Elizabeth line: The ultimate premiere | Hidden London Hangouts (S05E13)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In this episode the team travel against the clock on a new Elizabeth line train with some of the design team Paul Marchant, Emma Sewell and Harriet Wallace. They are joined in the studio by special guest Mark Wild for a unique insight into the delivery of the new line.
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The chat with Mark Wild was fascinating, he was was so honest and thoughtful. It's rare to hear any senior executive being that candid without giving things the corporate PR spin, and of course in the end he has every reason to be proud of what's been achieved.
It's also great to hear from the designers - more of this would be great in future videos! Frank Pick would be pleased to know his belief in the importance of good design is still adhered to by today's TfL.
Thank you so much for noticing. We work so hard to gain the trust of the big bosses wherever we go. They realise we aren’t out to trip them up - we never do. Many other journalists try that - we leave that to them. What I think was so lovely is that Mark was happy to chat to us - and I mean chat, that’s exactly how we talk off camera too - but with such considered views of the pros and cons. He’s a very clever and courteous guy. As for the other aspects, we’ll do more for you with pleasure. Very much hope you keep enjoying the episodes we make. There are many other authors of this sort of stuff so we are super grateful for your kindness and time.
I'm a long time (LONG) American fan of London. As a Northern Line girl, I watched the madness at TCR for all 12 years, thinking it would never end. The line looks fab, the video is terrific, and Emma and Harriet are wearing great tippets! Thanks for this.
Great episode. You guys are closing in on Geoff Marshall when it comes to interesting content:). During this episode, it struck me how Mark Wild seems to be the perfect man to have overseen this project to completion. He seems very cool-headed in his approach which must have been useful, especially when dealing with the media who generally focus on the negatives rather than the positives of this unusually complicated project. We should appreciate people like him more.
Thank you for the lovely comments - much appreciated. Mark is a brilliant guy. Very wise, very clever, very human. Has been a joy to get to know him.
@@alexgrundon2346 Totally agree. I wonder if he will be roped in to do Crossrail Two or whether he will want to take on a different kind of challenge.
Mark could genuinely do anything next. His professional and interpersonal skills set him aside from the crowd. A unique skillset. As a journalist, I was always impressed he wasn’t just a mouthpiece for a press office. He’s never scared to tackle tough issues. He’s very much his own man and genuinely a pleasure to spend time with and learn from. I wish him all the luck in the world for his next challenge.
My civil engineer brother worked on crossrail in the pre days of the 90’s. Been following the project ever since. So happy to be riding it on 24th on a special trip to London for a Down Street tour. The Lizzy line ride will just top it off for me.
This video reminds me my first trip to London after the pandemic, in June 2022. I first used the Elizabeth Line exactly a month after it opened and I kept saying to myself, "wow!"
I freely admit i have been a vocal critic of crossrail that was because of cost and time over runs but now it is becoming fully usable , well almost, i am delighted.
It’s a fab train set to play with. Come and enjoy it to the full.
@@alexgrundon2346 I shall, once the initial rush has subsided and being a Freedom Pass holder I can use the entire system for free, Reading here I come, just because i can.😊
As Alex said, a special episode, and (among other things) a great interview with Mark Wild. I've been thinking over the past few months (with all the Lizzy Line episodes) about how London, which was the pioneer of underground railways, is now getting a super-modern one to complement the ones that were super-modern 150 years ago or whenever they were built. London's doddery old lines can be such a pain to use and need constant upgrading (e.g. most recently at Bank), but that's because they're based on experiments like the City and South London Railway. Compared with the new line those old ones seem a bit like the Wright brothers' plane compared with a Saturn V - one has to remember that without the Wright brothers we probably wouldn't have had the Saturn V's. All the lessons we (and other cities) have had to learn since 1863 have gone into the new line one way or another, and I think it's great that London is now benefiting from the results of all that process which began here.
The overall cost of Crossrail's central section was £15.8 billion. The final cost, including Network Rail elements of the project, was £18.6 billion. What was the cost of the delay? Estimated revenue lost from fares had Crossrail been opened as expected.
Really looking forward to visiting on Thursday with my elder daughter. Will raise a 1990s Crossrail mug to my late father-in-law, who was on the mid-90s (LUL/BR) project, developing the case that led to CLRL being formed. He only died last year. I bet he'd have loved to ride the Liz with his grandkids.
