Yeah I agree, if you heard him say the he saw the robber talking on the phone and being told to just leave quickly. That was the person or acquaintance that knew the victim.
The fact that they were willing to stay there that long knows they knew he would be out that long. He said one of the contractors knew his routine. We need to be looking for a man with tats whose been to the hospital recently and seems rich. :)
@@patrickfredella6805 Yep! When I moved into my new home and the underwriter was writing my homeowner's policy, he made it VERY clear that they do not cover bullion and diamonds. Period. I've yet to find any insurance company that will cover bullion.
@@patrickfredella6805 Well, he didn't read the small print and assumed that "all the contents in the house" were insured including the stack if I heard right.
@@attitudeadjusted9027 Lol, You think Bank Of American is going to crash, and lock yu out of your deposit box.. omg, Paranoia.If that happens, you will not need to pay your morgage anymore. Right? works both ways.
Yep, that's what I was thinking. Also if your having work done on the house, either lock the room so no one even knows what's there or have someone there to watch them while they work. We never leave the home unattended when people are doing work. We surely don't tell them what's in the house. So sad to see this happen.
It took a man of good character to show this to the stacking world. Alex, I wouldn't dare criticize you for anything here. You have been through enough, let alone people who don't know you criticizing you for what you should have done. It sounds like you know what went wrong and are addressing it. My heart sank watching this. You and your wife will recover emotionally in time, and I would bug the heck out of my insurance agent for some kind of recovery from them. Blessings sir.
He's not. The best he can hope for is a insurance pay out. But I'd not hold my brief on that. And now he has to deal with a badly damaged vault disposal. Which all his neighbors will see. Even with a new safe, his home isn't safe for storing now.
They have their DNA now. A client of mine had someone steal a big air handler with hundreds of pounds of copper in the huge condenser. They left a cigarette butt on the otherwise clean snow next to where they backed their truck with a boom to pick it up. The police took the cigarette butt and 6 months later they got the guy across the state that was arrested for some unrelated crime.
I doubt the police went to the trouble of doing the lab work for DNA for these kinds of crimes. They would have to have their DNA for another crime. I just don't give the police much credit for solving crimes like this.
@@FauxQue-yk8dt that's the problem I have with this video. It was a great opportunity with his audience to education them of what security safes are, not fire safes that hold guns.
This is a great example of why you shouldn't have all your eggs in one basket. Have multiple safes in various locations to diversify your stack. This way if a burglary were to occur it would ensure you wouldn't get totally wiped out.
@SeraphimLeo - No need for any safe. Just have multiple stashes - impossible to know what to look for, how much, or where to look. Safes are a waste of money
This is terrible. I was robbed years ago and the police found my SS card on the criminals coffee table when they were finally caught. The worst part about it is knowing someone was in your personal property, for me anyway.
I'm a locksmith/safetech. I bought a locked up jewelers safe made in France, it was beautiful two tone color. With many hours got it open, repaired and resold. It was over 6 ft tall and 4 ft wide, had a rating of TR-TL 30 X6, was rated for up to $3 million, sold for under 10K. You need to choose a safe according to the value it holds.
@@JFEnterprize The 5300 pound safe had 6 inch thick walls of composite which is fire resistant, drill resistant, torch resistant, I think it would be ok even after it falls through the floor👍
@@billinphoenix255 How do you get the safe into your house without about ten guys helping to bring it in, and then knowing exactly where they put it in your house?
@@Tchild2 It doesn't matter who knows about it. You can put this in the living room, it was a beautiful FICHET-Bauche. With all the right tools it would take many hours, it did for me. We put one just like it in a pawn shop, had to push it through the door way, sideways it was 35 3/4 ", doors here in US are 36, don't know about Europe. The one I sold went to Morgan Stanley broker working from home during covid, boss wanted papers locked up. He had a very big garage. Too bad it was hidden.
That's truly a nightmare..I feel really bad for this guy..All that hard work stacking..Stacking is a beautiful thing yet hard to do at times..Takes discipline and planning..I wish this was only a bad dream for this guy..
Thanks for sharing. It hurts to have to go through this. Our house was burgled in 2008 and I am still angry about it but am a damn hard target now. Don't beat yourself up about this. You learned from this and move on. For those of you out there that think it can't or won't happen to you. I hope it never does.
So very sorry this has happened to you, by watching this, I’m definitely gonna make some changes in my own house. Hope somehow you get it all back. Prayers for you, buddy.
After watching this video, I called my insurance company to find out I had $250 coverage, ACK! SILVER DRAGON, how about a video about how to find insurance for home stored bullion, etc?
Don't insure your stack. First of all, it's prohibitively expensive. Once you call and they tell you how much it actually costs, you won't want to do it anyway. Second, it creates a paper trail of your PMs, and it looks like we are about to enact a tax on unrealized capital gains...so you might end up paying taxes on that gold you bought a long time ago but haven't even sold yet.
My maternal grandparents were robbed in a similar manner and all they took were the NFA firearms and the coin and bullion collection in the safe in the basement of their home. This was in the late 1970s. Gramps had mentioned their upcoming trip to Hawaii to a guy he often bought coins from...lo and behold, the cops eventually determined that he was involved. Never did get anything back although the ATF contacted my grandmother in the late 1990s when one of Gramps' machine guns turned up in SC during a raid.
@@eror151/ Serious safe-type break-ins usually involve the use of cutting tools that attack any side of a safe EXCEPT ITS HEAVILY ARMORED DOOR! Accordingly, for extremely better security, purchase safes that include a "concrete" barrier behind its walls (yes, they aren't cheap . . . but, such a barrier requires A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONAL TIME - with special, heavy-duty equipment - to breach such extra protection).
Please have him share the raw footage of the burglary and any closeup shots of faces, tattoos, etc. It could go actually help. The media bizarrely loves to scare people out of keeping gold and silver, so they may actually try to help it go viral too. At the very least it will make it harder for those thieves to not be discovered elsewhere by the other eyes of the Internet.
So sorry for Alex and his family. It takes a ton of character to get through such a loss and even more to share it publicly ike this. What a stoic man.
super proud of that guy for doing the interview to help other stackers. Those guys who stole will ABSOLUTELY get caught and they won't be so tough in jail
Wait! This was in Portland? The city that was taken over for almost 6 months by rioters? , created by your Media. lol, We even heard about that in Canada. We are advised not to go to certain cities and thats one of them.
Wow thank you Alex and Silver Dragons for posting this video. I would've thought that large of a safe along with security cameras would've been enough. I really hope they catch the culprits
Catching them won't do anything. he wont get of his stuff back. its all sold already. zero way they are keeping hot items like this on them. They have to have buyers set up in advanced or know a fence that takes stuff at any times notice.
It's probably not a good idea to show uncensored videos of people buying gold and silver, this guy was on one of your videos a year ago buying silver & gold. The video got over 125k views so its not a far fetch someone recognized the buyer and targeted him. Sorry for his loss!
@@EroticOnion23 I mean if someone really cares about security and not getting robbed they wouldnt show their face buying expensive things to randos on the internet
they came prepared with a grinder, I'm sure it was someone who knew about the safe and their schedule. Cleaning person, mover or contractor who previously was inside of the house.
@@BoxStudioExecutiveKentucky gold hoarde comes to mind 😂🎉❤ imagine the guy who burried gave his wife a very detailed map but she still couldn’t find it. 😂 😮
Silver Dragons - this community should setup a gofundme or something for this poor guy! He was obviously trying to be safe and responsible, and just got screwed by the circumstances.
