As an engineering student I would love to make a device that automatically punches holes. I think one could make “a music maker box” a music box that punches holes instead of playing them, an arduino could control the hole punching, and an encoder could Tracy the rotation of a drive wheel. The goal being you export a MIDI to the device and it automatically prints out a perfect copy.
Yes, actually you can by trying to feed the arduino the midi data to serial data so that the arduino can read it, add some mechanical puncher then done
Learn some woodworking/crafting skills, make your own music boxes, hire a local photographer to take photos and videos close up, create a website, make a business card that can be played, attend your local state fairs and markets/festivals
I love how your music compositions sound so ethereal and light like the heavens, cosmos. They have a levity and joy to them. Listening to your compositions makes me feel happy.
I never want to do this myself, but I am totally intrigued by your dedication, creativity, and of course the music! So I keep watching your videos. Marbleous!
Oh dang... took me 2 minutes before I realized who was doing this music box tutorial... None other than the worlds premier artisan music box master wintergatan with those crazy music machines. What a legend.
woooooow!!!! Martin you just taught 2 months worth of music programming class within 15 minutes *SUCH AN EFFECTIVE TEACHER YOU ARE*. You are like *if God taught humans how to eat* awesome!!!!!
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I remember being young and having music whisping through my head all the time, wishing I had the means to write it down... you are so very talented. Thank you for sharing.
The quality of your video content is just as awesome as your music! It's fun to watch, entertaining, educating and inspiring at the same time. Wish more content on RUclips would be that good!
*kids getting off the polar express* Kid A:What did yours say? Kid B:Believe Kid A:Cool mine said wisdom Kid C: mine is a butch of dots that make weird noises when put through this specific machine
Not one to usually comment on RUclips videos but this has kept me mesmerised for the whole video. Very impressive and refreshing to see traditional music composing isn’t being lost.
Programming music boxes myself I would add a very useful warning that you cannot place two successive notes on the same line too close to each other or the 2nd one will not play. However it may depend on the specific mechanics of the music box you are using.
Hey Martin! I really loved the song you wrote from minute 2:25 to 3:50, and I wanted to ask you if you would mind to do an special video to listen to that song, I really liked it, and I know I'm not the only one who did. Congratulations for your amazing and fantastic job, wintergatan wednesdays are awesome.
I didn't think making music box music was so difficult. You do it all by hand! Which is amazing. Thank you so much for having this video. Also props for the glow in the dark planets and stars @12:06
You don’t need midi, also, most music boxes only play in c major (no flats or sharps- which most songs have) unless you customize the metal rods on the inside... just look up sheet music and copy the notes (remember the song has to have no sharps or flats... one thing that I have learned is if you play the same note twice instead moving to a sharp or a flat, that Could work, just doesn’t sound as good
Nero your a smart azz. Videos with thorough info are great. Means he really knows his stuff and willing to share. Next time keep your stupid comment to yourself. There is a reason you watched it and the only comment left was a smart azz remark. Your stupid.
i will not ever be knowing when the information I got from this video will ever benefit me in any way. but thanks for the video broo.. very entertaining and satisfying
Hello, this might seem a bit akward but im gonna wright this comment anyway... So first of im Hannes from Hamburg, Germany and i like the music you and youre friends create, in my everyday life i work as a Motorcycle mechanic and many of my friends think im not the soft kind of guy and a person with strong emotions but sometimes i become soft and i get really emotional and i had one of these moments right now when you played the song on the e-piano i just startet crying and started thinking of my dead grandparents that was in one way sad from my perspective but in the same time i felt happy and open minded. Thanks for that experience. wish yall a nice week and a great day =) Sorry for any cringe and write errors but i had to give wintergatan my respect or something like that
Hannes9541 Thats so awesome. I think its important we take ourselves to those points to experience emotion that touch our heart. It is sad but yes, beautiful, as well. It reminds us of being alive and that we are all tender in middle. ♡
The diagonal join is the way audio tape has been joined for many years, it's a tried and tested method. Surprised you haven't come up with a multi hole punch, one key for each hole. You could go into business selling confetti :D
The ending is just wonderful. Lots of ideas are popping in my head. And all the confettis on the desk made me think of stars, just like Wintergatan is all about :)
I don't know how people can dislike this video. If people are not into it then why not go watch something else? WoW anyhow. I have always enjoyed machine and music, granted I have not been as fond of player pianos for whatever reason until more recently. My thoughts from long ago when asked to transcribe pop music to midi files, got me thinking of making a music box that uses solenoids. Obviously the trick is to find small ones and to be able to isolate or dampen the sound they make. I then thought xylophone! Well I have to admit that I am just a dreamer more than a doer and when I was turned on to Wintergaten I was immediately smitten by the realization of such electromechanical gems and nice compositions. Thank you for the inspiration to keep experimenting with music and the means to create it.
Dear Martin and Wintergatan Your videos are a highlight of my week! The effort you put into everything you do is really contagious, you make me want to build my own instruments! Your openness is inspiring and it's such a joy to see the steps, iterations and processes you go through as well as your problems and the methods you take to solve them is fantastic to see. Keep being awesome.
Martin, I just realized I never posted a "thank you" -- there's very few people I consider "inspirational", and you're on that list. Thanks for sharing your info and creatively! I picked up a 30-note music box and eventually will motorize it -- one day, I hope to create something similar to your "building a music box" project. Cheers from the USA!
