad, and the writing is a mess, and I don’t mean like “oh they changed things” like…it’s a mess, inconsistent, pacing is over the place, the attempt at doing a Rashomon mystery went on too long without a solid enough background to support it. And most importantly for Disney, it was a really expensive mess. I give it credit for attempting to be more original than Obi Wan but man this series left me baffled
The show takes place only about 100 years before the movies, During this time and up till The Phantom Menace, the Jedi think the "Sith have been extinct for a Millenia" according to a Ki-Adi Mundi line in the movie, which technically isn't contradicted in the show because any Jedi that met the stranger died or is covering up a secret. But the Jedi have known about the existence of the Sith for thousands of years, before "the rule of two" there were entire armies of Sith at war with the Jedi. Also, if you're making a show focused on Sith during this time period it makes complete sense that Palgueis is in the picture, And that doesn't mean they're setting him up to be the big bad after Thrawn, But it probably means the longer term plans of this show was to expand the lore about Palpatine's master... Also he was killed by his apprentice in his sleep, according to Palpatine (which the viewer knows was his apprentice)
Late AF, but the show takes place 100 years before Episode I, the Sith were believed to have gone extinct 1,000 years prior and have been trying to stay low profile since then until Episode I when they reveal themselves deliberately. That's why The Stranger said that the Jedi make the rules, and he had to kill all the Jedi who encountered him, the Sith are supposed to be extinct and are kind of a existential threat to the Republic. The only Jedi in this show to know of his existence still is his former master Vernestra, who as we can see, probably whipped his back, and covered up all of the events of the show, so that's why Ki-Adi-Mundi still thinks the Sith are extinct in Episode I. Apparently the choice to put him in the show wasn't actually a deliberate or conscious choice though, they just wanted to use a recognizable Jedi. The reason why the show was cancelled, from what I know, is just that not enough people watched it. It also had a review bombing campaign that happened before the show aired, there were more negative reviews of the show days before the first episode aired than there were total reviews of Ahsoka at that time, and Ahsoka obviously had way more viewers and eyes on it. The review bombing even managed to hit random movies titled "Acolyte." The review bombing was of course coming from the crowd who complains about everything being "woke," and I would not be surprised at the broader hate campaign affecting the show's viewership negatively, and I am pretty sure someone at Lucasfilm (or perhaps higher up) does pay attention to this sort of thing and actually acts on it unfortunately. As for the show being stretched out from a movie? If memory serves correct, that's exactly what happened, and the same thing happened with Kenobi. The Acolyte also had an incredibly massive budget of $180 million (which might have made more sense for a movie) and went over its budget, so it really needed the viewership to justify what was spent on it.
Hello guys. I got a feeling that the Acolyte series is over, but the story of the characters will continue in the future. I think they could gives us a new series with a time jump of several years.
That guy hiding in the cave was Darth Plagueis the Wise, he’s a Sith Lord who trained Darth Sidious/Palpatine as his apprentice and it’s the guy Palpatine told Anakin about in Revenge of the Sith,his full name is Sheev Palpatine
Oh, you guys would've loved Vern if you read the books and her older self being like this adds a lot of layers and storytelling potential to the character.
This show was canceled for several reasons. 1. This was like the most expensive Star Wars show made for Disney+. 2. The viewership of the show was pretty low for a Star Wars show. 3. Last but not least, the reception to the show was generally negative. The show had issues, yes, but that makes it no different than The Clone Wars, the prequel trilogy, the original trilogy, the sequel trilogy, or basically anything else in Star Wars. And the reception to the show, other than the usual bullshit of Disney ruining Star Wars (even though Star Wars has apparently been ruined time and time again, by Disney OR by George Lucas), was mainly referring to the inconsistent writing and pacing, and the lack of understanding of the motivations for many of the characters' decisions. And then most of those people immediately labeled the show as bad and unworthy of a continuation without bothering to remember that most shows don't have great first seasons and that ALL shows deserve at least two seasons to try and find their footing. But the biggest factors were the budget and the viewership. So it's ultimately a business thing at the end of the day, which sucks. Because while the show did have writing problems, the general story and plot was fine, and much better than the prequel trilogy OR the botched execution of its story (imo). Not to mention that it has the best live action Star Wars fights, and I hope that will translate to future live action projects like the upcoming Rey movie and Ahsoka season 2.
3rd point directly correlates with 2nd. For example, I have few irl friends that love Star Wars + I have ~15 friends that I watch movies/tv shows regularly on discord. I watched the show, told everyone that it's really bad and nobody watched it, most of them watched youtube breakdowns and read reviews. Now, imagine tens of thousands of people doing exactly the same. Or even people that are part of bigger communities. It's insane how word of mouth can carry your product, especially when it comes from someone you trust.
@@zzickos I mean, yes, but that speaks more to the general stupidity of people. I never trust anything my friends say when it comes to entertainment, because I always prefer to form my own opinion. Because unlike most people, I'm not an idiot. And also, there are tons of shows that get MORE viewership as negativity towards the show spreads. And conversely, there are shows that either stay at a consistently low rate of viewership or decrease in viewership despite positive word of mouth. So... Fuck, I think I accidentally disproved you, there. I'd sooner say points 1 and 2 go hand in hand than 2 and 3, precisely because high viewership can convince a studio to budget another season. The Sandman on Netflix cost about $10-15 million per episode, for the FIRST season. Viewership was very high, but even then, it BARELY got a second season.
@@ericp1139 Everything I care about seeing? Yes. There are a lot of things I'll never watch because I'm not interested in watching them. But I never let anyone else's opinion be the reason I do or do not watch something.
When a show costs hundreds of millions and brings in moderate viewers and the majority of those viewers were passive or hated it. That’s why it got cancelled I didn’t even hate this show but in the end I definitely didn’t like it
Not to mention critical response. If the show can pick up awards or has that possibility, that’s *something,* but this show absolutely had no chance there.
To be frank, the changes made in the Prequels invited this kind of reading. When you've established that your good and pure order of space paladins recruits toddlers and indoctrinates them into complete suppression of their emotions, it's not at all made clear in the films whether the recruits' families even get a choice in their children being taken by the Jedi, and _none of the resulting creepiness was intentional,_ it's going to hurt a lot of people's ability to see them as being in the right and invite comparisons to religious trauma. The Jedi were written to have, frankly, awful aspects by a writer who didn't see the problems, and basically every Jedi-centric work that came out after the prequels has struggled mightily to reckon with that. Honestly, I wish they'd have the balls to just retcon those things away.
@@Talisguy That was never a problem, it was always by the will of the force... The problem was Palpatine clowding on purpose the sight of the jedis during the prequels, thats why the jedi started making their biggest mistakes
Master Sol's sensitivity was his weakness as a Jedi. His compassion and empathy led him to act irrationally and make poor choices. He lived with the guilt of those decisions until he met his demise. That is truly tragic 😥
@@ericp1139Yoda will later sense Anakin murdering children in a fit of rage years before he turned evil and not say shit about it, so he'll let much worse things slide.
@@Talisguy in the novelization, it explains Yoda sensed Qui Gon shouting out over Anakin. Yoda was more confused of how he could be hearing from a dead Jedi. He could sense Anakin’s suffering, but whether or not he knew the exact details of what happened are debatable. But Acolyte 2 for sure would have implicated him in a cover up. That one scene in Attack of the Clones didn’t suddenly make Yoda a serial conspiracist.
I am liberal, have many gay people I love in my life, and have sex on a regular basis, but this show is objectionably terrible in every sense of the word.
It wouldn't have been as bad if they hadn't tried to make it a 'mystery box' If they just told the story in order, I think more people would have liked it.
*Rana, gawking at the graphics:* Why did this show get cancelled? *People who understand that a series needs a coherent story that isn't poorly paced through mostly filler bullshit, actors that can act, and decent, realistic dialogue:* Other things matter?
I mean, yeah, other things can matter lol. You can enjoy the Acolytes visuals, fights etc. without giving a shit about the story. You can enjoy and dislike different aspects of a thing at the same time.
@@tortoiseoflegends4466but most people do care about the story, that's why it's getting cancelled. Not saying people can't enjoy other things, just that most enjoy the story.
It got canceled because the entire plot made no sense. Why did Mae say she was going to kill her sister? How did a rock mountain catch fire? Why did Sol do ANYTHING he did? Why were the witches singing? It was super weak writing all around. The only good parts were the action scenes. People saw rock catch fire and a coven do a sing-a-long, felt it getting silly, and stopped watching.
Glad to see you guys have enjoyed the acolyte ! Its hard finding channels that have been positive on the show but im glad some of my fave reactors have given great reviews.
Show got cancelled for the INSANE amount of budget and the decline in viewers per week, im sure other factors came into play such as, the bad reception Amandla's Distrack brought, the racists, fans calling other fans racists for having problems with the Canon breaking aspects, Fans upset with the lack of care for star wars shows nowadays (Boba and Kenobi), the inclusion of the spitting image of darth plaguies from the Legends novel as merely nostalgia bait etc. But honestly its best if this show stays cancelled, a controversy like this hasn't been seen since the Last Jedi, and has caused yet another high level of toxicity from BOTH sides of the fandom to rise, which i don't think Disney want again, I'd be happy with a season 2 if it got new writers, who weren't straight up lazy with their writing. But honestly its best if we completely move on from this show. it sucks though, other than Andor Season 2 and maybe the mando movie, STAR WARS is just stale. Edit: Guys can you please do a read along with the Legend Books, although they aren't canon they are still so good to read, and a lot of the stuff, does get stolen from the books and put in canon, like plaguies, thrawn, darth bane and hopefully Mara Jade (I beg).
"fans calling other fans racists for having problems with the Canon breaking aspects" 1. A complete strawman, as that didn't happend. 2. There were no canon breaking aspects. Just people either with low lore knowledge, bad interpretation skills or influenced by youtubers who know jackshit.
