While I genuinely don't care about a marginal dmg difference and optimization in general, you made me use leaping thrust a while ago. The change in playstyle felt really rewarding and made me appreciate the game even more. So for this reason alone, your work deserves to be seen and recognized.
Thank you! The main aim of my videos is to get more people to enjoy the most underrated weapon in the game. Hearing that one of my videos has made you appreciate the game more is really cool!
Dude, same! I always liked Leaping Thrust in past games, even if I used it mainly as a repositioning tool. Shield Bash is nice for complete turtling, but Leaping Thrust being able to block on the hop is SO dang nice, especially when you're a Guard 5 / Guard Up 3 pleb like me :P
Hello! That's my reddit post! Thanks for going over it more. Your last point there is why I generally maintained that LT > Poke > Poke was the standard bread and butter combo, just much more consistent to land. The long commitment for CWS makes it generally less safe too as you can't respond as quickly.
Thank you for going through the absolute mess of determining these combos and relaying your findings in such an easy-to-digest format. It really helps, especially for those who are trying to improve their lance game and are already at the point of using maximized builds comfortably.
really cool outro art. you're doing great work for the lance community. Though I myself will still unga bunga leap slap leap. how does one join the lance mafia asking for a friend
I was using the Leaping thrust and Charged wide sweep combo from the beginning of Sunbreak since it was said to be the best combo for damage. However recently I changed my combo preference to the Leaping thrust poke poke combo because I realized that the sweep sometimes hit other hit zones on the monster instead of the one that I was targeting. When that happened, the sweep damage was reduced so I decided that it was better to be consistent and double poke instead of sweeping.
Honestly, same. I know the Charged Sweep is really good, and I'll use it if I have an opening and know what it'll hit, but it just feels so clunky and awkward to me. I prefer Leap spam or Leap+Poke. More fun anyway, imo.
Okay so I have literally just discovered you. I have been feeling pretty meh about what weapon I feel like running. So I thought yeah I'll give lance a go and found your video on being a lance pro. Mate, I love the way you explain things and break everything right down. It's been super helpful and I haven't felt so excited about a playstyle in a long time. So I just want to say, thank you very much for doing what you do. It is tremendously appreciated and I cannot stress that enough.
hey mate I'm kinda new into the lance game, first time playing in sunbreak since 4 monster hunter game, cause I didn't see a flashy move. But after some testing I think this weapon is incredible in term of feeling and since this time i Main it. I want to thanks you and your community (y I reading all of the comment, seeing you guys) for let me understanding and having a better gameplay with our lovely weapon. all of your video are calm, clear and chill, your work deserve a lot more visibility. force may be with you mate ! Ps I'm a french guy sry for my very poor english hope my comment will be understandable.
So glad for your videos. The thing with some lances possibly charging faster reminds me alot of the gunlance hitboxes thing, basically the length of the gl you are using actually matters because it determines how big your hitbox is and where it will spawn the shell hitboxes. Its completely stupid because by design some gls will just be worse because of this. Some lances charging faster could be a similar situation. Maybe it has to do with the size or thickness of the lance basically forcing the game to load more for the charge animation compared to slimmer lances causing a minimal delay or some shit like that. Not impossible to think of.
Beyond taking into consideration how much time you have to pull off a combo when an opportunity to attack a monster presents itself, you also have to think about whether or not that monster's physical movements can potentially affect how your combos damage them, especially while they're toppled or paralyzed. For example, in your chart at 5:01 in your video, you point out that the "leap poke poke" combo is better against Daimyo Hermitaur. See, the thing is, even if it wasn't better, it's still my go-to combo when fighting Daimyo every time it's toppled, simply because any kind of charged sweep can end up with the player accidentally hitting a bad hitzone like its claws or its legs. The same applies with Tigrex being paralyzed, since it constantly twitches its head during its paralyzed state, which can mean that a charged sweep can easily miss while its head happens to be twitching upwards. These are things that you have to consider on a case-by-case basis depending on the situation. Anyone who plays Lance can't just autopilot their way with combos. I'm not saying this to you, Gobul, since you clearly demonstrated with that Rajang example at the end of your video that you know what I'm talking about, but a lot of people watching your video might look at your charts and taking them as gospel without understanding all the caveats that go into playing lance (and that, in practice, you can't just use mindlessly spam the same combos in every situation even if it's theoretically optimal on paper).