Never tell anyone that you have gold or silver, and never keep it in an obvious place like a safe! Don't keep it in a place that a worker could accidently find it.
Slap’s “Eleven Rules For Storing Gold & Silver At Home” 1) A safe advertises hidden valuables, but if you must use a safe, bolt it down and load it with VERY heavy weights. 2) Store some decoy/sacrificial coins/cheap jewelry in an easy-to-find location. Then hide the good stuff well. 3) Unless you use a safe, NEVER hide your stash in a bedroom or bedroom closet. 4) Same as #3, but insert “study” and “pantry”. 5) Forget hollowed-out books, fake soup cans, etc… your stack will be stolen in less than 5 minutes. 6) If using a desk, bookcase or shelf, make sure your hiding spot won’t be revealed if these are tipped over. Because they WILL be tipped over. 7) You WILL want frequent access to your stash (to add to it, look at it, or (god forbid) take from it)… don’t make access difficult (behind drywall, buried in the yard, need a sledgehammer to get to it, etc.). 8) Unless using a safe, the best spots are in plain sight and LIKELY TO BE OVERLOOKED, or they’re multi-layered (meaning you have to move this, shift that, lift this and open that in order to access your stash). 9) Make sure someone you trust (spouse, financial planner, estate attorney, etc) has a sealed “open in the event of my death” letter describing where your stash is hidden. 10) With the exception of #9 above, NEVER EVER talk about your stash or that it’s in your home. 11) Never hide valuables where a contractor doing work in your house or yard might come across them. KEEP IN MIND: The average duration of a home burglary in the US is just 11 minutes… thieves want a quick hit-and-run. Don’t make it easy for them!
If you're a stacker and go to local coin shops to buy your gold/silver, always check your surroundings. Thieves will often stake out coin shops, follow you home and then learn your routines. They can easily rob you blind in less than a week. Same applies when you go to the bank to make Deposits/Withdrawals. Look for random people just sitting in their cars in parking lots near banks.
Yeah this is good advice. In a busy, crowded city it is not so much people in cars in parking lots as there is little space for parking lots. Rather it is just checking the lobby and be aware of your surroundings. Also, go to a shop with security of some sort - cameras , buzzer and the more valuable coins should NOT be on display. Note the coins may be worth a few thousand but considered "common" (say common $20 gold Eagles). I also find that it is best to NOT look affluent. For those with money you may think a pair of khakis and a polo shirt is dress but it isn't. Your have to wear very common jeans and shirt you'd find at Walmart or Marshall's that are on sale. Finally, rarely go into detail about your collection. I will say to a very close friend that I collect coins and just have a few small silver coins and one or two gold. That is it. The one place I should be more careful is the coin shop --- it is easy among your coin collector and stacker friends to go on but I realize over time it really isn't that good of an idea. Of course you can share your knowledge and at most talk about a past ownership of a nice coin that you sold. But again I would be a little taciturn about one's holdings. As for insurance, home insurance may cover collectible up to a certain point but one must check. It is something O am trying to get to doing - taking out insurance on my collection.
There are safes that are both, they are fairly heavy but insulated too, if it's not at least 800 pounds or preferably more it's not likely to slow a thief down very much.
Exactly. I delivered them for 8 years. If the theifs come with cutting tools it's not hard to cut through a 14 Guage steel safe. Liberty does make a good safe for the money because their welding is superior to the cheaper Costco safes with horrible welding on the front edges. I've seen many liberty safes hold up to pry attacks during break in attempts. I myself will be buying a used TL30 rated safe for my stuff.
@@mike4769 American Sentry has a very well built BFX series that is TL-30 rated. They will also replace the safe free of charge in case of any attempted break-ins. It weighs over 1000 lbs and mine is bolted to the floor. All contents inside the safe should also be placed in bank-sized fireproof boxes which will not only provide additional protection in case of fire (protect metals from being melted due to high temps within the safe) but also make it more difficult to remove the contents if one manages to cut a small access area.
Thanks for sharing man, I really feel for you. Hopefully your misfortune will help others keep their stacks safe. I actually never ship to my home anymore. There are suspect USPS workers…
“Residential security container” says it right on that tin box that got broken into. It’s no safe, and the robbers took the hard way and went through the door.
Just fyi for everyone. I see the type of liberty safe all over because if their popularity people think they are good. A real good safe would be so heavy you could not even knock over or have a very hard time doing it
1st sorry for your loss of feeling secure. Now everyone please consider that the cost of your safe depends on the value inside it (Liberty Safes=document storage)(Graffunder=gold, silver & firearms), always bolt your safe down always, place the door hinges opposite a wall so crow bars can not be placed inside the gap where your door opens. If a crow bar is placed in the door gap a person will not be able to create leverage in order to open your door because a wall is in their way. Lastly whenever possible never ever live within 50 miles of Portland, Los Angeles, Seattle or Chicago.
"I don't trust banks" He lost years of savings and is contemplating his choice of keeping it at home. He realizes he made himself and his wife a target for thieves.
If he was told his insurance would cover those things and it didn't, the insurance adjuster's own insurance should kick in. They have their own policy for things like that, I would get an insurance lawyer asap.
It’s standard on all homeowners policies to have a limit on jewelry, firearms and money. It’s not like they hide it or anything, and in fact, there are insurance rider policies to cover things like extra expensive jewelry. Everyone should read their homeowners insurance policy to understand what is covered and what is not. He did have a six figure coverage, but there are always exclusions and the type of things that were the most valuable in his case were part of those exclusions for lower limits.
You have to get an additional insurance rider on top of your homeowner's policy to cover things like jewelry, guns, furs, precious metals, and collectibles. That's true in almost every case.
Everyones gotta eat, and its a dog eat dog world. Dont hate the players, hate the game 🤷🏿♂️ Dude voted and got what he wanted and deserved. Guys a beta and was about to cry on camera 😂. I hold politicians and voters more accountable than the criminals. Liberals vote to get theives lighter sentences, and Ill bet you $100 this dude voted biden.
buddy of mine had all his music gear stolen from his new house the week after he moved in. He was watched moving in by neighbors, who saw what was moved in, and then spent the week paying attention to his schedule.
This breaks my heart. I've been through this exact scenario TWICE and it's such a violating feeling beyond the financial loss. People always make fun of me with how many cameras, motion sensors, etc I have at my house now, but until you've gone through this yourself, you just don't get it. Yes, insurance is a complete joke and doesn't come close to replacing things unless you have an insanely high cost plan which essentially you could then just be using that monthly premium to stack more, so there's no real best answer here. Praying somehow they find these guys and you are able to recover a lot more than you got from insurance. Keep your head up, learn from this, and move forward. Don't let these idiots stop you from achieving your stacking goals and financial freedom!
I bought my safe from the Brown safe manufacturing Co. for around $3,700 back in 2009, today I think it's around $5,500. It wouldn't be as easy to get into as the safe you have. I keep it in a secure room in the basement of my house bolted to the concrete floor. Cameras everywhere with notification. I also have 2 large guard dogs. Sorry, this happened to you.
@@johnmcbride364 Large safe out in the open, stack it with books and cheap copper bars (they will think gold, silver and cash) place an airtag inside for precise tracking.
its almost always contractors. i had a company redo my basement a few years back. and they robbed me blind. fortunately not to this extent, but they did take a lot of electronics, cameras, cash, etc. never let these people out of site or in your home when you arent home.
