that johammer is ugly as hell. It looks like an insect with those stuppid mirrors, so it only need red paint and white dots, and then sell it to little girls.
Well, but they did win the Red Dot Design Award in 2016, for product design. It's unconventional and not usually accepted by true motorcycle enthusiasts.
My Zero SR is perfect for my 25 mile round trip daily commute to work. I ride rain or shine, and only put it up for icy roads here in Michigan. If I wanted to do a longer trip It would make more sense at this time to have an ICE bike, but for everyday use, even to the grocery store, The SR does the trick.
Same here. I drive the DSR since april 2016, and i use it for everything exept for the long trips. I commute, go shopping, take my kids (one at the time) for many trips around. I could have the type 2 charger, but i bought a second bike (gas) instead for the long trips ( a 91 Honda Transalp (same price)). But i miss my DSR going on the long trips. The DSR is about 10-20 times cheaper to use then a petrol/diesel car (in Norway) and needs nearly no maintenence (no engine service at all) . After 3 years and close to 20000km the battery is even better then new, going about minimum of 130km (fully rigged with to persons in about 110km/h) to 230km (3 emty Givies and 1 person in 70km/h) with a average of 170km. It always puts a big smile between my ears 😁.
I like the FXS. The price and performance are highly competitive with gas bikes. Specially "twist and go", like the Honda automatic bikes or maxi-scooters, and in torque it smokes them all. I have Zero dealership just 3 miles from my house. No need to pre-order some bike from Europe I've never tested. Batteries in the FXS are easily exchangeable, so you can have an extra full battery waiting at home, and you can ride again in 2 minutes. When I can afford it I will get one, no question.
I'm sorry but putting "Pre-Order" bikes on this list is BS. I own a Zero SR and one of the primary reasons I bought it is because it's been out for years. Zero struggled through some initial issues and now has a reliable, fun bike that you can actually own. Many a electric motorcycle companies have never gotten out of the "pre-order" or "coming soon" phase and others have shipped bikes only to be crushed by the issues of having bikes in the real world. Zero, Alta and Victory are the only ones with real world products. Alta makes the best hardcore off road bike. Zero makes the best street and mild off road bike. Victory makes a bike that is slower, cost more, has less range, requires gear shifting, and requires more maintenance.
I understand your idea but I also wanted to show that the electric motorcycle market is growing and the manufacturers that managed to bring their products to the "pre-order" stage deserve at least some credit. If I didn't include them I'm sure that someone would blame me for posting outdated information.
Fair enough but comparing real world specs to promised specs is misleading. I'm not old but old enough to have been let down by manufactures over promising what they can deliver.
A motorcycle that isn't in actual production isn't one a person can buy. Until they are actually handing their motorcycles to customers they aren't real.
Love electric bikes but the only worry is there is no noise and as such it is already dangerous for riders with normal motors as car drivers are saying not seeing them in a crash even if you wear hi vis clothing.
you have to ride like your invisible, and you assume they never see you, it makes you a better rider, which means watch where you are about to be and be ready on the brakes and not talking on your helmet mic
Zero 2016 SR owner here. Love the bike. But the specs (in the video) are off. Charging at home is ~nine hours. Yes, you can charge to 85% in one hour -- if you have a few thousand extra to spend on after market chargers. Makes me wonder about their stated specs about the other bikes. BTW, the SR is a fantastic bike. Real-world range: 100 miles @ 55 mph; up to 150 miles, if you're on the backroads and not being too aggressive. Either way, it's loads of fun! Maintenance costs are far lower than in ICE bike. Equivalent "miles per gallon" is something like 400.
Uuuggg this guy, however I am glad you are responding because it helps me to clarify ITS NOT FOR POWER per say, but rather to help charge or keep the battery charged longer. Depending on the placement of the "turbine" so I agree there would be a little more drag the benefits would outweigh the cost! If your not getting it after this then we are not seeing the same picture
I know this reply is kinda late but I think those prices are reasonable. Not in the sense that I would pay $40k for a motorcycle but that the companies need to do a lot of research themselfes and probably wont sell a lot of electric bikes so they kind of are reliant on someone buying overpriced motorcycles in order for them to be able to build new models.
@BroToPro that's acrually not really true. Right now an electric car is as expensive to charge as a petrol car, depending on where you live petrol might even be cheaper
@max That is simply not true. The Tesla model S' battery, for instance, has a 90 kwh battery for 500km of range, which, supposing a 0.20$/kwh electricity fee ( which is extremely high, even for the US) would end up costing you 3.60$/100km. Your average compact hybrid consumes 4.6L/100km, which, assuming a 1.00$/L fuel cost (lower than current price), would end up costing your 4.6$/100km. So even with the most conservative estimates, the electric vehicle would cost less to drive than a petroleum car, and that is, keep in mind, comparing what is pretty much a supercar to a compact hybrid. Let's also not forget the lower maintenance fee you would benefit from owning an electric car.
Beautiful bikes. I already have DIY and restored ones though. Cheaper for me. And vintage items that are hybridized for more superior performance. Have some conversion and restoration homework now of a lambretta and vespa. Cheaper than buying those beauties in the video.
The only one worth anything is the Zero SR. I just test rode a Zero SR and a DS, and I left with... wait for it.... ZERO complaints! I was blown away by the torque of the SR, and I will probably be buying a DSR within the next year.
I would say 2 years. All of the technology is already available, it is just that there have not been a big company or a successful start up to come in and change the game. Plus maybe bikers are too hardcore and dont want to abandon their noisy gasoline motorcycles
I ride a sv650 v twin and i love the sound, it is part of the fun of riding a bike. I like your optimism but 2 years is a short time, look at cars and that market is huge.
Tesla has already surpassed both Ford and GM in market value, so it has already happened for the cars, motorcycles and planes are next. Maybe manufacturers will come up with a sound system to make up for silent e-motors so that you will still be able to enjoy the sound? But noise pollution is also one of the problems of our big cities, so I still prefer silent bikes.
