So, 12 hours after uploading this video I find another video ranting about Scratch. I don't think I'll do a part two responding to the video I found, as it's just not enough to make it a full video. Besides, I'm content with this one video being enough to bring my point across. Here's some other things you should read before commenting: - At 10:04, I mention PenguinMod's broken servers. As of right now, their servers are relatively stable now. - Some people mentioned that June and July are the least active months due to summer break. - One user said that the reason for Japanese projects getting front-paged is due to the language filter being broken. Also, I did not expect this video to get 6 thousand views in less than a week. Thanks for all the opinions and feedback, everyone!
Nice to see a refutation of all the "Scratch is RUINED!!!" videos I keep getting recommended. I find it silly when people complain about Scratch being "limited" compared to industry game engines. It's like complaining that you can't use Lego to build a 1:1 replica of the Sistine Chapel; you're using it for the wrong purpose. Also, as someone who has used Scratch since 2010, these kinds of complaints were being made even back then, usually by adults and older teenagers who were simply out of touch with the program's intended purpose. We didn't start the fire, and all that. Good video!
One of these "scratch is dying" arguments that I hate the most is when they complain about the resolution. While I'm not a scratch programmer, I do program JavaScript games. Scratch is meant for beginner programmers, and one of the most important things in game making (especially for beginners) is resolution. you keep position of all of your sprites with it, you do all of your math with it, and if its 300 pixels then it is very easy to get it set up and working. HOWEVER, in Jacksons Academy video, he compares scratch TO THE PS5. it's a lot easier to work in the hundreds, AND NOT THE THOUSANDS. DO YOU EXPECT A TEN YEAR OLD TO HAVE A EASY TIME WITH 4K RESOLUTION.
If you find Scratch límited, congratulations, that's the goal Using Scratch serves as a tool to learn basic programming and then move on to a REAL programming language It's like complaining that a airsoft gun doesn't have enough firepower, THAT'S LITTERALLY THE GOAL
but scratch and text code are insanely different, i feel limited by scratch but text code is daunting because you have to remember everything and everything has a weird term for it unlike scratch where you just see it block coding is easier because it’s block coding, not because it’s limited
one of the main arguments i see for the dying side is that "scratch is limited!!!" which like. yes??? its for kids?? like i really dont get where these people are coming from
Yeah, some things are things are considered "too scary", but scratch has NO age limit at all. If you don't like that it's for everyone, search for other alternatives!
I don't use scratch though I'm aware of it. I'm happy to see how positive this video was though. Kinda a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of people making videos putting innocent things down from the perspective that they're just better than that thing or the people who use it.
Not sure why this landed on my suggestions, I haven't touched Scratch at all or have heard of it before until now! Honestly though this is a pretty good video with good points and presentation! The sound definitely wasn't a problem, but the music was a bit too loud sometimes, but still fantastic video :3
whoa really????? I could not have guessed!1!!!1!1! You mean to tell me a platform for LITERAL CHILDREN doesn't fit your PRECISE "expert" PROGRAMMER NEEDS????//??? REAllY?!??!/1/!??!?
4:20 To be fair, among truly never died. People still play the game, there's still memes, the vague appearance of the bean is iconic and it is getting an animated show
This is a really well put together video! Thanks for pointing out the mistakes in my video. I would love to see a video of you covering the generic project problem on scratch.
@@PhIcicle He literally told us to not leave hate, JacksonAcademy even agreed that his video had mistakes, and even if he didn't, you still shouldn't hate someone because of a personal opinion
As someone who was on Scratch for 6 years, I can't think that it is dying, but I agree on the fact that we are getting older, and are slowly leaving. Yet this is automatically replaced by new users
Turbowarp mostly fixes ALL of the issues of scratch, when I mean mostly I mean exception for the moderation but Turbowarp is an offline editor so it doesn't really matter
Great video! I agree with a lot of the points, but one tiny flaw I'll point out is this: At 2:27 you list the ages of some featured scratchers. I'm assuming these ages are guessed though as I'm dlx2 (which was an account I made for a RUclips challenge), and I'm not 12 lol, I definitely agree with the age range of 11-14, though.
The ages are indeed guessed. To make things simpler, I assumed all scratchers joined around the age of 10. I then just added that by how long it's been since they first joined to get the approximate final ages.
