Firearms Expert Reacts To Rainbow Six Siege’s Guns PART 3
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- Jonathan Ferguson, a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries, breaks down more of the weaponry of Rainbow Six: Siege, including the AK-74M, the P90 and .44 Mag Semi-Auto.
00:00 - Opening
00:44 - AK-74M
02:58 - .44 Mag Semi-Auto
04:38 - CSRX 300
06:34 - GSH-18
07:49 - P90
09:24 - 6P41
10:57 - M249 SAW
13:54 - SMG-12
15:21 - SPAS-12
17:22 - TCSG12
18:37 - Ending
In the latest video in the Firearm Expert Reacts series, Jonathan Ferguson--a weapons expert and Keeper of Firearms & Artillery at the Royal Armouries--breaks down more of the guns of Rainbow Six: Siege and compares them to their real-life counterparts.
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The P90 magazine in game appears to be wrapped in tape, I wonder if they did it to avoid having to animate the rounds through the semi-transparent plastic?
i think it's part of the skin, i don't think it's wrapped on the normal version
@@manuelschurig2266 it is, the tape is indeed for transparency issues
@@keatonwastaken A very cheeky move that I don't blame them for time constraints.
what if just slimppery magazime
@@asthmaticfish agree
The pistol staying level is a thing added to Siege after it went more competitive, the pistols used to bounce around a bit more but they later on changed it so the sights on guns don't bounce around and always shoot where it aims at.
That's when the game started losing it's realism....
@@jesterdewit478 Yeah, to be fair it never felt "realistic" but it always steered away from what it started as.
But hey, people enjoyed it and I am not one to judge personally, I played the game quite a bit from release and only stopped recently.
Almost all shooters put the bullet exactly at point of aim at all times
Wait hm. Thinking of the deagle from cod 4 , you can definitely fire it accurately while its aimed straight up
@@kingoftherevolution4855 he's talking about the pistol actually having some recoil instead of the camera just going slightly upward and even in older COD games that kind of recoil was visible
@@jesterdewit478 not really when it came to the old recoil. You are special forces operators and somehow you couldn’t control a 9mm pistol without it flying in the sky.
It made shooting pistols feels unfun and completely luck based - which is technically unrealistic since a Police Team would never want to rely on pure luck when shooting their guns.
2:17 I was surprised that Jonathan didn't mention how the primer doesn't have any markings of firing pin hitting the primer
and im pretty sure the charging handle is in front of the casing the whole thig look wack
I'm more surprised he didn't comment on the fact that she pulls the bolt back with just her pinky.
@@Lorentz_Driver Certanly doable but other than the rest of the hand being out of acction I don't realy see the point in doing it that way :)
@@JarlBSoD if you are unfamiliar with the game that character is missing her middle and ring fingers on that hand which is why she does that, though it would make more sense for her to use her still perfectly functional trigger finger to grab the handle
@@wolffang-vz2ty Think that was covered under the "Ubless the rest of the hand being out of acction" :) Would however make allot more sence to use the palm or somethign then, I even do that for funzies some times :)
We need Jonathan to revisit Hunt: Showdown, there are a bunch of new, historically accurate guns and different ammo types that he should take a look at
Agreed I’ve been waiting and hoping for a while
yes yes yes
I really want him to pick apart the Mosin since that's a complete disaster historically wise. Got features from a later model, wrong bolt, etc.
Also show him how they updated the reload animation for the Sparks.
@@thingthingsss could you fit a newer bolt in an older gun though?
8:16 the happiest I’ve seen Jonathan before delivering a punchline.
The P90 skin was a nod to Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell) before they added him as an operator and was only available if you also owned a certain Splinter Cell game on the same account.
17:26 I own an "AR-15" shotgun and I can safely say that the biggest reason you won't see serious adoption is reliability. Shells deform if left in the magazine too long, especially in the hot sun. Gun is very finicky about ammo choices as well, although powerful high velocity buck and slug are the most reliable. Even still, random failures to eject or feed are very common. Field stripping mine results in a bunch of tiny parts, and the last time I shot it, the charging handle ejected itself into a field covered with a foot of snow and was never seen again.