I just love riding so if the bike is comfortable and handles well I am happy. For me riding is a peaceful relaxing experience. The freedom and enjoyment make it practically a religious experience for me.
yeah and that whole worlds fastest bike thing is not true, the reason most bikes don't go over 200 mph is an old gentlemens agreement among the manufacturers. The Hayabusa does way more just by reprogramming the computer.
Joseph If you mean for riding on the track or short distance sure, only an idiot rides those bikes for commuting long periods of time. Zero has some damn good bikes, own a DSR myself, and I can't say anyone has ever not liked the clean look of a Zero. In fact more people are turned off by the bulky racing bikes if anything.
The specs on some of these are getting very close to, if not actually quite there with what I would use for my Greater Bay Area travels. What's missing from all of these models shown is the ability to carry stuff. Still waiting for someone to show me an electric moto in sport touring configuration: with a topcase that can hold two full-face helmets (or bags of groceries) and side bags that can hold at least a weekend's worth of street clothes, possibly rain gear & whatever stuff I might need. With a real-world range, fully loaded, that can get me from San Francisco to Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa or Sacramento for a weekend trip (where I can charge up where I'm staying for the return trip), or round-trip down Skyline to Alice's then out to the coast and back on Hwy 1 with just the topcase and maybe city bags. And a full fairing with (preferably adjustable) windscreen for comfort and aerodynamic efficiency at speed. Once I see something like that for sale, I'm on it. As it is, I'm fixing to sell my latest BMW RT (a 2007 model, the latest of at least half a dozen I've bought, new and used, over the last ~25 years) and rent for the 2-3 trips/year I take out of the Bay Area - one to the Pacific Northwest, one to Southern California, and usually another to Fresno or another mid-state location - understanding that battery range will need to get a lot longer and and charging speed will need to get a lot quicker before they'll do for a long road trip. The cost of ownership isn't worth keeping a moto like that in the garage, and with rental, I can try different makes and models. But I'd really like to have an electric moto for local riding. It's getting close enough I can almost taste it. I can hardly wait...
Thanks. I've looked there. The largest available topcase doesn't seem quite big enough (again, I'm spoiled by my BMW RT); there's no picture available of the hard side bags, but they might do. I'd want to do a test ride with either or both of the available road-type windscreens at speed to judge whether they'll do.
You might as well contact your local dealership to see if other accessories are available or contact Zero directly and ask whether they are planning to expand their product range.
I've finally gone to a Zero dealer and it does appear that they're able to accept various sizes of Givi etc. bags. I guess I'm so used to my BMW RT with its custom-fitted bags that I didn't even think about aftermarket accessories. I still would like a custom-fitted sport-tourer-style fairing with electrically adjustable windscreen, designed for maximum aerodynamic efficiency. It wouldn't bother me if they doubled the battery size/weight either if it would increase the range, as I'm used to a heavy bike.
Lacama and Zero SR are very nice. Zero SR starts around 16k but you want the 22k model, and the Lacama starts at 38k. ;/ they are both nice but Zero SR looks to be the nicest for your money.
Right now Zero doesn't have many competitors in their price range. On one hand, it's great that they were able to make such a great product for such price, on the other, new competitors could always stimulate the progress in this niche.
As long as the prices are that high I will buy a gasoline bike: I only need a small one for city commute (my current bike, 125CC is more than enough for the round the clock slow traffic and dangerously bad roads) and with the the price difference I can get way more than two years worth of petrol. I can take a standard gas bike into any garage and they know how to fix it and spare parts are widely available. Ergo, electric bikes are going to be luxury vehicles for many years to come, especially as long as manufacturers don't think people in the market for their first bike.
I am pretty sure that this comes as quite a surprise to many of our viewers. It is hard to believe that the fastest motorcycle is electric since many electric cars are rather slow
hola saludos desde la selva del peru ucyali agradezco este vídeo es muy educativo y una alternativa a tener motos ecológicas y movidas con energía renovable y cuidando nuestro habitad
Yep you forgot to mention the tork tx6 from India which looks very promising and could pretty much take the low cost market, I believe the price is around 3000 dollars. Also it's a shame Vectrix ain't around anymore, but that's what usually happens to the first on the market unless they really have their product together.
Thanks for the suggestion. I have written down an idea for the video and plan to make a quick overview of the most affordable electric bikes. Hope I get a chance to finish it too and I'm pretty sure I'll feature tork tx6.
This is true though I'm not sure what they are waiting for, though I heard tale of them making a tork tx7, which is great except we ain't had 6 yet so why not get 6 on the market then upgrade to 7. Strange how companies work even in India. Look at Vectrix all they needed to do for the most part is fix the battery problem, the scooters were fine, it has taken people who bought the bike to work on it to find a credible alternative, very strange, why couldn't vectrix do that.
Zero SR Specs were inaccurate. 70 HP. 116 FT LBS of torque. Top speed 104. 212 MILES RANGE. They offer an extended tank that gives you the most distance. The best bike on the roster
I will take a look at my notes but I double check all the specifications that I use in video with official data. Zero, however, has many specifications to choose from, maybe we are referring to different products?
Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews Those are the specs for the Zero S. Their bikes also have digital clusters and a phone app that allows you to control motor functions. If I'm not mistaken those are old specs
You have to take all electric bike range claims with a very large pinch of salt and a very small throttle opening! In my (considerable) experience you might achieve half the claimed maximum range if you ride normally out of town. In town, 100 miles plus is certainly achievable.
Some of these are quite nice, but their price tags cannot be justified. No wonder I haven't seen any of these on the road, except for Zero bikes, which are fairly priced for what it offers, imo.
Brutus 2 is nice but that price is brutal. Lighting 218 is fast but with that price all you going to hear is thunderous complaints. $77k for a e-motorcycle is ridiculously crazy. You can buy both a car and truck and come out cheaper in my opinion.
