Al Snow on Dave Meltzer Making Up Pro Wrestling Terms
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Rope Work? Al Snow talks with Vince Russo and Jeff Lane about Dave Meltzer and some of today's pro wrestlers making up terms for the business after Meltzer said Rey Fénix had great 'rope work' in his match against The Elite on AEW Dynamite. Clip from Lions, Tigers, Bears & Head (Dec. 9, 2022) on Vince Russo's The Brand at ChannelAttitude...
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A modern pace basically means you cut out all of the time that is wasted doing dumb things like locking up, wrestling holds, and selling moves, so you have more time to do exciting things like diving over the ropes, doing flips that almost make contact, and building constructs out of random furniture…
Cause professional wrestling shouldn’t look like two guys struggling for control… it should just be guys running around like they’re on meth, wrecklessly throwing their bodies around until they’re paralyzed!
Selling is WAY more important for the storytelling in a match than the moves. People bash Hulk but him selling, practically begging for mercy before hulking up doing a few moves and his bad finisher has emotional impact, something you don't get in current era matches.
@@jbbrolic those hulkamanicial eyebrows didn’t hurt also
This guy f**king GETS it 👏 if I had an e-fed that I'd been running since the 90s, I'd hire you in a murmured heartbeat!
Except that's exactly what's wrong with most forms of entertainment today. Everything is explosions and mindless action with no dialog There's no emotional relation to the characters, and if no-one cares about the characters the outcome is meaningless
@@jbbrolic bash hulk? What’re you talking about?
Meltzer sees himself as the elder statesman of wrestling fans. All the marks quoting him over the years has gone to his head making him believe he's some kind of scientist practicing a mysterious science or alchemy.
The Fauci of wrestling
@@maxwelljacobfreedom Couldn't have made a better analogy
Have you seen his office lmao
As someone who's been watching wrestling since the early 80s and knows more about wrestling than your average fan considering that I've been in the wrestling business, I never listened to Meltzer considering that he's never been in the wrestling business.. I don't understand why people listens to Meltzer considering he's full of shit
@maxwelljacobfreedom Fauci is a qualified professional with a lifetime of work behind him.
Meltzer is an author who has never formally trained as a wrestler.
Crap analogy.
AEW is proof as to why you should ignore Marks.
AEW is proof is why you should Avoid AEW
AEW is the very example of this Era of wrestling is the worst ever period
I wish Dixie knew this when she was paying attention to them.
That’s a whole fact
You’re a mark, too.
Bret and Owen were great turnbuckle workers, Bro!
true, especially Bret
I used to admire George Steele's turnbuckle work
Ikr. 🤣
The Rock's eyebrow work was as phenomenal as AJ Styles' forearm work.
Yeah, the way he ate the stuffing out of those turnbuckles, was epic.
I really look up to Sting and his face paint work.
lol
Meltzer has never took a bump ..booked an angle laced up boots or even set up a ring ..why do people listen to him ..I have no clue
Wut?
It's sad that we never get to see Shane McMahon's tronwork anymore.
or Foleys Cage work
@@MrSweetpoeticjustice Or Val Venis's towel work.
or Stone Cold's Beer Work
Triple H's Water Works.... :D
Modern pace to me sounds like the hollywood term for "modern audiences" every hack writer uses to excuse there film from being God awful, Dave Meltzer to me is the woke equivalent of wrestling, it's a shame that wrestling is in such a bubble that no one watches it and that these "wrestlers" are all padding themselves on the back constantly for doing horribly in the ratings and in the ring.
For real,if they are soooo great in the ring,then why are they able to fill whole episodes of botchamania by themselves
Patting not padding. You are the very modern audience Hollywood talks about.
@@JohnKobaRuddyHow so?
Lmao Love it when Russo and Snow shred melter
It's the best
How so...? They’re both almost as bad as he is
@@DS-616 fail harder? What?
@@bustersales6921 why do you watch his show then dumbo
Meltzer
The Japanese Rope Work style is underrated
I would say "rope work" is more of a Mexican thing.
I'm a huge Muta mark. Well, I was but lookin back his rope work wasn't very polished
Japanese rope work is shibari, probably what Meltzer gets up to with the Elite lmao
Rope work sounds like a porn term. Dave is like “Ray Phoenix was on fire, he put in rope work all over my face! What a savage!”
