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If I grew up riding dirt and street bikes. But it has been 20 yrs since I have been on a bike. And Im looking into a dual sport purchase, am I a beginner since its been so long? Or is it a confidence thing?
"Because people often start out on the wrong dual sport" sure there is that, but also a lot of people like the idea of the adventure more than the execution of it. When it gets down to it and they have all they need to get out and do it, they find they didn't enjoy it as much as they thought, don't have the time, are more frightened by it than they anticipated etc.
Some people also think that if others enjoy it they can as well.. not knowing that it comes naturally to others...you don't push them and is not out of peer pressure. So they buy bikes etc for the garage..wasting money.
@@kyle1758 I think a lot of people under estimate how much work it is. Not even just picking up a dropped bike, but how exhausting riding trails can be. Especially when you're still learning the basics.
@@LemonsGDyep. It’s the RUclips generation. Living vicariously through influencers is the way forward nowadays. Hiding from empty lives and looking for filling but not actually wanting it filled. This is why I have thousands in hobby gear that I never use!
I think one of the best ways to start adventure riding is to just get a bike and some base level camping gear. go ride and camp a few times first before dropping all the money on the better gear and bike upgrades.
I started out on a CRF300l at 55 years old and would recommend it whole heartedly as a first dual sport. I'm 6ft and 210 lbs. After 1 year I have ridden 6000 miles. gotten my license on it and travelled on and off road confidently all over Vancouver Island in Canada. The bike could definitely use a stiffer suspension and maybe better tires for offroad but I am still running it stock until I get more seat time. Thank you Dorkintheroad for all your videos and opinions that have helped me along the way!
Islander!! I've had mine since 2021 and ridden the shit out of it. Also my first real bike and learned to ride on our West coast trails and I'm now 56. I still have it but have a Yamaha yz250fx for trails. I'm in Ladysmith.
The CRF300L is a great bike for pure beginners (road and dirt). If you have already a bit of experience in both but consider yourself still a beginner, this is not a proper bike. The CRF300L is perfect to start, and swap to a more well tuned bike when you are confident. She is really made for beginners and that is great. But once you want a more precise machine, do not put in the money to upgrade it, it is not worth it ! But of course if you do, props to you, there is no one size fits all 😊
Also an Islander!!!!! And I have a CRF300L in the collection. Awesome bike, CRF300L is the best bike in smiles per mile…honourable mention to the KLX300….see you out there on the trails….
I so appreciate these lists. And I say that having been on the wrong side of some of these decisions. I have a 500 exc-f that I bought after researching "best dual sport." I love it, but think I would learn more /faster on a less awesome bike. There is an insurance company that has ads that say "cars lie to us; motorcycles tell us the truth." My KTM says "you are not that good yet, pal"
Awesome bit of self awareness on your part. Good on ya'! As you've already committed to the "ripper" bike maybe consider keeping it and do some serious off road training to fill the knowledge gap or grab a cheap used Honda CRF 250F and thrash it up the learning curve. Enjoy the journey!
We need a modernized version of the XR400R with electric start and fuel injection, 6 speed, but maybe keep it air cooled though. Modern suspension with an understressed last forever engine. I'd bite.
Hey Ben! Counter-point/other side of the coin perspective. I started trail riding in my mid-50's and eagerly picked up a new CRF300L. The trail system I was riding is comprised of mountain single tracks of varying difficulty. I quickly discovered the CRF was too heavy and very poorly suspended for this area. I promptly sold it after only 3 rides and bought an EXC-F 350. The HUGE performance increase actually aided in quickly developing my skills, capabilities, confidence and enjoyment. As such, I think a "newbies" riding goals and anticipated terrain play a VERY significant part in what constitutes the "right" and appropriate starter ride and should be carefully considered to avoid the rapid upgrade cycle $$$. Keep up the great content!
@@daves.6778 Upgrading the front and rear suspension on my CRF 300L (using Rally Raid kits) completely transformed my bike making it excellent for very rough back roads and trails in Arizona. I have ridden the CRF 450L and I find my suspension better for this type of riding. The CRF 450L suspension feels like it was designed for motocross and not a great choice for rough trail riding. I have no desire to upgrade my CRF 300L because additional power wouldn’t give me anything that I care about. My point is that the CRF 300L provides an upgrade path that will be highly satisfactory to many riders.
I'm guessing that you're an exceptional athlete, or just a quick learner. I've got the Husky version of your 350, and I wouldn't start a beginner out on it because of the sensitive throttle and the huge power. Great suspension, though, right?
@@doghouseriley8696 Athlete? Yes. Exceptional? Hardly! As I recall many of the professional reviews of the 350 EXF-C mentioned how tame (stock w/ emissions) and linear the power delivery was. The 450s and 500s are a different story. To elaborate, a new(er) dual sport rider's goals and desired terrain should play a very significant role in bike selection. It's an ICB thing. If I wanted to recreationally ride on dirt backroads or comparatively mellow fire/forest service roads the CRF300L would have been great. This was not the case for me. My goals were to advance in proficiency and rating of the trails I could ride and the poor suspension and ~60lbs of extra bike proved much more of a liability than the power. Keep in mind we're only talking ~55cc. The 350 EXC-F was much easier to pick up, move around off the bike (critical for a newbie), maneuver on the bike and, in large part to the superior suspension, just plain a much better ride on singletrack and rougher mountain trails which facilitated advancement in my skills and enjoyment! Again, ICB. Thanks for the comment.
Great points. The "twitchy" throttle is huge. People think about seat height a lot but beginners rarely understand the concept of throttle control and how important it is to safety.
Low seat height, big flywheel, low maintenance plus enough power to keep up on the highway. This bike makes solid argument to win a lot of "best" titles.
I@@mikeisland7382 I would argue that they are just a little underpowered . Just 5 more horses would go a long way . My 2019 just didn't like 75 to 80 for long stretches . Very buzzy vibey and tops out at 87 maybe 88 mph . When everyone is doing 75 to 80 plus on the freeway it's just pushing it and if you have any grade coming or some steep stuff you are really maxing it out to maintain 70 . Would like a 690 or 790 kitted one with a Acerbis tank etc etc and with that you should get some more umpff out of it . Good bike and I miss mine .
My first dual sport was a 2019 Honda 450L. I agree the throttle is twitchy, and it does cut out here and there. The vortex ecu was a must. I did put on a yoshi exhaust at the same time as well. The twitchy throttle was gone, and the bike ran amazingly. It did dive a bit under deceleration. I'll give that to a more aggressive engine breaking effect. It's definitely a hard first dual sport bike to own if you don't have any other experience with these kinds of bikes. I ended up turning it into a supermoto and kept it on the streets. I don't have the bike anymore, and I miss it every single day. There are a lot of better options out there for a first dual sport, but this bike will always have a spot near and dear to my heart. I appreciate your video and your thoughts. Keep up the good work, and enjoy every ride you can go on!
@@christophervincent77 exactly, that's why we should only drive cars with lane keep and cruise control. Get off these silly two wheeled things that force you to balance and shift manually. On a serious note though, while it may be a draw back for some, its not a dangerous thing and in many ways is considered more reliable.
@@brucegrunewald8423 electric starters don't weigh very much, and most dirt bikes have had electric start for many years now. No shade for kick starting, but I'm glad my bikes have electric.
NGL, modern-ish bikes with kickstarts are pretty dope! My FE350 has one and it's fantastic! Don't think anyone should disparage a magic button, but carbs and kicks also aren't spooky, swear!
Hey Ben! Based on the fact that you've been completely transparent on your journey up the "off road riding" learning curve you are more than qualified to weigh in on these bikes and how poorly suited they are for beginners. You were a bit more apologetic than I would have been during your intro as too many unskilled newbies (due to ego) spend way to much money on bikes that are really high strung and dangerous relative to their abilities. The main take away for newbies is money always should be allocated for BOTH gear and training for new off road riders. I now have 6,000 KM (2 seasons) on my 300L and I'm still amazed how many unskilled riders I encounter who are riding much more powerful Dual Sport and ADV bikes. So far I've spent over $ 2,000 on quality gear and $ 2,500 on off road training with our local BMW off road riding academy. This is far more than I have spent on farkles so far. I loved your antics up in Canada on the 250 F with the Traction eRag guys and can safely say, "You've paid your dues" and your opinion is SPOT ON😀 BTW Adam Riemann agrees with you so there's an additional feather for your cap. Cheers!
Adams current Thailand "Enduro madness" tour series has been amazing ! Granted I do have a similarly modified 300l like they are on but this showcases how capable and versatile the bike is. I have a 2 stroke Husky that I love but honestly the 300l is still very much an absolute blast.
@ Let’s put this video into the “great minds thinking alike’ category. You are not mentioned by name but you guys are totally on the same page. ruclips.net/video/NCKS7GLwrkw/видео.htmlsi=avKRlW6C3Sqd6P-y I love the fact that you have come from a teaching background and share your experiences with all riders. Adam was a dirt bike racer and the fact that you guys totally are in sync from such divergent backgrounds speaks volumes. Both you guys have “dirt cred” 😍
I completely agree with you! Most these bike are great but can't imagine trying to learn on one. KLX 300 or CRF300 are great beginners bike but will also do good in the hands of more experienced riders. The new Suzuki 400S might be a good bike for beginners and one that will last you for a long time and not out grow it or get bored like the 300's
I think you are spot on. I ride a wr250r, and I love it, it's tuned up a bit to be spunkier, and is all around great, that said, I took a friend's drz400 for a quick spin just to diagnose a noise, and good lord, just that extra chunk of displacement for torqeu, it just refuses to stall short of the most asinine clutch antics. The new one being fuel injected would be just another mark in it's favor for someone learning, even if it is a touch heavy.
My advice, if you are truly a beginner on dirt, get a cheap used bike. Makes sure it is as light as possible, low seat height and not too much horsepower (125 - 359 cc). After you drop it a dozen times you will appreciate the above characteristics. Then purchase your first real dual sport. I have a crf300 rally and a ktm500 excf. Both required modifications to be a great rides. The KTM needed the pipe opened, and an ecu with a friendly trail map choice. The Honda needed a full pipe, ecu flash and better suspension to be rideable off road. Both are great fun, depending on how fast or how much road I want to go.
I grew up riding dirt bikes, got a 2018 crf250l 2 years ago as my first street bike, after riding it offroad and on road for 2 summers and burning through a rear tire I was itching for more power. I got a 2017 ktm excf 500 this fall and wow is it so much better, I have experience wrenching on cars and bikes so frequent oil changes and valve check weren't a concern, I've got street rims and tires ready to go on in spring, already has a 4 gallon tank, skid plate and seatconcepts comfort.
One of the best beginners bikes is the Honda xr150l. Affordable, fun to ride, low maintenance, good looking, low seat and weight. I can keep going. That was the bike I started aay back in my country and I bought one here in North America. Honda Fan Boy
Have a road bike, but started my off road learning on a little 140 Kawasaki KLX - small, lightweight, super forgiving clutch and gearing, and could walk it through anything if I had to. So confidence inspiring, and gave me a “feel” for off road. Now I’m riding a Yamaha XT225, again, this little bike is confidence and skill building. IMHO, the skills need to come first, before levelling up in power, height, and weight.