How do you charge it after the handle disappeared? Did you make a handmade charging handle or?
@@nepi7847 If it's AR-15 pattern, wouldn't it use the same charging handle as the AR-15 platform generally does? If that's the case, it probably wouldn't be too hard to source a replacement. But judging from the wording, they never got it repaired.
@@Senzorei right, we don't really know it looks, in my head i was picturing something like the one in game, where the charging handle is on the side like an AK would be, even though it's still an AR pattern shotgun
I feel like many developers could benefit from Jonathan's commentary from a gameplay perspective. Being able to use the Spas-12's pump action functionality for breaching rounds is a great idea. And his point about rappelling being too forgiving is also valid.
The game was more realistic years ago, but given that it's a competitive shooter it's better off the way it is now
If we didn't have the ability to shoot while repelling Attackers would basically be sitting ducks for anyone diving them. Which actually happens pretty often, and more often than not if they're repelling the defense gets the jump anyway. So it's totally fair from a balancing perspective.
In siege the visual recoil for pistols used to be significantly greater, but it made them almost impossible to use so they changed it in Operation Blood Orchid
IMO most of the pistols were mostly fine aside from the magnum pistols having horrendous visual recoil. The game's mechanics/META didn't help the pistols either.
Skill issue 🤣
one thing to note about the SPAS-12 is that Siege is one of the few games that got the reload right. You can't just shove shells into it like on a normal shotgun. Instead you have to hold down a button to unlock the loading port cover and THEN can you put in shells. The player character in siege does that, that's why it's held with the left hand near the loading port (where that button is) and loaded with the right hand.
It kind of shocked me that he didn't mention the character holding down the carrier latch as they reloaded the spas seeing as 90% of games fudge that part
The way the mag is inserted into that "AK74M" is really weird almost straight in without any rock and lock action, the primers on the casings seem pristine and the weird pinky bolt operation...
Weeooooo i know about guns i say mag and not clip weooo
The pinky thing is because the character that uses that gun is missing the middle and ring fingers on the right hand.
@@romanbabynyuk946 But the index finger is there, isn't it? Or just use the palm? Not having the middle and rign fingers doesn't really change much if you think about it, they just wanted to make a show of it.
I've noticed in Tarkov the player will often use the charging handle on AKs with their palm up, gripping it with the pinky. Is that a Russian training quirk? I've always used my index finger on my right hand to charge my AK.
She uses her pinky bc shes missing her middle and ring finger
One thing no one seems to talk about with the P90 and the PS90 is the height over bore regarding ergonomics. It's literally impossible to get a true cheek weld if using the passthrough sight rail and any optic... low profile rails or RMR are better, but it's still one of the two biggest ergonomic hiccups with an otherwise super comfortable and approachable gun.
The other being?
@@isaacmayer-splain8974 The god-awful charging handles. they can be replaced easily, but for a $2000 rile you shouldnt have to
I mean, given the increasing popularity of risers for mounting optics on ARs (to the point where people have joked we returned back to the carry handle height), a solid cheek weld is probably no longer necessary especially for close range, low recoil rounds like the P90. A jaw weld should be good enough and you also have a more natural and upright head position.
@@robertnewman4854 they were designed to fight aliens with snakes inside, ergonommics was not important.
6:50 yeah this gun is pretty rare even in russia...while some units officially did have them they are mostly given as ceremonial gifts to sf officers....the trigger on the GSH-18 is a straight pull kinda like a 1911 but just not good, the 18 is supposed to be the amount of bullets the mag holds but good luck fiting more that 13....if any of you are russian militarty aviation fans the GSH-18 was made by the guys making aviation guns like the GSH-23 (graziv & chiponov)....came out in the 90s as like the "russian glock" but its just not a good design after all
Thanks for the extra information. Very hard to find much about it that isn't just on paper stats. At least if you don't speak Russian. Which I sadly don't speak, had to give up learning it due to lack of time
@@adenkyramud5005 well if you need any info on a russian gun just ask 😆
@@majornikita1464 thats the same company that made the GSH-30-6 on the Mig-27 and the GSH-30-2 on the SU-25 as well right?