I think I just fell in love with visual musicianship. I'm coining that term btw. I fell in love with the way the music makes art in it's form of playing, how you can see every note being played to form an image that's part of a whole bigger art piece
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this video! I don’t have the skills to build a music box but with these simple skills, I can transcribe my compositions like this -super easy! And it sounds beautiful. Thank you!
I wish I have such music talent. not self pity here. I have excellent hearing for pitch and rhythm. love you! from your south east Asian friend, Jethro.
Hey Martin, I've been loving these Wintergatan Wednesday videos. I'm an engineer/programmer/musician with experience in laser cutting and would love to work with you on automating this process. I think it should be pretty simple. I already have some ideas, but please get in touch and we can talk about what you have in mind!
If you have advice or ideas on my two questions that i am asking in the video (laser cutting software & 20-note music box continuous paper roll) the best place to send me ideas is actually by posting a picture on the Marble Machine Development photo sharing page: says this in the desc just follow what he says
Wintergatan, I know this video is like 3 years old but your music inspires me so much. I don't know if I'm looking too much into it (I probably am, that's what I do best) but everything about your arrangements are so whimsical and nonfiction that it inspired me to work on an RPG idea that I've had in my head for _years_ now. Your music just has a really soothing element to it and I've always loved it. Keep making awesome sounds. Love ya man.
5:01 when he puts that piece onto the tape, my mind was blown I was like holy *! And immediately did this. Thank you so much! This will save me tons of time I believe.
Hi Martin. Would it be possible for you to upload a video on how the music box actually works? I've been interested for a long time in how the mechanism reads the holes on the piece of card. Thanks for these Wintergatan Wednesdays videos! They're always great to watch :)
The sound is produced by metal tongues of different lengths for each note. Above each of these is a wheel with teeth, a bit like a gear. When the wheel is turned, the teeth pluck the metal tongue, producing the note. When the paper is fed through, the holes in the paper latch on to the teeth on the upper side of the wheel and turn the wheel slightly as the paper is pulled foward, making the teeth on the lower side of the wheel pluck the metal tongue. Hope that makes sense!
I actually could do this!!!! I found a link to this when I was searching for custom-melody music boxes online and this sounds like SO much fun but would also challenge my follow-through skills quite a bit. The way you use MIDI is super useful and makes a lot of sense and I would really like to give this a go sometime--keeping your tricks for fixing punching wrong notes in mind, because I know I will make many fuck-ups ;) I found the fact that a music box doesn't play the note until the punch ends very interesting and I think I learned a little bit about the mechanics of music boxes through this. Thank you for enlightening us nostalgic folk who love the aching sounds of music boxes with a passion. I will absolutely be attempting this as a hobby and hopefully not failing miserably or getting frustrated beyond belief!
13:19 he cuts a perfectly straight line without a ruler. I enjoy little stuff like that :P Also tuning a music box with solder, you gotta be creative and somewhat daring to come up with that.., gee. And the music! the music is wonderful! I'm loving these videos, keep it up!
i wrote a song for my wife and i would absolutely LOVE to be able to afford to do this for her. She'd love it! Also, ive been having hearing issues that are finally clearing up but when those high notes didnt play, they played in my mind and i couldnt hear them on the speakers....so, i replayed it and i thought "NOOOOO! I cant hear those notes!!!" I felt devastated. my wife has some tone deafness and she cant hear certain notes. that's always been a scary thought for me since music is everything to me, next to family..... ....when you confirmed that it didnt play, i cant tell you how relieved i was!! hahaha
@@hikikomoriarty Sadly, no.... not something I can afford. I did record it on guitar for her, so she does have a version on her phone to listen to....but it's not the same thing. 😅 Good thing I got that done, at least. guitar is getting a pawn loan tomorrow so I can spoile my kids for Xmas. 😄 ...speaking of making her gifts: Ironically, I'm currently (as in: got on to RUclips to listen to music while I work) working on a painting for her for a Christmas gift (nothing special...I'm not a great artist.... but, I think she will like it 😶 ). kind of a kid's gift.... but... that's all I have. ......but.... maybe I could find something I could sell tomorrow and have this done for her instead? 🤔 Edit: reading that post back.....wow, My Apologies! I didn't mean to sound like such a whiner!! 🤦♂️😅I need to get my shit together... 🤷♂️😅
@@evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879 I'm sorry you have to sell / pawn so many things to give gifts to your loved ones. (Makes me think of that old O.Henry short story!) Times are tough, aren't they? It's still super-romantic that you wrote a special song for her, and are doing a personal painting for her. 💝I think it's cute that someone with such a SuperVillainous handle is actually so sweet, LOL!! 😸
@@hikikomoriarty I appreciate the kind words! Thank you! My wife is an angel and I'm lucky to have her as a life partner, let alone a friend and soul mate! I'm blessed in that way, so it's literally the least I can do to treat her like the amazing human she is! As for the name, it is a stage name I use for many forms of art (I've onlyposted one of the beats I worked on so far, but I will post more music as I get it finished. I have some decent beats but...being a rapper at nearly 40 doesn't seem like a sound move for me to make. I might just try to sell the beats). The name is supposed to have a somewhat insidious, mysterious tone to it.... that's what I originally wanted but, interestingly enough, I couldn't think of a name that was true to my nature, my past, my interests and thay didn't sound like a 7th grader came up with it 😄 I decided to let fate choose for me and used the Wu Tang Clan Name Generator create a name for me 😄 That's how Childish Gambino (stage name for a rap artist...who does many other forms of art, that's just his music handle) was created. I figured I'd give it a try. I put in my name twice: my full name and the short hand version....and The Occultist Gilt and The Golden Mystic were the names that came up. Kind of odd that they are, in essence, the same basic thing. I loved the name, felt grateful to get one that cool and stuck with it. ...it suits me: I have tried many, many ways to connect with God or any celestial entity. I used to call myself a modern shaman when I was younger and in the middle of learning 😄 I mean, I'm perpetually learning....but, then, specifically about the occult. My wife and I even put our cats' names into it and it would come back with names like "Panther Spunky" for our all black, spaz of a cat. 😄 almost spooky how accurate it was! Sorry to ramble on 😄 I have a knack for making a short story long 😅 ..and no worries about my personal issues. Maybe, had I made a different bed.... it'd be more comfortable lying in it currently 😉😋 Things will work out....or they won't. either way, a new adventure awaits! take care and thanks again for the kind words!