I spent 15 years in the trade (uk). Only witnessed 1 scumbag in another company. Not disputing you, just like to point out that it's far far from the norm. The guys I knew were good honest hardworking men.
I lived in a safe N. Dallas neighborhood and had people in my house three mornings in one week - hanging out, drinking my beer and partying. They would leave before I got home at noon. The neighbors saw them and could identify all four people and the vehicle - and didn't do anything or even mention it to me until I confronted them.
I am so sorry happened to you. It's just awful to hear. Thank you for being brave to tell your story so others can learn. I trust in God to judge these evil thieves and restore your losses.
@@SilverDragons47 why wouldn't you just post them just as an added help, doesn't make sense to assume they're caught. Help the guy out. He helped you make money on this video
@@SilverDragons47 The sooner the better. It would have been better for both your viewers, the victim, and other potential people who might recognize the culprits if you had posted them on this video. Thanks for the help you did though.
Im so sorry this has happened. I pray we all learn from this. Thank you for sharing this. education and awareness is needed for all of us. again im so sorry you have gone through this.
All safes should be bolted down and tight to a corner on the side the door opens. These are two things that greatly increases the security of any safe. Also, when moving to a new home dont move a safe in during the daylight hours if your house is visible to neighbors.
or you know. cover up the safe and transport sideways. will look more like a cabinet or table or something. make the shape look weird under the blanket too. add some lumps and stuff. make it non safe looking
Thanks for sharing. Everyone else acting like they’re so smart offering advice is hilarious. Especially the ones saying not to post and not tell anyone. Do you realize you’re telling everyone you stack by posting in these comments????
I had my safe busted into a few years back ,I keep my valuables in a hidden floor space ,they spent hours getting into the safe to retrieve the bars of nordic gold i cast for this occasion 👍
Horrible. This is why my metals are stored in multiple locations. Safes are not safe. If they find one of my locations, I am not ruined as I still have 80 pct of my stack.
I share other viewer's appreciation that Alex would be willing to reveal his loss to the stacking community as a cautionary tale for their benefit. Many thanks to him and my prayers are with him and his family in hopes that they can recover some or most of the stolen items. I have ALWAYS been leery of workmen or contractors in the house. A few have seen my safes but it's been my policy recently - and from here on out - to keep ANYONE from knowing where I keep stuff.
I use an old safe from the late 1800s that is so heavy it nearly went through the porch when we brought it into the house. It’s also behind a false wall and you’d never know it was there anyways.
I just came across this video. I was reluctant to watch it because it brought back terrible memories of a similar experience I went through. I am so sorry for you, Alex. No one knows the depth of the pain and feelings of being violated, like I'm sure you're going through. I had all of my life long saving stolen, and I feel deeply for what you and your wife are experiencing right now. I hate to be cliché about it, but time is the only thing that will heal this wound that you and your wife share. I'm so very sorry for your loss.
Bolting a safe isn’t a guarantee, but it will make things more difficult to brute force open with less working room. Seems like most times that thieves put safes on their back to work on em.
That a gutting experience. You have my deepest sympathy. It looked like you had been targeted by professionals. Who had cased you from where you purchased.
I was thinking the same. Juggers who had been casing gun stores and PM sellers for potential victims when they noticed he made repeated trips to the same dealer. Then it was just a matter of learning his schedule after they followed him home or traced his plate.
OP, get a lawyer to sue insurance company. These companies are sneaky but they do get intimidated by lawyers quite nicely. 100k can easily pay for your attorney bill. Good luck !
I use to write homeowners policies… gold/silver is ALWAYS endorsed separately (if you have values above and beyond the policy limits) normally that endorsement only covers actual cash value (acv) however some insurance carriers offer an extended coverage with replacement cost. Yet, most carries will just deny a theft loss of that magnitude, unless you itemize each annd every item and pay the annual premium for said items. This becomes extremely expensive, and most folks decide to pass on the coverage. I’m sorry about your loss. I hope they find those scumbags
When I asked my insurance company about my coverage (because like him, I have $200k of “contents coverage” in my policy), I was told it doesn’t cover a silver stack or numismatics, because they would need to be independently assessed for value, annually reassessed, and insured separately.
First mistake- do not store valuables in a gun safe. They are not fire-rated for more than 30 minutes and as you can see they are not all that difficult to bust open with pry bars. Tons of RUclips videos demonstrating that. Invest in a proper large and heavy TL-30 or better rated safe bolted to the floor. They are expensive but work to protect up to two hours from fires and burglary attempts. A TL-30 rated safe takes a locksmith with the manuals, schematics and proper tools and years of training 30 minutes to get in. Two idiots with a battery operated grinder will only scratch it before deciding to just take the TV & iPad before fleeing the scene. Buy as large as you can so to hold those smaller cheaper fire boxes inside them for additional fire protection for the ultra precious pictures/jewelry/cash etc.
Actually TL30 means that UL testers fould not make a 4" hole or open the door within 30 minutes using tools they can carry by hand. If the safe has an electronic and it's not one of the $1000+ locks like a Kaba-Mas X-## series or S&G 2740B (which are not sold to non-governmental purchasors) it can generally be opened in about 15 minutes with a Taylor Instruments Phoenix. Sales are restricted to locksmiths and the unit costs about $3000 but it really can.
i was never a fan of safes. they are basically a huge welcome sign. when you see a safe, your first thought is, wow, there must be some expensive stuff in there! always better off keeping your valuables in a cardboard box in the attic or closet.
I know a TL-15 or TL-30 is not for everyone but if a person can afford a TL safe and their home can hold the weight of the safe, TL is the way to go if you’re concerned about maximum protection against having the safe cracked open
@@BoxStudioExecutive Do you think the thief was a safe expert with extensive knowledge of a specific TL safe and had the required tools available to break into said TL safe? Unless you can say yes to all of that, you don't understand how the TL rating is given.
@@jerrysimms4717 The location of the safe can be another problem. If the safe is to be placed on a second floor, that could be a real problem, especially if talking about bigger TL safes taller than 36". The weight of these safes is a good and bad problem to have.
Insurance companies require added coverage for specialty valuables (coin collections, camera equipment, firearms, antiques, etc). Those items are almost never covered under regular theft insurance policies. And those specialty policies cost A LOT. But of course, they don't tell you that. So sorry this guy was targeted. It sounds like the thieves are easily identifiable so hopefully the cops will have no problem catching them. I hope they are lame enough to try to sell the coins at Harry's coin shop. All of the antique stores and coin shops within a 100-mile radius should be alerted.
Also, if you purchase added insurance coverage for specialty items, the insurance companies dictate the minimum security requirements of your safe. They may not insure $100k in a RSC.
If you have that much value that needs to be in a safe invest in a better safe than a liberty. No safe will keep them out if they have the right tools and time but a higher end safe will make it take much longer meaning the chances of them getting caught goes up dramatically. It helps to cover it in a tarp or refrigerator box or pile junk items around it. Most importantly don't forget to bolt it down to the floor from the inside and preferably to a wall from the inside as well. If it's on a concrete slab use at least 1/2" anchor bolts, if it's on a wood floor push a grade 8 bolt through from the bottom in a basement or crawl space and use a grade 8 nut along with a lock nut on the inside of the safe. It's best to use a large washer or steel plate with a hole in it so the bolt doesn't simply go through the wood floor if they try to pry it away from the wall. It's much easier to pry open a safe door laying on the floor than upright which is the most common way thieves open safes.