> Remember when we thought Among Us would never die out? I don't know what kind of example that's meant to be because Among Us is still very much alive and well and popular. Same for Pokémon GO. People just aren't talking about it because that gets you made fun of in 2024
This is a very solid argument, I mean apart from the whole moderation team thing, people just don’t like it since they think scratch is very limiting for them, which is also my case
speaking of the SOSC's follower counts, same with me. I have about 200-300 followers. I also believe that the reason newer scratchers get much more followers is due to one reason. Scratch moderates itself what gets featured, and it chooses projects that are bad most of the time. Back in the 2.0 days, you'd actually get good projects on the featured tab. Also, the explore page is mostly filled with japanese projects, avoid projects, generic platformers, so it's no wonder that people don't get featured for actually good projects. If you want to make a really good game on Scratch, you need insane luck for it to even be MENTIONED on the Scratch frontpage.
i used to be obsessed with scratch, i'll always treasure my time there but i've moved on to newgrounds and i'm just a different person now. or just less of a kid lol
The reason there are a lot of Japanese projects is because the scratch language filter is broken. so it doesn't filter japanese projects for english users
the bad part of Scratch is that it has more limitations that it need, the 300 clone limit, only running on cpu (which should be changed as soon as possible),and just running bad in general
its just fun to push the limits of scratch imo... i dont mind the limits of scratch because thats what scratch is. scratch is very limited, who would have thought!
0:34 June and July is when most schools are on summer breaks and thus not forcing kids to make scratch projects and get on the website. Edit: also, kids aren't playnng on scratch instead of paying attention to their teachers, they areat home playing other games.
You're right my fellow Scratcher. Scratch is far from dying, quite the opposite actually. We are growing up. At some point, even I'm going to retire from Scratch, but Space Tenulia and Competition of Objecia will come with me as well when I do retire. And I will make even better games on programs like Godot. But for now, Scratch will be my main place of activity.
10:03 hi uh penguinmod discord server owner here erm our servers are indeed up now (we know it was like several months but cut the devs some slack its like 3 people who were working on rewriting the whole big server from the ground op) but funny joke ha ha
I think the reason JacksonAcademy focused more on the cons of the limits of scratch rather than any pros is because he personally may have wanted more power with his game development tools. I know some people would like some of the most powerful game development tools to be able to make crazy awesome things, and others like to use less powerful tools to test their limits and see how they can make anything in them. I think this video brought up some good points, and I also think JacksonAcademy's video had some good points too. Also, he recommended for people to leave scratch for more powerful game dev tools if they have understood the basics, but I know some people may have understood the basics but stayed in scratch to make even more impressive projects and push the limits and increase their skill and knowledge. I wanna be one of these people, this is because of all the people I've seen that are like this, and a reupload video by FUNUT where he explained why he stuck with scratch rather than gamemaker, and the reason was because he wanted to make sure he could make great things in scratch that would allow him to make even better projects with more powerful game dev tools.
I also think scratch's limitations could've made it more popular because many people know about all the impressive projects made in scratch despite the limits and view it as powerful while limited. This reason even caused me to wanna make projects in scratch when I was younger.
I've used scratch for 8 years, and basically everyone that I knew in the early days has quit. But new ones keep coming, you just don't interact with them that much. These people think the entire website is dying just because their friends quit. Scratch is mandatory in many schools so new users keep appearing, that's also why activity halts in June, when vacation starts for a lot of people. And yeah, I also don't get people who get mad because scratch bans their projects. If you want to make an actual game, use an actual programming language. It's like getting mad because your calculator won't play Fortnite. And yes, generic platformers were a thing in 2016. Same for low quality animations etc etc., basically nothing has changed. Except the amount of Japanese projects lol. I joined back when Scratch was a lot less popular than it is now, so maybe Japan haven't heard of it yet. Maybe the ST are just weebs or smth
as a guy who likes scratch I would say that its more a less age and it being difficult for others to learn like myself there's still quite a few incredible scratch videos that make people be inspired to use scratch well then they use and they don't like it. The thing is that you have to be nessceairly have to be good to use it so I don't understand why they say its dying its not
Oh man, I was taught scratch in elementary computer school classes! I always thought it was cool. Scratch is meant for kids, it's limited, and that's how it makes the really complicated projects even more impressive. If you want more freedom, go to somewhere that isn't meant for children, and stop complaining that the childrens platform is meant for and has kids! :P Your editing style and general way of putting the video together (?) is really fun, and your voice is nice. I don't quite understand the majority of things you're talking about, my attention was still kept very well :) I was really surprised about how little subscribers you have, you definitely deserve more.
scratch is dying from the moderation side, thats for sure. also, you can just give users the ability to change their project stats. and sometimes the 2x speed is needed for projects, one of my projects included. the 300 clones limit should be changeable.