@@hikikomoriarty KillaBzOnAttk (Killer Bees On Attack) is a line from a rap song by Wu Tang Clan. it's a call and response: "My people: are you with me? where you at?" "In da front, in the back! Killa Bees on Attack" ....That's my gaming handle. Im.... a man child, let's be real here 😆
Ohhh I've always wanted to do music box songs, thank you so much for this tutorial, Martin!! ^-^ There's a lot of work involved but it worths it :D I love the new song you've composed too
Watching videos like this just confirms that I'm an idiot. I'm not joking I've been watching all sorts of talented people who craft and engineer amazing things. Jesus I should get smart! But I won't bother, ignorance is bliss.
Thanks for this, Inspired by your creations I am planning to make a music box for my wife of our wedding music. This makes it a lot easier to understand how to do it.
@@hikikomoriarty Not yet, I had some Cherry logs so carved a heart with a keyhole in the front and made a small brass key with a heart-shaped end. She now has the key to my heart. I have to think what to do this year...
this is my first time ever using a music box + sheets, and i was a little confused until i watched your video 🥺 this was so incredibly helpful with many useful tips, thanks heaps!
I remember watching a video that was filmed for tv in the late 70s or 80s about how they made piano rolls. At the time they had a computer program set up to automatically cut the rolls.
This musicbox machine have a cinema camera shape. You can do a ligth projection shadow of those dots like a movie on the wall when is playing the music!
Those electric hole punchers already existed way back in the mid 20th century if you able to find one of those old computers with Punchcard mechanism you can maybe take the mechanism and hook it up to a new PC. It won’t be easy but it’s doable.
Hello :) I have created a small python program to translate MIDI data into a DXF file which should be usable for any laser cutter. The usability still needs a bit of improvement. It does not warn if holes are overlapping etc. but it has options for all the dimensions. Are you comfortable with using the command line/terminal? What OS are you using? (The video overlay looks like Logic :) I can improve it a bit and make a small GUI for it to be usable with mouse and keyboard (which I plan anyways). I will release it in the next days on github, I need some sleep :)
Many of them have pass-throughs. There are also relatively easy methods of creating alignment aids such as registration pins with a "key" cut out of an otherwise unused potion of the tape. Also aren't there (relatively) inexpensive consumer-grade continual feed laser cutters anyway?
That's so cool, could you give me the link on github. Actually I have finished some basic work. I've used the Microsoft Office Excel to make Midi file transformed into proper table on which there are plenty of small circles that can guide me to punch. But it's pretty inefficient, so I need to improve the tech.
I had an idea, something that shouldn't be too hard for you to implement. Let's say you wanted to vary the tempo automatically. You could put buttons on the box so that someone could adjust the tempo, but there's a better way. If you have an LED and an optical sensor, you could teach an arduino to tell when there's paper between the two. (There's probably a mechano-electrical way to do this that works better, just FYI.) Then, you could punch holes in the margins of the paper, and use that sensor to detect certain patterns in the holes that you punch. you could easily have three speeds by just using two hole positions. 0_ could mean slow, 00 could mean medium, and _0 could mean fast. Then, whenever you want to change the tempo, you just slid a thin wooden jig on the side of the paper, line it up with where you want the timing to change, and then punch the proper holes as determined by the jig.
Hey, I had that same Idea. But if you'd use an arduino, why don't use binary encoding? Then you could easily get 8 different speeds by just using tree holes. And you could also use the other edge of the paper to control the volume and make a chrescendo for example. But I don't know if that would really fit to the music box, because the point is having a mechanical device producing the sound. I think it would look better if you do it mechanically. Maybe a simple mechanical counter, then the speed is determined by how many consecutive holes there are. And the adjustment could be done by a belt that runs on two cones and is shifted to one side or the other. Unfortunately I'm not at home so i can't try it out by myself.
One problem with that that I have is that you need a configuration for "no change". Otherwise, he'll have to continuously punch holes for wherever the music is a certain tempo. I think it'd be best if he only had to punch holes where the tempo changes, and thus you can't use the ___ configuration, as there's no way to distinguish it from the rest of the program. However, I was thinking of binary when I made this comment. So we are thinking along the same lines. Just, with what I was thinking, you could only use 2^n - 1 out of 2^n combos without continuous punching.
And then you could add registers like was used in the days of fairground organs where a non playing hole position changed the equivalent to stops in a manual organ
That is the most beautiful music box tune I’ve ever heard in my life. I can’t get enough of it. Did you make that tune up yourself? If so, wow! Absolutely exquisite.
