Khepri's Sting Can One Shot Now.. | Destiny 2 The Final Shape

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024

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  • @AztecrossGaming
    @AztecrossGaming  2 месяца назад +14

    Thanks to GEOLOGIE for sponsoring today's vid - use geolog.ie/AZTECROSS70 for that 70% discount!

    • @ANaqi-is4ty
      @ANaqi-is4ty 2 месяца назад

      For anyone that is interested in trying their trial period products, make sure to read their trial period policy.

  • @keeganlundt2351
    @keeganlundt2351 2 месяца назад +131

    You can also possibly use Traveller's Chosen so you can get your grapple grenade and smoke bombs back faster. The Catalyst for Traveller's Chosen gives it Osmosis which activates with the Grapple grenade and *should* work on the tangle.

    • @AlegendArises
      @AlegendArises 2 месяца назад +5

      Not a bad idea but it’s not strand so you don’t get the super tangle

    • @afri2n
      @afri2n 2 месяца назад +9

      @@AlegendArisesosmosis doesnt work with grapples?

    • @keeganlundt2351
      @keeganlundt2351 2 месяца назад +5

      @@AlegendArises I haven't tested the Osmosis damage effect on grapples and grapple explosions. It would surprise me if it didn't work since the whole point of Osmosis is to give the weapon an element 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @thisone98
      @thisone98 2 месяца назад +14

      ​@@AlegendArises you didnt read the last part of the comment.

    • @spectralparadisegaming7506
      @spectralparadisegaming7506 2 месяца назад

      ​@@AlegendArisesyou should go unlock the catalyst on your account so you can get osmosis.

  • @richardbertrand9939
    @richardbertrand9939 2 месяца назад +13

    It's like Bungie made Prismatic Hunyer the most annoying it could possibly be for PVP. Threader Spectre, smoke bombs strand grapple and the Arc super.

  • @ttvunashamedalchemist7002
    @ttvunashamedalchemist7002 2 месяца назад +15

    Watching cross get upset over blueberries stealing his tangles never gets old 😭😂 I had a buddy who I taught how to play d2 many years ago, and he just literally knew next to nothing about the game. This was back during warmind cells being meta, and he would always steal my “oranges”. Every single time I would yell at him and threaten him with things I can’t say in a RUclips comment (all in good friendly fun of course🖤🥰) and one day, HE started using a warmind build, and then for like a WEEK I stole every single Orange he made until he got it 😭 “plz bro I get it, I see now, I’m sorry!” Moral of the story? Never take your friends balls without asking first

    • @DJET723
      @DJET723 2 месяца назад +1

      NAHT DA BALLZ PLS I BEG

  • @altyar_
    @altyar_ 2 месяца назад +51

    Bro this is literally the same way we used to play khpheri sting back in D1 where we 1 shot them with poison

    • @kisukeurahara189
      @kisukeurahara189 2 месяца назад +8

      Yup with the back attack. Don’t know why they changed it

    • @altyar_
      @altyar_ 2 месяца назад +10

      @@kisukeurahara189 glad to see some veterans are still around

    • @butwhole69420
      @butwhole69420 2 месяца назад +2

      @@altyar_ Expect now khepri can give you walls all the time lol even if you throw your smoke at teammates 😂 and if you throw it on the floor the re charge time increases like 400 percent so i don’t even build into strength

    • @TH1NG1
      @TH1NG1 2 месяца назад

      OG's still around 😅

    • @jonahbrown5669
      @jonahbrown5669 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@kisukeurahara189 They changed the backstab damage because it was glitchy. Sometimes you'd get the damage even when they're facing you

  • @InfernoPhilM
    @InfernoPhilM 2 месяца назад +25

    Warmind Cells in PVP

  • @NXT1982
    @NXT1982 2 месяца назад +44

    Editors do not Include that

  • @jpp4566
    @jpp4566 2 месяца назад +2

    Give your editor a raise that song choice during the 6v6 gameplay was perfect and edited great

  • @windwalker3081
    @windwalker3081 2 месяца назад +247

    Titan: Look at what they need to do to replicate a fraction of my power.

    • @sreeru
      @sreeru 2 месяца назад +12

      Womp womp

    • @RuinXiii
      @RuinXiii 2 месяца назад +92

      Any Hunter punch build has been leagues superior to any Titan punch build for years.

