Pre-tribulation Rapture Explained: With Jimmy Evans
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- We welcomed Jimmy Evans to the show to discuss his perspective on the pretribulation versus post tribulation debate and the Rapture. Jimmy Evans is a long-time pastor, Bible teacher, and best-selling author. He is the Founder and President of XO Marriage, a ministry devoted to helping couples thrive in strong and fulfilling marriages. For 30 years, he ministered as Senior Pastor of Trinity Fellowship Church in Amarillo, Texas, where he now serves as Apostolic Elder. During his time as senior pastor the church grew from 900 to over 10,000 members. Jimmy loves mentoring pastors and helping local churches grow to reach their potential. He is a popular speaker at churches and leadership conferences across America. Jimmy has written more than 50 books including Marriage on the Rock, The Four Laws of Love, Vision Retreat Guidebook, 21 Day Inner Healing Journey, 21 Day Total Freedom Journey, and Fighting for the Soul of Your Child.
Join us as we discuss the pre trib vs post trib debate.
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Christian persecution is not God’s wrath. He keeps using these two events interchangeably. The Bible says we will face persecution just being a Christian, but we are protected from God’s wrath. The Noah and Lot argument keeps them from God’s wrath, not persecution. They had already went through persecution as faithful believers being surrounded by such evil. God gave them a way to escape his wrath.
But the tribulation is God's wrath as Christians today persecution is increasing for Christians now. When we're talking about losing a 3rd of the population 3 separate times, that wrath of God.
Absolutely - when you call Daniels 70th week “the tribulation” which the Bible does not your interpretations are skewed from that point forward which is what pretribers do.
Christianity is of Satan and was created to put people into the Lake of Fire and not to save from it.
@@dennisdeman3514 The 70th week is not referring to the church but Jacobs people the Jews who will go through the tribulation because they still reject jesus as the messiah. God allows the Jews to go thru the tribulation to humble them and so they turn to Him and he saves them. Why would God have to humble His church who have already repented and made Jesus their Lord and savior? Then you have all Christians who come out of the tribulation and are beheaded because they refused to take the mark. But those are the ones who did not believe or commit themselves to Jesus before the tribulation began. So are we to believe that God wants all Christians to prove their loyalty to Him by being sacrificed by the antichrist when they have already done that by living their lives for Jesus and denied themselves as we are told to do. So isn't being beheaded the wrath of God done by the antichrist? So why would God pour His wrath out on His elect? God has saved me from myself and evil people of this world all my life and also allowed me to go through very hard times/tribulation, but I will never believe He will allow me to fall victim to the antichrist and the beast system after getting right with him. Is this how God blesses His people by sending them to the slaughter by the antichrist? So according to you, all Christians will go thru the rapture and be beheaded? I think not.
Thanks for the clarification once again that it is Pre-tribulation the way I read is the same. Come Lord Jesus come I’m watching and waiting 🌸💕
You can't read into it what's not there. This is one simple thing you need to think of. The very first thing that happens when the antichrist is revealed, is he wages war with the saints. If all of the saints were just removed, then how is he killing us.
Sorry no pre trib. 1 Theselonians 14 onwards. You will go after the dead ar raised not before. Prepare to endure till the end
Thats because youre reading with already preconceived thoughts about it being a pre trip rapture. Read it again but with no opinion about it. Dont think about pre mid or post. Just read it as if its your first time learning about it and see what it actually looks like
WHEN WILL THE TRIBULATION MARTYRS BE RESURRECTED SIR? PLSE GIVE SUPPORT SCRIPTURE
@@bubblysky3593 They will be resurrected on the last day as Jesus taught in John 6, 11 and John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
I was pre-trib for thirty years, but I admit that I never really studied it for myself. I would highly recommend that every Christian learn every position on the end times before taking a definite stand. It’s so helpful to know the differences in the various views.
