Yeah 1,8 BILLION in debt for KTM alone is not something that can easily be overcome, let alone the total of 3 BILLION in debt for the Pierer Mobility Group. The question is how the he*** they've managed to rack up that much debt to begin with, as they must have been totally brain-dead?
The fact that KTM have stopped the development of next years MotoGP bike until atleast after the first tests is bad news for the riders season, if they still have one come that time.
Nothing wrong with my KTM and it’s far from the most “premium”priced in its class. KTM’s issues come down to their management over capitalising in too many projects, companies in an economy that couldn’t support the growth.
Not all numbers are correct but there is quite a debt. Ler’s hope they find a solution since KTM makes great bikes. They are too big to just vanish. Now would be actually best time to get KTM at some deal price.
I HOPE ktm had enough made in the pipeline to make a step in 25. Sadly i feel they are gone after contract expires in 26. But if they dont have upgrades ready that budgets getting cut
Budgets are voted and allocated year-on-year. The 2025 MotoGP racing budget has already been defined. The Dakar budget has also been allocated. But 2026 not; I am guessing in the 2025 budget, there was provision for the 2027 bike. But nobody knows what is going to happen if the creditors take over after the self administration period of three months.
Spread themselves to thin, made too many bikes that are similar 790, 890, 990 parallel twin nakeds and adventure on same platform, marmite styling with limited colour choice, premium pricing on unreliable bikes, charging customers for full electronic package, times are changing people want cheaper bikes like Honda's new cb1000 for 9 grand.
The problem is young folk don’t ride bikes , except Asia , at a bike rally we struggled to find 2 people under 30 , bikes in Australia are picked on by police and young people can’t afford fines or loss of license also with the economic situation race meeting are hugely expensive due to insurance
Really hope they figure this out. They are such a staple in branches of moto racing. Also, hard to imagine healthy MotoGP if we lose another manufacturer. Perhaps Red Bull is the answer. Fingers crossed and hoping for the best ❤
all the dealers can do is discount the previous year models and order less, and Ktm will trim and produce less, KTM like most companies will be fine, the sold count is probably counted when dealers accept them, they will figure it out.
well cost of living crisis is a real driver of lower sales, Ktm makes some of the best bikes ever, but these are toys and if people dont have disposable income its hard to sell them, makes sense, its happening to plenty of companies but no one wants to accept we are having a type of recession. Its not really a fault of KTM, not sure what they can do to fix these external issues at the time
I was reading an article today on the internet...where it said that Suzuki intends to return to MotoGP in the future... Is there any truth in these claims...???
yeh their ceo has indicated they want to re-enter the racing scene as a factory team but didn't specifically say motogp it could be WSBK first and they wont be doing anytime soon as they stated they need to do a restructure of their current bike line ups etc to work their way back so possibly try for the new engine phase.
I wish people would stop spreading the €3 billion debt It’s not €3 billion debt, company Debt is €1.6 billion, €1.4 billion liabilities Company assets €3.6 Billion
Wow, I would be BEYOND pissed at KTM if I was an owner who had a cam failure warranty denial on a sub 10k mile bike, then watched them spending 10s of millions on their race programs. A few riding buddies have picked up used KTM ADV and dirt bikes at great prices here in Texas.
The European and American and perhaps the UK bikes are so expensive and the customer base if getting older and poorer. The "Asian Market" is a utilitarian not a prestige market.
I think KTM's survival will depend on whether or not they are considered too big to fail. They will likely need a bail out from the Austrian government or EU. Austria has been a little reluctant in its support for financial assistance to Ukraine. The EU will likely punish Austria for this and 'help' KTM go away. It's going to be a rough road ahead.
I can’t understand racing in MotoGP and not having a standard sport bike offering in 600-1000cc. It’s hard to even be a fan when they basically don’t give an eff about sport bike riders.
The ONLY reason BMW would be swooping in? If there was some tech that KTM held patents on, and BMW wanted to incorporate that tech into future designs. I don't see KTM holding any such tech.
Ramp up CFmoto production to make smaller cc bikes/scooters for the Asian market like what the Japanese do but slap a KTM logo on it and not CFmoto and make it look like your getting a low cost KTM would probs sell better to me in that market , like walking into you local scooter dealer and you can have a brand new honda or a cfmoto.For the mass market who dont know about brands and stuff they would just choose the honda over brand recognition.
