Yep, case in point. Three of my mates went for disc brakes, on the second ride i can hear a disc rub and also one of the brake levers is too soft than other or vice versa. Than you have to go to spend money, to add oil or remove and still when you stand up on the pedals on the hill you can hear the rub. Straight out of the shop.. With rim brake you just need a hex key and you are done.
Rubbing pads are much more common on rim brakes. I have two disc brake bikes and never ever experienced disc rubbing. Fact is discs are far superior in every way.
I use disk brakes - and suffered from 'disk-brake-rub' when changing wheels between the two brands I own. The issue does not arise with every wheel-brand-change - when there is a problem I think the issue is often caused by minor differences in spacing (ie position of the disk-rotor in relation to frame). The good news is that there IS a SOLUTION - thin shims that can be inserted to move the relative position of the disk-rotor to make them consistent across the wheels one uses. Works for me - one I used is found here - boydcycling.com/products/centerlock-disc-brake-rotor-shim-4-pack
@@froggy0162 learn how to set it up? Sorry but I don't waste my time on setting this up all the time. Especially all the tools you need for it. Had a hard tail Cannondale but sold it because they were so much hassle. Still regret that I bought that and wasted a lot of money on it. Also when it rains slightly your bike sounds like a 100 EUR bike when breaking. I won't spend a single EUR in disc brakes regardless off what marketing is going to tell me.
I am a light rider who lives in Australia, I don't need disc brakes. Lots of the people I ride with have a lot of money and they buy disc brake bikes. Whenever it gets to a climb and they stand up, the discs rub. My rim brakes don't do that.
I race alot of crits and I feel disc brakes gives me a huge advantage, I can brake much later than those on rimbrakes can comming into sharp turns, therby moving up in the field for 0 effort
@@HkFinn83 Buddy.. It's a crit, people crasch all the time. It's a dangerous sport. I brake at the very last moment in critical turns. If someone is behinde me is going full speed, it's really their fault...
Love these vids. You're blessed in January, I get blessed in April when I get to watch and talk to the Elite Marathon runners prepare for the London Marathon a few days out. From Kipchoge to Bekele to Kipsang the works....one thing they all have in common is CARBS CARBS AND MORE CARBS, they smash in Sugar....then blow the Carbophobs away come race day.
I live in the fjords and mountains with a lot of rain. Discs are great because they saves me of buying a new wheel set every 1,5 years because of rims wearing out. If I’d live in sunny Australia 🇦🇺 I wouldn’t see the point of disc brakes.
Industrie did not solve a customers bike problem with the disc brakes. Because there wasnt one. But there have solved a problem they had. They needed something new, becuase the rimbrake bikes are perfekt. Strong, light. Perfekt. So why should someone need to buy a new bike?! Because you NEED disc now! Pros have it!
@Zen Paul how fast you go depends on your power in your legs and in shitty conditions downhill and on curvy loops you need really good grip types . But in that few seconds when a really strong rider rides in the wet on purpose and he has to brake in the really last second before the apax of the turn, then you are right.
I guess the issue would be breaking on carbon rims/wet weather. Disks breaks give solid breaking no matter the rim material. That said your better of getting alloy rims and rim breaks probs.
I’ve been on a lot of club rides recently in bad conditions (wet roads, terrible tarmac and hills - welcome to Surrey Hills UK!). I ride rims but most others are on disc. To be honest at our non-pro level there’s no visible difference in performance...biggest difference is the God-awful grinding noises coming from the discs when we are covered in dirt and crap coming off the roads. Sounds like riding with a cement mixer in tow!
I have disc brakes on my gravel bike and they have worked pretty well so far. On my road bike Rim brakes for sure. A wheel change would be a nightmare in a road race.
I recently got back in to cycling and bought a bike that was tubeless and has disc brakes. I'm wondering what was wrong with tubes and rim brakes. I feel like they just added complexity where we didn't need any.
It was hot today in the UK so I borrowed my mates giant defy disc and got my mate to tow me up to 30 mph motorcycle push) and then we brakes to 10 and repeated the discs got very hot after 9 stops on the 11th stop the brakes where rubbing and if I done a 12th run they would have locked on as the fluid was boiling. I have now changed all his pads disc and fluids but I was surprised how quickly it all heated up. I don’t think the road calipers is large enough to allow expansion due to heat soak.
Jakob Lekše I did test the braking performance of rim brakes it wasn’t as good but the scrub of speed from 30 to 15 mph was comparable it was harder on the hands but the brakes didn’t bind on like a disc and I didn’t get as hot as I thought they would. Once the disc had cooled after the test it was rubbing in three spots due the disc warping. It was a simple test to see what happened to braking prior to long down hills in the alps. And to see what tools I might need to take. I’m going tubs alloy rims for my marmot day out.
Ray Smith yeah I did because I was seriously considering buying a disc bike for a Europe trip next year. It was inspired by gcn and to see how good disc are for heavy guys. I’ve lost my job due to covid and as my mate wanted new discs and calipers fitted we thought we’d give it a go. I’m not going to Europe now so it doesn’t matter but it filled in a long day and we where surprised how quickly and poor road disc where compared to motorcycle brakes. There’s just not enough fluid and disc material to keep them cool.