Spent my life since 16 years old and went to motorcycle mechanics school in 1982 got out in 83 and been on bikes my whole life( I'm 60 now) and have 2 motorcycles ( 1988 xr600r registered for the road and a 1996 vt1100c spirit) I will sell both of them for a 2016 honda crf 250 rally,reason is I can go anywhere on earth and do it quietly and only have a oil change a year and small maintenance. I sold motorcycles most my life and always listened to the person buying and made sure they got a small bike , why? Because if they don't feel intimidated by the bike they will pay more attention to what's around them. Your going to make what ever choices and it's not the end of the world if you need to step up or down. I started out on british bikes 650 triumphs BSA 650 and it was all we could afford ( Hondas were expensive! ) good video and it's magic no matter what much love & respect ❤😊
Good video and comments. My first bike was a brand new 1991 DR350S...was very tall for my 29" legs, kick start only, I dropped it a lot...lol. switched to street bikes a few years later and then stopped riding for about 8 years. Got back into riding in 2020 with a KTM 390 Adventure. Traded the KTM for the Aprilia Tuareg 660...great choice...better at all aspects than the KTM 390 Adv. Wanted a lighter more off-road so I also bought a 2023 Kawasaki KLX300DS. Loved the KLX 300 but realized after one season that I needed/wanted a more capable dual sport so I traded it in for a Beta 390 RS(1" lowering kit and comfort low Seat Concepts to accommodate my 5'6" height) Love the Beta! Engine has good tractoring ability but also willing to rip when you're ready to twist the throttle. All this being said I am glad I progressed through these bikes before I jumped on the Beta. My riding skills are progressing with my bike choices and performance capabilities. Thanks for the entertaining and informative content. I'm turning 60 this year so it's never too late to get back into riding...
Good video, good advice. I clearly don’t pay enough attention to other people’s opinions. My first dual sport bike is a 690 enduro r (in fact it can be seen in the background of your 690 review video). My son’s first dual sport is a 500exc. We both have a habit of learning things the hard way. I’m sure there are easier bikes to get started on… but these are so much fun.
Ok - so my first grown up bike as a 50something new rider, because I’m an old squid, after passing my test here in the UK was a Kove 450 Rally. The logic was simple: I can’t afford two bikes, much less garage them. But everything you say about that bike is true. No matter how fast you ride it, it goes “wait, what? Give it some beans lad!” It hates going slow. My favourite off road instructor made it dance on the lumpiest bits of the track he teaches on and pronounced it a “good bike, that.” But it’s crazy tall, and always - I mean always - lays itself down with the wheels pointing uphill. So a few months ago, sense and reason kicked in and I bought a second hand GPX 300 to learn on. At roughly the same time a CFmoto 450 mt dropped out of the sky on me, and now I have three bikes. And I found the garage space. I love the Kove to bits but I’m afraid it’ll have to go when the weather improves and people start buying bikes again because I can’t afford three. Here’s the thing though - the cfmoto + second hand gpx cots me less than the Kove did new… Love your work - keep it coming!
I totally relate to your experience with the Honda 450RL. It was the worst bike-buying decision I have ever made. The flame-out issue was the last straw. Extremely dangerous when attempting slow technical riding on steep terrain. I have been a huge Honda fan for many years and did not see that coming from them. I hope Honda considers these factors in future designs. On a positive note, I really appreciate your videos and the valuable insights you share-keep up the fantastic work!
Your advice is good. It can be difficult once a person gains experience to remember the difficulties and challenges faced by beginners. The 500 KTM like you say is amazing and I love it but chances are it would be too intimidating for many beginners.
At some level, the traits that don’t make a good beginner bike actually make a good filter for whether a sport/activity/skill are good for someone to seek out. My first ever motorcycle riding experience was on a brand new Kawasaki KDX200. Kickstart, 2 stroke, jetting, and I was on it ripping through gears like I was meant to be on a motorcycle on day one. If not for the hard stuff to act as a checkpoint, there wouldn’t be a good way to make sure you’re “in the right room.” The kickstarter is like the Sorting Hat in Harry Potter …
I’m glad I started young but more important I’m glad I started on a 1970 Yamaha 175 Enduro. The low seat height made it perfect you sat more in the bike than on top of the bike, I have a XT 250 although capable don’t enjoy as much as I did my 175, some of that maybe youthful memories but I took that 175 up some crazy hill climbs and trails. My point is I think what’s often considered a beginners bike is to tall, to heavy and to powerful to be fun.
Good one Ben, thanks! I'm 63, been ridin since i was a kid, rode lots of bikes, bought a 2015 CRF250 a while back, been having a blast at Hollister OHV, easy and fun to ride, it's a good old Honda, easy to pick up too! Ride on!
I had a 17 fe501s. Best bike i have ever owned. I just sold it and bought a gg700. The maintenance on the 500/501 ruin it for longer runs. I found your channel because i recently bought a klx230s to run the local trails in central oregon and dont feel like wrestling the power of the 700. I have been setting it up as a lightweight adv bike and its been really fun.
I am a veteran rider in Aus with over 50 years of bush and road riding experience and I think your assessment is spot on when talking of bike not suited to the new/novice riders in the off road/ Dual sport category. As for beginner bikes to get into dual sport and trail riding, I don't think you can go past the following list of great beginner bikes. IMO for a newbie any second hand bike 5-10 YO is a great start as you will drop it and crash it many times as you learn to ride. Parts are still easily available and you can get some bikes in great condition at very affordable prices. Just do your homework and get it checked out before you spend your hard earned/ saved up cash. Remember buy a good second hand bike and then go up once you have gained experience you will possibly get what you paid for the bike when you sell it again. Honda CRF230/ CRF250, XR150L Kawasaki KLX230 KLX300 Yamaha TW200 for WRF250 older TTR250 Suzuki DRZ400E electric start. Beta Xtrainer 250 two stroke
Great advice, Ben, you never wanna start out on something that’s twitchy you wanna start out on something that’s comfortable you can get your feet down on the ground so if you do stop, you can stop and something to have fun. You don’t wanna be scared on your first bike. Looking forward to your next video. Thank you.
Hahaha.... I started on a 93' Yamaha XT600 (30 years ago this February...yay 😃). That was my first bike and first dual sport. I dumped it probably 6 times in the first hour of riding. As it turns out February in Alaska was too cold and icy... and a 35" seat height didn't play well with my 30" inseam and zero skill on a 350lb Yamaha. Hey, I just couldn't wait to ride. 🤣 None of that stopped me from slapping Pirelli MT-21s on and hitting the trails, but it was a sweatfest lugging that big bike around. A couple years later I found an irresistible deal on a Honda XR250L... and immediately became faster and more confident on the trails on that smaller less horsepower bike. You'll never regret the decision to start on a bike that's easier to manage and that will inspire confidence instead of frustration. Funny thing is, I currently have a KTM 450 EXCR and love it, ... all but the 37" seat height... but for the past 6 years it's been wearing Moto tires for street use... and again, I'm looking for short, light, and mild to get reacquainted with dirt as it's been a while and my skills are rusty. The CRF230Fs and TTR230s look pretty good for getting my feet wet again and they're far easier to maintain.
Based on the stated target audience (never ridden on dirt, or along those lines), I’d suggest starting on an air-cooled small displacement dirt bike like a used CRF150F and focus on dirt riding before getting too worked up over having a “real” dual sport bike, or or putting some decent dirt tires on an XR150L if one has to have the street riding capability (or a TTR equivalent, etc). It’s been my experience that getting out and having fun in the dirt on a low horsepower bike and starting to push the limits while limiting the potential consequences when one goes over the line is the best path for new riders. Getting 30 - 40 hours under the belt on a small bike like one of these also gives a new rider the foundation for getting on a CRF300L or a DRZ-400 (or whatever) and actually making their own decision on what makes sense for them. (It also gives them a chance to meet other riders who might let the jump on their 300L and take it for a spin.)
I bought a crf450l as a first bike, learnt to ride on rode then started doing single track /enduro style riding, had a few scary moments and took a while to build up confidence, wouldn't recommend, you'll have more fun learning on a tamer bike
I started on a 1978 Yamaha DT250 back in 1980, when they still made real dual PURPOSE bikes. (It was actually Honda that coined the term "dual sport" with their NX series bikes, which really weren't that great off road) Two of the best dual purpose bikes for beginners are no longer available new, but there are a lot of used ones out there, are the Suzuki DR200 and Yamaha XT225. I'll toss the Honda XR230L in there as well, though they are a bit harder to find than the other two. Also the CARBURETED version of the Yamaha XT250 is a good one. For new bikes, the fat tire Yamaha TW200 is about the only one out there. But it's a good one. There are very few places it won't go. For larger bikes, the Suzuki DR650 and Honda XR650L are good choices, as is the first generation Kawasaki KLR650 through 2007. The second generation KLR650 is a bit heavy and unwieldy, mostly because of the oversized fairing. I see it more as an adventure bike. But if that is what you want, it's actually an ok bike, just stay with the CARBURETED models. That's pretty much it, as far as bikes that are new or still commonly available used. For beginner dual purpose riders, there are a few things you need to be prepared for. While these bikes are street legal, they are not that great on the street. Putting street oriented tires on them make them better, but unless you are going full supermoto, it's best to consider them dirt bikes that just happen to be street legal, which comes in handy in getting to the dirt, and riding on trails that require a street legal bike. AZ has LOTS of those. The next thing is flat tires. All dual purpose bikes have tube type tires, and you WILL have flat tires. Make sure you are capable of fixing a flat with tube type tires by yourself if you ever ride alone, and that you carry everything necessary with you to do the repair. The Suzuki DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650 have aftermarket centerstands available, and I HIGHLY recommend them. On my Yamaha XT225, I had a luggage rack on it, and had a milk crate attached to it. When I had a flat (that is WHEN, not IF) I would remove the milk crate, dump everything out, flip it over, and lift the bike up on it. DO NOT use those little support sticks. Your bike WILL fall over. Avoid any EFI bike, they can and will leave you stranded. And there is no rigging them to get you out of the middle of nowhere. I rode a first generation Kawasaki KLR650, with a centerstand, from Phoenix, AZ to Deadhorse, AK and back many years ago, had three flat tires, and got some fuel with water in it. I was able to drain the water out of the carburetor without having to empty the whole tank. Not possible on an EFI bike. Oh, and avoid ANY Chinese bike.
Counterpoint to the Kickstart only debate. My first bike was a 1993 xr250L that I bought in 2021 (running and riding). I think the best thing that it did for me was punish mistakes. If I stalled, had to kick it back to life. If I dropped it, it would protest starting for at least five minutes and 20 perfect kicks. I'm in the process of getting it running better now, but every experience that it gave me was extremely valuable.
Depending on the person you can grow into these less than ideal beginner bikes pretty quick. I debated between the Honda CRF300L or the CRF45RL for my next duel sport after a 35 year hiatus eventually going with the 450 for the power, adjustable suspension and longer term potential. I’ve been very happy with that decision and after about 4 months my confidence and skills are returning.
I started on an XT250. as a small woman, it was too heavy for me. Then I went for a TTR125 (big wheel) and street legaled it. Grew out of it too fast; it was a poor choice but I still love the stupid bugger. Then went to a Beta 350 RRS and lowered it 2". I wish I would have went straight to the Beta. The only drawback is the 30 hour oil change, but If you're going to ride bikes you should know how to do that any way. Takes me 45min now in the garage (oil change and total clean up, plus im slow lol) and its skills I'm glad I learned. I still think I'm a beginner. I put 240 hours on my Beta in the first year and its such a fantastic bike. I think its a great beginner bike because its so lightweight and smaller than a KTM. (smaller in overall bike size). If you're a small woman, a 300 lb bike is still heavy if you drop it a few times on the trail and that weight adds up. The -50lbs on the Beta was a game changer for me. But women riders are a niche group, so maybe my opinion is niche in that regard.