Martin! I just premiered my first piece for music box on a concert - thank you for creating beautiful music with this instrument and for showing others how to do it! :)
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As an engineering student I would love to make a device that automatically punches holes. I think one could make “a music maker box” a music box that punches holes instead of playing them, an arduino could control the hole punching, and an encoder could Tracy the rotation of a drive wheel. The goal being you export a MIDI to the device and it automatically prints out a perfect copy.
exactly what I was thinking
Please do this
Making THAT sounds like hell
Perhaps print it on tyvec, cut join and punch it out. Assuming tyvec would be strong enough. You would have to fiddle somewhat to get the scale right.
Yes, actually you can by trying to feed the arduino the midi data to serial data so that the arduino can read it, add some mechanical puncher then done
As a girl who dreamed to be a composer, producer and a singer I found your videos really inspires me to work hard for my dreams and to be patient
@aleee u want to be kpoper ?
Can’t wait until your famous
Learn some woodworking/crafting skills, make your own music boxes, hire a local photographer to take photos and videos close up, create a website, make a business card that can be played, attend your local state fairs and markets/festivals
Set up a bunch of music boxes and sing along on stage
all that wishes shall be the happening with you 💐
I love how your music compositions sound so ethereal and light like the heavens, cosmos. They have a levity and joy to them. Listening to your compositions makes me feel happy.
Good description
This guy has more musical and engineering talent in his discarded finger nail clipping from third grade than I have in my entire body. Astounding.
I was myself astonished after only listening and watching this guy for moments ...
OH SHHHHH I JUST REALISED UR THAT GOD WHO MADE THE MARBLE MUSIC MACHINE
Me too
u just realized that?
@@Phoenixgaming-zf4tu 3 months ago... ?
Lol you didn't know that?
Me too
"I have retuned my music boxes by adding some soldering". Speechless once again on a Wednesday evening.
When you're so frustrated from punching holes in the paper you punch a hole in the wall
😂🔥
EpreTroll ✔
In the head )))
LoL 🤣😆
Then it's a glory hole
I never want to do this myself, but I am totally intrigued by your dedication, creativity, and of course the music! So I keep watching your videos. Marbleous!
Step one:
*LEARN THE PIANO*
Or you could just put the MIDI notes in an audio workstation using a mouse
Well if you want to compose music a bit of music theory could help, especially with the chords and melodies and such
@@franzsno7019 Definitely.
Noone like!
🤣🤣
Oh dang... took me 2 minutes before I realized who was doing this music box tutorial... None other than the worlds premier artisan music box master wintergatan with those crazy music machines.
What a legend.
woooooow!!!! Martin you just taught 2 months worth of music programming class within 15 minutes *SUCH AN EFFECTIVE TEACHER YOU ARE*.
You are like *if God taught humans how to eat* awesome!!!!!
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THAT OUTRO WAS THE AMAZINGIEST THING EVER MADE!
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umm...
He has been using that outro for a while now...
Meep Merp oh shit... BUT STILL!
It's not even good...
BartCloni I question alot of questions
I remember being young and having music whisping through my head all the time, wishing I had the means to write it down... you are so very talented. Thank you for sharing.
you are nothing less than a genius of our current generation. Thank you for your contribution towards music and innovation.
2:52 Something ethereal, surreal, ephemeral, dreamlike...
Beautiful.
The words your using damn
What is the name of that please
The quality of your video content is just as awesome as your music!
It's fun to watch, entertaining, educating and inspiring at the same time. Wish more content on RUclips would be that good!
Svelix I wish I was like that!
Svelix Why are you with Wilson
@@lianrobintribunal484 because I have a RUclips membership of the channel.
As a trigger-happy drummer, I find your patience inspiring.
Ra Lu As a producer so do I
*kids getting off the polar express*
Kid A:What did yours say?
Kid B:Believe
Kid A:Cool mine said wisdom
Kid C: mine is a butch of dots that make weird noises when put through this specific machine
This need more likes
Jajajajaja I laughed for 5 minutes. Underrated
This comment is so underrated 😂😂😂
LMAO I JUST WATCHED THAT MOVIE AND I GOT A HOLE PUNCH MUSIC BOX FOR CHRISTMAS-
🤪
Not one to usually comment on RUclips videos but this has kept me mesmerised for the whole video. Very impressive and refreshing to see traditional music composing isn’t being lost.
Mesmerized was just the word I was looking for ... 🌈
Programming music boxes myself I would add a very useful warning that you cannot place two successive notes on the same line too close to each other or the 2nd one will not play. However it may depend on the specific mechanics of the music box you are using.
That is correct. Thank you for pointing this out!
@@hikikomoriartymaybe put them farther apart but play faster in that section
Hey Martin! I really loved the song you wrote from minute 2:25 to 3:50, and I wanted to ask you if you would mind to do an special video to listen to that song, I really liked it, and I know I'm not the only one who did. Congratulations for your amazing and fantastic job, wintergatan wednesdays are awesome.
Me too bro
I really want to dedicate the song to my sister in her birthday…
I really want to have the song :')
you are not alone bro ! i want to listen full song too !
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I came back here 3 years later just to listen to the song. I remembered it randomly and missed it not to hear it... I feel better now
I didn't think making music box music was so difficult. You do it all by hand! Which is amazing. Thank you so much for having this video. Also props for the glow in the dark planets and stars @12:06
"This Is GOLD"
Luv it. he's not wrong
Step one: Try to do it
Step two: give up
Step three: Learn bad piano
Step four: *GIVE UP*
Don't give up!