@@tobycolin6271 you shouldn't compare them to motorcycle brakes, motorcycles are more than 10x the mass compared to road bikes and tend to reach much higher speeds, so they need bigger brakes.
Jakob Lekšemu fireblade and me are only 3 times heavier than me and a giant road bike. The brakes on my fire blade work amazing stop something 310 kg and slow my bike from 140 mph every lap 20x a session. The brakes on my mates giant are shit when stopping 120kg (110 me and 10kg bike) they get hot start rubbing after a long decent when we tested them it was surprising how piss poor they’ve are. On a road bicycle you can’t run a larger disc and a larger volume master cylinder like I do on my downhill mtb the extra material surface area and master cylinder are important to the heat dissipation. In the desire for slim ergonomic levers road bikes are compromised.
Love the channel... would you create a video about the polite way to ride with pro teams? What to do, what not to do. What happens if you break the welcome and what have you seen happen when you gain respect from the team from being a conscientious fellow rider. Since you have a lot of experience and power to keep up, I would find this fascinating.
I have always said if it works like RIM brakes do then why change it. I have had many bikes over the years and never once thought " Wish these brakes were disk brakes" the public just all jump on the band wagon and follow their mates.
Chris Boardman said to me on Instagram after posting a photo of his very muddy disc brake shod bike "500 gram difference from rim, but would never go back to rim" fair do, but in dry weather no need for disc.
don't you think its also a matter of the weight of the frame? Its curious how the heavier italian frames such as pinarello, bianchi and colnago are wearing rims instead of disc.
For the last 40 years these GC pros ride custom frames that you can't buy. Same with shoes. Don't be so naive 😂😂 Even Lance rode custom frames at certain times.
Thanks for the insight! I also prefer to have something simple. Something you can more easily maintain by yourself. Why adding more complexity and weight to your bike? 🤔🤔🤔
I made mistake with cx bike with disc brakes and new noisy hard to instal pressfit technology, 1x11big jumps gearing, Ratling sram groupset and hard to instal and change not working tubeless wheelset and tires technology. Cassette and chainring worn out very fast in winter. Only had problems with everything. Then i bought cantilever Paul Milnes cx bike frameset about 300euros, light stiff very nice riding bike, with bsa bottom bracket. And light stiff billet proof 16 and 21 aero spokes Campagnolo Eurus wheelset,, with clincher tires and 2x11speed Ultegra 34-50 11-32 gearing, My future with bike service is very easy and cheap. Riding winter sometimes -15degrees and wet dirty gravel races, road tarmac training and everything. No problems ever. Never discs on road.
I get it that disks are heavier. But I thought it was easy to build a bike below UCI regulations. So I'd assume you could negate the weight of the disks yet still come in at UCI weight by using a few lighter components.
DR your trolling is hilarious. Have disc brakes on my CX bike, rode loads of races, 80k off road rides, removed wheels so many times to clean and never had to re-align calipers once...
yes, I prefer disc on my CX bike too. But as soon as you get a second pair of wheels (one for training, one for racing in the same brand ! ) you have to re-align your calipers each time, and a wheelset change takes 10 minutes instead of 1.
@@KMS2468 is correct. I ride a MTB, and in the winter I ride tires with and without studs, and also use a training wheel for indoor riding. I put the tires on separate wheelsets, to save money in the long run. I have to adjust the calibration every time I change a wheel, which is as often 12x a week.
Having a disc road bike and having had a disc brake mountain bike for years I have never experienced rub after setting them up correctly. Spend a bit of time setting them up to save time with more powerful brakes on the descent.
The Dogma F12 is a heavy aero bike. Disc brakes generally weigh more and they have resorted to buying £4000 German Lightweight branded wheels as Shimano wheels weigh too much to get near the UCI 6.8kg weight limit, so agree. Personally prefer disc brakes for feel and performance in the wet UK!
@@durianriders I think that with the new Dogma release that I was proved right to question the weight as being uncompetitive. I don’t know this because I’m a pro, or own a Pinerello but from what I’d read in reviews. Doesn’t make the F12 a bad bike, just that it cost a lot of money in light weight parts like wheels to get it below 7kg in a large size.
I think some manufacturers will lose out as they are now only offering disc brakes. The clever bike manufacturers give you an option. Just hope that group set manufacturers don’t phase out rim brakes.
I still shake my head at anyone who rushed out to spend $$$ to get discs for their road bike when they had perfectly good rim brakes. Latest isn't always the greatest.
For tournaments probably not, when you may have to be swapping wheels in record time; or where weight is counted in “milligrams”🙃. But for me, who is a daily commuter, disc brakes, especially, cable disc brakes, make a ton of sense. 1) if the wheel is slightly out of alignment (wobbly rims) 2) if the rim get nicked on a curb, stone, manhole cover, your brake won’t be affected 3) better stopping when wet 4) doesn’t get contaminated so easily by dirty/oily water from the ground/road/track 5) offers better stopping power 6) doesn’t ruin the rim
Rim brakes for me I do feel more confident descending on disc but shit to spending money on another bike the sport is too costly at the moment.So maybe in a few years I may well have no option but purchase a disc road bike until then it's rim for me.