That is very good advice. Pre trib'ers need to study the Rev. 20:4-6 passage and find out what second death means. Hebrew 9:27 says it is appointed unto men once to die and after this the judgment. The term "second resurrection" in the Bible but there is a second death which is inferred at the end of Rev 20:11-15 but it is for those who are not part of the first resurrection. Rev 20:5 says everybody not in the first resurrection has to wait for the end of the thousand year reign. That al;one blows pre and post trib out of the water. Both of those require some kind of third resurrection. 1 Thes 4:16-17. is their stumbling block as only those who have qualified as candidates of the first resurrection are "in Christ" everybody else has to go through the "white throne judgement" to be qualified holy and able to stand before God. (see Rev. 6:9-11, 12:10-11, 14:13.) It is quite likely that the rapture debate is here to prevent people seeing that the sabbath is still viable and holy because God never sanctified Sunday or removed his sanctification of the seventh day). (see Zechariah 14:16-19 a passage that covers Jesus rule during the thousand year reign. The feast of tabernacles is an appointed sabbath just like the feast of tabernacles and first fruits {Pentecost} and weekly sabbath. During that thousand year reign the Lord will pass death penalties on those who force him in their rebellion for not keeping the feast of tabernacles. Today some teach that everyone but "Christians" are destroyed at the Lords return but that means when the devil is released from the bottomless pit in Rev 20:7-9 that the devil deceives saints to attack the Lord and God will kill Christians for their rebellion. (Isaiah 65:17-25 and chapter 66:22-24 give us an extended view ot Christs thousand year reign). Matt 5:17-18 Jesus says he came to fulfill the law and while he rules and reigns he will use the law to rule by during the thousand year reign. The earth does not disappear until the end of Christs reign and the second death judgment begins. Rev 20:11-15. The Bible does not contradict the Bible only false doctrines and misinterpretations.
@dustinpotter8312 how does any of this debunk the pretribulation rapture doctrine? We don't disagree with the events of end time, millennial reign, and eternity. It all fits for the pretrib rapture doctrine.
@@grandpaimtired Pretribulation rapture bases it's whole hope on a partial collection/resurrection of the saints principle where even the deceased pre-judged followers of Jesus Christ are resurrected before the full return of Jesus to take command of his throne in the millennium. Scripture, i.e., Revelation 20:4-6 is a direct contradiction of the concept. Verse 4 gives a description of those who are qualified for the ‘first resurrection” and they are people who have gone through persecution and paid for their faith to the Lord with their lives. Rev 20:5 declares it is not an all inclusive general resurrection.
Revelation 6:9 reveals there are people who have suffered likewise to those declared in Rev 20:4. Further Rev 7:9-14 reveals a huge uncounted number of saints that have had their robes whitened through persecution. Pretribulation rapture would not permit that as there is only one first resurrection.
Hebrews 9:27 says "it is appointed once unto men to die and then the judgment." Rev 20:5 restricts the number of people resurrected at the full return of Christ to being only those who qualify for the first resurrection. Only those who are "dead in Christ" belong to Christ. All others have yet to be judged as worthy or unclean and frankly not all the others who are raised to life at the end of Rev 20:11-15 will find their names in the book of life. Those who have not been judged by God to be holy do not belong to Jesus. Jesus does not resurrect un-judged uncleaned people to stand and serve in the kingdom of heaven even for the millennium. Pretribulation rapture contradicts the tenets of the process of judgment and contradicts what scripture says about the first resurrection.
First resurrection saints serve as priests and kings with Christ during his millennium reign. They do not go through the end of the world judgment, which is called the second death, because the second death has no power over them. They are called blessed and holy (Rev 20:6) from going though the ultimate sacrifice for their faith (see Rev 14:13). The saints of the first resurrection lived lives dedicated to the commandments and love of Christ. Successful defendants of the final judgment will suffer loss for their less than perfect contributions on the foundation of Christ (1 Corinthians 3:11-15) but because of having been born again and having their names still in the book of life will survive that judgment and enter the kingdom of heaven. Their rewards will have been diminished but they will still posses the gift of life. The foolish virgins of Matthew 25:1-13 will not.
Matthew 7:21 Jesus says not everyone who calls Jesus “Lord Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven. All of those people were still in their graves while Christ ruled for that thousand years. The people judged at the end of the world include saints and sinners from Genesis 1 to the end of Revelation 20. Only those of the first resurrection are exempt from the judgment of the second death.
