I have a Baja squadron on my EXC and keep blowing the fuse when I shift out of N after starting it. Trying to figure out why putting a load on the engine blows the fuse.
I sure wish the stator on my 2005 KTM 450 EXC was capable of charging my battery while running my Tusk Enduro Light Kit and Thumper Jockey Enduro 3000 lights that pull 26W….Good thing you’ve got a video showing how to float the ground in that one, huh?!
biggest thing when we were doing hard enduro is multiple restarts and the fan was running all the time, not just when the bike is on. I would just reccomend putting fan to circuit when only running when bike is on (headlight).
@@joedwyerjoe bikes cool off faster if the motor is running at idle or low rpm and fan running than bike off. It keeps the coolant moving and radiating heat
I know of one that died at king of motos but it was running the tusk fan and the Trailtech gps that draws more than the light I run. Still no issue for me and I’ve gotten it hot with the light on in real world situations
it’s got to be the battery you are running, it’s 9ah and stock is 2ah plus the upgraded 240 cranking amps. i have just ordered one for mine as my battery dies every weekend doing hard enduro, i tried another stock battery from my 450 with same result. Will also have to ditch my trail tech fan for the tusk you are running which has half the draw. In short you have the right setup and thanks for sharing.
Thanks man. Yeah, I got the bike out into some real world stuff last weekend and zero issues. Fan on, light on, hot ass bike and no problems. Another key that I didn't mention, is that bikes cool off faster if the motor is at least running while the fan is on. So sitting there with the bike off and fan running isn't helping make things cooler very fast. The coolant needs to be circulating to really radiate heat. You will like the battery. It fires that bike up so fast.
Replaced the stator, rect and battery on my '13 KTM 990Adv after I checked battery voltage running, full load (hibeam signals fan grips) and was seeing 13.2v. Advice of some 990 owners said 14.2v+ is normal. 14.2v is incorrect for a KTM 990. After replacing it all it charges, full load 13.2v. My 2016 KAW C14 charges at 14.2v, period, Load or no load. Both have EarthX etx24c batteries.
Yeah, when I first tested the stator (right after i bough the bike) with nothing on it, it showed 13.2. I was like "Crap that's low" but then I did the last test and it was still 13.2 and now it is still 13.2. Must be that it is supposed to be.
@@highlandcycles Could be set to 13.2V because it has a lithium battery from the factory. It is better not wind those batteries up tight charging them to 100% and 14+ volts. Unlike lead acid, lithium batteries last a lot longer if kept partially charged. 13.2 is perfect EZ/PZ partially charged voltage for the lithium battery. I bet that battery will last a long time.
Guess I dont understand checking the voltage while its running, is there a reason other than the stator or regulator being bad that it would show less than 13?
The worry is that the stator doesn’t produce enough voltage to charge the battery while a fan and light are running (lower output than years past) so this test was to really tax the charging system and see if it would work.
@@highlandcycles ok, I was under the impression that the stator and regulator are designed to put out 12 volts. Isnt wattage what you would test for and whether or not the battery is charged after you shut it off with say a load tester before and after? The test you did clearly worked and I would say they run a fan fine.
@@billypulsipher1544 you are right as far as what really drains the battery. And some other folks have tested with fancy testers but I wanted to do more of a real world test. And battery voltage is the easiest way to see if the stator is keeping up. If it weren’t my meter would have showed less than 13. And there has also been a lot of discussion about the fact that the system is only putting out 13.2 v Traditional systems will spike up to 14.5 or so when revved.
@billypulsipher1544 a fully charged lead- acid battery is 12.86V I believe. I know these aren't using lead-acid but you get my point.You can't charge a "12v" battery with only twelve volts. Most cars charge in the 14.4-14.6v range at full output.
Morgan u really put that thing through the ringer. U can bring a little jumper with you on the next ride run both light and fan and see if it drains after continuous hours of riding. Do you know if i can run the trail tech fan on my 23 xc ??
@@maximumeffort8829 I think it has to do with horsepower and over rev. The more output from a stator, the more it robs power and rpm. These things rev to the moon and I think that is what KTM was going for. A ridiculous motor and they got it.
@@highlandcycles ive had mine for 3 weeks and still havent rode it cause i am waiting for my truck from the shop. I am coming from a honda 450R so i hope this bike is a lot more COMFORTABLE in the trails. My 450 is a tank, and reliable but a bull in a china shop especially in enduro situations.
With the charging system putting out 14 bolts when you rev it there shouldn’t be an issue. You started the bike in the video about 5 times more than I would have in a 2 hr ride, my guess is if you continued to draw that much juice then yes eventually the bike would be dead. However from my point of view if your killing and restarting the bike as much as did then your not riding, that’s called I don’t now how to ride and I killed my battery starting the bike.
