bought my xl650 about mid 2016 i think and the actual frame looks nearly identical to the xl750 with the extra fill in strength support in the o frame as well as having the grease nipples on the pivot bolts.
I know I have lots of problems with the 650 and glad they went back to the tried and tru 550 primer system. Lots of primer problems with the 650, primers somehow get on there sides, they hang up or stick, dial sticks on everything it seems, you have to get a primer even if you don’t need it which means your always having to put primers back into the system. I have gotten to the point I will just hand prime my cases first then throw them into the hopper, it is that much faster, plus I clean my cases and check them at the same time which is a 3 step process anyways (washed, dry, & walnut tumble), this way it cleans & polishes the brass inside and out, even gets the primer pocket and flash hole perfectly clean, does it really mater, well it does to me.
so to me the xl650 is a cross between a 550b and a xl650. as for the refinements they added with indexing ive added a roller assembly and works a treat, my late model 650 has the upgraded frame like your 750 also has the grease points on the bolt ends like your 750. great vid , answered my questions . will stay with my bullet proof xl650. love it.
My best bet for anyone new to reloading, like most 650 owners, we've had it as long as 20+ years, loaded millions of bullets. Proven and tested. I just love my telephone dial.
Yes Gavin, the zerk fittings were added to the late production 650's. The upgrade is available from Dillon if you go to the 650 parts area. It sells as an upgrade kit as I recall for around $50.00.
I have had a 650 for years. I struggled with purchasing the 750 because of the new priming system. I finally pulled the trigger on the 750 about 2 months ago and I am super happy I did it. The new priming system is awesome! I have turned my 650 into a brass processing machine and the 750 is now my loader. I like to thoroughly process my brass separately. I know a lot of people don’t like to invest the time it takes to do that however, I do and the 650 makes it fast. I put a primer pocket swager in and can run over 1000 pieces of brass an hour in my 650. If you are struggling with purchasing a 750 just do it. You will not regret it.
You, and I are birds of a feather. Except I handprime while watching TV. I can run huge batches, and not have to worry, or cleanup priming failures. My buddy has a security cam video of his priming system going boom. A full tube cascaded. He still have tinnitus. Good thing he was wearing his Safety Glasses.
Yes basically it looks that they tried to come up with a new priming system for the 650 and scrapped it and went back to the same priming system that's always been on the 550 since the early 80s
Years ago I had a 650 but the primer system often got hung up if a primer didn't drop properly in the "telephone dial" ring. I traded it in for a 550 and love its primer system. I think Dillon got enough feedback so they finally changed to the better proven system.
Speaking to how rare primer detonation is, I have a few cases my brothers loaded (while we lived together) from a 550 when they forgot to switch the primer bar back to a small after I loaded my large primer calibers, we had loads that flipped the primer up sideways and crammed in but never had a detonation
Good explanation Gavin! I have been a Dillon fan from the beginning. I had a Dillon 300, 450, 1000, 1050 and currently I still have 3 550s. I don't like swapping calibers either! 😁
Just inherited one of these and found 20,000 primers and shell casings and bullets my dad had after he passed away 😞 so I must say I'm now emotionally attached to this dillion 1050. Thanks for the awesome video 😊
I live about an hour away from Dillon in Scottsdale. I visit the store a lot more than I should. I checked out the new XL750 when it first came out, it is a nice unit, buy not enough of a difference to justify selling one of my XL650s to purchase a new XL750.
Yes the chain reaction of a detonated primer is rare, well it happened to me and blew up 97 primers. the tube did its job and sent the force up and not out. it was the Dillion 650.
Finally someone takes the time to explain the difference between the 2. I have the 650 and like it. Happy to see the carried over a lot of the same parts.
I love my 650. Have loaded 10s of thousands of rounds on it. Have really only had to replace consumables and minor plastic pieces like on the pickup tubes etc. The press itself still looks pretty new. I clean and lube it regularly. I did buy some of the aftermarket upgrades that were available but haven’t installed them at all as the press has been performing as expected. I’m actually considering buying a 550 for pistol rounds so I don’t have to swap calibers anymore and just leave the 650 set up for rifle calibers. Maybe consider picking up the 750 and using it for rifle instead. Decisions decisions !
I really appreciate these videos. Very professional and informational. Thank you. I have been trying to decide whether to get a 550C, or a "loaded"(bullet feeder, etc.) used 650 in excellent condition for a very nice price. This helped.
I have 2 Dillon RL1000's and they are great. Just cannot get any parts for them anymore. I have never had any issues with either one, They are setup for 223 & 308. I have 3 RL650's and they are setup for pistol rounds. The only issue with these are the primer jams which makes you have to take it apart to get to the plate so you can get the prime out. Cannot see changing to the 750. I also have 4 RCBS 4x4's and these are rock solid and will last forever. The only issue with these are changing dies and this takes time.
I'm glad to see that someone else leaves the powder measure hopper full and gets the discoloration on the plastic too.... I'm too lazy to dump it every time.