Sorry to hear this, but that’s not a safe. It’s a tin box to any construction worker. If you are getting a safe it needs to have a minimum TL-30 rating anything less is a waste of money. Also the only reason to get a safe is for a decoy!
@@jameskeenan1351 Generally Burglary is the breaking and entry of a dwelling of an other (at night) with the intent to commit a felony inside. Robbery is theft with the use or threat of force.
Having a safe in the house is the most dangerous thing you could possibly do. when they hold a gun to your daughter's head and tell you to open your safe what are you going to do. You've got to hide it in the other places that nobody's going to look. I went so far as to purchase $200 worth of stage money which is 1 million worth of prop money complete with money bands. They will run with that and try to use it and get caught for counterfeiting also
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They KNEW it was there... You KNOW the thief
FACT
Yeah I agree, if you heard him say the he saw the robber talking on the phone and being told to just leave quickly. That was the person or acquaintance that knew the victim.
The fact that they were willing to stay there that long knows they knew he would be out that long. He said one of the contractors knew his routine. We need to be looking for a man with tats whose been to the hospital recently and seems rich. :)
💯 s.d.s
Yep!
That made my heart sink. Robbed twice. Once by the guys and once by the insurance...😢
You didn't get robbed by the insurance company. You were not insured.
@@patrickfredella6805 Yep! When I moved into my new home and the underwriter was writing my homeowner's policy, he made it VERY clear that they do not cover bullion and diamonds. Period. I've yet to find any insurance company that will cover bullion.
@@patrickfredella6805 Well, he didn't read the small print and assumed that "all the contents in the house" were insured including the stack if I heard right.
@@spark-taco The thing is he can’t prove, without a doubt, the gold and silver were there in the safe.
@@Duchy.of.Cornwall Indeed. There's no way to prove that.
Thank you for allowing yourself to be interviewed for this video Alex. I'm sure this will help others and do some good in the world.
Yeah, get a safety deposit box at the bank.
Yes. I'd use a bank myself for that amount of wealth as much as I'd like to be independent.
Safety deposit boxes can and will be confiscated when the banks crash. It's already happened 🙏🏻
@@attitudeadjusted9027 Lol, You think Bank Of American is going to crash, and lock yu out of your deposit box.. omg, Paranoia.If that happens, you will not need to pay your morgage anymore. Right? works both ways.
@@attitudeadjusted9027yep, seizable!
Thank you for agreeing to do this interview. I do hope you get everything back.
Never post precious metals on social media
I have told them. But they don't listen.
Yep, that's what I was thinking. Also if your having work done on the house, either lock the room so no one even knows what's there or have someone there to watch them while they work. We never leave the home unattended when people are doing work. We surely don't tell them what's in the house. So sad to see this happen.
or just hide them well inside a wall or something aint nobody needs that big a vault that was the main problem
No. Tell everyone, including that sketchy homeless bum who lives behind the 7-11, about your gold and silver.
@@ElegantlyYours he should have had everyone sign an NDA.
It took a man of good character to show this to the stacking world. Alex, I wouldn't dare criticize you for anything here. You have been through enough, let alone people who don't know you criticizing you for what you should have done. It sounds like you know what went wrong and are addressing it. My heart sank watching this. You and your wife will recover emotionally in time, and I would bug the heck out of my insurance agent for some kind of recovery from them. Blessings sir.
Most theft is from someone you met before.
And your neighbor
Yep, theft is usually done by in laws not outlaws
hi discounts his family BUT,........
No one else thinks it weird he has Nothing on the walls and hardly no furniture, but they had 100k in assists ....?
@@PhatRobsOils what’s so weird about that?
First rule of stacking: DON'T TELL NOBODY 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
Do you stack gold and silver?
Which means, "tell somebody" What are you talking about?
@@geigertec5921 no... I'm too poor 🥺🤲
And if you do store it in a vault. Lol
Same for growing weed.
Insurance companies are bigger thieves.
YES, $300 for his stack?? C'mon!
Home insurance companies generally don’t cover bullion, period.
Every insurance contract has limits, conditions and exclusions. Better to understand it completely than to assume you’re “fully covered.”
@@AngelEyes-xm7el it sounds like he didn’t know his policy well until he needed it. A lot of major learning lessons for this stacker.
They write the laws.
Man, I hate the world more today than I did yesterday. Really feel bad for this guy. Hope he gets his stuff back.
He's not. The best he can hope for is a insurance pay out. But I'd not hold my brief on that. And now he has to deal with a badly damaged vault disposal. Which all his neighbors will see. Even with a new safe, his home isn't safe for storing now.
They have their DNA now. A client of mine had someone steal a big air handler with hundreds of pounds of copper in the huge condenser. They left a cigarette butt on the otherwise clean snow next to where they backed their truck with a boom to pick it up. The police took the cigarette butt and 6 months later they got the guy across the state that was arrested for some unrelated crime.
hope they aren't crime tourists otherwise it's gone
I doubt the police went to the trouble of doing the lab work for DNA for these kinds of crimes. They would have to have their DNA for another crime. I just don't give the police much credit for solving crimes like this.
Yeah, he could submit that through a genealogy website himself. Find his close relatives. The police will not do it, over a theft.
@@babbalonian2 Great idea!!
@@babbalonian2 to my knowledge those sites dont take flakey dried blood unfortunately
A safe should never be visible.
I have a space where my bolted down gun safe is hidden behind a wall panel which is held in place by velcro.
Thanks for telling me!
A gun storage box should never be referred to as a Safe. Liberty should be sued for calling their product a Safe.
Or from Liberty safe who will just tell anybody on the phone pretending to be a three-letter agency the combination.
@@FauxQue-yk8dt that's the problem I have with this video. It was a great opportunity with his audience to education them of what security safes are, not fire safes that hold guns.
This is a great example of why you shouldn't have all your eggs in one basket. Have multiple safes in various locations to diversify your stack. This way if a burglary were to occur it would ensure you wouldn't get totally wiped out.
Or, simply have great hiding places. Multiple hiding places. It works.
@SeraphimLeo - No need for any safe. Just have multiple stashes - impossible to know what to look for, how much, or where to look. Safes are a waste of money
You wouldn't have this problem with Bitcoin.💯
If there was a glitch u would...@@TheTerminator-n3j
Having decoy safes as well works to and fill them up with chocolate gold coins for that extra kick in the pants
This is terrible. I was robbed years ago and the police found my SS card on the criminals coffee table when they were finally caught. The worst part about it is knowing someone was in your personal property, for me anyway.
Brutal. Let us know if they ever catch these guys.
It's clearly an insurance job 😉
@@thomasdriskill5254 No it wasn't. Did you even watch the video? The insurance company only offered a couple hundred dollars in coverage.
Did you see the winky face?@@miltonbates6425
I'm a locksmith/safetech. I bought a locked up jewelers safe made in France, it was beautiful two tone color. With many hours got it open, repaired and resold. It was over 6 ft tall and 4 ft wide, had a rating of TR-TL 30 X6, was rated for up to $3 million, sold for under 10K. You need to choose a safe according to the value it holds.