If pretribulation rapture contradicts scripture it can only be a doctrine to deceive and trap the peoples of the end times. The doctrine is barely two hundred years old as far as “global doctrines go.” Technically the term second resurrection does not occur in most popular translations of the English bible if any. The term of possibility for the concept is “second death.” Prospectively in a general sense even those condemned to the lake of fire and those who after judgment enter the kingdom of heaven still only experience one resurrection. Scripture does not use the term second resurrection. Resurrection by discovery is only for those who will not suffer any influence by the second death. Only until the completion of the second death judgment will those who successfully enter the kingdom of heaven be clean/pure/holy but they will be altered from what they were. No imperfect being will enter the kingdom of heaven (Revelation 21:27). All of the bad works and traits they possessed will be burned off at judgment and prospectively they do not enter the kingdom of heaven “whole” but they will enter heaven with life. Those of the first resurrection will be raised/resurrected whole because they have discarded that which offends voluntarily (See Matthew 18 or Mark 9 for Jesus talking about the concept and Rev 12 for end time application) they loved not their lives unto the death.
Notice this summary is just about the “resurrection” aspect and does not address those who are alive and remain and their “changing” at the moment Christ returns. Even so as scripture says the changing will not occur without the raising of the “dead in Christ” happening first. I hope this answers your question.
@@dustinpotter8312 so you are an expert on resurrections?
@@dustinpotter8312 tell me quickly. How many resurrections there are. If you ARE WRONG, then I will expose you as a false teacher. I want JUST a number. 1 to 10 for example. How. many
I've been listening to a lot of pre trib rapture teachers as of late. None have yet explained away the post trib rapture. In fact the more pre trib teachers I hear the stronger my post trib views are strengthened.
Same thing happened to me
Exactly
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THE ENTIRE " RAPTURE - MYTH " WAS
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I’m the exact same way. One argument that ore tribs can’t explain to me is when Jesus said in John 6:40 “...and I will raise him up at the last day”. Ok so this is a resurrection. Revelation only mentions 2 resurrections, saints and sinners. Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 4:15 that we will not precede those who have fallen asleep but the dead in Christ will rise first. Again, that’s a resurrection. So all of that points to post trib rapture. Pre tribs have yet to counter argue that point
I very much enjoyed this interview. I took some time to read the comments, and my heart is heavy. So much name calling and anger. This shows that there is still so much more work that needs to be done in our hearts. Thank you again; I took a ton of notes and look forward to digging into some of Pastor Evans’ statements.
Twenty reasons to believe pre-trib rapture. Dozens of scriptures across Both Old and New Testaments. Learn more here: www.madisonwilloughby.com/the-rapture-of-the-church.html
I concur
@@madisonwilloughby9525 And not one of those scriptures has the rapture before the tribulation. The reader is left to opinions. Horrid.
"And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold." Matt 24:12
True.
Great! It's good to see that younger men are into wanting to understand the prophecies in the End Times! The company inspires!🙏🏼⭐️
I'm (mentally) preparing for a Post-Trib (to be safe). But, I'm PRAYING AND HOPING for a PRE-TRIB.
The scripture is clear about the timing of the rapture. There is no scripture that supports a pre tribulation rapture. We are not appointed to wrath. The day of the Lord is wrath. The bible never defines tribulation as wrath. Tribulation is what the world does, and wrath is what God does
@@samuelhill4618 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
In Revelation 4 the church isn't mentioned no more
So tell me where is the church
In Revelation it talks about God wrath
@@angeleyelisab4357 yes the church isn’t mentioned but the saints are mentioned many times and it’s clear that it’s referring to Christians when it says saints . If we’re not gonna be here during the tribulation then who are the saints that the anti Christ waged war against? I honestly don’t have a preference but I think there’s too many holes in the pre trib belief
@@angeleyelisab4357 Matthew 24:29-31 KJV...."Immediately after the tribulation.....
@@samuelhill4618 To your first point...yes...the scripture *IS* clear about the timing of the rapture, but to your *SECOND* point, I wholeheartedly disagree. To the *3rd* statement you made, yes...you're correct again, but to your *FOURTH* statement about the bible never defining tribulation as wrath, incorrect. And the *FIRST* 1/2 of your last sentence could _MAYBE_ be argued (but here again...it's how you define words), and the *LAST* portion of what you said, I will agree to~~~:)
Now, for you to state that there is *NO* supporting scripture for a pre-tribulation rapture, you must then establish just what position you're taking, *AND* provide an argument for it...I see neither from you, but I see _PLENTY_ of scripture that supports a pre-tribulation rapture. Follow me if you will...