Imagine if Disney pulled a bait and switch on everyone... saying they cancelled The Acolyte, only to release a new series with a new title, but still use most of the same characters and actors from this show. I wouldn't be opposed to actually getting a continuation to this, with maybe a fresh set of showrunners and screenwriters. There's a lot of good individual bits and pieces from the show, despite its tumultuous reception.
For Sol's 'reasons': the way I see it is that it's very similar to the residential schools for native americans and missionaries in non-Christian countries - they are so full of pride that they truly believe that any culture other than their own is evil and corrupting children and so the children need to be removed from their family and be made to conform to a Christian life - here, the Jedi life. There are a lot of parallels between the Jedi (overall, not just this show) and missionaries/crusaders/etc who use their religious beliefs to enact violence and control in the world (galaxy) removing children from their indigenous cultures and indoctrinating them into a singular religion/culture. I think Sol truly did believe he was doing what was right because Mother Anasieya was different and therefore must be evil and he and the Jedi had the 'right' (to quote Indara) to children who had the force. I think it's a powerful thing to have Sol never admit he was wrong - when your entire identity is wrapped up in being the 'right' ones, if you admit you weren't right, then your entire identity is called into question and everything crumbles, so no matter what, you just have to deny deny deny and insist that you did the right thing. I think that is highlighted, too, with how Osha always insisted she wanted her own life, that she and Mae weren't the same person, and The Stranger saw it too, but Sol absolutely refused to listen to Osha (or Mae) and continued to insist that they were the same person. He ignored any knowledge that didn't come from him and the Jedi and used that as 'justification' for his actions. Honestly, if the person who lied to me my entire life in order to get me to hate my own family just so he could have sole (lol Sol) custody of me and only love him, and then when it comes out he was the one who broke into my house and murdered my mother, my sister was trying to get HELP for the fire, then justified it by trying to say 'I murdered your family and made you think your sister was to blame, then instead of putting you in normal foster care where you could have some emotional healing, I insisted you instead train in my religious organization that will tell you you're evil for your emotions, all because I love you', I'd have killed his ass too.
Come on guys, don't be..... THAT. There are plot points you can't even follow and you say the story is good? It was entertaining to watch because it was sooo bad, but seeing you guys trying to validate it, it's sad. Ignoring scenes that never went anywhere (Bazil), trying to explain away other continuity problems, it's like your auditioning to be the next great Disney Shill. Just be honest and I will respect you so much for it.
They did a good base story about a sith aprentice finding an acolyte to kill his master (plagueis) and continue the rule of two, wich we know that never hapened cause plagueis trained sidious. But it was a good plot for season 2. However it was cancelled because of all the injustificated hate, hope the series returns at some time
It was a good show for those who enjoyed it, if you don't like it then don't watch. Simple as that, no idea why people who didn't like it went on a crusade to get it cancelled. Like go outside for once fr.
@dragerdet the reason it got canceled was because people didn't watch it. There was no "crusade" to get it canceled. People were just sharing their complaints about the show. This belief that you're in the wrong for hating a show is ridiculous. The same goes for people hating those who genuinely did like it. It's been impossible to find any reasonable discourse about the show involving disagreement without the whole conversation becoming uncivilized.
@@dragerdetbecause it’s twitter, companies aren’t going to listen to what twitter has to say, especially big companies like Disney. It was cancelled due to the very low viewership:budget ratio. You could make an argument that people didn’t watch because people said it was bad, but then I just blame people for not wanting to form their own opinion.
@@dragerdet companies don't listen to being asking for shows to get cancelled lmao. Viewership and ratings are the only thing they care about. Like ya'll think after Goblin Slayer aired, every pissed off white-girl in American screaming about it on Tumblr and Twitter got the attention of people in Japan???? No lol. Hell, Mulan 2020 was scene as a "Objective Success" by the higher ups. They really don't pay attention to what people say online LMAO
From what some articles are saying the show mainly got cancelled because the viewership was low and the cost for it was high. From Disney's perspective they probably think it's not worth the money if the first season failed to bring in a massive amount of viewership.
They were created using unnatural force manipulation experiments, to be used as dark side weapons of the Sith. From that point of view, Sol thought their mother was a threat to the Jedi and the entire republic.
Why did this show get cancelled? Because the characters are awful and morally bankrupt, the writing is contrived and wastes valuable time, its protagonist and her foil (Mae) have no relationship and fail to guide the show. So many problems are solved if the characters think even a little, but the writers keep making them dumber to facilitate their awful story. I'm glad you enjoyed it, at least someone did. But this is some of the worst Star Wars TV has offered us. It's good that it won't be perpetuated.
@@cflash2785 I’m aware, I’m just curious if any of the people claiming this can actually articulate what was bad about the writing… I’ve yet to see anyone do so, just personal gripes that they didn’t like something that happened and not because it was actually poorly written
Don’t forget that force powers are very visually attuned to whatever side of the force they originated from, turning into a black mist demon? Possession apparently from what mother korill did to kelnaca what would possessing her kid do in that situation? 😮
A couple of simple answers: -nobody watched it (by far the least streamed Star Wars Disney shows) -except for the the fights, the look was awful… only Book of Boba Fett looked cheaper and more like cosplay then a high value production -the acting, except for Sol, was mostly mediocre (and I mean acting, not the choreographies!) -the writing was all over the place and often made little sense or was even stupid! The pacing and structure was a catastrophy, runtime with two episodes dedicated to a flashback which was basically the very same event from 2 perspectives was ill used/too short and the end to abruptly -it was ridiculous expensive! On the same level as a Star Wars movie, but you cannot see it in a single episode on screen! It cost far more then Ahsoka, Mandalorisn, Kenobi and Andor who all have better writing, better looking costumes, better looking effects, better looking everything except for fighting scenes I wanted this show to succeed since they first introduced it some years ago when presented all the shows in production because the era is interesting and following some dark siders during the Jedi‘s peak in history could have been extremely interesting. But the secondary characters weren’t developed really good and for most I didn‘t really care… Sol‘s Padawan was the most interesting and the only impact I felt when she died in episode 5, the rest were a couple of redshirts and tools
...that was a transportation ability...one they used ON-SCREEN in the show. She was trying to send her away. Sol didn't KNOW that and thought she was trying to hurt her. That was one of the most obvious depictions of events in the entire show.
@@BryanTheDM the kids don't have that ability and did you see her face right before? you're saying that based on what? Mae said they were gonna be sacrificed
@@davidnobre5660 Based on the fact that the witches all disintegrate to teleport away and the "sacrifice" was Mae misremembering Aniseya's words when Mae was ascended. There's no reason for us, the viewers, to think that Mae was in danger. Aniseya's still an idiot for not clearly explaining that she was going to let Osha go before things went sideways, there's plenty to criticise in that episode, but pick your battles.
@@Talisguy Why not just grab Mae and leave? why do you say Mae misremenbered the girls were gonna be sacrificed, that's why they were created, the coven wanted their power Sol sensed this
the guy you saw in the cave before Qimir and Ossa left the planet was Darth Plageuis the master of Darth Sidious the one that sidious told anaken that he can bring people back after death and to keep people from dying inorder to convince anakin to join him
I get being such a fan that you can't accept anything but perfection, but to go so hard for that belief that you get a show cancelled, that seems too far. That was one of the coolest sith enemies I've ever encountered in the series, and I hate having to see him go. I wish the fanbase had allowed the show to cook; learn from its failures and improve on a season 2.
It wasn't the backlash that the director and star caused, it was the over expensive budget paired with the lowest viewership of any Star Wars show, maybe even of a Disney+ show.
I dont think the fan base has power like that. All they can do is not watch and give negative reviews. The people who gave tons of negative reviews before the show came out are very childish and silly. I think it was mainly a response to whatever information mightve been revealed by Lesley during interviews, which if u dont like or fully agree with what she's saying I think that's fine, but the negative reviewing without watching is pure cringe.
Market's confusion and questions throughout ep 1 - 8 are so incredibly valid. What her and Chris had a problem with is what I feel most people who had valid opinions about what was wrong with this show is why the show got canceled. Yes, the visuals are awesome and the fights were well choreographed but that is not a story, at best they are really pretty pictures.
180 million for 2 lightsaber fights 2 cameos 2 flashbacks 😒forget the money and look at the story telling some parts are great but as a whole it’s a mess we were going to go into season two really asking how were the twins made why plagueis and vinestra threw him away lmao two questions and quimeer killed jacki kalnaka yord and the other Jedi with them besides sol all in front of osha she is the fakest person ever jacki could never had been a friend let alone yord who she already knew
For me, Sol has to be the most tragic depiction of a Jedi on screen. His portrayal, inherent empathy and inevitable downfall deeply affected me. Flawed but fascinating 👏
@dragoblade995 I felt absolutely nothing for either of them. Obi-Wan is thinly characterised and solo carried by the skill and charisma of his actor and Anakin is a whiny murderous pissant long before he falls. We're expected to feel sympathy for a character who's already committed mass infanticide before he falls to the Dark Side? Nah. Never landed for me. For all the problems I had with The Acolyte's writing, I still wound up giving a shit about Sol. More than I can say for anyone in the prequels.
@@Talisguy I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it but I wouldn't say that to other fan's cause you sound like you never watched the prequels and it would make you sound like a fake fan
@@dragoblade995 So you respect my opinion, but you don't think I watched the films or that I sound like a "real fan" because that opinion is different from yours. ...Right.