I got a 650 and my dad got a 650. Neither worked. Their support was shipping me parts, have me buying tools, etc. I ended up moving to Arizona. I drove my press over to them to show them it didn't work. They kept it for 2 months, called me to come pick it up. They admitted it didn't work. That's it. Just have $2,000 into this setup that doesn't work. It can't prime small primers so no 223, the reason I bought the press. Further, the dump chute on the 650 prevents the lifter from coming down. That was my first issue. I told them they need to harden that part or change the stamping. They sent me a new one and my dad, but all 4 chutes had the same issue. I told them there's something wrong there. When I went to their store, they have a showroom with display units. So I checked the chute. Same problem. So I mentioned the chute problem and they said it isn't a problem, they've never heard of it being a problem. Everybody online said it wasn't a problem. Everybody said I was crazy. I said, "Then you've never actually used your 650." Anyway, when Dillon said they'd never had a complaint, I said oh weird, because your display unit doesn't work because of the chute. We walked 15 feet over to it. I ran the arm down so the platform raised. As it went up, the chute was scraping it, and flipped under it when the platform went past. I was unable to bring the arm back up due to the chute being in the way. The old lady tech was flabbergasted. Somehow nobody has ever tried to use a 650 to notice it. So I showed them that I added a slight bend to my chute in one dimension so it couldn't bend over under the platform. Like thousands of people swearing by stuff they've never used. I learned to reload on a dillon 550, and used one a lot. I figured the 650 wouldn't suck, but I now have both mine and my dad's and they've been collecting dust for a decade. What an embarassment.
Hi all, I spent 11 years in the Military Police but I am completely new to loading/reloading ammo. Any advice? I am looking at getting either the 650 or 750. Would like to see if I would be able to sell the ammunition I make as a side business. Any thoughts?
I have 2 650s and was thinking about selling and upgrading. After watching your video, I see zero reason to up grade. Both of mine are running at 100 % with zero issues after years of service and 10s of thousands on one press. The other 650 is much older and has loaded over 100,000 between myself and other owner. The only reason I have not gone to the 1050 is because of the warranty. Thanks for the comparison.
U make some valid points about the 2 presses 650 and 750 I have just delivered a new xl750 i have 2 xl650s I'm taking my time installing etc I previously owned 3 RL1050 press I like priming system 750
I just had a primer mag failure on my XL650 and it was my error but over 100 primers went off. Yes it does follow around the primer rotary disc and up the primer magazine. $25.00 in parts and back in operation. Lesson learned!
Ugh where do i start. I had a Lee single stage turret press, like it. Then had a loadmaster, priming issues even detonated primers, squib loads, broken plastic parts... garbage. Moved onto a 650xl and never looked back!
I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.
You are truly The Man, excellent walkthrough as always. With all your knowledge I was kind of hoping for a quality verdict, is it worth it to go for a 750? You know, enlighten us followers 😊
I really like the 650 priming system more than the "550" priming system. The 550 priming system slide gets dirty and needs more attention than the 650 priming system. When the slide gets dirty, the bar stops picking up primers and if you are not paying attention you have an unprimed case hitting the hopper. Bonus for the 550 system, is at times it will not feed a primer that is upside down but not always.
For years part of the reason to choose a 650 over a 550 was the priming system being better. Now it's considered the other way.... oh well. I have a 550B & am happy with it enough that switching to anything else doesn't make sense.
I love my 650 and it does have the zirc fittings, the only new feature that I’l like to have is the priming system, specifically how it will no prime unless there is a case in the position and will not feed another primer. Yeh no more primers on the floor, or what ever add on you’ve go to catch them. Makes it much easier to start a run instead of manually cycling the priming system 6 times on the 650 before you prime the first case. Also changing from Large to small primers is a dream compared to the 650.
I was just about to post this. Ha. I’ve loaded about 100,000 rounds on my 650. 9mm, 45, 223, 6.5 creedmoor, 308. It’s been great but dropping primers because I didn’t use it due to a small error is annoying. I ended up taping walls on the primer chute aka ski jump. Haha
that linear primer feed sounds like it'd solve my problems with debris and poor timing between the "phone dial thingy" and the primer seating pin. I get at least 2 or 3 mangled primers per sleeve.
I have the same 650 and purchased upgrade kits for it. One of my friend detonated one primer and chain effect the whole telephone disc, but after all he needs replace is the primer tube.
Will the Dillion 750 reload large calibers like .338 Lapua. I know absolutely nothing about reloaders, but after paying 4 dollars a round for cheap ammo at Cabelas, I figure I better learn how to reload. I bought a Ruger Precision rifle chambered in .338 Lapua magnum last year and it's like supporting a teenager. I'm checking into claiming little Ruger on my taxes for 2019👍 haha
I've had my 650 since '96 (still have the VHS instruction video), loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds on it... the only time I've ever had to reach into the spare parts bag was because of a spring that I lost, and Dillon still sent me a free one even though the loss was my fault. My opinion on the 750 is that they changed a couple things just to say they did something "innovative"... not a fan of the 550 style priming system, never had a single issue with rotary feed on the 650, never a single detonation.
