Whats up with that rippled snare?
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2024
- In today’s episode on Spectre Sound Studios I’ll be explaining about the "ripple snare tuning" technique and answering your questions about it! Check below for the gear I discussed in today’s episode. Subscribe for more! bit.ly/1SfU1m4
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Detuned sounds like Ride The Lightning snare hehe :)
66Samus!
Daddy!
66Samus love ya 66Samus. Awesome drumming talent and great vids. They make me say "ohhrr rryeah" (attempting to type the way I hear it lol)
Oh yurr!
Man, all my homies listen to st anger snare!
Half of the drummers went "Oh..." and all the bassist went "What does the word "tune" mean?"
Wait....you can tune a bass?
@@darthanddedeu2580 what's tuning?
@@Tunkkis I have no idea
@@darthanddedeu2580 🤔🤔🤔
All the bassists ask the drummer how much they owe for the pizza? Drummer "Uh..."
"The wave can't traverse the ripples..."
+Leslie Clark That should be his next t-shirt.
+Helium Road agreed
I've used this technique for a while, and this is my favorite by far. It gets the best high end I've ever heard
Lol...
Now I understand why you get other drummers to play your demos.
They're not much use for anything else, but they do come in handy from time to time.
+SpectreSoundStudios yeah. they make great footstools XD
+SpectreSoundStudios lol fuck you man. XD
+SpectreSoundStudios FU GLENN!!!
Remo rippled.. for her pleasure hahaha!
I have seen this demonstrated a few years back on someone elses RUclips channel. I definitely thought it was interesting so I went and applied it to my kit. Here I am a few years later with a very warped hoop and what feels like a "crooked drum." I don't know how else to describe it really. The sound? amazing. The long term results? Not worth it IMO. I'm aware that you can always tighten the drum back up after each session and that's what I did. But there's only so many 3 to 4 hour long sessions a few times a week that a detuned drum can handle. I wish I could say this technique was the "end all- be all" but in my eyes it's not. Does it achieve a great sound? Absolutely. For long term use? I personally don't think so.
+Cameron Walega You never thought about buyinng a new hoop?
But wait! Couldn't you have done it the way after lets say a month of usage, take down the skins, turn the whole snare 90º and put it back tuning it the same way soo it would "pull the hoop back"?
Just a thought tough. Should work...
I really think this should be used as a studio application. most natural drum tones cover so much of the audio spectrum that most of the natural overtones wind up getting mixed out anyways in favor of the rest of the band. live most of those inherit snare sounds dissappear due to loud guitars/vox/etc so needing to use this tuning method all of the time would almost be pointless anyways. Imo this tuning method is just a shortcut to getting that very in place snare sound that's on most recordings. As an aspiring engineer getting the snare sound right is always a ton of work so this is just another super handy tool in the engineer's toolbox
+dzemohendrix ...OH!...
+dzemohendrix I think no matter how you try and alleviate the tension, you will inevitably warp your head over time. Yeah you can rotate it and pull on the opposite side, but how many do you think a head will sustain that before you reach diminishing returns? As John said, this should really be used as a studio application (which in this regards, is fantastic), because if you're a live musician, delay the inevitable as you may, but using this tuning method for 3 hours a night will wear your heads out much faster than not.
Don't let any bassist watch this! They might think that detuning a string on their bass will improve the sound just like the snare!
how much are we willing to bet that some bassist will now try to detune his strings to try and get a better tone instead of putting new strings on...
Wait detuning strings doesnt give you better tone?
I legitimately went "ohhh..." hahaha
Lmfao!
+SpectreSoundStudios Anyways Glenn, greetings from India, and I'm a HUGE fan of your channel... absolutely fucking LOVE your arsenal of drummer and bass player jokes haha
Same aye 😂
Tons more relaxed than trying to notch out any unwanted ring ... and the ringing that remains is still fully tunable! Brilliant!
But it sounded perfect at 1:05 :(
+norwaydude6 I agree
+norwaydude6 I do like it best there, but I'm thinking different sounds might need different sounds.
