Rgink about it like civil duty...sweet is a community leader at the hesrt of it. The point was, sweet didn't want to see his neighborhood/ community become another drugged out zombies..like the rest of thr city, which is why he wanted to stay in the Grove...
I am getting the impression that what inspired the story of GTA SA was individuals who had been in L.A gangs during the late 80's and early 90's being interviewed and confessing to the fact that they had never travelled outside of the 10 square blocks they grew up in. Even more rare was any of them having seen the pacific ocean.
The worst change is the fact the whole south LA area is shrunk down to basically just grove st and the streets around it. In san andreas half the los santos map was based on south & east LA. In gta 5 its damn near not existant. Which is wack to me.
I mean you cant really expect much it was ps3 game.Also I kinda agree they could make the city side a bit more bigger.They made the countryside too big.
@@contra7631 nawwl fam if a ps2 game could give me the whole hood plus the rest of LA plus the country...plus san fransisco and Vegas with an entire desert and a 2nd countryside that includes a whole mountain.....than a ps3 game should have been able to handle it ijs 🤣😔 (the amount of people misunderstanding what i said here in this response and telling me "you dont understand the tech" is driving me crazy. I very much understand the tech. You don't know how to read & comprehend is the problem)
@@NoMercyFederation1 Thats because you dont know how tech works.Games like Gta has higher resolution.Higher resolution+texture=bigger game size.Ps2 games were very lower textures+resolution so the game size wasnt much higher so they could easily cram alot things into their game and make the world bigger.
@@contra7631 but according to the internet the gta 5 los santos map is bigger than the entire san andreas map with all 3 cities and country sides. I still think they could have handled south & east LA being the size they were in San andreas and even if it was at the cost of some of that useless oversized country area. (P.s. i'm a videographer & editor i understand this stuff perfectly fine. I just don't agree that it was due to limitations but more to bad decision making. Like we both said, the country side was bigger than it needed to be)
My thoughts. CJ had all the other ventures. He left them behind. Sweet got shot by a balla and the rival gang took over the grove. With the members who didn’t want to drop their flags having an open position as a head you started seeming more sets show up (around 1999 after sweet was shot and CJ keeping up with the casino partnership and maddogg’s career.) thus you have families dealin and striving for dominance
@@X-Gaming2003 Man cj only helped sweet take back the grove gang at that time because HIS brother wanted him to, Cj was a REAL buster, he was raised different than sweet, he had more ideas and more life to complete, plus he already got his dream at the end, he had alot of money and even owned 50/50 of the most popular casino in las ventura
What I think what happened: since the houses look different on grove street in GTA V than San Andreas, I think a neighborhood injunction probably happened on grove street somewhere in between the years of 1993-2004. For anyone who doesn’t know what a neighborhood injunction is, it’s a strategy used by the city/property owners to drive out any criminal activity in said neighborhood, SWAT Teams and ATF will come through and kick doors down strip search people/homes and put red tags on doors aka “VACATE THE PREMISES” notices, after grove street was abandoned they tore majority of the houses down and built new ones over, the same thing happened in a neighborhood that I live in right now, at some point in 2004-2010 the Ballas must have moved in after the injunction and claimed the territory, makes sense on why CJ’s Mom’s house isn’t there anymore.
I think CJ left the gang life because he got older and realized gang isn’t worth it and left with his sister and I think Caesar left the gang life too and moved to San fierro. And CJ as you notice CJ owns his own toothpaste he probably left and began making new things and making new companies.
I remember when gta 5 came out and when I played it for the first time the first thing I did was I went to grove street expecting the families to be posted up there, but then when I seen the ballas posted up on grove street I was like wtf 😂
Ona guys i think they like the ballas more nbs they get to the money be fresh and on gta online u can get ballas t shirts and polos and a knuckle buster but nothing for the families idk whats to em
Or... Grove Street basically grew out of gang life. With CJ, and his multiple businesses, they probably left their turf. And a power vacuum was created in which the Ballast quickly filled. Thoughts?
@@LScentralif you grow up in da hood, you dont wanna stay there if you can. sometimes moving down the street better, even if it's just a block over. they still a part of gang culture but they leveled up alil.
One time I got dialogue in the hood as Franklin a guy in a green helmet with a green shirt said yo you heard og Johnson bought the casino up near vinewood and the other guys said” yea yea yea”
The real reason why Grove Street Families lost their turf to the Ballas was because they tore down the Ganton Courts housing projects. Just like in LA, many gangs that control housing projects majority members live or hang out in the projects then in the actual surrounding hood. With GSF you mostly had 2 clicks the PJs and the Grove Street click. I can tell most members lived in the projects. Fast forward 2013 from Ganton to Davis those projects are gone. The only active GSF were the ones on Grove Street. It make sense the Ballas kept dropping the last remaining members til they finally took over Grove Street. Just to let you know ain't no way in hell CJ took over the whole city, this ain't no corny Saints Row. If it was like that there wouldn't be any Ballas and Vagos in 2013. In GTA SA the only way to play the last mission of the game you only need to take a certain percent back. I still don't understand how Rockstar only added 1 housing project in GTA V. In GTA SA they had 7 housing projects.
That’s some interesting history. There was a forum that tracked Chicago gang member’s social medias for funny drama, and it’s crazy how quickly they died and were replaced. If you’re actively pushing, and not treating it like the Boy Scouts. I don’t think anyone survives with their freedom.
@@blase9624 bro do you really think some broke gang members can afford living in San Fierro or Las Venturas. Only one that has that is CJ. The GSF most likely got ran out of Davis.
@@AYVYN yeah exactly well we already know why Chicago is wild. They tore down the Cabrini Green and the other highrise projects out there now you have gang members from those projects spreading there gangs in other neighborhoods.
The housing projects in gta V is the same ones that was in idlewood the one we beat da ballas up in with ryder? Grove once owned the pjs before the hood got weak so they just moved back in once grove st was over wit and they rebuilt em
@@southsidecompton9668nah cus then davis gang wouldnt be a thing it still was small houses across from the pjs and down the rest of grove the remaining memebers started they own faction which eventually turned into davis gang
Don't forget the fact that 3D and HD universe are completely different in some aspects. Usually events that happen prior and after the game do go across the universes (example of that being the pollution leak of 1988 and an oil tanker accident that happened somewhere around 2001, which causes water around LC to look oily and in the beginning, dangerous to swim in, which can later be observed in HD universe, where the water still looks really polluted and oily). However, events that happen directly through gameplay usually do not go across the universes. If Grove Street indeed did take over the entire LS, there would never be competition anymore. In HD universe, CJ most likely doesn't even exist, and even if he does, he would probably have a very minor influence, existing only as a, say, a face for advertisement or name on a book, or something like that. So we can also assume that in upcoming GTA 6, Tommy Vercetti and his big operation would have never happened, but that doesn't mean Vice City doesn't have problems with sharks and hurricanes, so bridges being closed at some point, and you needing to find alternative ways might very well be a thing.
Dude you are so wrong.Hd are 3D are connected.They mention about grove street gang.And also you have ballas and etc. other gangs from gta sa.So why they would add those gangs if they never existed in the first place and also mention the old gang.Its just we dont know what happened to them.But I am sure Cj is there somewhere else with his families.He just moved on at some point and it makes sense.
@@contra7631do a google search before making things up 3D and HD are not connected grove street may exist in both gta but there’s no cj sweet ryder nor big smoke in HD universe even tommy in upcoming gta 6 your clearly clueless.
GSF ogs died out. CJ couldn’t care less about gang bangin, and that’s is crystal clear in SA ending. He had better things going on. Sweet probably ended up like Emmet did, at least in terms of mentality. He was a solo survivor and stood for something that wasn’t there anymore. If you look carefully, Emmet is the perfect parallel to Sweet. He was an old school Families member in a hood that wasn’t anymore Orange Families for a very long time. But Sweet had CJ and probably was taken along by his brother lifestyle in the end. GSF new generation of gangsters had no links to the families at all. These younger guys probably tried to emulate CJ rags to riches by dealing dope and somehow that ended with a Ballas set in Grove Street.
@@Otto500206 i know it doesn’t but there are parallels. During a conversation with Franklin, Lamar says the original leaders of GS families got rich and left the scene. Besides the separation between HD and 3D universe its not that strict since some 3D characters actually exist in HD.
Many characters of GTA canon exist in both the 3D and HD universes so it's logical that there is a version of CJ somewhere and they heavily imply the events of San Andreas occurred with references to the 90s. CJ made it big at the end of SA and so he likely convinced Sweet to leave that life behind and go legit. They left GSF to those who didn't have the same vision and so the gang declined over time. Kendl likely moved to San Fierro with Cesar and he left the Aztecas behind.
@@OlliWitta3_well by the end of SA, CJ owns multiple businesses including the San Fierro chop shop and having 1/3 of share in the Dragons casino, also he's Madd Dogg's manager.
@@The_Acolyte yup I'ma firm believer that the universes are all cohesive. Rockstar may have just been trolling when they said they weren't connected. Literally every game connects. Even how Michael talks about Niko in one mission. And Johnny literally is in the game lol.
I reckon CJ's still going as a businessman working with Woozy, Madd Dogg, Cesar & Kendl. You can tell his mind was made up about leaving the hood behind when he picked Sweet up from prison. He tried to get Sweet to come along with it, but Sweet was having none of it so he tried to rebuild the hood to try and win Sweet over. After the end of the story, with all his enemies out of the picture, CJ decided he wanted a fresh start and to take full advantage of the business connections he'd made. You can tell at the end when he says he's going to take a walk around the block. He likely decided during that walk, he wanted to put him and his business interests above the hood and being a gangbanger. He'd have likely moved away and out of Grove Street if not LS entirely. Over time, Sweet would have likely gotten more annoyed that CJ was putting his business interests above that of the hood as well as constantly being away from it. He'd also likely still be mad at Kendl for going out with someone who wasn't from Grove St gang. CJ & Kendl would have likely made numerous attempts to get Sweet on board but Sweet would have refused as he's incapable of seeing that there's more to the world than Grove Street and the gang. This would eventually lead to CJ & Kendl cutting ties with Sweet or at the very least distancing themselves from him so they don't get drawn in to the gang violence again. Judging by the fact that Grove Street is Ballas controlled by 2013, Sweet is either dead or incarcerated due to being unable to see a life beyond being a gangbanger. So the gang would have had no leadership which would have meant the remaining homies would have fled, died or moved over to the Ballas. CJ would have no interest in intervening at this point as he no longer wants to risk his life when he has better options with his business connections & no real ties to Grove St anymore. All the others will have all just moved on with their lives, capitalising on the business connections made in the SA story.
@Theaggressivesalad This makes a lot of sense and is canon for me from now on. In GTA V it is also noticeable that, even if the Ballas and Vagos are more "predominant" in the LS scenario, their actual presence in the town is pretty scarce. This element could very well fit in with the theory that, around the 2000's, most of the gang members and leaders were arrested by the police (probably Sweet was one of them), that's why you find gang members in fewer locations than you did in SA.
Makes perfect sense. That's why I hate Sweet. He gives CJ alot of flak even when he did alot to get him out of prison and kept Kendl safe the whole time while also managing a lot of businesses. Sweet is too narrow minded and annoying
@@srinathparimi33 that's why I hate Sweet the most out of all the main characters. Carl's done so much for him to set him up and get him out of prison and he just throws it straight back in his face when he gets picked up from jail!