However, people are starting to take notice. 😉
Meltzer has ALWAYS been a joke in the business,it's only because of the bullet club/elite fad that launched him into this conjob of being an "expert"
Lolwut
Andre the Giant had great rope work when he’d do the spot where he gets tied up in the ropes
Austin’s beer work is the best in the business
"Ropework - The skill of using, maintaining, and repairing ropes. It's used by climbers, seafarers and military personnel. Ropework includes tying knots, splicing, making lashings, whipping and making proper usage and storing of ropes"
Dave Meltzer must have seen the wrestlers make the ring ropes prior to the match when putting my the ring together. He's so thorough that he incorporates this into the final rating of their matches.
I learned something new today. When I watch matches from now on, I’ll pay closer attention to their rope work.
Peter North had excellent rope work
❤❤❤
One of the top 5 best Professional Wrestling Matches I've ever seen live in person, was Al Snow vs Val Venis. It was the main event on an independent card at The Grand Casino here in Minnesota. The best part, bar none, had to be their rope work.
Meltzer just makes words up and the Smarks just eat it up like the dude invented the dictionary, it's quite both sad and pathetic.
Lol calm down, champ
Yep
Rope work is what they always called doing the jump roap drills in the boxing gym lol never heard of that in wwe
WTF has Dave Meltzer been smoking
The guy is legit making New Jack look straight edge lol
Guess Tony's sharing his coke lol
atleast new jack would be like yo im fucked up so youd expect some wild shit w him😭😭
Ray Mysterio had top notch rope work
Always Crisp.
Everyone looks up to him because the marks who sat at home fantasizing about wrestling; playing the video games; and running e-fed's got into the business and became wrestlers and promoters. Now, no one cares about drawing money. All they want to do is make friends, have fun, and live out their fantasies and expect other people to pay to see them jerk each other off.
Al should start his own podcast.
This is from Al's podcast
You’re joking right..? Al snow is a clown lol
@@bustersales6921 Clowns draw, Bro
Al and Foley would be better than Conrad and Foley
@@Nostalgia9478 draw what?
Captivating rope work. Al is the best.
...sarcasm..? Snow is almost as bad as meltzer
@@bustersales6921 nah not a chance. Al made a career in the business, not writing about it as an outsider
@Random White Dude lol are you being ironic/sarcastic...?
No offense just playing devils advocate, but aren't all wrestling terms made up.
If you're goona be that guy I'll be the guy who then says well that can be applied to any spoken word language in human existence
big difference when THE WRESTLERS name things , n when the FANS do
Too funny
Meltzer is trying to be like Jericho making up saying’s trying to get them to mean something.
Seriously though, we need more Rope Work combined with a Modern Pace and I think that could bring back the casual viewer.
Any hardcore wrestler who has good under the ring work is fine with me
I think it's when you hold the tag rope better than the last guy? Ha.
Oh wait, they don't do tags in tag matches in Aew. Ha.
I guess in modern wrestling as in modern music, doing it old school is short hand for doing it right...
Omega and Bucks probably talk to Meltzer about "rope work" all the time so he repeats it... Bucks don't do wrestling they do gymnastics into their opponent's waiting arms maybe it is a gymnastic expression.
I don't think Dave is a bad guy, but his thought process really is hurting the business
I tried out Dynamite for the first time and it was SO SO BORING. All super long matches for no reason and no character work or storylines. I fell asleep watching, no joke. I really wanted to like it as well. The only match that was interesting was a Jarrett match due to heat and a backstory from other federations 😂 and i have never even liked JJ in TNA
Seriously AsspieDave as a fixation on the LuchaCrap "wrestling."
I'm going to be spicy with this, but Mexico and Japan never got it right, or understood, what the U.S. guys were trying to teach them. Instead, they took in the information and bastardized the crap out of it by forgetting what psychology is and how to actually work a match. So they took the idea of pro wrestling, then infused it with their "warrior pride" bullshit (Aztec/Samurai crap).
It turned it into either,. a circus stunt show where everyone is doing flips and twists and crap at full speed, with no idea of psychology and selling (Lucha), or they legitimately beat each other with strikes and drop each other on their heads , again at full speed, with no idea of psychology or selling (Puro).