Im getting into 6,5 creedmoor Long range match shooting would this be a good reloader ? im using Hornaday 147 gr match ELD ammo now and It shoots Tight
How high is the top of the 750 above the bench (to the top of the case feeder) with your inline fabrication mount? Specs say 38.5” for the press with the case feeder, plus 10” for the mount. So, 48.5”? I ordered my press and I am ordering the in-line fab mount, but I am building a bench and don’t have the press or the mount for measurements. I have a low ceiling in my basement so I need not build to high. Great channel btw, very helpful.
I just got a new xl750 after years of no press period. The 550 and 750 were set up at the store as a static display. In my mind, the bulk mass of the 750 was what made the sale. I saw it as several times heavier and more solid. I know the 550 has decades of experience and is a good machine, but it looks very lightweight compared to the 750.
The RL-550B/C isn't a "lightweight" machine. I've loaded over 150,000+ rounds on my 20+ year oldest one with very little wear and tear concerning parts breakage. What did wear out or broke was quickly replaced for free by Dillon under the lifetime warranty. I wore a primer slide bar bearing track completely out. I wore all the way through the black non stick finish into bare steel so it would hang up instead of sliding easily. I also wore out a powder measure operating rod and tension spring. I think I broke a tool head retaining pin once when I slipped with a wrench while tightening down a die lock ring. Other than that that press has cranked out some serious ammo in the over 20 years I have owned it.
John Doe 5 minutes ago I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.
I have had my 650 since 9-1995-1996 ish. It is a worthy investment. And if you ever quit reloading it seams like most sell for about 10% less then MSRP.
After watching this, I can affirm, Dillon is definitely a better designed press than a Hornady LNL. IDK what the issue with my LNL is but it can't seem to stay in sync. Its either the shell plate won't fully rotate or the primer mechanism doesn't work properly. Definitely going to be getting a Dillon
I know this is an older video, but I'm hoping you still see comments on this. I'm trying to plan out my next workbench with the goal to have a 750 attached to it in the future with the UltraMount system as you have it. How far is the handle (where you grab it) from the ground when it's at its lowest position. Also how high is your work bench top from the ground? Knowing those two numbers I can figure out the bench height I would like to have.
Is the bullet dropper ok for Lead head ? as in .44 mag ? thanks for any info if not I'll just have to hand load that bit , also what the best loading system for Primers as in loading the rods ? Large and small primers thanks
This would be an important improvement. There were tweaks and aftermarket parts required to prevent the 650 from powder spillage, and it also played a role in performance when automation speed is considered. It would be great to hear from early adopters with experience on both machines?!?
I have no experience with the 650, I have 400 9mm rounds through my 750 and there is no splash. I visited Dillon in November and the tech in the showroom said the powder splash was addressed and fixed with the relocation of the ball and the roller bearing addition.
And on the 650, the primers that don’t get seated into a case go down a little chute where you retrieve them, that’s if they don’t slide off and fall on the floor. It’s small and doesn’t hold but many. I put a piece of tape around the chute so they don’t end up on the floor. Also, you can remove the primer cam on the frame that’s held on with 1 Allen head bolt to stop the dial and primers feeding. Only takes a second and easy to do.
That's me I'm very new to reloading I never reloaded ever. I bought the 750 2 months ago. Needless to say it hasn't arrived yet. I wonder if I made a mistake. Maybe I should have started out reloading on a turret press like the area 419 zero press. What do you think?
@@boricuaarecibo9259 I haven't started or tired it either but I think theres so many people happy with Dillon products you cant go wrong. I have been told to start super basic, a single stage press. I believe that fundamentals is important then you can speed things up from there. If you can find a single stage press for cheap I'm told it's a great way to start.
looks to me like if someone was so inclined they could self upgrade a 650 to a 750 if you change the platform over. what is your thoughts on this? mind you the frame would still be the smaller of the two but everything else might be swappable...
My 650 has the grease fittings and to damn bad they figured out that the 550 priming system was best. After I bought a extra priming system for my 650 at 100$ and it’s way easier. But I still love both my Dillon’s. Wouldn’t never use anything different. Been loading for 25 yrs on my 550 and about 4 yrs on my 650.
Any chance you could tell me the dimensions of the footprint of the full set up, of the 650 xl? I'm trying to figure out where I want to put mine, but am having a hard time finding a good spot for it. I'm going to be working in a confined space, so I am asking around for anyone that is willing to help out and measure theirs. Thank you in advance if you answer!
I’m having an issue on my 650 priming system. The primer ram is not centered in the primer carrier hole... primer seating is poor. Can’t figure out an effective adjustment.
I just had the same issue as you. The timing is off. First I tried adjusting the indexer block and it helped slightly, but that wasn’t the source of the problem and didn’t fix it. I called Dillon and they just sent me an adjustment tool, ring indexer, some parts and directions. They think the ring indexer cracked, it’s plastic, and threw the timing off. Either way, it needs to be re-timed with the special tool.