Regarding the KTM 500 EXC-F: It really is the best dual sport bike, but the vibration is obnoxious. It's not annoying if a person is riding a lot of technical terrain, trails, etc. where you spend most of the day standing up. If you are doing nothing but riding forest service roads, sitting down, or not moving around on the bike much, the vibration is VERY annoying. I test rode the 500 and 350 twice at the Touratech Rally in 2024. Just like I remembered from the 500 EXC-F I had back in 2012, the vibration of the 500 was horrendous. Some riders may not be as sensitive to the vibration, but a lot of people I talk to don't like the vibration either. the 350 was not nearly as annoying. My 450 isn't bad, but it's a lot less than the 500. The 450 is an odd model from KTM - in 2019, the only way to get the 450 dual sport model was the Six Days Edition. I'd have a hard time recommending someone buy the KTM 350/450/500 EXC-F as their primary dual sport bike if they do nothing but fire roads and easy terrain. Too much maintenance is required (oil changes, valve checks, top end refresh, etc.). Riding dirt roads all day, you rack up a lot of miles, fast, which compounds the more maintenance on top of the short maintenace intervals. The above info is why my 2019 KTM 450 EXC-F is not my primary bike, my DRZ is, which I've owned since 2006. My KTM only comes out of the trailer/garage for special occasions, such as trail riding or challenging rides like what I did on some days down in Death Valley in 2024. 4 riding season on my KTM and it still only has only 2100 or so miles on it, since I save it for special rides as described above.
I got back into riding on a KLR 650. I hadn't been on a bike in 15 years but I did have some experience in the dirt. I had a great time on that Pig but I quickly began looking for a smaller bike. I found a 2019 KLX 250, geared it down and went single tracking. The extra 10 teeth on the rear means it will cruise at 55 at around 6000rpm. That sucks for the street but it is great off road. I kept the 650 for dirt road exploring and even bought another for street riding. You don't need 1 bike, you need 3.
Yep... I absolutely love my 2024 CRF450RL but I've been riding forever. I would not recommend this bike for someone that doesn't have as lot of dirt experience.
I've been riding since the 80s. Raced motocross and Supercross for years and years.im 55 now and my body suffers from all the motto days.im in the market for a CRF300L I rode one and loved it.its mellow and easy to ride. I'm ok with buying a beginner bike just to cruise and adventure on.
Do people really just shyte all over your vids? I don't read comments, but as a fan of your channel for a few years now, I value your opinion. My first dual sport was a KLR650 I did the doo, added better springs, did the carb mod and exhaust and got it to power wheelie and it was great but then I upgraded to a Crf450x which I gotbthe tusk street legal kit and got it registered for the road and that was a blast but the damn intake valves stretched like once a month so I sold it. Tracer 900 in light adventure mode is my tourer and a sportsman 850 is my offroad machine.
My first dualsport was a 95 DR350 but it was an electric start model and that was back in 1999 when parts were easy to find, great bike. Switched to the DRZ400S in the early 2000`s, had several since, still have a well worn 2011.
Started as a 12 y.o kid on a 50cc Honda monkey bike. Worked for me. Had a few cheap off road bikes until I got my own job, and then a Honda XL500s that I rode in all environments. Today's bikes are awesome, but no more fun than old motorcycles.
I have road experience and rod dirtbikes when i was a kid but got a 300l last march. Love it. Will pretty much go anywhere. Great to learn on amd get confidence.
I fully agree with your comments. I'm intermediate rider ( experienced but old), now riding a 500excf (11.000km on the European TET, BDR like tracks), after a 701E (14.000km), and an African Twin crf1000dct. The Ktm500 is easier than the Honda450l, the only difficult point for beginner is seat height, otherwise lightness and strong torque at low rev are helping a lot. For sure CRF300L is a good beginner bike, very capable , but somewhat heavy for technical challenges. The Beta Alp 4.0 ( a 350cc engine) would be my suggestiin for a beginner.
Always enjoy your take on different motorcycle subjects. In particular the KTM exc 500. They're expensive to purchase expensive to keep up expensive to have any work done on them. Also the rebuild after 1 season of riding aproximately at 5k. Love the Honda XR650L but I am 68 and it became too heavy for me if I ever dropped it out by myself I I can't lift the bike. All the new flat piston engines,frankly Is like buying a project. Would love to see your take on any dirt bikes that you recommended for recreational riding (for an old rider) that one could ride say 25 or 30 K miles before a rebuild is necessary. Provided you keep up with the maintenance especially clean oil clean air filters Etc thank you for your good job reporting this topic.
I bought a 2018 CRF250L based partly on your years of videos. Changed the rear sprocket and added a full Racetech front and rear suspension kit. The bike was great stock but this took it to a new level. The bike is fun, easy and practically maintenance free. Your reviews are great, thanks.
I started on a 22' klx300r and rode it for about 26hrs before I decided I wanted something more. Decided to go to a Beta Demo Day and that sealed my fate. After riding a 23' Beta 390rr, I knew I had to have one. I ended up getting a leftover 23' model for $2k off msrp about two months later. I will say it is definitely too much bike for a beginner, but It is very easy to ride and I've yet to become bored riding it like I did the klx. I will caveat that I grew up riding three wheelers and four wheelers but didn't get into two wheeled bikes until the past couple years.
Great advice ! I own a crf450L. He is spot on. Beginners need to accept the learning curve with a low cc, soft suspension, low seat height bike. Then move to a better suspension good and throttle behavior bike. Personally I love the Honda XR 250 1989-1994 era as a first bike.
I believe you a correct. The issue that I see is that there are so many options. My opinion is that new riders really need self control and should start 100% off road on an older bike that is affordable and easy to work on and maintain. Learn how to do plugs, tire changes, flat repairs, oil and filter changes. If one is still in love with the hobby take the riders training course to learn to ride on the road. After someone gets the experience, ride a couple different bikes and choose what fits the best. Years ago I started on a yz80, then a cr125, cr250, cr500. First street bike was a 500 ninja then dyna wide glide, fat boy, street glide, 1290 sar, 1200 gsa. Now I ride a Harley street slide and a Ktm 500excf. I started in the dirt then learned how to ride around cars. Ill trailer the 500 to ride and camp but if I want to ride the road its the Harley. Just my opinion. Start small, easy and cheap. Focus on one discipline get experience and enjoy
I started on a Honda Z50 in 1979. With only a 3 speed transmission, small tires and about 1 gal fuel tank my adventures were limited by distance. Although, that little bike carried me around for years and took me to beautiful places. Now I ride a CRF450l with all the goodies and pass broke down KTM’s regularly. The oil gets changed every 1000 miles and never had a problem.
I think the problem w/ this bike is that for any non-wide-open riding it's just not great. The ECU fixes a slot, but it's still nowhere as capable and fun as a 350 EXC-F if you're not desert riding.
Agreed. I bought a 2023 Husqvarna FE350s (same as the KTM 350) to replace my XR650R as my dual sport. It's light and powerful, but it's buzzy, twitchy, and jerky. It's way harder to ride in the dirt than my 300 2T, and it's not fun around town. I'm selling the Husky and trading my XR/R for a DR650 (it'll be my third!). The DR is a good dual sport, but not for beginners; it's pretty heavy. So is the DRZ400. I'm giving my DRZ to my nephew to start on, but he's 6'4", strong AF, and a downhill MTB racer, so hopefully the extra ponies and pounds won't hold him back for very long.
I grew up riding, then didn't ride for like 20 years, because, Alaska. I started back out on a Suzuki DR 650. Slightly heavy, but very inexpensive, and moderate power, despite being a 650. Over the years of riding i have upgraded quite a bit for more power and rideability because the power was so low key. Still have it, and bought a Tiger 900 RP.
I think your advice is very sound. However, I bought a 2023 350 EXC-F two years ago. I had never been offload on a bike before. For me it's been phenomenal. I've taken it slow, but it's been the perfect bike for me so far. It has me completely addicted to trail riding now, and I really want a 300 XC-W.
I started out on a 2022 CRF450RL. Getting close to 9,000 miles and the only issue it’s ever given me is the starter reduction gear shearing which made me have to bump start it to get it going again. Other than that, it’s been a great bike and fun to ride. I couldn’t find a KLX/CRF300 for months and jumped on the opportunity to get the 450RL.
Reliable Red!!! My previous bikes were 89 xr 250 r, 94xr 650 L , 03 crf 450 r, n recently 16 crf 250L 250 was fun n could handle technical trails but could use more power. 650L was big n heavy great for open trails not for technical use. 450 eFn AMAZING light weight sooo much power n agile! (Fav) crf 250L great for old guys like me n beginners, could use suspension n power upgrades but great bang for the buck ( got it for 3k w/ 5600 miles new tires batt air filter bars n levers. Absolutely Love It! 60-76 mpg to boot. Keep that ruber down fellas 😊
I’m glad you acknowledged now good the KTM/Husq 500s are. I would argue that they’re great for beginners. They’re not insanely powerful in factory trim, in fact they’re pretty choked up by the emissions spec. They’re the lightest out there so repeatedly picking them up is going to be easier than on anything else. The 2024s come with great suspension and they can be had on sale for appx $9k. In reality that’s just a couple thousand more than a CRF300 Rally, which is way heavier and has way worse suspension.
Well, I'm not exactly new to ride on/off road but there has been a very long break in the middle. I've opted for a trusty little Honda XR190CT, a 184cc farm bike. I put the original road chain and sprockets on it for NZ$50/US$25 and it will happily sit all day on the speed limit of 100km/h(60mph) and can be pushed up to 115km/h(70mph). I is light, economical, relatively low and does all that I ask of it's massive 11KW(14 ponies).
LOL. You always know "what the Hell you are talking about." You are like a biking God to us. Good video and I agree for what that is worth as an older experienced rider.
I started on a used r1250gsa. Did my first two BDR's and it was really challenging. Dropped the big tons of times. Ended up buying a crf300L, which did great offroad, but struggles on the highway. Hoping that the F450gs can be the perfect middle weight I'm looking for.
Started in the 80's on a minibike with a peddle friction brake and a Briggs and Stratton 5hp engine😂, yz80, kx125, Husqvarna 250, fast forward about 15 years of no motorcycle. Picked up a Tenere 1200 rode it off road all over Colorado, Arkansas, Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee. Took it places it didn't belong but had a blast😂. Looking for something MUCH lighter now, but going to need some power. That's whey I'm here😂!
Ok here goes. I'm 42 and have a bit of dirt bike experience from my youth but stopped riding around 21. I started on a Suzuki PE50 bumped up to a 1983 XR100 for a year before moving on to the PE 175 and finally the 87 kx500. So even though its been 20 years I do have a bit of dirt experience and would still feel very comfortable on dirt and some mild single track stuff. I considered something like the DR400 but felt it would come up short on any longer runs I may do in the future... Like the WA and ID BDR. I've been going back and fourth between the T7 and KLR650. When I stay close to home (PNW) I would be doing more service road riding with some back country fishing :) and then around town stuff. Thoughts on the 2 bikes I've mentioned for what I'd like to do?
Another great video, I own a DR350s and I will say that it’s a great bike for people that want the old school “80s-90s” style but a drz400 is far superior. Riding my Dr reminds me of riding my KDX 200, definitely more of a dirtbike than a dual sport
I had a CRF 450RL and yes it was twitchy. I put a lot into it to try and smooth it out and never got it there. I have the KTM 500 excf. I absolutely love it. Very smooth throttle and tractors' up tight single track with ease. Because I wanted to adventure ride with it I had to invest several hundred into it. the maintenance intervals can be a pain but easy to do. Good stuff.
A friend of my dad gave my brother and I a Keystone minibike. It had a clutch, but we couldn't get it hooked up. It came from the factory with a rear brake only. It had a pull start two stroke motor, but we couldn't get the recoil to work properly. The throttle lever/twistgrip was missing so we pulled on the cable near the gas tank. We had helmet, gloves and boots. One of us would push the other to start it and you had to keep going without stalling or you were on your own.