When Lamar and Franklin talk about the OG Grove Street they say their probably dead or becoming CEO, i like to think that Sweet indeed is dead defending Grove Street from the Ballas which has regain power from underground drug trafficking across Los Santos while CJ still living as multibillionaire CEO managing music label, fashion brand (billboard in GTA IV), lifestyle brand (like the CJ's Toothpaste) and his other business, probably living in Las Venturas, Vinewood or Liberty City. Other Families member either betray Sweet and joining Ballas when they take control, died defending Grove Street with Sweet, or survive the gang war and try to rebuild The Families forming sets like CGF, CAF, and DNF
I think that sweet got killed and CJ Kendal and Cesar move out of the hood if you remember, CJ didn’t want anything to do with the gang life anymore, sweet was probably killed
If we think about the fact that this whole gang story about gsf vs ballas is based on the crips vs bloods i think it went something like this, after cj takes over LS, cj becomes a celebrity and a bilionaire once some years passes and the 2000s came, most of the OG's moved out of the sets and most of them went to vinewood or better areas in LS, at this point grove street got abbandoned by the gsf and the remaining ballas took over the turf, to the other hand the remaining grove street families (and all them other sets) once their leader (sweet) was gone re established the families and took a new turf, i believe this because Gerald didn't wanted a war between the ballas and the feds, there's a reason why the feds doesn't want that the families and the ballas goes to war again, they don't want this to be repeated again as it did in 1992 in gta san andreas
CJ takes over los santos, gets into the most dangerous military area and steals their top secrets, robs banks, becomes a trillionaire, fights an army alone, and people call him a coward. Sweet has never helped him, only kept failing his missions.
I like to think all the events in the 3D universe took place in the HD as well, the only difference really being the names of certain things. Onto my actual theory for the fall of the Grove Street Families. Some time after the events of GTA SA, CJ and Sweet both started to have more responsibility. The Ballas perform a drive by on Sweets house injuring him, infront of his kids. CJ would visit Sweet at the hospital only to see Sweet's Girlfriend and Children both looked distraught with tears in their eyes. CJ would ask them step out of the room so he could be with his brother he would say "Sweet, I understand you said you would die in the hood, but you got kids now do you really want this kind of life for them?" Sweet would reply "I don't know anymore, I want to see my kids grow but if I continue on like this, it ain't gonna happen. But it goes against my principle." CJ would interject "What happened to your principle against Drugs man, the whole neighborhood is full of baseheads, if we keep this up where are our kids gonna be if this is the environment they grow up in?" Sweet replied "I know, but this is our home man, it always will be so I don't want to give it up" CJ then said "Man, look your kids deserve better they could have better. Live a quiet life its time we hang this gangbangin shit up" Sweet would reply "CJ you're right, where will we go though?" CJ said "Somewhere we ain't gonna be walking around with a target on our backs, maybe move east get out of San Andreas or move out into the country outside of San Fiero so we'll be close to our sister." I think at some point CJ was able to convince Sweet to give up the gang life, without much leadership the Families would split up into new sets, forming the sets we know in GTA 5, the other gangs who were weaker would have reformed and like vultures start pecking at the remains of the Grove Street Claims in Los Santos. Sweet and CJ would have moved, Maybe into a gated community as they could afford it with CJ having several Legit businesses in the State of San Andreas and a stake in a Casino.
Disappointing the house isn't even there and enterable. Is the street even Grove Street? It's like Rockstar hate the old games and characters that made them.
I think the reason why there isn't any gang wars in gta 5 is because of lore reasons and not lazy programming. Since it was mentioned before in the early missions involving Franklin and lamar (the mission where they kidnap some baller) it was stated that they didn't have beef with families Stretch after the giant shootout in the warehouse even said that they could be at risk of an entire gang war because of Franklin's and Lamar's failed kidnapping and the shootout they just got out of
The drugs were probably the biggest reasons the families lost to the ballas a lot of the families probably realized drug dealing was where the money was at
They do but we still know the gang was pushed out of grove St. And seeing how stretch acts and treats Lamar and Franklin it's not too hard to figure. The gang broke up from not being able to get many younger members due to hierarchical nature the older members enforced. Forcing cuts from every deal to everyone in a higher position in the gang, no wonder the gang lost so many members. Example being stretch demanding Franklin pay him his cuts on deals Franklin did independently.
Basically Rockstar was lazy didn't want to have to remake all of GTA SA and basically sat us down and was like son have I ever told you about alternate reality theory
It’s actually rather simple, at the end of the game in GTA San Andreas, it brings back turf wars and the Ballas are in control of Grove Street because CJ has been MIA the whole time. You can optionally take it back, but this is not canon, in canon he stuck to his businesses elsewhere like the casino in Las Venturas, so the Ballas have retained control of Grove Street all this time.
I always thought it was mainly because CJ was trying to get out of the hood which was why he got into the casino business and when Sweet got out of prison CJ basically abandoned the Hoods and wanted to take Sweet back to his mansion but sweet didn’t want to leave the Hood and wanted to be taken back to grove street.
@@gotyoutriggered.8644 Well she's the hoodrat girl and one date she liked outside of eating was drivebys. She got killed by the Ballas. I should've known since she's your first g/f and you meet her during a main quest. All the sidequest which dating is, gives you an advantage. Like the sheriff chick you date, once you're going steady; you keep all your guns when you're arrested. And I think you can call her to get rid of one or two stars.
I know they use the whole different universe thing to kinda erase the past. But I still like to think alot are still connected. In GTA SA when the LS riots are going you have to take a certain amount of territory so I try to recreate the GTA 5 hoods the best I can. Everything south and west of the train tracks goes to the families which sets up the GTA 5 lines pretty well. And all this happened because CJ was loyal to his brother but after big smokes betrayal CJ wanted nothing to do with the hood life because he made a life outside of the hood which he struggled to do for his whole life. So after tenpenny death CJ continued his life. He would still be there for his brother but because money an power is key to the gang life sweets days as a leader we're always going to be numbered. So he ether got killed or arrested. And with both gangs being decimated from the bloodshed of GTA SA I can't imagine whole lot of territory has changed since then besides Grove Street which lost it leader. I think every hood has there own group of leader the build up all the gangs in the city. The ones that refuse to change got weakened like Grove Street while the rest adapted and survived like the rest of the family in GTA 5 and with the death of tenpenny the corruption that allowed the gangs to run the way they did was eliminated so any gang wars quickly attracted the heat of the LSPD so gang war became bad for business so most of the gangs stop fighting an just managed there own territory focused on money then killing. In my playthrough it don't make much sense for the families to attack the vargos because there immediate relations on mostly Netrual sweet I don't think even recognize the vargos in GTA SA so I leave the Vargos alone an just focus on the ballas when the story make sense for it to take territory. But with out CJ and sweet the days of keeping the good clean was only going last so long. But that how I play San Andreas an shape it to lead up to GTAV.
In the start of GTA Online LSV is the largest gang. They control Rancho, Cypress Flats, El Burro Heights, Vespucci Beach, and an airport in Grapeseed. It make sense what you said not taking over there territory in GTA SA.
I heard its because of the hidden spindlelint script that everyone has seen yet only few know about. It's truly a genius thing they did over at Rockstar adding that it leads you to the Goblet of Queefing.
The Families, The Aztecas, The Vagos, and The Ballas got too old to fight each other. Many of them died or got jailed. After CJ drive out the Vagos and Ballas, the two remaining gangs just broke up after recruiting dried up and “the kids” grew up and got too old for gang life.
Read somewhere that Tony Cipriani killed CJ, following orders from Salvatore Leone, and Sweet tried to maintain the family for a while but eventually died or retired, since he had the money, while Kendl and Cesar moved to San Fierro in definitive after the car business took off. The families separated by regions and the Ballas, as a power move, decided to dominate the Groove Street as a matter of honor.
One day I was goofing around in Los Santos in GTA SA, I parked my car for awhile then suddenly the Long Sleeve wearing Gang member of GS said this "Man, I want a real job". I was shocked and it made me think that that's gotta be one of the reasons why Ballas took over the GS territory.
theory: in this universe Sweet was killed in the green sabre drive by instead of his mom and CJ has no idea about it ryder joined big smoke and the grove street was taken over by ballas
This video would be true if not for the rest of Gta san andreas. CJ went from coward to OG. He cleaned Grove ST, had a lot of support, and took over LS by the end. Rockstar just went lazy on gang lore.
"The rest of San Andreas" doesn't happen in the HD games, they're explicitly an alternate universe. The closest we get is that GTA3 is a movie in the HD universe, and Niko can see a trailer for it on TV in GTA4.
@@hayato1886 Madd Dogg and Love Fist are celebrities, hence they are treated more like Brands within the division of Universes(ala Sprunk) than as characters, and while yes themselves as a brand do still exist we have yet to see any celebrities physically in the HD Universe that we had physical character models for in the 3D Universe, Willy for instance despite being a member of Love Fist never actually had a character model, only having spoken lines during "Publicity Tour"(why he doesn't at least have a cutscene model in VC?....honestly I have no clue). Fun fact, Willy not having a character model is why he's missing from a billboard in SA because it uses the VC character models as a base.
Simple, 1. Different Universe 2. GSF in 3D also different with GSF in HD. 3D still there but in HD like Franklin said, It's legendary set but already defeated or whatever. 3. With this logic, character, Vehicles and Map from 2D universe must appear and used for 3d Universe.
Different Universe = Rockstar lie. You must be believing that Rockstar games are saints and never lie. GSF in 3D is still the same here. Map off the three cities in GTA 1 is basically a smaller image of their 3D appearance. And as for vehicles, many 3D era vehicles have influenced from GTA 1 and 2. Speaking for characters, not a single character from GTA 1 appears in GTA 2, even though they are said to be in the same timeline. The Hare Krishna from GTA 1 do appear in GTA 2, but in GTA 3, the Zaibatsu Corporation from GTA 2 are mentioned. This universes thing didn't exist when GTA 3 came out. It came out in 2008 at the time of GTA 4, only to be proven as an excuse two years later.
See, Your comment sounds Quack Quack and Quack like Duck in my eyes. If all universe are one, then where tf previous Gang in 2D or 3D in Hd, why some city is Different between 2D, 3D, and HD, why major Lore get changed like Liberty City was etabilished in 1603, 1798 and 1625 for each universes, OG Loc's Career is Screwed up in 3D but in HD, he's Famous plus get Vinewood Hall of Fame or Is L.S Riot in GTA San Andreas related with L.S Riot version of GTA 5. Like i said, 3D are same With HD is stupid thinking. Remember don't trust Thinking About 3D are same with HD plus research first, If you do, i should say 2D universe must Same Universe with 3D. That's how be fair. Last, Well It's Rockstar. i've just comment too long with Research first than comment without strong evidence.
@@mrpoetoe3609 Your comment sounds like an oversmart kid trying to be genius to me. I would have punched you in your face if you were there in front of me. GTA 5 has gangs of GTA San Andreas, and while GTA 4 removed all GTA 3 gangs (except LC Triads and Yardies), there are alternate explanations for why they disappeared rather than your different universes. Thinking they 3D and HD are same isn't stupid thinking, your ignorance is stupid. As for 2D and 3D being same, well, it was actually the same before GTA 4, it's not that they created GTA 3 and randomly thought of different universes, they really kept 2D and 3D GTAs connected initially,and it is also possible that they changed their mind about the universes thing later on, but they won't publically say it, else people will demand characters like Tommy and CJ to return, and their conflict with VAs is the biggest reason why they invented the universes thing in the first place, and that too, as an excuse.