Why not actually check the stator output? With the bike idling unhook the battery positive while keeping a volt meter in series on amps dc and see what the value is. Then turn on lights, fan, ect and see if it goes to a negative value. If it does, it's no longer charging. The starter will be irrelevant once you know that. Realistically the battery should allow for about 50 starts anyways so unless you're doing that all day it doesn't show much
Others have checked it with fancy meters and it suggests that this setup will work but I want to test real world to make sure. The battery should start it a bunch but it wouldn't stay above 13.1V after as many starts as I did in this video with the fan and light running also. I have seen them drop below 12 with less draw in a shorter amount of time. Also, the fact that it still goes up a bit with revs says to me that it is charging. Now if you had a battery that was a bit worn out or stopped and let the fan and light run while the motor was off for too long, you might end up with a problem. But again, other folks have tested the true output and this light and fan set up are under the wattage. I just wanted to beat up on it with the starter and see.
@highlandcycles I think a couple hour ride might be a better real world test but I see what your saying. Also it doesn't take a "fancy meter", almost guarantee your volt meter will also check amps and that'll always be a better test than voltage. Inductive or high current would be fancier but I agree probably not necessary. Now add hand warmers and see what happens! Haha
@@cdr188 oh I know I don’t need the fancy stuff. I’m just friends with motominded and they have that equipment since they do big lights and stuff. They tested it and all signs point to it being good. And I don’t think I have ever started a bike that many times in one day of riding. Not even soloing the 1K.
In real Hard Enduro testing en Quito, Ecuador at high elevation (+3000msnm) and around 25°C ... oem stator don't deliver enough power to run oem Spal Fan kit for long time ... The battery will discharge during wery long climbing and the fan will start to run low, loosing the cooling purpose of it until you start loosing coolant and baterry died ... Then it became necesary to get back and bumpstart it downhill to save the day. Now i have to try to rewire the stator with bigger gage wire and see if it solve the problem... Otherwise the bike is useless for real Hard Enduro use ... Husky TX300 TBI 2023 Love the bike, just great on every aspect .. just screwed with the oem stator output 😢 (Really a mistery to me how KTM keep making such strange choices ... stator problem have been very comon in the past ...) Thank for tour content @Highland Cycles
How could KTM produce an expensive bike with all their experience and use a too weak stator ?.....ya gotta wonder !....takes cost savings to the extreme
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How would you go about installing a fan system on a 2000 ktm 200mxc?
I probably wouldn’t unless I could find a lighting coil for it
@ I guess I can just ride faster for more air flow lol 😂
Thanks for your videos, I'm laid off and always look forward to them, takes my mind off things even if it's a short one.
Glad you like them!
Thanks for doing theses videos. I'm waiting for a TX300 and you've answered a lot of questions I had about it.
Awesome. Let us know if you have any more. Morgan@highland-cycles.com
Thanks for putting this bike through its paces, so we don't have to lol :) It's good to know what the stator is capable of.
You bet!
I have a Baja squadron on my EXC and keep blowing the fuse when I shift out of N after starting it. Trying to figure out why putting a load on the engine blows the fuse.
That is really weird. Not sure why that would happen.
What’s the part number for the fan ? Not sure which on works I’m getting 2023 husky tx 300
It’s the one that fits the 22 xc
I sure wish the stator on my 2005 KTM 450 EXC was capable of charging my battery while running my Tusk Enduro Light Kit and Thumper Jockey Enduro 3000 lights that pull 26W….Good thing you’ve got a video showing how to float the ground in that one, huh?!
I do somewhere. It’s the same process as the 2T I believe
biggest thing when we were doing hard enduro is multiple restarts and the fan was running all the time, not just when the bike is on. I would just reccomend putting fan to circuit when only running when bike is on (headlight).
Can do that for sure
100% this is what kills mine, i had to wire a switch in to kill the fan when sitting there to try and stop the battery going flat
@@joedwyerjoe bikes cool off faster if the motor is running at idle or low rpm and fan running than bike off. It keeps the coolant moving and radiating heat
Is this with the updated 8 cell lithium ion battery?
Yes. Which helps a bunch because it starts the bike faster than the OEM one.
Any update on this? Saw a post that a bunch of tbi bikes died at that kind of motos event. Probably not running the tusk fan tho. But who knows.