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What a lovely episode. I always find it really intriguing to watch real experts talking about their subject - even when it’s in a field I know or understand little about, so a big ‘shout out’ to your design experts enjoying the fruits of their labours and explaining the thinking behind it. Also interesting to hear from the CEO who’s brought this massive project home.
And now the Elizabeth Line will make it’s big transformation into passenger service. In some respects, the passengers are the final design element of the Elizabeth Line puzzle that you’ve been unable to show, although seeing these big open spaces without crowds is equally fascinating.
What a lovely, insightful comment. Thank you!
I cannot fathom how much stress Mark must have been through. Likeable guy
God love you for spotting it and God love him for coping with it. And he did all that while remaining irrepressibly gentlemanly.
Very interesting to hear Mark Wild say his key lesson was the arbitrary and predetermined deadline of 2018 that caused modularity to be dropped - they started building before completing the design as that would have taken a year they didn't think they had, and made stuff in-situ rather than just installing standard components made off site, "very non productive". Having worked on large IT project this rings so true! As the proverb goes, 'more haste less speed'. Very hard to avoid being bounced into not thinking things through, though, and even harder to realise at the time which bits you're doing too fast.
Refreshing honesty, wasn’t it. He is a delight.
Thanks, team, for taking us along, once again, on an adventure of history in the making. 💜 you show us what we can’t experience for ourselves and spoil us with fun facts and fab sights. “Enjoy the joy,” Alex said…
I already feel like child in a candy I loved every minute of this special episode and every previous episode I can't too explore all the stations and trains in person thank you so much xx
Can I just say ask someone who has binge watched quite a lot of the Hangouts when you are looking at stuff that has "died" of sorts and been "forgotten" about. There has been a wonderment of sorts to see and follow something that is right on the other end of the timescale just before being launched and about to be born. This truly is history in the making. I am sure those who are going to be presenting Hidden London Hangouts Series 94 will have a good lot of source material to look back on.
LOVE YOU! Thank you so much
@@alexgrundon2346 You are welcome.
Episode 94 in 2034 or after
I got on the purple train from Stratford to Liverpool Street on Thursday and found it quicker than the Central line, the Elizebeth line is going to change my life too as i travel quite alot from Hertfordshire to London.
I must admit I love the Elizabeth line for many reason one of those is because I suffer from anxiety and I am autistic the large space and ability to move freely between carriages allows me to travel with better ease.
What a fabulous episode. Having experienced the new Northern Line station at Bank in the past week, I now have the Elizabeth Line to look forward to this coming Friday. So much wonderful stuff in a short period of time!
What a great episode - I am so looking forward to using the new line myself next time I’m in the capital! The sheer scale of the stations and the seemingly endless train interiors look amazing. A big investment for sure but also a very big result
Ohh ... And thanks for the series, i enjpy checking them out.
Let's do it ,I turned off gardeners question time to watch this live,very much looking forward to using the EL when next I'm in town Thankyou all.
Just amazing and at my door step .Thank you .
Another brilliant episode guys. I've seen every episode but this one is right up there as one of my favourites. I can't wait to experience everything you have shown us on the Elizabeth Line.
Would be nicer if Crossrail used different trains.
@@jacksugden8190 What's wrong with the class 345?
@@dylan32023 I never liked that name Elizabeth Line, preferred Crossrail. Per the reasons outlined in my comment, there could have made improvements before the production run of trains, they may had made changes unknown to myself, now they were almost un rideable for long distances due design flaws, before all that money was spent, surely MTR Corporation (Crossrail) Ltd as a London Rail concession of Transport for London (TfL), could have made some changes, it’s fact that the the final cost of Crossrail was estimated to be £19bn, over budget and late, which was more than twice the price of hosting the Olympic Games.
Fantastic episode. Thank you to all for your infectious enthusiasm in the Hangouts. I am busy working my way through your back catalogue of the Hangouts and looking forward to riding the Elizabeth Line when next in London. Keep up the good work.