You missed the second spring stop, improved camming, new spring loaded finger and quite a bit more. I'm not sure you really bothered to note the differences to be honest. I must say I missed the increased strength in the frame in my video comparison.
@@DimaProk Other way around... Dillon has been using that priming system for a very long time on other machines, and you may note that Hornady didn't expand their line of progressives beyond the 1960s era 366 press until after the Dillon patents started to expire. Some other manufacturers didn't wait, found themselves in court, and ended up paying royalties to Dillon. Mike Dillon not only made money off his own press sales, but also off the sales of some of his competitors. 8^)
Well they fixed the primer tools from blowing up. Yes this can happen on the 650. Force a primer that is misaligned and you can have a chance in igniting the whole primer tube. This has happened to me. Luckily the primer tube is reinforced and shot the inner primer tube into the ceiling.
My 650 has the grease fittings on the pivots, so it was definitely a change made prior to the 750
imbored742 same. Bought my 650 in May of 2018.
same mine is a 2017 xl650
Mine has them from 2016
bought my xl650 about mid 2016 i think and the actual frame looks nearly identical to the xl750 with the extra fill in strength support in the o frame as well as having the grease nipples on the pivot bolts.
I know I have lots of problems with the 650 and glad they went back to the tried and tru 550 primer system.
Lots of primer problems with the 650, primers somehow get on there sides, they hang up or stick, dial sticks on everything it seems, you have to get a primer even if you don’t need it which means your always having to put primers back into the system.
I have gotten to the point I will just hand prime my cases first then throw them into the hopper, it is that much faster, plus I clean my cases and check them at the same time which is a 3 step process anyways (washed, dry, & walnut tumble), this way it cleans & polishes the brass inside and out, even gets the primer pocket and flash hole perfectly clean, does it really mater, well it does to me.
so to me the xl650 is a cross between a 550b and a xl650. as for the refinements they added with indexing ive added a roller assembly and works a treat, my late model 650 has the upgraded frame like your 750 also has the grease points on the bolt ends like your 750. great vid , answered my questions . will stay with my bullet proof xl650. love it.
My best bet for anyone new to reloading, like most 650 owners, we've had it as long as 20+ years, loaded millions of bullets. Proven and tested. I just love my telephone dial.
Yes Gavin, the zerk fittings were added to the late production 650's. The upgrade is available from Dillon if you go to the 650 parts area. It sells as an upgrade kit as I recall for around $50.00.
I have had a 650 for years. I struggled with purchasing the 750 because of the new priming system. I finally pulled the trigger on the 750 about 2 months ago and I am super happy I did it. The new priming system is awesome! I have turned my 650 into a brass processing machine and the 750 is now my loader. I like to thoroughly process my brass separately. I know a lot of people don’t like to invest the time it takes to do that however, I do and the 650 makes it fast. I put a primer pocket swager in and can run over 1000 pieces of brass an hour in my 650. If you are struggling with purchasing a 750 just do it. You will not regret it.
You, and I are birds of a feather.
Except I handprime while watching TV.
I can run huge batches, and not have to
worry, or cleanup priming failures.
My buddy has a security cam video of his
priming system going boom.
A full tube cascaded.
He still have tinnitus.
Good thing he was wearing his
Safety Glasses.
Ams B4DaFunk What press and what primers was he using? Did he figure out why?
What swager are you running and how do you like it? Thanks
Brandon I found one on eBay and it works really well. I can’t remember the name of it. It replaces the primer rod. I can process easily 1000 an hour.
@@amsb4dafunk406 what type of press / priming system was it that detonated, and do you know what caused it?
That priming system is the same as the 550B
Something I’m very familiar with
It looks basically the same as that on my SDB which I have owned since 1995.
Yes basically it looks that they tried to come up with a new priming system for the 650 and scrapped it and went back to the same priming system that's always been on the 550 since the early 80s
Thanks for the comparison of the 650 and 750. The changes are relatively minor, but definite improvements.
Years ago I had a 650 but the primer system often got hung up if a primer didn't drop properly in the "telephone dial" ring. I traded it in for a 550 and love its primer system. I think Dillon got enough feedback so they finally changed to the better proven system.
Speaking to how rare primer detonation is, I have a few cases my brothers loaded (while we lived together) from a 550 when they forgot to switch the primer bar back to a small after I loaded my large primer calibers, we had loads that flipped the primer up sideways and crammed in but never had a detonation
Good explanation Gavin! I have been a Dillon fan from the beginning. I had a Dillon 300, 450, 1000, 1050 and currently I still have 3 550s. I don't like swapping calibers either! 😁
Thanks for another great video! For once you didn't cost me any money😁 I'm not really seeing any compelling reason to upgrade my 650.