I know of one that died at king of motos but it was running the tusk fan and the Trailtech gps that draws more than the light I run. Still no issue for me and I’ve gotten it hot with the light on in real world situations
Great video can you post the link for the harness and light please I just bought a 2023 husqvarna tx 300 and a tusk fan 🙏
Harness is from True North Motos and the light is an Evo from Motominded
it’s got to be the battery you are running, it’s 9ah and stock is 2ah plus the upgraded 240 cranking amps. i have just ordered one for mine as my battery dies every weekend doing hard enduro, i tried another stock battery from my 450 with same result. Will also have to ditch my trail tech fan for the tusk you are running which has half the draw. In short you have the right setup and thanks for sharing.
Thanks man. Yeah, I got the bike out into some real world stuff last weekend and zero issues. Fan on, light on, hot ass bike and no problems. Another key that I didn't mention, is that bikes cool off faster if the motor is at least running while the fan is on. So sitting there with the bike off and fan running isn't helping make things cooler very fast. The coolant needs to be circulating to really radiate heat. You will like the battery. It fires that bike up so fast.
What is the battery so I can order one. Thanks
@@cooperkimble8388 anti gravity AG-801
Do you think it will still give you the same voltage if you add the True North Motos tail light?
Not sure. I have a feeling it would be close
@highlandcycles what's the max output wattage on these new ktm's including the new 2023 350 xcf. Would you happen to know buy any chance?
@@christianbustillo8928 after ignition and fuel pump you are looking at about 30watts
How bright is the evo? Pretty bummed I can’t blind everyone with an xl80 lol
Do you think that the new battery you put in plays a part at all over the OEM? Great video, cold weather sucks! Ride on!
I think it does. Mainly because it starts the bike faster therefore less draw.
Replaced the stator, rect and battery on my '13 KTM 990Adv after I checked battery voltage running, full load (hibeam signals fan grips) and was seeing 13.2v. Advice of some 990 owners said 14.2v+ is normal. 14.2v is incorrect for a KTM 990. After replacing it all it charges, full load 13.2v. My 2016 KAW C14 charges at 14.2v, period, Load or no load. Both have EarthX etx24c batteries.
Yeah, when I first tested the stator (right after i bough the bike) with nothing on it, it showed 13.2. I was like "Crap that's low" but then I did the last test and it was still 13.2 and now it is still 13.2. Must be that it is supposed to be.
@@highlandcycles Could be set to 13.2V because it has a lithium battery from the factory. It is better not wind those batteries up tight charging them to 100% and 14+ volts. Unlike lead acid, lithium batteries last a lot longer if kept partially charged. 13.2 is perfect EZ/PZ partially charged voltage for the lithium battery. I bet that battery will last a long time.
@@craighoffman6876 That is what I am finding in my research
Guess I dont understand checking the voltage while its running, is there a reason other than the stator or regulator being bad that it would show less than 13?
The worry is that the stator doesn’t produce enough voltage to charge the battery while a fan and light are running (lower output than years past) so this test was to really tax the charging system and see if it would work.
@@highlandcycles ok, I was under the impression that the stator and regulator are designed to put out 12 volts. Isnt wattage what you would test for and whether or not the battery is charged after you shut it off with say a load tester before and after? The test you did clearly worked and I would say they run a fan fine.
@@billypulsipher1544 you are right as far as what really drains the battery. And some other folks have tested with fancy testers but I wanted to do more of a real world test. And battery voltage is the easiest way to see if the stator is keeping up. If it weren’t my meter would have showed less than 13. And there has also been a lot of discussion about the fact that the system is only putting out 13.2 v Traditional systems will spike up to 14.5 or so when revved.
@billypulsipher1544 a fully charged lead- acid battery is 12.86V I believe. I know these aren't using lead-acid but you get my point.You can't charge a "12v" battery with only twelve volts. Most cars charge in the 14.4-14.6v range at full output.
@@scootypuffjr. 12volt was reference to the system, not my point.
Hey, enjoying your videos. Whats your thoughts on the 2023 husq tx 300? Is it the ktm xc 300 in different color plastics? Thanks
Basically it’s just different plastic this year
Awesome. What tusk fan are you actually running?
It’s the one for the 22 XC
No starters were harmed in making of this video 🤣😂
All for you guys! 😂😂. When mine quits I will bill RUclips LMAO
I'm wondering if a XC-W stator could be easily swapped in ..
I don’t think so. Maybe the stator and flywheel but everything is different on these new bikes.
Morgan u really put that thing through the ringer. U can bring a little jumper with you on the next ride run both light and fan and see if it drains after continuous hours of riding. Do you know if i can run the trail tech fan on my 23 xc ??
I think that is a problem. The only people that I know have killed the battery are running the trail tech fan. The tusk draws about half the watts.