0:34 probably because june and july there's less kids in school and when I was in school, i had to use scratch for some assignments for some reason. Probably that.
11:56 - oh my gosh me when my get is ElementById (Also yeah, this stuff is TOUGH to learn. I generally stick closer to the original scratch, even if it IS harder to use.
The comment about how certain users get to share their RUclips accounts kind of not important, because is Scratch supposed to trust everyone to post their RUclips channel? Griffpatch is a well known, trusted user of the site, and I find it absolutely fair that they give him more permission because he's more trusted to not break the rules. I have to say the website design of Scratch 3.0- and less so 2.0- is inferior to the Scratch 1.4 design artistically in my opinion, because I would say the gradient look of the old webpage looks nicer than the overly minimalist design we have now. And, I do miss when the tag system from 1.4 allowed you to do more complex searches with them, and allowed you to sort by newest.
not sure how much this is mentioned i haven't watched most of the video but scratch 2.0's transition doesn't really work because the offline editor exists, i even use it because i think scratch 3.0 sucks
Indeed it is, but I only counted the public releases of Scratch, which first came out in 2007. Counting the prototypes, it would be 21 years old today.
So, 12 hours after uploading this video I find another video ranting about Scratch. I don't think I'll do a part two responding to the video I found, as it's just not enough to make it a full video. Besides, I'm content with this one video being enough to bring my point across. Here's some other things you should read before commenting:
- At 10:04, I mention PenguinMod's broken servers. As of right now, their servers are relatively stable now.
- Some people mentioned that June and July are the least active months due to summer break.
- One user said that the reason for Japanese projects getting front-paged is due to the language filter being broken.
Also, I did not expect this video to get 6 thousand views in less than a week. Thanks for all the opinions and feedback, everyone!
now it has 11k views :-D
where did u get this sound at 3:03 ?
Nice to see a refutation of all the "Scratch is RUINED!!!" videos I keep getting recommended. I find it silly when people complain about Scratch being "limited" compared to industry game engines. It's like complaining that you can't use Lego to build a 1:1 replica of the Sistine Chapel; you're using it for the wrong purpose.
Also, as someone who has used Scratch since 2010, these kinds of complaints were being made even back then, usually by adults and older teenagers who were simply out of touch with the program's intended purpose. We didn't start the fire, and all that. Good video!
One of these "scratch is dying" arguments that I hate the most is when they complain about the resolution. While I'm not a scratch programmer, I do program JavaScript games. Scratch is meant for beginner programmers, and one of the most important things in game making (especially for beginners) is resolution. you keep position of all of your sprites with it, you do all of your math with it, and if its 300 pixels then it is very easy to get it set up and working. HOWEVER, in Jacksons Academy video, he compares scratch TO THE PS5. it's a lot easier to work in the hundreds, AND NOT THE THOUSANDS. DO YOU EXPECT A TEN YEAR OLD TO HAVE A EASY TIME WITH 4K RESOLUTION.
If you find Scratch límited, congratulations, that's the goal
Using Scratch serves as a tool to learn basic programming and then move on to a REAL programming language
It's like complaining that a airsoft gun doesn't have enough firepower, THAT'S LITTERALLY THE GOAL
but scratch and text code are insanely different, i feel limited by scratch but text code is daunting because you have to remember everything and everything has a weird term for it unlike scratch where you just see it
block coding is easier because it’s block coding, not because it’s limited
one of the main arguments i see for the dying side is that "scratch is limited!!!" which like. yes??? its for kids?? like i really dont get where these people are coming from
Yeah, some things are things are considered "too scary", but scratch has NO age limit at all. If you don't like that it's for everyone, search for other alternatives!
its too limited.
