Divinity Nerf!? A Bald Man's Thoughts
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2022
- Broman shares his thoughts on the Divinity nerf discussion online, and wow he's just so insightful
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The hilarious thing is, people WANTED build diversity and necessity in Destiny.
Well of Radiance + Divinity + Aeons is a SUPPORT BUILD.
It's like going "Man, I wish we had something like a Druid to play with to buff the party (or de-buff the enemies)." Then they get it, and they go, "Man, these enemies sure die a lot faster than they used to."
That's a sad excuse for "support", where you do next to nothing. You know what's supposed to be a support class? Void hunter. Except crowd control is a joke, and tether is outclassed by a SPECIAL TRACE RIFLE with 200 in the mag.
@@milzhere Supports in every game do nothing 😐… thats the point of the support..
@@amoringful This is just not true lol. There are games were support playstyle is very very easy, but I feel like that is just bad design. Of course it is nice to have a role that a lesser skill player can slot in and have fun casually, but the same strategy should not be the best most optimal dps strategy.
@@tristanwright9572 U jus proved the point
Do you not understand what "diversity" means? Being forced to run Well and Div in every boss encounter is not diversity and is not fun.
Honestly, just give us more support weapons so that different encounters have different optimal support weapons
Yeah, like why couldn't they make Lumina more useful and add a couple other things? There will always be one of these "necessary" weapons but it would be nice if there were 4 or 5 different kinds of those things
@@corylyonsmusic lumina is clearly the PvP support weapon, I'd much rather see a rework to tractor cannon, maybe add an actual catalyst rather than some stat boosts, here's a quick fire buff u could go off of, keep the debuff and how it works now, but add in the catalyst the ability to have the weapon charge shots so it can have a wider range of affect a longer reach and longer debuff the longer u charge the shots, so if u needed u could debuff a singular target like a raid boss from further away for longer or debuff multiple enemies as once with the wider radius with the only trade off being u gotta charge the shot, as for the addition of new support weapons I'm all for, that should be a priority bungie needs to focus on
I think the overall divinity issue isn't about buff everything for us to be insane and badass, it's about the fundamental skill of aiming. A skill that every player casual or elite that rewards them for landing precision shots and thus doing more dmg to an enemy.
The issue with Div is we are eliminating a core component of gameplay that every player has to overcome to succeed.
Divinity significantly reduces that aspect of the gameplay AND adding a debuff ontop of it makes it a 100% pick option. Suddenly, tether debuff becomes unnecessary for boss dmg, melting point (when it was around) didn't need to be applied even tho it was 50%. Divinity is just superior in every way due to it's range capabilities and ammo.
I agree having a weapon be a tool to make parts of the game easier can be good for the more casual player. But not at the cost of making other choices effectively useless in comparison. Now elite players should be hitting more consistent shots, but by nerfing div we hamstring the casual players. An easy crit spot can be a life saver in some high flinch engagements, but I believe removing the debuff opens up the use for other ways to debuff a target encouraging more build diversity. We reign in divinities superiority for high teir players without being a all in one solution for debuffing for easy dmg. But still gives the casual player a means of making aiming easier
I’d say make the divinity bubble lingers until detonation but the detonation is what inflict the debuff
You know the community is "bored" when they need to come up with stupid nerfs
You know destiny is in a good spot when we all have to dig to find things to complain about
It’s not a stupid nerf. The issue is that using div is always the best option on day 1’s and master content. There should be more pathways to optimal dps than use div
I don't think it's stupid tho. I mean Divinity is literally only net positives. There's no drawbacks for it. it's literally make a giant crit spot impossible to miss AND applying a 40%(?) debuff on top of that. It's dumb. It also wouldn't be as necessary if pve flinch was so stupid and sending your weapon into the sky to the point where certain crit spots are impossible to hit. Feel like div just ruins runs or even first day raids because it just makes everything too easy when things just melt at the sight of it.
@@Falcons_Punch Naw just let it be or force tractor cannon be a linear fusion rifle or fusion rifle etc.
or it’s the “pro players are ruining the game for casuals”
Totally agree. My main issue with Div is just how absurdly powerful it is for an exotic that very few people have or even want to go through the steps to get. If tractor cannon placed a similar debuff or if there was a more easily accessible debuffing option, I feel like we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Div is just stronger than everything else, including something like tether (which should really be the king of debuffs). Imo, a special exotic that's locked behind a dlc and a quest in the leat enjoyable raid should not be stronger than everything else in the game. I know we all want raid exotics to be OP and awesome, but that's just not a sustainable balancing philosophy. So either nerf Div to be in line with other debuffs or buff all the other debuffs to be as strong as Div. What makes Div exotic should be the crit bubble, not the absurd debuff.