You completely surprised me with including the DR350 on this list. I am a 48 year old complete newb with very limited dirt bike and atv experience. That being said, my buddy who has a stable of bikes, and is a mechanic, recommended a DR350 for my first bike. He knew I wanted to ride in the dirt and on the back roads and maybe even take it on the nebdr. Anyway, I got a 96 SE (5k miles)with both electric a kick start and have enjoyed the hell out of it for the past 9 months. Other than small repairs, what would be the other negatives about the bike that puts it on this list? Thanks for the insight!
Honestly it's mostly on there because everything else is so obvious and there had to be something at least semi controversial and I personally would not recommend it to a beginner.
As a former (recent) DR350 owner -sold to a friend for steal. Certain parts for dr350s are getting very hard to source + it is definitely using a vintage style ergonomics that some of the more modern bikes completely outclass. The DR350 is a fantastic bike tho, and anyone who talks bad about my baby can go pound sand! Also, fight me, the Dr350 is a better bike than the drz400 :/
@@marchofthecontraption8060 I just bought one recently and love it. Haven't had to do much work to it other than cleaning the float bowl once. What parts should I be on the look out for that might be kind of hard to find in the future?
I bought a crf300 rally as a beginner dual sport bike and to moto camp off. And picked up a 2nd hand fe501 to blast around and go fast on for now and to build into a decent dual sport in a few years time
Starting out on the wrong bike is a make or break for many. I also watched your best dual sport video also. Although it doesn't fit your criteria, I love the Honda XR 150L. I have a KTM 450EXC and other bikes, but I picked the XR 150L for one reason, price. Under $4,000 OTD. I needed a bike to putt around the national forest. The KTM, as you know are screamers and are not happy unless you are on the throttle. I had other bikes I was interested, XT250 and TW200. They cannot be bought used under $4,500 unless they are total garbage. It is great as long as you don't need to go over 50 mph, not at all highway friendly. A small dual sport is always fun at any skill level. I have the top performer dual sport and the bottom performer. Honestly, I am having more fun with the XR right now.
Imma be honest, not because I have any reason to lie but just for the sake of the phrase. I love dual sporting. I love camping but not everyone in my family does and it is hard to get the time away from my family, which I love more than dual sporting and camping. The idea of convincing my family members to go bounce around on rocks, struggle through Creeks, and to go sleep in mosquito ridden bogs... Just isn't worth it for me 😢. as much as I wish it was. So I compromise by doing it a few times a year with a person who I've convinced that this activity is fun. And by the end of the trip every single time I cannot express how happy I am to see my family again. A win this year is a family member has been converted into thinking its going to be great to come along! I am super excited, but at the same time I'm scared that they're not going to get the same type of experience of the stories they've heard over the past 5 years. Like do we jump into the deep end? Do I do my best to make this a as casual fun? You can be like stick to your true self. Do what you would do. Anyways, That's the stories you've told them! Those stories sparked that interest to the point of wanting to join you, but I have multiple years of off-road camping long distance adv touring and even more years of hardcore Enduro riding experience that they don't have, very spooky. In the end I don't believe im that unique with some of these people who are selling the 1k mi bike out there. You did your one trip that long way around or an Influencer convinced you would have a great time doing and then you found that doing it solo wasn't what you actually wanted. You wanted the community aspect. You wanted to do it with someone else. Getting someone to plunk down $10,000 on this experience once a year is a hard pill to swallow when that could be a trip to Europe, Asia, Africa wherever! I understand you buy once you cry once, but still...10k can easily be 3-5 dream trips to the most wicked places when 10k worth of dual sport, kit and camping gear only makes sense if you use it.
I have the FE501S and I knew it would be on here lol. It is my first dual sport but I rode dirt bikes for years and had a ninja 650R. Made me happy to hear you say it's the best dual sport bike out there though!
The DR350 isn’t for everyone. I wanted one since I was a kid and finally got the e-start model when I was 20, and I still have it 7 years later, she’s a 385cc now and heavily modified and a very fun and quick bike. If you buy one long term you will learn everything about them and probably become a Suzuki DR fan, best dual sport of its time and still can hang. Plus big aftermarket and active community
I am an experienced rider. Started on 80’s in my teens & went from those straight to 250’s by the time I was 15. I’ve been a woods/enduro/motox rider on & off for the last 30+ years. I got into dual sports 1.5 years ago & my budget only allowed for a used ‘15 CRF250L. I’ve put about every upgrade you can on that bike & it’s still not what I’m looking for. With all that being said, if you have minimal experience riding on the dirt then I highly suggest you go with a bigger, more powerful bike cause the CRF250L will leave you wanting more.
You’re right on the 450 cc aspect. I have a 2024 wr450f and it is NOT a beginners bike. I would suggest a tw200 for a straight beginner to see if they even like the sport or just like the idea of the sport. I ran into a guy this summer on a kove trying to tackle single track. Needless to say, he didn’t go very far.
WR250R is a great beginner bike. Just put a shorter spring in if it's too tall for you. It has great reliability, is stable, easy to ride and enough power to have a bit of fun, but not enough to get you into trouble.
The Dr 350 with electric start is a great bike to start with. It's forgiving not overpowered it's a tractor I own one I'm 56 years old I've had a lot of dual sports over the years. This one I will keep for the rest of my life
I made the mistake of starting on a CRF450RL (with the ECU mod and exhaust!) and it still had a propensity to stall unless babied very carefully. Thank goodness it didn't die when I went to trade it in for a Tenere 700 a few months back! (I have a lot of street riding experience and have taken both on- and off-road classes to bolster that.)
The 450RL is possibly the best dual-sport if you are 6 feet tall and 50 years old but still wanna rip for real at any moment. Just not necessarily for new riders because of the learning curve and like many other bikes it can be a money pit at first- but if they stick with it and dont die they will eventually be fine like i was. 9 months later and my neighbors are calling me Evil Kenevil and with 2,500 miles it all broken in now- bike runs like a swiss watch and rides like a dream even in the dead of winter and not even a hint of having a single issue whatsoever. Crashed 100 times and only a scratch on my header heat sheild.
I have an FE501 and I think it is very close to the perfect dual sport, but perhaps not the best choice for a beginner. I’d consider myself an intermediate rider. The FE501 has more than adequate power, is very light weight, and the suspension is as good as it gets. If you have at least some off road experience, and you’re serious about dual sport riding, and you want a bike that you’re not going to outgrow, the FE501 ( or the orange equivalent ) is worth considering.
I'm 38 and have never ridden off-road, but have been riding road bikes for nearly 20 years. My current bike for the last 7 years has been a 2010 Triumph Rocket 3 Roadster, with numerous mods to get it to 167 RWHP :) I have my sites set eventually on a "Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer" or similar bike to get into long distance, unrestricted Adventure touring, but need to start from scratch with the off-road learning. I was thinking a 600+ KTM or 700 Tenere would be a good start but I'm open to suggestions and will keep watching these type of videos for advice. (for reference I'm in Australia where you can have literally no fun at all on-road without risking your license, so want to be able to not be restricted by where I can ride).
Its not just that people start on the wrong dual sport. It's that some people shouldn't even ride motorcycles. Go rent one a couple times and see if you even like motorcycles. Lots of people buy motorcycles, quads, and SxS then never use them.
Hey. Keep it to yourself, man. 😉 I completely agree, but without people doing such things, I wouldn't have been able to obtain my bikes at such a discount.
Got a 450rl due to my your review. Yes it's nuts off road but that's what I love about it. Having ridden Supersports all my life, the power definitely didn't intimidate me.
If you want to ride on dirt you should get a smaller Cc bike to get used to having no grip. Maybe even give Motorcross/enduro tracks a go. It will help massively with off road stuff
I bought a KLX230S ABS as my first bike 2 years ago (put 1500 miles on it). Plenty of power to learn and go anywhere. You are right anything over 300cc and 300lbs to start on is a dumb idea
Thank you, great overview! Newbies should start with something light, simple, cheap and not much power-to-weight ratio. Period. Just the fact that someone can afford an expensive fancy bike doesn't mean he'll ride better and learn faster, probably rather the opposite.
I also agree on the "not a DR 250 / 350S/SE as a beginner bike" nowadays, since there's better choices available. Also, a new / beginner rider won't want to be wrenching on an old relic. At the age they are now, the suspension will need rebuilt and all the swingarm bearings will likely need replaced along with wheel bearings, chain, sprockets and who knows what else. My first bike was a new 1994 DR350SE (E = electric start). '94 was the first year of E-start. I went through two DR350SEs before buying my DRZ. The 250/350 feels a lot heavier than a DRZ. The entire bike was wider than a DRZ. The air filter was a PITA to reinstall after cleaning it. The filter was pretty small too.
The 350 feels heavier than a 400? The 350 is 270lbs... I've never sat on a 400 that felt lighter than my 350 and to me the 400 feels like a skyscraper. Just my opinion. I also own one that's got 30k miles with stock suspension and swing arm bearings! They last a long long time if serviced correctly. Most people that sell the 350 to get a 400 tell me they wish they had the 350 back.
Ben, I think we better differentiate noobie categories as "1st time at all" vs "noob on dirt but with good road experience". Your list is perfect for the first group. For the 2nd group it is not that definite since the riders are used to deal with the power and experienced with the throttle control. After many years riding 1200cc sport-tourer I got WR450F as my first dirt bike and sometimes felt unnecessary underpowered. Also, need to take into consideration would the bike be used on fast freeways like riding from home to the trails and back or it'll be moved on a truck or trailer. Getting something super-forgiving like Yamaha TW200 would be deadly dangerous in the first scenario...
Powerful road bikes ruined my “butt dyno”. Even a T7 or 690/701 feels sluggish on the street. It’s different when things get loose though. That extra power can be a liability.
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If I grew up riding dirt and street bikes. But it has been 20 yrs since I have been on a bike. And Im looking into a dual sport purchase, am I a beginner since its been so long? Or is it a confidence thing?
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"Because people often start out on the wrong dual sport" sure there is that, but also a lot of people like the idea of the adventure more than the execution of it. When it gets down to it and they have all they need to get out and do it, they find they didn't enjoy it as much as they thought, don't have the time, are more frightened by it than they anticipated etc.
Some people also think that if others enjoy it they can as well.. not knowing that it comes naturally to others...you don't push them and is not out of peer pressure. So they buy bikes etc for the garage..wasting money.
@@kyle1758 I think a lot of people under estimate how much work it is. Not even just picking up a dropped bike, but how exhausting riding trails can be. Especially when you're still learning the basics.
"People like the idea of the adventure more than the execution of it" - Truer words have never been spoken.
@@LemonsGDyep. It’s the RUclips generation. Living vicariously through influencers is the way forward nowadays. Hiding from empty lives and looking for filling but not actually wanting it filled. This is why I have thousands in hobby gear that I never use!
I think one of the best ways to start adventure riding is to just get a bike and some base level camping gear. go ride and camp a few times first before dropping all the money on the better gear and bike upgrades.
I started out on a CRF300l at 55 years old and would recommend it whole heartedly as a first dual sport. I'm 6ft and 210 lbs. After 1 year I have ridden 6000 miles. gotten my license on it and travelled on and off road confidently all over Vancouver Island in Canada. The bike could definitely use a stiffer suspension and maybe better tires for offroad but I am still running it stock until I get more seat time.
Thank you Dorkintheroad for all your videos and opinions that have helped me along the way!
You need to lose 33lbs.
Islander!! I've had mine since 2021 and ridden the shit out of it. Also my first real bike and learned to ride on our West coast trails and I'm now 56. I still have it but have a Yamaha yz250fx for trails. I'm in Ladysmith.