@@LeBabolPlease elaborate
just learn REAL coding at that point 😭🙏
ill give you a limitation. cant scratch just have 16:9 resolution. I see no reason for it not to support that
Finally! A fresh perspective about the website that isn't just, "SCRATCH IS DYING!" it really is a breath of fresh air.
I don't use scratch though I'm aware of it. I'm happy to see how positive this video was though. Kinda a breath of fresh air compared to a lot of people making videos putting innocent things down from the perspective that they're just better than that thing or the people who use it.
Not sure why this landed on my suggestions, I haven't touched Scratch at all or have heard of it before until now! Honestly though this is a pretty good video with good points and presentation!
The sound definitely wasn't a problem, but the music was a bit too loud sometimes, but still fantastic video :3
One studio I’m in on Scratch has new comments every few seconds. It certainly is NOT dying.
Honestly, I love the how limited Scratch is. It’s fun trying ti work with the limitations.
I have fond memories of making things in Scratch when I was a kid. I think I even still have an unfinished project on my account
0:10 II FACES!!
"Scratchtubers" on their way to be grown adults & whine about how the kids programming site doesn't suit them anymore
whoa really????? I could not have guessed!1!!!1!1! You mean to tell me a platform for LITERAL CHILDREN doesn't fit your PRECISE "expert" PROGRAMMER NEEDS????//??? REAllY?!??!/1/!??!?
4:20 To be fair, among truly never died. People still play the game, there's still memes, the vague appearance of the bean is iconic and it is getting an animated show
This is a really well put together video! Thanks for pointing out the mistakes in my video. I would love to see a video of you covering the generic project problem on scratch.
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@@PhoenixVir1 no, no he's not JacksonAcademy1 is his handle.
@@PhoenixVir1 bro thats the real jackson academy
@@JacksonAcademy1 boo
@@PhIcicle He literally told us to not leave hate, JacksonAcademy even agreed that his video had mistakes, and even if he didn't, you still shouldn't hate someone because of a personal opinion
As someone who was on Scratch for 6 years, I can't think that it is dying, but I agree on the fact that we are getting older, and are slowly leaving. Yet this is automatically replaced by new users
tried making a scratch game studio one time and I failed miserably
Me too bro, Me too
im not that experienced with scratch or scratch youtubers, but, you are underrated, u deserve more popularity
I still use Scratch to this day, it's nice or GUI design and I like combining it with my Python scripts :3
Turbowarp mostly fixes ALL of the issues of scratch, when I mean mostly I mean exception for the moderation but Turbowarp is an offline editor so it doesn't really matter
Great video! I agree with a lot of the points, but one tiny flaw I'll point out is this: At 2:27 you list the ages of some featured scratchers. I'm assuming these ages are guessed though as I'm dlx2 (which was an account I made for a RUclips challenge), and I'm not 12 lol, I definitely agree with the age range of 11-14, though.
The ages are indeed guessed. To make things simpler, I assumed all scratchers joined around the age of 10. I then just added that by how long it's been since they first joined to get the approximate final ages.
Rlly good vid! I honestly thought this channel had like at least 20K subs, please keep making vids!
8:58 I think it actually does, because if you put a wait 0 secs block in a loop it'll make it slower
I went from animator to game dev for the 9 years I've been on here
I've been waiting for someone to make a video just like this.
> Remember when we thought Among Us would never die out?
I don't know what kind of example that's meant to be because Among Us is still very much alive and well and popular. Same for Pokémon GO. People just aren't talking about it because that gets you made fun of in 2024
This is a very solid argument, I mean apart from the whole moderation team thing, people just don’t like it since they think scratch is very limiting for them, which is also my case
penguinmod servers are back btw
Thanks
at first i thought this had more than 50k views and had atleast 17k comments.
well i was wrong, you are underrated.
legendary pull from the algorithm knowing a soscer made this
speaking of the SOSC's follower counts, same with me. I have about 200-300 followers. I also believe that the reason newer scratchers get much more followers is due to one reason.
Scratch moderates itself what gets featured, and it chooses projects that are bad most of the time. Back in the 2.0 days, you'd actually get good projects on the featured tab. Also, the explore page is mostly filled with japanese projects, avoid projects, generic platformers, so it's no wonder that people don't get featured for actually good projects.