I've mostly been using the Blood Rite+Peak Performance lance just because that's what I personally prefer using, but I do appreciate the nature of explaining why certain combo loops are better/worse. One thing I will say as I've gotten better and better is how interesting lance's combos factor in guarding hits as part of the loop. Not just perfect guarding, but using guard dash to block something and go into a leaping thrust that way. It isn't always the best to do a full combo on an aggressive monster, but the fact that the main loop gives leeway for it no matter what is a really fun part of lance's moment-to-moment gameplay.
This is so unintuitive. The Charged Wide Sweep has different names depending on how long you charge it in the Training Grounds, but apparently they all do the same amount of damage, so getting the "Number 1" is optimal. Clearing that up is appreciated. I'm not a speedrunner, but I do enjoy getting better at playing my favorite weapon. I play a bit safer when a monster is angry and moving around a lot, but I do try to use the "optimal combo" when it's down, at the very least. Well, I guess I'll be slightly more efficient at taking advantage of knockdowns from now on. You're also the one who helped me understand how useful Leaping Thrust is both offensively and defensively, so thank you for that.
Hey, Gobul! First of all, I just wanted to say thanks for all these videos, dude! Lance has always been a long-time fave of mine, and I've been falling in love with it all over again in Sunbreak, largely thanks to you. I did wanna ask your opinion on one thing though. Which Lances would you recommend if I wanna make an Elemental Lance simply for variety's sake, and don't particularly mind losing a little bit of optimization in the long run (i.e. I don't wanna make, say... a Zinogre AND a Narwa Lance and set for specific matchups). Which Lances would give me the most bang for my buck in that case? I was assuming something like Silverlos, Ludroth or Mizu, Zinogre, Sharktooth, and Valstrax?
I'm glad i heard about not needing to fully charge the charge wide sweep to deal full damage! I did 2 hunts with my bros just now and my damage skyrocketed on downed monsters!
On a somewhat related note, do you think you could one day test out the DPS of a classic Iceborne lance combo? I'm just curious how well the good old "triple poke into a dash finisher" bread-and-butter combo from World and Iceborne compares to the max damage combos of Lance in Sunbreak.
Another factor could be control set up. I use a PS4 controller to play and there is a strange delay on charged wide sweep, it takes almost a second to start charging compared to what i see other people do in videos. So p much every other combo is "better" for me. Every once in a while the charged wide sweep works well for me, but it's so inconsistent and feels bad with being vulnerable for variable amounts of time.
Thanks so much for the great breakdown! I have a slightly unrelated Q: at 1:37 you managed to activate the insta-block even though I believe the animation was over. How did you do this? Does it have to do with power guard? Thanks!
After a back hop, how do you instant jump forward into the three hit poke? When I try I’m getting the shield advancing guard first then the hop into the e hit poke.
RE the diff charge times across lances - not so much insight but a possibility: could it be a discrepancy in animation rather than true charge time? I.e. if you release Charged Wide Sweep with Valstrax with the correct timing but before the flash animation do you get full damage? Asking because I have no hope of knowing the timing without the animation signalling to me
While I genuinely don't care about a marginal dmg difference and optimization in general, you made me use leaping thrust a while ago. The change in playstyle felt really rewarding and made me appreciate the game even more. So for this reason alone, your work deserves to be seen and recognized.
Thank you! The main aim of my videos is to get more people to enjoy the most underrated weapon in the game. Hearing that one of my videos has made you appreciate the game more is really cool!
It's great when optimization makes the game more fun and not just you fighting a small barrel bomb instead of the monster.