The CRF300L is a great bike for pure beginners (road and dirt). If you have already a bit of experience in both but consider yourself still a beginner, this is not a proper bike.
The CRF300L is perfect to start, and swap to a more well tuned bike when you are confident.
She is really made for beginners and that is great. But once you want a more precise machine, do not put in the money to upgrade it, it is not worth it !
But of course if you do, props to you, there is no one size fits all 😊
Also an Islander!!!!! And I have a CRF300L in the collection. Awesome bike, CRF300L is the best bike in smiles per mile…honourable mention to the KLX300….see you out there on the trails….
@@seansixfive I'm pretty sure he didn't post that as an open invitation to suggestions from people who lack common courtesy
I so appreciate these lists. And I say that having been on the wrong side of some of these decisions. I have a 500 exc-f that I bought after researching "best dual sport." I love it, but think I would learn
more /faster on a less awesome bike. There is an insurance company that has ads that say "cars lie to us; motorcycles tell us the truth." My KTM says "you are not that good yet, pal"
Awesome bit of self awareness on your part. Good on ya'! As you've already committed to the "ripper" bike maybe consider keeping it and do some serious off road training to fill the knowledge gap or grab a cheap used Honda CRF 250F and thrash it up the learning curve. Enjoy the journey!
@@bobg416tor that's exactly the plan.
I loved every bit of this comment, also, I identified with every bit of this comment as well 😂
We need a modernized version of the XR400R with electric start and fuel injection, 6 speed, but maybe keep it air cooled though. Modern suspension with an understressed last forever engine. I'd bite.
Hey Ben! Counter-point/other side of the coin perspective. I started trail riding in my mid-50's and eagerly picked up a new CRF300L. The trail system I was riding is comprised of mountain single tracks of varying difficulty. I quickly discovered the CRF was too heavy and very poorly suspended for this area. I promptly sold it after only 3 rides and bought an EXC-F 350. The HUGE performance increase actually aided in quickly developing my skills, capabilities, confidence and enjoyment. As such, I think a "newbies" riding goals and anticipated terrain play a VERY significant part in what constitutes the "right" and appropriate starter ride and should be carefully considered to avoid the rapid upgrade cycle $$$. Keep up the great content!
@@daves.6778 Upgrading the front and rear suspension on my CRF 300L (using Rally Raid kits) completely transformed my bike making it excellent for very rough back roads and trails in Arizona. I have ridden the CRF 450L and I find my suspension better for this type of riding. The CRF 450L suspension feels like it was designed for motocross and not a great choice for rough trail riding. I have no desire to upgrade my CRF 300L because additional power wouldn’t give me anything that I care about. My point is that the CRF 300L provides an upgrade path that will be highly satisfactory to many riders.
I'm guessing that you're an exceptional athlete, or just a quick learner. I've got the Husky version of your 350, and I wouldn't start a beginner out on it because of the sensitive throttle and the huge power. Great suspension, though, right?
@@doghouseriley8696 Athlete? Yes. Exceptional? Hardly! As I recall many of the professional reviews of the 350 EXF-C mentioned how tame (stock w/ emissions) and linear the power delivery was. The 450s and 500s are a different story. To elaborate, a new(er) dual sport rider's goals and desired terrain should play a very significant role in bike selection. It's an ICB thing. If I wanted to recreationally ride on dirt backroads or comparatively mellow fire/forest service roads the CRF300L would have been great. This was not the case for me. My goals were to advance in proficiency and rating of the trails I could ride and the poor suspension and ~60lbs of extra bike proved much more of a liability than the power. Keep in mind we're only talking ~55cc. The 350 EXC-F was much easier to pick up, move around off the bike (critical for a newbie), maneuver on the bike and, in large part to the superior suspension, just plain a much better ride on singletrack and rougher mountain trails which facilitated advancement in my skills and enjoyment! Again, ICB. Thanks for the comment.
@@andrewthompson1313That's what I did but went with cogent Dynamics. Bike's still a little heavy but it's not the arrow it's the Indian.
Great points. The "twitchy" throttle is huge. People think about seat height a lot but beginners rarely understand the concept of throttle control and how important it is to safety.
Started on a DR650. The most chill motorcycle i own.
A Really good bike! Un modded they are great for beginners and when modded they are a hole different bike, I can wheelie mine for days!
@@JeffSmith-pr1st I freaking LOVE mine! I ride it more than I do my MT-09
Low seat height, big flywheel, low maintenance plus enough power to keep up on the highway. This bike makes solid argument to win a lot of "best" titles.
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I would argue that they are just a little underpowered . Just 5 more horses would go a long way . My 2019 just didn't like 75 to 80 for long stretches . Very buzzy vibey and tops out at 87 maybe 88 mph . When everyone is doing 75 to 80 plus on the freeway it's just pushing it and if you have any grade coming or some steep stuff you are really maxing it out to maintain 70 . Would like a 690 or 790 kitted one with a Acerbis tank etc etc and with that you should get some more umpff out of it . Good bike and I miss mine .
@some_guy441 great until we pop on a single track have fun holding that brick up
My first dual sport was a 2019 Honda 450L. I agree the throttle is twitchy, and it does cut out here and there. The vortex ecu was a must. I did put on a yoshi exhaust at the same time as well. The twitchy throttle was gone, and the bike ran amazingly. It did dive a bit under deceleration. I'll give that to a more aggressive engine breaking effect. It's definitely a hard first dual sport bike to own if you don't have any other experience with these kinds of bikes. I ended up turning it into a supermoto and kept it on the streets. I don't have the bike anymore, and I miss it every single day. There are a lot of better options out there for a first dual sport, but this bike will always have a spot near and dear to my heart. I appreciate your video and your thoughts. Keep up the good work, and enjoy every ride you can go on!
I had to chuckle at kick start only bikes are an automatic no. That's all we had back in the day for riding. My how spoiled we have become. Lol.
I mean - why make the experience more difficult when you don't have to?
@@christophervincent77 Weight. I never saw an electric start on a dirt bike.
@@christophervincent77 exactly, that's why we should only drive cars with lane keep and cruise control. Get off these silly two wheeled things that force you to balance and shift manually.
On a serious note though, while it may be a draw back for some, its not a dangerous thing and in many ways is considered more reliable.
@@brucegrunewald8423 electric starters don't weigh very much, and most dirt bikes have had electric start for many years now. No shade for kick starting, but I'm glad my bikes have electric.
NGL, modern-ish bikes with kickstarts are pretty dope! My FE350 has one and it's fantastic! Don't think anyone should disparage a magic button, but carbs and kicks also aren't spooky, swear!
Hey Ben! Based on the fact that you've been completely transparent on your journey up the "off road riding" learning curve you are more than qualified to weigh in on these bikes and how poorly suited they are for beginners. You were a bit more apologetic than I would have been during your intro as too many unskilled newbies (due to ego) spend way to much money on bikes that are really high strung and dangerous relative to their abilities. The main take away for newbies is money always should be allocated for BOTH gear and training for new off road riders.
I now have 6,000 KM (2 seasons) on my 300L and I'm still amazed how many unskilled riders I encounter who are riding much more powerful Dual Sport and ADV bikes. So far I've spent over $ 2,000 on quality gear and $ 2,500 on off road training with our local BMW off road riding academy. This is far more than I have spent on farkles so far.
I loved your antics up in Canada on the 250 F with the Traction eRag guys and can safely say, "You've paid your dues" and your opinion is SPOT ON😀
BTW Adam Riemann agrees with you so there's an additional feather for your cap. Cheers!
Adams current Thailand "Enduro madness" tour series has been amazing ! Granted I do have a similarly modified 300l like they are on but this showcases how capable and versatile the bike is. I have a 2 stroke Husky that I love but honestly the 300l is still very much an absolute blast.
Talking shit about myself is part of the Dork persona. It keeps me humble ;)
Also tell me more about this "Adam Riemann agrees with you" business?
@ Let’s put this video into the “great minds thinking alike’ category.
You are not mentioned by name but you guys are totally on the same page.
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I love the fact that you have come from a teaching background and share your experiences with all riders.
Adam was a dirt bike racer and the fact that you guys totally are in sync from such divergent backgrounds speaks volumes. Both you guys have “dirt cred” 😍
I completely agree with you! Most these bike are great but can't imagine trying to learn on one. KLX 300 or CRF300 are great beginners bike but will also do good in the hands of more experienced riders. The new Suzuki 400S might be a good bike for beginners and one that will last you for a long time and not out grow it or get bored like the 300's
I think you are spot on. I ride a wr250r, and I love it, it's tuned up a bit to be spunkier, and is all around great, that said, I took a friend's drz400 for a quick spin just to diagnose a noise, and good lord, just that extra chunk of displacement for torqeu, it just refuses to stall short of the most asinine clutch antics. The new one being fuel injected would be just another mark in it's favor for someone learning, even if it is a touch heavy.
My advice, if you are truly a beginner on dirt, get a cheap used bike. Makes sure it is as light as possible, low seat height and not too much horsepower (125 - 359 cc). After you drop it a dozen times you will appreciate the above characteristics. Then purchase your first real dual sport. I have a crf300 rally and a ktm500 excf. Both required modifications to be a great rides. The KTM needed the pipe opened, and an ecu with a friendly trail map choice. The Honda needed a full pipe, ecu flash and better suspension to be rideable off road. Both are great fun, depending on how fast or how much road I want to go.
Good picks for bikes. Sucks that you have to spend almost $2000 to get them to run right...
I grew up riding dirt bikes, got a 2018 crf250l 2 years ago as my first street bike, after riding it offroad and on road for 2 summers and burning through a rear tire I was itching for more power. I got a 2017 ktm excf 500 this fall and wow is it so much better, I have experience wrenching on cars and bikes so frequent oil changes and valve check weren't a concern, I've got street rims and tires ready to go on in spring, already has a 4 gallon tank, skid plate and seatconcepts comfort.
Agreed on the 450L - so glad people are buying them without research 😅- got two used with mods done at great prices.. great list Ben.
One of the best beginners bikes is the Honda xr150l. Affordable, fun to ride, low maintenance, good looking, low seat and weight. I can keep going. That was the bike I started aay back in my country and I bought one here in North America. Honda Fan Boy
@gravitymedia9151 I got one. Also, I want the 300l rally. But the 150 is perfect for new riders
@@Robbiebandz2020 I really want that one too. Looks like a fun bike to ride.
Have a road bike, but started my off road learning on a little 140 Kawasaki KLX - small, lightweight, super forgiving clutch and gearing, and could walk it through anything if I had to. So confidence inspiring, and gave me a “feel” for off road. Now I’m riding a Yamaha XT225, again, this little bike is confidence and skill building. IMHO, the skills need to come first, before levelling up in power, height, and weight.
Spent my life since 16 years old and went to motorcycle mechanics school in 1982 got out in 83 and been on bikes my whole life( I'm 60 now) and have 2 motorcycles ( 1988 xr600r registered for the road and a 1996 vt1100c spirit) I will sell both of them for a 2016 honda crf 250 rally,reason is I can go anywhere on earth and do it quietly and only have a oil change a year and small maintenance. I sold motorcycles most my life and always listened to the person buying and made sure they got a small bike , why? Because if they don't feel intimidated by the bike they will pay more attention to what's around them. Your going to make what ever choices and it's not the end of the world if you need to step up or down. I started out on british bikes 650 triumphs BSA 650 and it was all we could afford ( Hondas were expensive! ) good video and it's magic no matter what much love & respect ❤😊
I've been following your posts for two years now. They are honest and well organized. And some humor.