@@jaxastro3072 yup tho at the time its wasn't a company it was called design bureau (OKB) the naming goes OKB- (number) and the name/s of the head designer/s.......despite never building a firearm ever they tried their luck.....the GSH-18 was part of the "GRATCH 3" program in the 90s, the guns that came out of that were the SPS Gyurza in 9x21mm, the MP-443 and the OTs27 in 7.62x25/9x18/9x19....the winner was the MP-443.
“May or may not be a book on the subject.” lol I love Jonathan
I caught that to. I take it he wrote a book on bullpups?
Any chance for Receiver 1 & 2?
Entire series is based on showing how complicated guns actually are, so would love hearing the expert weight in!
Bad at mouse and keyboard shooters to begin with so ive only ever seen the glock and .44 in that game still but i love it
I'd also like to see this, I think Jonathan's reaction to the contents of some of the audio tapes especially in Receiver 2 would be interesting.
I second this, even if it's just receiver 2 it would be awesome
Seconding this, again. My only fear is that some of the genius of its game design will be lost in video format.
By that I mean, the game's control scheme kind of looks like a joke at first glance ("haha funny, simple thing with unusual controls", a-la QWOP) but it actually manages to pretty accurately emulate the way it feels to handle a very specialized and finicky mechanical instrument (like a gun) for the first time - You start off having to think every step through and needing to be extremely deliberate, but as you get used to it the procedures become second nature, and you learn to appreciate the sheer degree of control it gives you. It feels oddly satisfying and fittingly cool to do some sequence of inputs that seemed impossible at first (Like reloading the SAA, or clearing a double feed) basically on autopilot.
15:44 "..could fire when rotated to fire, not idea for a safety catch" delivered so dry made me burst out laughing.
Very good video. The comparison is really well done and easily understandable for non professionals. Also the fact that it's a video game is well taken into account. Too many people who do these comparison say "in reality it's way more powerful'' or "you're not that limited normally'' but forget a weapon needs to be balanced for the gaming experience to be fun
Really appreciate that
indeed its always nicer when you get professionals that understand whatever they are talking about in context
The bolt closing on that spas 12 gave me chills
I would love to see Jonathan react to the guns of Generation Zero... just to see how accurate they've gotten to depicting swedish guns (and swedish adaptations to US and other european guns) of the 1980's
Agreed! I love videos covering less commonly-seen small arms
I stopped playing Siege about a year ago when they did the whole UI/Control scheme redux and essentially ruined my custom key configuration, but I don't remember the ejection pattern on the AK74M being that awful looking.
This has been such a great series. Jonathan is just a legend at this point. He needs an OBE.
The Mind Games series looks really interesting too. Great work to everyone involved, keep it up
Dude, show him raw guns without attachment and skins.
"You'd need to have thumbs like a bat"
- Keeper of arms and artillery
Would love to see Jonathan react to something like war of rights or holdfast nations at war, or even assasins creed would be pretty interesting
He does alot of musket/blackpowder stuff on the royal armouries channel if you havent seen them already
Holdfast is a gift from god
ac 3 and 4 muskets and pistols would be cool to see on the channel
War of Rights: Jonathan reacts to people screaming the N word into the mic
@@zXPeterz14 i have seen those videos and i love them, i personally have a great interest in black powder firearms i'm even planning on buying an original napoleonic french musket, that's why i would love to see those games
A little disappointed, the 3rd RS6 video and still no sign of more obscure Japanese and Korean made firearms that only show up in very few games and seeing much more iconic firearms weve seen in many other videos. Hope to see the Type 89, Minibea and K1A in part 4.