Just inherited one of these and found 20,000 primers and shell casings and bullets my dad had after he passed away 😞 so I must say I'm now emotionally attached to this dillion 1050. Thanks for the awesome video 😊
The frame on my 650 is reinforced just like the 750 so you can see obvious upgrades to the later model 650 presses!
I live about an hour away from Dillon in Scottsdale. I visit the store a lot more than I should. I checked out the new XL750 when it first came out, it is a nice unit, buy not enough of a difference to justify selling one of my XL650s to purchase a new XL750.
Yes the chain reaction of a detonated primer is rare, well it happened to me and blew up 97 primers. the tube did its job and sent the force up and not out. it was the Dillion 650.
Finally someone takes the time to explain the difference between the 2. I have the 650 and like it. Happy to see the carried over a lot of the same parts.
I made a video about this weeks ago
Bought my xl650 in late 2016 and I have both the zerks and the zig-zag casting pattern of your 750.
I have two 650s, one set up as small primer and the other large primer, and they both have zerk fittings. My next Dillon press will be the RL1100.
I love my 650. Have loaded 10s of thousands of rounds on it. Have really only had to replace consumables and minor plastic pieces like on the pickup tubes etc. The press itself still looks pretty new. I clean and lube it regularly. I did buy some of the aftermarket upgrades that were available but haven’t installed them at all as the press has been performing as expected.
I’m actually considering buying a 550 for pistol rounds so I don’t have to swap calibers anymore and just leave the 650 set up for rifle calibers.
Maybe consider picking up the 750 and using it for rifle instead. Decisions decisions !
Primer solution is the same on my 550.
I really appreciate these videos. Very professional and informational. Thank you. I have been trying to decide whether to get a 550C, or a "loaded"(bullet feeder, etc.) used 650 in excellent condition for a very nice price. This helped.
I have 2 Dillon RL1000's and they are great. Just cannot get any parts for them anymore. I have never had any issues with either one, They are setup for 223 & 308. I have 3 RL650's and they are setup for pistol rounds. The only issue with these are the primer jams which makes you have to take it apart to get to the plate so you can get the prime out. Cannot see changing to the 750. I also have 4 RCBS 4x4's and these are rock solid and will last forever. The only issue with these are changing dies and this takes time.
I'm glad to see that someone else leaves the powder measure hopper full and gets the discoloration on the plastic too.... I'm too lazy to dump it every time.
I HAVE A GLASS HOPPER WITH 2LBS CAPACITY AND THAT DOES NOT STAIN
The zerk fittings are a late 650 upgrade. My 650 was like yours and I got a new set of pins with zerk fittings from Dillon several years ago.
I got a 650 and my dad got a 650. Neither worked. Their support was shipping me parts, have me buying tools, etc. I ended up moving to Arizona. I drove my press over to them to show them it didn't work. They kept it for 2 months, called me to come pick it up. They admitted it didn't work. That's it. Just have $2,000 into this setup that doesn't work. It can't prime small primers so no 223, the reason I bought the press.
Further, the dump chute on the 650 prevents the lifter from coming down. That was my first issue. I told them they need to harden that part or change the stamping. They sent me a new one and my dad, but all 4 chutes had the same issue. I told them there's something wrong there.
When I went to their store, they have a showroom with display units. So I checked the chute. Same problem. So I mentioned the chute problem and they said it isn't a problem, they've never heard of it being a problem. Everybody online said it wasn't a problem. Everybody said I was crazy. I said, "Then you've never actually used your 650." Anyway, when Dillon said they'd never had a complaint, I said oh weird, because your display unit doesn't work because of the chute. We walked 15 feet over to it. I ran the arm down so the platform raised. As it went up, the chute was scraping it, and flipped under it when the platform went past. I was unable to bring the arm back up due to the chute being in the way. The old lady tech was flabbergasted. Somehow nobody has ever tried to use a 650 to notice it. So I showed them that I added a slight bend to my chute in one dimension so it couldn't bend over under the platform.
Like thousands of people swearing by stuff they've never used.
I learned to reload on a dillon 550, and used one a lot. I figured the 650 wouldn't suck, but I now have both mine and my dad's and they've been collecting dust for a decade. What an embarassment.
Awesome vid!
Hi all,
I spent 11 years in the Military Police but I am completely new to loading/reloading ammo. Any advice? I am looking at getting either the 650 or 750. Would like to see if I would be able to sell the ammunition I make as a side business. Any thoughts?
I have 2 650s and was thinking about selling and upgrading. After watching your video, I see zero reason to up grade. Both of mine are running at 100 % with zero issues after years of service and 10s of thousands on one press. The other 650 is much older and has loaded over 100,000 between myself and other owner. The only reason I have not gone to the 1050 is because of the warranty. Thanks for the comparison.
Bought my 650XL in late 1992 setup a bench in my studio apartment still use it today works great.
U make some valid points about the 2 presses 650 and 750 I have just delivered a new xl750 i have 2 xl650s I'm taking my time installing etc I previously owned 3 RL1050 press I like priming system 750
I just had a primer mag failure on my XL650 and it was my error but over 100 primers went off. Yes it does follow around the primer rotary disc and up the primer magazine. $25.00 in parts and back in operation. Lesson learned!