@@Talisguy the majority of fans share the same opinion if you go around insulting their favorite character for some unknown new character that people just got to know what do you think people will call you not a true fan that's for sure
The show was canceled because there were literally 3 relevant episodes in the entire season. You can't fail to create a compelling story, and then expect the viewer to care about ambiguous plot twists. The show was bad. No red pill issues. I'm desperate for inclusive story telling, but the vast majority of new SW content is just vapid and smooth brained.
literally this ^ its not rocket science why this show got canceled, smooth brained writing can only maintain audience viewership for so long before the audience decides they want something more compelling and thought provoking
Fairly certain the person int he cave was Plaqueus. As for Sol... I don't think his killing the Mom was a clearly bad as you all make it out to be. From Sol's perspective he saw the Mom start to turn into smoke and then saw Mei, who he believed was Osha in the moment, start to dissipate into smoke. He had no idea at that moment that she intended to let Osha go with him, technically he still didn't know at the end. The point, given his indoctrination into the Jedi way of thinking about the Force, he saw the coven as being on the bad side of the Force and using the children for nefarious ends. So he reacted to what he saw as an attack from the Mom in that moment. Lying about it was probably wrong, it's easy to just say it is, but it's very similar to what we actually do to children who only have one parent or have lost both on a regular basis in our actual reality. Adoptive parents don't tell their kid they're adopted. Single Moms obfuscate about missing fathers. Grandparents lie about parents who are absent because of drugs, deaths, or prison. None of that is to say Sol, or the others in that group, were right overall, but I think the show was trying to display that there aren't always clear cut black and white takes on everything. Hence, the Jedi aren't always the good guys. And, as a final note, I think Chris is entirely fucking wrong about the story, there was so much depth in what was being developed.
Roughly 100-180 years before the prequel. Not 1000. 4:19 "Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Plagueis, the Wise?" Plagueis was Palpatine's master 7:21 Spidey, Sith don't have padawans. Disciples, apprentices, or... acolytes. 13:08 Jedi Survivor... the rogue High Republic Jedi 28:34 There weren't any Jedi in Rouge One 33:30 Andor, had one... kinda. With Bix Caleen and her wasteman BF Cad Bane lives... maybe? People have issue with the show because it contradicts a lot of established lore, e.g. the Plauegis book and some things set up in the Prequels... like Anakin being a virgance (sp?) in the force. It got canceled because it had the lowest ratings for any D+ SW show Star Wars Theory and/or Stupendous Wave can get you caught up on lore/history. They are the two biggest SW channels on YT
🤔"Always two there are, a Master and an Apprentice...." 😎"...and an Acolyte" 😏"...and an Alternate" 🧐"...and an Assistant" 🤪"...and a Second Apprentice" 😁"...and a Secret Apprentice" 💀"... I don't think they know about the Secret Apprentice." 🤔 All of this just to force one of the twins to self-discover [Force Choke] and [Khyber Bleeding].... mmmkay. With [Psychometry] still reading echoes of Events over sixteen years old, Plus all the eyewitness accounts of the initial Jedi murders, (And the mind wiped suspect in custody) Vernestra's Coverup seems to be on extremely weak legs. Mae is a known liability to the Ro2, and must either die or be mind wiped..... so sayeth Darth Smeagol the Wise (we see you Plaegius, gooning in the cave) (Just like Shmi Skywalker's Senate internship alongside Sheev Palpatine and their debauched dalliance was) I still say the helmet's ability to provide [Force Masking] is NOT because it is made of Cortosis, but rather the Sith Alchemy rituals that were used to make it a component of Dark Armor. What it was made for, not what it was made from.
To be honest, it probably was cancelled because the people who produced it were kinda annoying (e.g. people who didn't see this series are considered racist according to them, and some other stuff), and the masses didn't like that, obviously. That's partly why the low views 😂 The janky writing/plotline etc are just the icing on the cake.
Nah none of you understand. You’re seeing things through the lens of OUR society. The Jedi needs to be involved in every force sensitive person because they have the potential to fall under the darkside. Besides that coven perverted the force by creating a being (twins)
My take on 'is The Stranger evil': Honestly, I don't think so. Is he an uwu bb just misunderstood cinnamon roll? No. I really agree with Chris' assessment. The only things we know he did was 1) train Mae and help her kill the jedi who murdered her family and 2) kill soldiers of an oppressive religion who were about to discover his existence and then hunt him down and kill him or imprison him for life. For number 1, in other stories, Mae and The Stranger would have been the heroes, or at least, anti-heroes out on a revenge quest so I don't consider that evil. If the Jedi had been held accountable for their actions by the Council, then fine, but as they got off scott free (at least, institutionally - Torbin she gave the option to turn himself in and admit what he did, he chose to kill himself rather than face justice), revenge it is. For the second thing, it's in a grey area, for sure, but I personally don't condemn violent resistance to oppression - and no, they don't have to literally have a knife at your throat before you're allowed to fight back. We'll never know the entire scope of The Stranger's ideology because the show was cancelled, but I'd be interested to see what more he believes before making the judgement of if his prior actions made him deserve to be stopped. Yes, he killed Jecki, but she was a child soldier trained and brought into the field by the Jedi. He only killed enemy combatants - he didn't go off killing any civilians in any of the places he was in (that we saw). If the Jedi didn't want children to die in battle, they probably should stop training them to be in battle and then taking them out into the field.
Why did it get cancelled? It's one of the worst writting things i've ever seen and just bad overal... so basically everything star wars since disney bought it 😅
"Why did this show get cancelled??" I'll make it easy for everyone: mediocre viewership + hyper expensive show = cancelled every time. I hope you enjoyed my TED talk.
Andor had lower ratings and cost more but it got a 2nd season. The big change now is that reportedly Disney is scaling back to only have one Star Wars live action show a year. 2025 has Andor Season 2. 2026 has Ahsoka Season 2. So the earliest it could have aired was 2027, which is too long of a wait for the viewership it has. LucasFilm is now focusing on more Star Wars movies. A few years ago they were working on Obi-wan and Boba Fett movies and then those were adapted to become Disney+ shows. Now they are going the other way with the Mandalorian becoming a movie as is Donald Glover's Lando.
@@MatthewFabb did you adjust per minute? Andor has 4 more episodes and Acolyte was ridiculously short in terms of run time per episode. That's the big issue, $250m for what we got is ridiculous. 250 minutes of TV content. And not gorgeous in production value like Andor, just mid (sets, costumes, makeup, locations, cgi, etc). Also, Andor got heaps and heaps of praise, including critical praise (not bloggers championing "diversity", but real critics) and that always helps shows survive being cancelled for being pricey with mid viewership numbers. Andor is going into S2 with a ton of hype and praise, aka positivity, while Acolyte would be debuting S2 to a ton of negativity (lots of it fair criticism) and renewing a show that's expensive and the vibes meter is pointing down... Companies don't do that.
@@nathanp2007 there was more content for Andor, but it doesn't matter if people aren't watching the show. I like Andor but it also got a lot of critism that it was dry, slow and boring, with some people thinking it's the worst live action Star Wars show. Andor got a 2nd season only because it came out when Disney was spending a lot of money for more Disney+ content. If Andor season 1 came out in 2024, it would have never gotten a season 2. Just like Acolyte would have very likely gotten a season 2 if it came out a few years ago. Right now Disney has been cutting down on the amount of original content to make Disney+ profitable. It's really hard to make Star Wars content cheaply, so Disney is now pulling back to just one Star Wars show a year.
@@MatthewFabb a "lot of criticism" is a stretch, and "some people think it's the worst" is not worth mentioning they're such a small minority. It's criticism was largely the first few episodes which were a slow building burn, but then it popped off and people said the slow burn was worth it and after it was over the season as a whole was great. The content minutes matter cause I mentioned and you mentioned the cost per episode and per season. Comparing season to season when one season is actually significantly longer in minutes, means it's an incomplete comparison and potentially in bad faith if they know that. I'm not saying you're wrong about the eras of Disney spending and renewing btw. But we can't know for sure.
@@nathanp2007 the criticism against Andor went far beyond the first couple of episodes. Once again, I personally really liked Andor but it just didn't work for a chunk of the audience. Online and in person, I've seen Star Wars fans list Andor as the worst Star Wars live action series. There are places that track minutes viewed of a season show that Acolyte was watched for more minutes than Andor despite there being more content to watch for Andor. A longer season should be an advantage when looking at total minutes watched, but it didn't help Andor. Once again, the amount of minutes per season doesn't matter if an audience doesn't show up and watch all those longer seasons.
Fun fact: Han Solo said the line, "Then I'll see you in HELL!" in Episode V, Empire Strikes Back..... in NINETEEN-F'ING-EIGHTY!!! I'm actually going to be NICE here, and not answer "why did they cancel this show?"..... But I'm pretty sure you can figure it out. Personally, I *LOVED* this show! Edit: Yes, the Sith in the cave was indeed Plagues (however you spell it). Likely when he was an apprentice himself. Just as Sidious had Maul as an apprentice while he was an apprentice, so Plagues had Qimir as one himself, OR, Qimir was just a "non-affiliated" Dark Side user (like the witches). Also, the fact that Vernestra was willing to throw Sol under the bus (not without some merit, obviously) to Yoda and the Republic..... also shows the beginning of the hubris that infected the Jedi Order and caused their downfall. But I actually DID like how the twins were created, which laid the foundation for how Anakin was created, although it COULD have been explained a little better. The series DID have some flaws, but overall I really enjoyed it... and I'll stand by that.
@@IggyStardust1967 I appreciate your answer. It’s nice to see someone defending the things they liked instead of hurling insults. I wasn’t really into the show. Not my least favourite Star Wars show, but not something I liked all that much. I find it disheartening that instead of engaging in a dialogue about it, so many people are simply telling me that I’m ‘toxic’ and ‘not a real Star Wars fan despite the fact that I’ve loved this franchise since before I could formulate memory. Anyways, I’m glad you took some enjoyment from it.