Mann a lot of months
You don’t need midi, also, most music boxes only play in c major (no flats or sharps- which most songs have) unless you customize the metal rods on the inside... just look up sheet music and copy the notes (remember the song has to have no sharps or flats... one thing that I have learned is if you play the same note twice instead moving to a sharp or a flat, that Could work, just doesn’t sound as good
Never gonna give (you) up
@Hoang Long Tran Ngoc *you're?
"remember this left over part, this is gold"
kek walking straight back to my trash bin to get that back lmfao
Daniel Park REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Daniel Park 😂
Just happened to get to know this account ... if I may ask , do you actually know this song ? ... meaning: could you tell me its title ?
+Luciel Choi i think it's composed by wintergatan himself so no song name
omg hahahaa XD
The song you were creating is one of the most butefull songs I have ever heird in my intire life.
Beautiful *
Heard *
Entire *
"How to make confetti in just 8 hours!"
Nero Nyte hahaha... 😂😝👍🏻
LMAO
You are so accurate @Nero Nyte
Nero Nyte hahahaha
Nero your a smart azz. Videos with thorough info are great. Means he really knows his stuff and willing to share. Next time keep your stupid comment to yourself. There is a reason you watched it and the only comment left was a smart azz remark. Your stupid.
are... are you okay man? I lost my mind just making one song, how are you so calm???
I sees jaiden i comment
It’s ok, you have a Jaiden as your picture. It will bless you and help, just pray “que Jaiden me bendiga”... ok I’m sorry 😂😂
patience is a way of life
same, I allmost punched a hole in my wall on the first long music
he's a psychopath
i will not ever be knowing when the information I got from this video will ever benefit me in any way.
but thanks for the video broo..
very entertaining and satisfying
I've reach that part of the night where i started watching tutorials for something i will never do.. lol interesting
I really need to learn how to play the god damn piano...
Haha! Me too. Me too...
@@thomasdickson35 I need to find a music school
You will one day
Yeah after a year I’m still learning
@@Crawick youtube
Hello, this might seem a bit akward but im gonna wright this comment anyway...
So first of im Hannes from Hamburg, Germany and i like the music you and youre friends create, in my everyday life i work as a Motorcycle mechanic and many of my friends think im not the soft kind of guy and a person with strong emotions but sometimes i become soft and i get really emotional and i had one of these moments right now when you played the song on the e-piano i just startet crying and started thinking of my dead grandparents that was in one way sad from my perspective but in the same time i felt happy and open minded. Thanks for that experience. wish yall a nice week and a great day =)
Sorry for any cringe and write errors but i had to give wintergatan my respect or something like that
Hannes9541 His music always provoke emotions and feelings, in a good way. :))
Wow, what a great comment Hannes!
Hannes9541 it's like a lullaby , that makes you lose it and forget the whole world
Hannes9541 Thats so awesome. I think its important we take ourselves to those points to experience emotion that touch our heart. It is sad but yes, beautiful, as well. It reminds us of being alive and that we are all tender in middle. ♡
Bless you.
11:48 Now your galaxy has stars^^.
😇
Yup
Аnd hurt fingеr.
Using the first punched section as a friggin' TEMPLATE for the repeated sections - why didn't I think of that?? **PURE GENIUS** 💯
The diagonal join is the way audio tape has been joined for many years, it's a tried and tested method.
Surprised you haven't come up with a multi hole punch, one key for each hole.
You could go into business selling confetti :D
Sparky Projects what about just at least a hole punch for the chords. Like that could double your efficiency, but you might need two or three I guess
This is awesome! I actually bought a little musicbox this morning in Krakow and when I returned to the hostel I saw this video :)
The ending is just wonderful. Lots of ideas are popping in my head. And all the confettis on the desk made me think of stars, just like Wintergatan is all about :)
Mad respect for everyone doing this thing!! ❤️
I don't know how people can dislike this video. If people are not into it then why not go watch something else? WoW anyhow. I have always enjoyed machine and music, granted I have not been as fond of player pianos for whatever reason until more recently. My thoughts from long ago when asked to transcribe pop music to midi files, got me thinking of making a music box that uses solenoids. Obviously the trick is to find small ones and to be able to isolate or dampen the sound they make. I then thought xylophone! Well I have to admit that I am just a dreamer more than a doer and when I was turned on to Wintergaten I was immediately smitten by the realization of such electromechanical gems and nice compositions. Thank you for the inspiration to keep experimenting with music and the means to create it.
Using a xylophone contraption would also allow fast, repetitive notes on the same note (something currently impossible with a music box).
Dear Martin and Wintergatan
Your videos are a highlight of my week! The effort you put into everything you do is really contagious, you make me want to build my own instruments! Your openness is inspiring and it's such a joy to see the steps, iterations and processes you go through as well as your problems and the methods you take to solve them is fantastic to see.
Keep being awesome.
Martin, I just realized I never posted a "thank you" -- there's very few people I consider "inspirational", and you're on that list. Thanks for sharing your info and creatively! I picked up a 30-note music box and eventually will motorize it -- one day, I hope to create something similar to your "building a music box" project. Cheers from the USA!