Very good video especially the close ups and explanations I have 2 xl650s Thinking about buying 750 and Rl 1100 223 and 308
My 650 has the extra material in the frame, and the “newer” fitting you talked about. I got it the year before they changed to the 750 lol
Great video thanks for sharing. My XL 650 has the beefed up casting webs and grease fittings.
Primer system going back to the 550 priming system. I've definitely had less trouble with that type than the rotary style on my 650s,
Just bought the 750 because of your reviews
Good deal, you will LOVE IT!!!!
@@Ultimatereloader thank you for the content will be looking forward to future videos
Great video. Explained what I needed to know. Thanks!
So helpful. I'm getting tired of my Lee Loadmaster and how finicky it can be sometimes.
Ugh where do i start. I had a Lee single stage turret press, like it. Then had a loadmaster, priming issues even detonated primers, squib loads, broken plastic parts... garbage. Moved onto a 650xl and never looked back!
@@phillipg9345 One day I'll get rid of the loadmaster and get a Dillon.
Hi Gavin, My 650 purchased in 2016 came with Zerk fittings and my body casting looks the same as the 750
@gavintoobe, the later 550 & 650 presses added the zerk fitting, unfortunately, mine do not have it.
I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.
Thanks. My old 650 purchased in the early 90s does what I need it to do but was wondering what differences there were.
You are truly The Man, excellent walkthrough as always. With all your knowledge I was kind of hoping for a quality verdict, is it worth it to go for a 750? You know, enlighten us followers 😊
I really like the 650 priming system more than the "550" priming system. The 550 priming system slide gets dirty and needs more attention than the 650 priming system. When the slide gets dirty, the bar stops picking up primers and if you are not paying attention you have an unprimed case hitting the hopper. Bonus for the 550 system, is at times it will not feed a primer that is upside down but not always.
For years part of the reason to choose a 650 over a 550 was the priming system being better.
Now it's considered the other way....
oh well. I have a 550B & am happy with it enough that switching to anything else doesn't make sense.
I agree reference liking the 650 primer system.
I love my 650 and it does have the zirc fittings, the only new feature that I’l like to have is the priming system, specifically how it will no prime unless there is a case in the position and will not feed another primer. Yeh no more primers on the floor, or what ever add on you’ve go to catch them. Makes it much easier to start a run instead of manually cycling the priming system 6 times on the 650 before you prime the first case. Also changing from Large to small primers is a dream compared to the 650.
You can just index the lever on the disc 6 times, you don't need to pull the handle.
Hunt Shoot Offroad thats what I do but no priming when no case is there because of a hang up or miss feed or the case feeder would be nice
@@tedweldon8442 snowshooze on eBay sells a primer feed disconnect. I bought his car feed disconnect.
I was just about to post this. Ha. I’ve loaded about 100,000 rounds on my 650. 9mm, 45, 223, 6.5 creedmoor, 308. It’s been great but dropping primers because I didn’t use it due to a small error is annoying. I ended up taping walls on the primer chute aka ski jump. Haha
My XL 650 that is more than 4 years old, has both the webbing in the press frame as well as the grease zirks!
that linear primer feed sounds like it'd solve my problems with debris and poor timing between the "phone dial thingy" and the primer seating pin. I get at least 2 or 3 mangled primers per sleeve.
Does the 750 have case activated primer feed or will it still spit out primers needlessly as you run up the press or clear it
I purchased a XL650 in the spring of 2019 and the grease fitting upgrade was included on this machine.
I have the same 650 and purchased upgrade kits for it. One of my friend detonated one primer and chain effect the whole telephone disc, but after all he needs replace is the primer tube.
Good video regarding the comparisons. Thank you.
Thanks for the info I had a base 650 but I’m going to go ahead and get the 750 package
Will the Dillion 750 reload large calibers like .338 Lapua. I know absolutely nothing about reloaders, but after paying 4 dollars a round for cheap ammo at Cabelas, I figure I better learn how to reload. I bought a Ruger Precision rifle chambered in .338 Lapua magnum last year and it's like supporting a teenager. I'm checking into claiming little Ruger on my taxes for 2019👍 haha
338 LM should be reloaded on a single stage press. To make accurate match ammo, there are no short cuts.
I've had my 650 since '96 (still have the VHS instruction video), loaded hundreds of thousands of rounds on it... the only time I've ever had to reach into the spare parts bag was because of a spring that I lost, and Dillon still sent me a free one even though the loss was my fault. My opinion on the 750 is that they changed a couple things just to say they did something "innovative"... not a fan of the 550 style priming system, never had a single issue with rotary feed on the 650, never a single detonation.
a couple of my friends use a 650 and had the whole colunm of primers ignite.i have a 650 and broke jsut about every spring on it.
Great review. The new priming system on the 750 reminds me of my Ponsness Warren 900 priming.