@@jodynelson2055 Thank you for your reply. I am always respectful when I comment, because I see the level of toxicity out there, and do not want to contribute to it. The show DID have some flaw, I'm willing to admit that. I'm also willing to offer suggestions (constructive criticisms) to make it better next time around. But I'm always respectful. I was 10 years old when Star Wars hit theaters in 1977, and it literally changed my life. I have been a fan ever since. It's fine if someone doesn't like a part of it they see, and I won't attack them for having an opinion. So, with that in mind, if you would like some reasonable discourse of whatever part of Star Wars you fancy, or even don't like... I am a safe person to talk about it to. Everyone is different, with different life experiences. Myself, I have a history with witchcraft, which gave me a rather unique view of this series. It's funny, because I associate the more "toxic" people with the major religions of our own world. The way the Jedi are portrayed here, is a very different view than most are used to, and they took offense to it. However, it's like holding a mirror up at their beliefs and them not liking what they see. In fact, I'll invoke "They Live" as a reference point. Once you see the truth for what it is, and everything you think you know is called into question........ How do you respond? I've lived through that, and thankfully, come out a better person (at least, I like to think).
Nah I think this show was horrible. I don’t know if this is true or not but I’ve heard that Disney is thinking about making a series based of the The Old Republic game and this is making me worried with how they’ve treated the franchise recently, in my opinion, if you like it that’s all good. Hell any one of the cinematic trailers to the games, again in my opinion, are better than any of the episodes of this series.
@@daurydavis3983Ah yes, anyone that dislikes The Acolyte is a Karen. Once again, I suggest you look up what it actually means since you clearly lack critical thinking skills.
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Stranger: *kills a bunch of jedi investigating a string of murders*
Normies: Is he evil though...?
With his reason being I don’t want to follow the law.
Because those who uphold the law, murder mothers in front of their children and cover it up... And also kidnap children by rhetoric@@agarciahunter
Ah but you see, he's hot. So it's ok.
@@Biostar96 facts 😂
Normies: we team Stranger!
lol at Rana acting like she was neutral party and not team Stranger from day one.
"That" is Darth Plagueis the Wise, a Muun sith lord alleged to have trained Darth Sidious. The subject of the fable told to Anakin about immortality.
'alleged', "he unfortunately taught his apprentice everything he ever knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep"
Nah that’s just some weird alien living in a cave.
@@agarciahunter you're right. If it was actually Plagueis they would've made a second season of the show, right?
@@BasicWizard god no. This show was so horrible that wouldn’t have done a thing but make people angry. Besides do you want these talentless hacks writing a Plagueis story? Especially when it will probably just be stuff stolen from legends and shit?
@@agarciahunter well, I actually enjoyed alot of this show.
14:36 funny that they've been saying over and over again that the Jedi wipe people's memories and then that's exactly what Qimir does xD
Something they didn’t really get across is that Mae and Osha is a pendulum in the Force. Osha went dark side as Mae went light. Neither could be light or dark at the same time. Mae in the beginning would have fought. Instead, by the end, she mostly ran away or stood down. Osha seemingly became really aggressive out of no where. But if you think about it, the flip happened when Mae decided to turn herself in to Kelnacca. We see Osha become more aggressive and take shots.
Interesting. That's a tasty lore nugget my dude.
You guys HAVE seen Plagueis' species before. They were the banking clan people in Clone Wars with the really long heads, called Munn (pronounced 'Mune'). Darth Plagueis just looks more messed up because his body is corrupted by the dark side.
*Muun
If you have to ask...
The strangers ship only holds two people.
The Stranger wanted to kill everyone who knew his face and Mae who betrayed him. Osha saved her life by offering herself as his apprentice who compromised by erasing her sister's mind instead.
Sol killed the mother because of a misunderstanding. He heard that the twins were sacrificed in the ritual, he saw Mae and thought it was Osha, saw the mother perform some magic he had never seen before and it was causing Mae to disappear. He thought she was killing Mae and wanted to protect the twins.
He jumped the gun and was in the wrong, but he thought he was saving Mae from being sacrificed. That is why he continued to defend himself.
So normies in your opinion are the Sith the good guys?
And the Orks were innocent!
Evil is a point of view
-lmao we all know who said it
@@Steven-093 I missed that who said it?
@@Antony-bp2yh 🤨
I think the show is trying to say there aren't always clear cut "good" guys and "bad" guys. Nobody's perfect and everything has consequences. Sometimes really bad unintended consequences but which make sense from another person's perspective based on their own circumstances. You don't have to agree with their decisions but its supposed to make you feel what they're going through. Its ok to be like i dont think they made the right call but you still feel what they were going through and to an extend you can understand where they're coming from.
Edit: Unless you don't feel anything then i get your confusion and we have a bigger problem.
The thing about Sol's group is what happened with them was an exception to the norm, we hear the council advising the correct course of action, but by the time they received word the damage had been done by both parties.
Even so, Sol himself wasn't actually a bad person he just become so blinded by guilt he tried to justify the tragedy he was part of, and Mae and Osha had to endure the fallout, making them vulnerable to Sith influence.
As that for that Senator he represents the beginning of the rift of distrust between the Senate and Jedi that will one day lead to them growing more self serving and corrupt until they applaud the rise of the Empire and genocide of the Jedi.
And Vernestra, what exactly is she supposed to do, all she knows is someone she thought was dead is still alive but not _how_ he's involved in this mess of a situation.
Well stated
The point of Vader and the prequels is that the Jedi have fallen into their arrogance. That is shown in this series. We always see things from the Jedi hero pov. Never thinking that the Jedi take babies, push their weight around and put a monopoly on the Force. Vader became a reset button for the Jedi. Luke became what the Jedi should be. A scholar of the Force. In all aspects. Not just the Republic Jedi way (which was corrupted).
@@jinxie712 The arrogant Jedi in question was Anakin.
The only thing the prequel Jedi were really guilty of was becoming complacent with their public image, thinking their actions would speak for themselves, because other than being forced by outside factors (the Sith) into impossible positions, and the individual outliners who fall, (Dooku, Anakin, Krell) they are otherwise portrayed as upstanding and noble.
This whole "the Jedi had it coming" angle Legends tried to sell was never the intention of the films.
22:45 Been a thing since very early Legends, very close to the release of the OT, Vernestra’s was just the first in Canon. The hilt’s magnetism that keeps the beam of light controlled is just less strong allowing it to bend.
Sheev is Palpatine’s first name guys.
Main reason it got canceled bc no one watched it.
Plus it was a bad show lol
just cost
More lies from a racist misogynist
Whatever the organics did in the series, the one I feel bad for is Pip. Being reset to factory settings sounds like an extreme violation.
Feels like that was written by the writers in staff that have never watched Star Wars before. They view Droids as equivalent to iPhones.
Yes, Hell has been a thing in Star Wars since EpV. Han tells a guy “I’ll see you in hell!”
19:31 YES IT WAS PLAGUEIS! It’s been confirmed. And we finally see that his canon race is the same as in Legends, Muun (pronounced like immune). Muuns are most often associated with the Banking Clan. One briefly appeared in Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, and a bunch more prominently appeared in Clone Wars S6 during the Clovis arc
Multiple things regarding the saber turning red:
•First ever live action depiction of the bleeding of a kyber crystal. It’s been shown in a few comics and a game.
•Now they’ve established a crystal can be bled not only still in the saber, but also with the saber on. Granted Sol’s saber was damaged, leaving the crystal exposed, so that may have been a factor
•They’ve also now established crystals can be bled unintentionally, but so far this is the first instance we’ve seen
•Also significant, Osha unintentionally went through a sith rite of passage. According to Palpatine in a comic, Sith don’t bleed their own crystals, they bleed a crystal taken from the saber of a jedi they killed/defeated.
Rana’s on the space nazi wizard’s team. Good to know. 18:28 There it is. 😂
What? No. Yoda would be round 800 here, not 100.
I left a comment on the episode 7 reaction of red flags about the coven. Might wanna give it a look.
Lightwhips have been a thing in Star Wars for a while, though they’re relatively new in canon. Uncommon among the jedi. Their hilts are modified so the containment field of the blade can be made flexible.
The jedi are aware of the sith, but not that they’re still around. They think they died after the war with them forever ago, which they mostly did. Darth Bane created the Rule of Two, which includes operating in secret
Palpatine’s first name is Sheev
Since the show was canceled and that alien was never named “Plagueis” it’s not Plagueis. It’s just some random ass muun that also lives in the cave.
@@agarciahunter bein canceled doesn't decanonize it.
What about revenge of the sith? They appeared there as well. Also for the crystal thing part of her hand was touching it.
@@Greenhawk4 oh yeah, I guess San Hill would’ve been with the separatist leaders
4:22- Did you ever hear "the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise"? Of course not, it hasn't happened yet.
I think it should’ve been cancelled. No not a “agh you salty Star Wars incel!” Kind of way, it just wasn’t overall very good?
There’s a couple actors that are doing some incredible work with some incredibly weak scripts, the choreography for a couple of the fight scenes is quite good and others is really all over the place, the sets after the first episode just kind of look bad, and the writing is a mess, and I don’t mean like “oh they changed things” like…it’s a mess, inconsistent, pacing is over the place, the attempt at doing a Rashomon mystery went on too long without a solid enough background to support it.
And most importantly for Disney, it was a really expensive mess. I give it credit for attempting to be more original than Obi Wan but man this series left me baffled
The show takes place only about 100 years before the movies,
During this time and up till The Phantom Menace, the Jedi think the "Sith have been extinct for a Millenia" according to a Ki-Adi Mundi line in the movie, which technically isn't contradicted in the show because any Jedi that met the stranger died or is covering up a secret.
But the Jedi have known about the existence of the Sith for thousands of years, before "the rule of two" there were entire armies of Sith at war with the Jedi.