You are right but the industry is constantly developing. There is a newer video on this topic, you may watch it here: ruclips.net/video/o_yLKbYaATU/видео.html
Well.. affordable bikes right, full electric -save money on gas right ?. Let's say lighting bike -supersport. $38K whooaa. For example - Ducati 1299 Panigale is around $21K (new). Tank range around 100 miles, so for 30K miles,let's say 10K per year = 3ys, current prices = around $6300 for 30K miles. So $21k + $6300 = $27300 ... well for this money, new sexy bike and 3ys of gas. I really think the time for electrical bikes will come soon, but not yet.
I have recently made a video about affordable electric motorcycles recently. You can check how much this market segment has evolved over the past year.
Bikes obviously don’t travel 300 kms per tank. I used to have a Ducati and the max I would get is 175 to 200 kms. But cars usually do get between 300 to 400 kms per tank before refuelling. If it’s only city driving then it’s fine but some people do travel by highway. In time with greater development of batteries we will get there.
Eventually the manufacturers will find a way to serve those, who need to go to the highway. There are several ways to solve the issue: more charging stations, better or bigger batteries, or batteries that could be easily replaced/rented, etc.
Wait a sec... you said the funky bug looking bike was first to market with an "affordable" E-cycle with good range, but we know that's not even remotely true. Especially affordability! Johammer has only been around since 2014 and their offering is not only significantly more expensive, but has less range and is far less practical than something like the Zero SR you featured. And less stylish IMO. And the fact that it has a hub motor means it has serious practical limitations, acceleration and longevity being the two big ones. And the cantilever front swingarm leads to bizarre handling. You can even see the people in the video struggling a little in corners, unable to maintain a consistent line. Zero by comparison has been around since before 2006 and has spearheaded pretty much all major R&D for E-cycles. Half of their offerings already well exceed the Johammer in terms of range and have done since at least 2013. And even the wiz-bang brand new Zero S and Zero SR are $10,000 less expensive. Feels like with the Johammer you're paying for funky fake-retro Eruopean styling.
i never meant to underestimate Zero Motorcycles. That is why I included two of their bikes on the list. They have the best electric lineup among all the manufacturers and there is a phrase, where I say that Zero SR offers the best performance for the money. Speaking of Johammer J1, personally I think that they managed to attract the most of the public attention to the developments in the electric motorcycle segment.
I have no issue with you understating or overstating Zero, what I took issue with was the incorrect statements right at the very beginning of the video misrepresenting Johammer's range and affordability. At 26 grand it is far from 'affordable'. At 93 or 124 mile range, it's not the best, it's not the worst. And I think we're going to disagree on Johammer attracting attention. Zero's been around since 2006 and has been to countless public events. They have their products used for police departments, security and search and rescue. Ask anyone in to motorcycles, "Say the first name you think of when you think Electric Motorcycle" and I'd put a buck on them saying Zero. With all kind and due respect, Zero should be in the #1 spot. :)
The bikes are not ranked in any way. All of them are added in a random order. So, I was 100% sure, when I said that Zero SR is the best bike for the money. But there are many people, who wouldn't agree with me. There is no universal bike that would be "best" for everyone. That is why there are so many of them out there.
The higher purchase price is offset but the minimal maintenance costs. But if cars are any indicator, you'll need a new battery in 5 or so years. Shouldn't get a used one and are you going to risk a new one from Ebay? My 1978 CB750 still runs like it's new.
"Like it's new" is a brave statement, considering that the motor is 50 years old. Yes, the battery is the only weak link in any electric transport but the technology is getting better year after year. So lets assume that you will have to replace a battery pack in 5 years, you will be probably getting a better one, that will have better range too. How does that sound?
Why do most electric bikes need to be so expensive? Technology looks so much more simple than the conventional motorbikes including their current day IMU electronics.
Because they are not yet mass market, until the mid 1920's cars were very much a thing only for the more well heeled in society, we will have to wait for the next Henry Ford or Herbert Austin or Bill Durant to do the mass market thing.
With all due immodesty I recommend a reading of my 6-page feature on the uprated BMW C evolution Plus in the August 2017 issue of Autovolt magazine! www.autovolt-magazine.com
Until any electric vehicle be it car or motorcycle become more affordable it won’t sell in great numbers. Range also needs to improve. For it to really compete both price and range need to improve
@@automotiveterritory I have looked at many electric bikes and will consider one. But only as an around town or a novelty until range and places to charge come more readily available. If you run out of electric, you can't walk to get a gallon of electric.
If an electric vehicle can get similar range in miles (kilometres) as a car eg: 300 to 400 kms then that would be an appropriate range. Few if any that I know haven’t attained that yet. I think in a few years once development has improved we will see that. The of course prices also need to match internal combustion engine vehicles as well. Given time they may get there soon
Awesome bikes , i love electric but Lithium mining has tones of emissions so theyre not zero emissions. Still less than gas which is is great but not zero.
9:20 "as the topspeed is impressive 150mph" Sure, 150mph is a lot but honestly, almost every 1000cc Sport bike (S1000RR, GSXR 1000, H2, R1...) can reach around 200mph which is quite a lot more.
Since the technology is still emerging, we still want to give electric bikes a pass. Maybe in a few years being electric wont be an excuse for the weaker performance. But did you get to see the Lightning Motorcycle? It is the fastest on the planet and it is electric
Sorry to say this but these motor cycles should have half the range of electric cars surly. That means around 200 miles at top speed as most top electric cars now can do 400 miles on a charge. So to me these bikes have it wrong still.
Zero emission means that the product, an electric motor, does not produce any emissions. Gas-powered vehicles use almost the same components, as electric ones. So it's the battle between a vehicle that makes emissions, when in use. No one is talking about the manufacturing process.
Cell phone batteries use a similar manufacturing process, gas production is not less hazardous but I don't see anyone mentioning it. Electric vehicles are zero emission but it should be noted that they are only less polluting than other vehicles. This will remain an issue until recycling process becomes more efficient.