3d universe and HD universe are two separate universes with different decisive events happening for each establishment, organization and/or gang. the Johnson family might as well wouldn't have existed in HD universe. Or maybe they did, but one thing is for sure that the events of GTA San Andreas or generally 3d universe (including events of GTA 3 in LC and GTA VC in VC) are drastically different. I don't know why many people choose to just ignore this fact and make absurd theories about it
Nonsense. There are many evidences that they are canon. Rockstar games tried this separate universe crap for gta 4,but in gta 5 they they connected them again
@@samedison5559 GTA 5 and 4 are both HD universe. None of the events in GTA5/Online has any clue to confirm any of the events from 3/SA/LCS/VC to be canon.
@@spagoot9991 there is a wonderful video wich shows that some events of sa are mentioned in gta online. Video games aren't religion, it's possible that they change their mind about the universe thing
@@samedison5559The biggest evidence for what you said is the fact that Rockstar games haven't even talked about this separate universe bs in many years.
There are dialogues in a mission in which franklin and lamar talks about og leaders of the families became CEO's and left the hoods, maybe implying to CJ as he always wanted to leave gangsta life and obviously owned casino, car dealership and an abandoned airstrip
Thay couldnt finish san andreas as thay wanted couse some voice actors and major actors where not paid enough so thay left project. Maybe in future but for now we have to stick with it. Also maybe in gta 6 we will se some come backs from gta 5 or gta san andreas. Thay did same for gta 5 for online player maker.
I think Denise from gta 5 is Denise from gta San Andreas tbh 1) think about it she was young in 1992 and now she could’ve possibly got older. 2) both Denise’s live in families territory. 3) Denise from Sa promoted gang violence nd Franklin Denise Also promoted it in the mission hood safari and was telling Franklin he needa support his homies more
That's what people keep forgetting about the og San Andreas...that's why I tell people it's not the same location...the alley next to cj house led to the street you're talking about...on this game it's a river😂
How are they different universes when franklin and lamar had a full conversation in gta5 about the old grove street gang and how grove street use to be families territory.
at the end of the line, CJ said ''we gotta stay on top of our game'' which can have double meanings, either he meant that for grove street, which is unlikely, or he meant for his assets that he built up until the end, things such as the garage in doherty, zero's RC shop, stake in woozie's casino, and other stuff from the gta that was completed in 100% regarding grove street, i think sweet got whacked somewhere between 1992-2013, and there was nothing that could keep CJ in grove street anymore, so kendl convinced cj to leave the hood just like how she convinced him to ''let that grove for life bs go'' while she was with cj in san fierro, but as soon as sweet had returned, cj was immediatly dragged back into hood. CJ said in the beginning intro to joey that his brother (sweet) used to make his life miserable, meaning that sweet did everything in his power to make CJ into a gangster and keep him pinned in the hood, so it wont surprise anyone that CJ would abandon grove street at first opportunity. judging by the pre 1992 events in san andreas, the only thing that made CJ stay is his deceased little brother, brian johnson, once he was gone. in his mind there was nothing left in the hood, so he ran away, because brian and carl look very alike, and were really close together, so naturally when you lose someone very close to you, it hits the hardest. i dont think CJ was close to sweet at all judging how CJ said that sweet made his life miserable, and judging by the storyline missions, sweet always gives CJ a hard time about everything, and always blames him for everything. imagine how different the game would be if CJ wasnt blamed by sweet, or if brian didnt get whacked. grove street could very well still be under GSF
I really don't understand why all the different games have different universes. They made the games so much more complicated to understand for absolutely no reason
The events are GTAV and GTA San Andreas also occurred in different universes, hence why they also look different. Grove Street in San Andreas looked completely wider than GTAV and in GTAV there is no bridge that went over Grove Street like in San Andreas.
Stretch was a grove street og and went to prison and bought protection from the ballas told in the gta v story so I assume the thing he used as payment was grove street. knowing grove street is now ballas controlled b/c of him he sends franklin trever and lamar to go buy a brick of drywall. finishing off the last of grove street. its all in the story if you pay attention the selling of the grove is pure my on speculation or STRETCH.
On a personal note I think Rockstar should have just connected the 3D universe to the HD universe that way they could show us that time has past in the GTA universe hell even connect the Top-down universe to it would have made GTA deeper storywise
Actually, they did keep them connected (in their heads). The universes thing is an excuse for not bringing back old characters and the voice actor conflict.
@@extremeboss5282 I'm saying that they should be canon connected not bring old character level of connected they could say that the main characters from the 3D universe died so that way they can't be brought back
@@extremeboss5282Screw those "voice actors" We didn't love those old characters for their voice, we loved them because they partially shaped our childhood growing up. Rockstar can canonically and officially connect the 3D universe to HD universe by simply hiring another voice actors to voice our beloved old characters and Rockstar knows the fans won't have any issues with it. Rockstar just doesn't want to connect both universe because, simply, they don't feel like to and they continued with this idea of "3D" "HD" Universe bullshit and it was so infuriating as a long time fan.
@@extremeboss5282mf what?? 😂 The 3D universe and HD universe are both separate everything that happened from GTA 3 all the way to LCS did NOT happen in GTA 4 and 5
@@CertifiedWTRPerson Rockstar Games randomly invented the separate universe bs at the time of GTA 4 as a lazy way to say that they are in a conflict with VAs and that they can't feature many past characters, but with GTA 5 they themselves rejected it (silently). They haven't even talked about it in years. Rockstar games are far from being liars, but why didn't you say they are saints while replying to me?
@@extremeboss5282 It seems to me that the "universes" that Rockstar mentioned serves more as a distinction of the technology they developed the games in, as well as to catalogue the era said games were part of instead of a literal explanation of alternate dimensions or something. It just doesn´t hold up considering all the references and arcs that serve as continuation from the 3D games (Like Laslow & Candy Suxx, Grove Street and so on), and any and all plotholes can essentially be resumed as this: the events of the past games happened, just in the newest iteration of these cities instead of the oldest maps, like say GTA 4 Liberty City supercedes GTA 3´s. Btw, this universe things doesnt seem consistent as fans believe, because there exists Liberty Tree Articles/radio convos in GTA 3 and LCS that references the events of GTA 1 & 2, which is something not many consider or even are aware of.
@@josuebarba9361 Your explanation on the universes is much better than what the fans believe. As for events of the past games happening in the new iteration of the city, I say that Liberty City of GTA 4 is either a neighbouring city to the one in GTA 3, or bloody gang wars, GTA 9/11 and an earthquake changed the city so much in 7 years. For Los Santos, those mountains and deserts can be treated as non canon as even Rockstar games don't touch that landmass that much. And can you please tell me any mention to events of GTA 1 and 2 in 3 and LCS, I'm aware of the mention of Zaibatsu Corporation but anything else?
Well, R* has already said that the 3D universe (3/VC/SA) is an entirely different universe than the HD universe (4/EFLC/5/6), so it's entirely possible the green guys were never "Grove Street Families", and were always "The Familes". Any reason why they aren't in Grove street is pure speculation. Any references to characters from the 3D era are literally nothing more than easter eggs for long time players of the franchise.
@@LScentral no, it's true. Rockstar has said it themselves way back in the IV days. If you chose to ignore that, you're welcome to it, but it's not the official stance of the games creators.
@@extremeboss5282so they cleared a street behind cj house and made a river?...cmon bruh it's not the same universe..and it wasn't just a bridge that was a overpass you not knocking that shit down
@@extremeboss5282 no, they did that since GTA 4, there was no "voice actor conflict" Also even if the purpose behind it was a lousy excuse to get to revise the GTA 3 map into something better, they follow their rule like gospel.
@@thedrbat9572 I know that they did this since GTA 4. And if you think there was no voice actor conflict, then you are an ignorant fool who needs to see the relation of VAs of Tommy, CJ and Niko with Rockstar Games after the release of GTA Vice City, San Andreas and IV respectively. Speaking about revising the GTA III map, they could have also said stuff like ‘Gang wars,GTA parody of 9/11 and an Earthquake changed the city’ but they found the universes thing as the laziest way to say whatever they want.
@DPJDW2024 Maybe others think like that but I don't think like ‘I'm a genius and I know everything’ like you said. If they wanted to recreate the map, they can give a much better explanation. Moreover, GTA 5's Los Santos to a great extent has always felt like GTA San Andreas' Los Santos to me (minus those huge mountains and deserts), GTA 6 map is giving me many Vice City vibes. GTA 4 might look like a different city than GTA 3 but they can also say that bloody gang wars, GTA counterpart to 9/11 and a deadly earthquake changed the city than just lazily saying ‘different universe'. You clearly didn't understand what I meant by voice actor conflict and how it became hard for them to bring back old characters.
I honestly thought rockstar retconned the fact that older games and hd games are no longer separate universe. I could be wrong but i thought i remember hearing that
Near the end of San Andreas, CJ tries to convince Sweet to left the gang life behind and both of them live a beller life in las venturas( now that CJ have a variety of legit business) and sweet refuses. What if after the end of the game, after CJ did all of that, sweet still continued to be a terrible leader and CJ left to las venturas without him (based on how CJ has flaked in the past). So under the bad leadership of sweet, GSF declines once again. I mean. In GTA V, the Groove Street Families looks to me that they are a kind of "wannabe ganstar" all beacuse of the hood they live in (take Lamar for exemple). Franklin use the colors of GST but never really gave a fuck about that, the only thing that he wants is to get out of the hood and leave that shit behind him, there's no "hood for life" in him (like in CJ).
It's bcoz GTA 5 is in HD universe and it has nothing to do with GTA SA coz it's in 3D universe and that means whatever happened in GTA SA may have not happen in HD universe and if it did, it may have happened differently (like parallel universe or some sh!t)
Cjs running a casino, managing Maddogs career and a part time CIA operative. And swimming in cash. He won't waste no time being a lowlife Grove street gangsta.
Gta v was cool but I liked how you could go inside restaurants and eat, go to he gym and learn martial arts like boxing and kick boxing on level 2, even inside the hospitals and jails, from sa to iv
I've always believed that the events of the old GTA games are canon in the new timeline, but the old games were an exaggeration of what really happened. Probably, CJ left Los Santos, and while he was gone Sweet got popped and all of the surviving Ballas did an attack on Grove Street.
@@sodaroni_enthusiast even then only some of them do, so far only Madd Dogg and OG Loc seem to still exist even if Loc himself was retconned to have a different fate by that logic
@@ellieh.5419 all celebrities appear in gta v. The different universe thing was maybe planed for gta 4,but in gta 5 there are too many incidents which proves that they are canon. Rockstar games changed this different universe thing.
Grove street in V looks different than San Andreas because.... (drum roll) they are different universes. Rockstar has confirmed that the 3D universe (San Andreas), is not the same as the HD universe (GTA V). There are references and easter eggs, but there is no true connection between both games.
Real reason: You need to shrink the map to fit in all these insane graphic upgrades. Lore reason: It's been 30 years, cities get redeveloped, especially poor areas.