If you want to make a really good game on Scratch, you need insane luck for it to even be MENTIONED on the Scratch frontpage.
very well put-together video!
i used to be obsessed with scratch, i'll always treasure my time there but i've moved on to newgrounds and i'm just a different person now. or just less of a kid lol
6:32 the fact I’m as old as scratch is freaky.
I love how you put gameplay of your own games instead of random trashy fps or roblox because honeslty i hate those 😭
The reason there are a lot of Japanese projects is because the scratch language filter is broken. so it doesn't filter japanese projects for english users
0:06 the ii episode 1-2 mouth 😭
the reason why june and july is very high us because SUMMER VACATION!
Scratch is limited, that's the point. Since it's limited, when you create a good project, you'll feel more proud of it. That's the purpose.
OBJECT SHOW CHARACTER???? instant sub
gotta love the old ii mouths too
Object shows r trash lol
15:13 Hey thats me!
wow cool
@@treehomethekid LOL TREE HI.
ironically to the topic you are discussing this is actually making me want to Scratch again
the bad part of Scratch is that it has more limitations that it need, the 300 clone limit, only running on cpu (which should be changed as soon as possible),and just running bad in general
They should but they probably won’t.
The Gen Alpha and Gen Z part of this video, it's something that people seem to avoid, but is very true.
its just fun to push the limits of scratch imo...
i dont mind the limits of scratch because thats what scratch is. scratch is very limited, who would have thought!
I quit scratch because of boredom and seeing roblox studio as a new tool (sprunki made me have a bit of interest in scratch again)
I also quit scratch because of boredom
0:34 June and July is when most schools are on summer breaks and thus not forcing kids to make scratch projects and get on the website.
Edit: also, kids aren't playnng on scratch instead of paying attention to their teachers, they areat home playing other games.
To be fair, it's pretty much a red flag for an 18 year old still using Scratch for programming without prior knowledge of other programming languages.
i didnt know I_LIKE_YO_SCRATCH was that famous
THANK YOU
You're right my fellow Scratcher. Scratch is far from dying, quite the opposite actually. We are growing up. At some point, even I'm going to retire from Scratch, but Space Tenulia and Competition of Objecia will come with me as well when I do retire. And I will make even better games on programs like Godot. But for now, Scratch will be my main place of activity.
10:03 hi uh penguinmod discord server owner here erm our servers are indeed up now (we know it was like several months but cut the devs some slack its like 3 people who were working on rewriting the whole big server from the ground op) but funny joke ha ha
Some of the kids in my class literally go on scratch during class 😭😭😭
this is a great video, also look its the guy who made me an extension for me unprompted, and he makes youtube videos too
cool
hey! i think i knew you before, i was turquoise crystal in HNOC, if you even remember that, lol.
nice video!!
I think the reason JacksonAcademy focused more on the cons of the limits of scratch rather than any pros is because he personally may have wanted more power with his game development tools. I know some people would like some of the most powerful game development tools to be able to make crazy awesome things, and others like to use less powerful tools to test their limits and see how they can make anything in them.
I think this video brought up some good points, and I also think JacksonAcademy's video had some good points too.
Also, he recommended for people to leave scratch for more powerful game dev tools if they have understood the basics, but I know some people may have understood the basics but stayed in scratch to make even more impressive projects and push the limits and increase their skill and knowledge. I wanna be one of these people, this is because of all the people I've seen that are like this, and a reupload video by FUNUT where he explained why he stuck with scratch rather than gamemaker, and the reason was because he wanted to make sure he could make great things in scratch that would allow him to make even better projects with more powerful game dev tools.
I also think scratch's limitations could've made it more popular because many people know about all the impressive projects made in scratch despite the limits and view it as powerful while limited. This reason even caused me to wanna make projects in scratch when I was younger.
I've used scratch for 8 years, and basically everyone that I knew in the early days has quit. But new ones keep coming, you just don't interact with them that much. These people think the entire website is dying just because their friends quit. Scratch is mandatory in many schools so new users keep appearing, that's also why activity halts in June, when vacation starts for a lot of people. And yeah, I also don't get people who get mad because scratch bans their projects. If you want to make an actual game, use an actual programming language. It's like getting mad because your calculator won't play Fortnite.