Ow, it's much cooler actually! Every couple of days, I have gasoline riders trying to race me and my Zero on their loud and annoying bikes, and they fail miserably every time! ;)
Battery keeners? Seriously, for the bike people, there's nothing like the no-shift torque of an electric motorbike. No left limbs needed. Sprocket changes are direct throughout the range. "Range" might come to mean mileage. I watched a vid of a very tally sprocketed small batteried Lightening do 400km/h on a lakebed. I would not likely use that sprocket, nor battery on a roader often, but who knows? Flaking off cagers with a zero-60 as fast as it keeps two wheels down would be interesting, though...
You missed the Evoke Urban S. They are taking preorders for $200 down and a total price under $10,000 with distribution starting in the US in July. I had the fun of driving one recently, ruclips.net/video/-fRvdweW8vg/видео.html. They have project Kuruzer due out this summer.
I will try to do some research for you. But I think it could be better to pick the bike you like the most and ask the manufacturer directly about the availability.
Great video with an interesting assortment of bikes, but the narration made it really hard to watch. Was that an accent or a robot voice? I honestly couldn't tell.
The engineers decided not to use a conventional design/shape of a motorcycle and chose to rebuild the whole thing from scratch. I will paste here a link to the manufacturer's website where you can read additional info about the reasons why this construction was used. Thank you for being with Automotive Territory! johammer.com/en/electric-motorcycle/
Yep. The weight distribution of an electric motorcycle is different from the ICE, so it could be a solution for better handling. But hard to say, since only 2 manufacturers (at least that we know of)have used this construction, and they could be claiming progress just to make additional sales in the short term.
Hub centre steering goes right back to the very successful Neracar of the 1920s. Jack Difazio was a pioneer in England from the mid-50s, as was Bob Tait in the mid-70s and Royce Creasey in the late 1980s, all before the advent of the flawed but partially successful Bimota Tesi. Difazio and Tait designs are fitted to several of the FF machines featured in this Top Gear item which I wrote and presented back in 1988: ruclips.net/video/k7VvD7SYzJs/видео.html
I need a bike that can reach up to 600 miles in a single charge with super fast charging less than 30 minutes for full battery charge and speed of atleast of 150 mile/hr. Is there any e-bike like that?
You are setting unrealistic standards. Why would you need 600 miles of range? Batteries like this don't exist, if they did, we'd all have cell phones that last for weeks, not days.
The only bike that I liked was Zero SR.....Nice yet affordable!
that and the ego imo. The Zero's beat their competition on value by a huge margin
Shiv Chauhan I love my Zero SR. Fast, quiet, and small for lane splitting. Makes trips around town for errands a real gas free pleasure.
Shiv Chauhan I love the Ego. Drove it severel times. way cooler then the Zeros. But yea, bit mor expensive.
Andreas That's why I like Zero... Value for money!
I've owned a Zero S since 2014. It is a trouble free bike that just keeps on going. And fun, lots of fun.
When the hell did a $26,000 become "affordable"?
I may be missing something, so let me ask you directly: when did I say that these bikes were affordable to the general public?
You said the motorcycle was affordable. Who calls a luxury vehicle affordable?
Naveen Kumar well Teslas cost $100k so comparably it's cheap...
check @32s....man it must've taken forever to find it's so deep in the video
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that johammer is ugly as hell. It looks like an insect with those stuppid mirrors, so it only need
red paint and white dots, and then sell it to little girls.
Well, but they did win the Red Dot Design Award in 2016, for product design. It's unconventional and not usually accepted by true motorcycle enthusiasts.
ugly as those prius car. they should make themin the shape of older popular cars. bikes too. make electric bikes like the panigale range. woot.
3DPeter Also slow as hell. 0-62 in 8 seconds is slower than most minivans.
Who where in the jury? the type of mental handicapted who spend their entire life wearing dypers
and make strange noises and drool al the time?
What a joke then. I like electric bikes, but they must be at least faster than most
gas powered ones.
My Zero SR is perfect for my 25 mile round trip daily commute to work. I ride rain or shine, and only put it up for icy roads here in Michigan. If I wanted to do a longer trip It would make more sense at this time to have an ICE bike, but for everyday use, even to the grocery store, The SR does the trick.
Same here. I drive the DSR since april 2016, and i use it for everything exept for the long trips. I commute, go shopping, take my kids (one at the time) for many trips around. I could have the type 2 charger, but i bought a second bike (gas) instead for the long trips ( a 91 Honda Transalp (same price)). But i miss my DSR going on the long trips. The DSR is about 10-20 times cheaper to use then a petrol/diesel car (in Norway) and needs nearly no maintenence (no engine service at all) . After 3 years and close to 20000km the battery is even better then new, going about minimum of 130km (fully rigged with to persons in about 110km/h) to 230km (3 emty Givies and 1 person in 70km/h) with a average of 170km. It always puts a big smile between my ears 😁.
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I like the FXS. The price and performance are highly competitive with gas bikes. Specially "twist and go", like the Honda automatic bikes or maxi-scooters, and in torque it smokes them all.
I have Zero dealership just 3 miles from my house. No need to pre-order some bike from Europe I've never tested. Batteries in the FXS are easily exchangeable, so you can have an extra full battery waiting at home, and you can ride again in 2 minutes. When I can afford it I will get one, no question.
I'm sorry but putting "Pre-Order" bikes on this list is BS. I own a Zero SR and one of the primary reasons I bought it is because it's been out for years. Zero struggled through some initial issues and now has a reliable, fun bike that you can actually own. Many a electric motorcycle companies have never gotten out of the "pre-order" or "coming soon" phase and others have shipped bikes only to be crushed by the issues of having bikes in the real world. Zero, Alta and Victory are the only ones with real world products. Alta makes the best hardcore off road bike. Zero makes the best street and mild off road bike. Victory makes a bike that is slower, cost more, has less range, requires gear shifting, and requires more maintenance.
I understand your idea but I also wanted to show that the electric motorcycle market is growing and the manufacturers that managed to bring their products to the "pre-order" stage deserve at least some credit. If I didn't include them I'm sure that someone would blame me for posting outdated information.