Given how R* treated the Lost in V, it's probably for the best they didn't touch the 3D Universe at all. Imagine the outrage if Trevor had killed CJ in a cutscene a la the Lost...Now my whole idea is based on R*'s idea that it's seperate canons/universes, so hear me out. To me I like to think CJ moved on with his life, he likely ran away from his problems again, it makes sense to me he'd go back to LC and want to get away from all of his issues. Which leaves the door open for the GSF to fracture and rival sets to vie for power and more importantly, money. Sure, Smoke is dead, Ballas are dead, but GSF also has a giant, giant target for that, Ballas are likely going to be pissed at GSF massacring them, and want to get even with them. So you have a fracturing gamg (remember the different sets from SA?) and everyone who CJ wronged or hurt or killed. That's a hell of a lot of people with a lot of power. I don't think the Ballas took over Grove Street as easily as people think. I think the LSPD got quite a few of them. In RL, CRASH carried on past 1992 or several years after all, even now the LAPD has issues with corruption. For all we know there are other Tenpenny like cops out there and to me it makes sense with how the LSPD is portrayed, that someone else filled the spot Tenpenny's death left, and blamed GSF or that, then set about being hell bent on eradicating GSF, and the Ballas were wanting to eradicate the GSF as well but don't match up to what is, in the game at least, a gang with a badge and a blatant disregard for the law. LSPD can move in and take out gang members and keep them off the streets. Ballas can't. Then you got the other factions all wanting a piece of GSF too. To me, I feel like over a number of years, the LSPD chippe away at or outright killed, the GSF members and weakened them, and the Ballas siezed the moment to take Grove Street. In addition, I think the drugs were a huge factor. Even if the ballas didn't want to directly assault Grove Street/GSF they had the means and the money, even without Smoke, to push a shitload of drugs into Grove Street, weakening the GSF by making them into adicts an unable to fight back
First of all Rockstar fucked up bad by trying to separate the universe. If it was like that why bring up and mention Grove Street Families in the first place. My problem is how folks try to act like if GSF is a powerful gang. Let's get this right without CJ the Families would have crumble. Let's look at the missing section in Davis they didn't add the housing projects from Ganton. If you look at how Ganton look you can tell the GSF had the most members living in the Ganton Courts projects. Fast forward 2013 there's no projects in Davis. You really think the GSF would stand a chance to survive only controlling 1 street. You might think I'm tripping but this is the type of shit that happened all over LA. Many gangs that control housing projects are usually notorious and have a strong presence with many foot soldiers compare to gangs that have a regular hood with regular homes. In LA many housing projects got torn down like Dana Strand, Normont Terrace, Aliso Village, Pico Gardens and now the Jordan Downs. There's a couple gangs that lost influence once the projects got dropped. That is a major example of what most likely happened to the Grove Street Families. Once CJ and Sweet moved on the GSF lost influence. Members turning on each other. Now you have new sets like CGF, CAF, DNHF and FDF. Now when you look at Seville Blvd they are a lost coz. There territory was only the projects , which remind me of some gang in the border of Compton and LA call the Village Town Pirus where there hood was one tiny projects and got torn down. After that you hardly even heard of them.
My humble opinion, they should come out with San Andreas stories. Obviously young maylay isn’t coming back. So mike Toreno has Cj killed to tie up loose ends in the beginning of the game. Two main characters: a member of grove street and a member of the ballas. They knew each other as kids but went they’re separate ways obviously. Sweet dies in a ambush by the ballas. You get two point of views as member of the families and a member of the ballas. It could show the internal struggle within the families after their leaders are murder and their struggle to maintain power. On the ballas side it could show how they regrouped, became strong again and took over grove street. Every gang seems to be an enemy of the families in the HD version so it could how they regained their turf.
They definitely needed to show us the other points of view alota empty holes in san andreas story also they couldve started out the game with us killing brian as a balla so we can finally see how it happened…i sholl thought a san andreas stories was nxt cus the order they was droppin but den we got gta 4 which i barely played😭 only played and beat the Mexican dude fr i jus didnt like niko after playin as CJ
@@dannyd9077 they could still do something. Young maylay is also holding a grudge but if they work something out we could maybe get that game. San Andreas will always live on as one of the greatest games ever made. Even though gangs are getting played out, the game was built around the history in la in the early 90s. So they could do dlc to San Andreas in the early 80s. Imo
There is quite a large gap between the events of GTA SA & GTA V. GTA SA taking place in 1992 and GTA V taking place 16 years later from 2008 through til 2012. I just put it down major destruction and rebuilding happening to the city over the years due to the fact that San Andreas itself in the game is known for earthquakes hence the name "San Andreas" because its a reference to the San Andreas Fault Line in real life. SA was originally meant to have earthquakes in it as well but it became cut content instead.
The 3D and HD universe are separate so we can't know if CJ, Sweet or anybody from GTA SA existed in GTA V. We basically know nothing that happens in the future of the 3D universe and nothing about the past of the HD universe. My personal theory about GTA SA after the end is that Grove Street wasn't much of a gang anymore because they had no reason to do much gang related activities. After all by the end of GTA SA, CJ was a millionaire owning stakes in a casino, being a music producer, and a lot of other businesses. He basically set them for life.
There should have been a CJ focused DLC after the main GTA 5 storyline to where he returned to LS(been over a decade) for an awards benefit(as he has become a big success as a media mogul and entrepreneur) but the benefit is attacked by Ballas and Vagos. Franklin and Lamar end up meeting CJ during the ordeal, helping him take out his enemies, expose the conspiracy against him and possibly, take back Grove street.
CJ was a different man by the end of GTA: SA. CJ let the gang life go when he got his stake in the 4 Dragons Casino and became Madd Dogg's manager. CJ only got back involved because that's what Sweet wanted. CJ may've taken over Los Santos but he and Cesar left the gang life behind for good and Ballaz were still able to be seen in Grove turf even after that. Mike Toreno most likely helped the Ballaz and the Vagos get their turf back with help from the Rifas and even force the Groves out.
Sweet wanting CJ and Kendl to spend the rest of their life in the Ghetto was the most infuriating thing about him.
Especially when they making legit moves
Rgink about it like civil duty...sweet is a community leader at the hesrt of it. The point was, sweet didn't want to see his neighborhood/ community become another drugged out zombies..like the rest of thr city, which is why he wanted to stay in the Grove...
sweet was trying to heal their home. no drugs, no gangs. just them. he sees himself as a community leader not your average savage
I am getting the impression that what inspired the story of GTA SA was individuals who had been in L.A gangs during the late 80's and early 90's being interviewed and confessing to the fact that they had never travelled outside of the 10 square blocks they grew up in. Even more rare was any of them having seen the pacific ocean.
@@llIIIIlllIlIlIlIll Sometimes all you can save is yourself...
The worst change is the fact the whole south LA area is shrunk down to basically just grove st and the streets around it. In san andreas half the los santos map was based on south & east LA. In gta 5 its damn near not existant. Which is wack to me.
Yeah that was silly asf the city smaller than the country towns 💀 like what!
I mean you cant really expect much it was ps3 game.Also I kinda agree they could make the city side a bit more bigger.They made the countryside too big.
@@contra7631 nawwl fam if a ps2 game could give me the whole hood plus the rest of LA plus the country...plus san fransisco and Vegas with an entire desert and a 2nd countryside that includes a whole mountain.....than a ps3 game should have been able to handle it ijs 🤣😔 (the amount of people misunderstanding what i said here in this response and telling me "you dont understand the tech" is driving me crazy. I very much understand the tech. You don't know how to read & comprehend is the problem)
@@NoMercyFederation1 Thats because you dont know how tech works.Games like Gta has higher resolution.Higher resolution+texture=bigger game size.Ps2 games were very lower textures+resolution so the game size wasnt much higher so they could easily cram alot things into their game and make the world bigger.
@@contra7631 but according to the internet the gta 5 los santos map is bigger than the entire san andreas map with all 3 cities and country sides. I still think they could have handled south & east LA being the size they were in San andreas and even if it was at the cost of some of that useless oversized country area.
(P.s. i'm a videographer & editor i understand this stuff perfectly fine. I just don't agree that it was due to limitations but more to bad decision making. Like we both said, the country side was bigger than it needed to be)
My thoughts. CJ had all the other ventures. He left them behind. Sweet got shot by a balla and the rival gang took over the grove. With the members who didn’t want to drop their flags having an open position as a head you started seeming more sets show up (around 1999 after sweet was shot and CJ keeping up with the casino partnership and maddogg’s career.) thus you have families dealin and striving for dominance
Excellent theory
I don't think cj would have ever abandoned the gang
Especially not if sweet was killed that would make him more committed to the gang than ever
@@X-Gaming2003 Man cj only helped sweet take back the grove gang at that time because HIS brother wanted him to, Cj was a REAL buster, he was raised different than sweet, he had more ideas and more life to complete, plus he already got his dream at the end, he had alot of money and even owned 50/50 of the most popular casino in las ventura
@@X-Gaming2003CJ wouldn't care about pointless street beef at this point,its pointless
What I think what happened: since the houses look different on grove street in GTA V than San Andreas, I think a neighborhood injunction probably happened on grove street somewhere in between the years of 1993-2004. For anyone who doesn’t know what a neighborhood injunction is, it’s a strategy used by the city/property owners to drive out any criminal activity in said neighborhood, SWAT Teams and ATF will come through and kick doors down strip search people/homes and put red tags on doors aka “VACATE THE PREMISES” notices, after grove street was abandoned they tore majority of the houses down and built new ones over, the same thing happened in a neighborhood that I live in right now, at some point in 2004-2010 the Ballas must have moved in after the injunction and claimed the territory, makes sense on why CJ’s Mom’s house isn’t there anymore.
So they knocked down a bridge 😂😂?...its a bridge over Grove street in San Andreas
@@ShawnReed-ny1hdit got broken some part in the end of GTA SA maybe they decided isnt worthy to maintain anymore and destroy it.
they are different universes bozo
That's a very good explanation
@@johnnymonsterrrrDoesn't matter. We're just trying to fit the universes together because it's fun.
I think CJ left the gang life because he got older and realized gang isn’t worth it and left with his sister and I think Caesar left the gang life too and moved to San fierro. And CJ as you notice CJ owns his own toothpaste he probably left and began making new things and making new companies.
So much potential wastes from roc star
@@Hebrew-Nation1 what wastes?
You cannot leave the gang life
@@victornewman-jc6lp well he did he had lot of money to move his entire family out the hood.
@@victornewman-jc6lpactually you can leave the gang life,there's plenty of people that made it out alive
I remember when gta 5 came out and when I played it for the first time the first thing I did was I went to grove street expecting the families to be posted up there, but then when I seen the ballas posted up on grove street I was like wtf 😂
Ona guys i think they like the ballas more nbs they get to the money be fresh and on gta online u can get ballas t shirts and polos and a knuckle buster but nothing for the families idk whats to em
@@dannyd9077 #KnuckleDuster
Same here. I was ready to get right back into gang wars and all that.
Honestly it would be cool to see Cj as boss and join the gang for some missions.I guess Rockstar wanted the story to be different.
@@contra7631 It's that SA and 5 are structured differently, it wouldn't really make much sense to add CJ into the game
Or... Grove Street basically grew out of gang life. With CJ, and his multiple businesses, they probably left their turf. And a power vacuum was created in which the Ballast quickly filled.