Good video and comments. My first bike was a brand new 1991 DR350S...was very tall for my 29" legs, kick start only, I dropped it a lot...lol. switched to street bikes a few years later and then stopped riding for about 8 years. Got back into riding in 2020 with a KTM 390 Adventure. Traded the KTM for the Aprilia Tuareg 660...great choice...better at all aspects than the KTM 390 Adv. Wanted a lighter more off-road so I also bought a 2023 Kawasaki KLX300DS. Loved the KLX 300 but realized after one season that I needed/wanted a more capable dual sport so I traded it in for a Beta 390 RS(1" lowering kit and comfort low Seat Concepts to accommodate my 5'6" height) Love the Beta! Engine has good tractoring ability but also willing to rip when you're ready to twist the throttle. All this being said I am glad I progressed through these bikes before I jumped on the Beta. My riding skills are progressing with my bike choices and performance capabilities. Thanks for the entertaining and informative content. I'm turning 60 this year so it's never too late to get back into riding...
Good video, good advice. I clearly don’t pay enough attention to other people’s opinions. My first dual sport bike is a 690 enduro r (in fact it can be seen in the background of your 690 review video). My son’s first dual sport is a 500exc. We both have a habit of learning things the hard way. I’m sure there are easier bikes to get started on… but these are so much fun.
Ok - so my first grown up bike as a 50something new rider, because I’m an old squid, after passing my test here in the UK was a Kove 450 Rally. The logic was simple: I can’t afford two bikes, much less garage them. But everything you say about that bike is true. No matter how fast you ride it, it goes “wait, what? Give it some beans lad!” It hates going slow. My favourite off road instructor made it dance on the lumpiest bits of the track he teaches on and pronounced it a “good bike, that.” But it’s crazy tall, and always - I mean always - lays itself down with the wheels pointing uphill. So a few months ago, sense and reason kicked in and I bought a second hand GPX 300 to learn on. At roughly the same time a CFmoto 450 mt dropped out of the sky on me, and now I have three bikes. And I found the garage space. I love the Kove to bits but I’m afraid it’ll have to go when the weather improves and people start buying bikes again because I can’t afford three. Here’s the thing though - the cfmoto + second hand gpx cots me less than the Kove did new…
Love your work - keep it coming!
I totally relate to your experience with the Honda 450RL. It was the worst bike-buying decision I have ever made. The flame-out issue was the last straw. Extremely dangerous when attempting slow technical riding on steep terrain. I have been a huge Honda fan for many years and did not see that coming from them. I hope Honda considers these factors in future designs. On a positive note, I really appreciate your videos and the valuable insights you share-keep up the fantastic work!
#1-> 1:10 - KTM 690 / Husqvarna 701 enduro / GasGas 700es
#2-> 2:29 - KTM 500 exc-f / Husqvarna fe501 / KTM 350 exc-f / Beta 430/390/500 / Yamaha wr450
#3-> 3:49 - Suzuki dr350
#4-> 5:01 - Kove 450
#5-> 6:33 - Honda crf450L
Your advice is good. It can be difficult once a person gains experience to remember the difficulties and challenges faced by beginners. The 500 KTM like you say is amazing and I love it but chances are it would be too intimidating for many beginners.
At some level, the traits that don’t make a good beginner bike actually make a good filter for whether a sport/activity/skill are good for someone to seek out. My first ever motorcycle riding experience was on a brand new Kawasaki KDX200. Kickstart, 2 stroke, jetting, and I was on it ripping through gears like I was meant to be on a motorcycle on day one. If not for the hard stuff to act as a checkpoint, there wouldn’t be a good way to make sure you’re “in the right room.” The kickstarter is like the Sorting Hat in Harry Potter …
I’m glad I started young but more important I’m glad I started on a 1970 Yamaha 175 Enduro. The low seat height made it perfect you sat more in the bike than on top of the bike, I have a XT 250 although capable don’t enjoy as much as I did my 175, some of that maybe youthful memories but I took that 175 up some crazy hill climbs and trails. My point is I think what’s often considered a beginners bike is to tall, to heavy and to powerful to be fun.
@@56Spookdog I had a Yamaha 175 about that time, it was the mx model. Boy did I love the sound of the factory expansion chamber. Wish i still had it.
Good one Ben, thanks!
I'm 63, been ridin since i was a kid, rode lots of bikes, bought a 2015 CRF250 a while back, been having a blast at Hollister OHV, easy and fun to ride, it's a good old Honda, easy to pick up too!
Ride on!
I had a 17 fe501s. Best bike i have ever owned. I just sold it and bought a gg700. The maintenance on the 500/501 ruin it for longer runs. I found your channel because i recently bought a klx230s to run the local trails in central oregon and dont feel like wrestling the power of the 700. I have been setting it up as a lightweight adv bike and its been really fun.
I am a veteran rider in Aus with over 50 years of bush and road riding experience and I think your assessment is spot on when talking of bike not suited to the new/novice riders in the off road/ Dual sport category.
As for beginner bikes to get into dual sport and trail riding, I don't think you can go past the following list of great beginner bikes.
IMO for a newbie any second hand bike 5-10 YO is a great start as you will drop it and crash it many times as you learn to ride.
Parts are still easily available and you can get some bikes in great condition at very affordable prices.
Just do your homework and get it checked out before you spend your hard earned/ saved up cash.
Remember buy a good second hand bike and then go up once you have gained experience you will possibly get what you paid for the bike when you sell it again.
Honda CRF230/ CRF250, XR150L
Kawasaki KLX230 KLX300
Yamaha TW200 for WRF250 older TTR250
Suzuki DRZ400E electric start.
Beta Xtrainer 250 two stroke
I think you hit the nail on the head so hard you broke the handle out of the hammer on this one Ben, great advice for the beginners.
Well that's nice of you to say ;)
Great advice, Ben, you never wanna start out on something that’s twitchy you wanna start out on something that’s comfortable you can get your feet down on the ground so if you do stop, you can stop and something to have fun. You don’t wanna be scared on your first bike. Looking forward to your next video. Thank you.
Hahaha.... I started on a 93' Yamaha XT600 (30 years ago this February...yay 😃). That was my first bike and first dual sport. I dumped it probably 6 times in the first hour of riding. As it turns out February in Alaska was too cold and icy... and a 35" seat height didn't play well with my 30" inseam and zero skill on a 350lb Yamaha. Hey, I just couldn't wait to ride. 🤣 None of that stopped me from slapping Pirelli MT-21s on and hitting the trails, but it was a sweatfest lugging that big bike around. A couple years later I found an irresistible deal on a Honda XR250L... and immediately became faster and more confident on the trails on that smaller less horsepower bike. You'll never regret the decision to start on a bike that's easier to manage and that will inspire confidence instead of frustration.
Funny thing is, I currently have a KTM 450 EXCR and love it, ... all but the 37" seat height... but for the past 6 years it's been wearing Moto tires for street use... and again, I'm looking for short, light, and mild to get reacquainted with dirt as it's been a while and my skills are rusty. The CRF230Fs and TTR230s look pretty good for getting my feet wet again and they're far easier to maintain.
Based on the stated target audience (never ridden on dirt, or along those lines), I’d suggest starting on an air-cooled small displacement dirt bike like a used CRF150F and focus on dirt riding before getting too worked up over having a “real” dual sport bike, or or putting some decent dirt tires on an XR150L if one has to have the street riding capability (or a TTR equivalent, etc).
It’s been my experience that getting out and having fun in the dirt on a low horsepower bike and starting to push the limits while limiting the potential consequences when one goes over the line is the best path for new riders. Getting 30 - 40 hours under the belt on a small bike like one of these also gives a new rider the foundation for getting on a CRF300L or a DRZ-400 (or whatever) and actually making their own decision on what makes sense for them. (It also gives them a chance to meet other riders who might let the jump on their 300L and take it for a spin.)
I bought a crf450l as a first bike, learnt to ride on rode then started doing single track /enduro style riding, had a few scary moments and took a while to build up confidence, wouldn't recommend, you'll have more fun learning on a tamer bike
Thanks for the video. I was wondering why there were so many used CRF450 dual sports for sale on Facebook Marketplace. Now I get it.
I started on a 1978 Yamaha DT250 back in 1980, when they still made real dual PURPOSE bikes. (It was actually Honda that coined the term "dual sport" with their NX series bikes, which really weren't that great off road) Two of the best dual purpose bikes for beginners are no longer available new, but there are a lot of used ones out there, are the Suzuki DR200 and Yamaha XT225. I'll toss the Honda XR230L in there as well, though they are a bit harder to find than the other two. Also the CARBURETED version of the Yamaha XT250 is a good one. For new bikes, the fat tire Yamaha TW200 is about the only one out there. But it's a good one. There are very few places it won't go. For larger bikes, the Suzuki DR650 and Honda XR650L are good choices, as is the first generation Kawasaki KLR650 through 2007. The second generation KLR650 is a bit heavy and unwieldy, mostly because of the oversized fairing. I see it more as an adventure bike. But if that is what you want, it's actually an ok bike, just stay with the CARBURETED models. That's pretty much it, as far as bikes that are new or still commonly available used.
For beginner dual purpose riders, there are a few things you need to be prepared for. While these bikes are street legal, they are not that great on the street. Putting street oriented tires on them make them better, but unless you are going full supermoto, it's best to consider them dirt bikes that just happen to be street legal, which comes in handy in getting to the dirt, and riding on trails that require a street legal bike. AZ has LOTS of those. The next thing is flat tires. All dual purpose bikes have tube type tires, and you WILL have flat tires. Make sure you are capable of fixing a flat with tube type tires by yourself if you ever ride alone, and that you carry everything necessary with you to do the repair. The Suzuki DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650 have aftermarket centerstands available, and I HIGHLY recommend them. On my Yamaha XT225, I had a luggage rack on it, and had a milk crate attached to it. When I had a flat (that is WHEN, not IF) I would remove the milk crate, dump everything out, flip it over, and lift the bike up on it. DO NOT use those little support sticks. Your bike WILL fall over.
Avoid any EFI bike, they can and will leave you stranded. And there is no rigging them to get you out of the middle of nowhere. I rode a first generation Kawasaki KLR650, with a centerstand, from Phoenix, AZ to Deadhorse, AK and back many years ago, had three flat tires, and got some fuel with water in it. I was able to drain the water out of the carburetor without having to empty the whole tank. Not possible on an EFI bike. Oh, and avoid ANY Chinese bike.
Counterpoint to the Kickstart only debate. My first bike was a 1993 xr250L that I bought in 2021 (running and riding). I think the best thing that it did for me was punish mistakes. If I stalled, had to kick it back to life. If I dropped it, it would protest starting for at least five minutes and 20 perfect kicks. I'm in the process of getting it running better now, but every experience that it gave me was extremely valuable.
Depending on the person you can grow into these less than ideal beginner bikes pretty quick. I debated between the Honda CRF300L or the CRF45RL for my next duel sport after a 35 year hiatus eventually going with the 450 for the power, adjustable suspension and longer term potential. I’ve been very happy with that decision and after about 4 months my confidence and skills are returning.
I started on an XT250. as a small woman, it was too heavy for me. Then I went for a TTR125 (big wheel) and street legaled it. Grew out of it too fast; it was a poor choice but I still love the stupid bugger. Then went to a Beta 350 RRS and lowered it 2". I wish I would have went straight to the Beta. The only drawback is the 30 hour oil change, but If you're going to ride bikes you should know how to do that any way. Takes me 45min now in the garage (oil change and total clean up, plus im slow lol) and its skills I'm glad I learned.
I still think I'm a beginner. I put 240 hours on my Beta in the first year and its such a fantastic bike. I think its a great beginner bike because its so lightweight and smaller than a KTM. (smaller in overall bike size). If you're a small woman, a 300 lb bike is still heavy if you drop it a few times on the trail and that weight adds up. The -50lbs on the Beta was a game changer for me. But women riders are a niche group, so maybe my opinion is niche in that regard.