I hear that Bajaj are major shareholders in KTM if true will they use this to take over control of KTM and if they did that how would that change things going forward .KTM have had issues with their bikes sold in the market and they have this strange attitude to customers where they give their bikes all the gizmos for 6 months then switching them off and the customer has to pay yet again to get them back not a great business model when compared to the chinese bikes that have it all from the off included in the price and are improving all the time as do all other brands too 👍 .
*Timestamps:*
00:00 - Introduction: Today's Topic
00:33 - Overview of KTM's Current Situation
01:17 - Factors Contributing to the Crisis
02:29 - Impact on Racing & the Brand's image
04:11 - Community Reactions & Speculations
05:05 - Current State of KTM & Its Brands
06:31 - Ambitions vs Reality
07:33 - Financial Concerns & Employee Impact
08:40 - Long-term Implications for Racing
10:27 - Sponsorship Dynamics & Market Changes
11:38 - Japanese vs European Manufacturers
13:23 - Racing Dynamics & Future Challenges
15:00 - Financial Backing & Team Dynamics
16:36 - Concerns about KTM's Future in MotoGP
17:41 - Lessons from Suzuki's Exit
18:50 - Financial Stability & Sponsorship
19:38 - Potential Changes in Ownership
20:59 - Industry Concerns & Manufacturer Stability
22:28 - Red Bull's Influence in MotoGP
24:02 - Marketing & Brand Development
25:04 - Investment Philosophy & Opportunities
27:54 - Rider Perspectives & Future Developments
28:50 - Importance of Communication & Team Stability
30:25 - Anticipating Changes Ahead
31:06 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up
Top work 👑
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Its a scary amount. i cant see them getting over this.
Yeah 1,8 BILLION in debt for KTM alone is not something that can easily be overcome, let alone the total of 3 BILLION in debt for the Pierer Mobility Group.
The question is how the he*** they've managed to rack up that much debt to begin with, as they must have been totally brain-dead?
The fact that KTM have stopped the development of next years MotoGP bike until atleast after the first tests is bad news for the riders season, if they still have one come that time.
I can’t see them on the grid by the time the new regulations come in. The only good thing is Suzuki are making noises about coming back for then.
Who’d have thought charging a premium for issue-prone motorcycles and using your customers as beta-testers could go wrong .
I read a lot of this online, but honestly my 550 mxc and 690 smc have been the most bulletproof reliable bikes I’ve owned…besides the Hondas.
Nothing wrong with my KTM and it’s far from the most “premium”priced in its class. KTM’s issues come down to their management over capitalising in too many projects, companies in an economy that couldn’t support the growth.
Ignoring the warranty claims of owners with destroyed cams helped, too.
Not all numbers are correct but there is quite a debt.
Ler’s hope they find a solution since KTM makes great bikes.
They are too big to just vanish. Now would be actually best time to get KTM at some deal price.
If every KTM fan bought one share you could save families and jobs.
Not without a change in corporate culture. Bad management is the problem here. Purchasing stock won't fix their real problem.
Wow. That's an awesome band-aid that would keep KTM on life support for a few more months and, in NO WAY, correct the root cause of the problem.
@@GregOwens-vh4se spoken like a true stockholder 😂
Racing at KTM is a division. It is not a separate company and as such will come under the hammer by the administrators like any other department.
It is actually listed as a separate company that’s why it will continue to race
I HOPE ktm had enough made in the pipeline to make a step in 25. Sadly i feel they are gone after contract expires in 26. But if they dont have upgrades ready that budgets getting cut
How many people working for KTM moto GP team are secretly looking at other teams for work 😮
Looking>Not Looking.
Redbull Racing incoming
Never
Budgets are voted and allocated year-on-year. The 2025 MotoGP racing budget has already been defined. The Dakar budget has also been allocated.
But 2026 not;
I am guessing in the 2025 budget, there was provision for the 2027 bike. But nobody knows what is going to happen if the creditors take over after the self administration period of three months.
Bad business management is normal? Really sad after we've all become fans.
Jews are normal so
Spread themselves to thin, made too many bikes that are similar 790, 890, 990 parallel twin nakeds and adventure on same platform, marmite styling with limited colour choice, premium pricing on unreliable bikes, charging customers for full electronic package, times are changing people want cheaper bikes like Honda's new cb1000 for 9 grand.
I can definitely see Ducati going the same way as KTM in 4 or 5 years time.
Ducati are in profit from their sales
@ianjohnson1207 For now anyway!