I think I just fell in love with visual musicianship. I'm coining that term btw. I fell in love with the way the music makes art in it's form of playing, how you can see every note being played to form an image that's part of a whole bigger art piece
jesus proa i was noticing the melodic, artful pattern as well.
you brought tears to my eyes. your music transcends. Thankyou Wintergaten. Your melodies bridge sadness into hope and wonder.
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this video! I don’t have the skills to build a music box but with these simple skills, I can transcribe my compositions like this -super easy! And it sounds beautiful. Thank you!
I wish I have such music talent.
not self pity here. I have excellent hearing for pitch and rhythm.
love you!
from your south east Asian friend, Jethro.
I don't have a creative mind. My creative size doesn't work.
Hey Martin, I've been loving these Wintergatan Wednesday videos. I'm an engineer/programmer/musician with experience in laser cutting and would love to work with you on automating this process. I think it should be pretty simple. I already have some ideas, but please get in touch and we can talk about what you have in mind!
Yea with a rasberry pi/arduino or whatever and some help automating this wouldnt be that hard
better of with writing an email to him. even though i think he reads the comments, an email won't get lost that easily
If you have advice or ideas on my two questions that i am asking in the video (laser cutting software & 20-note music box continuous paper roll) the best place to send me ideas is actually by posting a picture on the Marble Machine Development photo sharing page:
says this in the desc just follow what he says
Thanks, I did this after FeuerToifel's suggestion to email him. :)
Happy to help!
cool beans yo!
Pikapetey Animations YOUR FUCKING EVERYWHERE
OMG YOU ARE EVERYWHERE!!! FROM THIS TO JONTRONSHOW!!
Pikapetey Animations you're everywhere
XxpickfoxX yez
What an unexpected appearance!!!
Nobody could've seen it!!
Wintergatan, I know this video is like 3 years old but your music inspires me so much. I don't know if I'm looking too much into it (I probably am, that's what I do best) but everything about your arrangements are so whimsical and nonfiction that it inspired me to work on an RPG idea that I've had in my head for _years_ now. Your music just has a really soothing element to it and I've always loved it. Keep making awesome sounds. Love ya man.
Hey, did you make this RPG yet? 😺
5:01 when he puts that piece onto the tape, my mind was blown I was like holy *! And immediately did this. Thank you so much! This will save me tons of time I believe.
Hi Martin. Would it be possible for you to upload a video on how the music box actually works? I've been interested for a long time in how the mechanism reads the holes on the piece of card.
Thanks for these Wintergatan Wednesdays videos! They're always great to watch :)
You're in luck! watch?v=OacXT6Nk0LE
Martin posted a build video on it in February, enjoy! It should explain everything you'd want to know about it
The sound is produced by metal tongues of different lengths for each note. Above each of these is a wheel with teeth, a bit like a gear. When the wheel is turned, the teeth pluck the metal tongue, producing the note. When the paper is fed through, the holes in the paper latch on to the teeth on the upper side of the wheel and turn the wheel slightly as the paper is pulled foward, making the teeth on the lower side of the wheel pluck the metal tongue. Hope that makes sense!
7:33 Well, at least you know there's always going to be a spot for you on the Polar Express...
rofl
Lol
This is my favorite comment
XD
Perfect comment for the situation lol
I actually could do this!!!! I found a link to this when I was searching for custom-melody music boxes online and this sounds like SO much fun but would also challenge my follow-through skills quite a bit. The way you use MIDI is super useful and makes a lot of sense and I would really like to give this a go sometime--keeping your tricks for fixing punching wrong notes in mind, because I know I will make many fuck-ups ;)
I found the fact that a music box doesn't play the note until the punch ends very interesting and I think I learned a little bit about the mechanics of music boxes through this. Thank you for enlightening us nostalgic folk who love the aching sounds of music boxes with a passion. I will absolutely be attempting this as a hobby and hopefully not failing miserably or getting frustrated beyond belief!
WOOOW I loved this video! I am wokring on a short bonus track, and I want to play some music box in that, your example helped me a lot.
The song in this is absolutely stunning
13:19 he cuts a perfectly straight line without a ruler. I enjoy little stuff like that :P
Also tuning a music box with solder, you gotta be creative and somewhat daring to come up with that.., gee.
And the music! the music is wonderful! I'm loving these videos, keep it up!
i wrote a song for my wife and i would absolutely LOVE to be able to afford to do this for her. She'd love it!
Also, ive been having hearing issues that are finally clearing up but when those high notes didnt play, they played in my mind and i couldnt hear them on the speakers....so, i replayed it and i thought "NOOOOO! I cant hear those notes!!!" I felt devastated. my wife has some tone deafness and she cant hear certain notes. that's always been a scary thought for me since music is everything to me, next to family.....
....when you confirmed that it didnt play, i cant tell you how relieved i was!! hahaha
Hey, Evil Panda - did you do it yet? That would be such a romantic gift!! 😻🎶
@@hikikomoriarty Sadly, no.... not something I can afford. I did record it on guitar for her, so she does have a version on her phone to listen to....but it's not the same thing. 😅 Good thing I got that done, at least. guitar is getting a pawn loan tomorrow so I can spoile my kids for Xmas. 😄
...speaking of making her gifts: Ironically, I'm currently (as in: got on to RUclips to listen to music while I work) working on a painting for her for a Christmas gift (nothing special...I'm not a great artist.... but, I think she will like it 😶 ). kind of a kid's gift.... but... that's all I have.