Yup, this game has so many different guns yet it seems like they keep showcasing the classics too much. There's not much else to say about the P90 and SPAS-12 at this point.
i wouldn't get your hopes up on the japanese stuff. Gun export laws there are so strict even museums aren't legally allowed to purchase deactivated ex-military pieces. Unless you're a member of the japanese armed forces it's almost impossible to get your hands on any of their more up-to-date designs even to study it for academic purposes, so even a person like Jonathan likely has little to say about such things.
i know that sounds weird, but Japan takes their commitment to non-aggression ridiculously seriously.
he probably doesn't know much about them or has anything useful to say because he just doesn't have the guns, but i do hope im wrong in this case
@@petriew2018 This is exactly the problem. Jonathon isn't a magical encyclopedia of firearm knowledge, he knows what he's learned from hands on experience. He has probably had little to no experience with most Japanese firearms because, like newer Russian weapons, he simply has no way to get ahold of them.
However, unlike Russian ones, there isn't all that much information floating around on obscure Japanese guns. Japan is strictly non-interventionist and never exports anything. So the only way to learn about their domestically produced weapons is to A: get your hands on one (good luck), or B: find a Japanese person who speaks English, served in the JSDF, used the weapon, and will talk to you about it/post details about it online. So unless Jonathon has a friend who works as a JSDF armorer, he probably doesn't know too much about the fine details of their weapons. He could give us a few facts about the gun portrayed in the game, but wouldn't really know how accurate the portrayal is.
"That's just me being an increasingly grumpy old man" - As a smilar age as Jonathan, that line hits me in the feels :)
I'm kinda ashamed of Jonathan for not realizing the stuff on the P90 was a Splinter Cell reference XD
I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed 😂
I didn't get it either because it is bad. The three lights on Sam's goggles are green. Not everything around it. They made the gun green and have where there would be three green dots some gray holes instead. It doesn't make sense.
I love how the PKP Pecheneg in the closed captions was called the “Passion Egg” and now I’m going to be exclusively referring to it as such.
I would love to see Jonathan breaking down the various civilian(ish) sidearms in Receiver 2. You can operate a LOT of functions in that game.
Always a pleasure to listen to Jonathan speak about guns! Hope for a STALKER series breakdown some day :)
7:04 Somebody’s gotta tell him about that rework Ubisoft did a couple years ago- Across the board the pistols saw a major decrease in muzzle rise
would love to see jonathan react to some of the CODM guns, the gunsmith gets pretty wild in there
I'd love to see Johnathan react to the new MW2 once it comes out in October. The gunsmith is very detailed and there was alot more care put into the weapons than Vanguard
Cant wait for his reaction of the M4 and P90 crossover weapon.
@@PitbullMonster2 It's a real thing, he probably knows about it.
"more care put into the weapons than Vanguard"
Payday's snubnosed .50 caliber rifle is less cursed than Vanguard's guns, that isn't hard.
@@insomniagobrrr5542 fair point but the level of detail put in the weaponry is still impressive
@@wyd_marco4107 fair... But how high were the devs when they made the weapons?
Possibly my favourite weapon/gaming based series on RUclips outside of full time streamers
I love the practical take he has on all these firearms, I love it. He should really do ULTRAKILL's weapons some time!
Would love to see a Killzone video as you guys already did Halo and it features some interesting takes on modern weapons.
Oh yeah!! Killzone would be awesome!
Killzone and Wolfenstein please!!!! Been asking for 3 months now 😂
@@afd19850 I have probably been asking for Killzone for a year now. 🤣
@@RevanAlaire Lets keep going then 😂
Man, now I wish Blacklight Retribution was still around on the PC so we could get gun reviews for that
Saw you on TV talking about King Henry the 8ths incredibly advanced muskets!