Regarding the KTM 500 EXC-F: It really is the best dual sport bike, but the vibration is obnoxious. It's not annoying if a person is riding a lot of technical terrain, trails, etc. where you spend most of the day standing up. If you are doing nothing but riding forest service roads, sitting down, or not moving around on the bike much, the vibration is VERY annoying. I test rode the 500 and 350 twice at the Touratech Rally in 2024. Just like I remembered from the 500 EXC-F I had back in 2012, the vibration of the 500 was horrendous. Some riders may not be as sensitive to the vibration, but a lot of people I talk to don't like the vibration either. the 350 was not nearly as annoying. My 450 isn't bad, but it's a lot less than the 500. The 450 is an odd model from KTM - in 2019, the only way to get the 450 dual sport model was the Six Days Edition.
I'd have a hard time recommending someone buy the KTM 350/450/500 EXC-F as their primary dual sport bike if they do nothing but fire roads and easy terrain. Too much maintenance is required (oil changes, valve checks, top end refresh, etc.). Riding dirt roads all day, you rack up a lot of miles, fast, which compounds the more maintenance on top of the short maintenace intervals.
The above info is why my 2019 KTM 450 EXC-F is not my primary bike, my DRZ is, which I've owned since 2006.
My KTM only comes out of the trailer/garage for special occasions, such as trail riding or challenging rides like what I did on some days down in Death Valley in 2024. 4 riding season on my KTM and it still only has only 2100 or so miles on it, since I save it for special rides as described above.
I got back into riding on a KLR 650. I hadn't been on a bike in 15 years but I did have some experience in the dirt. I had a great time on that Pig but I quickly began looking for a smaller bike. I found a 2019 KLX 250, geared it down and went single tracking. The extra 10 teeth on the rear means it will cruise at 55 at around 6000rpm. That sucks for the street but it is great off road. I kept the 650 for dirt road exploring and even bought another for street riding. You don't need 1 bike, you need 3.
Yep... I absolutely love my 2024 CRF450RL but I've been riding forever. I would not recommend this bike for someone that doesn't have as lot of dirt experience.
I've been riding since the 80s. Raced motocross and Supercross for years and years.im 55 now and my body suffers from all the motto days.im in the market for a CRF300L I rode one and loved it.its mellow and easy to ride. I'm ok with buying a beginner bike just to cruise and adventure on.
Do people really just shyte all over your vids? I don't read comments, but as a fan of your channel for a few years now, I value your opinion.
My first dual sport was a KLR650 I did the doo, added better springs, did the carb mod and exhaust and got it to power wheelie and it was great but then I upgraded to a Crf450x which I gotbthe tusk street legal kit and got it registered for the road and that was a blast but the damn intake valves stretched like once a month so I sold it. Tracer 900 in light adventure mode is my tourer and a sportsman 850 is my offroad machine.
My first dualsport was a 95 DR350 but it was an electric start model and that was back in 1999 when parts were easy to find, great bike. Switched to the DRZ400S in the early 2000`s, had several since, still have a well worn 2011.
Started as a 12 y.o kid on a 50cc Honda monkey bike. Worked for me. Had a few cheap off road bikes until I got my own job, and then a Honda XL500s that I rode in all environments. Today's bikes are awesome, but no more fun than old motorcycles.
I really enjoy your videos. I appreciate your perspective on these bikes and your voice is quite soothing as well.😊
I totally agree 👍.
Apart from the kove, ridden all the motorbikes in your video.
Keep rolling the videos!!!!!!
I have road experience and rod dirtbikes when i was a kid but got a 300l last march. Love it. Will pretty much go anywhere. Great to learn on amd get confidence.
I fully agree with your comments. I'm intermediate rider ( experienced but old), now riding a 500excf (11.000km on the European TET, BDR like tracks), after a 701E (14.000km), and an African Twin crf1000dct.
The Ktm500 is easier than the Honda450l, the only difficult point for beginner is seat height, otherwise lightness and strong torque at low rev are helping a lot.
For sure CRF300L is a good beginner bike, very capable , but somewhat heavy for technical challenges.
The Beta Alp 4.0 ( a 350cc engine) would be my suggestiin for a beginner.
Always enjoy your take on different motorcycle subjects. In particular the KTM exc 500. They're expensive to purchase expensive to keep up expensive to have any work done on them. Also the rebuild after 1 season of riding aproximately at 5k. Love the Honda XR650L but I am 68 and it became too heavy for me if I ever dropped it out by myself I I can't lift the bike. All the new flat piston engines,frankly Is like buying a project. Would love to see your take on any dirt bikes that you recommended for recreational riding (for an old rider) that one could ride say 25 or 30 K miles before a rebuild is necessary. Provided you keep up with the maintenance especially clean oil clean air filters Etc thank you for your good job reporting this topic.
I bought a 2018 CRF250L based partly on your years of videos. Changed the rear sprocket and added a full Racetech front and rear suspension kit. The bike was great stock but this took it to a new level. The bike is fun, easy and practically maintenance free. Your reviews are great, thanks.
I started on a 22' klx300r and rode it for about 26hrs before I decided I wanted something more. Decided to go to a Beta Demo Day and that sealed my fate. After riding a 23' Beta 390rr, I knew I had to have one. I ended up getting a leftover 23' model for $2k off msrp about two months later. I will say it is definitely too much bike for a beginner, but It is very easy to ride and I've yet to become bored riding it like I did the klx. I will caveat that I grew up riding three wheelers and four wheelers but didn't get into two wheeled bikes until the past couple years.
Great advice ! I own a crf450L. He is spot on. Beginners need to accept the learning curve with a low cc, soft suspension, low seat height bike. Then move to a better suspension good and throttle behavior bike. Personally I love the Honda XR 250 1989-1994 era as a first bike.
I believe you a correct. The issue that I see is that there are so many options. My opinion is that new riders really need self control and should start 100% off road on an older bike that is affordable and easy to work on and maintain. Learn how to do plugs, tire changes, flat repairs, oil and filter changes. If one is still in love with the hobby take the riders training course to learn to ride on the road. After someone gets the experience, ride a couple different bikes and choose what fits the best.
Years ago I started on a yz80, then a cr125, cr250, cr500. First street bike was a 500 ninja then dyna wide glide, fat boy, street glide, 1290 sar, 1200 gsa. Now I ride a Harley street slide and a Ktm 500excf. I started in the dirt then learned how to ride around cars. Ill trailer the 500 to ride and camp but if I want to ride the road its the Harley. Just my opinion. Start small, easy and cheap. Focus on one discipline get experience and enjoy
I started on a Honda Z50 in 1979. With only a 3 speed transmission, small tires and about 1 gal fuel tank my adventures were limited by distance. Although, that little bike carried me around for years and took me to beautiful places. Now I ride a CRF450l with all the goodies and pass broke down KTM’s regularly. The oil gets changed every 1000 miles and never had a problem.
All my KTMs were perfectly fine the last 20 years, but there’s something about my CRF 450L at high speed in the desert that just feels right
I think the problem w/ this bike is that for any non-wide-open riding it's just not great. The ECU fixes a slot, but it's still nowhere as capable and fun as a 350 EXC-F if you're not desert riding.
Agreed. I bought a 2023 Husqvarna FE350s (same as the KTM 350) to replace my XR650R as my dual sport. It's light and powerful, but it's buzzy, twitchy, and jerky. It's way harder to ride in the dirt than my 300 2T, and it's not fun around town. I'm selling the Husky and trading my XR/R for a DR650 (it'll be my third!). The DR is a good dual sport, but not for beginners; it's pretty heavy. So is the DRZ400. I'm giving my DRZ to my nephew to start on, but he's 6'4", strong AF, and a downhill MTB racer, so hopefully the extra ponies and pounds won't hold him back for very long.
I grew up riding, then didn't ride for like 20 years, because, Alaska. I started back out on a Suzuki DR 650. Slightly heavy, but very inexpensive, and moderate power, despite being a 650. Over the years of riding i have upgraded quite a bit for more power and rideability because the power was so low key. Still have it, and bought a Tiger 900 RP.
I think your advice is very sound. However, I bought a 2023 350 EXC-F two years ago. I had never been offload on a bike before. For me it's been phenomenal. I've taken it slow, but it's been the perfect bike for me so far. It has me completely addicted to trail riding now, and I really want a 300 XC-W.
I started out on a 2022 CRF450RL. Getting close to 9,000 miles and the only issue it’s ever given me is the starter reduction gear shearing which made me have to bump start it to get it going again. Other than that, it’s been a great bike and fun to ride. I couldn’t find a KLX/CRF300 for months and jumped on the opportunity to get the 450RL.
Reliable Red!!! My previous bikes were 89 xr 250 r, 94xr 650 L , 03 crf 450 r, n recently 16 crf 250L 250 was fun n could handle technical trails but could use more power. 650L was big n heavy great for open trails not for technical use. 450 eFn AMAZING light weight sooo much power n agile! (Fav) crf 250L great for old guys like me n beginners, could use suspension n power upgrades but great bang for the buck ( got it for 3k w/ 5600 miles new tires batt air filter bars n levers. Absolutely Love It! 60-76 mpg to boot. Keep that ruber down fellas 😊
Riding a crf300l now. Can't wait to upgrade to the 450 in a few years
I’m glad you acknowledged now good the KTM/Husq 500s are. I would argue that they’re great for beginners. They’re not insanely powerful in factory trim, in fact they’re pretty choked up by the emissions spec. They’re the lightest out there so repeatedly picking them up is going to be easier than on anything else. The 2024s come with great suspension and they can be had on sale for appx $9k. In reality that’s just a couple thousand more than a CRF300 Rally, which is way heavier and has way worse suspension.
Well, I'm not exactly new to ride on/off road but there has been a very long break in the middle. I've opted for a trusty little Honda XR190CT, a 184cc farm bike. I put the original road chain and sprockets on it for NZ$50/US$25 and it will happily sit all day on the speed limit of 100km/h(60mph) and can be pushed up to 115km/h(70mph). I is light, economical, relatively low and does all that I ask of it's massive 11KW(14 ponies).
LOL. You always know "what the Hell you are talking about." You are like a biking God to us.
Good video and I agree for what that is worth as an older experienced rider.
I started on a used r1250gsa. Did my first two BDR's and it was really challenging. Dropped the big tons of times. Ended up buying a crf300L, which did great offroad, but struggles on the highway. Hoping that the F450gs can be the perfect middle weight I'm looking for.
Very very good advice. Just my opinion. Thanks for taking the time to put this video together.
Agreed, nice video. I also agree with you on the 690/701, appears to a lot of people to be the “lt” light adv bike…..but it’s not.
Started in the 80's on a minibike with a peddle friction brake and a Briggs and Stratton 5hp engine😂, yz80, kx125, Husqvarna 250, fast forward about 15 years of no motorcycle. Picked up a Tenere 1200 rode it off road all over Colorado, Arkansas, Georgia, North Carolina, and Tennessee. Took it places it didn't belong but had a blast😂. Looking for something MUCH lighter now, but going to need some power. That's whey I'm here😂!
Ok here goes. I'm 42 and have a bit of dirt bike experience from my youth but stopped riding around 21. I started on a Suzuki PE50 bumped up to a 1983 XR100 for a year before moving on to the PE 175 and finally the 87 kx500. So even though its been 20 years I do have a bit of dirt experience and would still feel very comfortable on dirt and some mild single track stuff. I considered something like the DR400 but felt it would come up short on any longer runs I may do in the future... Like the WA and ID BDR. I've been going back and fourth between the T7 and KLR650. When I stay close to home (PNW) I would be doing more service road riding with some back country fishing :) and then around town stuff. Thoughts on the 2 bikes I've mentioned for what I'd like to do?