What good is 3 mil in a 2000 degree fire rating on a third floor 😂🎉
@@JFEnterprize The 5300 pound safe had 6 inch thick walls of composite which is fire resistant, drill resistant, torch resistant, I think it would be ok even after it falls through the floor👍
@@billinphoenix255 How do you get the safe into your house without about ten guys helping to bring it in, and then knowing exactly where they put it in your house?
@@Tchild2 It doesn't matter who knows about it. You can put this in the living room, it was a beautiful FICHET-Bauche. With all the right tools it would take many hours, it did for me. We put one just like it in a pawn shop, had to push it through the door way, sideways it was 35 3/4 ", doors here in US are 36, don't know about Europe. The one I sold went to Morgan Stanley broker working from home during covid, boss wanted papers locked up. He had a very big garage. Too bad it was hidden.
@@billinphoenix255 Good point. It is basically a mini fort knox...impenetrable.
That's truly a nightmare..I feel really bad for this guy..All that hard work stacking..Stacking is a beautiful thing yet hard to do at times..Takes discipline and planning..I wish this was only a bad dream for this guy..
I wish the f'ing insurance company would do the right thing. Another invention of the deniers.
Thanks for sharing. It hurts to have to go through this. Our house was burgled in 2008 and I am still angry about it but am a damn hard target now. Don't beat yourself up about this. You learned from this and move on. For those of you out there that think it can't or won't happen to you. I hope it never does.
So very sorry this has happened to you, by watching this, I’m definitely gonna make some changes in my own house. Hope somehow you get it all back. Prayers for you, buddy.
Great eye opening video and please keep us updated. I pray that they catch these guys
After watching this video, I called my insurance company to find out I had $250 coverage, ACK! SILVER DRAGON, how about a video about how to find insurance for home stored bullion, etc?
i tried to insure it. Had to take it to a dealer to evaluate first.. drain pipe. seal it, and under the floor
If the insurance company knows you have $100k+ in real money they will send someone to steal it.
Insuring your pm is like procasting to the world that you are storing those shiny objects at home
@@silentbliss7666 My shiny objects are canned goods.
Don't insure your stack. First of all, it's prohibitively expensive. Once you call and they tell you how much it actually costs, you won't want to do it anyway. Second, it creates a paper trail of your PMs, and it looks like we are about to enact a tax on unrealized capital gains...so you might end up paying taxes on that gold you bought a long time ago but haven't even sold yet.
My maternal grandparents were robbed in a similar manner and all they took were the NFA firearms and the coin and bullion collection in the safe in the basement of their home. This was in the late 1970s. Gramps had mentioned their upcoming trip to Hawaii to a guy he often bought coins from...lo and behold, the cops eventually determined that he was involved. Never did get anything back although the ATF contacted my grandmother in the late 1990s when one of Gramps' machine guns turned up in SC during a raid.
My buddy's gun safe got broke in to year's ago. Once they got the safe on it's back ...gameover. thanks for sharing
ALWAYS bolt down your safe.
Why is it easier with the safe down?
@@eror151/ Serious safe-type break-ins usually involve the use of cutting tools that attack any side of a safe EXCEPT ITS HEAVILY ARMORED DOOR! Accordingly, for extremely better security, purchase safes that include a "concrete" barrier behind its walls (yes, they aren't cheap . . . but, such a barrier requires A WHOLE LOT OF ADDITIONAL TIME - with special, heavy-duty equipment - to breach such extra protection).
First mistake is calling a gun storage cabinet a "Safe"
If it doesn't have a TL/TR rating it's not a safe.
@@eror151 Softest less protected piece of metal.
Please have him share the raw footage of the burglary and any closeup shots of faces, tattoos, etc. It could go actually help. The media bizarrely loves to scare people out of keeping gold and silver, so they may actually try to help it go viral too. At the very least it will make it harder for those thieves to not be discovered elsewhere by the other eyes of the Internet.
Yes, show the videos and any still shots. Hope Portland “Law and order” are on your side for this.
So sorry for Alex and his family. It takes a ton of character to get through such a loss and even more to share it publicly ike this. What a stoic man.
super proud of that guy for doing the interview to help other stackers. Those guys who stole will ABSOLUTELY get caught and they won't be so tough in jail
what would you do next time : “Don’t live in Portland”
Wait! This was in Portland? The city that was taken over for almost 6 months by rioters? , created by your Media. lol, We even heard about that in Canada. We are advised not to go to certain cities and thats one of them.
Get insurance
@@SteveHylton1969 sounds like He lives in Beverton.
@@christianjimbomb8204 Close enough
Thieves and robbers are everywhere
Wow thank you Alex and Silver Dragons for posting this video. I would've thought that large of a safe along with security cameras would've been enough. I really hope they catch the culprits
Catching them won't do anything. he wont get of his stuff back. its all sold already. zero way they are keeping hot items like this on them. They have to have buyers set up in advanced or know a fence that takes stuff at any times notice.
Man this must be tough to swallow. Alex my heart goes out to you, but I gotta say your attitude is awesome.They'll get those guys.
It's probably not a good idea to show uncensored videos of people buying gold and silver, this guy was on one of your videos a year ago buying silver & gold. The video got over 125k views so its not a far fetch someone recognized the buyer and targeted him. Sorry for his loss!
More likely, it was someone he knew or did business with.
That's a stretch lol...just happen to recognize/remember a stranger from an old azz video?...😆
@@EroticOnion23 I mean if someone really cares about security and not getting robbed they wouldnt show their face buying expensive things to randos on the internet
they came prepared with a grinder, I'm sure it was someone who knew about the safe and their schedule. Cleaning person, mover or contractor who previously was inside of the house.
I suspect my own daughter took my wife's stack of jewellery a few month's ago.That is terrible but can't do anything.
There's a reason why the old-timers buried there gold and silver!
Not just the old timers I've been known to do a little bit of midnight gardening myself.
metal detectors are a great invention ;-)
Yea, thanks to them we’re still digging up their stuff hundreds of years later 😂😂😂
@@BoxStudioExecutiveKentucky gold hoarde comes to mind 😂🎉❤ imagine the guy who burried gave his wife a very detailed map but she still couldn’t find it. 😂 😮
@@TheDarkLandsMusicwe can come up with something to counter every security measure. But again, there's a reason old times buried their gold.
Silver Dragons - this community should setup a gofundme or something for this poor guy! He was obviously trying to be safe and responsible, and just got screwed by the circumstances.
Tell the guy to set up a PO Box and everyone can mail him an ounce. Anything over 3000 oz can go to a worthy charity. He seems so nice.
@@knoxchum hey, I'm down to send an ounce or silver eagle. This guy is going through what we all fear.
I had the same thought. We could go ahead and send something to Dragons on behalf of Alex.
Screw that, if he could afford to have 100k sitting around, he can donate to me 😂😂
Never tell anyone that you have gold or silver, and never keep it in an obvious place like a safe! Don't keep it in a place that a worker could accidently find it.
When the safe is heavy as an elephant. . . You can't just move Willie nilly to avoid a worker seeing it but there is covering it somehow
@@SCORPIO0601 Big safes shout attention. People, especially if on drugs, will kill for this stuff.
Slap’s “Eleven Rules For Storing Gold & Silver At Home”
1) A safe advertises hidden valuables, but if you must use a safe, bolt it down and load it with VERY heavy weights.
2) Store some decoy/sacrificial coins/cheap jewelry in an easy-to-find location. Then hide the good stuff well.
3) Unless you use a safe, NEVER hide your stash in a bedroom or bedroom closet.