Yeah, let’s make game harder for casuals… good idea…
i think your "buff everything" also included a "have hard mode / contest mode" that a lot of commenters below are ignoring and provides a really good nuance to your perspective. hard/contest mode(s) allow(s) for the coexistence of inclusivity for casuals and challenging content at the top end, and allows for tuning of them separately, much like separately tuning pvp and pve sandboxes to some extent.
Here’s where I’m confused people have a problem with divinity because it’s a skill gap but how does using a tether + well and sitting in a spot for 30 secs shooting at the boss while the boss does nothing is any different?
I think the controversy was more about how using divinity allows everyone to easily hit headshots in any situation, rather than it providing a debuff. Wondering what your take on that is; removing the skillgap for aiming in pve in order to perform better?
Some people can't put out high damage on a raid boss even with div and all the other things. 😬
I've been on teams where I'm running div and will out damage half the players. Ouch
With all due respect, buffing everything when we are already at the highest point in power creep ever is a bad suggestion. 3.0 updates already delete everything and content has become trivial.
I think a more nuanced discussion needs to be had than just “buff everything”. That addresses none of the concerns brought up and only creates more problems
Exactly, I feel as though the change that saltagrepo suggests takes this into account because it takes all perspectives into account. It still has a use for difficult to hit crit bosses or low skill teams however you get a substantial increase to your overall damage when you don’t use it. It becomes much more situational instead of a one of all weapon allowing other utility options to take its place. Overall though I think people just don’t like the idea of anything being nerfed. The majority of the community doesn’t care if the game is brain dead easy at all points which to me is the biggest problem we have in the game currently.
@@EggyWeggyIII Exactly, the people who don't understand how sandbox balancing works are just scared of change, because they'll have to *gasp* adapt to using something else
You nailed it. People want everything handed to them on a silver platter, when the endgame is already extremely easy. MMOs would laugh in your face if you told them to cater their endgame to the most casual people in the playerbase. And they have actually successful endgame, because it's CHALLENGING.
@@milzhere yep, at the risk of sounding gatekeepy, not all content should be accessible to every player in the game. If you’re a low skill player, you shouldn’t be able to complete the end game content without extreme difficulty. Even though I’d be excluded, I wouldn’t mind if bungie made more content that even medium experience players were excluded from. Challenging activities force players to improve and give them more content. It’s like a ladder for players to climb where when they begin they start with the easy stuff, then as they improve they can slowly access harder content until they get to the hardest stuff. In D2 we go from doing patrols and strikes to end game immediately because the end game is so similar to the early game stuff in terms of difficulty.
The issue I have with the topic is going by challenge mode and other scenarios where players are severely handicapped. In those moments you'll use whatever you can to clear an activity, even if it's hanging back and plucking away with a scout or bow vs other primaries. However, once you're out of that severely handicapped mode, the weapons that were considered must-haves lose their importance by a lot.
Divinity isn't similar to rally barricade and lunafaction when they removed reloading to where it was a no-brainer to use them regardless of challenge level. There are other options to debuff a target and if the majority of your team can land your crits then the utility offers isn't make or break.
At most, if we want to make other options relevant, let's buff what it competes with such as tether, and maybe lower its debuff to 25% rather than 30%. But nerfing it to where it's borderline irrelevant and just being a crit spot generator doesn't make sense to me, especially since once challenge mode is over its relevance drops significantly.
I feel like we are finally in a meta that gives us options, bubble titians can give a 15~20 debuff with void nades, same with conserve hold void warlocks, we have blade barrage and golden gun, we got Izanagi and rocket with explosive light or Chill clip,Sleeper, whisper, Most Linear fusion rifles, Ghorn, Deathbringer, Warcliff, Xenophage, Parasite, Lament, thundercrash, nova bomb, well, div, Tractor cannon, witherhoard, slugs and pellet shotguns, radiant dance with fourth horsemen, Lumina with anything, Acrius, Font of might and we have radiant. Oh and touch of malus. We have Sundering glare as a trade off to div, It just seems everyone is so caught up in div they are trying different builds or options and that's just for boss damage not even talking about for GMs and other content in the game. Otherwise we finally have options in this meta.