Another great video, I own a DR350s and I will say that it’s a great bike for people that want the old school “80s-90s” style but a drz400 is far superior. Riding my Dr reminds me of riding my KDX 200, definitely more of a dirtbike than a dual sport
I haven't ever owned one, but the Yamaha WR250R seems like a great bike to grow into for a newbie off-pavement rider.
This a wonderful bike. Light and powerful, but just right. Super reliable
Tall seat height, narrow peaky power band. The opposite of beginner friendly. But experienced riders love them!
@papatorr3669 Good to know, thanks! I'm 6'-3" tall with a 34" inseam, so a tall seat is fine but obviously that's not true for everyone
I had a CRF 450RL and yes it was twitchy. I put a lot into it to try and smooth it out and never got it there. I have the KTM 500 excf. I absolutely love it. Very smooth throttle and tractors' up tight single track with ease. Because I wanted to adventure ride with it I had to invest several hundred into it. the maintenance intervals can be a pain but easy to do. Good stuff.
A friend of my dad gave my brother and I a Keystone minibike. It had a clutch, but we couldn't get it hooked up. It came from the factory with a rear brake only. It had a pull start two stroke motor, but we couldn't get the recoil to work properly. The throttle lever/twistgrip was missing so we pulled on the cable near the gas tank. We had helmet, gloves and boots. One of us would push the other to start it and you had to keep going without stalling or you were on your own.
You completely surprised me with including the DR350 on this list. I am a 48 year old complete newb with very limited dirt bike and atv experience. That being said, my buddy who has a stable of bikes, and is a mechanic, recommended a DR350 for my first bike. He knew I wanted to ride in the dirt and on the back roads and maybe even take it on the nebdr. Anyway, I got a 96 SE (5k miles)with both electric a kick start and have enjoyed the hell out of it for the past 9 months. Other than small repairs, what would be the other negatives about the bike that puts it on this list? Thanks for the insight!
There are no negatives. You got one of the best dual sports ever built and no bike available new right now will come close to it.
Honestly it's mostly on there because everything else is so obvious and there had to be something at least semi controversial and I personally would not recommend it to a beginner.
As a former (recent) DR350 owner -sold to a friend for steal. Certain parts for dr350s are getting very hard to source + it is definitely using a vintage style ergonomics that some of the more modern bikes completely outclass. The DR350 is a fantastic bike tho, and anyone who talks bad about my baby can go pound sand! Also, fight me, the Dr350 is a better bike than the drz400 :/
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@@marchofthecontraption8060 I just bought one recently and love it. Haven't had to do much work to it other than cleaning the float bowl once. What parts should I be on the look out for that might be kind of hard to find in the future?
I bought a crf300 rally as a beginner dual sport bike and to moto camp off. And picked up a 2nd hand fe501 to blast around and go fast on for now and to build into a decent dual sport in a few years time
Starting out on the wrong bike is a make or break for many. I also watched your best dual sport video also. Although it doesn't fit your criteria, I love the Honda XR 150L. I have a KTM 450EXC and other bikes, but I picked the XR 150L for one reason, price. Under $4,000 OTD. I needed a bike to putt around the national forest. The KTM, as you know are screamers and are not happy unless you are on the throttle. I had other bikes I was interested, XT250 and TW200. They cannot be bought used under $4,500 unless they are total garbage. It is great as long as you don't need to go over 50 mph, not at all highway friendly. A small dual sport is always fun at any skill level. I have the top performer dual sport and the bottom performer. Honestly, I am having more fun with the XR right now.
Imma be honest, not because I have any reason to lie but just for the sake of the phrase. I love dual sporting. I love camping but not everyone in my family does and it is hard to get the time away from my family, which I love more than dual sporting and camping. The idea of convincing my family members to go bounce around on rocks, struggle through Creeks, and to go sleep in mosquito ridden bogs... Just isn't worth it for me 😢. as much as I wish it was. So I compromise by doing it a few times a year with a person who I've convinced that this activity is fun. And by the end of the trip every single time I cannot express how happy I am to see my family again.
A win this year is a family member has been converted into thinking its going to be great to come along! I am super excited, but at the same time I'm scared that they're not going to get the same type of experience of the stories they've heard over the past 5 years. Like do we jump into the deep end? Do I do my best to make this a as casual fun?
You can be like stick to your true self. Do what you would do. Anyways, That's the stories you've told them! Those stories sparked that interest to the point of wanting to join you, but I have multiple years of off-road camping long distance adv touring and even more years of hardcore Enduro riding experience that they don't have, very spooky.
In the end I don't believe im that unique with some of these people who are selling the 1k mi bike out there. You did your one trip that long way around or an Influencer convinced you would have a great time doing and then you found that doing it solo wasn't what you actually wanted. You wanted the community aspect. You wanted to do it with someone else. Getting someone to plunk down $10,000 on this experience once a year is a hard pill to swallow when that could be a trip to Europe, Asia, Africa wherever! I understand you buy once you cry once, but still...10k can easily be 3-5 dream trips to the most wicked places when 10k worth of dual sport, kit and camping gear only makes sense if you use it.
I have the FE501S and I knew it would be on here lol. It is my first dual sport but I rode dirt bikes for years and had a ninja 650R. Made me happy to hear you say it's the best dual sport bike out there though!
The DR350 isn’t for everyone. I wanted one since I was a kid and finally got the e-start model when I was 20, and I still have it 7 years later, she’s a 385cc now and heavily modified and a very fun and quick bike. If you buy one long term you will learn everything about them and probably become a Suzuki DR fan, best dual sport of its time and still can hang. Plus big aftermarket and active community
I am an experienced rider. Started on 80’s in my teens & went from those straight to 250’s by the time I was 15. I’ve been a woods/enduro/motox rider on & off for the last 30+ years. I got into dual sports 1.5 years ago & my budget only allowed for a used ‘15 CRF250L. I’ve put about every upgrade you can on that bike & it’s still not what I’m looking for.
With all that being said, if you have minimal experience riding on the dirt then I highly suggest you go with a bigger, more powerful bike cause the CRF250L will leave you wanting more.
Can you make a video about what you consider a beginner (/intermediate/advanced)?
You’re right on the 450 cc aspect. I have a 2024 wr450f and it is NOT a beginners bike. I would suggest a tw200 for a straight beginner to see if they even like the sport or just like the idea of the sport. I ran into a guy this summer on a kove trying to tackle single track. Needless to say, he didn’t go very far.
WR250R is a great beginner bike. Just put a shorter spring in if it's too tall for you. It has great reliability, is stable, easy to ride and enough power to have a bit of fun, but not enough to get you into trouble.
Love this approach to this set of videos!
Look everyone is telling people what to buy. It's great to see a list of what you should NOT buy.
The Dr 350 with electric start is a great bike to start with. It's forgiving not overpowered it's a tractor I own one I'm 56 years old I've had a lot of dual sports over the years. This one I will keep for the rest of my life
I made the mistake of starting on a CRF450RL (with the ECU mod and exhaust!) and it still had a propensity to stall unless babied very carefully. Thank goodness it didn't die when I went to trade it in for a Tenere 700 a few months back! (I have a lot of street riding experience and have taken both on- and off-road classes to bolster that.)
The 450RL is possibly the best dual-sport if you are 6 feet tall and 50 years old but still wanna rip for real at any moment.
Just not necessarily for new riders because of the learning curve and like many other bikes it can be a money pit at first-
but if they stick with it and dont die they will eventually be fine like i was.
9 months later and my neighbors are calling me Evil Kenevil and with 2,500 miles it all broken in now-
bike runs like a swiss watch and rides like a dream even in the dead of winter and not even a hint of having a single issue whatsoever.
Crashed 100 times and only a scratch on my header heat sheild.
I have an FE501 and I think it is very close to the perfect dual sport, but perhaps not the best choice for a beginner. I’d consider myself an intermediate rider. The FE501 has more than adequate power, is very light weight, and the suspension is as good as it gets. If you have at least some off road experience, and you’re serious about dual sport riding, and you want a bike that you’re not going to outgrow, the FE501 ( or the orange equivalent ) is worth considering.
I'm 38 and have never ridden off-road, but have been riding road bikes for nearly 20 years. My current bike for the last 7 years has been a 2010 Triumph Rocket 3 Roadster, with numerous mods to get it to 167 RWHP :) I have my sites set eventually on a "Tiger 1200 Rally Explorer" or similar bike to get into long distance, unrestricted Adventure touring, but need to start from scratch with the off-road learning. I was thinking a 600+ KTM or 700 Tenere would be a good start but I'm open to suggestions and will keep watching these type of videos for advice. (for reference I'm in Australia where you can have literally no fun at all on-road without risking your license, so want to be able to not be restricted by where I can ride).
Its not just that people start on the wrong dual sport. It's that some people shouldn't even ride motorcycles. Go rent one a couple times and see if you even like motorcycles. Lots of people buy motorcycles, quads, and SxS then never use them.
Hey. Keep it to yourself, man. 😉
I completely agree, but without people doing such things, I wouldn't have been able to obtain my bikes at such a discount.
Agreed. When I was getting my bike licence I was in a class with a few ladies and man they were a danger to society and themselves
Got a 450rl due to my your review. Yes it's nuts off road but that's what I love about it. Having ridden Supersports all my life, the power definitely didn't intimidate me.
If you want to ride on dirt you should get a smaller Cc bike to get used to having no grip. Maybe even give Motorcross/enduro tracks a go. It will help massively with off road stuff
I bought a KLX230S ABS as my first bike 2 years ago (put 1500 miles on it). Plenty of power to learn and go anywhere. You are right anything over 300cc and 300lbs to start on is a dumb idea
Thank you, great overview! Newbies should start with something light, simple, cheap and not much power-to-weight ratio. Period.
Just the fact that someone can afford an expensive fancy bike doesn't mean he'll ride better and learn faster, probably rather the opposite.
I started 50 years ago on the Honda Monkey. Still at it....and I love my 701..
I also agree on the "not a DR 250 / 350S/SE as a beginner bike" nowadays, since there's better choices available. Also, a new / beginner rider won't want to be wrenching on an old relic. At the age they are now, the suspension will need rebuilt and all the swingarm bearings will likely need replaced along with wheel bearings, chain, sprockets and who knows what else.
My first bike was a new 1994 DR350SE (E = electric start). '94 was the first year of E-start. I went through two DR350SEs before buying my DRZ.
The 250/350 feels a lot heavier than a DRZ. The entire bike was wider than a DRZ. The air filter was a PITA to reinstall after cleaning it. The filter was pretty small too.
The 350 feels heavier than a 400? The 350 is 270lbs... I've never sat on a 400 that felt lighter than my 350 and to me the 400 feels like a skyscraper. Just my opinion. I also own one that's got 30k miles with stock suspension and swing arm bearings! They last a long long time if serviced correctly. Most people that sell the 350 to get a 400 tell me they wish they had the 350 back.
Ben, I think we better differentiate noobie categories as "1st time at all" vs "noob on dirt but with good road experience". Your list is perfect for the first group. For the 2nd group it is not that definite since the riders are used to deal with the power and experienced with the throttle control. After many years riding 1200cc sport-tourer I got WR450F as my first dirt bike and sometimes felt unnecessary underpowered.
Also, need to take into consideration would the bike be used on fast freeways like riding from home to the trails and back or it'll be moved on a truck or trailer. Getting something super-forgiving like Yamaha TW200 would be deadly dangerous in the first scenario...
Powerful road bikes ruined my “butt dyno”. Even a T7 or 690/701 feels sluggish on the street. It’s different when things get loose though. That extra power can be a liability.
@ oh really?