The solitary statement of yours that we're not appointed to wrath (I Thess 5:9 I assume), lemme ask...Why would you want to tie that to probably the 2nd half of the tribulation? Isn't hell "wrath", and if so, can't it mean that believers won't be assigned to hell? The vs could certainly include both, but let's see why the *ENTIRE* tribulation is the "WRATH" of God...
Keep in mind, when you see the word *DAY* or *HOUR,* that day and hour are not used the same way we measure a day or hour, but it's used to define the *ENTIRE* seven year tribulation...
*Jer 30:7* says, "Alas! for that *DAY* is great, so that none is like it: it is even the *TIME* of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.". (The word "TIME" is also used in this verse to refer to the entire tribulation)
*Ezekiel 30:3* "For the *DAY* is near, even the *DAY* of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen".
*Joel 2:1* "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;".
In *Rev 3:10* the word *"HOUR"* is used: "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the *HOUR* of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."
So we know the tribulation is more than just a general "time", a mere 60 minutes, or a 24 hour time period.
Well when you look again to *Rev 3:10* you can see that the church is kept *FROM* this time/day/hour...we're not kept safe *DURING* the tribulation, but saved *OUT* of it altogether. That verse also tells us the primary focus the tribulation is for, i.e. "them that dwell upon the earth". This is not just those living on planet earth, but if you'll study that phrase out, it's used over ten times and the characteristics of "THEM THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH" are clearly seen as unsaved people in need of salvation.
All of that should help in u/standing that the tribulation is indeed the *WRATH* of God. Again, we're not only saved from *ETERNAL* wrath, but the wrath that is poured on for the tribulation. The apostle Paul in *I Thess* is not speaking of the specific SEAL judgments that the church will be exempt from, but the wrath of the tribulation as a whole. *Rev 15:1* tells us that the wrath as a WHOLE is being completed when it says, "And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven _LAST_ plagues; for in them is filled up the *WRATH* of God".
When you see *Rev 6:17* where it says, "“For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”, that is no different than stepping outside of your home in Vermont on Feb 3rd in sub zero weather during a blizzard and proclaiming, "Well, winter is here...that's for sure!", when it "OFFICIALLY" arrived December 21st! The phrase, *"IS HERE"* in no way means that it just THEN arrived, but it is a point of observation that it *HAS* arrived, i.e. past tense.
So yes, the rapture is *PRE* wrath, but the entire 7yr tribulation is wrath! Cheers~~~:)
I could listen to Jimmy Evans for hours no interruptions. He is so easy to understand and explains perfectly
he is talking rubbish. i say that with respect. Cant even listen to him twisting Gods Word. disgracefull.
There is no pre tirb resurrection. The bible clearly says Jesus Christ is coming post tribulation. Just read 2 Thessalonians 1:3-10 2Thessalonians 2:1-8 1 1Corinthians 15:50-55 matthew 24:29-30. Revelation 20:4-6. 1 corinthians 15:23.
He’s way off but a good man.
So much respect for Jimmy Evans. Wisdom and humility in form.
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@@alassmann who is Freemason ?
@@alassmann Yeah, who? Don't mention Freemasons unless you know who they really are and what they believe in.......
@@alassmann And you can't spell.......
Jimmy and the Rapture nuts on here.
Great job guys! I'm personally a post-triber but love it when the body of Christ can defend positions and still have love one another wholeheartedly. Tim obviously has a wonderful pastoral heart
Don't kid yourself: most pretribbers think all other views on rapture timing, except theirs, are of the devil.
@jerry7956 not only that, they want to block and shun everyone that won't obey so they wont have a voice here on RUclips
@@BornAgain490 so true ,all lovey untill you corner them
God bless you post Triber from a pre Triber👍
You can agree to disagree, but that's not the way of Jesus. Beside the false pretrib rapture being taught, there's the one that says it's alright to believe a lie. Pre or post? One is wrong. God no longer "winks" at ignorance.We have the Holy Spirit to lead us and guide us. I teach last day resurrection and gathering of the church. If I'm wrong, I will face consequences for deception. Both sides agree that there is no harm to salvation if you're wrong. That is a lie of the devil. God bless.