Also, if you're making a show focused on Sith during this time period it makes complete sense that Palgueis is in the picture,
And that doesn't mean they're setting him up to be the big bad after Thrawn, But it probably means the longer term plans of this show was to expand the lore about Palpatine's master... Also he was killed by his apprentice in his sleep, according to Palpatine (which the viewer knows was his apprentice)
Late AF, but the show takes place 100 years before Episode I, the Sith were believed to have gone extinct 1,000 years prior and have been trying to stay low profile since then until Episode I when they reveal themselves deliberately. That's why The Stranger said that the Jedi make the rules, and he had to kill all the Jedi who encountered him, the Sith are supposed to be extinct and are kind of a existential threat to the Republic. The only Jedi in this show to know of his existence still is his former master Vernestra, who as we can see, probably whipped his back, and covered up all of the events of the show, so that's why Ki-Adi-Mundi still thinks the Sith are extinct in Episode I. Apparently the choice to put him in the show wasn't actually a deliberate or conscious choice though, they just wanted to use a recognizable Jedi.
The reason why the show was cancelled, from what I know, is just that not enough people watched it. It also had a review bombing campaign that happened before the show aired, there were more negative reviews of the show days before the first episode aired than there were total reviews of Ahsoka at that time, and Ahsoka obviously had way more viewers and eyes on it. The review bombing even managed to hit random movies titled "Acolyte." The review bombing was of course coming from the crowd who complains about everything being "woke," and I would not be surprised at the broader hate campaign affecting the show's viewership negatively, and I am pretty sure someone at Lucasfilm (or perhaps higher up) does pay attention to this sort of thing and actually acts on it unfortunately.
As for the show being stretched out from a movie? If memory serves correct, that's exactly what happened, and the same thing happened with Kenobi. The Acolyte also had an incredibly massive budget of $180 million (which might have made more sense for a movie) and went over its budget, so it really needed the viewership to justify what was spent on it.
I honestly feel sorry for the cast, especially Manny.
Nah, he was crying over Tom Cruise cutting his scenes in Maverick. He might just have to accept he isn’t good at acting.
Hello guys. I got a feeling that the Acolyte series is over, but the story of the characters will continue in the future. I think they could gives us a new series with a time jump of several years.
Yh I think so
Almost 300 m for this and for obi (Reva) show 90 m plus the lack of viewership is bad
Why did this show get cancelled?? This is not a real question right?
That guy hiding in the cave was Darth Plagueis the Wise, he’s a Sith Lord who trained Darth Sidious/Palpatine as his apprentice and it’s the guy Palpatine told Anakin about in Revenge of the Sith,his full name is Sheev Palpatine
Oh, you guys would've loved Vern if you read the books and her older self being like this adds a lot of layers and storytelling potential to the character.
Bazil said I work for the senate bro. Lol
This show was canceled for several reasons.
1. This was like the most expensive Star Wars show made for Disney+.
2. The viewership of the show was pretty low for a Star Wars show.
3. Last but not least, the reception to the show was generally negative. The show had issues, yes, but that makes it no different than The Clone Wars, the prequel trilogy, the original trilogy, the sequel trilogy, or basically anything else in Star Wars. And the reception to the show, other than the usual bullshit of Disney ruining Star Wars (even though Star Wars has apparently been ruined time and time again, by Disney OR by George Lucas), was mainly referring to the inconsistent writing and pacing, and the lack of understanding of the motivations for many of the characters' decisions. And then most of those people immediately labeled the show as bad and unworthy of a continuation without bothering to remember that most shows don't have great first seasons and that ALL shows deserve at least two seasons to try and find their footing.
But the biggest factors were the budget and the viewership. So it's ultimately a business thing at the end of the day, which sucks. Because while the show did have writing problems, the general story and plot was fine, and much better than the prequel trilogy OR the botched execution of its story (imo). Not to mention that it has the best live action Star Wars fights, and I hope that will translate to future live action projects like the upcoming Rey movie and Ahsoka season 2.
3rd point directly correlates with 2nd. For example, I have few irl friends that love Star Wars + I have ~15 friends that I watch movies/tv shows regularly on discord. I watched the show, told everyone that it's really bad and nobody watched it, most of them watched youtube breakdowns and read reviews. Now, imagine tens of thousands of people doing exactly the same. Or even people that are part of bigger communities. It's insane how word of mouth can carry your product, especially when it comes from someone you trust.
@@zzickos I mean, yes, but that speaks more to the general stupidity of people. I never trust anything my friends say when it comes to entertainment, because I always prefer to form my own opinion. Because unlike most people, I'm not an idiot.
And also, there are tons of shows that get MORE viewership as negativity towards the show spreads. And conversely, there are shows that either stay at a consistently low rate of viewership or decrease in viewership despite positive word of mouth. So... Fuck, I think I accidentally disproved you, there.
I'd sooner say points 1 and 2 go hand in hand than 2 and 3, precisely because high viewership can convince a studio to budget another season. The Sandman on Netflix cost about $10-15 million per episode, for the FIRST season. Viewership was very high, but even then, it BARELY got a second season.
@@DarthTingleBinksdo you really have so much time in your life that you can give every piece of media a chance just so you can “see for yourself?”
@@ericp1139 Everything I care about seeing? Yes. There are a lot of things I'll never watch because I'm not interested in watching them. But I never let anyone else's opinion be the reason I do or do not watch something.
@@DarthTingleBinks 💯
My biggest issue is that Ohsa wanted to side with him after he literally just killed her friends in the jedi order. Like wut?
She knew Jecki for like a week. And does Yord know he is friends with her? 😂
When a show costs hundreds of millions and brings in moderate viewers and the majority of those viewers were passive or hated it. That’s why it got cancelled I didn’t even hate this show but in the end I definitely didn’t like it
Not to mention critical response. If the show can pick up awards or has that possibility, that’s *something,* but this show absolutely had no chance there.
To be fair it was also a bit overhated and people were review bombing episodes before they even released. It never even had a chance.
@@Greenhawk4then when the series came out, it justified those review bombings.
@@aquashuriken1634 Not really. You guys had your minds made up before watching it. And that’s just wild trying to justify review bombing.
Y'all really blinded with Jedi hate. It's wild how it warped your basic remembrance of the story. The Jedi ain't your outlet for religious trauma.
Somebody sounds mad
@@mhernandez5624the LORMIES?? Be fuckin fr I bet you dont miss a single reaction tf 🤣
@@Say0nn. Thats the sound of facts
To be frank, the changes made in the Prequels invited this kind of reading. When you've established that your good and pure order of space paladins recruits toddlers and indoctrinates them into complete suppression of their emotions, it's not at all made clear in the films whether the recruits' families even get a choice in their children being taken by the Jedi, and _none of the resulting creepiness was intentional,_ it's going to hurt a lot of people's ability to see them as being in the right and invite comparisons to religious trauma.
The Jedi were written to have, frankly, awful aspects by a writer who didn't see the problems, and basically every Jedi-centric work that came out after the prequels has struggled mightily to reckon with that. Honestly, I wish they'd have the balls to just retcon those things away.
@@Talisguy That was never a problem, it was always by the will of the force... The problem was Palpatine clowding on purpose the sight of the jedis during the prequels, thats why the jedi started making their biggest mistakes
"Why did this show get canceled?"
Cuz its bad... duh
Why do people post such thoughtless comments?
Cause they're idiots, duh
@@sreyangovender3404 Get a life, kid
Nope
@@daurydavis3983 it's OK to like garbage.
Lying about it, saying it ain't garbage isn't ok.
@@Zeradias poor racist misogynist
why this show was canceled the power of Sexism, the power of Racism , THE POWER OF HAATTEEE
Let the HATE flow through you
Master Sol's sensitivity was his weakness as a Jedi. His compassion and empathy led him to act irrationally and make poor choices. He lived with the guilt of those decisions until he met his demise. That is truly tragic 😥
If he wasn’t they would try to paint him as “bad”
And yet, his emotional sensitivity wasn’t sensed by other Jedi, like Yoda?
@@ericp1139Yoda will later sense Anakin murdering children in a fit of rage years before he turned evil and not say shit about it, so he'll let much worse things slide.
@@Talisguy in the novelization, it explains Yoda sensed Qui Gon shouting out over Anakin. Yoda was more confused of how he could be hearing from a dead Jedi. He could sense Anakin’s suffering, but whether or not he knew the exact details of what happened are debatable. But Acolyte 2 for sure would have implicated him in a cover up. That one scene in Attack of the Clones didn’t suddenly make Yoda a serial conspiracist.
So a "good" Jedi should be one lacking in compassion and empathy? 🤨
I am liberal, have many gay people I love in my life, and have sex on a regular basis, but this show is objectionably terrible in every sense of the word.
What does having sex have to do with your statement? 😂
@Villakeen A lot of dummies love saying that only incels hate this show, so thought I'd throw that in there.
@@chumbimba83It's so true. Like without a doubt their are people who hate just to hate, but at least call out the other reasons too. Come on man. :(
It wouldn't have been as bad if they hadn't tried to make it a 'mystery box' If they just told the story in order, I think more people would have liked it.
Sure, sport.
*Rana, gawking at the graphics:* Why did this show get cancelled?
*People who understand that a series needs a coherent story that isn't poorly paced through mostly filler bullshit, actors that can act, and decent, realistic dialogue:* Other things matter?
Add into the mix an overexpensive budget and the lowest viewship of any Star Wars series, maybe even of a Disney+ show.
Can you believe this show cost $300m? lmao (yes its now 300 from 220 lmao)
@@loreking486I thought it was 400m
I mean, yeah, other things can matter lol. You can enjoy the Acolytes visuals, fights etc. without giving a shit about the story.
You can enjoy and dislike different aspects of a thing at the same time.
@@tortoiseoflegends4466but most people do care about the story, that's why it's getting cancelled. Not saying people can't enjoy other things, just that most enjoy the story.
Because the writing was terrible.
Nope
Agreed
14:49 the ship only has room for two
Thank you guys for watching the show (:
Suraj watches Red Letter Media, but doesn’t get that they make fun of people like him
Nah I know, trust me. They would hate me but I still love watching them lol. “AT-ST!!”