Thoughts?
A whole street and city wouldn’t just grow out of gang Culture
@@LScentralif you grow up in da hood, you dont wanna stay there if you can. sometimes moving down the street better, even if it's just a block over. they still a part of gang culture but they leveled up alil.
@@LScentralgentrification.
@@St0n3d_jesus-ttv It doesn't seem very gentrified. If anything it's in a worse state in V than it was in SA
@@screamingcactus1753 tbh I was just bored and said gentrification for reaction
One time I got dialogue in the hood as Franklin a guy in a green helmet with a green shirt said yo you heard og Johnson bought the casino up near vinewood and the other guys said” yea yea yea”
I’ll have to hunt for that I’ve heard some talk about Woozie Mu talking about him in sf
lier
i know this happened in the game, a video here in YT shows that some easter eggs of Grove street
@@LScentralwasnt woozie talking about him in LV? am i dumb??
@@danielcastaneda4975cry about it
The real reason why Grove Street Families lost their turf to the Ballas was because they tore down the Ganton Courts housing projects. Just like in LA, many gangs that control housing projects majority members live or hang out in the projects then in the actual surrounding hood. With GSF you mostly had 2 clicks the PJs and the Grove Street click. I can tell most members lived in the projects. Fast forward 2013 from Ganton to Davis those projects are gone. The only active GSF were the ones on Grove Street. It make sense the Ballas kept dropping the last remaining members til they finally took over Grove Street. Just to let you know ain't no way in hell CJ took over the whole city, this ain't no corny Saints Row. If it was like that there wouldn't be any Ballas and Vagos in 2013. In GTA SA the only way to play the last mission of the game you only need to take a certain percent back. I still don't understand how Rockstar only added 1 housing project in GTA V. In GTA SA they had 7 housing projects.
That’s some interesting history. There was a forum that tracked Chicago gang member’s social medias for funny drama, and it’s crazy how quickly they died and were replaced. If you’re actively pushing, and not treating it like the Boy Scouts. I don’t think anyone survives with their freedom.
@@blase9624 bro do you really think some broke gang members can afford living in San Fierro or Las Venturas. Only one that has that is CJ. The GSF most likely got ran out of Davis.
@@AYVYN yeah exactly well we already know why Chicago is wild. They tore down the Cabrini Green and the other highrise projects out there now you have gang members from those projects spreading there gangs in other neighborhoods.
The housing projects in gta V is the same ones that was in idlewood the one we beat da ballas up in with ryder? Grove once owned the pjs before the hood got weak so they just moved back in once grove st was over wit and they rebuilt em
@@southsidecompton9668nah cus then davis gang wouldnt be a thing it still was small houses across from the pjs and down the rest of grove the remaining memebers started they own faction which eventually turned into davis gang
Don't forget the fact that 3D and HD universe are completely different in some aspects. Usually events that happen prior and after the game do go across the universes
(example of that being the pollution leak of 1988 and an oil tanker accident that happened somewhere around 2001, which causes water around LC to look oily and in the beginning, dangerous to swim in, which can later be observed in HD universe, where the water still looks really polluted and oily).
However, events that happen directly through gameplay usually do not go across the universes. If Grove Street indeed did take over the entire LS, there would never be competition anymore. In HD universe, CJ most likely doesn't even exist, and even if he does, he would probably have a very minor influence, existing only as a, say, a face for advertisement or name on a book, or something like that.
So we can also assume that in upcoming GTA 6, Tommy Vercetti and his big operation would have never happened, but that doesn't mean Vice City doesn't have problems with sharks and hurricanes, so bridges being closed at some point, and you needing to find alternative ways might very well be a thing.
CJ does exist in the HD universe, there is at least one NPC that mentions the Johnson family in gta5
Franklin and Lamar talk about the Old Families too at one point @@BoleDaPole
Dude you are so wrong.Hd are 3D are connected.They mention about grove street gang.And also you have ballas and etc. other gangs from gta sa.So why they would add those gangs if they never existed in the first place and also mention the old gang.Its just we dont know what happened to them.But I am sure Cj is there somewhere else with his families.He just moved on at some point and it makes sense.
One notable difference is that the FBI, CIA, and DEA exist in San Andreas, whereas in GTA 4 onward, they were replaced with fictional branches.
@@contra7631do a google search before making things up 3D and HD are not connected grove street may exist in both gta but there’s no cj sweet ryder nor big smoke in HD universe even tommy in upcoming gta 6 your clearly clueless.
GSF ogs died out. CJ couldn’t care less about gang bangin, and that’s is crystal clear in SA ending. He had better things going on.
Sweet probably ended up like Emmet did, at least in terms of mentality. He was a solo survivor and stood for something that wasn’t there anymore.
If you look carefully, Emmet is the perfect parallel to Sweet.
He was an old school Families member in a hood that wasn’t anymore Orange Families for a very long time. But Sweet had CJ and probably was taken along by his brother lifestyle in the end.
GSF new generation of gangsters had no links to the families at all. These younger guys probably tried to emulate CJ rags to riches by dealing dope and somehow that ended with a Ballas set in Grove Street.
GTA V in HD universe which doesn't haves GTA San Andreas in it. CJ is simply doesn't exists in the universe of GTA V and IV.
@@Otto500206 i know it doesn’t but there are parallels. During a conversation with Franklin, Lamar says the original leaders of GS families got rich and left the scene.
Besides the separation between HD and 3D universe its not that strict since some 3D characters actually exist in HD.
different universe doesnt matter
@@johnnymonsterrrr read my comment above. ☝️
Many characters of GTA canon exist in both the 3D and HD universes so it's logical that there is a version of CJ somewhere and they heavily imply the events of San Andreas occurred with references to the 90s. CJ made it big at the end of SA and so he likely convinced Sweet to leave that life behind and go legit. They left GSF to those who didn't have the same vision and so the gang declined over time. Kendl likely moved to San Fierro with Cesar and he left the Aztecas behind.
"THEY might be CEOs or somethin" Franklin.
@@OlliWitta3_well by the end of SA, CJ owns multiple businesses including the San Fierro chop shop and having 1/3 of share in the Dragons casino, also he's Madd Dogg's manager.
@@The_Acolyte yup I'ma firm believer that the universes are all cohesive. Rockstar may have just been trolling when they said they weren't connected. Literally every game connects. Even how Michael talks about Niko in one mission. And Johnny literally is in the game lol.
@@OlliWitta3_ Rockstar said the divisions are the 2d, the 3d, and the hd universes. So Niko exists in the GTA 5 world but Tommy doesn't.
@@4thSurviverOr Tommy does but he's never mentioned.
I reckon CJ's still going as a businessman working with Woozy, Madd Dogg, Cesar & Kendl.
You can tell his mind was made up about leaving the hood behind when he picked Sweet up from prison. He tried to get Sweet to come along with it, but Sweet was having none of it so he tried to rebuild the hood to try and win Sweet over.
After the end of the story, with all his enemies out of the picture, CJ decided he wanted a fresh start and to take full advantage of the business connections he'd made. You can tell at the end when he says he's going to take a walk around the block. He likely decided during that walk, he wanted to put him and his business interests above the hood and being a gangbanger.
He'd have likely moved away and out of Grove Street if not LS entirely.
Over time, Sweet would have likely gotten more annoyed that CJ was putting his business interests above that of the hood as well as constantly being away from it. He'd also likely still be mad at Kendl for going out with someone who wasn't from Grove St gang. CJ & Kendl would have likely made numerous attempts to get Sweet on board but Sweet would have refused as he's incapable of seeing that there's more to the world than Grove Street and the gang. This would eventually lead to CJ & Kendl cutting ties with Sweet or at the very least distancing themselves from him so they don't get drawn in to the gang violence again.
Judging by the fact that Grove Street is Ballas controlled by 2013, Sweet is either dead or incarcerated due to being unable to see a life beyond being a gangbanger. So the gang would have had no leadership which would have meant the remaining homies would have fled, died or moved over to the Ballas. CJ would have no interest in intervening at this point as he no longer wants to risk his life when he has better options with his business connections & no real ties to Grove St anymore. All the others will have all just moved on with their lives, capitalising on the business connections made in the SA story.
@Theaggressivesalad This makes a lot of sense and is canon for me from now on. In GTA V it is also noticeable that, even if the Ballas and Vagos are more "predominant" in the LS scenario, their actual presence in the town is pretty scarce. This element could very well fit in with the theory that, around the 2000's, most of the gang members and leaders were arrested by the police (probably Sweet was one of them), that's why you find gang members in fewer locations than you did in SA.
Makes perfect sense. That's why I hate Sweet. He gives CJ alot of flak even when he did alot to get him out of prison and kept Kendl safe the whole time while also managing a lot of businesses. Sweet is too narrow minded and annoying
@@srinathparimi33 that's why I hate Sweet the most out of all the main characters. Carl's done so much for him to set him up and get him out of prison and he just throws it straight back in his face when he gets picked up from jail!
When Lamar and Franklin talk about the OG Grove Street they say their probably dead or becoming CEO, i like to think that Sweet indeed is dead defending Grove Street from the Ballas which has regain power from underground drug trafficking across Los Santos while CJ still living as multibillionaire CEO managing music label, fashion brand (billboard in GTA IV), lifestyle brand (like the CJ's Toothpaste) and his other business, probably living in Las Venturas, Vinewood or Liberty City. Other Families member either betray Sweet and joining Ballas when they take control, died defending Grove Street with Sweet, or survive the gang war and try to rebuild The Families forming sets like CGF, CAF, and DNF
I think that sweet got killed and CJ Kendal and Cesar move out of the hood if you remember, CJ didn’t want anything to do with the gang life anymore, sweet was probably killed
If we think about the fact that this whole gang story about gsf vs ballas is based on the crips vs bloods i think it went something like this, after cj takes over LS, cj becomes a celebrity and a bilionaire once some years passes and the 2000s came, most of the OG's moved out of the sets and most of them went to vinewood or better areas in LS, at this point grove street got abbandoned by the gsf and the remaining ballas took over the turf, to the other hand the remaining grove street families (and all them other sets) once their leader (sweet) was gone re established the families and took a new turf, i believe this because Gerald didn't wanted a war between the ballas and the feds, there's a reason why the feds doesn't want that the families and the ballas goes to war again, they don't want this to be repeated again as it did in 1992 in gta san andreas
When playing as franklin on gta v if you get on bleeter I believe you'll see a Ballsac member saying "thanks for giving up GS"
CJ takes over los santos, gets into the most dangerous military area and steals their top secrets, robs banks, becomes a trillionaire, fights an army alone, and people call him a coward. Sweet has never helped him, only kept failing his missions.