Dude, same! I always liked Leaping Thrust in past games, even if I used it mainly as a repositioning tool. Shield Bash is nice for complete turtling, but Leaping Thrust being able to block on the hop is SO dang nice, especially when you're a Guard 5 / Guard Up 3 pleb like me :P
Hello! That's my reddit post! Thanks for going over it more.
Your last point there is why I generally maintained that LT > Poke > Poke was the standard bread and butter combo, just much more consistent to land. The long commitment for CWS makes it generally less safe too as you can't respond as quickly.
I really feel that moment in the gameplay at 10:00 Two misses with anchor rage cus lucent just doesn't wanna play ball :(
Thank you for going through the absolute mess of determining these combos and relaying your findings in such an easy-to-digest format. It really helps, especially for those who are trying to improve their lance game and are already at the point of using maximized builds comfortably.
really cool outro art.
you're doing great work for the lance community. Though I myself will still unga bunga leap slap leap.
how does one join the lance mafia asking for a friend
Just took a break from doing an investigation and saw your new video pop up 👌
I was using the Leaping thrust and Charged wide sweep combo from the beginning of Sunbreak since it was said to be the best combo for damage. However recently I changed my combo preference to the Leaping thrust poke poke combo because I realized that the sweep sometimes hit other hit zones on the monster instead of the one that I was targeting. When that happened, the sweep damage was reduced so I decided that it was better to be consistent and double poke instead of sweeping.
Honestly, same. I know the Charged Sweep is really good, and I'll use it if I have an opening and know what it'll hit, but it just feels so clunky and awkward to me. I prefer Leap spam or Leap+Poke. More fun anyway, imo.
Love the Lance content. As a Lance only player, I really appreciate it.
Okay so I have literally just discovered you. I have been feeling pretty meh about what weapon I feel like running. So I thought yeah I'll give lance a go and found your video on being a lance pro.
Mate, I love the way you explain things and break everything right down. It's been super helpful and I haven't felt so excited about a playstyle in a long time.
So I just want to say, thank you very much for doing what you do. It is tremendously appreciated and I cannot stress that enough.
hey mate I'm kinda new into the lance game, first time playing in sunbreak since 4 monster hunter game, cause I didn't see a flashy move. But after some testing I think this weapon is incredible in term of feeling and since this time i Main it. I want to thanks you and your community (y I reading all of the comment, seeing you guys) for let me understanding and having a better gameplay with our lovely weapon. all of your video are calm, clear and chill, your work deserve a lot more visibility. force may be with you mate !
Ps I'm a french guy sry for my very poor english hope my comment will be understandable.
So glad for your videos. The thing with some lances possibly charging faster reminds me alot of the gunlance hitboxes thing, basically the length of the gl you are using actually matters because it determines how big your hitbox is and where it will spawn the shell hitboxes. Its completely stupid because by design some gls will just be worse because of this. Some lances charging faster could be a similar situation. Maybe it has to do with the size or thickness of the lance basically forcing the game to load more for the charge animation compared to slimmer lances causing a minimal delay or some shit like that. Not impossible to think of.
Beyond taking into consideration how much time you have to pull off a combo when an opportunity to attack a monster presents itself, you also have to think about whether or not that monster's physical movements can potentially affect how your combos damage them, especially while they're toppled or paralyzed.
For example, in your chart at 5:01 in your video, you point out that the "leap poke poke" combo is better against Daimyo Hermitaur. See, the thing is, even if it wasn't better, it's still my go-to combo when fighting Daimyo every time it's toppled, simply because any kind of charged sweep can end up with the player accidentally hitting a bad hitzone like its claws or its legs. The same applies with Tigrex being paralyzed, since it constantly twitches its head during its paralyzed state, which can mean that a charged sweep can easily miss while its head happens to be twitching upwards. These are things that you have to consider on a case-by-case basis depending on the situation. Anyone who plays Lance can't just autopilot their way with combos.
I'm not saying this to you, Gobul, since you clearly demonstrated with that Rajang example at the end of your video that you know what I'm talking about, but a lot of people watching your video might look at your charts and taking them as gospel without understanding all the caveats that go into playing lance (and that, in practice, you can't just use mindlessly spam the same combos in every situation even if it's theoretically optimal on paper).