Fair enough but comparing real world specs to promised specs is misleading. I'm not old but old enough to have been let down by manufactures over promising what they can deliver.
A motorcycle that isn't in actual production isn't one a person can buy. Until they are actually handing their motorcycles to customers they aren't real.
Zero SR with Charge Tank (J1772) is really an ultimate combination! Decent range and fast charging, makes the whole thing a minor inconvenience.
Love electric bikes but the only worry is there is no noise and as such it is already dangerous for riders with normal motors as car drivers are saying not seeing them in a crash even if you wear hi vis clothing.
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Turn the radio WAY UP LOUD
you have to ride like your invisible, and you assume they never see you, it makes you a better rider, which means watch where you are about to be and be ready on the brakes and not talking on your helmet mic
People don't even hear sirens blue. Ride like everyone is deaf
Wow. The Lito has a panoramic sunroof!
Ha, good one. I guess I turned off the wrong text layer, sorry about that.
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I agree with you, zero sr takes it
Zero 2016 SR owner here. Love the bike. But the specs (in the video) are off. Charging at home is ~nine hours. Yes, you can charge to 85% in one hour -- if you have a few thousand extra to spend on after market chargers. Makes me wonder about their stated specs about the other bikes.
BTW, the SR is a fantastic bike. Real-world range: 100 miles @ 55 mph; up to 150 miles, if you're on the backroads and not being too aggressive. Either way, it's loads of fun! Maintenance costs are far lower than in ICE bike. Equivalent "miles per gallon" is something like 400.
Uuuggg this guy, however I am glad you are responding because it helps me to clarify ITS NOT FOR POWER per say, but rather to help charge or keep the battery charged longer. Depending on the placement of the "turbine" so I agree there would be a little more drag the benefits would outweigh the cost! If your not getting it after this then we are not seeing the same picture
Zero is the only company that has a chance in the market, options starting at 8k and top out at 15k is actually on point with the current bike market.
These prices are ri-di-cu-lous.
I know this reply is kinda late but I think those prices are reasonable. Not in the sense that I would pay $40k for a motorcycle but that the companies need to do a lot of research themselfes and probably wont sell a lot of electric bikes so they kind of are reliant on someone buying overpriced motorcycles in order for them to be able to build new models.
the zero sr is worth it as you will spend jack shit on fuel and electric is way cheaper to charge
@BroToPro that's acrually not really true. Right now an electric car is as expensive to charge as a petrol car, depending on where you live petrol might even be cheaper
@max That is simply not true. The Tesla model S' battery, for instance, has a 90 kwh battery for 500km of range, which, supposing a 0.20$/kwh electricity fee ( which is extremely high, even for the US) would end up costing you 3.60$/100km. Your average compact hybrid consumes 4.6L/100km, which, assuming a 1.00$/L fuel cost (lower than current price), would end up costing your 4.6$/100km. So even with the most conservative estimates, the electric vehicle would cost less to drive than a petroleum car, and that is, keep in mind, comparing what is pretty much a supercar to a compact hybrid.
Let's also not forget the lower maintenance fee you would benefit from owning an electric car.
i'm agree with you..
Beautiful bikes. I already have DIY and restored ones though. Cheaper for me. And vintage items that are hybridized for more superior performance. Have some conversion and restoration homework now of a lambretta and vespa. Cheaper than buying those beauties in the video.
The only one worth anything is the Zero SR.
I just test rode a Zero SR and a DS, and I left with... wait for it.... ZERO complaints! I was blown away by the torque of the SR, and I will probably be buying a DSR within the next year.
Are these bikes convincing enough to make you switch from gas to electric?
Almost, give it 5 more years. High speed charging and a solid 200mile range for around 10k will make E motorcycles a viable alternative.
I would say 2 years. All of the technology is already available, it is just that there have not been a big company or a successful start up to come in and change the game. Plus maybe bikers are too hardcore and dont want to abandon their noisy gasoline motorcycles
I ride a sv650 v twin and i love the sound, it is part of the fun of riding a bike. I like your optimism but 2 years is a short time, look at cars and that market is huge.
Tesla has already surpassed both Ford and GM in market value, so it has already happened for the cars, motorcycles and planes are next. Maybe manufacturers will come up with a sound system to make up for silent e-motors so that you will still be able to enjoy the sound? But noise pollution is also one of the problems of our big cities, so I still prefer silent bikes.
Leike Gielen i used to own a 2005 Suzuki dl650 vstrom and that didn't get 200 miles of range
You forgot to mention the ZEV range of bikes, top speed 93mph but most importantly, top range of 300km (180miles)! zelectricvehicle.com/22.html
If you want a good chuckle look at the police model
I just love riding so if the bike is comfortable and handles well I am happy. For me riding is a peaceful relaxing experience. The freedom and enjoyment make it practically a religious experience for me.
Lighting 218 is my next bucket list toy... Wow!
That's one great choice!
I hope we will see more bikes like the Ego and LS218
The Ego and the Lightning 218 are the only ones that look decent enough to even ride...
But that price...
yeah and that whole worlds fastest bike thing is not true, the reason most bikes don't go over 200 mph is an old gentlemens agreement among the manufacturers. The Hayabusa does way more just by reprogramming the computer.
Joseph If you mean for riding on the track or short distance sure, only an idiot rides those bikes for commuting long periods of time. Zero has some damn good bikes, own a DSR myself, and I can't say anyone has ever not liked the clean look of a Zero. In fact more people are turned off by the bulky racing bikes if anything.
Lightning 218 went belly up in 2015!!!
Their still taking preorders on the website but havent talked about the bike in years, it is weird.
The specs on some of these are getting very close to, if not actually quite there with what I would use for my Greater Bay Area travels.