+norwaydude6 If you're playing funk, sure; but for rock and metal, most people prefer a dry snare for a punchy, quick decay that doesn't hang around and leave unwanted (for metal at least) overtones. Try using a snare tuned like that for AC/DC, it just doesn't work. Much the same as using a super dry snare for reggae won't work, different genres and styles call for different sounds, the beauty of this technique is that you very quickly and easily switch between those sounds just by tuning the bottom lugs up or down.
+JimJamBanx While I agree generally, the drum tone at 1:05 can work pretty well with death metal I think.
I actually prefer this tone for thrash and prog metal
I actually liked the sound of the clang. Maybe I have a brain tumor.
+MesaMXR me too!
It sounds nice alone but I'm pretty sure that it's bad for a full mix
+TurtleTortuga nah, just take out some 500 hz
+TurtleTortuga IMO the "clang" sounds even better when it's in a mix...you don't hear it nearly as much and it sits in nicely.
+MesaMXR It's preferred by Jazz drummers quite a lot because it gives the snare a clean, dynamic and classic snare sound. It'd be very hard to find a Buddy Rich or Dave Weckl track that doesn't have that overtone sound. I personally like it because it gives the drum more bounce for fast double strokes and just overall bounce. Plus, you can do some really awesome manipulative techniques and sounds on the snare by varying distance where you hit the stick on the head while doing rim shots (just hit the head and rim at the same time: makes any snare hit louder and snappier) - closer to the rim is more overtony, and centre snare is full snap.
I've been using that dude's snare tuning method for a little while now and it works like a charm. Highly recommended!
I know this is an old video and you probably already have but I actually got his drum tuning dvd and it really has made a big difference for me and my drums.
Hey Glenn. You'll be glad to hear Abandon All Ships are back!
I've came across that video a couple of months ago and used it for stage and recording... It's really easy and practical... You can tune your snare within 2 minutes backstage and you're good to go... works also perfect with 13" snare and 8 lugs...
Lars Ulrich will never watch this video through
go and look at lars ulrich dream rheater audition parody you will lyao
+ydin9 I noticed that his snare sounded pretty similar to the one in this video on the And Justice for all album where it was tuned high, but there was no ring.
ReznovRulz
Having a high pitched snare ain't necessarily a bad thing, but pushing it up in the mix,.. well we all know the results.It's the Lars way of saying "I hate the snare drum, our music and you all have to suffer with me".
+ydin9 Well, it's not like the ripple in the batter head will cause a timing correcting ripple in the space-time continuum...
+ReznovRulz i think he used moongels
I saw the video you're referencing video a while back and when it comes to hi-fi recordings, I've lived by this method of tuning since I first saw it, it's saved so much time in the mixing stage of things, keep up the good vids man! :)
You should do a video where you compare what the snare sounds like with the ripple effect vs. moongels, rings and other techniques. Sort of like your A B cabinet shoot out. Love your videos by the way!
I have been using this technique for a few weeks and I will never go back to "normal" tuning again! This is just the best way to tune a snare this far. Oh, and thanks Glenn for your videos! I got my wilkinson audio clips this week thanks to the video you posted about them, brilliant! I'm gonna try the behringer ecm8000+sm57 clip I got on my snare this weekend when we are going to record a cover of phantom of the opera by Iron maiden. I guess all I wanted to say is thanks Glenn, I have watched all your videos and subscribed already at the beginning when you started out and the channel was pretty small. Thanks and keep up the good work! Greetings from Finland!
I agree this works like a charm. I've been using this tuning for both live and in studio. The only thing I do different is loosing the one lug closest to me and tightening the lugs on either side of that lug 1 more turn.
There is an artist spotlight for Benny Greb that Remo did where he uses talks about using a very similar method to this. His is on an 8 lug snare,, however it is the same principle. Seeing as how Benny can play out drum most of the population in his sleep I would say this technique definitely worth checking out.
Well done Glen
Holy crap! You just solved something I never knew could be cured! What's next? Warp drive? Cancer? My wife always being late? Dude! You the man! (and the original people you cited as producing the method, of course) . Thanks for the information. I am going to try this today.
at 5:30 it went golden! thanks again Glenn for these vids and more power! greetings from the Philippines!
remember watching that video while back. different approach with good results for sure
I watched that tuning vid a few weeks back. I don't know why, but it was awesome.