    • @Sam-by7uj
      @Sam-by7uj 2 месяца назад +9

      throwing knives

    • @jasonhernandez730
      @jasonhernandez730 2 месяца назад +45

      Every time Hunters a get buffed in D2 the Titans get nerf while the Warlock just coexist

    • @terrantony2635
      @terrantony2635 2 месяца назад

      i ended up commenting the same thing lol my bad

  • @jonathanmekari9310
    @jonathanmekari9310 2 месяца назад +38

    Aztecross, you should give me a Star forge PC so I can test it (I currently have a last gen console and am preventing you from getting more vault space)

  • @Argyle117
    @Argyle117 2 месяца назад +13

    7:12 a single brain cell going between both of them

  • @brightenblack207
    @brightenblack207 2 месяца назад +1

    Always great music choices. This music gets me so psyched. I always play videos at 2x speed and it's extra hype.

  • @thealldayspecial
    @thealldayspecial 2 месяца назад +7

    The biggest reality people missed with the "why?" of smoke bombs in TFS is that they basically made them last longer and they turned them into the always powerful Corrosive Bomb of Mid Tree Spec Blades. The wombo only got infinitely more stronger because the smoke is so strong now

    • @butwhole69420
      @butwhole69420 2 месяца назад

      @@thealldayspecial You can also get your smoke back from a dodge lol so there’s that as well added to my kit , i’m glad everyone will whine and cry over grapple one shot and swarm nades so we get to keep these OP ass smokes that give you walls if you run khepri

    • @endborg
      @endborg 2 месяца назад +2

      "Always powerful corrosive bomb of mid tree spec blades" Stopped reading there, mid tree nightstalker was by far the least used varient

  • @ericbaek3706
    @ericbaek3706 2 месяца назад +4

    bungie brought back khephri's sting for the plan of prismatic.

  • @Pandemoniyum
    @Pandemoniyum 2 месяца назад +7

    Yooo my builds circulatin, couple tips cross, and of course to anyone else trying it out. Landing the actual grapple tag itself on the player makes it MILES more consistent for one bit kills. I also dunno if you’re on facet of purpose, for extra light ability damage on darkness debuffed enemies, helps a ton. Word for the wise as well, hitting players against a wall seems to make it inconsistent. Should also run the health back and shield regen on orb pickup mods, that way you’re not caught tryna regen after you get the initial melee kill. Helps to also have the woven mail on orb pickup as well. Happy buildcrafting guardians!
    Also idk if cross was on a swash better devils, ngl couldn’t tell but, that’s necessary

  • @Kievaer
    @Kievaer 2 месяца назад +3

    The song at 11:11 is Never or Right Now by ELFL. Sh*t slaps

  • @zombieclayton4427
    @zombieclayton4427 2 месяца назад +4

    Sometimes it depends on the situation to try the one shot grapple melee but it helps a lot

  • @jerdarriusmason2424
    @jerdarriusmason2424 2 месяца назад

    It's a decent build but I'd use bink with it instead, that way you and blink passed or behind your opponent then spin around mid air with the grapple melee for the easy one shot, the blink to grapple melee tactic, helps eliminate you getting shot out of your grapple alot

  • @butwhole69420
    @butwhole69420 2 месяца назад +5

    I’m glad everyone is talking about this build and not the other khepri build that gives you infinite walls 🤓 and 400 percent boost to your smoke if it’s on the floor and gives you walls if you throw it at teammates

    • @butwhole69420
      @butwhole69420 2 месяца назад

      @@Sobergamer61 ruclips.net/video/NxTOFnjKXa4/видео.htmlsi=Wr0GMzCV3Z1V-23Z

    • @butwhole69420
      @butwhole69420 2 месяца назад +1

      Also if you wanna grapple melle nerds and make them mad run it with blink you’ll find a lot more success especially on controller

    • @ghettochicken8420
      @ghettochicken8420 2 месяца назад +1

      @@butwhole69420is there a video on infinite walls?

    • @butwhole69420
      @butwhole69420 2 месяца назад

      @@ghettochicken8420 Watch larry tuckers video

  • @-artemis-
    @-artemis- 2 месяца назад +1

    Wait I was just listening to this music today. This is Lupus Nocte's work I think!
    And then Nouveau Arcade g'damn.