I like to think all the events in the 3D universe took place in the HD as well, the only difference really being the names of certain things. Onto my actual theory for the fall of the Grove Street Families. Some time after the events of GTA SA, CJ and Sweet both started to have more responsibility. The Ballas perform a drive by on Sweets house injuring him, infront of his kids. CJ would visit Sweet at the hospital only to see Sweet's Girlfriend and Children both looked distraught with tears in their eyes. CJ would ask them step out of the room so he could be with his brother he would say "Sweet, I understand you said you would die in the hood, but you got kids now do you really want this kind of life for them?" Sweet would reply "I don't know anymore, I want to see my kids grow but if I continue on like this, it ain't gonna happen. But it goes against my principle." CJ would interject "What happened to your principle against Drugs man, the whole neighborhood is full of baseheads, if we keep this up where are our kids gonna be if this is the environment they grow up in?" Sweet replied "I know, but this is our home man, it always will be so I don't want to give it up" CJ then said "Man, look your kids deserve better they could have better. Live a quiet life its time we hang this gangbangin shit up" Sweet would reply "CJ you're right, where will we go though?" CJ said "Somewhere we ain't gonna be walking around with a target on our backs, maybe move east get out of San Andreas or move out into the country outside of San Fiero so we'll be close to our sister."
I think at some point CJ was able to convince Sweet to give up the gang life, without much leadership the Families would split up into new sets, forming the sets we know in GTA 5, the other gangs who were weaker would have reformed and like vultures start pecking at the remains of the Grove Street Claims in Los Santos. Sweet and CJ would have moved, Maybe into a gated community as they could afford it with CJ having several Legit businesses in the State of San Andreas and a stake in a Casino.
Nice sob story lmao.
@@cxssetteman182bro 😂
bro pls.. I aint reading all this dawg 😭
@@TheMrRivash it's pretty good
You deserve more likes for this 1 comment lol
Disappointing the house isn't even there and enterable. Is the street even Grove Street? It's like Rockstar hate the old games and characters that made them.
Its a different universe
@@CertifiedWTRPerson thats the most lamest explanation that rockstar could think of
@@redknight344it’s not .. y’all way into these fictional stories lmao 😂
@@redknight344it's an excuse to recreate the city
@@CertifiedWTRPersonlovefist the fictional rock band is in gta 5 an their from the 3d universe (VICE CITY)
CJ and Sweet is a lot like Franklin and Lamar. One guy wants to grow beyond the ganglife, and the other only knows ganglife.
I think the reason why there isn't any gang wars in gta 5 is because of lore reasons and not lazy programming.
Since it was mentioned before in the early missions involving Franklin and lamar (the mission where they kidnap some baller) it was stated that they didn't have beef with families
Stretch after the giant shootout in the warehouse even said that they could be at risk of an entire gang war because of Franklin's and Lamar's failed kidnapping and the shootout they just got out of
The drugs were probably the biggest reasons the families lost to the ballas a lot of the families probably realized drug dealing was where the money was at
I am pretty sure rockstar has gone on record saying the hi-def games take place in a different universal canon
They do but we still know the gang was pushed out of grove St. And seeing how stretch acts and treats Lamar and Franklin it's not too hard to figure. The gang broke up from not being able to get many younger members due to hierarchical nature the older members enforced. Forcing cuts from every deal to everyone in a higher position in the gang, no wonder the gang lost so many members. Example being stretch demanding Franklin pay him his cuts on deals Franklin did independently.
@@chamllis right, but that doesn't change anything. CJ's grove street and the grove street in 5 aren't the same continuity.
CJ was definitely not a coward he probably just knew there was no future in it💯
Basically Rockstar was lazy didn't want to have to remake all of GTA SA and basically sat us down and was like son have I ever told you about alternate reality theory
Lmao
It’s actually rather simple, at the end of the game in GTA San Andreas, it brings back turf wars and the Ballas are in control of Grove Street because CJ has been MIA the whole time. You can optionally take it back, but this is not canon, in canon he stuck to his businesses elsewhere like the casino in Las Venturas, so the Ballas have retained control of Grove Street all this time.
All you had to do was pay the damn mortgage, CJ.
I always thought it was mainly because CJ was trying to get out of the hood which was why he got into the casino business and when Sweet got out of prison CJ basically abandoned the Hoods and wanted to take Sweet back to his mansion but sweet didn’t want to leave the Hood and wanted to be taken back to grove street.
Cj didn't leave Denise behind he was ran out of town by tenpenny
Was just about to post that. Glad I didn't
@@jimspockwhy u glad u didn’t 😂
She ended up dying on our second date, so I didn't know she had a bigger role in the game.
@ItsDaJax Just finished beating the game. I never did any serious dates, so i had no idea that was even possible.
@@gotyoutriggered.8644 Well she's the hoodrat girl and one date she liked outside of eating was drivebys. She got killed by the Ballas. I should've known since she's your first g/f and you meet her during a main quest. All the sidequest which dating is, gives you an advantage. Like the sheriff chick you date, once you're going steady; you keep all your guns when you're arrested. And I think you can call her to get rid of one or two stars.
It makes sense actually because locations can look different as time passes
Bridge not being there is sacrilege. 🔥🚒
GTA SA ended in 1992. A lot of time went by since then, but some of Lamar & Franklin's conversations when hanging out can fill in some gaps
I know they use the whole different universe thing to kinda erase the past. But I still like to think alot are still connected. In GTA SA when the LS riots are going you have to take a certain amount of territory so I try to recreate the GTA 5 hoods the best I can. Everything south and west of the train tracks goes to the families which sets up the GTA 5 lines pretty well. And all this happened because CJ was loyal to his brother but after big smokes betrayal CJ wanted nothing to do with the hood life because he made a life outside of the hood which he struggled to do for his whole life. So after tenpenny death CJ continued his life. He would still be there for his brother but because money an power is key to the gang life sweets days as a leader we're always going to be numbered. So he ether got killed or arrested. And with both gangs being decimated from the bloodshed of GTA SA I can't imagine whole lot of territory has changed since then besides Grove Street which lost it leader. I think every hood has there own group of leader the build up all the gangs in the city. The ones that refuse to change got weakened like Grove Street while the rest adapted and survived like the rest of the family in GTA 5 and with the death of tenpenny the corruption that allowed the gangs to run the way they did was eliminated so any gang wars quickly attracted the heat of the LSPD so gang war became bad for business so most of the gangs stop fighting an just managed there own territory focused on money then killing. In my playthrough it don't make much sense for the families to attack the vargos because there immediate relations on mostly Netrual sweet I don't think even recognize the vargos in GTA SA so I leave the Vargos alone an just focus on the ballas when the story make sense for it to take territory. But with out CJ and sweet the days of keeping the good clean was only going last so long. But that how I play San Andreas an shape it to lead up to GTAV.
In the start of GTA Online LSV is the largest gang. They control Rancho, Cypress Flats, El Burro Heights, Vespucci Beach, and an airport in Grapeseed. It make sense what you said not taking over there territory in GTA SA.
Lot of nonsense yapping.
Taking over all territories is necessary because of constant hood attack annoyance.
@@SeriousDragonifyFr, also if you are lifeless psychopathic maniac going for 100% completion you nee that too
2:08 you got some fancy voice acting skills😂😂😂
I heard its because of the hidden spindlelint script that everyone has seen yet only few know about. It's truly a genius thing they did over at Rockstar adding that it leads you to the Goblet of Queefing.
I see it clearly now, Cj figured out he was in a video game and ran away, AGAIN.
The Families, The Aztecas, The Vagos, and The Ballas got too old to fight each other. Many of them died or got jailed. After CJ drive out the Vagos and Ballas, the two remaining gangs just broke up after recruiting dried up and “the kids” grew up and got too old for gang life.
5. Definitely 5.
That's why LD is a blessing in disguise. You keep expecting him to switch up on u, but he doesn't, because he's actually a rare 1
Read somewhere that Tony Cipriani killed CJ, following orders from Salvatore Leone, and Sweet tried to maintain the family for a while but eventually died or retired, since he had the money, while Kendl and Cesar moved to San Fierro in definitive after the car business took off. The families separated by regions and the Ballas, as a power move, decided to dominate the Groove Street as a matter of honor.
One day I was goofing around in Los Santos in GTA SA, I parked my car for awhile then suddenly the Long Sleeve wearing Gang member of GS said this "Man, I want a real job". I was shocked and it made me think that that's gotta be one of the reasons why Ballas took over the GS territory.
I made a deathmatch named grove street throw down in the OG days of GTA Online. I spent a lot of time there
theory:
in this universe Sweet was killed in the green sabre drive by instead of his mom and CJ has no idea about it ryder joined big smoke and the grove street was taken over by ballas
This video would be true if not for the rest of Gta san andreas. CJ went from coward to OG. He cleaned Grove ST, had a lot of support, and took over LS by the end. Rockstar just went lazy on gang lore.
"The rest of San Andreas" doesn't happen in the HD games, they're explicitly an alternate universe. The closest we get is that GTA3 is a movie in the HD universe, and Niko can see a trailer for it on TV in GTA4.
3:15 you made me imagine these bricky ass characters bending backwards towards the sky everytime they saw ballas lol
You don't need 6 minutes when you can say is simply "GTA SA is in 3D universe while GTA V is in HD universe".
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Then why do Mad Dogg and Love Fist still exist if they're from SA and Vice City lmao
@@hayato1886 it's called "easter egg"
@@hayato1886 Madd Dogg and Love Fist are celebrities, hence they are treated more like Brands within the division of Universes(ala Sprunk) than as characters, and while yes themselves as a brand do still exist we have yet to see any celebrities physically in the HD Universe that we had physical character models for in the 3D Universe, Willy for instance despite being a member of Love Fist never actually had a character model, only having spoken lines during "Publicity Tour"(why he doesn't at least have a cutscene model in VC?....honestly I have no clue). Fun fact, Willy not having a character model is why he's missing from a billboard in SA because it uses the VC character models as a base.
Not having the bridge above the road was the worst
Tenpennys death caused this
Simple,
1. Different Universe
2. GSF in 3D also different with GSF in HD. 3D still there but in HD like Franklin said, It's legendary set but already defeated or whatever.
3. With this logic, character, Vehicles and Map from 2D universe must appear and used for 3d Universe.
Different Universe = Rockstar lie.
You must be believing that Rockstar games are saints and never lie. GSF in 3D is still the same here. Map off the three cities in GTA 1 is basically a smaller image of their 3D appearance. And as for vehicles, many 3D era vehicles have influenced from GTA 1 and 2. Speaking for characters, not a single character from GTA 1 appears in GTA 2, even though they are said to be in the same timeline. The Hare Krishna from GTA 1 do appear in GTA 2, but in GTA 3, the Zaibatsu Corporation from GTA 2 are mentioned. This universes thing didn't exist when GTA 3 came out. It came out in 2008 at the time of GTA 4, only to be proven as an excuse two years later.
See, Your comment sounds Quack Quack and Quack like Duck in my eyes. If all universe are one, then where tf previous Gang in 2D or 3D in Hd, why some city is Different between 2D, 3D, and HD, why major Lore get changed like Liberty City was etabilished in 1603, 1798 and 1625 for each universes, OG Loc's Career is Screwed up in 3D but in HD, he's Famous plus get Vinewood Hall of Fame or Is L.S Riot in GTA San Andreas related with L.S Riot version of GTA 5. Like i said, 3D are same With HD is stupid thinking. Remember don't trust Thinking About 3D are same with HD plus research first, If you do, i should say 2D universe must Same Universe with 3D. That's how be fair. Last, Well It's Rockstar. i've just comment too long with Research first than comment without strong evidence.