Look forward to these every weekend
I seriously love these videos, thanks Jonathan
I can honestly say that sometimes flicking the gun like they do with the TCSG is useful for when you have those mags that just dont want to slide free of the mag well i had a few and the little extra movement gave it enough to fly out
Surprised he didn't comment on the magazine well of the M249 being a backup tool and not meant for regular use; it chews up magazine feed lips and the cyclic rate of the bolt causes malfunctions due to the mag spring not being able to keep up. I'm also surprised he didn't comment that the game does something very few of in regards to the SPAS-12; you actually press the bolt release while loading the gun, which is required to operate the loading lever.
I love how he mentioned the skins (on the P90 and the 6P41).
The new MW2 is going to be a super episode.
The man, the myth, Jonathan Ferguson keeping the Gamespot channel alive!
THANK YOU I ASKED FOR THIS A FEW TIMES ❤❤
Really nice to see you back to talk about siege's guns Jonny
The spas 12 comments were gold. His face at the end talking about breaching rounds was priceless. I feel your pain Gun Guy.
"You would need thumbs like a bat"
Anyone who knows that a bat's wing membrane is stretched alongside an elongated finger/toe understood the analogy. :P
I've been to Leeds and the amount of firearms displayed in the museum is absurd. Beautiful city too!
this is like the only reason im subbed to this channel, Jonathan is the best
I'd love a review of the guns from the original Perfect Dark on the N64, it's got some absolutely wild reloads like the Cyclone, weird designs like the Laptop Gun, mixed with some relatively normal modern guns for context.
Id be interested in seeing them review the handguns of receiver 2, as it has a large focus on the firearm mechanics and such. (E.g. having a key to rack the slide, a seperate key to drop the magazine, a seperate key to holster the weapon, load bullets into the magazine, tap the magazine, etc.) And you have to address problems and jams accordingly using these complex mechanics.
Man Jonothan going to have a field day with MW2 and WZ2.....gunsmith 2.0 looks wild
He really nailed my issues with Siege. No recoil. It's like playing paintball. Then random guns like the SMG12 have the recoil that SAW should have had.
He's gonna have a field day on MWII
With the shell ejection on the ak, the shells seem to be rotating counter-clockwise where as the real ejector would spin them clockwise afaik.
Love the databank Casio watch Jonathan wears
Love Johnathan because he shows us if the weapons have a real world counter part and some history
AR pattern shotguns are generally referred to as an "AR-12". Not entirely uncommon in the US civilian market
16:51. What a beautiful sound it is.
I'm not sure if you folks are still doing the whole Loadout series, but I would like a more in depth video of the bullpup family of firearms. I have shot a P90 along with a couple of different shotguns in a similar style in the past, and it's got my mind wondering as to who originally made the first weapon that coined the term bullpup and design basis. Some people who are getting into firearms may want this video as well for educational purposes.
15:30 - alright, here's a Jurassic Park reference for you, Mr. Ferguson - in the movie, when the phones get reactivated, Grant, Sattler and the kids get attacked by a raptor soon after, and you hear the SPAS go off three, maybe four times. The next scene is of the shotgun lying discarded as everyone heads off into the rafters to escape.
But why did Grant drop the gun? Well, if you look closely at the scene with the dropped shotgun, there's a shell stuck in the ejection port. Grant, presumably not knowing how to use the semi action, worked the pump, but short-shucked the gun and, being a paleontologist, didn't realize what he did - so, not knowing what to do, he dropped the gun. It's an incredibly small detail, but very nice to notice.
Mind-blowing detail
Ar platform 12 gauges are really common here in the states, I got one in my closet and know a hand full of people that have them as well. Issue with them is they tend not to cycle without hotter rounds, ie 1450+ fps slugs. Mine hates anything less. Though I found storing it unloaded with the bolt locked open helped slightly with the issue
"It goes to 11"... all I needed to hear to know, this man has exquisite tastes 👌
Happy to see that Wolfenstein is an upcoming video
A1 content as always. I cannot WAIT for the MW2022 weapon evaluation because I've seen some stuff on there that I don't quite understand already.
The sound of the spas-12 cycling was insane. Jonathan please hit the bolt release on the one time for us.