Wow what an episode it has been a great priviage to watch all these and thanks very much to all involved and our very own FAB4 for letting us on this amazing journey and i just look forward to travelling and exploring this fantastic new railway
Fantastic meeting you all yesterday thanks for the photos I remember asking saying a nice pub in Woolwich had to visit and bumped into you again haha
Fantastic. I share your excitement for the Elizabeth line even though I live on the other side of the world. Can't wait to see it for real.
Brilliant episode - I can't wait to travel on it. I will definitely walk around the stations slowly, with my eyes open!
Looking forward to this one. Can I also say again how much I enjoyed 'Secrets of the LU' these past few weeks.
When are you going to make an appearance on it Alex ???!!!
Fab isn’t it. I’m going to make a cameo. I’ll be Tim Dunn’s left boot. 😉
@@alexgrundon2346 Boot or Butt cheek? ;)
I was hoping I'd see Tim and/or Siddy on Crossrail - unfortunately I failed!
Great episode, as ever! Missed the live chat this week, ironically as I was travelling between Carlisle & Crewe. Did manage a quick chat with museum director Sam Mullins at Paddington yesterday morning during a staff coffee run before heading to LHR... gave you lot a gold star. Keep it up!
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69 yr old West Londoner now in exile in NN. No-one (not even Mr Grundon) is more excited than me. It's a game changer and a disruptor. Next up? HS2. 'Can't wait.
What’s NN please?.
Shall we have an excitement-off? Sounds like we are both fired up for this 😃
@@alexgrundon2346 Think that I was split down the middle with those that liked the railway, I liked those Southeastern 375’s instead due to their level of comfort, they were also made by Bombardier under their Electrostar fleet, liked the seating plan with tables, smashing doors and door buzzers, something MTR Corporation (Crossrail) Ltd who operate the Liz line trains should learn from.
@@alexgrundon2346 I'd love it, but there's probably a law against it!
Thanks for this episode, guys! I did like Mark's candour and insight. Anyway I am *so* excited! I travel down to London about once a month (from my home in Coventry) for a metropolis fix. As soon as I heard of the opening date, I booked my rail ticket... and the bonus is that I get to sample phase one at Bank. I'm gonna explore each station with relish. Maybe I'll spot one of you at some point? If so, I'll be sure to walk over to say "hello"... hope you enjoy your extra drinking time, Alex! 😉
When I lived in London, I lived and worked in Ealing Broadway. I met my future wife there and unfortunately she lived in Canning Town. So of course what I would do after work is go to her place to visit her, stay for the night and go back in the morning whenever I could. Back then, in commuter traffic (which of course was when I was traveling) it could be 90 minutes of travelling with possible changes at Bank or Paddington. Now with the Elisabeth Line, travel time is down to 31 Minutes. That would have been many a book that I wouldn't have read 😆
Absolutely amazing! Great tour guys 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
A great video you guys. You guys have me hyped to try this new service. Tuesday can't come soon enough. I can't wait to see this for real. Its going to transform the way people travel. Hidden London team doing gods work.
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Given my name, I approve the Aireyness of the stations on the Elizabeth line.
absolutely fantastic love the series with all of you look forward to coming to London to see it all myself.
When the line is one then I will be able to use the Elizabeth line to Stratford.
Loved this ❤️❤️❤️watching again
Great episode. Can't wait to try the Elizabeth Line. Does the museum have a collection of Crossrail plans and publicity material going back over the 30 or so years of planning and consultation?
Nice, I hope to travel on it one day
Hadn’t heard of most of those designers before, think one was the seating material, be nice to see the finished product on the rails, only ever ridden them between Shenfield London.
Crossrail 2 should happen sooner rather than later while all of the expertise is still there.
Re that mat: Ealing Broadway (I think it's that one) has one of those too. Check Geoff's video on that station ;)
Canary wharf is named after the imports from the Canary Islands which themselves are named after dogs. Which is also why it's the Isle of Dogs in London I believe. Thanks TFL for adding to the confusion, the yellow is lovely and reminds me of bananas.
The ‘Station closed’ and ‘Opening soon’ signs at Bond Street have been removed.
33:20 the speed
'lizabeth line luvvies
So the entire length of the original Metropolitan Railway takes just 5 minutes....
Ha good point - hadn't thought of that. Maybe 6 mins but still!