@@mrpoetoe3609 Your comment sounds like an oversmart kid trying to be genius to me. I would have punched you in your face if you were there in front of me. GTA 5 has gangs of GTA San Andreas, and while GTA 4 removed all GTA 3 gangs (except LC Triads and Yardies), there are alternate explanations for why they disappeared rather than your different universes. Thinking they 3D and HD are same isn't stupid thinking, your ignorance is stupid. As for 2D and 3D being same, well, it was actually the same before GTA 4, it's not that they created GTA 3 and randomly thought of different universes, they really kept 2D and 3D GTAs connected initially,and it is also possible that they changed their mind about the universes thing later on, but they won't publically say it, else people will demand characters like Tommy and CJ to return, and their conflict with VAs is the biggest reason why they invented the universes thing in the first place, and that too, as an excuse.
I was literally just thinking about the question the other day and this video found me on the algorithm…
I’m making a better break down soon brother
3d universe and HD universe are two separate universes with different decisive events happening for each establishment, organization and/or gang. the Johnson family might as well wouldn't have existed in HD universe. Or maybe they did, but one thing is for sure that the events of GTA San Andreas or generally 3d universe (including events of GTA 3 in LC and GTA VC in VC) are drastically different. I don't know why many people choose to just ignore this fact and make absurd theories about it
Nonsense. There are many evidences that they are canon. Rockstar games tried this separate universe crap for gta 4,but in gta 5 they they connected them again
@@samedison5559source?: Trust me bro.
@@samedison5559 GTA 5 and 4 are both HD universe. None of the events in GTA5/Online has any clue to confirm any of the events from 3/SA/LCS/VC to be canon.
@@spagoot9991 there is a wonderful video wich shows that some events of sa are mentioned in gta online. Video games aren't religion, it's possible that they change their mind about the universe thing
@@samedison5559The biggest evidence for what you said is the fact that Rockstar games haven't even talked about this separate universe bs in many years.
There are dialogues in a mission in which franklin and lamar talks about og leaders of the families became CEO's and left the hoods, maybe implying to CJ as he always wanted to leave gangsta life and obviously owned casino, car dealership and an abandoned airstrip
They should’ve jus made San Andreas part 2
That's Literally GTA V 😂
@@SupportGamin2025 GTA V has nothing to do with San Andreas outside of taking place in roughly the same location.
Basically since Franklin is CJ & Denise son
@ShayButter91 No. Franklin is a lil bitch compared to CJ. Franklin dont care about his hood.
Thay couldnt finish san andreas as thay wanted couse some voice actors and major actors where not paid enough so thay left project. Maybe in future but for now we have to stick with it. Also maybe in gta 6 we will se some come backs from gta 5 or gta san andreas. Thay did same for gta 5 for online player maker.
I think Denise from gta 5 is Denise from gta San Andreas tbh 1) think about it she was young in 1992 and now she could’ve possibly got older. 2) both Denise’s live in families territory. 3) Denise from Sa promoted gang violence nd Franklin Denise Also promoted it in the mission hood safari and was telling Franklin he needa support his homies more
That is her
I’m making a video about this and I’ll drop it in a few days
my question is what happened to the overpass and the street right next to grove street
That's what people keep forgetting about the og San Andreas...that's why I tell people it's not the same location...the alley next to cj house led to the street you're talking about...on this game it's a river😂
Also in one mission when gang war start with ballas one guy says "all the families left the turf n-word"
I haven’t heard that ima have to check it out when I get home
@@LScentral I've heard that from an NPC in hood safari mission in ps3
But grove street will live forever, grove street 4 life, families 4 life 🤘
How are they different universes when franklin and lamar had a full conversation in gta5 about the old grove street gang and how grove street use to be families territory.
Gtav should have Gang wars DLC
YES
The Lowriders DLC Is Pretty Much That.
at the end of the line, CJ said ''we gotta stay on top of our game'' which can have double meanings, either he meant that for grove street, which is unlikely, or he meant for his assets that he built up until the end, things such as the garage in doherty, zero's RC shop, stake in woozie's casino, and other stuff from the gta that was completed in 100%
regarding grove street, i think sweet got whacked somewhere between 1992-2013, and there was nothing that could keep CJ in grove street anymore, so kendl convinced cj to leave the hood just like how she convinced him to ''let that grove for life bs go'' while she was with cj in san fierro, but as soon as sweet had returned, cj was immediatly dragged back into hood.
CJ said in the beginning intro to joey that his brother (sweet) used to make his life miserable, meaning that sweet did everything in his power to make CJ into a gangster and keep him pinned in the hood, so it wont surprise anyone that CJ would abandon grove street at first opportunity.
judging by the pre 1992 events in san andreas, the only thing that made CJ stay is his deceased little brother, brian johnson, once he was gone. in his mind there was nothing left in the hood, so he ran away, because brian and carl look very alike, and were really close together, so naturally when you lose someone very close to you, it hits the hardest.
i dont think CJ was close to sweet at all judging how CJ said that sweet made his life miserable, and judging by the storyline missions, sweet always gives CJ a hard time about everything, and always blames him for everything.
imagine how different the game would be if CJ wasnt blamed by sweet, or if brian didnt get whacked. grove street could very well still be under GSF
HD universe and 3D universe are entirely separate!!!
I really don't understand why all the different games have different universes. They made the games so much more complicated to understand for absolutely no reason
It’s not complicated at all, it’s pretty easy to understand if you’re not stupid
The events are GTAV and GTA San Andreas also occurred in different universes, hence why they also look different. Grove Street in San Andreas looked completely wider than GTAV and in GTAV there is no bridge that went over Grove Street like in San Andreas.
Plus the caldasack(however you spell it) on san Andreas is shaped like a P...5 is some other shit😂
Stretch was a grove street og and went to prison and bought protection from the ballas told in the gta v story so I assume the thing he used as payment was grove street. knowing grove street is now ballas controlled b/c of him he sends franklin trever and lamar to go buy a brick of drywall. finishing off the last of grove street. its all in the story if you pay attention the selling of the grove is pure my on speculation or STRETCH.
3D And HD universe has no connection, Simple answer.
More like a lazy excuse.
The 3D and HD gta canons are seperate. The Los Santos from GTA 5 is not the future of the Los Santos from GTA SA
the story isn't that much different
On a personal note I think Rockstar should have just connected the 3D universe to the HD universe that way they could show us that time has past in the GTA universe hell even connect the Top-down universe to it would have made GTA deeper storywise
Actually, they did keep them connected (in their heads). The universes thing is an excuse for not bringing back old characters and the voice actor conflict.
@@extremeboss5282 I'm saying that they should be canon connected not bring old character level of connected they could say that the main characters from the 3D universe died so that way they can't be brought back
@@extremeboss5282you’re an idiot
@@extremeboss5282Screw those "voice actors" We didn't love those old characters for their voice, we loved them because they partially shaped our childhood growing up. Rockstar can canonically and officially connect the 3D universe to HD universe by simply hiring another voice actors to voice our beloved old characters and Rockstar knows the fans won't have any issues with it. Rockstar just doesn't want to connect both universe because, simply, they don't feel like to and they continued with this idea of "3D" "HD" Universe bullshit and it was so infuriating as a long time fan.
The fact that CJ says "Balla's do own families" is like a foreshadow
Because GTA 5 and SA don't take place in the same universe
And that's a Rockstar lie.
Edit: It is something Rockstar abandoned long ago.
@@extremeboss5282mf what?? 😂
The 3D universe and HD universe are both separate
everything that happened from GTA 3 all the way to LCS did NOT happen in GTA 4 and 5
@@CertifiedWTRPerson Rockstar Games randomly invented the separate universe bs at the time of GTA 4 as a lazy way to say that they are in a conflict with VAs and that they can't feature many past characters, but with GTA 5 they themselves rejected it (silently). They haven't even talked about it in years. Rockstar games are far from being liars, but why didn't you say they are saints while replying to me?
@@extremeboss5282 It seems to me that the "universes" that Rockstar mentioned serves more as a distinction of the technology they developed the games in, as well as to catalogue the era said games were part of instead of a literal explanation of alternate dimensions or something.
It just doesn´t hold up considering all the references and arcs that serve as continuation from the 3D games (Like Laslow & Candy Suxx, Grove Street and so on), and any and all plotholes can essentially be resumed as this: the events of the past games happened, just in the newest iteration of these cities instead of the oldest maps, like say GTA 4 Liberty City supercedes GTA 3´s.
Btw, this universe things doesnt seem consistent as fans believe, because there exists Liberty Tree Articles/radio convos in GTA 3 and LCS that references the events of GTA 1 & 2, which is something not many consider or even are aware of.
@@josuebarba9361 Your explanation on the universes is much better than what the fans believe. As for events of the past games happening in the new iteration of the city, I say that Liberty City of GTA 4 is either a neighbouring city to the one in GTA 3, or bloody gang wars, GTA 9/11 and an earthquake changed the city so much in 7 years. For Los Santos, those mountains and deserts can be treated as non canon as even Rockstar games don't touch that landmass that much. And can you please tell me any mention to events of GTA 1 and 2 in 3 and LCS, I'm aware of the mention of Zaibatsu Corporation but anything else?
Well, R* has already said that the 3D universe (3/VC/SA) is an entirely different universe than the HD universe (4/EFLC/5/6), so it's entirely possible the green guys were never "Grove Street Families", and were always "The Familes". Any reason why they aren't in Grove street is pure speculation. Any references to characters from the 3D era are literally nothing more than easter eggs for long time players of the franchise.
That’s not true story even supports it playboy
@@LScentral no, it's true. Rockstar has said it themselves way back in the IV days. If you chose to ignore that, you're welcome to it, but it's not the official stance of the games creators.
A lot can change over 20 years.
Thats what Im saying..San Andreas is set in the early 90s. GTA 5 was originally 2013 Los Santos.
So they knocked the bridge down that was over Grove street?
@@ShawnReed-ny1hdA bridge can be destroyed in less than a week.
@@extremeboss5282you guys are idiots
@@extremeboss5282so they cleared a street behind cj house and made a river?...cmon bruh it's not the same universe..and it wasn't just a bridge that was a overpass you not knocking that shit down
Thank you and thank goodness for 😅your videos 😊
Did anyone try searching cemetery for Johnson family? Their mother, Sweet or CJ thombstone?
No neighborhood is the same after almost 30 years man
So you knock off a overpass and turn the street next to Grove street that's led from the alley next to cj house into a river😂😂😂😂...sure
There are 2 universes
The HD universe
III - LC
VC
SA
The 3D universe
IV - LC
V - LS
But the multiverse exist between both
yea it's just like any superhero universe.
3, vc, sa are 3d, 4 and 5 are hd, how do you fuck that up? 3 dimensional vs high definition 😂
@@DylanC828 I tho it was the other way around.......
"YOU'VE PICKED THE WRONG STREET FOOLS"
-Big Smoke
Grove Street is different because they are in 2 different universes
Finally someone understands
The universes thing is a Rockstar lie, they do this because of voice actor conflict, don't think they are saints and never lie to anyone
@@extremeboss5282 no, they did that since GTA 4, there was no "voice actor conflict" Also even if the purpose behind it was a lousy excuse to get to revise the GTA 3 map into something better, they follow their rule like gospel.
@@thedrbat9572 I know that they did this since GTA 4. And if you think there was no voice actor conflict, then you are an ignorant fool who needs to see the relation of VAs of Tommy, CJ and Niko with Rockstar Games after the release of GTA Vice City, San Andreas and IV respectively.