GLENN FINALLY PLAYING SOME DRUMS!!!!
That's it, my life is now complete.
Damn dude that really makes a world of a difference. Definitely trying this when I get my drums set back up after renovating!
I have an old Pearl Free Floating snare which I've noticed always sounds a little better later into the session because the 6'o'clock tension rod ALWAYS comes loose. I used to hate the fact that it did that and tried to fix it but finally gave up because it does actually improve the tone.
I have done this. I used it for my metal band, and my country band, works amazing live as well. It is wonderful for controlling your snare sound, its really really good
saw his technique for this a while back, was always curious what you thought about it. seems really handy to know how to do as it can probably save a lot of time for some people to get a great sound.
This one's a couple years old, but I was reminded of this when I saw a Vulfpeck video. The Frequent Flyers video has the drummer using a rippled snare as well and it's not a metal or rock song. Seems like an interesting recording technique.
Even though drummers can't count to potato, they can still play the drums.
I usually at least get through half the potato's
+69zenos1 Of course I'm a bassist. It's not my day job though, hence I'm not fundamentally brain dead. I can give you counting lessons if you need them.
+69zenos1 Knock knock. Who's there? Drummer. Okay, coo....KNOCK KNOCK. Goddamnit, do I need to tell you to come in?
hahhhahaha that is funny.
Prostheta as a matter of fact I play guitar, bass and piano as well as drums. I know how to count. Thanks anyways.
Thank you thank you I have been trying for years to get the snare right on dire straits so far away from me now I have it I watched your video and the other. Wow thank you.
The ending to this is amazing.
I'm glad you decided to use this technique I showed you the video of
This is the best snare tuning. I've been using it for a long time now.
This will still warp your drum terribly after a while whether you tune it back up or not. If you leave it detuned it's uneven tension which will ruin your shell and maybe hoops. If you're constantly tuning and debuting half of it you will still ruin your drum and maybe hoops. There's a reason we use the star pattern to change heads the whole time, having uneven tension while tightening is just as bad as having uneven tension constantly. I can see this being a cheap studio trick for recording your record one time but not as a final solution unless you have plenty of money to keep buying snares but then you don't need the cheapest solution anyway.
This snare is cast steel with die cast zinc hoops. What was that about warping again?
+SpectreSoundStudios a lot of drums are still wood. Maybe for you this isn't a problem but it's not unreasonable to say it could be for some people. If it works for you, more power to you.
+shadow105720 Hey true, this is awesome but I would imagine that over time this could warp the drum if you had a wood snare
MrCreepyKitty True haha
+SpectreSoundStudios believe me, i saw steel snare drums with die cast hoops that were still warped by a bad tuning technique (yes, the shell and the die cast were warped). The best technique to tune is to use two drum keys, start with finger-tensioned lugs and go on 2 lugs at a time, by turning them 1/4 round and increase until you reach the tone you want, and you can have any sound you want, without drum dials or muffles or moongels.
But this technique you shown will warp the hoops and the shell, on a long run.
Such a simple and handy drum tuning technique! Really makes the snare sound dry
The Darkglass vintage recording sounds amazing!
Dude, I fucking LOVE the drum tones you've been getting on these last few videos(started noticing during your room mics vid...I'm gasing for a pair of ribbon mics now).
Yeah, they really add some depth to the drums!
It sound like you are getting some great sounds the way it is right now, but I think part of what Masshoff was trying to say in the original video was that he uses this technique so that he doesn't have to use a controlled head like the one you have on right now, like you said this trick let's a wider range if frequencies through but I think you might have even better results with an uncontrolled head. Great video!
This is a cool technique (I personally use it on both of my snares to get a sampled/909 sound), but it should be noted that the extent to which you were using it can be a little dangerous in the long run for your snare. Large enough disparities in tension over time will force the shell to warp, and go out of round. In general a similar effect can be achieved by just making sure the bottom 3~4 lugs are at mismatched tension. Provided the rest of the head is in tune, the detune will kill off a majority of overtones and keep the head under safer tension.