  • @bradenroof6270
    @bradenroof6270 2 месяца назад

    The thing has been relatively inconsistent when I use it, but it does get those kills sometimes

  • @HicksLV246
    @HicksLV246 2 месяца назад +1

    Damn, was trying to keep this secret. One of my favorite builds right now in both pve and pvp

  • @Ïurossa
    @Ïurossa 2 месяца назад

    What if you use the arc dodge for bonus DMG if needed? You grapple melee then dodge and while your in air you shoot the tangle for the best combo

  • @AgentTexes
    @AgentTexes 2 месяца назад +1

    Haven't played since 2020, would Last Word be a good gun for this?
    Because if it's like how it was then it would be a good gun for the build.

  • @godsmack1701
    @godsmack1701 2 месяца назад

    Try to use the dusk field with the exotic including the fragment where if you do a debuff any light source will increase damage

  • @That1greykight0666
    @That1greykight0666 2 месяца назад

    You could take this a step further and use a better devils with slice to spawn more tangles

  • @Woahbroo-
    @Woahbroo- 2 месяца назад +4

    Hey @AztecrossGaming it was I who submitted this build. I felt like the build was complete but making those changes I will try them out!

  • @SDFRiver
    @SDFRiver 2 месяца назад

    The tangle wouldn't work in Trials, since they turn off the Artifact. Still a fun build that'll break up the monotony.

  • @bornofstardust5910
    @bornofstardust5910 2 месяца назад +1

    Byf got that OG Geologie sponsor on that 10 hour video

  • @JasonClifford-g5r
    @JasonClifford-g5r 2 месяца назад

    You could use kept confidence with collective action instead of better devils with this build to get the boost from the tangles

  • @swinganamiss1194
    @swinganamiss1194 2 месяца назад +4

    I wish KS was d1 KS where it gave you bonus melee damage from the back

    • @aurockson2696
      @aurockson2696 2 месяца назад

      @@swinganamiss1194 or the base arc kit that had backstab for double melee damage for being anywhere that wasn’t directly in front of a player.
      Khepri gave 4x but only if Invis and behind

  • @WickedButter
    @WickedButter 2 месяца назад

    Everytime I see Khepri I wish we Blinkstrike back. That was my favorite melee in D1

  • @ppalm
    @ppalm 2 месяца назад +1

    remember when titan was the melee class? pepperidge farm remembers.

  • @terrantony2635
    @terrantony2635 2 месяца назад +19

    Peregrine Prismatic Titan: "look what they need to do to mimic a fraction of our power!"

    • @BuzzMatt
      @BuzzMatt 2 месяца назад

      Yes but instead of titan, hunter. My condolences to all titans

    • @arjunbaweja7755
      @arjunbaweja7755 2 месяца назад +2

      @@BuzzMatt Why? I know that titan is better than this so why would titans feel sad. I played both builds and this is inconsistent and ability hungry where titans just kinda only need to commit to one and get a powerful follow-up afterwards.

    • @zhaitae2470
      @zhaitae2470 2 месяца назад +5

      @@arjunbaweja7755 Face it, Hunters can do almost everything Titans can and better until Titans complain enough to the point where Hunters have to get nerfed.

    • @arjunbaweja7755
      @arjunbaweja7755 2 месяца назад

      @@zhaitae2470 In pvp, which is what we are talking about, titans can do a run down playstyle more effectively than hunters. That's just fact: watch hynra if you want to understand what I am talking about

    • @dvb8637
      @dvb8637 2 месяца назад

      Bruh you need to use a effin exotic to get that power as hunters dont even need a exotic to surpass that power. Smh. Wth you talking about?? 😂

  • @avskvm
    @avskvm 2 месяца назад +1

    Better Devils with Swashbuckler and 1 surge can 2-tap, you get the first orb from Heavy handed so it´s free

  • @NOVAtrader
    @NOVAtrader 2 месяца назад +2

    Been rocking a KS build and a Gyrlfalcons build since start and both are potent af! Love it!

  • @slayerking230
    @slayerking230 2 месяца назад

    Why not try it with travelers chosen because after using your grenade travlers will now do strand damage which should help give you your grenade and melee back but should also get the extra damage on the tangle

  • @scottricks1676
    @scottricks1676 2 месяца назад

    Much love cross ❤( dig the background tunes used for this vid, giving me mega man vibes)

  • @br4ndo10
    @br4ndo10 2 месяца назад

    The video sequencing and timing goes crazy here.

