I recently took a visit to Texas and got to play at Pala. First class facility and the owner Lindsay was so nice to me even though it was my first time playing there. Highly recommended
Great interview with really good questions. Thank you. She has some really good ideas. As far as 'service work', most players will do ONE game, that's all they want to do, almost all players want to win, nothing else. I've asked partners to ease up on an opponent, all of them got mad at me, yes all. Large indoor facilities are becoming more common, especially within malls. IMO, $60 a month is very reasonable (think of it as only $2 a day to play). In Tempe AZ, Pickleball Kingdom is $85 - $110 a month (you can only reserve ONE hour a week). Legacy Pickleball at Bell Park is $59 a month but is poorly run and in chapter 11 after only a little over one year of opening. Have a great Memorial weekend.
Yeah the mall concepts are interesting. Anyone know if they’re using a court surface and what the prices are? $60/month for as much play as you want is hard to beat. Happy holidays as well.
I would love to know how they are profitable after all the infrastructure and capital costs? Not to mention taxes in Texas on property as well as employee cost, insurance, and utilities. I cannot for the life of me figure out how this endeavor is profitable.
@@buildingpickleball I own a business, and considering these costs/risks associated with this business model is intriguing and perplexing. When I put pen to paper, I do not see a path to profitability and longevity.
I believe a key component, which I had learned from another facility owner, is the food and beverage aspect. I agree, I and many others are very curious. That's why I also had to ask about competing with parks.
You have to check out Eastside Paddle Club in East Austin, TX ! Newest and only indoor club in the heart of downtown. You mentioned ATX needed something like this well it’s here 🎉
Considering they have 350 members at $60 a month at the very least, that means their gross income per month is $21,000 at the very least. Multiplied by 12, that is $252,000 per year just off of memberships (This is also assuming nobody else signs up or cancels their memberships, which in either case is not likely to happen). Considering Texas does NOT have a franchise tax on businesses with revenues under $2.47million, it is safe to say they do not need to pay tax on the income. Im going to assume that this facility is about 30,000 square feet and price the property at $19 per square feet, making my guess for the property to be about $570,000. Taking into account that Texas has a 1.60% property tax, and assuming that this facility is priced at $570,000, I am going to assume their property taxes per year is $9,120. At a very modest estimate, I would guess the courts were each $30,000 on average, coming out to another $570,000 just in pickleball courts. With all that said, I would guess their total investment is somewhere close to $1.7m (Taking into account plumbing, electrical, etc.), and I would guess it would take them at least a decade before they are profitable with all of the additions they have, such as a bar, kitchen, and a staff. Again, these are just estimates, but this is a very moderate guess at how much their initial investment was.
Pickleball in the Manila is still young, as it was introduced in 2018. Pickleball has great potentials, portable courts are popping up in the gym, on the street, outside shopping mall, in school (as P.E. in some provinces). It is booming I may say because new coaches starting young players that are starting to improve. I'll try to give demo of the sport in other parts of Manila and nearby provinces when I get there in June. Yes, I'll watch your upcoming episode. Thank you...good luck and keep up with the great contents.
Such a great pod. Wish there was more venues like this in San Diego. The Hub is just a start in the right direction, but it has lots of problems. Does the monthly fee mean unlimited time on court? 3hrs at least, everyday if you want.
Yeah that’s a good question. How’s the scene in SD? Wish we had this in Austin as well, esp with the weather conditions. Thanks for taking the time to watch and support the channel.
Great interview and it sounds like some awesome people behind PALA. Not sure I understand the dislike of paddle stacking when you have big crowds- we all like it at my indoor facility; you play two games, regardless of win/loss. What PALA is doing seems like they are asking for people to get overlooked, skipped and frustrated during open play. Not intentionally of course. (maybe I just don’t understand their process)
Yeah I couldn’t really get the answer I was looking for on the paddle stacking, like why being against it. The selection method is subject to more variables while paddle stacking seems pretty objective?
19:27 Maybe the reason they aren’t being taken seriously, is that both her and her husband were in the addiction space, and now they are now opening a bar, and getting MICHELOB sponsorships.