When you live in the flatland ,rim brakes are fine. But when you ride high mountains with very long down hills disc make it easy to slow down,rim brakes suck on long mountain downhills.
careful with brake fade dragging discs down hills. Better go with 180+ rotors. Ive seen 140mm rotors fade or front pads get mad contaminated and riders lose the front break. VERY SCARY!
@durianrider watched all your vids, REAL content...love it. please comment on... A disc brake bike needs longer chain stays to fit the disc making the bike not as responsive etc etc. my 2001 look has 405mm chain stays and still feels super snappy. recent disc bike have chain stays upto 415mm...10mm is alot right? its a pretty wild and crazy change to the fundamentals of race bike geometry?
I am a heavy rider (115kg) and I love rim brakes. With my extra inertia, I'd actually be more worried about stopping too quickly and separating forward from the bike.
Adam Bogan I’m heavy too with disc breaks and this never happens with disc breakers on road bikes are not any stronger than optimal rim brakes. On a mountain bike disc bike the breaks are way more powerful and slamming the breaks hard at high speed will make you dive forward.
Also if you don't have a stack of disposable cash and are buying a mid range bike (ultegra level) and are going discs you're looking at 500g weight penalty. Get a 56cm trek emonda sl6 pro weighing 7.3kg for $US3,199 or you can get the disc version for 7.86kgs and pay $800 more for the privilege! The sl6 disc weighs 8.2kgs which is the same as my old 2010 105 equipped heavy "aero" framed bike that came stock with heavy slow 1900g alloy wheels and crappy tyres.
Does it weigh 7.86 or 8.2 kg? You are confusing Also i think for most of us amateurs braking performance gain is more important than every gram saved, since you will probably put on a saddle bag with a spare tube, a co2 bottle/pump and a multitool... Not to mention all the food, drink etc. for your ride. If you really want an ultralight bike you will remove all this and also have a 1x driveteain. Now a question for you: is this worth it to you?
@@jakoblekse3811 The "sl6" and "sl6 pro" disc versions are different models (8.2 and 7.86kgs respectively). The "pro" being one model higher. Yes it does get a bit confusing :) Yes I know what you mean. For me 500g is a decent amount and to me its worth it to get my bike down to around the sub 7.5kg mark. Diminishing returns after that though and silly money imo so I'm not really in the market for "ultralight". Never had an issue with braking on my alloy brake tracks. Carbons in the wet downhill is a different story, but I save them for the flatter races, and don't ride them in the rain if I can help it.
Sales reps at shops never tell new customers how noisy disc brakes are and how unnecessary they are for road cyclists, even in the rain or on the hills. Forums exaggerate disc brakes so much on hills, it's ridiculous. It's kinda sad how disc brakes are being pushed so hard, cause you start to realize lot of the forum posters are.... unsurprisingly bike shop owners and bikes shop employees.
Team sky been the most dominant team in TDF history. Who won the tour? Who won 3 out of 4 jerseys this year? Why the riders who crashed out of the stages or TDF using disc?
I am totally sold on disc brakes. I just ride for fun, mostly mtb but quite a bit of road too. They are just more fun and that’s got to count for something.
@@durianriders That is correct, if you touch your brakes you slow down. However every race or drop ride I've been in, rim brake typically get smoked in braking zones because they can't go as deep before applying them, certainly in the rain. I have used a Crux disc cross bike as a good part of what I ride throughout the year. Hands down in the wet it's a different level than my rim brake Pinarello or Felt TT. I live in the Pacific NW area on a local hill and have raced & trained for a while. There's no comparison unless you don't touch your brake levers. 🤙
Can you imagine what bikes and kits would look like if money was no object and marketing was banned from racing? It would be a beautiful thing. Or if like NASCAR, all bikes were identical in spec?
They brake better. End of. When you have to descend single lane 20% short descents regularly they help a lot. Pros and mamils who ride flat roads or are racing disc brakes are unnecessary
I really don’t understand why people keep debating whether to ride with disc brakes or not. It’s really simple people! Ride a road bike with disc brakes. If you like it, than fucking ride it. If you don’t like them, than don’t. Boom. Can we all shut up about this now? Lol
Do you have any new content beside your disc brake rants ? I think we all know that disc brakes are here to stay so accept it. I disagree that "all" and"every" mechanic dislike disc off the record. And if you can't take a wheel in and out of your e bike without adjusting your caliper that your problem. I shim my rotors to switch between brands of hubs on different wheel set so they are centered. Most high end hubs disc flange mounting surface are within close enough tolerances that any rotor rub is non existent. Please produce some new content your disc brake videos are boring and all the same
You lost me at the point you said you had an eBike. I unsubscribed. LOL just kidding mate. Anyway I could make the same arguement you made here about disc brakes on road bikes for 1x drivetrains and 29" wheels over on the mountain bike side. Total kool aid marketing bullshit that the industry has managed to get the consumers salivating over. Oh, and carbon MTB's too.....
Sorry dude No professional team has ever won the world championship as they are always run as National teams not pro teams , also renualt gitane would give sky / ineos a run for their money as in their verious forms ( just like sky) They won the TDF 7 times with 3 different leader s and two tours of Spain and 3 Giro ditalia and there budget proportional to modern terms was probably a 3rd of sky
yeah cos if you chase your trade team mate down in the worlds you WILL have a contract next year...NOT. Please link me to ONE instance where a trade team mate chases down his team mate in the interest of a national win...