  • @noahcrowell526
    @noahcrowell526 2 месяца назад

    Frost voice when you know hes thinking about how much hes gonna face this bs after this video went live

  • @itsbutters69
    @itsbutters69 2 месяца назад

    Would love a DIM link on your build!

  • @elifarrow1781
    @elifarrow1781 2 месяца назад +1

    I heard about this weeks ago but could never get it to work for some reason and have no idea why. Same setup with khepris, grapple and smoke.

  • @DarkPyroZero
    @DarkPyroZero 2 месяца назад

    I feel like a good Demo/Pugilist weapon combo would help keep the build rolling

  • @Alan.2003
    @Alan.2003 2 месяца назад +3

    Can't wait to see only this build in pvp now until it's nerfed. I love how some said he’s using it wrong like bro he’s a titan main. He knows how to get the most damage from punching.

    • @fotis3v480
      @fotis3v480 2 месяца назад

      Getting hit by that broken melee is already a death sentence most of the time so who cares.
      You either shotgun them or you die vs competent players.

  • @phillybuster5724
    @phillybuster5724 2 месяца назад

    wowee Cross fella this video sure is packed full of funny, you sure hit it out of the ball park with this one jajajaja.

  • @MrMulligan7
    @MrMulligan7 2 месяца назад

    Love the music.

  • @kennybulow3183
    @kennybulow3183 2 месяца назад

    LOVING the music!

    • @-artemis-
      @-artemis- 2 месяца назад +1

      The first two artists are Nouveau Arcade. And Lupus Nocte if you wish to look into the artists!

    • @kennybulow3183
      @kennybulow3183 2 месяца назад

      @@-artemis- thanks!

  • @Yearkun
    @Yearkun 2 месяца назад

    Monte with kephri is nice as well 👀

  • @tysonkrunek4132
    @tysonkrunek4132 2 месяца назад +2

    Looks like you should be using gamblers dodge to get your melee back. Can use it to make a shadow clone also so you have another way of getting strand kills

  • @JNorr44
    @JNorr44 2 месяца назад

    Outro song is Bitmaster by Lupus Nocte

  • @miirico5398
    @miirico5398 2 месяца назад +1

    What roll does Cross has on his BD?

  • @ACEFROMMW
    @ACEFROMMW 2 месяца назад

    Hold it you can pick up the strand ball and still kill what if you use quick silver with that build to make more strand balls

  • @wonkybomb1865
    @wonkybomb1865 2 месяца назад

    Damn I felt that Frost burn in my soul even😂

  • @ChildOfEnki
    @ChildOfEnki 2 месяца назад +1

    Would strand resist mods prevent the insta kill?

    • @DM.AZTECROSS8.ON.DISCORD-f8g
      @DM.AZTECROSS8.ON.DISCORD-f8g 2 месяца назад

      Reachout 🔼
      I like this comment

    • @Scarlet0999
      @Scarlet0999 2 месяца назад +1

      In pvp? No resist mods don't work in pvp

    • @ChildOfEnki
      @ChildOfEnki 2 месяца назад

      @@Scarlet0999 yeah pvp…I did not know this, thanks 👍🏻

  • @szery2137
    @szery2137 2 месяца назад

    whats the state of explosive payload? is it still worth using on hc?

  • @anthonyparker9904
    @anthonyparker9904 2 месяца назад

    Landing a counter melee on strand users after they grapple is so fun

    • @Alex-xi4bg
      @Alex-xi4bg 2 месяца назад

      I don’t shotgun too much but when I do I can’t even explain how satisfying smacking a grappler melee right before they hit you is

    • @anthonyparker9904
      @anthonyparker9904 2 месяца назад

      @@Alex-xi4bg it’s so therapeutic

  • @joshuasmith6909
    @joshuasmith6909 2 месяца назад

    The Grapple one-shot is funny but it's not why I use Khepri's Sting. The incredible +500% regen rate on the Snare, plus the bonus damage, tees up so many opportunities in Trials. More uptime, more traps, more fun! It's gotten me flawless twice already and it will be giving me many more in the future. It's incredible how even a whiffed throw is a reward for you.
    But yes having the one-shot in your pocket can come in clutch

  • @adampetro2159
    @adampetro2159 2 месяца назад

    When did better devils come back??