4) Same as #3, but insert “study” and “pantry”.
5) Forget hollowed-out books, fake soup cans, etc… your stack will be stolen in less than 5 minutes.
6) If using a desk, bookcase or shelf, make sure your hiding spot won’t be revealed if these are tipped over. Because they WILL be tipped over.
7) You WILL want frequent access to your stash (to add to it, look at it, or (god forbid) take from it)… don’t make access difficult (behind drywall, buried in the yard, need a sledgehammer to get to it, etc.).
8) Unless using a safe, the best spots are in plain sight and LIKELY TO BE OVERLOOKED, or they’re multi-layered (meaning you have to move this, shift that, lift this and open that in order to access your stash).
9) Make sure someone you trust (spouse, financial planner, estate attorney, etc) has a sealed “open in the event of my death” letter describing where your stash is hidden.
10) With the exception of #9 above, NEVER EVER talk about your stash or that it’s in your home.
11) Never hide valuables where a contractor doing work in your house or yard might come across them.
KEEP IN MIND: The average duration of a home burglary in the US is just 11 minutes… thieves want a quick hit-and-run. Don’t make it easy for them!
@@Marcus1954sthat’s why you install them in the floor……
This is a really informative video. Thank you for agreeing to do this. I hope you get everything back.
The same guys who worked on house should be investigated?
You would have to hire a private investigator or do it yourself. The police will do nothing,
Maybe next time someone works on a house u get all copies of driver licenses?
They have to sell it
@@Demy1970lol no I’m not giving strangers my ID. I would move right on to the next client.
@@SquareLimitif a contractor wouldn’t do a simple request like photo copy of their employees then they probably have something to hide in my opinion
Always make sure your safe is a "Burglar" rated. Much more difficult to break into a burglar rated safe.
If you're a stacker and go to local coin shops to buy your gold/silver, always check your surroundings. Thieves will often stake out coin shops, follow you home and then learn your routines. They can easily rob you blind in less than a week. Same applies when you go to the bank to make Deposits/Withdrawals. Look for random people just sitting in their cars in parking lots near banks.
This is what I was worried about if I ever did that. Getting followed home.
Yeah this is good advice. In a busy, crowded city it is not so much people in cars in parking lots as there is little space for parking lots. Rather it is just checking the lobby and be aware of your surroundings. Also, go to a shop with security of some sort - cameras , buzzer and the more valuable coins should NOT be on display. Note the coins may be worth a few thousand but considered "common" (say common $20 gold Eagles).
I also find that it is best to NOT look affluent. For those with money you may think a pair of khakis and a polo shirt is dress but it isn't. Your have to wear very common jeans and shirt you'd find at Walmart or Marshall's that are on sale.
Finally, rarely go into detail about your collection. I will say to a very close friend that I collect coins and just have a few small silver coins and one or two gold. That is it. The one place I should be more careful is the coin shop --- it is easy among your coin collector and stacker friends to go on but I realize over time it really isn't that good of an idea. Of course you can share your knowledge and at most talk about a past ownership of a nice coin that you sold. But again I would be a little taciturn about one's holdings.
As for insurance, home insurance may cover collectible up to a certain point but one must check. It is something O am trying to get to doing - taking out insurance on my collection.
Most people don’t know that fire safes are not for preventing loss. Real safes for money and valuables are extraordinarily heavy.
There are safes that are both, they are fairly heavy but insulated too, if it's not at least 800 pounds or preferably more it's not likely to slow a thief down very much.
Exactly. I delivered them for 8 years. If the theifs come with cutting tools it's not hard to cut through a 14 Guage steel safe. Liberty does make a good safe for the money because their welding is superior to the cheaper Costco safes with horrible welding on the front edges. I've seen many liberty safes hold up to pry attacks during break in attempts. I myself will be buying a used TL30 rated safe for my stuff.
@@mike4769 American Sentry has a very well built BFX series that is TL-30 rated. They will also replace the safe free of charge in case of any attempted break-ins. It weighs over 1000 lbs and mine is bolted to the floor. All contents inside the safe should also be placed in bank-sized fireproof boxes which will not only provide additional protection in case of fire (protect metals from being melted due to high temps within the safe) but also make it more difficult to remove the contents if one manages to cut a small access area.
Thanks for sharing man, I really feel for you. Hopefully your misfortune will help others keep their stacks safe.
I actually never ship to my home anymore. There are suspect USPS workers…
“Residential security container” says it right on that tin box that got broken into. It’s no safe, and the robbers took the hard way and went through the door.
That's why you need another smaller safe in your safe that is mounted. Also hide a couple air tag in your coin tubes.
You should also have a smaller safe within your smaller safe.
lolol@@Richard0292
good idea about the air tags dang!!
Russian Nesting Safes.
@@Richard0292 And inside the smallest safe is the combination to the big safe.
NOT a great advertisement for Liberty Safe.
Just fyi for everyone. I see the type of liberty safe all over because if their popularity people think they are good. A real good safe would be so heavy you could not even knock over or have a very hard time doing it
1st sorry for your loss of feeling secure.
Now everyone please consider that the cost of your safe depends on the value inside it (Liberty Safes=document storage)(Graffunder=gold, silver & firearms), always bolt your safe down always, place the door hinges opposite a wall so crow bars can not be placed inside the gap where your door opens. If a crow bar is placed in the door gap a person will not be able to create leverage in order to open your door because a wall is in their way. Lastly whenever possible never ever live within 50 miles of Portland, Los Angeles, Seattle or Chicago.
"Lastly whenever possible never ever live within 50 miles of Portland, Los Angeles, Seattle or Chicago".
LOL.
One nice thing about Graffunder is that the door gap is almost non-existent. It's the width of a business card or less. No place to put a pry bar.
Biggest problem... $100,000 in a cheap safe.
The guy was tearing up at the end. 😢
It's a horrible feeling.
I feel for him! @@RPGoob
"I don't trust banks"
He lost years of savings and is contemplating his choice of keeping it at home. He realizes he made himself and his wife a target for thieves.
If he was told his insurance would cover those things and it didn't, the insurance adjuster's own insurance should kick in. They have their own policy for things like that, I would get an insurance lawyer asap.
It’s standard on all homeowners policies to have a limit on jewelry, firearms and money. It’s not like they hide it or anything, and in fact, there are insurance rider policies to cover things like extra expensive jewelry. Everyone should read their homeowners insurance policy to understand what is covered and what is not. He did have a six figure coverage, but there are always exclusions and the type of things that were the most valuable in his case were part of those exclusions for lower limits.
We definitely need an update when there is one. I hope they catch these guys. You should have shown us the security footage!
You have to get an additional insurance rider on top of your homeowner's policy to cover things like jewelry, guns, furs, precious metals, and collectibles. That's true in almost every case.
yeah thats pretty much common sense. he just didnt want to pay up for it.
@@Thomas-Skaa Is it hyper rich person expensive or moderately?
Any politician in Oregon: "the thief was just trying to feed their starving kids, so have some compassion!"
100% and the man would be shamed for speaking up
Everyones gotta eat, and its a dog eat dog world. Dont hate the players, hate the game 🤷🏿♂️ Dude voted and got what he wanted and deserved. Guys a beta and was about to cry on camera 😂. I hold politicians and voters more accountable than the criminals. Liberals vote to get theives lighter sentences, and Ill bet you $100 this dude voted biden.
buddy of mine had all his music gear stolen from his new house the week after he moved in. He was watched moving in by neighbors, who saw what was moved in, and then spent the week paying attention to his schedule.