That was a neat concept, 23 years of drumming I never thought of trying that in the studio, thanks for posting Glen, and about warped hoops, well it`s not like they cost a fortune so why not have one just for that purpose for studio time right?, cheers! (that comment was for the doubters)
0:09 it's me!
Phosyll It's Google+s weird nickname thing, I just happened to be online at around the time Google+ was forcing everyone's RUclips names to be the same as their G+ names, which had to comprise of a first and last name, so I set it as this and hasn't touched it since :P
+Spooky “Scary” Skeleton Your comment was the only one he liked lol
I see you everywhere and I swear to god you stole my G+ username. Stop fucking spooking me you damn skeletor.
Aeterna Solus Chaeo boo
GLENN Thanks so
much, I fixed my school’s snare drum with this trick
This sentence at the end just made me ROTFL. Great tip Glenn! Will try it out.
some of our drum clients have complained of damage to the lugs doing this on some kits. but it seems fine on our DW
Like this video. didnt realize its possible to remove those overtones. Thanks glen
I saw that tuning video a time back. I am going to try it out.
OMG THAT RED TRANSPARENT GUITAR I SAW IN A MUSIC STORE JUST NOW WHICH WASNT FOR SALE, I FIND IT SUPER COOOOL
Seriously never tried this technique but stumbled across the original video a while ago. It seems to do the trick as it still keeps the drum sounding like a drum. As opposed to those horrible drum rings that just kill everything and make any drum sound like your hitting a cardboard box!
I still like the natural ring of a snare when a moongel is used right by the microphone but it can be a serious pain in the ass to mix from time to time.
I hear you talking about the snare and it is indeed a nice explanation, but I'm just in awe of that V on your wall lol
That drum roll was amazing.
Holy shit, this is magical. I used those Aquarius rings forever to solve that clang but this sound is so much better.
That ending was the best! Most drummers in the audience just went "uhhh". I've started using this tuning on my snare as well. It's phenomenal.
masshoff had his studio next to ours 😂 proud that he made a custom snare for me back then :)
for everyone questioning this technique, it works fantastic. only applicable to the snare drum though, and the whole reason behind it, is to control the annoying rings, whistles, and clangs different snares make. seeing that a snare is of the hardest drums to tame the sound. no it won't warp your drums, assuming you don't tighten your hoops to stupid tight tensions.
Love your videos man very informative. I really like that your videos cover such a wide variety of musical subjects, keep up the good work. Subbed for sure.
I'm a drummer and I didn't know you could tune your drums more than once. Amazing.
Thats pretty cool. Thanks for the knowledge drop! and yeah. I totally didn't think of tuning it back up after a session.....heh
Dave Weckl does something similar but with just one lug, but not as much to ripple the skin. As others have mentioned, I would be worried of long term warping of the shell
When I record a bad bass player, I detune to E, but 6 octaves below standard, then I play the parts in standard tuning after he leaves. Works like a charm and they think it’s magic.
If you want to experiment with something, mic the outside rim of the snare drum maybe 1-2 inches away. I know it sounds counter intuitive however it yields and amazing full spectrum snare tone. Anytime I have played live or recorded I would ask the engineers to humor me and in the end they loved it; of course its possible they were just being non confrontational. Let me know your thoughts if you try it! BTW love your videos and I am a subscriber
TJ is a REAL drummer!
Damn finely hones skills.
That last joke killed me! :D
lol
I wish you would talk about the acrylic BC Rich Warlock you've got hanging there. Looks killer.
Nice, I've been subtracting frequencies to take out the clang.
Hello Mr Glenn, could you do more videos about drums and drums recordings. Your videos about drums recordings are really useful,I would like to get some more information about it. Also I have few questions that I would like to get answers.
Very interesting!
You could have linked the video you are referring to in the description or as an annotation though!
dude, best snare video ever.
Wow the music montage with the stuff you've mixed is absolutely great, man! Good work, good work indeed!!! :)
Holy fuuuuuuuuuck. I've been trying to get that sound for five years now. Holy fuck... Thank you so much.