I love this series
"This one goes up to eleven"
Gosh you gotta love Jonathan ❤
The comment about the SPAS-12 idea for gameplay is brilliant. Picture a more grounded type Siege/Swat-type game where the one characters ability is the SPAS-12. One button switch so you have breaching rounds on pump function, and then again semiauto for people. It sounds great!
Unless you can mix load the tube that's going to be awkward at best.
Since against standard lvl 3 or 4 body armor breeching rounds are going to struggle.
Johnathon in top form, firing off his subtle witty zingers like nobody’s business 😂
I could listen to this guy for hours, he IS the best content on RUclips, by a fair margin.
The way the SPAS12 is reloaded might seem overly theatric but it's actually one of the only games to get it correct; one of the shortcomings of the gun was that you'd have to hold the button on the lower edge of the receiver to unlock the loading gate, so holding it like that is more or less the only way to do it. Most games just have you feed the gun with your offhand as if nothing was in the way.
One of the things i noticed on the first gun: intact primers on empty casings.
Love for you guys to take a look at Rainbow 6 Vegas and Vegas 2s weapons, older versions of the SA80, or the MP5N, for example
finally a part 3
19:11 I think you mention it in another video, but the magazine is obscured by tape. It looks like it's been "field fixed", but this adds to obscure the feeding action of the bullets. That way they don't have to animate the inside of the magazine.
Today there is actually a recent addition to the gun world that would resemble the tcsg is the genesis arms Gen12 pretty cool shotgun
Itd be fun to see Jonathan have a look at Ground Branch, its a tactical shooter in a similar vein to Ready or Not or the older Rainbow Six games. Early in development but its pretty fun!
Hey Jonathan! I own a Charles Daly AR-12S which is a semi-auto AR platform 12 gauge shotgun. And yes, it's just a chunky AR-15. The appearance, ergonomics, controls, and manual of arms are the same as an AR-15 except that field stripping and bolt manipulation are completely different animals because of the internal build. But it's a great gun for getting things done, especially with a red dot and light on it. Look one up!
2:17 Lol, the brass cartridges even clip into each other
13:36 what a creative way to clutch :DD
16:50 God that sound is so satisfying.
Honestly get him to do mw2 beta just because of how cool the new gunsmith is
GSh-18 is renown in Russia for using special anti-armor bullets, like AS-VAL does. SP11 and SP12. Same bullets are used by SR-2M. This pistol is designated for usage vs armored targets and can break trough 3-rd level armor, which stopes AK-47 7.62 round.
Can’t wait for the guns from MW2 video already
Fun fact: Nomads AK74M is actually a WASR-40, a Romanian clone (it says that above the magwell, surprised Jonathan didnt mention that)
Spent a trip from the US to the UK and visited Royal Armories! They didn’t disappoint
The ghs 18 I believe has a rotating barrel for locking up. If I remember it was so it could use 7n31 rounds.
Would love to see his reaction to the guns of Gears of War
looks like someone put out cigars on the stock. I can't unsee it now. That is surprisingly accurate depiction.
i assume jon doesn't play games, its awesome how much understanding he has for the compromises developers make for sake of balance when talking about the recoil on that smg.
"there may or may not be a book on the subject"
oooo smooth low key plug
17:00 I seem to remember 007:Nightfire having a pump-action option of the SPAS-12 (not for breaching though)
Gotta do the svu. Interested to hear Jonathan’s take.
That's a funky watch on Johnny, who stores and looks after a vast array of boomsticks for the King. I wonder if that's a calculator or a phonebook? In anycase, very fitting.
Love how he tries to tie it back to siege and the potential reasons why the devs might've excluded something other than chalking it up to a missed detail like the tube on the saw being thicker than usual or the spas potentially functioning in game as a breaching tool given the nature of siege...
I love the way Jonathan says "ah FN Minimi", then horses up an FN Minimi. Brilliant
Even Adam Wests Batman would be envious of that wall climbing
I would love to see a look into metal gear solid iv and it’s weapons customization system+ Snake’s operation of the weapons themselves.