And because AsspieDave and his ButtBuddyBrian are overly pushing this narrative as both being the be all and end all, not only people getting brainwashed on this propaganda, but this is also resulting in guys/gals actually doing the work risking life, limb, and eyesight on trying to imitate that, honestly, niche garbage from Mexico or Japan. Meanwhile normal guys are either watching WWE or the old stuff.
These marks today call wrestling holds, "rest holds"
It's not just the wrestling business. It's the woke ideology
wrong
Right
Does Russo not realise the brand is the nickname of the aryan brotherhood.
The ring crew does rope work
The ropes were convinced those guys were killin eachother
Me as a current day wrestling fan that is always for the current thing always likes matches that involve a solid workrate, good ropework and a modern pacing. That is when my wifes boyfriend let's me watch wrestling.
Tajiri, Les Kellett and The Undertaker had awesome rope work. :P I really miss when wrestlers would get tied up in the ropes by the arms or hanging by the neck.
That was some 5 star rope work. :P
I would argue that Dave isn't an average fan... he is a nob head. PS. Justice for turnbuckles!
I remember as a kid watching Andre tie Hogan to the ropes using his ripped vest pieces. It was so obvs fake but my grandad was genuinely disgusted saying "arrrghh!".
Ehh for the most part I agree except I sometimes thought The Dead Man's rope work was stiff. 😉
So Ray Fenix does a lot of stuff where he’ll run on the top rope or springboard from the middle to the top rope and stuff like that in super creative ways. Not everybody’s cup of tea but it’s fairly impressive. I actually don’t mind making up a new term for it, because I’ve never seen anyone who uses the ropes like he does. I personally wouldn’t bury someone for 9 minutes because he called it “rope work,” but I’ve never laced up a pair of boots. Basically if Russo had watched the match, or almost any Ray Fenix match, he’d know exactly what Meltzer meant. (This is my first time hearing the term as well, and it was easy enough for me to figure out.) So not sure about the choice to act like Meltzer burned down the Sistine Chapel live on air without bothering to watch the match he was talking about.
Couldn't agree more.. I understood exactly what Meltzer was meaning with that term.. They haven't seen the match and I'd love to hear what term they would use for Reys style on the ropes? But according to Al snow i wouldn't have a clue because i never wrestled.. lazy argument
@@justlookin28That's not what he said my man
Really isn't every term just made up at some point in a fictional business.
No.
@@goodday2760 what...?
Duh. Words/language mean nothing. Russo & snow are complete nobodies
I assume rope work refers to the ability to spring board off ropes while people stand around waiting for you to land on them.
It’s like Corny says Dave was bitter the wrestlers didn’t like him for years and now the younger ones worship him, he’s got to make shit up for them to look good.
Kornet is a clown
@@dickhollywood4935 You can’t even spell his name right, so whose the real clown.
Haha I love Al Snow and Vince together.
Said no one ever
Every supposed smart mark is just a mark nowadays. Hearing how some of them talk about wrestling, even the journos, they don't come across as if they know wrestling at all.
"Rope Work?" Sounds like a porn review
5 Star Rope Work
All this talk about rope work and no one is addressing the ring apron work...the steel steps work that goes on during entrances...
When you have lads who reckom they dont neer to listen to advice it makes you think how much of the art is being lost.
Sad how much will be left in 50 years.
,"I can't cope, piss up a rope"
I hear Hangman Adam Page knows his way around a rope
Doink's clown work was top notch. 5 stars!
Dink made it 6
"Modern Pace" = Too fast for the casual fan to process what you're doing. As a booker myself, one of the last things I want to see out of a wrestler is a so-called "modern pace". Slow down and get over, instead.
Why no turnbuckle work? Eash, the Ropes have a better Union and are in with the Mats.
Why does Russo reiterate the same thing so many times? He asks for clarification that its not a real thing like 6 times. I like this show but Russo has a real issue with longing out points and repeating himself, despite making the original point 5x more slowly than he needed to
"modern" style and work just means fastr paced. For better pr worse everything is faster now. The 12 minute larry zybyzko stalling t the beginging of every awa match wouldnt fly anymore. Stuff eveolves. And at some point itll go back around and slow back down.
I know people look fondly upon the attitude era but looking back on it there's clearly a lack of rope work
"Meltza' gave 'em a 7-stah' match fo' dey'uh rope-wo'hk in da Tokyo Dome, bro!"