  • @ghostlyman4289
    @ghostlyman4289 2 месяца назад

    Cross still aint beating the allegations of him not being a titan main with this one.

  • @arsenalbeast
    @arsenalbeast 2 месяца назад

    I been using this things its absolutely broken its such a underrated armor piece and needs hype

  • @massimodelbello8170
    @massimodelbello8170 2 месяца назад

    Cross breaking out the Dare 😅

  • @hidetzuxinkazhi9057
    @hidetzuxinkazhi9057 2 месяца назад

    Been using this build for a while and now people are aware of it which will make PvP hell hahaha

  • @RicardoLopez-oe8hp
    @RicardoLopez-oe8hp 2 месяца назад

    Cross is for sure a hunter main

  • @tonysbanned
    @tonysbanned 2 месяца назад +4

    Titan main btw

  • @lukelaws3545
    @lukelaws3545 2 месяца назад

    My tag is Frosty and for a second I thought I played y’all and didn’t even realize it 😅 but I ran weavewalk warlock and prismatic hunter this weekend, not blink

  • @Jargon7098
    @Jargon7098 2 месяца назад

    Finally Khepri's is METAH!!!!

  • @KapasaGamer
    @KapasaGamer 2 месяца назад +1

    Yaaaay... I'm terrified

  • @SaiyanJoestar
    @SaiyanJoestar 2 месяца назад

    LMAO, I was just thinking about this exotic; thanks Cross.

  • @djad54
    @djad54 2 месяца назад

    would have been worth trying with round robin.. sure that one shots tangles (might be wrong tho)

  • @joegerke7652
    @joegerke7652 2 месяца назад

    Is that the better devils??? When did that come back into the loot pool?

    • @kisukeurahara189
      @kisukeurahara189 2 месяца назад

      Go to Shaxx

    • @twistedgale
      @twistedgale 2 месяца назад

      Go to shaxx

    • @joegerke7652
      @joegerke7652 2 месяца назад +1

      @@kisukeurahara189 thank you!

    • @kisukeurahara189
      @kisukeurahara189 2 месяца назад

      @@joegerke7652 yup..max level up ur crucible rank 3 times b4 focusing so u could have a higher chance of getting better rolls.

  • @scotchandsquats
    @scotchandsquats 2 месяца назад

    Regardless of who you are, take care of your skin. Aging sucks, but be like your guardian and look like you never age with a solid skincare routine!💪

  • @generalxforce2491
    @generalxforce2491 2 месяца назад

    Can you shoot the strand ball ( idk what its called in eng) when someones holding it?

  • @CrushableDread
    @CrushableDread 2 месяца назад

    I’m glad Khepris had a legit use case now. It was one of my favorites back in D1 and they butchered it with its revamp.

  • @700-i8o
    @700-i8o 2 месяца назад +1

    Been running this build since the season/dlc started..bro stole my build

    • @kisukeurahara189
      @kisukeurahara189 2 месяца назад

      Same. I was using prismatic strand grapple and poison punching.

    • @700-i8o
      @700-i8o 2 месяца назад

      @@kisukeurahara189 shits crazy man, now watch it get retooled or nerfed because of the sudden exposure from a RUclipsr.

    • @LordTepes81
      @LordTepes81 2 месяца назад

      ​@user-yf6sg9ie3g lol oh it's gonna get nerfed now because of the uptick with players using this build from videos like this and it won't take long. Having a grapple 1-hit is not good for the quality of the game.

    • @700-i8o
      @700-i8o 2 месяца назад

      @@LordTepes81 But a one hit warlock melee is ..? Come on man, stuff like this makes the game less enjoyable, build crafting is supposed to break the parameters set by single subclass use.
      Prismatic brings all of this together, in synergy with certain exotics, this actually gives Khepris purpose instead of having it sit in your vault for the past few seasons.
      Let us have our creativity. What’s the point of a powered melee if it’s not a one hit kill..?
      Titans have shoulder charge, warlocks have every fucking thing.. hunters don’t have a single one hit melee besides the throwing knife.