......but.... maybe I could find something I could sell tomorrow and have this done for her instead? 🤔
Edit: reading that post back.....wow, My Apologies! I didn't mean to sound like such a whiner!! 🤦♂️😅I need to get my shit together... 🤷♂️😅
@@evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879 I'm sorry you have to sell / pawn so many things to give gifts to your loved ones. (Makes me think of that old O.Henry short story!) Times are tough, aren't they? It's still super-romantic that you wrote a special song for her, and are doing a personal painting for her. 💝I think it's cute that someone with such a SuperVillainous handle is actually so sweet, LOL!! 😸
@@hikikomoriarty I appreciate the kind words! Thank you! My wife is an angel and I'm lucky to have her as a life partner, let alone a friend and soul mate! I'm blessed in that way, so it's literally the least I can do to treat her like the amazing human she is!
As for the name, it is a stage name I use for many forms of art (I've onlyposted one of the beats I worked on so far, but I will post more music as I get it finished. I have some decent beats but...being a rapper at nearly 40 doesn't seem like a sound move for me to make. I might just try to sell the beats). The name is supposed to have a somewhat insidious, mysterious tone to it.... that's what I originally wanted but, interestingly enough, I couldn't think of a name that was true to my nature, my past, my interests and thay didn't sound like a 7th grader came up with it 😄
I decided to let fate choose for me and used the Wu Tang Clan Name Generator create a name for me 😄 That's how Childish Gambino (stage name for a rap artist...who does many other forms of art, that's just his music handle) was created. I figured I'd give it a try.
I put in my name twice: my full name and the short hand version....and The Occultist Gilt and The Golden Mystic were the names that came up. Kind of odd that they are, in essence, the same basic thing. I loved the name, felt grateful to get one that cool and stuck with it.
...it suits me: I have tried many, many ways to connect with God or any celestial entity. I used to call myself a modern shaman when I was younger and in the middle of learning 😄
I mean, I'm perpetually learning....but, then, specifically about the occult.
My wife and I even put our cats' names into it and it would come back with names like "Panther Spunky" for our all black, spaz of a cat. 😄 almost spooky how accurate it was!
Sorry to ramble on 😄 I have a knack for making a short story long 😅
..and no worries about my personal issues. Maybe, had I made a different bed.... it'd be more comfortable lying in it currently 😉😋 Things will work out....or they won't. either way, a new adventure awaits!
take care and thanks again for the kind words!
@@hikikomoriarty KillaBzOnAttk (Killer Bees On Attack) is a line from a rap song by Wu Tang Clan. it's a call and response:
"My people: are you with me? where you at?"
"In da front, in the back! Killa Bees on Attack"
....That's my gaming handle. Im.... a man child, let's be real here 😆
Ohhh I've always wanted to do music box songs, thank you so much for this tutorial, Martin!! ^-^
There's a lot of work involved but it worths it :D I love the new song you've composed too
I’ve came back every single year to this video because this is how I discovered him, I also love the song at the 2 mark, thank you for this video.
Oh man just seeing your diagonal cut helped me. Why did I not think of that
Watching videos like this just confirms that I'm an idiot. I'm not joking I've been watching all sorts of talented people who craft and engineer amazing things. Jesus I should get smart! But I won't bother, ignorance is bliss.
I thought this would be simpler lol
I was mistaken
Thanks for this, Inspired by your creations I am planning to make a music box for my wife of our wedding music. This makes it a lot easier to understand how to do it.
Ohmygosh, how *romantic* ! ! 😻 Did you do it yet?
@@hikikomoriarty Not yet, I had some Cherry logs so carved a heart with a keyhole in the front and made a small brass key with a heart-shaped end. She now has the key to my heart.
I have to think what to do this year...
The amount of patience one must possess in order to create something this masterful defines the moment when Craft meets Magic.
That piano part just make me feel like on another dimension of relaxing🌹
Forgot to mention there's a software called "Music box composer" for iPad and pc which shows where all the holes need to go
This was helpful for me. Thank yoh
When he went “de de de ka ka de de de ka ka” *I felt that*
You deserve a great future, friend
this is my first time ever using a music box + sheets, and i was a little confused until i watched your video 🥺 this was so incredibly helpful with many useful tips, thanks heaps!
I remember watching a video that was filmed for tv in the late 70s or 80s about how they made piano rolls. At the time they had a computer program set up to automatically cut the rolls.
Martin makes Wednesday my favourite day
I dont even know how i got here but i could already tell this is a helpfull ass guide
11:51 - 11:56 thought you were howtobasic for a bit
Lmao yea
Love your signature-song at the end! Awesome video! Thanks for introducing me to this music-box tech and art.
you are truly a genius and extraordinary
, so does your determination, i have to comment to represent my respect sincerely.
11:24 "so now I've repeated the hole song twice" xD
LOL 😂
Same but looking half way through the video I realized its isnt as hard as I made it to be. It will still take some effort though. Still worth it.
This musicbox machine have a cinema camera shape. You can do a ligth projection shadow of those dots like a movie on the wall when is playing the music!
Those electric hole punchers already existed way back in the mid 20th century if you able to find one of those old computers with Punchcard mechanism you can maybe take the mechanism and hook it up to a new PC. It won’t be easy but it’s doable.
Fact of the day. This man is amazing.
The exclamation mark at the end sounds perfect!
And... it's so nice to see your progress towards MMX, your story is truly unique. Respect!
WHY IS THIS SO FRICKING CONFUSING?!!!!!!
And by that, I mean
WHY CANT I FRICKING PLAY THE PIANO???!!!!!