What's missing from all of these models shown is the ability to carry stuff. Still waiting for someone to show me an electric moto in sport touring configuration: with a topcase that can hold two full-face helmets (or bags of groceries) and side bags that can hold at least a weekend's worth of street clothes, possibly rain gear & whatever stuff I might need. With a real-world range, fully loaded, that can get me from San Francisco to Santa Cruz, Santa Rosa or Sacramento for a weekend trip (where I can charge up where I'm staying for the return trip), or round-trip down Skyline to Alice's then out to the coast and back on Hwy 1 with just the topcase and maybe city bags. And a full fairing with (preferably adjustable) windscreen for comfort and aerodynamic efficiency at speed.
Once I see something like that for sale, I'm on it. As it is, I'm fixing to sell my latest BMW RT (a 2007 model, the latest of at least half a dozen I've bought, new and used, over the last ~25 years) and rent for the 2-3 trips/year I take out of the Bay Area - one to the Pacific Northwest, one to Southern California, and usually another to Fresno or another mid-state location - understanding that battery range will need to get a lot longer and and charging speed will need to get a lot quicker before they'll do for a long road trip. The cost of ownership isn't worth keeping a moto like that in the garage, and with rental, I can try different makes and models. But I'd really like to have an electric moto for local riding.
It's getting close enough I can almost taste it. I can hardly wait...
Zero Motorcycles have a special online shop for extra accessories, maybe you'll be able to find anything you need there?
Thanks. I've looked there. The largest available topcase doesn't seem quite big enough (again, I'm spoiled by my BMW RT); there's no picture available of the hard side bags, but they might do. I'd want to do a test ride with either or both of the available road-type windscreens at speed to judge whether they'll do.
You might as well contact your local dealership to see if other accessories are available or contact Zero directly and ask whether they are planning to expand their product range.
What's stopping a person from putting saddlebags on their electric motorcycle?
I've finally gone to a Zero dealer and it does appear that they're able to accept various sizes of Givi etc. bags. I guess I'm so used to my BMW RT with its custom-fitted bags that I didn't even think about aftermarket accessories.
I still would like a custom-fitted sport-tourer-style fairing with electrically adjustable windscreen, designed for maximum aerodynamic efficiency. It wouldn't bother me if they doubled the battery size/weight either if it would increase the range, as I'm used to a heavy bike.
I learned at lot from this video
Glad to be useful. Please come back for more interesting content about electric vehicles and more
I don't think I could enjoy a silent bike. I twitch the throttle on my street triple r just to hear roar. It's a large part of the experience
some harleys could wake up the dead i swear
lightning ls 218 is the cheapest when looking at the price to performance ratio
Cannot but agree. Do you know how than company is doing lately? They have been out of the media spotlight.
Lacama and Zero SR are very nice. Zero SR starts around 16k but you want the 22k model, and the Lacama starts at 38k. ;/ they are both nice but Zero SR looks to be the nicest for your money.
Right now Zero doesn't have many competitors in their price range. On one hand, it's great that they were able to make such a great product for such price, on the other, new competitors could always stimulate the progress in this niche.
As long as the prices are that high I will buy a gasoline bike: I only need a small one for city commute (my current bike, 125CC is more than enough for the round the clock slow traffic and dangerously bad roads) and with the the price difference I can get way more than two years worth of petrol. I can take a standard gas bike into any garage and they know how to fix it and spare parts are widely available. Ergo, electric bikes are going to be luxury vehicles for many years to come, especially as long as manufacturers don't think people in the market for their first bike.
wait for the Indians to crush the market go look emflux one
Hi there. I featured the Emflux in the most recent video of mine. Check it out
ruclips.net/video/o_yLKbYaATU/видео.html
I love race bikes, it's out of this world electronic bike's can go that fast
I am pretty sure that this comes as quite a surprise to many of our viewers. It is hard to believe that the fastest motorcycle is electric since many electric cars are rather slow
hola saludos desde la selva del peru ucyali agradezco este vídeo es muy educativo y una alternativa a tener motos ecológicas y movidas con energía renovable y cuidando nuestro habitad
Yep you forgot to mention the tork tx6 from India which looks very promising and could pretty much take the low cost market, I believe the price is around 3000 dollars.
Also it's a shame Vectrix ain't around anymore, but that's what usually happens to the first on the market unless they really have their product together.
Thanks for the suggestion. I have written down an idea for the video and plan to make a quick overview of the most affordable electric bikes. Hope I get a chance to finish it too and I'm pretty sure I'll feature tork tx6.
It's no in production yet.
This is true though I'm not sure what they are waiting for, though I heard tale of them making a tork tx7, which is great except we ain't had 6 yet so why not get 6 on the market then upgrade to 7.
Strange how companies work even in India.
Look at Vectrix all they needed to do for the most part is fix the battery problem, the scooters were fine, it has taken people who bought the bike to work on it to find a credible alternative, very strange, why couldn't vectrix do that.
Future of the bikes
I wouldn't be surprised if Polaris brought out a new Empulse TT under their own branding since they're already selling the Slingshot
Zero SR Specs were inaccurate. 70 HP. 116 FT LBS of torque. Top speed 104. 212 MILES RANGE. They offer an extended tank that gives you the most distance. The best bike on the roster
I will take a look at my notes but I double check all the specifications that I use in video with official data. Zero, however, has many specifications to choose from, maybe we are referring to different products?
Automotive Territory: Trending News & Car Reviews Those are the specs for the Zero S. Their bikes also have digital clusters and a phone app that allows you to control motor functions. If I'm not mistaken those are old specs
You have to take all electric bike range claims with a very large pinch of salt and a very small throttle opening! In my (considerable) experience you might achieve half the claimed maximum range if you ride normally out of town. In town, 100 miles plus is certainly achievable.
Some of these are quite nice, but their price tags cannot be justified. No wonder I haven't seen any of these on the road, except for Zero bikes, which are fairly priced for what it offers, imo.
Brutus 2 is nice but that price is brutal. Lighting 218 is fast but with that price all you going to hear is thunderous complaints. $77k for a e-motorcycle is ridiculously crazy. You can buy both a car and truck and come out cheaper in my opinion.