It should be “I couldn’t care less about this guy”
“Could care less” means you actually care about him a little bit.
And we all don’t give a shit about DM!
Salsa music Davis confusing wrestling specialized Japanese BDSM porn, although considering what he's been liking the last few years he probably doesn't understand the difference because some of the people he watches that are in both
Andre the Giant was the worst at rope work. He fell and got caught in them all the time. Pacing is awful in modern wrestling. Like I understand taking an arm drag and popping up, but guys pop back up after taking what were once considered finishing moves. Instead of needing 4 finishers to put a guy down, make sure that he fights like hell to avoid it in the first place. Like if I know Austin is going to use the stunner, I am going to desperately fight to avoid it
Rey Mysterio has the best rope work in the business. George The Animal Steele had the best turnbuckle work in history.
Redefining the term Rope-A-Dope?😆
Screw Meltzer. Jumped up mark. But I love to see Al get riled up over him haha. Great videos guys
Best rope work was Foley....until that match in gemany w vader lol
Whats the deal with dave ? Was he a former wrestler? How is he involved in the business who pays him for his botched 5 star system i don't get it.
How do you work the ropes? Ever see flair’s way of running the ropes during his heat 😝
I'll always watch Al Snow lol
Work rate is a legit term used within sports tbh and you could use it in Pro Wrestling.
“I’ll always watch al snow”
Said no one ever
@@dickhollywood4935 Clearly I said it as I enjoy listening to the man...
God you wrestling fans are so weird.
@@dickhollywood4935Not a fan huh?
How can it be used in wrestling?
Earthquake had amazing rope work when setting up his finisher.
What work
Al Snow? Russo, you arent even as knowledgable as Al Bundy or even Al dente.
“You’re killing our views” Haha BRO has 7k views 🤣
Wonder what Uncle Dave means when he says uhm uhm uhm you know uhm.
People like to pretend it's not related to politics
Isn't he the same dork that coined the phrase "work rate"?
Just the fact that Dave Meltzer thinks Rey Fenix is any sort of good or relatable wrestler really really really lowers the credibility rating
Isn’t the 619 ropework lol Rey Jr.
In the shower, Dave Meltzer has “soap on a rope work”. 😂
Turns out the ropes are a shoot...
Man, they milked that to death....
Rope Work On A Pole Match 😂
Glad Al has been tearing Dave apart
I haven’t had my rope worked in a couple weeks, I’m gonna explode here!
Meltzer is good for a few things. Making fun of him. Wait, that's about it.
Rey Mysterio has unmatched rope work. Also, Taker walking the top rop is amazing rope work for a 7ft man.
So what is rope work?
Meltzer must've been thinking of how those cruiserweights jump and bounce on the ropes
I don’t think he ever said it was an official “insider term” or something. And I think anyone with a brain (not the people in this video) would understand that he meant the work Fenix was doing from off the ropes.
Duh. Snow & Russo are nobodies
Nothing gets by you, huh
@@TL2354 I am smarter than Al, Russo and their fans.
There is zero chance that Dave wasn't communicating with some geek, who used this monstrosity of a term, and Dave, being the king of internet wrestling shilllords, took it for himself and nobody is a better example than Rey Fenix, so it just works for the goobers. It's just another moment in pathetic internet wrestling fandom.
rope work is a term in the circus I'm not kidding
Kinda sums up the majority of AEW matches.
Rope work is a perfectly cromulent term.
Rope work 🎉
I thought ‘ropework’ was a boxing term for where your back is to the ropes and you’re defending from punches.
Personally, I think Vince Russo and Al Snow have captured lightning in a bottle! Oh!! And let's hear it for Ropework!
No wrestler in history had better turnbuckle work than the great George the Animal Steele!
You’re just jealous because Dave is so hip, young and cool.
😂
"Rope Work?" Sounds like an AVN Award
I'm still not entirely sure what workrate is supposed to mean tbh. Back in the day, it was considered to be this weird average of how many moves were performed in a match's runtime but I think even Meltzer backed off on that concept given how ridiculous it is.
Yeah I don't get it. I was almost sucked into it around the ecw era, but to me working is maximum crowd involvement, preferably with minimal filler and maximum efficiency so to me, high workrate would be getting alot out if nothing