Speaking about revising the GTA III map, they could have also said stuff like ‘Gang wars,GTA parody of 9/11 and an Earthquake changed the city’ but they found the universes thing as the laziest way to say whatever they want.
@DPJDW2024 Maybe others think like that but I don't think like ‘I'm a genius and I know everything’ like you said. If they wanted to recreate the map, they can give a much better explanation. Moreover, GTA 5's Los Santos to a great extent has always felt like GTA San Andreas' Los Santos to me (minus those huge mountains and deserts), GTA 6 map is giving me many Vice City vibes. GTA 4 might look like a different city than GTA 3 but they can also say that bloody gang wars, GTA counterpart to 9/11 and a deadly earthquake changed the city than just lazily saying ‘different universe'. You clearly didn't understand what I meant by voice actor conflict and how it became hard for them to bring back old characters.
I honestly thought rockstar retconned the fact that older games and hd games are no longer separate universe. I could be wrong but i thought i remember hearing that
BRO 3:55 WHAT WAS THAT LMAO
Lets be honest Lamar and Ryder would clash hard
For some reason Ganton isn't
In gta 5 it was replaced with
Strawberry or Carson
Ganton got replaced by Davis I think but yeah unfortunately
@@LScentral
From what I understood ,
Ganton was supposed to be Compton.
@@Lupo32 yeah it is but I’m talking about the location wise in the game
Near the end of San Andreas, CJ tries to convince Sweet to left the gang life behind and both of them live a beller life in las venturas( now that CJ have a variety of legit business) and sweet refuses. What if after the end of the game, after CJ did all of that, sweet still continued to be a terrible leader and CJ left to las venturas without him (based on how CJ has flaked in the past). So under the bad leadership of sweet, GSF declines once again. I mean. In GTA V, the Groove Street Families looks to me that they are a kind of "wannabe ganstar" all beacuse of the hood they live in (take Lamar for exemple). Franklin use the colors of GST but never really gave a fuck about that, the only thing that he wants is to get out of the hood and leave that shit behind him, there's no "hood for life" in him (like in CJ).
It's bcoz GTA 5 is in HD universe and it has nothing to do with GTA SA coz it's in 3D universe and that means whatever happened in GTA SA may have not happen in HD universe and if it did, it may have happened differently
(like parallel universe or some sh!t)
Cjs running a casino, managing Maddogs career and a part time CIA operative. And swimming in cash.
He won't waste no time being a lowlife Grove street gangsta.
Gta v was cool but I liked how you could go inside restaurants and eat, go to he gym and learn martial arts like boxing and kick boxing on level 2, even inside the hospitals and jails, from sa to iv
2:30 the gta v og Johnson reference was definitely towards cj since he solidified himself throughout the gameplay of gta sa
I've always believed that the events of the old GTA games are canon in the new timeline, but the old games were an exaggeration of what really happened. Probably, CJ left Los Santos, and while he was gone Sweet got popped and all of the surviving Ballas did an attack on Grove Street.
They are not, different canons
@@ellieh.5419exactly. People seem to not be able to grasp that. Only the celebrities from the 3d universe exist in the hd universe.
@@sodaroni_enthusiast even then only some of them do, so far only Madd Dogg and OG Loc seem to still exist even if Loc himself was retconned to have a different fate by that logic
@@ellieh.5419 actually. Almost all 3d universe celebrities appear on the Vinewood walk of fame and I myself would consider that Canon enough.
@@ellieh.5419 all celebrities appear in gta v. The different universe thing was maybe planed for gta 4,but in gta 5 there are too many incidents which proves that they are canon. Rockstar games changed this different universe thing.
Grove street in V looks different than San Andreas because.... (drum roll) they are different universes. Rockstar has confirmed that the 3D universe (San Andreas), is not the same as the HD universe (GTA V). There are references and easter eggs, but there is no true connection between both games.
Derogatory terms for the ballas.
BK, RHBK, FYK, TDBK, KTBK, Ball sacks, Ball Pushers, Ball-Less Ball Suckers. 😂
Real reason: You need to shrink the map to fit in all these insane graphic upgrades.
Lore reason: It's been 30 years, cities get redeveloped, especially poor areas.
Given how R* treated the Lost in V, it's probably for the best they didn't touch the 3D Universe at all. Imagine the outrage if Trevor had killed CJ in a cutscene a la the Lost...Now my whole idea is based on R*'s idea that it's seperate canons/universes, so hear me out.
To me I like to think CJ moved on with his life, he likely ran away from his problems again, it makes sense to me he'd go back to LC and want to get away from all of his issues.
Which leaves the door open for the GSF to fracture and rival sets to vie for power and more importantly, money. Sure, Smoke is dead, Ballas are dead, but GSF also has a giant, giant target for that, Ballas are likely going to be pissed at GSF massacring them, and want to get even with them. So you have a fracturing gamg (remember the different sets from SA?) and everyone who CJ wronged or hurt or killed. That's a hell of a lot of people with a lot of power.
I don't think the Ballas took over Grove Street as easily as people think.
I think the LSPD got quite a few of them. In RL, CRASH carried on past 1992 or several years after all, even now the LAPD has issues with corruption. For all we know there are other Tenpenny like cops out there and to me it makes sense with how the LSPD is portrayed, that someone else filled the spot Tenpenny's death left, and blamed GSF or that, then set about being hell bent on eradicating GSF, and the Ballas were wanting to eradicate the GSF as well but don't match up to what is, in the game at least, a gang with a badge and a blatant disregard for the law. LSPD can move in and take out gang members and keep them off the streets. Ballas can't.
Then you got the other factions all wanting a piece of GSF too. To me, I feel like over a number of years, the LSPD chippe away at or outright killed, the GSF members and weakened them, and the Ballas siezed the moment to take Grove Street.
In addition, I think the drugs were a huge factor. Even if the ballas didn't want to directly assault Grove Street/GSF they had the means and the money, even without Smoke, to push a shitload of drugs into Grove Street, weakening the GSF by making them into adicts an unable to fight back
First of all Rockstar fucked up bad by trying to separate the universe. If it was like that why bring up and mention Grove Street Families in the first place. My problem is how folks try to act like if GSF is a powerful gang. Let's get this right without CJ the Families would have crumble. Let's look at the missing section in Davis they didn't add the housing projects from Ganton. If you look at how Ganton look you can tell the GSF had the most members living in the Ganton Courts projects. Fast forward 2013 there's no projects in Davis. You really think the GSF would stand a chance to survive only controlling 1 street. You might think I'm tripping but this is the type of shit that happened all over LA. Many gangs that control housing projects are usually notorious and have a strong presence with many foot soldiers compare to gangs that have a regular hood with regular homes. In LA many housing projects got torn down like Dana Strand, Normont Terrace, Aliso Village, Pico Gardens and now the Jordan Downs. There's a couple gangs that lost influence once the projects got dropped. That is a major example of what most likely happened to the Grove Street Families. Once CJ and Sweet moved on the GSF lost influence. Members turning on each other. Now you have new sets like CGF, CAF, DNHF and FDF. Now when you look at Seville Blvd they are a lost coz. There territory was only the projects , which remind me of some gang in the border of Compton and LA call the Village Town Pirus where there hood was one tiny projects and got torn down. After that you hardly even heard of them.
We need "GTA V Online: Los Santos Stories" for this Grove Street mystery
Rockstar ia full of shit for not lettin us know what the fuck happened
Because nothing happened; they’re in different universes
@MaeRose26so, if Rockstar says that the Earth is flat, will you believe it?
@@alrvwpvekcopthe universes thing is a rockstar lie.
@@extremeboss5282 that’s the stupidest fucking comparison I’ve ever heard
@@extremeboss5282 that is the stupidest comparison I’ve ever heard
Rockstar dropped the ball very badly on that one. Los Santos in GTA SA was perfectly designed, in V instead it felt like a theme park
My humble opinion, they should come out with San Andreas stories. Obviously young maylay isn’t coming back. So mike Toreno has Cj killed to tie up loose ends in the beginning of the game. Two main characters: a member of grove street and a member of the ballas. They knew each other as kids but went they’re separate ways obviously. Sweet dies in a ambush by the ballas. You get two point of views as member of the families and a member of the ballas. It could show the internal struggle within the families after their leaders are murder and their struggle to maintain power. On the ballas side it could show how they regrouped, became strong again and took over grove street. Every gang seems to be an enemy of the families in the HD version so it could how they regained their turf.
They definitely needed to show us the other points of view alota empty holes in san andreas story also they couldve started out the game with us killing brian as a balla so we can finally see how it happened…i sholl thought a san andreas stories was nxt cus the order they was droppin but den we got gta 4 which i barely played😭 only played and beat the Mexican dude fr i jus didnt like niko after playin as CJ
@@dannyd9077 they could still do something. Young maylay is also holding a grudge but if they work something out we could maybe get that game. San Andreas will always live on as one of the greatest games ever made. Even though gangs are getting played out, the game was built around the history in la in the early 90s. So they could do dlc to San Andreas in the early 80s. Imo
@@Croftice1 because why not. Cj and grove will forever be a staple in Rockstar history. They would make a ton of money off of it.
There is quite a large gap between the events of GTA SA & GTA V.
GTA SA taking place in 1992 and GTA V taking place 16 years later from 2008 through til 2012.
I just put it down major destruction and rebuilding happening to the city over the years due to the fact that San Andreas itself in the game is known for earthquakes hence the name "San Andreas" because its a reference to the San Andreas Fault Line in real life.
SA was originally meant to have earthquakes in it as well but it became cut content instead.
I'm going guess Salvatore got back at Grove Street as revenge for cj robbing the Caligula
Thr amount of mistakes and typos in this video is impressive
Some were added as bait some genuine mistakes or small mistakes that don't matter enough to correct. I'm remaking this with much better everything.
The 3D and HD universe are separate so we can't know if CJ, Sweet or anybody from GTA SA existed in GTA V.
We basically know nothing that happens in the future of the 3D universe and nothing about the past of the HD universe.
My personal theory about GTA SA after the end is that Grove Street wasn't much of a gang anymore because they had no reason to do much gang related activities. After all by the end of GTA SA, CJ was a millionaire owning stakes in a casino, being a music producer, and a lot of other businesses. He basically set them for life.
Yes .. you can know if they existed since the game as the same past story
There should have been a CJ focused DLC after the main GTA 5 storyline to where he returned to LS(been over a decade) for an awards benefit(as he has become a big success as a media mogul and entrepreneur) but the benefit is attacked by Ballas and Vagos. Franklin and Lamar end up meeting CJ during the ordeal, helping him take out his enemies, expose the conspiracy against him and possibly, take back Grove street.
CJ was a different man by the end of GTA: SA. CJ let the gang life go when he got his stake in the 4 Dragons Casino and became Madd Dogg's manager. CJ only got back involved because that's what Sweet wanted. CJ may've taken over Los Santos but he and Cesar left the gang life behind for good and Ballaz were still able to be seen in Grove turf even after that. Mike Toreno most likely helped the Ballaz and the Vagos get their turf back with help from the Rifas and even force the Groves out.
Getting told we were going back to san andreas then getting gta v's map was the biggest disappointment of my childhood
😢same bro. i hate gta v
I love the graphics but that map is so bland...all we got is Los Santos and the countryside 😂😂...San Andreas we literally had cities we could hit up