@@highlandcycles dam that sucks hopefully someone makes a stronger stator i dont know why ktm would put a weaker one now 😡
@@maximumeffort8829 I think it has to do with horsepower and over rev. The more output from a stator, the more it robs power and rpm. These things rev to the moon and I think that is what KTM was going for. A ridiculous motor and they got it.
@@highlandcycles ive had mine for 3 weeks and still havent rode it cause i am waiting for my truck from the shop. I am coming from a honda 450R so i hope this bike is a lot more COMFORTABLE in the trails. My 450 is a tank, and reliable but a bull in a china shop especially in enduro situations.
@@maximumeffort8829 you’re going to love it!
What flash # did you get? Impressive bike.
104 map I believe
Stupid question... What is the snorkel in your helmet chin guard?
Ahhh, that’s my hydration hose. It’s a hands free thing that stays hooked to my race helmet.
This is quite impressive even if it didn't have a fan or light.
I agree
Someone from your neighboring businesses is going to get you a hat or sweatshirt that reads, "I suck at dirt biking"
Hahaha
Hahahaha. They would but they are always HIGH AS KITES!
Next video - how to replace the starter on a 2023 XC300
Yep
With the charging system putting out 14 bolts when you rev it there shouldn’t be an issue. You started the bike in the video about 5 times more than I would have in a 2 hr ride, my guess is if you continued to draw that much juice then yes eventually the bike would be dead. However from my point of view if your killing and restarting the bike as much as did then your not riding, that’s called I don’t now how to ride and I killed my battery starting the bike.
That is how I see it. Even in hard enduro, you shouldn't have the bike off that much. Maybe stopped but not off.
Why not actually check the stator output? With the bike idling unhook the battery positive while keeping a volt meter in series on amps dc and see what the value is. Then turn on lights, fan, ect and see if it goes to a negative value. If it does, it's no longer charging. The starter will be irrelevant once you know that. Realistically the battery should allow for about 50 starts anyways so unless you're doing that all day it doesn't show much
Others have checked it with fancy meters and it suggests that this setup will work but I want to test real world to make sure.
The battery should start it a bunch but it wouldn't stay above 13.1V after as many starts as I did in this video with the fan and light running also. I have seen them drop below 12 with less draw in a shorter amount of time. Also, the fact that it still goes up a bit with revs says to me that it is charging. Now if you had a battery that was a bit worn out or stopped and let the fan and light run while the motor was off for too long, you might end up with a problem. But again, other folks have tested the true output and this light and fan set up are under the wattage. I just wanted to beat up on it with the starter and see.
@highlandcycles I think a couple hour ride might be a better real world test but I see what your saying. Also it doesn't take a "fancy meter", almost guarantee your volt meter will also check amps and that'll always be a better test than voltage. Inductive or high current would be fancier but I agree probably not necessary. Now add hand warmers and see what happens! Haha
@@cdr188 oh I know I don’t need the fancy stuff. I’m just friends with motominded and they have that equipment since they do big lights and stuff. They tested it and all signs point to it being good. And I don’t think I have ever started a bike that many times in one day of riding. Not even soloing the 1K.
@highlandcycles go try a hard enduro haha, you'll get a blister on your starter button finger!
@@cdr188 I do plan on that this coming year.
In real Hard Enduro testing en Quito, Ecuador at high elevation (+3000msnm) and around 25°C ... oem stator don't deliver enough power to run oem Spal Fan kit for long time ...
The battery will discharge during wery long climbing and the fan will start to run low, loosing the cooling purpose of it until you start loosing coolant and baterry died ...
Then it became necesary to get back and bumpstart it downhill to save the day.
Now i have to try to rewire the stator with bigger gage wire and see if it solve the problem...
Otherwise the bike is useless for real Hard Enduro use ...
Husky TX300 TBI 2023
Love the bike, just great on every aspect .. just screwed with the oem stator output 😢
(Really a mistery to me how KTM keep making such strange choices ... stator problem have been very comon in the past ...)
Thank for tour content @Highland Cycles
Ricky stator rewinds them now. Also, that’s why I used the tusk fan. It draws half of what the spal does
Again, LiFePO4 batteries need more than 13.1 to charge. They really need 14+. They are not like lead acid batteries.
Then the entire system is no good. I unhooked everything and all it ever does is 13.2
And so far the battery hasn’t died in 36 hrs of running in all kinds of weather. The light has been on the entire time. Guess we will see.
nice test, but now you need a new starter🤣
Haha I know
How could KTM produce an expensive bike with all their experience and use a too weak stator ?.....ya gotta wonder !....takes cost savings to the extreme