@@mick998r
They are a small dynamic company, certainly aren’t trying to be the biggest
As we’ve seen biggest isn’t always best
The problem is young folk don’t ride bikes , except Asia , at a bike rally we struggled to find 2 people under 30 , bikes in Australia are picked on by police and young people can’t afford fines or loss of license also with the economic situation race meeting are hugely expensive due to insurance
Really hope they figure this out. They are such a staple in branches of moto racing. Also, hard to imagine healthy MotoGP if we lose another manufacturer. Perhaps Red Bull is the answer. Fingers crossed and hoping for the best ❤
KTM spread themselves too thin.
They dug themselves into a hole but didn't stop digging.
That $150,000,000 facility in California is a great example. First thing you do when you find yourself in a hole? STOP DIGGING!!!!
all the dealers can do is discount the previous year models and order less, and Ktm will trim and produce less, KTM like most companies will be fine, the sold count is probably counted when dealers accept them, they will figure it out.
well cost of living crisis is a real driver of lower sales, Ktm makes some of the best bikes ever, but these are toys and if people dont have disposable income its hard to sell them, makes sense, its happening to plenty of companies but no one wants to accept we are having a type of recession. Its not really a fault of KTM, not sure what they can do to fix these external issues at the time
I was reading an article today on the internet...where it said that Suzuki intends to return to MotoGP in the future...
Is there any truth in these claims...???
I heard that somewhere too but, I believe they’ve sold all their MotoGP data to BMW so I’m not sure how they go about starting up again.
yeh their ceo has indicated they want to re-enter the racing scene as a factory team but didn't specifically say motogp it could be WSBK first and they wont be doing anytime soon as they stated they need to do a restructure of their current bike line ups etc to work their way back so possibly try for the new engine phase.
Nothing but rumours
Suzuki’s official stance, they have no plans to return to Motogp
I wish people would stop spreading the €3 billion debt
It’s not €3 billion debt, company Debt is €1.6 billion, €1.4 billion liabilities
Company assets €3.6 Billion
1.6 billion is 1600 million. That is a whole lotta lorry loads of cash
Maybe Volkswagen will buy them out. They already own pretty much everything in Europe anyway!
Wow, I would be BEYOND pissed at KTM if I was an owner who had a cam failure warranty denial on a sub 10k mile bike, then watched them spending 10s of millions on their race programs. A few riding buddies have picked up used KTM ADV and dirt bikes at great prices here in Texas.
The European and American and perhaps the UK bikes are so expensive and the customer base if getting older and poorer. The "Asian Market" is a utilitarian not a prestige market.
Big egos and big heads can get you in trouble.
KTM just had grand opening of their dirt bike headquarters in USA California it was like $150,000,000 who is in charge of that ship???
Think you’ve added an extra zero
Oh my sweet summer child.
You'd have to be a fool to buy a new KTM. What chance your warranty ends up being worthless?
Not if they are selling brand new for up to £6000 less in some dealers
No.
I think KTM's survival will depend on whether or not they are considered too big to fail. They will likely need a bail out from the Austrian government or EU. Austria has been a little reluctant in its support for financial assistance to Ukraine. The EU will likely punish Austria for this and 'help' KTM go away. It's going to be a rough road ahead.
I can’t understand racing in MotoGP and not having a standard sport bike offering in 600-1000cc. It’s hard to even be a fan when they basically don’t give an eff about sport bike riders.
I wonder how closely BMW is watching and whether they’re ready to pick up some pieces.
The ONLY reason BMW would be swooping in? If there was some tech that KTM held patents on, and BMW wanted to incorporate that tech into future designs. I don't see KTM holding any such tech.
bmw is struggeling too also vw group..
Ramp up CFmoto production to make smaller cc bikes/scooters for the Asian market like what the Japanese do but slap a KTM logo on it and not CFmoto and make it look like your getting a low cost KTM would probs sell better to me in that market , like walking into you local scooter dealer and you can have a brand new honda or a cfmoto.For the mass market who dont know about brands and stuff they would just choose the honda over brand recognition.
I wonder what Liberty are making of this…….
I hear that Bajaj are major shareholders in KTM if true will they use this to take over control of KTM and if they did that how would that change things going forward .KTM have had issues with their bikes sold in the market and they have this strange attitude to customers where they give their bikes all the gizmos for 6 months then switching them off and the customer has to pay yet again to get them back not a great business model when compared to the chinese bikes that have it all from the off included in the price and are improving all the time as do all other brands too 👍 .