I really like the clanginess (as long as it's not totallly out of control), so I'll make sure not to loosen those lower lugs too much :P
GLENN PLAYING THE DRUMS!!! EPIC!!!
oh that finishing pun !
love it ! :D
the only time I can tell you're Canadian is when you say out
A QUICK TIP THAT I LEARNED A WHILE AGO
If you put a dry rag over your snare or toms it will muffle the sound. it deffintley sounds good when you have the snare off
This technique has been around for ever,is even more effective on Toms to give the decending pitch that is often heard. And you won't warp your drum however you will warp your rims.
Best ending to any video ever. Made my day lmfao
Interesting trick! Don't think I'll ever use it because I don't really like the sound, but still.... Interesting!
the ending made my day XD
I don't know if yo havent checked it out but have you considered the Evans Genera heads? I use the HD Genera Dry and it rocks. Its 2 ply with a muting ring attached underneath and has about 20 small holes drilled around the edge. Real fast attack and a gets nice bright tones ecfortlessly. Crank the reso head sky high and you're good.
Also, have you used the the Tumebot? I had a Drumdial briefly but I found it didnt really suit me or my kit at the time. The Tunebot turned things around for me though. Just take the to read the manual and don't be afraid to experiment with some of the artist settings. Dennis Chambers kit settings sound super nice. Best kick in my opinion.
Are you going to review that 7 string Green Legator from way back when Glenn?
Yes. It's coming very soon
SpectreSoundStudios \m/ Can't wait.
+SpectreSoundStudios how does it differ from the current (very nice) purple one
Glenn, could you make an episode on the effect of using different kinds of snare-wires on a snare drum. A comparison maybe? (I noticed a rather wide one used by the Masshoff-Drum-Guy) Also, I once recorded with someone demanding to use no snare-wire at all, which actually didn't sound that bad.
The deep kick really put me off on that Jazz-esque beat you played
Oh, I'm definitely trying this. I've been using hydraulic heads, and I love them, but I still get way too much snare bead buzz for my liking.
Wow Glenn! I definitely have to try this!
Dude, I was doing the phone or wallet muting for getting rid of that crazy ping sound, on my tama 6.5 x 14 snare. I just loosened the bottom two pegs and it sounds way better!
I legit Loled at the end there.
I watched the Mashoff vid too - excellent tecnnique, even if it's a bit tricky to achieve on an 8 lug drum. One thing though, I seem to recall that you would use the very bottom lug exclusively for dialing in the "ring", and the two adjacent lugs just for pitch. Did I get it wrong?
Hey Glenn. I'm in the process of getting my bedroo- I mean, *ahem* RECORDING STUDIO sound treated. I know you use a lot of rockwool type stuff, but I also see some foam and other materials in the studio. What kind of treatment would you recommend me buy first? Later on?
Thanks and stay Frickin'!
Why on earth would you even do that to a snare drum? It's supposed to be a bright, open and melodic sounding drum. It's constructed with an even and straight bearing edge so that you get an even and consistent sound. By giving it unbalanced tension, you may as well just have a badly made, wonky drum. Not only that, but it kills the unique character of the drum and sounds more like hitting a dustbin.
ikr. why would you want to kill the ring?
@@DannyGadish Being a killer myself, I understand that not everybody got instincts like me. If I can pop, I don't need ring - simple as that.
If you haven't already done so, care to share some camera and lens recommendations?
4:19 that riff is siiick, kinda reminds me of underground skramz :)
i fell off my throne after the last joke. Touché man.
I found that running video at the same time you commented on it :-) I have tried the technique a few times for live use with some horrible backline snare drums I have had to mix out on the road over the past few months. It's saved the show for me. Nothing kills a mix worse than shitty sounding drums. The ripples freak the drummer out and he wants to tune them out all the time. ;-) Like I always say, mix with your ears not your eyes. Or in the drummers case listen with your ears not your eyes ;-)
Glenn I love all of your videos, especially the ones focusing on drum tones. I was wondering if you actually had a favorite type of snare that you prefer recording more than others.
Hey Glenn, I know you're pretty keen on the Drum Dial for drum tuning but I was wondering if you've ever used the Evan's Tune-Bot Frequency Drum Tuner? If so, what are your thoughts on it?