I agree - take precaution with contractors doing any type of work around your home.
I don't understand why people just can't leave people's stuff alone! Theifs are the worst. I wish you the best.
Because people suck.
European talking to a Native American 😮😮 I think you stole a whole country!!!
@@Bill-lg1xy really
Your right, we should have wiped out the entire indigenous population and we would not have these problems.
Humanity is a failed experiment. Bring the asteroid.
Oh, man... that's awful. I'm so sorry to hear about this.
This breaks my heart. I've been through this exact scenario TWICE and it's such a violating feeling beyond the financial loss. People always make fun of me with how many cameras, motion sensors, etc I have at my house now, but until you've gone through this yourself, you just don't get it. Yes, insurance is a complete joke and doesn't come close to replacing things unless you have an insanely high cost plan which essentially you could then just be using that monthly premium to stack more, so there's no real best answer here. Praying somehow they find these guys and you are able to recover a lot more than you got from insurance. Keep your head up, learn from this, and move forward. Don't let these idiots stop you from achieving your stacking goals and financial freedom!
*100k of stuff in a 1k safe with no other security? He let other people (contractors) see his safe and told them his schedule? All insanity*
Hubris. Arrogance.
From Portland, probably thought he was untouchable and he's the main character...😆
and the real kicker is this all happened in Portland..
I bought my safe from the Brown safe manufacturing Co. for around $3,700 back in 2009, today I think it's around $5,500. It wouldn't be as easy to get into as the safe you have. I keep it in a secure room in the basement of my house bolted to the concrete floor. Cameras everywhere with notification. I also have 2 large guard dogs. Sorry, this happened to you.
Now that I've got your ip address, let the challenge commence
Agreed! This dude had a serious POS safe.
I also have 3 cane corsos
@@freemanfornow264 C'mon down, i welcome you.
@freemanfornow264 if he can afford a $3700 safe he can afford VPN lol...😆
Great video brother thanks for the info i feel bad for the guy 😔
Man what a nightmare. I would have never thought about that. Scary feeling
Only a visible safe should be used as a decoy
YES! I wish more people thought this way. You want visible diversionary valuables where no real valuables exist. 100%
Only a visible safe should be used?
@@johnmcbride364 The operative word is decoy. Try to keep up.
@@johnmcbride364 you need an eye doctor stat lol...
@@johnmcbride364 Large safe out in the open, stack it with books and cheap copper bars (they will think gold, silver and cash) place an airtag inside for precise tracking.
Sorry that you went through that man, but the first time you got robbed was buying a Liberty safe.
its almost always contractors. i had a company redo my basement a few years back. and they robbed me blind. fortunately not to this extent, but they did take a lot of electronics, cameras, cash, etc. never let these people out of site or in your home when you arent home.
I spent 15 years in the trade (uk). Only witnessed 1 scumbag in another company. Not disputing you, just like to point out that it's far far from the norm. The guys I knew were good honest hardworking men.
@@eastlothian98 you do get low skill help working for the contractors who pass on the info to "associates"
Thank you for bringing awareness to the situation.
An hour and ten minutes and no neighbor noticed?! Pick a new place to live.
He's in Portland. lol
Happen to me in 2008, and all 30 neighbors seen nothing....or thought anything was suspicious.....neighbors use to be neighbors but not anymore.
I lived in a safe N. Dallas neighborhood and had people in my house three mornings in one week - hanging out, drinking my beer and partying. They would leave before I got home at noon. The neighbors saw them and could identify all four people and the vehicle - and didn't do anything or even mention it to me until I confronted them.
@@jankof76 I don't even know my neighbors and Ive lived here for 10 years.
My neighbor would be the one breaking in
I am so sorry happened to you. It's just awful to hear. Thank you for being brave to tell your story so others can learn. I trust in God to judge these evil thieves and restore your losses.
You should have posted pics of the crooks
I’m pretty confident they will catch them but if the detectives for some reason can’t I will do a follow up video for sure
@@SilverDragons47 why wouldn't you just post them just as an added help, doesn't make sense to assume they're caught. Help the guy out. He helped you make money on this video
@@SilverDragons47 The sooner the better. It would have been better for both your viewers, the victim, and other potential people who might recognize the culprits if you had posted them on this video. Thanks for the help you did though.
@@SilverDragons47 knowing who they are and catching them are not the same thing. they can know who he is but hes in mexico by now
You should have posted pictures. Then privately got DNA results.
Maybe do a little hunting with the new tools that you replaced.
Im so sorry this has happened. I pray we all learn from this. Thank you for sharing this. education and awareness is needed for all of us. again im so sorry you have gone through this.
All safes should be bolted down and tight to a corner on the side the door opens. These are two things that greatly increases the security of any safe.
Also, when moving to a new home dont move a safe in during the daylight hours if your house is visible to neighbors.
or you know. cover up the safe and transport sideways. will look more like a cabinet or table or something. make the shape look weird under the blanket too. add some lumps and stuff. make it non safe looking
Most safe movers will deliver in an unmarked truck and will keep the safe covered until inside.
Thanks for sharing. Everyone else acting like they’re so smart offering advice is hilarious. Especially the ones saying not to post and not tell anyone. Do you realize you’re telling everyone you stack by posting in these comments????
Insurance is such a scam.
I had my safe busted into a few years back ,I keep my valuables in a hidden floor space ,they spent hours getting into the safe to retrieve the bars of nordic gold i cast for this occasion 👍
Atta boy! The safe honey trap!
Stacking precious metals is just like fight club. The first rule of stacking/fight club is you don't talk about stacking/fight club.
This is heartbreaking. I’m so sorry for your loss. I’m glad you and your family are safe.
Horrible. This is why my metals are stored in multiple locations. Safes are not safe. If they find one of my locations, I am not ruined as I still have 80 pct of my stack.
What if they find 80% of your stack and miss the safe?
@@busterbiloxi3833 - About as likely as pigs flying.
If they have a full month to search with no interference and dig up the whole property.. maybe
I share other viewer's appreciation that Alex would be willing to reveal his loss to the stacking community as a cautionary tale for their benefit. Many thanks to him and my prayers are with him and his family in hopes that they can recover some or most of the stolen items. I have ALWAYS been leery of workmen or contractors in the house. A few have seen my safes but it's been my policy recently - and from here on out - to keep ANYONE from knowing where I keep stuff.
If you're going to have the safe inside your house, you could try building a cabinet facade around the safe to hide it.
Great video. Appreciate what you do.
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Thanks for sharing that Alex. Also very sorry to hear.
I use an old safe from the late 1800s that is so heavy it nearly went through the porch when we brought it into the house. It’s also behind a false wall and you’d never know it was there anyways.
Heavy because its a file safe, with white asbestos filler in the wall cavity. Easily penetrated with handtools if the crooks can find it of coarse
I just came across this video. I was reluctant to watch it because it brought back terrible memories of a similar experience I went through. I am so sorry for you, Alex. No one knows the depth of the pain and feelings of being violated, like I'm sure you're going through. I had all of my life long saving stolen, and I feel deeply for what you and your wife are experiencing right now. I hate to be cliché about it, but time is the only thing that will heal this wound that you and your wife share. I'm so very sorry for your loss.
Don’t let it bother you too much. You can make it back. It sucks, but it can always be so much more worse.