I guess once some one on a disc brake wins TDF, there's nothing to say that disc is this and that. The technology is going to get better and better eventually. And disc is here to stay whether you like it or not. I still ride my rim brake, but my new next bike will be disc brake. Maybe that's another 3 years ahead...
Disc brake is not an option. You are getting a disc brake bike so get use to it. Find me a modern rim brake bike... I'm waiting. Don't mention the expensive Dogma F12.
I'd like to hear from the manufacturers on this topic, not pro riders or Internet bloggers. Disc brakes won't work? Tell that to every car/truck/motorcycle maker on the planet.
How many competitive cyclists are out there ? Maybe at best 10% of the population . For the rest of us , disc brakes are the way to go , plain and simple . I have a cable operated disk bike , a hydraulic disc bike and a rim brake bike. The hydraulic disk bike smokes the the other two. Also , in a rainy climate wear I live the disk brake out perform the rim brake bike.
Wow! I honestly thought rim brakes were only found on kiddy bikes now? Why on earth would any right minded individual actually choose to spec them? Archaic tech from the first half of the twentieth century.
But “we” are not pros and discs do deliver superior performance. How ever I think I could have lived happily ever after without disc brakes ever having reached road cycling... They do look cool though 😉😉
Disc brakes are objectively better in poor conditions. The entire podium at Worlds was on discs. You can brake later into corners and modulate more effectively. Not saying they’re perfect but you completely ignored their benefits.
in wet conditions you are limited by the grip of the tire on the road...if the Sky rider didnt bonk he would have won. He wasnt getting dropped on any corner or descent.
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Yep, case in point. Three of my mates went for disc brakes, on the second ride i can hear a disc rub and also one of the brake levers is too soft than other or vice versa. Than you have to go to spend money, to add oil or remove and still when you stand up on the pedals on the hill you can hear the rub. Straight out of the shop.. With rim brake you just need a hex key and you are done.
Rubbing pads are much more common on rim brakes. I have two disc brake bikes and never ever experienced disc rubbing. Fact is discs are far superior in every way.
I use disk brakes - and suffered from 'disk-brake-rub' when changing wheels between the two brands I own. The issue does not arise with every wheel-brand-change - when there is a problem I think the issue is often caused by minor differences in spacing (ie position of the disk-rotor in relation to frame). The good news is that there IS a SOLUTION - thin shims that can be inserted to move the relative position of the disk-rotor to make them consistent across the wheels one uses. Works for me - one I used is found here - boydcycling.com/products/centerlock-disc-brake-rotor-shim-4-pack
@@froggy0162 learn how to set it up? Sorry but I don't waste my time on setting this up all the time. Especially all the tools you need for it. Had a hard tail Cannondale but sold it because they were so much hassle. Still regret that I bought that and wasted a lot of money on it. Also when it rains slightly your bike sounds like a 100 EUR bike when breaking. I won't spend a single EUR in disc brakes regardless off what marketing is going to tell me.
@@DJ-qi4ry Discs are superior in every way at slowing you down.
with rim brake. you need to check your rim.if it still usable.
Last two bikes I’ve purchased (in the last 6 months) have been rim! Less irritating and they work! Long live the rim!! Enjoyed this one 👍
Why did you buy 2 bikes in 6 months? Was the first one cheap rubbish?
Rim just less faff for sure!
Heiße Wurst no, I just have a road bike buying problem.
@@CamNicholls I'm pretty sure there's a cream for that
Heiße Wurst 🤣
I am a light rider who lives in Australia, I don't need disc brakes. Lots of the people I ride with have a lot of money and they buy disc brake bikes. Whenever it gets to a climb and they stand up, the discs rub. My rim brakes don't do that.
I am still amazed by Durianrider making a career out of riding bis bike, hating disc brakes and liking carbs, cadence and staying hydrated!
You watched it and made a comment. You represent part of the reason...
sebi1747 Durianrider is pretty smart and opinionated as well, preaching his cycling gospel. I got no problem with that.
I race alot of crits and I feel disc brakes gives me a huge advantage, I can brake much later than those on rimbrakes can comming into sharp turns, therby moving up in the field for 0 effort
my carbon farsport rims or alloy rims brake as good as my hydro discs on my road bike but without the dead weight and watt sapping rotor rub.
That sounds so dangerous in criterium racing. What if there’s something behind you and you’re slamming the brakes?
@@HkFinn83 Buddy.. It's a crit, people crasch all the time. It's a dangerous sport. I brake at the very last moment in critical turns. If someone is behinde me is going full speed, it's really their fault...
rim brakes are strong enough if you have good brake shoes/pads, and when you squeeze from the drops they're even stronger still!
Love these vids. You're blessed in January, I get blessed in April when I get to watch and talk to the Elite Marathon runners prepare for the London Marathon a few days out. From Kipchoge to Bekele to Kipsang the works....one thing they all have in common is CARBS CARBS AND MORE CARBS, they smash in Sugar....then blow the Carbophobs away come race day.
Incredible how ignorant the average status quo follower is about how muscle glycogen determines mood and performance both mentally and physically.
I live in the fjords and mountains with a lot of rain. Discs are great because they saves me of buying a new wheel set every 1,5 years because of rims wearing out. If I’d live in sunny Australia 🇦🇺 I wouldn’t see the point of disc brakes.