I am a muslim listened to many rapture explanations. Never got to a fact till now.
Very well explained and convincing.
*Jer **29:13* "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." We'll (Christians) pray for you my friend.
Do be careful not go get caught up in matters that are not savific.
There is Nothing more Beautiful then seeing a GOD Fearing GOD Loving Arab. Yeshua wasn't always my First Love. The father of my 4 Beautiful children was and he was a Muslim from Morocco. Jesus showed himself through a Dream but he still didn't BELIEVE until recently through Our Secound Daughter Jamela after several (in our eyes) untimely deaths. GOD IS SO GOOD . HE Used Our Families grief from death and used it for something good so so good Praise God hallelujah!!!!!
No u didn't get the correct explanation of the rapture, the pre trib, mid trib, post trib, and pre wrath rapture all believe everything happens in seven years and it doesn't, the trumpets, and bowls of God's wrath happens after the seven year period is over, therefore there is no reason the church has to be pre trib raptured to escape God's wrath, and the Lamb's wrath.
@@williamverdell8856 what is wrong with you ? People were responding to a Muslim who seemed interested in at least some truth . Why bring you're argument to this setting right now ? Don't you believe in evangelism . ? I just can't understand that type of behavior in THE BODY OF CHRIST . Please examine yourself before THE LORD my friend as were all instructed to.
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 Brother Jimmy has taught something that is not true,so I responded to that, but u said something about witnessing to a Muslim, are u referring to brother Jimmy's video, or some other video?
I am blessed this topic .I'm also a pretribulation rapture and waiting for that great coming day of the Lord.
This reminds me of the baby toy with the shaped blocks have to go in the right shaped hole. But in Jimmy’s case he is forcing some round blocks in a square hole.
Specifics would be nice. Do you have any specific rebuttals to his points?
Thanks pastor Jimmy, make sure you and Karen stay well, okay, if you have time and get this not pray for my healing please. With Love from Canada. Don't stop sharing the truth I believe we are running out of time.
To know we have the privilege of being the face of the Holy Spirit warms my heart. God is do good 🙏🏼❤️
Wow, first time running across this show. Really Impressed with the Hosts and the Guest. COME LORD JESUS...…ASAP!
I love Jimmy Evans! Thank you for the video! “...the next major event that will happen.” .... wow... a miracle is about to happen.
There's no pretrib rapture, the rapture is prewrath. He confuses the tribulation with Gods wrath
Two raptures, leaves out but unto salvation....
Mlllll
You are fooled by him.
There are many false prophets in this last days.
Read your own Bible .
@@billybroadwater6133
He does not understand , sad many are blind.
Great sharing of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and end times with questions and answers. Jimmy Evans is a blessing to those seeking truth from the Word of God. Lead us all into truth Holy Spirit, as we seek You and love You Lord, Father, Son Lord Jesus and Holy Spirit, with all of our heart.
No matter who poses the position, "Why I believe in a pre-trib rapture", the only possible correct following statement would be, " Because some well-intentioned person taught me wrong."
B. Sanders hallelujah to this statement 🙏🏼
I want to be ready when the Bridegroom says "Come up hither..".
from the Philippines, COME LORD JESUS COME!
Ask the HolySpirit that dwells in you, test everyones spirit by praying.
Come Antichrist,
I’ve been in the mid-trib camp, thanks for changing my mind. I’ve always believed during the tribulation people will be saved…second chance or last chance for the world because God is merciful.