That's why you ALWAYS bolt your safe to the floor. ALWAYS!!!!!!
they would have dome same thing standing up
Bolting that safe would accomplish nothing. Bolting is for small safes that could be carried away.
They would have cut te safe while bolted. Don't have a safe, find a good hiding spot. One that would take hours to find.
Have a little bit of ur stack in the safe as decoy. Maybe even the fake stuff. The rest loose it in a boating accident
Bolting a safe isn’t a guarantee, but it will make things more difficult to brute force open with less working room. Seems like most times that thieves put safes on their back to work on em.
That a gutting experience. You have my deepest sympathy. It looked like you had been targeted by professionals. Who had cased you from where you purchased.
I was thinking the same. Juggers who had been casing gun stores and PM sellers for potential victims when they noticed he made repeated trips to the same dealer. Then it was just a matter of learning his schedule after they followed him home or traced his plate.
So sorry that happened to you guys. Praying to God for extra blessings to you
OP, get a lawyer to sue insurance company. These companies are sneaky but they do get intimidated by lawyers quite nicely. 100k can easily pay for your attorney bill. Good luck !
You get screwed during the burglary and then you get screwed again by the insurance co. My home was burglarized in 2014, it changes you forever.
I use to write homeowners policies… gold/silver is ALWAYS endorsed separately (if you have values above and beyond the policy limits) normally that endorsement only covers actual cash value (acv) however some insurance carriers offer an extended coverage with replacement cost. Yet, most carries will just deny a theft loss of that magnitude, unless you itemize each annd every item and pay the annual premium for said items. This becomes extremely expensive, and most folks decide to pass on the coverage. I’m sorry about your loss. I hope they find those scumbags
When I asked my insurance company about my coverage (because like him, I have $200k of “contents coverage” in my policy), I was told it doesn’t cover a silver stack or numismatics, because they would need to be independently assessed for value, annually reassessed, and insured separately.
I don’t put cash or silver in my safe that is the first thing they hit hidden in plain sight is usually best.
First mistake- do not store valuables in a gun safe. They are not fire-rated for more than 30 minutes and as you can see they are not all that difficult to bust open with pry bars. Tons of RUclips videos demonstrating that. Invest in a proper large and heavy TL-30 or better rated safe bolted to the floor. They are expensive but work to protect up to two hours from fires and burglary attempts. A TL-30 rated safe takes a locksmith with the manuals, schematics and proper tools and years of training 30 minutes to get in. Two idiots with a battery operated grinder will only scratch it before deciding to just take the TV & iPad before fleeing the scene. Buy as large as you can so to hold those smaller cheaper fire boxes inside them for additional fire protection for the ultra precious pictures/jewelry/cash etc.
Maybe cheap gunsafes are not fire-rated for more that 30 minutes, good ones are. You think guns and a suppressor are not "valuable"? Think again.
TL-15 too
Actually TL30 means that UL testers fould not make a 4" hole or open the door within 30 minutes using tools they can carry by hand.
If the safe has an electronic and it's not one of the $1000+ locks like a Kaba-Mas X-## series or S&G 2740B (which are not sold to non-governmental purchasors) it can generally be opened in about 15 minutes with a Taylor Instruments Phoenix. Sales are restricted to locksmiths and the unit costs about $3000 but it really can.
my poor old house could not carry the weight of a bank safe or double door safe LOL. it 'd go right through the wood floor LOL.
One must pay 5000 bucks for a good safe.
i was never a fan of safes. they are basically a huge welcome sign. when you see a safe, your first thought is, wow, there must be some expensive stuff in there! always better off keeping your valuables in a cardboard box in the attic or closet.
I know a TL-15 or TL-30 is not for everyone but if a person can afford a TL safe and their home can hold the weight of the safe, TL is the way to go if you’re concerned about maximum protection against having the safe cracked open
If you got 100k in stuff you can afford a TL30
Except the thief had over 60 minutes, what do you think the 30 in TL-30 stands for, hours?
@@BoxStudioExecutive Do you think the thief was a safe expert with extensive knowledge of a specific TL safe and had the required tools available to break into said TL safe? Unless you can say yes to all of that, you don't understand how the TL rating is given.
@@jerrysimms4717 The location of the safe can be another problem. If the safe is to be placed on a second floor, that could be a real problem, especially if talking about bigger TL safes taller than 36". The weight of these safes is a good and bad problem to have.
These geniuses struggled to get into a mid level gun safe, I dont think they would have got into even a TL15
Insurance companies require added coverage for specialty valuables (coin collections, camera equipment, firearms, antiques, etc). Those items are almost never covered under regular theft insurance policies. And those specialty policies cost A LOT. But of course, they don't tell you that. So sorry this guy was targeted. It sounds like the thieves are easily identifiable so hopefully the cops will have no problem catching them. I hope they are lame enough to try to sell the coins at Harry's coin shop. All of the antique stores and coin shops within a 100-mile radius should be alerted.
Also, if you purchase added insurance coverage for specialty items, the insurance companies dictate the minimum security requirements of your safe. They may not insure $100k in a RSC.
And they want an itemized list😮
If you have that much value that needs to be in a safe invest in a better safe than a liberty. No safe will keep them out if they have the right tools and time but a higher end safe will make it take much longer meaning the chances of them getting caught goes up dramatically. It helps to cover it in a tarp or refrigerator box or pile junk items around it. Most importantly don't forget to bolt it down to the floor from the inside and preferably to a wall from the inside as well. If it's on a concrete slab use at least 1/2" anchor bolts, if it's on a wood floor push a grade 8 bolt through from the bottom in a basement or crawl space and use a grade 8 nut along with a lock nut on the inside of the safe. It's best to use a large washer or steel plate with a hole in it so the bolt doesn't simply go through the wood floor if they try to pry it away from the wall. It's much easier to pry open a safe door laying on the floor than upright which is the most common way thieves open safes.
Wow, sorry for your heartache, this will help people to be more concerned with their security. Thanks for sharing your story.😠
WTF moves TO Portland?
Ikr 🤦♂️
Wonder if this guy voted lib and whether he still will
People who want to live there? Just sayin'.
That's right, don't move to Portland, deadbeats.
Sorry to hear this, but that’s not a safe. It’s a tin box to any construction worker. If you are getting a safe it needs to have a minimum TL-30 rating anything less is a waste of money. Also the only reason to get a safe is for a decoy!
So sorry to see this Alex. All the best to you and thank you for sharing your insights.
It was a Burglary not a Robbery. A subtle but important difference.
Hmm as in premeditated vs opportunity
Robbery is where the owner is present I believe
@@jameskeenan1351 Generally Burglary is the breaking and entry of a dwelling of an other (at night) with the intent to commit a felony inside. Robbery is theft with the use or threat of force.
A lot of people incorrectly use the word improperly. Yes, a robbery is when you are present and a burglary is when you are not.
robbery-the action of taking property unlawfully from a person or place by force or threat of force.
Thanks for sharing this tragic story. Sucks
Having a safe in the house is the most dangerous thing you could possibly do. when they hold a gun to your daughter's head and tell you to open your safe what are you going to do. You've got to hide it in the other places that nobody's going to look. I went so far as to purchase $200 worth of stage money which is 1 million worth of prop money complete with money bands. They will run with that and try to use it and get caught for counterfeiting also
But......but.......I dont have a daughter.............
@@shotgrouptexas7107 well get busy...we'll wait........ :-)