You know, most people who would consume alcohol aren't addicts. Adults are still allowed to enjoy adult activities. And also, if not for the bar, it might be difficult to sustain income and stay open at all.
What do you think? Would you pay $60/month for an indoor facility or continue to go to a free park? Comment below with your thoughts! Remember to visit vuori.com/buildingpickleball for a 20% discount off your first purchase
As someone interested in starting a pickleball business I’d be curious to know what the key roles are in the business, and what the key responsibilities would look like for each role.
I live in Houston, and I play at Pala. Awesome place! My love for the game has increased greatly thanks to their leagues and open play.
That’s great to hear. How’s their open play/no paddle stacking working out?
Great interview, both of you!
thank you, Kate! Thanks for watching.
Great interview ….how much money approx is needed to build such indoor courts
I recently took a visit to Texas and got to play at Pala. First class facility and the owner Lindsay was so nice to me even though it was my first time playing there. Highly recommended
Awesome you got to check it out!
Friggin great interview! I subbed so fast
Thanks for watching and the sub 🙌
What an amazing interview! Worth listening all the way through.
Agreed! Thanks for taking the time to listen.
I know this is a older video.....but so makes me want to travel from the UK. Looks and sounds amazing.
Great interview with really good questions. Thank you. She has some really good ideas. As far as 'service work', most players will do ONE game, that's all they want to do, almost all players want to win, nothing else. I've asked partners to ease up on an opponent, all of them got mad at me, yes all. Large indoor facilities are becoming more common, especially within malls. IMO, $60 a month is very reasonable (think of it as only $2 a day to play). In Tempe AZ, Pickleball Kingdom is $85 - $110 a month (you can only reserve ONE hour a week). Legacy Pickleball at Bell Park is $59 a month but is poorly run and in chapter 11 after only a little over one year of opening. Have a great Memorial weekend.
Yeah the mall concepts are interesting. Anyone know if they’re using a court surface and what the prices are? $60/month for as much play as you want is hard to beat. Happy holidays as well.
Loving your content - keep up the good work!
thank you, I really appreciate the feedback!
I would love to know how they are profitable after all the infrastructure and capital costs? Not to mention taxes in Texas on property as well as employee cost, insurance, and utilities. I cannot for the life of me figure out how this endeavor is profitable.
Yeah that’s a good question. The point about property taxes in Texas is very true. Not sure how different it is for businesses?
@@buildingpickleball I own a business, and considering these costs/risks associated with this business model is intriguing and perplexing. When I put pen to paper, I do not see a path to profitability and longevity.
I believe a key component, which I had learned from another facility owner, is the food and beverage aspect. I agree, I and many others are very curious. That's why I also had to ask about competing with parks.
@@buildingpickleballI might have missed but were you able to discuss cost to get it started?
I wish they went into more if the financial part/construction of actually building the facility
Appreciate the feedback. I’ll be sure to ask that in the next facility episode. Seems to be a very popular question/topic.
I think it’s better not to. Let those who want to know do the home work themselves. Every location is different and the build out will vary.
Amazing interview! Love what you are doing.
Thank you, really appreciate the feedback.
You have to check out Eastside Paddle Club in East Austin, TX ! Newest and only indoor club in the heart of downtown. You mentioned ATX needed something like this well it’s here 🎉
How much did it cost to build the indoor facility? What's your estimated payback time on the investment? TIA!
Considering they have 350 members at $60 a month at the very least, that means their gross income per month is $21,000 at the very least. Multiplied by 12, that is $252,000 per year just off of memberships (This is also assuming nobody else signs up or cancels their memberships, which in either case is not likely to happen). Considering Texas does NOT have a franchise tax on businesses with revenues under $2.47million, it is safe to say they do not need to pay tax on the income. Im going to assume that this facility is about 30,000 square feet and price the property at $19 per square feet, making my guess for the property to be about $570,000. Taking into account that Texas has a 1.60% property tax, and assuming that this facility is priced at $570,000, I am going to assume their property taxes per year is $9,120. At a very modest estimate, I would guess the courts were each $30,000 on average, coming out to another $570,000 just in pickleball courts.