And yes, generic platformers were a thing in 2016. Same for low quality animations etc etc., basically nothing has changed. Except the amount of Japanese projects lol. I joined back when Scratch was a lot less popular than it is now, so maybe Japan haven't heard of it yet. Maybe the ST are just weebs or smth
bro you cooked him boiled him and burned him
3:04 I KNEW IT!
0:07 inanimate insanity S1 mouth
as a guy who likes scratch I would say that its more a less age and it being difficult for others to learn like myself there's still quite a few incredible scratch videos that make people be inspired to use scratch well then they use and they don't like it. The thing is that you have to be nessceairly have to be good to use it so I don't understand why they say its dying its not
Scratch 4.0 would work wonders in terms of popularity or user rate
I have the source code to the Original scratch website, I think I'm gonna try to get it running at some point
Finally a guy with common sense
Thank god I'm not the only one who thought those Scratch is dying videos were stupid...
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It drops during longer holidays
Oh man, I was taught scratch in elementary computer school classes! I always thought it was cool. Scratch is meant for kids, it's limited, and that's how it makes the really complicated projects even more impressive. If you want more freedom, go to somewhere that isn't meant for children, and stop complaining that the childrens platform is meant for and has kids! :P
Your editing style and general way of putting the video together (?) is really fun, and your voice is nice. I don't quite understand the majority of things you're talking about, my attention was still kept very well :) I was really surprised about how little subscribers you have, you definitely deserve more.
my foot is telling me to kick but my hand is telling me to do a handshake and my shoulder wants to shrug it off as nothing
remkapi jumpscare
Scratch yet is the most easy engine to create a game
for a simple game that is..
Yes, completely.
scratch is dying from the moderation side, thats for sure.
also, you can just give users the ability to change their project stats.
and sometimes the 2x speed is needed for projects, one of my projects included.
the 300 clones limit should be changeable.
0:34 probably because june and july there's less kids in school and when I was in school, i had to use scratch for some assignments for some reason. Probably that.
you should upload episodes here I'm not on scratch
part of the "here before scratch 3" gang???
Fact spitter.
I actually never heard of Scratch.
no way it's the WCC guy (btw i'm tubii)
11:56 - oh my gosh
me when my get is ElementById
(Also yeah, this stuff is TOUGH to learn. I generally stick closer to the original scratch, even if it IS harder to use.
theres less activity in june and july because thats when theres no school i believe
wow, an arch user likes your channel :)
4:32 HE DID NOT JUST PLAY THAT SONG, NO HE DIDNT HE DID NOT.
This is like the "minecraft is dying" nostalgia bait videos (not this video, the videos mentioned there)
10:04 THEY CAME BACK YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!! :D
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the site is far from going six feet under, no matter how hard it fell off in the past five years
The comment about how certain users get to share their RUclips accounts kind of not important, because is Scratch supposed to trust everyone to post their RUclips channel? Griffpatch is a well known, trusted user of the site, and I find it absolutely fair that they give him more permission because he's more trusted to not break the rules.
I have to say the website design of Scratch 3.0- and less so 2.0- is inferior to the Scratch 1.4 design artistically in my opinion, because I would say the gradient look of the old webpage looks nicer than the overly minimalist design we have now. And, I do miss when the tag system from 1.4 allowed you to do more complex searches with them, and allowed you to sort by newest.
I also really like the design of 1.4. I've been attempting to make a project viewer in the 1.4 style for a while now.
Scratch *is* dying, but it's not just because we're growing old. It's because the youngest generations are getting dumber as society collapses
Music too loud
doom: c++
scratch: scratch
and google trends isnt true it get higher and higher
Object show?
not sure how much this is mentioned i haven't watched most of the video but scratch 2.0's transition doesn't really work because the offline editor exists, i even use it because i think scratch 3.0 sucks
The reason why it dipped in July is because most users are in school.
Skibidi Toilet. Is not. A meme.
bruhh scratch is 21 years, not 17, Scratch was made in 2003, which the first version of scratch is scratch 0.1
Indeed it is, but I only counted the public releases of Scratch, which first came out in 2007.
Counting the prototypes, it would be 21 years old today.
Yeah it's true-a!
it's not dying, it's just shit for people who want to actually code
Scratch isn't dying but the community is very trash
wow...
awsom by mbal again omg constructiony!!!!!!!!!!!