Also selfish request from me please buff Banner shield (Sentinel shield) I wanna be cool tank for my team that helps them do damage.
Ward of dawn that follows playet
Sundering glare isn't a trade-off to div
- Only does 20%
- Goes away at the end of the season
- It was only popular the last time because it STACKED with div, giving 50% overall debuff
- Much harder to proc and much more inconsistent compared to div
Dov is too strong and too easy. Makes all other debuffs irrelevant in a dps setting
I was always been on the same page with that. Stop needing and buff everything. Then people will have options on what they want for PvE and PvP.
It doesn’t need a nerf, just Bungie needs to balance it correctly when it comes to encounters. Like not applying the 40% buff to Oryx.
When will the nerfs stop. We have had so many nerfs each month. Lorley to eager edge to divinity. This is tiring lol
Im currently trying to get Divinity and it is painful. If it gets significantly nerfed im ending myself.
Divinity doesn’t need a nerf. Salt is just weird asf for these changes and I can tell bro doesn’t LFG in the destiny community and just plays with his clan. Bro wants to nerf well, divinity but also nerf the boss damage like what? That’s a terrible suggestion.
@@ParisPK Thats exactly what I am thinking
Honestly it will be in the tower exotic kiosk when lightfall comes out
@@TwiztedJuggalo25 Thats what I was hoping for but then they said they were gonna stop vaulting content. Don't get me wrong thats good but im not sure if Divinity will be moved to Kiosk.
@@TwiztedJuggalo25 the destiny 2 lightfall showcase stated clearly that from now on, they will not sunset any content moving forward at all
I swear if this works and bungie does nerf divinity, they would literally just be jumping in the same cesspool apex in current caught in where content creators are the driving force behind nerfs and meta shifts that primarily benefit them, while leaving the rest of the players to suffer from the elitism worming its way into the games development
Lots of words to say really nothing
look divinity cancels other buffs and debuffs like tether
it makes those classes useless for endgame raiding
this shouldnt be the case... cant they just allow them to stack and balance around it
im really against buff and debuff stacking nerfs. we should be TRYING to stack everything for better dps
@@dochedgehog unless there was a way to track how long a debuff was on an enemy in destiny, debuff stacking was annoying as hell. Because trying to keep track of how long something is applied for, without knowing how long it has left is not the best. Other MMO's allow you to see that information on hand thanks to the UI of those games. Just one debuff on keeps it simple for something like Destiny
I think its simply top players complaining because they’ve“been there seen that” and just want change for changes sake. Not necessarily a bad thing but also not necessary either
Buffing everything is a damn good idea moving forward. These are EXOTIC weapons. They should feel powerful when used and OP; seriously. Buffing everything will bring in more players. Will these weapons melt adds and bosses on vanguard playlists and anything requiring 1540 or less, absolutely, but that’s why there’s Grandmaster difficulty and anything requiring 1580 power or more. It becomes more difficult to melt in higher difficulty content, so yea; buff everything.
slight problem, Gm nf are not fun, just throwing in more champions is not fun
Pls buff everything like actually would be fun
I think the nerf is Not ok .the div is Not easy to get Peace
Did bungie once state that they want us to play the game the way WE want, then go and nerf weapons to stop us doing that exact thing. Here’s an idea make better well thought out weapons you numptys. They just don’t know their own game.
ok, thats the worst opinion on buffs, but its an ok opinion on leveling system, if you overleveled for the activity you should destroy everything, but new content shoudnt be like that because it wont be enetreaining at all, and its better to watch a movie that playing such game
People reaching so hard, considering a majority doesn't even play end game activities, the main uses for Divinity doesn't even effect them.
There's also a thing called choice, don't use it if you don't like it 🤷♂️
I've seen the "don't use it" argument over a dozen times already, and it gets worse every time. That doesn't address the sandbox balancing criticism.
@@milzhere Again, the majority doesn't even have Divinity or play end game content.
There's basically a handful at most of support weapons and this is one of them. Remember Anarchy? Bungie always swings the pendulum too much.
@@KuroSlick That doesn't mean it shouldn't be balanced. Should vex one shot bosses because it's a raid exotic and most people dont have it?