    • @LordTepes81
      @LordTepes81 2 месяца назад

      @@700-i8o I think all OHK abilities should be out of pvp. Rockets, snipers, and extremely close range shotguns should be the only things capable of OHKs (outside of supers). It is not good for the quality of PVP. There are no benefits to broken OHK mechanics other than the person feeling like they're good at the game when it's just laughable broken cheese.

  • @miller8886
    @miller8886 2 месяца назад

    The smoke detonates in the wall I think.

  • @downykitten6439
    @downykitten6439 2 месяца назад

    Destiny 2 pvp. Always fair and always balanced to a grain of sand.

  • @andersbylund2753
    @andersbylund2753 2 месяца назад

    You should have demo on the devils

  • @6YUGIOH6
    @6YUGIOH6 2 месяца назад

    wait till he finds out you can 2 tap with a swashbuckler better devils.... ive been using this build since prismatic dropped so much fun in 6's

  • @KingLeaps
    @KingLeaps 2 месяца назад +2

    Welp, there goes the secrecy of the build I was testing

  • @andersbylund2753
    @andersbylund2753 2 месяца назад

    I really like this build, very creative and original!

  • @adamcallaghan2135
    @adamcallaghan2135 2 месяца назад

    Use frostbite exotic heavy

  • @alphtheor.879
    @alphtheor.879 2 месяца назад

    Khepri's sting used to one shot before void 3.0 all you had to do was stick a smoke bomb to an enemy guardians' head,

  • @phrixuswanderer8181
    @phrixuswanderer8181 2 месяца назад

    Did they patch this? I haven't gotten a successful kill with this yet.

  • @CHEEZE2U
    @CHEEZE2U 2 месяца назад

    The smokebomb finishes enemies off

  • @SlimeGirlSaturnus
    @SlimeGirlSaturnus 2 месяца назад

    I was a paid actor at 9:03 :3

  • @ryanwandrum1283
    @ryanwandrum1283 2 месяца назад +1

    Bombardiers, solar on prismatic… you slow, burn and spectre them… easy kills every time

  • @atomicpsych0
    @atomicpsych0 2 месяца назад

    Not sure what I'm doing wrong but my grapple melee with this on isn't doing shit

  • @Guile_The_Exile
    @Guile_The_Exile 2 месяца назад

    Why better devils instead of Quicksilver for a more consistent way to make strand balls?...
    Then again after the nerf it got I can't blame you or anyone for not wanting to use it... RIP QSS.

  • @dreechte
    @dreechte 2 месяца назад

    Cross and Frost has to be the best combination of destiny youtubers man love to see you guys together always fun to watch

  • @florinconstantin505
    @florinconstantin505 2 месяца назад

    Watching you apply facial creme is like staring into the eyes of another dude, while taking a bite of a banana....

  • @GrzlyBore
    @GrzlyBore 2 месяца назад

    Yeah, strand warlock has been able to do this.

  • @sergiomarrero9532
    @sergiomarrero9532 2 месяца назад

    Couldn’t you use this for pve also???

  • @mistatelaphoneman
    @mistatelaphoneman 2 месяца назад

    the spider-man build😂

  • @XimplGames
    @XimplGames 2 месяца назад

    I used Geology for a month and nothing changed

  • @eXocloudx
    @eXocloudx 2 месяца назад

    Throwing khepri smoke bomb at a teamate gives you wall hacks, also synergizes (more dmg,) higher base dmg ramp up) with facet of courage fragment since grapple melee is a darkness debuff (unravel)

  • @cookman202
    @cookman202 2 месяца назад

    Finally cross I’ve been using this nonstop

  • @Angelv_86
    @Angelv_86 2 месяца назад

    Nectar of the gods is diabolical 😂

  • @xXWH1TEW01FXx
    @xXWH1TEW01FXx 2 месяца назад

    When was this submitted?

    • @keronstewart9446
      @keronstewart9446 2 месяца назад

      youtuber named meesome aka #TDT put out a video on this weeks ago!

    • @xXWH1TEW01FXx
      @xXWH1TEW01FXx 2 месяца назад

      @@keronstewart9446 so did I lol 😂

  • @cobra_crew
    @cobra_crew 2 месяца назад

    Editor save me

  • @hypyo
    @hypyo 2 месяца назад

    Put that artifact tangle in pve you will loooovveee ittt for extra fun