I hope Normies and RLM can do a collaboration.
It got canceled because the entire plot made no sense. Why did Mae say she was going to kill her sister? How did a rock mountain catch fire? Why did Sol do ANYTHING he did? Why were the witches singing? It was super weak writing all around. The only good parts were the action scenes. People saw rock catch fire and a coven do a sing-a-long, felt it getting silly, and stopped watching.
Glad to see you guys have enjoyed the acolyte ! Its hard finding channels that have been positive on the show but im glad some of my fave reactors have given great reviews.
It got canceled because it sucks lol
Yet you're here
Uh so?@@daurydavis3983
@@daurydavis3983probably just to explain why the show got cancelled, then dip out.
The Jedi always knew of the Sith, in this time period they had been dormant for a millennium until Emperor Palpatine arrived, or so we thought.
its annoying that yoda knew about the stranger and didn't back up Qui Gon about seeing maul on tatooine.
Show got cancelled for the INSANE amount of budget and the decline in viewers per week, im sure other factors came into play such as, the bad reception Amandla's Distrack brought, the racists, fans calling other fans racists for having problems with the Canon breaking aspects, Fans upset with the lack of care for star wars shows nowadays (Boba and Kenobi), the inclusion of the spitting image of darth plaguies from the Legends novel as merely nostalgia bait etc. But honestly its best if this show stays cancelled, a controversy like this hasn't been seen since the Last Jedi, and has caused yet another high level of toxicity from BOTH sides of the fandom to rise, which i don't think Disney want again,
I'd be happy with a season 2 if it got new writers, who weren't straight up lazy with their writing. But honestly its best if we completely move on from this show. it sucks though, other than Andor Season 2 and maybe the mando movie, STAR WARS is just stale.
Edit: Guys can you please do a read along with the Legend Books, although they aren't canon they are still so good to read, and a lot of the stuff, does get stolen from the books and put in canon, like plaguies, thrawn, darth bane and hopefully Mara Jade (I beg).
"fans calling other fans racists for having problems with the Canon breaking aspects"
1. A complete strawman, as that didn't happend.
2. There were no canon breaking aspects. Just people either with low lore knowledge, bad interpretation skills or influenced by youtubers who know jackshit.
It got canceled bc a bunch of whiney white dude bros threw a fit bc something wasnt catered to them bc if they cant have it no one can
Imagine if Disney pulled a bait and switch on everyone... saying they cancelled The Acolyte, only to release a new series with a new title, but still use most of the same characters and actors from this show. I wouldn't be opposed to actually getting a continuation to this, with maybe a fresh set of showrunners and screenwriters. There's a lot of good individual bits and pieces from the show, despite its tumultuous reception.
High budget, low viewership, and terrible reviews. That's why it was canceled.
Its absolutely wild to sit here and watch them complain about the writing and then be bewildered that the show got cancelled
So constantly saying how good they are setting up the 2nd season is complaining about writing now 🤔
A lot of shows have a mid first season, then go on to become fantastic. See Star Trek: TNG & Breaking Bad.
They can’t go against the agenda duh that’s literally the only reason I can think of why 1+1 wouldn’t equal 2 in their eyes
@@SGz_Eliminated Have you not been here long? They're all fucking stupid.
@@saahir18 I hate this meme. Breaking Bad's first season was amazing, what are you talking about.
For Sol's 'reasons': the way I see it is that it's very similar to the residential schools for native americans and missionaries in non-Christian countries - they are so full of pride that they truly believe that any culture other than their own is evil and corrupting children and so the children need to be removed from their family and be made to conform to a Christian life - here, the Jedi life. There are a lot of parallels between the Jedi (overall, not just this show) and missionaries/crusaders/etc who use their religious beliefs to enact violence and control in the world (galaxy) removing children from their indigenous cultures and indoctrinating them into a singular religion/culture. I think Sol truly did believe he was doing what was right because Mother Anasieya was different and therefore must be evil and he and the Jedi had the 'right' (to quote Indara) to children who had the force. I think it's a powerful thing to have Sol never admit he was wrong - when your entire identity is wrapped up in being the 'right' ones, if you admit you weren't right, then your entire identity is called into question and everything crumbles, so no matter what, you just have to deny deny deny and insist that you did the right thing.
I think that is highlighted, too, with how Osha always insisted she wanted her own life, that she and Mae weren't the same person, and The Stranger saw it too, but Sol absolutely refused to listen to Osha (or Mae) and continued to insist that they were the same person. He ignored any knowledge that didn't come from him and the Jedi and used that as 'justification' for his actions. Honestly, if the person who lied to me my entire life in order to get me to hate my own family just so he could have sole (lol Sol) custody of me and only love him, and then when it comes out he was the one who broke into my house and murdered my mother, my sister was trying to get HELP for the fire, then justified it by trying to say 'I murdered your family and made you think your sister was to blame, then instead of putting you in normal foster care where you could have some emotional healing, I insisted you instead train in my religious organization that will tell you you're evil for your emotions, all because I love you', I'd have killed his ass too.
"Bad bitches all I see!" 😂
Come on guys, don't be..... THAT. There are plot points you can't even follow and you say the story is good? It was entertaining to watch because it was sooo bad, but seeing you guys trying to validate it, it's sad. Ignoring scenes that never went anywhere (Bazil), trying to explain away other continuity problems, it's like your auditioning to be the next great Disney Shill. Just be honest and I will respect you so much for it.
Damn bro someone has a different opinion from you, they must be lying their asses off!
@@ZackSparks Obvious storytelling flaws and plot holes are not opinions, kid
Stay in school
@@BaithNa storytelling flaws are typically opinion based, and please do tell me some plotholes
Shut. Up.
Spoken like a true MAGA cult member
They did a good base story about a sith aprentice finding an acolyte to kill his master (plagueis) and continue the rule of two, wich we know that never hapened cause plagueis trained sidious. But it was a good plot for season 2. However it was cancelled because of all the injustificated hate, hope the series returns at some time
Damn yall are really living up to your name with your taste in media 😅😅
Opinions and likes are subjective, hating on them is just immature
@@NicholasSteMarie that's an oxymoron. because I can subjectively hate an opinion and think that it's trash
Yet you're here
@@daurydavis3983just to post that comment, then leave
The Normies should react to Star Wars the Old Republic Trailer compilation. ESPECIALLY the "Sacrifice" trailer.
Why don't you react to a quality show like Shogun?
Because it's their channel and not yours
It's his opinion bot yours so stfu
@@daurydavis3983 Recommending a very highly lauded show for them to enjoy and gain viewers upsets you? Cope and seethe.
I think because they are one person, only one can be bad at a time. If you think about it, Osha started to get darker as Maye became calmer
“Why did this show get cancelled?”””” 2/10 rage bait normies 😤
It was a good show for those who enjoyed it, if you don't like it then don't watch.
Simple as that, no idea why people who didn't like it went on a crusade to get it cancelled. Like go outside for once fr.
@dragerdet the reason it got canceled was because people didn't watch it. There was no "crusade" to get it canceled. People were just sharing their complaints about the show. This belief that you're in the wrong for hating a show is ridiculous. The same goes for people hating those who genuinely did like it. It's been impossible to find any reasonable discourse about the show involving disagreement without the whole conversation becoming uncivilized.
@@nexttoyou678 How is tweeting they should cancel this show day after day not a crusade? Going out of their way just to say it should be cancelled
@@dragerdetbecause it’s twitter, companies aren’t going to listen to what twitter has to say, especially big companies like Disney. It was cancelled due to the very low viewership:budget ratio. You could make an argument that people didn’t watch because people said it was bad, but then I just blame people for not wanting to form their own opinion.
@@dragerdet companies don't listen to being asking for shows to get cancelled lmao. Viewership and ratings are the only thing they care about. Like ya'll think after Goblin Slayer aired, every pissed off white-girl in American screaming about it on Tumblr and Twitter got the attention of people in Japan???? No lol.
Hell, Mulan 2020 was scene as a "Objective Success" by the higher ups. They really don't pay attention to what people say online LMAO
"why did it get cancelled"
95% of the internet has enough reviews for you to know. Being terrible.
Yeah maybe 95% of YOUR algorith of the internet lol
Sheep
Oh you're gonna get some theys angry
@@Mads97415 You're the one living in a bubble kid because this show got horrible ratings and reviews from everyone.
Stay in school.
95% of the reviews were review bombers, racists, misogynists, and homophobes
From what some articles are saying the show mainly got cancelled because the viewership was low and the cost for it was high. From Disney's perspective they probably think it's not worth the money if the first season failed to bring in a massive amount of viewership.
They were created using unnatural force manipulation experiments, to be used as dark side weapons of the Sith. From that point of view, Sol thought their mother was a threat to the Jedi and the entire republic.
that’s not true lol, that’s just what Sol thought.
@@TheeWandaStan i said it was from “a certain point of view” didn’t I. lol.
Why did this show get cancelled? Because the characters are awful and morally bankrupt, the writing is contrived and wastes valuable time, its protagonist and her foil (Mae) have no relationship and fail to guide the show. So many problems are solved if the characters think even a little, but the writers keep making them dumber to facilitate their awful story. I'm glad you enjoyed it, at least someone did. But this is some of the worst Star Wars TV has offered us. It's good that it won't be perpetuated.
Really everything always has moments where problems could have been solved if the characters think.
It had terrible writing, terrible acting, and cost WAY too much to justify the small amount of people who watched it.
Bro what 💀 where is this terrible writing and acting you speak of??
@@porteroglesby3001 Osha/Mae and Vernestra were SUPER wooden.
@@porteroglesby3001 It's just called modern toxic fandom. Every movie, tv nowadays all of a sudden has "bad writing" it seems.