It would be very easy to balance div to bring it in line. Hell, they could just buff other debuffs and leave div as is, but personally I think it'd still be too strong.
Bungie swining the pendulum too much sometimes doesn't mean they SHOULDN’T ATTEMPT to balance things that need it
@@milzhere The gun is basically only used in end game content, you nerf it, it becomes the next Anarchy. You do realise that if you tethered and debuffed the boss you'll do more damage right? You sacrifice damage on the 6th person using Divinity.
Plus a lot of people whining about it don't even own the damn gun.
@@KuroSlick There is absolutely no logic to that argument. Nerfing the debuff to div still keeps it in the exact same place, it just brings up other debuffs to be more competitive. Plus, anarchy is still good for certain builds like starfire and arc burn activities, it just doesn't dominate the game like it used to.
The people whining about it are the people whining that they don't want it nerfed. The other side is just making an objective criticism about sandbox balancing.
I find this whole thing funny yet really frustrating, sorry but this is a bit of a rant.
Those "elite" players that are complaining about it seem to forget that the reason Bungie made Divinity in the first place was to have a gun that made it easier to DPS bosses thanks to the bigger crit spot and the debuff it gives to the boss it's being shot at. And don't forget that it's a gun you obtain in a raid(end game content) plus you need to do a quest for it, of course it's going to be OP, and not all of us even have it, yet we sometimes depend on those who have it when we play with an LFG group. In fact, thanks to Divinity I have my only Kings Fall clear(and Touch of Malice), Warpriest was a damn tank.
What's the next thing this elitists will complain abou? That Wardcliff erases Oryx's daughters in mere seconds? The busted tracking of Truth or Eyes of Tomorrow? Why don't you complain on other things like the linear fusion meta? Because with the exception of using Wardcliff for the daughters, linears are the only viable thing for Kings Fall.
This goes to the "elite" players that have started this:
I dont care if the game's too easy for you, you don't even represent a 1% of the playerbase, if you're bored because you don't find a challenge, go play other more challenging things and leave the rest of us alone. I remember you people complaining that Warmind cells made ad clearing too easy, where are they now? It's been over a year since I saw the last player using them, and I've also stopped using them because they're trash now, so thanks for taking that enjoyment out of the game because of your ego...
End game content it's already difficult for us who either don't have a lot of time to play or that are simply not as skilled, so stop trying to make it even more difficult.
Thats fine, but the "ease of use" exotic shouldn't also be combined with the absolute best debuff in the game.
This has nothing to do with making the game harder for you. The game is objectively easier than any MMO in existence. This has to do with sandbox balancing. It's fine if you don't understand that convo, but don't take it personally. With the nerfs most reasonable people want, it literally wouldn't affect how div is used for low-skill players.
One gun should not be the answer to all your engagements. By having that one option be the best pick, you are effectively neutering all other debuff options in the game. Making any build diversity pointless.
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My guy won 3 raid race in a row and says it's too easy now. Just don't use it next time. Simple as that.
My thoughts exactly. I wish bungie would lean in more to the power fantasy side of destiny and let people make super strong/weird/fun builds that are all equally viable and importantly fun. Let me use up all my mod slots to make a melee build that can one shot a strike boss, or let me make a sweet business build on my Titan that leans into the ridiculousness of a super tanky heavy gunner that doesn’t need to ever reload and does decent damage. Let people go wild and gave fun.
Content creators ruining destiny again
Make Tractor cannon have a better debuff than Div. Reduce Divs debuff slightly and make the crit bubble for Div smaller. Done.
Why should Tractor Cannon be stronger than Divinity? That makes no sense, Divinity you actually have to earn by doing raid tasks whereas you can just buy Tractor Cannon from Xur. No thanks.
@@KuroSlick Well, that's true that Divinity is harder to get. But actually using tractor is harder since it's a shotgun so you have to get close while Div is a trace rifle that you can just laser things with from pretty much any distance. I don't think either should be changed honestly.
@@omegaxtrigun Both are niche guns, but Divinity is only really used in end game activities because distance. Tractor Cannon was good for Riven and Galran and was used in most end game activities...
Nerfing raid exotics is the dumbest thing, they should be the best weapons to get. Best in slot.
Exactly, also buff tether
@@KuroSlick Because in an actual dps setting, tractor requires MUCH more tradeoff than div does. How you acquire the exotic doesn't matter for sandbox balancing.