Thats a good point..if I had carbon wheels it seems more logic to also have discbrakes..
Disc brakes just add more weight, extra fuss, extra air drag and more maintenance. Needed on a Mt bike, but pointless for road racers.
I'm sure your dreams are about giant evil disc brakes rolling and chasing you throught the streets of Adelaide. 😄
And they make a rubbing sound you can hear from miles away!
Industrie did not solve a customers bike problem with the disc brakes. Because there wasnt one. But there have solved a problem they had. They needed something new, becuase the rimbrake bikes are perfekt. Strong, light. Perfekt. So why should someone need to buy a new bike?! Because you NEED disc now! Pros have it!
@Zen Paul how fast you go depends on your power in your legs and in shitty conditions downhill and on curvy loops you need really good grip types . But in that few seconds when a really strong rider rides in the wet on purpose and he has to brake in the really last second before the apax of the turn, then you are right.
I guess the issue would be breaking on carbon rims/wet weather. Disks breaks give solid breaking no matter the rim material. That said your better of getting alloy rims and rim breaks probs.
I’ve been on a lot of club rides recently in bad conditions (wet roads, terrible tarmac and hills - welcome to Surrey Hills UK!). I ride rims but most others are on disc. To be honest at our non-pro level there’s no visible difference in performance...biggest difference is the God-awful grinding noises coming from the discs when we are covered in dirt and crap coming off the roads. Sounds like riding with a cement mixer in tow!
Thanks for the info on disc brakes vs rim brakes. Will use rim brakes for racing. Thanks again!
I will never ever change to disc brakes. The traction from your tires makes the big difference not the rim or disc brakes. Dont buy into the hype.
I have disc brakes on my gravel bike and they have worked pretty well so far. On my road bike Rim brakes for sure. A wheel change would be a nightmare in a road race.
I recently got back in to cycling and bought a bike that was tubeless and has disc brakes. I'm wondering what was wrong with tubes and rim brakes. I feel like they just added complexity where we didn't need any.
tubeless road Im not a fan but on the XC bike I am.
Things are nice when there are simple sometimes...
It was hot today in the UK so I borrowed my mates giant defy disc and got my mate to tow me up to 30 mph motorcycle push) and then we brakes to 10 and repeated the discs got very hot after 9 stops on the 11th stop the brakes where rubbing and if I done a 12th run they would have locked on as the fluid was boiling. I have now changed all his pads disc and fluids but I was surprised how quickly it all heated up. I don’t think the road calipers is large enough to allow expansion due to heat soak.
Try this with rim breaks and compare the results
Jakob Lekše I did test the braking performance of rim brakes it wasn’t as good but the scrub of speed from 30 to 15 mph was comparable it was harder on the hands but the brakes didn’t bind on like a disc and I didn’t get as hot as I thought they would. Once the disc had cooled after the test it was rubbing in three spots due the disc warping. It was a simple test to see what happened to braking prior to long down hills in the alps. And to see what tools I might need to take. I’m going tubs alloy rims for my marmot day out.
Ray Smith yeah I did because I was seriously considering buying a disc bike for a Europe trip next year. It was inspired by gcn and to see how good disc are for heavy guys. I’ve lost my job due to covid and as my mate wanted new discs and calipers fitted we thought we’d give it a go. I’m not going to Europe now so it doesn’t matter but it filled in a long day and we where surprised how quickly and poor road disc where compared to motorcycle brakes. There’s just not enough fluid and disc material to keep them cool.
@@tobycolin6271 you shouldn't compare them to motorcycle brakes, motorcycles are more than 10x the mass compared to road bikes and tend to reach much higher speeds, so they need bigger brakes.
Jakob Lekšemu fireblade and me are only 3 times heavier than me and a giant road bike. The brakes on my fire blade work amazing stop something 310 kg and slow my bike from 140 mph every lap 20x a session. The brakes on my mates giant are shit when stopping 120kg (110 me and 10kg bike) they get hot start rubbing after a long decent when we tested them it was surprising how piss poor they’ve are. On a road bicycle you can’t run a larger disc and a larger volume master cylinder like I do on my downhill mtb the extra material surface area and master cylinder are important to the heat dissipation. In the desire for slim ergonomic levers road bikes are compromised.
Love the channel... would you create a video about the polite way to ride with pro teams? What to do, what not to do. What happens if you break the welcome and what have you seen happen when you gain respect from the team from being a conscientious fellow rider.
Since you have a lot of experience and power to keep up, I would find this fascinating.
I have always said if it works like RIM brakes do then why change it. I have had many bikes over the years and never once thought " Wish these brakes were disk brakes" the public just all jump on the band wagon and follow their mates.
That's a coincidence! I've had many cars over the years, and never once thought 'wish this car had rim brakes!'
@@wangdangdoodie So you are not going to change to something else (like RIM brkes for your car) when what you have already works.... exactly my point
Got a rim caad12. What a difference. No more disc rubbing.
A lot of Merida Reactos there. I have one, with RIM brakes.
Chris Boardman said to me on Instagram after posting a photo of his very muddy disc brake shod bike "500 gram difference from rim, but would never go back to rim" fair do, but in dry weather no need for disc.
don't you think its also a matter of the weight of the frame? Its curious how the heavier italian frames such as pinarello, bianchi and colnago are wearing rims instead of disc.