@@cflash2785 I’m aware, I’m just curious if any of the people claiming this can actually articulate what was bad about the writing… I’ve yet to see anyone do so, just personal gripes that they didn’t like something that happened and not because it was actually poorly written
Nope
Don’t forget that force powers are very visually attuned to whatever side of the force they originated from, turning into a black mist demon? Possession apparently from what mother korill did to kelnaca what would possessing her kid do in that situation? 😮
A couple of simple answers:
-nobody watched it (by far the least streamed Star Wars Disney shows)
-except for the the fights, the look was awful… only Book of Boba Fett looked cheaper and more like cosplay then a high value production
-the acting, except for Sol, was mostly mediocre (and I mean acting, not the choreographies!)
-the writing was all over the place and often made little sense or was even stupid! The pacing and structure was a catastrophy, runtime with two episodes dedicated to a flashback which was basically the very same event from 2 perspectives was ill used/too short and the end to abruptly
-it was ridiculous expensive! On the same level as a Star Wars movie, but you cannot see it in a single episode on screen! It cost far more then Ahsoka, Mandalorisn, Kenobi and Andor who all have better writing, better looking costumes, better looking effects, better looking everything except for fighting scenes
I wanted this show to succeed since they first introduced it some years ago when presented all the shows in production because the era is interesting and following some dark siders during the Jedi‘s peak in history could have been extremely interesting.
But the secondary characters weren’t developed really good and for most I didn‘t really care… Sol‘s Padawan was the most interesting and the only impact I felt when she died in episode 5, the rest were a couple of redshirts and tools
Typical racist misogynistic answer
i can't believe they pulled off the obliviate spell on Star Wars.
Remember their ship has 2 seats 😂
Thank God there's no season 2
Boooo 🍅🍅🍅🍅
12:05 this is so ridiculous 😂
Sol did the right thing because the mother was about to disintegrate Mae
are you blind?
...that was a transportation ability...one they used ON-SCREEN in the show. She was trying to send her away. Sol didn't KNOW that and thought she was trying to hurt her.
That was one of the most obvious depictions of events in the entire show.
@@BryanTheDM the kids don't have that ability
and did you see her face right before?
you're saying that based on what?
Mae said they were gonna be sacrificed
@@davidnobre5660 Based on the fact that the witches all disintegrate to teleport away and the "sacrifice" was Mae misremembering Aniseya's words when Mae was ascended. There's no reason for us, the viewers, to think that Mae was in danger.
Aniseya's still an idiot for not clearly explaining that she was going to let Osha go before things went sideways, there's plenty to criticise in that episode, but pick your battles.
@@Talisguy Why not just grab Mae and leave?
why do you say Mae misremenbered
the girls were gonna be sacrificed, that's why they were created, the coven wanted their power
Sol sensed this
12:49
He did it for democracy 😂😂😂😂
Y’all sound like paid actors watching this show 😂😂😂 “woahhhh” and “that’s so awesomeee😮” haha
It's called "different opinions".
@@hopeforhobixo5142 lol wen was i talking about their opinions?? I just said they sound like paid actors LMAO
13:09 Spidey you saw it in Jedi Survivor when Dagan Gera bled his lightsaber Kyber crystal
the guy you saw in the cave before Qimir and Ossa left the planet was Darth Plageuis the master of Darth Sidious the one that sidious told anaken that he can bring people back after death and to keep people from dying inorder to convince anakin to join him
I get being such a fan that you can't accept anything but perfection, but to go so hard for that belief that you get a show cancelled, that seems too far. That was one of the coolest sith enemies I've ever encountered in the series, and I hate having to see him go. I wish the fanbase had allowed the show to cook; learn from its failures and improve on a season 2.
It wasn't the backlash that the director and star caused, it was the over expensive budget paired with the lowest viewership of any Star Wars show, maybe even of a Disney+ show.
Sadly this show was getting review bombed ever since it was first announced. Even on the very first trailer people were hating on it.
I dont think the fan base has power like that. All they can do is not watch and give negative reviews. The people who gave tons of negative reviews before the show came out are very childish and silly. I think it was mainly a response to whatever information mightve been revealed by Lesley during interviews, which if u dont like or fully agree with what she's saying I think that's fine, but the negative reviewing without watching is pure cringe.
There was no fanbase lmao
@@daurydavis3983 because people knew from the creators comments that this is what it lead up to. But since your a Disney shill u don't care
Market's confusion and questions throughout ep 1 - 8 are so incredibly valid.
What her and Chris had a problem with is what I feel most people who had valid opinions about what was wrong with this show is why the show got canceled.
Yes, the visuals are awesome and the fights were well choreographed but that is not a story, at best they are really pretty pictures.
37:25 Leave Baby Grogu out of this! He’s a Bebe!!
180 million for 2 lightsaber fights 2 cameos 2 flashbacks 😒forget the money and look at the story telling some parts are great but as a whole it’s a mess we were going to go into season two really asking how were the twins made why plagueis and vinestra threw him away lmao two questions and quimeer killed jacki kalnaka yord and the other Jedi with them besides sol all in front of osha she is the fakest person ever jacki could never had been a friend let alone yord who she already knew
the guy in the cave is the sith lord Darth Plagueis AKA the master of Emperor Palpatine
The sith ship only holds 2 people. They couldn't all leave together
They had to leave someone behind because the strangers ship is a dinky little two-seater
For me, Sol has to be the most tragic depiction of a Jedi on screen. His portrayal, inherent empathy and inevitable downfall deeply affected me. Flawed but fascinating 👏
You say the most tragic like Anakin and obi one don't exit
@dragoblade995 I felt absolutely nothing for either of them. Obi-Wan is thinly characterised and solo carried by the skill and charisma of his actor and Anakin is a whiny murderous pissant long before he falls. We're expected to feel sympathy for a character who's already committed mass infanticide before he falls to the Dark Side? Nah. Never landed for me.
For all the problems I had with The Acolyte's writing, I still wound up giving a shit about Sol. More than I can say for anyone in the prequels.
@@Talisguy I respect your opinion even if I don't agree with it but I wouldn't say that to other fan's cause you sound like you never watched the prequels and it would make you sound like a fake fan
@@dragoblade995 So you respect my opinion, but you don't think I watched the films or that I sound like a "real fan" because that opinion is different from yours.
...Right.
@@Talisguy the majority of fans share the same opinion if you go around insulting their favorite character for some unknown new character that people just got to know what do you think people will call you not a true fan that's for sure
The show was canceled because there were literally 3 relevant episodes in the entire season. You can't fail to create a compelling story, and then expect the viewer to care about ambiguous plot twists. The show was bad. No red pill issues. I'm desperate for inclusive story telling, but the vast majority of new SW content is just vapid and smooth brained.
literally this ^ its not rocket science why this show got canceled, smooth brained writing can only maintain audience viewership for so long before the audience decides they want something more compelling and thought provoking
False
@@daurydavis3983 cope harder u shill
Many other issues even if no red pill ones
Fairly certain the person int he cave was Plaqueus. As for Sol... I don't think his killing the Mom was a clearly bad as you all make it out to be. From Sol's perspective he saw the Mom start to turn into smoke and then saw Mei, who he believed was Osha in the moment, start to dissipate into smoke. He had no idea at that moment that she intended to let Osha go with him, technically he still didn't know at the end. The point, given his indoctrination into the Jedi way of thinking about the Force, he saw the coven as being on the bad side of the Force and using the children for nefarious ends. So he reacted to what he saw as an attack from the Mom in that moment. Lying about it was probably wrong, it's easy to just say it is, but it's very similar to what we actually do to children who only have one parent or have lost both on a regular basis in our actual reality. Adoptive parents don't tell their kid they're adopted. Single Moms obfuscate about missing fathers. Grandparents lie about parents who are absent because of drugs, deaths, or prison.
None of that is to say Sol, or the others in that group, were right overall, but I think the show was trying to display that there aren't always clear cut black and white takes on everything. Hence, the Jedi aren't always the good guys. And, as a final note, I think Chris is entirely fucking wrong about the story, there was so much depth in what was being developed.
Seriously. It’s like a giant smoke monster disintegrating little girls is a common occurrence to the Normies.
Roughly 100-180 years before the prequel. Not 1000.
4:19 "Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Plagueis, the Wise?" Plagueis was Palpatine's master
7:21 Spidey, Sith don't have padawans. Disciples, apprentices, or... acolytes.
13:08 Jedi Survivor... the rogue High Republic Jedi
28:34 There weren't any Jedi in Rouge One
33:30 Andor, had one... kinda. With Bix Caleen and her wasteman BF
Cad Bane lives... maybe?
People have issue with the show because it contradicts a lot of established lore, e.g. the Plauegis book and some things set up in the Prequels... like Anakin being a virgance (sp?) in the force.
It got canceled because it had the lowest ratings for any D+ SW show
Star Wars Theory and/or Stupendous Wave can get you caught up on lore/history. They are the two biggest SW channels on YT
🤔"Always two there are, a Master and an Apprentice...."
😎"...and an Acolyte"
😏"...and an Alternate"
🧐"...and an Assistant"
🤪"...and a Second Apprentice"
😁"...and a Secret Apprentice"
💀"... I don't think they know about the Secret Apprentice."
🤔 All of this just to force one of the twins to self-discover [Force Choke] and [Khyber Bleeding].... mmmkay.
With [Psychometry] still reading echoes of Events over sixteen years old, Plus all the eyewitness accounts of the initial Jedi murders, (And the mind wiped suspect in custody) Vernestra's Coverup seems to be on extremely weak legs.
Mae is a known liability to the Ro2, and must either die or be mind wiped..... so sayeth Darth Smeagol the Wise (we see you Plaegius, gooning in the cave)
(Just like Shmi Skywalker's Senate internship alongside Sheev Palpatine and their debauched dalliance was)
I still say the helmet's ability to provide [Force Masking] is NOT because it is made of Cortosis, but rather the Sith Alchemy rituals that were used to make it a component of Dark Armor. What it was made for, not what it was made from.