My 2013 XL650 has grease fittings on the pivot points as well.
Best reloading channel 😃👍🏻
Im getting into 6,5 creedmoor Long range match shooting would this be a good reloader ? im using Hornaday 147 gr match ELD ammo now and It shoots Tight
How high is the top of the 750 above the bench (to the top of the case feeder) with your inline fabrication mount? Specs say 38.5” for the press with the case feeder, plus 10” for the mount. So, 48.5”? I ordered my press and I am ordering the in-line fab mount, but I am building a bench and don’t have the press or the mount for measurements. I have a low ceiling in my basement so I need not build to high. Great channel btw, very helpful.
Excellent information...keep it up!!!
so the went back to the 550 style primer feed. interesting. once you go blue...
I just got a new xl750 after years of no press period. The 550 and 750 were set up at the store as a static display. In my mind, the bulk mass of the 750 was what made the sale. I saw it as several times heavier and more solid. I know the 550 has decades of experience and is a good machine, but it looks very lightweight compared to the 750.
The RL-550B/C isn't a "lightweight" machine. I've loaded over 150,000+ rounds on my 20+ year oldest one with very little wear and tear concerning parts breakage. What did wear out or broke was quickly replaced for free by Dillon under the lifetime warranty. I wore a primer slide bar bearing track completely out. I wore all the way through the black non stick finish into bare steel so it would hang up instead of sliding easily. I also wore out a powder measure operating rod and tension spring. I think I broke a tool head retaining pin once when I slipped with a wrench while tightening down a die lock ring. Other than that that press has cranked out some serious ammo in the over 20 years I have owned it.
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I have a Dillon RL-550B, Dillon RL-550C, Dillon XL-750, RCBS Rock Chucker, Redding T7 Turret, Lee #90045, MEC 9000GN Grabber 12 gauge, MEC 600 Jr 12 gauge.......I wouldn't give up, trade or sell ANY of them because they all have a purpose in the overall grand scheme of things.
What is the difference in price between the two?
I bought my 650 about 7 years ago and it has Zirk fittings
any chance of upgrading them to be full automatic with the motor set up like the beast dillion super 1050
Having a problem with primer drop 750xl the tube does not drop any primers what do I do?
Call Dillon
Recently started reloading and someday I hopefully can purchase a Dillon XL750; it would save so much time reloading.
I have had my 650 since 9-1995-1996 ish. It is a worthy investment. And if you ever quit reloading it seams like most sell for about 10% less then MSRP.
Great discription
I love the videos and your articles. Thank you for what you do, I know it's a niche job, but someone has to do it. MUCH appreciated.
After watching this, I can affirm, Dillon is definitely a better designed press than a Hornady LNL. IDK what the issue with my LNL is but it can't seem to stay in sync. Its either the shell plate won't fully rotate or the primer mechanism doesn't work properly. Definitely going to be getting a Dillon
Watch Gary to set up the press on video from Dillon. Much easier to understand.
I have had problems xl750 priming system
I know this is an older video, but I'm hoping you still see comments on this. I'm trying to plan out my next workbench with the goal to have a 750 attached to it in the future with the UltraMount system as you have it. How far is the handle (where you grab it) from the ground when it's at its lowest position. Also how high is your work bench top from the ground? Knowing those two numbers I can figure out the bench height I would like to have.
hey gavin i own a older 650 and a newer 650. the newer 650 has the greese fittings as well as the stronger frame lime the 750.
Is the bullet dropper ok for Lead head ? as in .44 mag ? thanks for any info if not I'll just have to hand load that bit , also what the best loading system for Primers as in loading the rods ? Large and small primers thanks
Did you notice if the relocation of ball made any difference in powder splash on the shellplate?
This would be an important improvement. There were tweaks and aftermarket parts required to prevent the 650 from powder spillage, and it also played a role in performance when automation speed is considered. It would be great to hear from early adopters with experience on both machines?!?
I have no experience with the 650, I have 400 9mm rounds through my 750 and there is no splash. I visited Dillon in November and the tech in the showroom said the powder splash was addressed and fixed with the relocation of the ball and the roller bearing addition.
i have 2 650's the older one has no grease fittings but the newer one does.
I was hoping for a better explanation of prime on demand vs continuous and what happens to unseated primers as they move around the dial on the 650.
I cover that in my video. They just stay on the primer arm and go into the next available case and not on the floor.
And on the 650, the primers that don’t get seated into a case go down a little chute where you retrieve them, that’s if they don’t slide off and fall on the floor. It’s small and doesn’t hold but many. I put a piece of tape around the chute so they don’t end up on the floor. Also, you can remove the primer cam on the frame that’s held on with 1 Allen head bolt to stop the dial and primers feeding. Only takes a second and easy to do.
@@Jiminico there are after market primer chute catches and a primer feed disconnect, check Snowshooze on eBay.