For the last 40 years these GC pros ride custom frames that you can't buy. Same with shoes. Don't be so naive 😂😂 Even Lance rode custom frames at certain times.
Thanks for the insight! I also prefer to have something simple. Something you can more easily maintain by yourself. Why adding more complexity and weight to your bike? 🤔🤔🤔
I gotta say those Merida bikes are some of the best looking ones I've seen this season.
I made mistake with cx bike with disc brakes and new noisy hard to instal pressfit technology, 1x11big jumps gearing, Ratling sram groupset and hard to instal and change not working tubeless wheelset and tires technology. Cassette and chainring worn out very fast in winter. Only had problems with everything.
Then i bought cantilever Paul Milnes cx bike frameset about 300euros, light stiff very nice riding bike, with bsa bottom bracket. And light stiff billet proof 16 and 21 aero spokes Campagnolo Eurus wheelset,, with clincher tires and 2x11speed Ultegra 34-50 11-32 gearing, My future with bike service is very easy and cheap. Riding winter sometimes -15degrees and wet dirty gravel races, road tarmac training and everything. No problems ever. Never discs on road.
I get it that disks are heavier. But I thought it was easy to build a bike below UCI regulations. So I'd assume you could negate the weight of the disks yet still come in at UCI weight by using a few lighter components.
You just forgot to mention Wiggins. Ineos has had 4 tdf winners!
DR your trolling is hilarious. Have disc brakes on my CX bike, rode loads of races, 80k off road rides, removed wheels so many times to clean and never had to re-align calipers once...
yes, I prefer disc on my CX bike too. But as soon as you get a second pair of wheels (one for training, one for racing in the same brand ! ) you have to re-align your calipers each time, and a wheelset change takes 10 minutes instead of 1.
@@KMS2468 is correct. I ride a MTB, and in the winter I ride tires with and without studs, and also use a training wheel for indoor riding. I put the tires on separate wheelsets, to save money in the long run. I have to adjust the calibration every time I change a wheel, which is as often 12x a week.
If disc brakes make the wheel heavier then its increased the unsprung mass. Making it harder to accelerate than rim brakes wheels.
Not only rim brakes, it seems they also are on 23mm tyres. On 17c rim these will stretch to cca 24,5 mm, which is sweet spot for me as well.
Having a disc road bike and having had a disc brake mountain bike for years I have never experienced rub after setting them up correctly. Spend a bit of time setting them up to save time with more powerful brakes on the descent.
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The Dogma F12 is a heavy aero bike. Disc brakes generally weigh more and they have resorted to buying £4000 German Lightweight branded wheels as Shimano wheels weigh too much to get near the UCI 6.8kg weight limit, so agree. Personally prefer disc brakes for feel and performance in the wet UK!
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@@durianriders I think that with the new Dogma release that I was proved right to question the weight as being uncompetitive. I don’t know this because I’m a pro, or own a Pinerello but from what I’d read in reviews. Doesn’t make the F12 a bad bike, just that it cost a lot of money in light weight parts like wheels to get it below 7kg in a large size.
I think some manufacturers will lose out as they are now only offering disc brakes. The clever bike manufacturers give you an option. Just hope that group set manufacturers don’t phase out rim brakes.
I still shake my head at anyone who rushed out to spend $$$ to get discs for their road bike when they had perfectly good rim brakes. Latest isn't always the greatest.
For tournaments probably not, when you may have to be swapping wheels in record time; or where weight is counted in “milligrams”🙃.
But for me, who is a daily commuter, disc brakes, especially, cable disc brakes, make a ton of sense.
1) if the wheel is slightly out of alignment (wobbly rims)
2) if the rim get nicked on a curb, stone, manhole cover, your brake won’t be affected
3) better stopping when wet
4) doesn’t get contaminated so easily by dirty/oily water from the ground/road/track
5) offers better stopping power
6) doesn’t ruin the rim
Cable discs are best for wet commutes
durianrider yeah, and if of high quality, should be low maintenance too. The pads won’t wear out too quickly.
Rim brakes for me I do feel more confident descending on disc but shit to spending money on another bike the sport is too costly at the moment.So maybe in a few years I may well have no option but purchase a disc road bike until then it's rim for me.
When you live in the flatland ,rim brakes are fine. But when you ride high mountains with very long down hills disc make it easy to slow down,rim brakes suck on long mountain downhills.
careful with brake fade dragging discs down hills. Better go with 180+ rotors. Ive seen 140mm rotors fade or front pads get mad contaminated and riders lose the front break. VERY SCARY!
@@durianriders I have big disc, and four piston brake that are great for are long mountain passes.
Descending well = no braking !
Or very little
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A disc brake bike needs longer chain stays to fit the disc making the bike not as responsive etc etc.
my 2001 look has 405mm chain stays and still feels super snappy. recent disc bike have chain stays upto 415mm...10mm is alot right?
its a pretty wild and crazy change to the fundamentals of race bike geometry?
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I am a heavy rider (115kg) and I love rim brakes. With my extra inertia, I'd actually be more worried about stopping too quickly and separating forward from the bike.