To be honest, it probably was cancelled because the people who produced it were kinda annoying (e.g. people who didn't see this series are considered racist according to them, and some other stuff), and the masses didn't like that, obviously. That's partly why the low views 😂 The janky writing/plotline etc are just the icing on the cake.
This show got cancelled for its terrible writing
Where was the terrible writing??
More like due to constant review bombings and hateful comments from racists and misogynists
@@porteroglesby3001the mistake was made on the night of your conception, your dad should have busted on your moms back.
damn spoiler i just now realized after re watch oosha lied to qimir about what she saw, just like how sol lied to her. oosha saw herself killing sol.
It Had Lower Viewership than Andor
And The Lead Actress person attacked The Fans Publicly and The Media Supported That
Didn’t Ahsoka have even lower ratings than Andor?
@@Piensamalyacertaras i think ahsoka and andor was Tied in viewership
"Attacked" lmao you're a fucking snowflake
@@Piensamalyacertaras well, Acolyte has the lowest. So it’s moot.
The lead actress called out the people who were being racists, she didn't called out the fandom.
even though i didn't care for the show that much, the fight scenes were great
Nah none of you understand. You’re seeing things through the lens of OUR society. The Jedi needs to be involved in every force sensitive person because they have the potential to fall under the darkside. Besides that coven perverted the force by creating a being (twins)
you sound like a social worker
My take on 'is The Stranger evil': Honestly, I don't think so. Is he an uwu bb just misunderstood cinnamon roll? No. I really agree with Chris' assessment. The only things we know he did was 1) train Mae and help her kill the jedi who murdered her family and 2) kill soldiers of an oppressive religion who were about to discover his existence and then hunt him down and kill him or imprison him for life. For number 1, in other stories, Mae and The Stranger would have been the heroes, or at least, anti-heroes out on a revenge quest so I don't consider that evil. If the Jedi had been held accountable for their actions by the Council, then fine, but as they got off scott free (at least, institutionally - Torbin she gave the option to turn himself in and admit what he did, he chose to kill himself rather than face justice), revenge it is. For the second thing, it's in a grey area, for sure, but I personally don't condemn violent resistance to oppression - and no, they don't have to literally have a knife at your throat before you're allowed to fight back. We'll never know the entire scope of The Stranger's ideology because the show was cancelled, but I'd be interested to see what more he believes before making the judgement of if his prior actions made him deserve to be stopped. Yes, he killed Jecki, but she was a child soldier trained and brought into the field by the Jedi. He only killed enemy combatants - he didn't go off killing any civilians in any of the places he was in (that we saw). If the Jedi didn't want children to die in battle, they probably should stop training them to be in battle and then taking them out into the field.
Why did it get cancelled?
It's one of the worst writting things i've ever seen and just bad overal... so basically everything star wars since disney bought it 😅
If this is something of the worst writing you've ever seen, you've never watched a _really_ bad show.
Nope
Stop lying to yourself.
"Why did this show get cancelled??" I'll make it easy for everyone: mediocre viewership + hyper expensive show = cancelled every time. I hope you enjoyed my TED talk.
Andor had lower ratings and cost more but it got a 2nd season.
The big change now is that reportedly Disney is scaling back to only have one Star Wars live action show a year. 2025 has Andor Season 2. 2026 has Ahsoka Season 2. So the earliest it could have aired was 2027, which is too long of a wait for the viewership it has.
LucasFilm is now focusing on more Star Wars movies. A few years ago they were working on Obi-wan and Boba Fett movies and then those were adapted to become Disney+ shows. Now they are going the other way with the Mandalorian becoming a movie as is Donald Glover's Lando.
@@MatthewFabb did you adjust per minute? Andor has 4 more episodes and Acolyte was ridiculously short in terms of run time per episode.
That's the big issue, $250m for what we got is ridiculous. 250 minutes of TV content. And not gorgeous in production value like Andor, just mid (sets, costumes, makeup, locations, cgi, etc).
Also, Andor got heaps and heaps of praise, including critical praise (not bloggers championing "diversity", but real critics) and that always helps shows survive being cancelled for being pricey with mid viewership numbers. Andor is going into S2 with a ton of hype and praise, aka positivity, while Acolyte would be debuting S2 to a ton of negativity (lots of it fair criticism) and renewing a show that's expensive and the vibes meter is pointing down... Companies don't do that.
@@nathanp2007 there was more content for Andor, but it doesn't matter if people aren't watching the show. I like Andor but it also got a lot of critism that it was dry, slow and boring, with some people thinking it's the worst live action Star Wars show.
Andor got a 2nd season only because it came out when Disney was spending a lot of money for more Disney+ content. If Andor season 1 came out in 2024, it would have never gotten a season 2. Just like Acolyte would have very likely gotten a season 2 if it came out a few years ago.
Right now Disney has been cutting down on the amount of original content to make Disney+ profitable. It's really hard to make Star Wars content cheaply, so Disney is now pulling back to just one Star Wars show a year.
@@MatthewFabb a "lot of criticism" is a stretch, and "some people think it's the worst" is not worth mentioning they're such a small minority. It's criticism was largely the first few episodes which were a slow building burn, but then it popped off and people said the slow burn was worth it and after it was over the season as a whole was great.
The content minutes matter cause I mentioned and you mentioned the cost per episode and per season. Comparing season to season when one season is actually significantly longer in minutes, means it's an incomplete comparison and potentially in bad faith if they know that.
I'm not saying you're wrong about the eras of Disney spending and renewing btw. But we can't know for sure.
@@nathanp2007 the criticism against Andor went far beyond the first couple of episodes. Once again, I personally really liked Andor but it just didn't work for a chunk of the audience. Online and in person, I've seen Star Wars fans list Andor as the worst Star Wars live action series.
There are places that track minutes viewed of a season show that Acolyte was watched for more minutes than Andor despite there being more content to watch for Andor. A longer season should be an advantage when looking at total minutes watched, but it didn't help Andor. Once again, the amount of minutes per season doesn't matter if an audience doesn't show up and watch all those longer seasons.
Fun fact: Han Solo said the line, "Then I'll see you in HELL!" in Episode V, Empire Strikes Back..... in NINETEEN-F'ING-EIGHTY!!!
I'm actually going to be NICE here, and not answer "why did they cancel this show?"..... But I'm pretty sure you can figure it out. Personally, I *LOVED* this show!
Edit: Yes, the Sith in the cave was indeed Plagues (however you spell it). Likely when he was an apprentice himself. Just as Sidious had Maul as an apprentice while he was an apprentice, so Plagues had Qimir as one himself, OR, Qimir was just a "non-affiliated" Dark Side user (like the witches).
Also, the fact that Vernestra was willing to throw Sol under the bus (not without some merit, obviously) to Yoda and the Republic..... also shows the beginning of the hubris that infected the Jedi Order and caused their downfall.
But I actually DID like how the twins were created, which laid the foundation for how Anakin was created, although it COULD have been explained a little better. The series DID have some flaws, but overall I really enjoyed it... and I'll stand by that.
It was said that they were going to explore more in a second season more about creating the twins, Qimir and Plagiues. But now....😐
@@IggyStardust1967 I appreciate your answer. It’s nice to see someone defending the things they liked instead of hurling insults. I wasn’t really into the show. Not my least favourite Star Wars show, but not something I liked all that much. I find it disheartening that instead of engaging in a dialogue about it, so many people are simply telling me that I’m ‘toxic’ and ‘not a real Star Wars fan despite the fact that I’ve loved this franchise since before I could formulate memory. Anyways, I’m glad you took some enjoyment from it.
@@jodynelson2055 Thank you for your reply. I am always respectful when I comment, because I see the level of toxicity out there, and do not want to contribute to it. The show DID have some flaw, I'm willing to admit that. I'm also willing to offer suggestions (constructive criticisms) to make it better next time around. But I'm always respectful.
I was 10 years old when Star Wars hit theaters in 1977, and it literally changed my life. I have been a fan ever since. It's fine if someone doesn't like a part of it they see, and I won't attack them for having an opinion. So, with that in mind, if you would like some reasonable discourse of whatever part of Star Wars you fancy, or even don't like... I am a safe person to talk about it to.
Everyone is different, with different life experiences. Myself, I have a history with witchcraft, which gave me a rather unique view of this series. It's funny, because I associate the more "toxic" people with the major religions of our own world. The way the Jedi are portrayed here, is a very different view than most are used to, and they took offense to it. However, it's like holding a mirror up at their beliefs and them not liking what they see. In fact, I'll invoke "They Live" as a reference point. Once you see the truth for what it is, and everything you think you know is called into question........ How do you respond?
I've lived through that, and thankfully, come out a better person (at least, I like to think).
Nah I think this show was horrible. I don’t know if this is true or not but I’ve heard that Disney is thinking about making a series based of the The Old Republic game and this is making me worried with how they’ve treated the franchise recently, in my opinion, if you like it that’s all good. Hell any one of the cinematic trailers to the games, again in my opinion, are better than any of the episodes of this series.
Oh please you karens would still hate on it
@@daurydavis3983 you don’t even know what I hate about it. You’re acting more like a Karen then I do.
@@daurydavis3983Do you know what a Karen is?
@@twilightdream people like y'all
@@daurydavis3983Ah yes, anyone that dislikes The Acolyte is a Karen. Once again, I suggest you look up what it actually means since you clearly lack critical thinking skills.
I think all 3 couldn't leave because the ship they had was just a 2 seater 😂 #starcitizen
Yeah the story was kinda meh but it was the fight scenes that i loved, some of the best of any star wars movies/ tv shows.
Mae couldn’t go with Osha because The Stranger had no interest in training Mae. He wouldn’t allow that