I wouldn’t jump ship just yet brother. I am “pre wrath” which is a close view to “mid trib” (your previous view). There are terms in “pre trib” that create a straw man, forcing you to take their position. Pre trib infers, pre 70th week of Daniel and because they feel we are out of here prior to that time, they ASSUME all of the 70the week is “wrath”. Also, they teach that the seals are Gods wrath. Well, if there was so much wrath in the 1st half of Daniels 70th week, why didn’t Jesus mention it? In Matt 24, Jesus says the trouble on the earth gets real at the mid point (the desolation of abomination). As a matter of fact Daniel 9:27 is the only passage in the entire Bible that explicitly mentions the 1st 1/2 of Daniel’s 70th week! 2 verses nail down the timing (Phil 1:6 and 2 Thes 2:3). We are here on earth until the Day of Christ and the antichrist and the falling away happen BEFORE the day of Christ. We get out of here AFTER the desolation of Abomination! 4th horsemen is the desolation of abomination, the 5th are those how die at his hand, then the sign of the coming of the son of man (Joel 2:31 sun moon ) is show in the 6th seal, then Jews are sealed (Rev 7) and THEN the rapture (Rev 7:13-14). It is only then that the wrath of God is poured out via the Trumpets and Vial judgments. You see, perspective is key. In Matt 24 “after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give her light (same event as Joel 2:31 and Rev 6), God ends the Tribulation of those days (which is not Him ending His own wrath but rather Him stopping the persecution of believers) vs Rev 6 “those who came out of the great Trib. From God perspective, He ended the tribulation (thlipsis means persecution) for the believers on earth (via the rapture) but from Heavens perspective (receiving us), we just came out of thlipsis (tribulation).
Hope that gets ya thinking again 😊
Pre-Tribulation is the correct stance for the bible believing church. There are many great teachers that can explain and answer the rebuttals of post-trib and mid-trib. Check out Pastor Derek Walker from Oxford Bible Church. His videos on the rapture and debates against post-trib believers are amazing. There is also some good videos from Perry Stone.
@@revivalnetwork5475 I beg to differ.
@Christ’s Kingdom feel free to send any questions regarding why you differ. I’m open to share the word
@@revivalnetwork5475ok, let’s start here: In Phil 1:6, Paul says Jesus will continue a good work in us (sanctify us as the Church) UNTIL the day of Christ but in 2 Thes 2:2-3, Paul says the falling away & the man of sin will come BEFORE the day of Christ. How do reconcile the revelation of antichrist as a pre trib church if Paul says we are going to be here for it?
God bless you and your family in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.Thank you🙏🙏🙏❤️🇦🇺
I’ve literally been repeatedly preached against from the pulpit and even insulted on this matter BY PASTORS AND BRETHREN in Christ. Little did they know, I was heavily studying the pretrib rapture the whole time trying to convince myself of it just to keep the peace. Unfortunately for me the pretrib rapture is not in the Bible, because I am terrified of the Antichrist 😅. Pastor jimmy is the best speaker I’ve seen yet, very respectful. 😌
I agree.....I was taught pre trib and after very deep study walked away a pre wrath believer. If you go into it with no pre conceived notions, pre trib would never be gleaned from scripture. I don't think its a major thing myself. I think we can all still get along.
So refreshing to hear Jimmys comments based solely on what the Word says and not complicated with mans opinions. we need that simplicity and purity. Thank u Jimmy.
Thank you for all you do to help me and other Christians understand scripture better.
He wages war against the Saints, he's given authority to overcome us, but we also are given authority to overcome him in the prior chapter, and how the Saints overcome him, is by the blood of the lamb and by the word of their testimony and most importantly here this points out that we had that patience and endurance in faith all along not just all of a sudden by not taking a mark in the last days is, because they loved not their own life even unto death. Yeah I think that last one pretty much sums it up...
The saints that he is Waging War against is most definitely the chosen ones, us the bride, we are here during tribulations most obviously
@@memarie9373 No way. "For the Lord will descend from Heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST;. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore, comfort one another with these words." (1st Thessalonians 4:16--18).
Understand better by receiving the Holy Spirit, because the scriptures are a dead letter book and an IDOL!
@@MrThatWatchman I have read Revelation several times. Have read a lot on reliable interpretations of end times and simply do not agree with a prerapture. None of the old testament prophets ever referred to this pre trib. One taken the other left. It is the unbeliever that is taken. In Noah's time, it was the wicked that were taken and
Noah and family were left. When Jesus returns, everyone sees Him.
If the believers are taken, who is witnessing to others in the tribulation. North America is the only nation that believes thev1830
Tale
@@marymcmullen5644 Noah was taken (aka saved)! So, in your terms, that means Noah was wicked. Stupid is as stupid does. These are not debates, this is mental masturbation for the Satan worshipers, because Earth is not our home. The bible is also an IDOL, because its the OLD Covenant! Jesus left us the Holy Spirit (New Covenant), and not a BOOK!
Rev 4 being the rapture is not a good argument at all. Definitely not the rapture. God is showing John the future.
“Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this.”
God delivers His own before the time of wrath begins.
If some doubt is the above verse is specific to the wrath of the Tribulation Period, then Revelation 3:10 should remove any doubt, “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
Before the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asks the Lord the question, “Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?” (Genesis 18:23). The answer then was no, as God removed Lot and two of his daughters from the fiery end of those cities. We also see this principle applied with Enoch’s rapture before the flood. Noah’s family safely within the ark a week before the rain starts to fall (Genesis 5:21-24; 7:9-10, 16).
Revelation’s narrative is also an indicator the rapture is before the Tribulation because of the absence of the church.
Chapters 2-3 of Revelation consists of seven letters to seven churches.
Then chapter four begins with John going through an event that is identical to the rapture. Revelation 4:1, “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.”
There is no mention of the church again until she returns to earth as the Bride of Christ in Revelation 19. The Tribulation Period starts in Revelation 6 and runs through Revelation 19 without mention of the church. We see the two witnesses and the 144,000. We read of their followers, those saved during the Tribulation. Still, there is no mention of anyone saved before the Tribulation begins. Why? They are already gone.
@@cokefishtail
KEEP does not mean to be taken or snatch out of the earth.
The Church is no longer mentioned in the New Heaven and New Earth Rev. 21. Does this mean the Church is somewhere outside of it?
Noah, Lot, Daniel, the Israelites, they were not taken out of the earth, either they went through to the tribulation or kept far from it. In Enoch's and Elijah's case, it may be the same case with Philip after he ministered to the eunich. Philip was translated to another place.
Those who heeds to the call of Jesus to come out of the apostate churches comprises the True Body of Christ, including the Smyrnians and the Philadelpians. They are called as the saints and overcomers from then on just to distinguish them and separate them from the apostate churches and from the church of satan.
you are completely right.
The bible says at the last trumpet.
The last trumpet sounds Revelation 11: 15, and 10: 7 is when the mystery is complete
1 Corinthians 15: 51-52
Behold, I shew you a mystery;
We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed,
In a moment,
in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump:
for the trumpet shall sound,
and the dead shall be raised incorruptible,
and we shall be changed.
Boy!!! S Pastor Evans great!!! Yes I now believe the pre trib… he is the best explaining the Bible!!!wow!!
pre-Trib is the most consistent position with the Scriptures and or the nature of God. WITHOUT THE PRE-TRIB POSITION THE BLESSED HOPE DOES NOT EXIST. EVERYTHING ELSE MAKES NO SENSE! MARHANATHA!
The pre-trib rapture is consistently contradictory to what the Bible actually says. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to create the pre-trib rapture.
He’s the Blessed Hope in tribulation.
" The blessed hope does not exist without the pre-trib position" What a wrong thing to say. He is coming for those who are waiting for Him. ( Heb 9:28 )
Sir Jim Evans had clear and very reliable explanation all throughout,I believe in him
Don’t believe in Him based on what you’ve heard said by any teacher, examine the scriptures and search out what the truth is for yourself.
Are you to believe man or scripture?
There is no pre tirb resurrection. The bible clearly says Jesus Christ is coming post tribulation. Just read 2 Thessalonians 1:3-10 2Thessalonians 2:1-8 1 1Corinthians 15:50-55 matthew 24:29-30. Revelation 20:4-6. 1 corinthians 15:23.
I am not dispensational or pre trib in my understanding of eschatology. However, I HAVE to say (at 20:27 mins in) this is the BEST argumentation I've ever heard for pre trib rapture. I actually am so thankful for this. I think it's wrong to read Revelation linearly, but man this is good. And I've always loved Pastor Jimmy and Gateway and Pastor Robert Morris their entire culture and everything is great and I appreciate when they talk bible
I do believe that Jesus has the Best and most Truthful Response as to when Jesus Christ will return!
Jesus made it Clear with His Own Words that the Abomination of Desolation MUST take place in Jerusalem!
Jesus made it very Clear that there will be Great Tribulation in Judea when that happens and that those in Judea must then flee!
Jesus made it very Clear that the Length of that Tribulation has ben cut to a set length and it will NOT go on and on!