Adam Bogan I’m heavy too with disc breaks and this never happens with disc breakers on road bikes are not any stronger than optimal rim brakes. On a mountain bike disc bike the breaks are way more powerful and slamming the breaks hard at high speed will make you dive forward.
Also if you don't have a stack of disposable cash and are buying a mid range bike (ultegra level) and are going discs you're looking at 500g weight penalty. Get a 56cm trek emonda sl6 pro weighing 7.3kg for $US3,199 or you can get the disc version for 7.86kgs and pay $800 more for the privilege! The sl6 disc weighs 8.2kgs which is the same as my old 2010 105 equipped heavy "aero" framed bike that came stock with heavy slow 1900g alloy wheels and crappy tyres.
Does it weigh 7.86 or 8.2 kg?
You are confusing
Also i think for most of us amateurs braking performance gain is more important than every gram saved, since you will probably put on a saddle bag with a spare tube, a co2 bottle/pump and a multitool...
Not to mention all the food, drink etc. for your ride.
If you really want an ultralight bike you will remove all this and also have a 1x driveteain. Now a question for you: is this worth it to you?
@@jakoblekse3811 The "sl6" and "sl6 pro" disc versions are different models (8.2 and 7.86kgs respectively). The "pro" being one model higher. Yes it does get a bit confusing :) Yes I know what you mean. For me 500g is a decent amount and to me its worth it to get my bike down to around the sub 7.5kg mark. Diminishing returns after that though and silly money imo so I'm not really in the market for "ultralight".
Never had an issue with braking on my alloy brake tracks. Carbons in the wet downhill is a different story, but I save them for the flatter races, and don't ride them in the rain if I can help it.
Disc brakes need to be only for mtb not road bikes in my opinion
My Ridley helium weighs 6.6 kg. with 60mm wheels
Sales reps at shops never tell new customers how noisy disc brakes are and how unnecessary they are for road cyclists, even in the rain or on the hills. Forums exaggerate disc brakes so much on hills, it's ridiculous. It's kinda sad how disc brakes are being pushed so hard, cause you start to realize lot of the forum posters are.... unsurprisingly bike shop owners and bikes shop employees.
Disc brakes are being pushed by the companies. We as clients should send the signal that we don't want that by resisting buying disc brake
Cameron Wurf was seen riding disc Pinarello in LA. Is Ineos considering trying discs?
Makes sense to train on a heavy bike then race light. Many pros do 'train heavy race low'.
Rim brakes keep the 'magic' alive..
2019 Trek Emonda, 2020 SRAM etap axis 46/33 33/10...bontrager caliper brakes...sub 15lbs...and yes...I'm slow
Fast forward to September and Eneos isn't looking so good.
As a recreational cyclist, I don't find any difference between disc or rim except the unnecessary extra cost to have a disc brake.
notably, most of the stages on the first week of this year's tdf are won by riders on rim brakes .. so, what do we need disk brakes for? (lol)
Going to see more teams pull away from disc brakes this next year, the hype is finally dying off.
I guess you didn’t watch the tour. Disc brakes dominated. I ride a Dogma F10 disc, ineos didn’t do real well on the rims other than one stage.
Team sky been the most dominant team in TDF history.
Who won the tour?
Who won 3 out of 4 jerseys this year?
Why the riders who crashed out of the stages or TDF using disc?
durianrider man, so you think Pogacar on an sl7 disc would not have still won?
It's not a DR video without a multiple OCD camera check
I am totally sold on disc brakes. I just ride for fun, mostly mtb but quite a bit of road too. They are just more fun and that’s got to count for something.
Why such a hard on for rim brakes?
Because they are faster. I'm about speed bruh. You touch your brakes and you lose.
@@durianriders That is correct, if you touch your brakes you slow down. However every race or drop ride I've been in, rim brake typically get smoked in braking zones because they can't go as deep before applying them, certainly in the rain. I have used a Crux disc cross bike as a good part of what I ride throughout the year. Hands down in the wet it's a different level than my rim brake Pinarello or Felt TT. I live in the Pacific NW area on a local hill and have raced & trained for a while. There's no comparison unless you don't touch your brake levers. 🤙
Discs will make those pinarello's even heavier....
The moral of todays story is that you should only use disk brakes if you paid too, a moron or physicaly disabled.
And stick to rim brakes if you're a head in the sand luddite!
Can you imagine what bikes and kits would look like if money was no object and marketing was banned from racing? It would be a beautiful thing. Or if like NASCAR, all bikes were identical in spec?
Seen you walking down Rundle mall with a disc break bike haha
i have about 7 disc brake bikes.
They brake better. End of. When you have to descend single lane 20% short descents regularly they help a lot. Pros and mamils who ride flat roads or are racing disc brakes are unnecessary
Disk brakes on a road bike just suck!
I really don’t understand why people keep debating whether to ride with disc brakes or not.
It’s really simple people! Ride a road bike with disc brakes. If you like it, than fucking ride it. If you don’t like them, than don’t. Boom. Can we all shut up about this now? Lol
Seems like the dics brakes didn’t hold quick-step back from taken tons of victories last year😉
What kind of bikes were the 3 winners of grand tours on last year? 😉
Who cares about Grand Bores?