You are right but the industry is constantly developing. There is a newer video on this topic, you may watch it here: ruclips.net/video/o_yLKbYaATU/видео.html
I like the idea of electric bikes. There is one things worries me. Because they are quiet. It’s already dangerous riding around London.
They are quiet but they do make noise. It's different though.
Theo best electric motocycles show
Out of all those, the best is Zero FXS for the value of the money. But, i personally still a little hesitant, yet.
They seem like great motorcycles indeed. I will be featuring more motos from Zero in the future episodes. You are always welcome back to my channel!
Well.. affordable bikes right, full electric -save money on gas right ?. Let's say lighting bike -supersport. $38K whooaa.
For example - Ducati 1299 Panigale is around $21K (new). Tank range around 100 miles, so for 30K miles,let's say 10K per year = 3ys, current prices = around $6300 for 30K miles. So $21k + $6300 = $27300 ... well for this money, new sexy bike and 3ys of gas. I really think the time for electrical bikes will come soon, but not yet.
I have recently made a video about affordable electric motorcycles recently. You can check how much this market segment has evolved over the past year.
Bikes obviously don’t travel 300 kms per tank. I used to have a Ducati and the max I would get is 175 to 200 kms. But cars usually do get between 300 to 400 kms per tank before refuelling. If it’s only city driving then it’s fine but some people do travel by highway. In time with greater development of batteries we will get there.
Eventually the manufacturers will find a way to serve those, who need to go to the highway. There are several ways to solve the issue: more charging stations, better or bigger batteries, or batteries that could be easily replaced/rented, etc.
Wait a sec... you said the funky bug looking bike was first to market with an "affordable" E-cycle with good range, but we know that's not even remotely true. Especially affordability! Johammer has only been around since 2014 and their offering is not only significantly more expensive, but has less range and is far less practical than something like the Zero SR you featured. And less stylish IMO. And the fact that it has a hub motor means it has serious practical limitations, acceleration and longevity being the two big ones. And the cantilever front swingarm leads to bizarre handling. You can even see the people in the video struggling a little in corners, unable to maintain a consistent line.
Zero by comparison has been around since before 2006 and has spearheaded pretty much all major R&D for E-cycles. Half of their offerings already well exceed the Johammer in terms of range and have done since at least 2013. And even the wiz-bang brand new Zero S and Zero SR are $10,000 less expensive. Feels like with the Johammer you're paying for funky fake-retro Eruopean styling.
i never meant to underestimate Zero Motorcycles. That is why I included two of their bikes on the list. They have the best electric lineup among all the manufacturers and there is a phrase, where I say that Zero SR offers the best performance for the money. Speaking of Johammer J1, personally I think that they managed to attract the most of the public attention to the developments in the electric motorcycle segment.
I have no issue with you understating or overstating Zero, what I took issue with was the incorrect statements right at the very beginning of the video misrepresenting Johammer's range and affordability. At 26 grand it is far from 'affordable'. At 93 or 124 mile range, it's not the best, it's not the worst.
And I think we're going to disagree on Johammer attracting attention. Zero's been around since 2006 and has been to countless public events. They have their products used for police departments, security and search and rescue. Ask anyone in to motorcycles, "Say the first name you think of when you think Electric Motorcycle" and I'd put a buck on them saying Zero. With all kind and due respect, Zero should be in the #1 spot. :)
The bikes are not ranked in any way. All of them are added in a random order. So, I was 100% sure, when I said that Zero SR is the best bike for the money. But there are many people, who wouldn't agree with me. There is no universal bike that would be "best" for everyone. That is why there are so many of them out there.
The Zero fxs has a very nice price and looking. I think.
Agreed
Governments need to make more incentives to make electronic vehicles attractive to consumers
Don't they offer these already? I know many EV owners that got significant deductions on their purchases.
The higher purchase price is offset but the minimal maintenance costs. But if cars are any indicator, you'll need a new battery in 5 or so years. Shouldn't get a used one and are you going to risk a new one from Ebay? My 1978 CB750 still runs like it's new.
"Like it's new" is a brave statement, considering that the motor is 50 years old. Yes, the battery is the only weak link in any electric transport but the technology is getting better year after year. So lets assume that you will have to replace a battery pack in 5 years, you will be probably getting a better one, that will have better range too. How does that sound?
Why do most electric bikes need to be so expensive? Technology looks so much more simple than the conventional motorbikes including their current day IMU electronics.
Because they are not yet mass market, until the mid 1920's cars were very much a thing only for the more well heeled in society, we will have to wait for the next Henry Ford or Herbert Austin or Bill Durant to do the mass market thing.
Sir please develop Brutus 2 electric bike manufacturing in India, here petrol cost is very high sir
great video, very informative, thank you
Which of the bikes did you like the most?
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would you please make a video about maxi scooters (as example but not limited to) such as vectrix, ZEV and BMW C evolution...
PLZ...
That is a great idea. I had this episode in my schedule, I guess I will have to move the release date closer. Thank you for being with AT!
With all due immodesty I recommend a reading of my 6-page feature on the uprated BMW C evolution Plus in the August 2017 issue of Autovolt magazine! www.autovolt-magazine.com
Until any electric vehicle be it car or motorcycle become more affordable it won’t sell in great numbers. Range also needs to improve. For it to really compete both price and range need to improve
Different people have different needs and range requirements. How much range do you think an average person needs?
Considering the manufacturing process for the battery. It is not zero emission and in a lot of areas it's charging by coal fed power lines
No direct emissions, though... Plus many areas are already covering most of it's consumer energy needs via renewables
@@automotiveterritory I have looked at many electric bikes and will consider one. But only as an around town or a novelty until range and places to charge come more readily available. If you run out of electric, you can't walk to get a gallon of electric.
Sir please develop lightning 218 electric bike manufacturing in India, here petrol cost is very high sir
If an electric vehicle can get similar range in miles (kilometres) as a car eg: 300 to 400 kms then that would be an appropriate range. Few if any that I know haven’t attained that yet. I think in a few years once development has improved we will see that. The of course prices also need to match internal combustion engine vehicles as well. Given time they may get there soon
Isn't it a bit too much? So many batteries would make the bikes too heavy. And do you think that an average rider travels close to 300 kms a day?