Was this Amersham or Chesham to Aldgate?.
@@jacksugden8190 The ORIGINAL Metropolitan Railway went from Paddington to Farringdon.
@@andrewnelson4057 Knew this, known for years, Pread Street to another location, not the current Farringdon station thou, had some documentation to support this claim from some 40 years ago.
I have a question... and you're the people to ask! Is WiFi available on the trains and stations (I'm referring in particular to the Central underground ones?)
OOOOH GOOD QUESTION. To tell the absolute truth, I am always so enthralled by the design of the place and the trains I never bothered to look at my phone!
@@alexgrundon2346 Ha ha! As it happens I decided to Google it... seems it'll be available at stations but not in tunnels. I'd hoped it'd be available on the trains themselves but it seems not, at least for the time being. Anyway I'll be there tomorrow so I'll just try and see what happens. Presumably you guys will be around... if I spot one of you I'll say hello. *So* looking forward to it!
PLEASE do say hello if you see us. We’ll be there. Abbey Wood end late morning I suspect. Possibly in a pub later 😉
@@alexgrundon2346 Well I get to Euston (coming from Coventry) just after 7am. Will go straight to TCR (stopping only for a takeaway coffee) to catch a train to Paddington. I'll exit and return to TCR via the Bakerloo and Central. The idea is to enter and exit every station so as to view the ticket halls as well as the platform areas. So there's a fair chance I'll reach Abbey Wood Lane morning. Anyway whatever happens I'm sure a good time will be had by all!
If this is correct, the Class 345 units were brought into service in 2017, so not new trains, they have been operating between Liverpool Street and Shenfield, taking over from the old Class 313 units. This week the TFL badge on these trains have been replaced by Elizabeth Line stickers, the trains were extended in length from 7 to 9 carriages earlier this year, these points I have noticed by regular travel in the last year, but its been made out its brand new? And other people from tfl have had exclusive access to these stations aswell, so some of the content and information is not as new as is being portrayed. And as far as I am aware the train layout and upholstery has been there for some time. Just a few observations
Thanks for your observations. Weren’t they class 315 units on TfL Rail, rather than 313s? Has the entire train fleet been in passenger service or have some units been stabled in depots, awaiting need? Are the new carriages introduced to extend the trains newer than the original units? And of the people who were posting from within the business or externally, how many were given express permission to publish their photos and videos before opening? We were. In fact we were invited to be a part of this - and have tried to enthuse people to look forward to its opening and its possibilities. It’s very easy to find fault in people’s work. The kinder thing to do is to just enjoy it. Just observations.
The content and information is new to 99 or thereabouts % of the world. I’d say that’s pretty exclusive. And some of the fan base aren’t in London, or the UK, or Europe, so this is the closest we’ll get to these views for a while. Gratitude wouldn’t go amiss for these good folks and their hard work on our behalf.
The Elizabeth line should attempt to connect Thamesmead, the most poorly linked area in London. It’s closest station is Abby Wood which is too far away
It’s walkable. Not too far at all from Thanesmead to Abbey Wood and buses take people from Thamesmead West to Woolwich
The Elizabeth line & trains may be great in central London but coming in from Reading the trains take at least an hour, most passengers (1500!) are expected to stand, there are no loos and no tables and as the trains stop at every station, in the winter the interior is cold and draughty.
But they are for short hops. If you want a loo, try GWR? Through central London the line is beyond compare.
And… let’s see how it actually feels in winter before we judge.
Does the electrification in the tunnels use conventional catenary or the overhead rail as is used at St. Pancras Thameslink Station?
Yes
Laura looked so happy, I liked her command of the English language. Liked Soddy’s purple.
Thought that the Paddington and Woolwich platforms resembled strikingly those of the JLE at Canary Wharf, if only they had used the Moquette from those wonderful TfL Rail 315 EMU’s within the new design, as so comfy, minus the flame resistance.
I take umbridge with the train designer, didn’t catch the name, in the the units have design floors in them, the seating was far to hard and uncomfortable as stated above…, the door buzzers were intolerable, cooling was too cold, I had to keep on moving from part of the train to another.
The doors are dangerous, recently one almost smashed my shoulder when getting off a train, as too powerful along with those unimpressive announcements about gaps in some platforms that weren’t announced before on the 315 EMU’s.