Because you're not seriously interested.
Buy a 10 dollar toy piano and start composing.
꧁Low Mike꧂ Million dollar advice, right there! But u are right though, I’m not interested in Piano. I just wanted to write that comment!
Piano?? I can’t even play a music box...
Practice
Rowlf the dog: I didn't know you could play piano.
Fozzie Bear: Neither did I until just now.
Cartoon/puppets hyperlearning.
Tip: If a note doesn't play, it's not your fault, it's just the Music Box being weird.
Tibbl same goes for my brain
@@michaelvanderhoff5628 lmao 👌🏽
Ty lol
Algo que exige muita paciência.....mas com um resultado igual a dedicação que se tem ao fazer. Lindo
bota paciência nisso, eu tive que fazer a fita eu mesmo pelo autocad, e programar uma caixinha dessas me deixou louco kkkkkkkkkk
Finalmente achei brs aq
This guy makes me proud to life in these decades
Part of what gives it charm is the fact that notes are punched slightly out, giving it that haunting speed up and down.
Hello :) I have created a small python program to translate MIDI data into a DXF file which should be usable for any laser cutter. The usability still needs a bit of improvement. It does not warn if holes are overlapping etc. but it has options for all the dimensions.
Are you comfortable with using the command line/terminal?
What OS are you using? (The video overlay looks like Logic :)
I can improve it a bit and make a small GUI for it to be usable with mouse and keyboard (which I plan anyways).
I will release it in the next days on github, I need some sleep :)
Many of them have pass-throughs. There are also relatively easy methods of creating alignment aids such as registration pins with a "key" cut out of an otherwise unused potion of the tape.
Also aren't there (relatively) inexpensive consumer-grade continual feed laser cutters anyway?
That's so cool, could you give me the link on github. Actually I have finished some basic work. I've used the Microsoft Office Excel to make Midi file transformed into proper table on which there are plenty of small circles that can guide me to punch. But it's pretty inefficient, so I need to improve the tech.
Please link if you were able to finish.
@@crispchris0_0 you can use musicboxmaniacs.com/ to create and print strips. Also has an app music box composer.
Nice
Jesteś tytanem pracy. Podziwiam Twoją determinację. Jak Ty to robisz ,że taki wielki projekt nie przeraża Cię? Pozdrawiam
cool I still like that your using lego in your Music Box
You are a genius and the world needs geniuses like you
i swear this is the best video i ever watch
YAY! more Wintergatan!
What is the name of the song you played? It sounds so nice!
11:48 Your galaxy has stars^^.
😇
visste inte att du var från sverige men det är häftigt och har börjat bli beroende av alla dina yt videos för dom e bra!!!!
Desde argentina. Sos un maestro admiro tu talento
Mhm time to show this to everyone I know as we all sit and smile, knowing none of us will ever have the patience to do this.
Ok what song is it at 2:30? It is beautiful, will you make a full version, just the sound of the music box? Where can i buy it? It touches my soul.
ruclips.net/video/ThYMEYtYC8o/видео.html
wintergatan.bandcamp.com/track/music-box-harp-hammered-dulcimer
@@DavidFrostbite do you know music box version ? at this video is short :(
Pretty sure it’s called All Was Well by the same guy in this video
I had an idea, something that shouldn't be too hard for you to implement. Let's say you wanted to vary the tempo automatically. You could put buttons on the box so that someone could adjust the tempo, but there's a better way.
If you have an LED and an optical sensor, you could teach an arduino to tell when there's paper between the two. (There's probably a mechano-electrical way to do this that works better, just FYI.) Then, you could punch holes in the margins of the paper, and use that sensor to detect certain patterns in the holes that you punch. you could easily have three speeds by just using two hole positions. 0_ could mean slow, 00 could mean medium, and _0 could mean fast. Then, whenever you want to change the tempo, you just slid a thin wooden jig on the side of the paper, line it up with where you want the timing to change, and then punch the proper holes as determined by the jig.
Hey, I had that same Idea. But if you'd use an arduino, why don't use binary encoding? Then you could easily get 8 different speeds by just using tree holes. And you could also use the other edge of the paper to control the volume and make a chrescendo for example.
But I don't know if that would really fit to the music box, because the point is having a mechanical device producing the sound. I think it would look better if you do it mechanically. Maybe a simple mechanical counter, then the speed is determined by how many consecutive holes there are. And the adjustment could be done by a belt that runs on two cones and is shifted to one side or the other. Unfortunately I'm not at home so i can't try it out by myself.
One problem with that that I have is that you need a configuration for "no change". Otherwise, he'll have to continuously punch holes for wherever the music is a certain tempo. I think it'd be best if he only had to punch holes where the tempo changes, and thus you can't use the ___ configuration, as there's no way to distinguish it from the rest of the program.
However, I was thinking of binary when I made this comment. So we are thinking along the same lines. Just, with what I was thinking, you could only use 2^n - 1 out of 2^n combos without continuous punching.
And then you could add registers like was used in the days of fairground organs where a non playing hole position changed the equivalent to stops in a manual organ
That is the most beautiful music box tune I’ve ever heard in my life. I can’t get enough of it. Did you make that tune up yourself? If so, wow! Absolutely exquisite.
It's called "Music Box, Harp & Hammered Dulcimer". The completed song can be found on Wintergatan's Bandcamp page.
Martin! I just premiered my first piece for music box on a concert - thank you for creating beautiful music with this instrument and for showing others how to do it! :)