Hunt Shoot Offroad yep thanks, I’ve ordered from him before, just not everything yet. There’s always something to upgrade lol
@@Jiminico yeah I can't help myself I have to upgrade everything lol
I recently purchased a xl750 i have 2 xl650s on bench I'd to convert xl750 back to xl650 priming dial
So, if you were starting out what would you prefer? XL650 or XL750?
That's me I'm very new to reloading I never reloaded ever.
I bought the 750 2 months ago.
Needless to say it hasn't arrived yet.
I wonder if I made a mistake.
Maybe I should have started out reloading on a turret press like the area 419 zero press.
What do you think?
@@boricuaarecibo9259 I haven't started or tired it either but I think theres so many people happy with Dillon products you cant go wrong.
I have been told to start super basic, a single stage press. I believe that fundamentals is important then you can speed things up from there.
If you can find a single stage press for cheap I'm told it's a great way to start.
So basically a 650XL improved and a Hornady AP improved priming system?
looks to me like if someone was so inclined they could self upgrade a 650 to a 750 if you change the platform over. what is your thoughts on this? mind you the frame would still be the smaller of the two but everything else might be swappable...
I would like to know this as well.
Difference in cost?
My 650 has the grease fittings and to damn bad they figured out that the 550 priming system was best. After I bought a extra priming system for my 650 at 100$ and it’s way easier. But I still love both my Dillon’s. Wouldn’t never use anything different. Been loading for 25 yrs on my 550 and about 4 yrs on my 650.
I ordered my Dillon 650 in late 2012 and it has zerk fittings on the left side like the new 750.
yep,same on mine, bought as second hand in 2017.
Rcbs piggybacks used a very similar priming system.
I like the priming system on the 750 a lot.
My 650 has the grease certs and kits about 10 years old.
The priming system is similar to a Hornady LnL AP
Same system as on the Dillon Square Deal, which has been around for close to 30 years.
@@netpackrat SAME AS THE ONE ON MY 450 WITH UPGRADE PRIMER SYSTEM OVER 40 YEARS OLD
Any chance you could tell me the dimensions of the footprint of the full set up, of the 650 xl? I'm trying to figure out where I want to put mine, but am having a hard time finding a good spot for it. I'm going to be working in a confined space, so I am asking around for anyone that is willing to help out and measure theirs. Thank you in advance if you answer!
I’m having an issue on my 650 priming system. The primer ram is not centered in the primer carrier hole... primer seating is poor. Can’t figure out an effective adjustment.
Call Dillon, they are great.
I just had the same issue as you. The timing is off. First I tried adjusting the indexer block and it helped slightly, but that wasn’t the source of the problem and didn’t fix it. I called Dillon and they just sent me an adjustment tool, ring indexer, some parts and directions. They think the ring indexer cracked, it’s plastic, and threw the timing off. Either way, it needs to be re-timed with the special tool.
The casting of my 650 is identical to the 750's frame as well.
Look more closely!
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@@Ultimatereloader I did. The frame looks identical. Doesn't look at all like your 650.
@@Ultimatereloader Like the one on the right.
You missed the second spring stop, improved camming, new spring loaded finger and quite a bit more. I'm not sure you really bothered to note the differences to be honest.
I must say I missed the increased strength in the frame in my video comparison.
And most importantly the taller work area that gives room for taller cartridges.
@@the1bulldurham yes I believe it can do 338 Lap now
Went back to the old Star priming system
Does the 750 still bounce powder out of cases like 45acp like the 650 does,?
There are some aftermarket parts you can add that will stop that. The detent ball is made of plastic and the spring is reduced power. Helps a lot.
So basically the xl-750 redesigned the priming system to a linear slider very similar to the hornady l&l ap.
What is the speed knob mounting system in your table?
Sorry I'm late to the party ☹ So the priming system is similar to that of the 550 which IMHO is the best on the market
More like they copied off Hornady :) same thing
@@DimaProk Other way around... Dillon has been using that priming system for a very long time on other machines, and you may note that Hornady didn't expand their line of progressives beyond the 1960s era 366 press until after the Dillon patents started to expire. Some other manufacturers didn't wait, found themselves in court, and ended up paying royalties to Dillon. Mike Dillon not only made money off his own press sales, but also off the sales of some of his competitors. 8^)
@@netpackrat Good to know, I was just poking fun without actual knowledge :)
And all your viewers under 40 years old is asking what the hell's the telephone dial LOL🤣😂
ok boomer
Need to lower that age threshold by a decade or so.
I'm 37 and have a rotary dial phone with the 15ft cord
chris mauck wrong generation zoomer.
I’m 28 and remember the telephone dial quite well
Looks like Dillon discontinued the XL650 as I can't find it on the site. The 750 priming system looks exactly like my RL550.
Well they fixed the primer tools from blowing up. Yes this can happen on the 650. Force a primer that is misaligned and you can have a chance in igniting the whole primer tube. This has happened to me. Luckily the primer tube is reinforced and shot the inner primer tube into the ceiling.
My xl650 has the Zerks on the pivots.