There should have been more facing seats, + toilets for commuter trains with tables.
Those Elizabeth Line Pin Badges are on eBay bidding at an amazing £21.00 earlier.
I’m going to start calling Siddy Soddy, as you mentioned. Makes me chuckle
@@alexgrundon2346 Alex I would love to meet Siddy, as she’s such a beautiful star ⭐️, she’s so cool and approachable, love her to bits.
Wow - I thought Paul Marchant couldn't walk. - I've only ever seen him sitting down (over covid) and I thought he had assumed he had a serious birth defect (as he has a Ian Dury like body) so it was so shocking to see him walking.
Does/will the Elizabeth Line accept the Oyster Card?
Yes!
So no words on the Elizabeth Line priority seats. I find young able bodied passengers sit on priority seat stuck in their phones taking no notice of vulnerable people. I am ambulant disabled if no one offers up their seat which means I am thrown around the carriage. Then a more mature person will offer up their seat.
Alex, you didn't tell us the journey time !
I did! At 55 mins into the show. 55 mins by current means. Now 25 with Liz Line
Dozed off halfway through - not a remark upon the episode - not feeling well but made effort to tune in, looking forward to next one
Hope you feel better 👍🏻
What happened to episode Ten? Episode Nine is there. The same is true for episode eleven. There is no episode ten.
I can’t count.
So you are not running so you last the race
Ada lovelace WAS NOT a "computer programmer" ffs.
Why are you still doing zoom meetings ?
Good point, it could be that they lived in different parts of town.
Easy, efficient and it’s now house style
@@alexgrundon2346 Hi Alex, how goes it in the HLH team?, looking like a nice day on this fine Sunday, off for a Sunday roast a little later 👍.
Because they’re efficient. This isn’t the only job these good people have, you know. How about a little gratitude for their hard work.
@@Hannahtheredhead2454 it was just a question.
Why does this video feel like something from the dark days of the pandemic? Get in the same room people!
It’s practically impossible to get all our diaries to marry up for meeting up every week. And the pandemic has opened up possibilities like this using Zoom and other apps to make TV. We meet on station visits but this home studio thing has become our “house style” and people seem to appreciate the homely, conversational feel. So for now, we’ll keep it this way. If we had to pay for camera operators we could not afford to offer episodes for free.
Rude. They all have other jobs. Maybe a little gratitude for their efforts? Or a restraint of tongue and pen if you feel compelled to be unpleasant.
@@Hannahtheredhead2454 Get a life, Jennifer. RUclips videos are a money making business. I'm entitled to review and provide feedback if I want. So wind your neck in.
@@Hannahtheredhead2454 you always have to comment on everything with your "maybe do blah thing instead of blah" don't you?
@@RWL2012 yup. It’s called civil public discourse. Maybe try it. Because negativity sucks.
No doubt all the bigwigs will get knighthoods, mbes and all the rest of it for this monumental failure to build something ontime and on budget, nothing changes.
They’re called “estimates” and “budgets” for a reason, you know. If things go right and all the predictions and assumptions turn out to be correct then you meet them. If there are surprises then you don’t.
I think that society (including government) has far too simplistic a view of the complexities involved in any of the engineering disciplines which leads to the sort of ignorant rhetoric that gets chucked about in the press.
I hope they get all the honors. To have woven these tracks and tunnels and stations into the complicated web of London transport was nothing short of a triumph of civil engineering. Maybe read the room and celebrate the moment in history, rather than grump about done deeds.
@@Hannahtheredhead2454 "maybe" stop telling people what to do.
The bickwork mentioned is laid in "Flemish Bond" . The "(English) Garden Wall" is a different style. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brickwork#English_bond
Incredible knowledge - how do you know? are you a brick expert?
@@alexgrundon2346 LOL. I used to get up close and personal to a lot of brickwork when i was a Technical officer on BR, examining bridges and tunnels.
WELCOME TO THE FAMILY!
@@alexgrundon2346 Thanks. I've also worked on the Subsurface lines of LU and the central and JNP so seeing your videos rekindles memories. As a safety officer i had the opportunity of numerous track walks including the Kennington loop and Golders green to chalk farm through "North end" station.