1. You can’t feather brake on disc brakes
2. You can’t brake tap front to back as rim brakes
3. You need to buy a Disc Brake bike 😂
That’s funny That Harley as I honestly can’t remember you ever talking about this breaks Either 😂
road bikes with discs look like shit thats the main reason I will stay with rims.
You forgot Carapaz🧐INEOS has 4 GT-winners🤣
But in the rain its no fight
Who won the Giro this year? Was it wet AF?
Do you have any new content beside your disc brake rants ?
I think we all know that disc brakes are here to stay so accept it.
I disagree that "all" and"every" mechanic dislike disc off the record.
And if you can't take a wheel in and out of your e bike without adjusting your caliper that your problem.
I shim my rotors to switch between brands of hubs on different wheel set so they are centered.
Most high end hubs disc flange mounting surface are within close enough tolerances that any rotor rub is non existent.
Please produce some new content your disc brake videos are boring and all the same
I know a mechanic personally and he said “I don’t want to talk about disc brakes”. The mechanics think they are a pain in the ass I can assure you..
While blasting the disc brakes you inadvertently named all the advantages except the braking in wet weather.
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3 GBRTeam Ineos (GBR) 560
4 UAEUAE Team Emirates (UAE) 525
5 POLCCC Team (POL) 355
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The only race that really matters to pro cyclists is the tour de france. You win that then you are forever a cycling GOD.
Might as well just start putting a rim brake on back and then a disc on front
Sky,Ineos, all about marginal gains not losses.
You lost me at the point you said you had an eBike. I unsubscribed. LOL just kidding mate. Anyway I could make the same arguement you made here about disc brakes on road bikes for 1x drivetrains and 29" wheels over on the mountain bike side. Total kool aid marketing bullshit that the industry has managed to get the consumers salivating over.
Oh, and carbon MTB's too.....
A BIG reason I'm so fast at my age is motorpacing behind an ebike or doing street races once a week
@@durianriders "At your age..." Exactly how old are you? I guess I'm no spring chicken either, but I still hang with the roadies on my MTB! 👍👍👍
7:28 was that Jumbo Visma as well?
If team sky is about winning. Why do they wear dark colours that absorb the heat?
They used white jerseys but for some non performance reason went back to black.
I thought Team Sky had disbanded?
same staff. same key riders. same sponsors. different name on the kit.
Because they are rich and sponsored... Carbon brake rim wear out is no problem to them, just to get a new set. That’s the real problem.
What ist "Team Sky"?
Sorry dude No professional team has ever won the world championship as they are always run as National teams not pro teams , also renualt gitane would give sky / ineos a run for their money as in their verious forms ( just like sky) They won the TDF 7 times with 3 different leader s and two tours of Spain and 3 Giro ditalia and there budget proportional to modern terms was probably a 3rd of sky
yeah cos if you chase your trade team mate down in the worlds you WILL have a contract next year...NOT.
Please link me to ONE instance where a trade team mate chases down his team mate in the interest of a national win...
Don’t let the truth get in the way of a true story 🤭
YES ! i agree thx for posting
I guess once some one on a disc brake wins TDF, there's nothing to say that disc is this and that. The technology is going to get better and better eventually. And disc is here to stay whether you like it or not. I still ride my rim brake, but my new next bike will be disc brake. Maybe that's another 3 years ahead...
Disc brake is not an option. You are getting a disc brake bike so get use to it. Find me a modern rim brake bike... I'm waiting. Don't mention the expensive Dogma F12.
Pragma and Factor.
*Ineos
I'd like to hear from the manufacturers on this topic, not pro riders or Internet bloggers. Disc brakes won't work? Tell that to every car/truck/motorcycle maker on the planet.
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@@durianriders Don't like the truth, huh?
Well Lance Armstrong said he would be happy to use them
He paid to say that. His bike sponsor only makes discs...made in China
Team Sky?? Ineos Ride f12 discs all the time, just chose not to down under because they don’t need to.
Why are disc brakes so gross 🤢
Disk brakes are better for when you actually need to hit the brakes often. Which is not the case for toad bikes.
Blame bike manufacturers. The need to change to con the masses you need a new bike.
How many competitive cyclists are out there ? Maybe at best 10% of the population . For the rest of us , disc brakes are the way to go , plain and simple . I have a cable operated disk bike , a hydraulic disc bike and a rim brake bike. The hydraulic disk bike smokes the the other two. Also , in a rainy climate wear I live the disk brake out perform the rim brake bike.
well now Ineos is riding now with disc 🤧
Froom is in bhraine?
Wow! I honestly thought rim brakes were only found on kiddy bikes now? Why on earth would any right minded individual actually choose to spec them? Archaic tech from the first half of the twentieth century.
Team sky is now team ineos?
Yes....not sure why they are still being called Sky...?
Agreed disc is pricey poop
But “we” are not pros and discs do deliver superior performance. How ever I think I could have lived happily ever after without disc brakes ever having reached road cycling...
They do look cool though 😉😉
I love disc on dirt but for road rim is more than enough for me
Disc brakes are objectively better in poor conditions. The entire podium at Worlds was on discs. You can brake later into corners and modulate more effectively. Not saying they’re perfect but you completely ignored their benefits.
in wet conditions you are limited by the grip of the tire on the road...if the Sky rider didnt bonk he would have won. He wasnt getting dropped on any corner or descent.