I've mostly been using the Blood Rite+Peak Performance lance just because that's what I personally prefer using, but I do appreciate the nature of explaining why certain combo loops are better/worse. One thing I will say as I've gotten better and better is how interesting lance's combos factor in guarding hits as part of the loop. Not just perfect guarding, but using guard dash to block something and go into a leaping thrust that way. It isn't always the best to do a full combo on an aggressive monster, but the fact that the main loop gives leeway for it no matter what is a really fun part of lance's moment-to-moment gameplay.
Heeeyyy great video, keep it up!
This is so unintuitive. The Charged Wide Sweep has different names depending on how long you charge it in the Training Grounds, but apparently they all do the same amount of damage, so getting the "Number 1" is optimal. Clearing that up is appreciated. I'm not a speedrunner, but I do enjoy getting better at playing my favorite weapon. I play a bit safer when a monster is angry and moving around a lot, but I do try to use the "optimal combo" when it's down, at the very least. Well, I guess I'll be slightly more efficient at taking advantage of knockdowns from now on.
You're also the one who helped me understand how useful Leaping Thrust is both offensively and defensively, so thank you for that.
Hey, Gobul! First of all, I just wanted to say thanks for all these videos, dude! Lance has always been a long-time fave of mine, and I've been falling in love with it all over again in Sunbreak, largely thanks to you.
I did wanna ask your opinion on one thing though. Which Lances would you recommend if I wanna make an Elemental Lance simply for variety's sake, and don't particularly mind losing a little bit of optimization in the long run (i.e. I don't wanna make, say... a Zinogre AND a Narwa Lance and set for specific matchups). Which Lances would give me the most bang for my buck in that case? I was assuming something like Silverlos, Ludroth or Mizu, Zinogre, Sharktooth, and Valstrax?
I'm glad i heard about not needing to fully charge the charge wide sweep to deal full damage! I did 2 hunts with my bros just now and my damage skyrocketed on downed monsters!
Ive been on lance for the last 2 weeks with gaismagorm purple. Worth every second of my time using leaping thrust and sweeps
On a somewhat related note, do you think you could one day test out the DPS of a classic Iceborne lance combo? I'm just curious how well the good old "triple poke into a dash finisher" bread-and-butter combo from World and Iceborne compares to the max damage combos of Lance in Sunbreak.
I m not sure about Combo word was used in this vidéo :3
Nice vid has usually !
Another factor could be control set up. I use a PS4 controller to play and there is a strange delay on charged wide sweep, it takes almost a second to start charging compared to what i see other people do in videos. So p much every other combo is "better" for me. Every once in a while the charged wide sweep works well for me, but it's so inconsistent and feels bad with being vulnerable for variable amounts of time.
Thanks so much for the great breakdown! I have a slightly unrelated Q: at 1:37 you managed to activate the insta-block even though I believe the animation was over. How did you do this? Does it have to do with power guard? Thanks!
Wait I just realized that you’re TarkeCat.
After a back hop, how do you instant jump forward into the three hit poke? When I try I’m getting the shield advancing guard first then the hop into the e hit poke.
RE the diff charge times across lances - not so much insight but a possibility: could it be a discrepancy in animation rather than true charge time? I.e. if you release Charged Wide Sweep with Valstrax with the correct timing but before the flash animation do you get full damage? Asking because I have no hope of knowing the timing without the animation signalling to me
wow i actually didnt know that charged wide sweep has a timing like GS. thanks for enlightening me.
Imagine you know best combos but miss the roar buff🤭
Why does frame rate affect the combos damage?
should I try lance or gunlance as an amateur?
Lance is 👑
Bruh what lance mafia, no one plays lance right?
That's what they want you to think. How will anyone catch em if people don't even believe in lance players existing.
U will know when we are there because we are first on the scene w the pokes. Very aggressive
Any thoughts on the queens passing