With all that said, I would guess their total investment is somewhere close to $1.7m (Taking into account plumbing, electrical, etc.), and I would guess it would take them at least a decade before they are profitable with all of the additions they have, such as a bar, kitchen, and a staff. Again, these are just estimates, but this is a very moderate guess at how much their initial investment was.
Great topic, with great insights about business aspect. I've been thinking to start pickleball courts in Manila when I get back home.
How's the scene in Manila? You may find this next episode coming out on Thursday really helpful for court design.
Pickleball in the Manila is still young, as it was introduced in 2018. Pickleball has great potentials, portable courts are popping up in the gym, on the street, outside shopping mall, in school (as P.E. in some provinces). It is booming I may say because new coaches starting young players that are starting to improve.
I'll try to give demo of the sport in other parts of Manila and nearby provinces when I get there in June. Yes, I'll watch your upcoming episode. Thank you...good luck and keep up with the great contents.
Come to Phoenix! Tons of players here
where at??
@Building Pickleball every court is filled in all our parks
Such a great pod. Wish there was more venues like this in San Diego. The Hub is just a start in the right direction, but it has lots of problems. Does the monthly fee mean unlimited time on court? 3hrs at least, everyday if you want.
Yeah that’s a good question. How’s the scene in SD? Wish we had this in Austin as well, esp with the weather conditions.
Thanks for taking the time to watch and support the channel.
What is paddle stacking? Thank you.
Creating a line for who is next on the court by stacking paddles (typically either stacks of 2 or 4 paddles)
Great interview and it sounds like some awesome people behind PALA. Not sure I understand the dislike of paddle stacking when you have big crowds- we all like it at my indoor facility; you play two games, regardless of win/loss.
What PALA is doing seems like they are asking for people to get overlooked, skipped and frustrated during open play. Not intentionally of course. (maybe I just don’t understand their process)
Yeah I couldn’t really get the answer I was looking for on the paddle stacking, like why being against it.
The selection method is subject to more variables while paddle stacking seems pretty objective?
@@buildingpickleball that’s a good way of putting it.
Sic concept PALA I love it
19:27 Maybe the reason they aren’t being taken seriously, is that both her and her husband were in the addiction space, and now they are now opening a bar, and getting MICHELOB sponsorships.
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You know, most people who would consume alcohol aren't addicts. Adults are still allowed to enjoy adult activities. And also, if not for the bar, it might be difficult to sustain income and stay open at all.
What do you think? Would you pay $60/month for an indoor facility or continue to go to a free park? Comment below with your thoughts!
Remember to visit vuori.com/buildingpickleball for a 20% discount off your first purchase
Does that include court use fees?. Or unlimited use.. that's the question. Or is it year membership plus 30/40/50 dollar an hour court rental fee?..
Open play is free, court rentals free, with membership
I pay it and love Pala. So much better than a free park. All the owners and staff are great people.
@@kaitlynmyers9311 what a steal!
@@RobertMinor-vr6nw 100%. Owners and staff are great and def an added bonus to going to a facility.
Cost and profit margins are not discussed right ?
I need to get into that more with the next facility guest.
As someone interested in starting a pickleball business I’d be curious to know what the key roles are in the business, and what the key responsibilities would look like for each role.
@@brianckaufman definitely. I’m trying to talk to more facilities folks. Starting with tomorrow. Will keep y’all posted.
great podcast. very enjoyable
Thank you. If you don’t mind me asking, what made it enjoyable?
good questions + interesting guest @@buildingpickleball
awesome, thank you for the response, @@RiomaWF
California isn’t so bad? Huh? Ever heard of Gavin Newsom? 🤢
pala needs fences to prevent balls from getting everywhere
Can’t argue w that. I think it’s mostly the middle courts? The rest seems fenced off pretty well?
@@buildingpickleball I think the courts are grouped in twos, and courts in each pair aren't fenced from each other. Not sure why, seems deliberate.
I have no interest in playing with someone who is "not so good"
pickleball has more open play than ANY other sport... BY FAR... so what she is saying is kinda bs
Hope her family did not bring their California ideology to Texas!
If you mean their good vibes, yes, they did. They kept the avocado toast back in CA, though.