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Sir please develop empulse TT electric bike manufacturing in India, here petrol cost is very high sir
Awesome bikes , i love electric but Lithium mining has tones of emissions so theyre not zero emissions. Still less than gas which is is great but not zero.
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This is the future but damn i love the past a lot
I still miss the smell of the inefficiencies of a carburetor as well as the rumble of a 396.
What do you ride these days?
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My homemade E bike top speed 100km
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Look out for New Royal Enfield Twins and The Himalayan.
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Wow super bikes!! I want to buy one.
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9:20 "as the topspeed is impressive 150mph"
Sure, 150mph is a lot but honestly, almost every 1000cc Sport bike (S1000RR, GSXR 1000, H2, R1...) can reach around 200mph which is quite a lot more.
Since the technology is still emerging, we still want to give electric bikes a pass. Maybe in a few years being electric wont be an excuse for the weaker performance. But did you get to see the Lightning Motorcycle? It is the fastest on the planet and it is electric
Sir please construct zero fxs electric bikes manufacturing plant in India
Yeah, the "hand crafted" shit will go right out the window when it reaches mass production.
All these prices make it clear that electric bikes have a long way to come.
I am planning on creating a video about the most affordable electric bikes on the market. Please come back later!
Sorry to say this but these motor cycles should have half the range of electric cars surly. That means around 200 miles at top speed as most top electric cars now can do 400 miles on a charge. So to me these bikes have it wrong still.
Imagine how much space for batteries there is under the car compared to a motorcycle.
Johammer - the official motorcycle of the Wizard of Oz
Sir please develop brutus 2 electric bike manufacture in India sir. Sir here petrol prices is very high sir
zero emission? The Lithium or LYPO batteries just grow on trees? and making aluminium is a eco work?
Zero emission means that the product, an electric motor, does not produce any emissions. Gas-powered vehicles use almost the same components, as electric ones. So it's the battle between a vehicle that makes emissions, when in use. No one is talking about the manufacturing process.
Im talking about the manufacturing process emissions.
Cell phone batteries use a similar manufacturing process, gas production is not less hazardous but I don't see anyone mentioning it. Electric vehicles are zero emission but it should be noted that they are only less polluting than other vehicles. This will remain an issue until recycling process becomes more efficient.
How do you categorize which is top? Price, specs?
If you are looking for the best value for a relatively small price, Zero Motorcycles looks like one of the best choices.
Does it feel like riding a convetional motorcycle, are they as fun?
Ow, it's much cooler actually! Every couple of days, I have gasoline riders trying to race me and my Zero on their loud and annoying bikes, and they fail miserably every time! ;)
the zero sr is amazing for the price but if i had unlimited funds i would get the ego
Great choices for the electric bikes! What about the Johammer? don't you ike it? ;)
None of these are competitive with normal bikes yet but I presume it's only a matter of time.
Lightning LS 218 - the world record holder for the motorcycle top speed.
Battery keeners? Seriously, for the bike people, there's nothing like the no-shift torque of an electric motorbike. No left limbs needed. Sprocket changes are direct throughout the range. "Range" might come to mean mileage. I watched a vid of a very tally sprocketed small batteried Lightening do 400km/h on a lakebed. I would not likely use that sprocket, nor battery on a roader often, but who knows? Flaking off cagers with a zero-60 as fast as it keeps two wheels down would be interesting, though...
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Sir please construct intro electric bikes manufacturing plant in India. sir India petrol cost is very high
You missed the Evoke Urban S. They are taking preorders for $200 down and a total price under $10,000 with distribution starting in the US in July. I had the fun of driving one recently, ruclips.net/video/-fRvdweW8vg/видео.html. They have project Kuruzer due out this summer.
Which ones (besides zero) are available in Australia?
I will try to do some research for you. But I think it could be better to pick the bike you like the most and ask the manufacturer directly about the availability.
Sadly, Zero have just decided to withdraw from the Australian market, but there are quite a few keen owners there, with a lively owners' group.
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Great video with an interesting assortment of bikes, but the narration made it really hard to watch. Was that an accent or a robot voice? I honestly couldn't tell.
This is one of my early videos, I am always trying to improve on my narration skills. Check some of the recent episodes. Glad you liked the lineup.
On the Johammer,,what is the advantage or downside of that weird fork design,anyone knows??
The engineers decided not to use a conventional design/shape of a motorcycle and chose to rebuild the whole thing from scratch. I will paste here a link to the manufacturer's website where you can read additional info about the reasons why this construction was used. Thank you for being with Automotive Territory! johammer.com/en/electric-motorcycle/
Yep. The weight distribution of an electric motorcycle is different from the ICE, so it could be a solution for better handling. But hard to say, since only 2 manufacturers (at least that we know of)have used this construction, and they could be claiming progress just to make additional sales in the short term.
Hub centre steering goes right back to the very successful Neracar of the 1920s. Jack Difazio was a pioneer in England from the mid-50s, as was Bob Tait in the mid-70s and Royce Creasey in the late 1980s, all before the advent of the flawed but partially successful Bimota Tesi. Difazio and Tait designs are fitted to several of the FF machines featured in this Top Gear item which I wrote and presented back in 1988: ruclips.net/video/k7VvD7SYzJs/видео.html
Energica have 2020 Akku Max 21.5 KWh and 107 KW Power V Max 240 km/h
Yes, they do have a new model coming out.
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How would these things do in Texas heat?
I need a bike that can reach up to 600 miles in a single charge with super fast charging less than 30 minutes for full battery charge and speed of atleast of 150 mile/hr. Is there any e-bike like that?
You are setting unrealistic standards. Why would you need 600 miles of range? Batteries like this don't exist, if they did, we'd all have cell phones that last for weeks, not days.
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