Jesus made it very Clear that in the Days AFTER that Tribulation has ended THEN we will see events in the Sun, Moon and Stars that have never been seen before and when Believers in Christ see those Events THEN will be the Time when Christs Return will be Near!
Jesus made it very Clear that when we see all of those Events THEN we are to Look Up and Lift up our Heads and watch and Pray and be Ready for then His COMING is near and His Coming will take place when we least expect it!
Even when we see those Events we will NOT KNOW that Exact Day or Exact Hour BUT we will KNOW that it is Near!
It may happen at Midnight or it may happen at Midday!
It may happen while we are Asleep or while we are awake!
It may happen while we are in the Shower or in the Toilet or while we are Driving kids to School!
It may happen on a Monday or a Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday or Friday or Saturday or Sunday!
We will never ever Know that Exact Day or Exact hour BUT we will be Ready and NOT letting our House to be broken into as Jesus has commanded us!
Then When Jesus returns the Resurrection will take place!
We will be Harpazo to Meet Jesus in the Air!
Satan will be Bound!
The Beast and False Prophet will be Thrown into the lake of Fire!
Jesus will Trample the Wine Press of His Wrath against all that are gathered against Him in the Valley of Decision!
Then and only then will Jesus touch His feet on the Ground and He will Purge His Kingdom of all things that Offend and do Iniquity and then we will Celebrate the Feast in His Kingdom and the 1000 Year Reign will begin!
What a Return that will be!
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@@RaptureofSaints There are a couple of points I would ask you to consider after reading your message. When Jesus spoke of taking us in the Rapture, he said a trumpet would sound and we would be taken UP to meet him in the clouds. So Jesus does not set foot on earth for the Rapture. When he spoke about one being taken from the field and one would not, and one being taken from the bed and one would not, he was telling us this was a world-wide event because as you know when it is daytime in one part of the world it is nighttime on the other. This is because Jesus said the event (Rapture) would take place in a twinkling of an eye. I find this interesting because did people know in those days that daytime in one part of the world was night in another? I don't believe so because travel was very slow in those days, Jesus would know of course because he is supernatural. Finally when Jesus comes for the second time he comes with a great army and that army is made from the people Raptured. God Bless.
@@Onotail The Greek Word "Harpazo" is a Verb!
Harpazo / Rapture is an ACTION!!
Jesus said that at His COMING the Trumpet will sound and we will be GATHERED Together to Meet Him in the Clouds! Jesus said that when He comes to GATHER us Together to Himself He will Cleanse His Kingdom of all things that Offend and do Iniquity! Jesus said that He will sit on His Throne in Israel! Read all of Mathew 24 and 25 as both Chapters speak of that Same COMING!
Jesus did NOT say that the Harpazo / Rapture will take place in the Twinkling of an eye! That Statement is a LIE!
Paul Himself said that it is the RESURRECTION that takes place in the Twinkling of an eye!
Paul said Clearly in 1 Corinthians 15 that it is the Resurrection that takes place in the Twinkling of an aye!
Corruptible PUTS ON Incorruption and Mortal PUTS ON IMMORTALITY in the RESURRECTION and this all happens in the Twinkling of an eye!
Paul said that when Jesus COMES to GATHER us Together to Himself He is COMING with all of His Angels of Flaming Fire and He is COMING with all that have Died!
@@Onotail Harpazo / Rapture is a VERB, it is an ACTION! Harpazo / Rapture is a Word that ONLY means to be seized and moved from One Location to Another! LOOK at all 13 places in the New Testament where this Greek Word "Harpazo" is used and you will see this Truth!
Jesus was RESURRECTED before He was Harpazo / Raptured!
We MUST be RESURRECTED before we will be Harpazo / Raptured!
The TRUTH is that it is ONLY those that Partake in the RESURRECTION that will Partake in the Harpazo / Rapture to Meet Jesus!
Flesh and Blood cannot Inherit the Kingdom!
Jesus said to all of the Churches that we are Blessed and Holy when we Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION!!!
Jesus said that at the Last Day of the Age He will Raise Up to Himself ALL that God has Given to Him!
One COMING with ONE RESURRECTION and ONE Harpazo to Meet Him!
I love how Jimmy explains things
There's no pretrib rapture, the rapture is prewrath. He confuses the tribulation with Gods wrath
@@billybroadwater6133 I'm curious as to what you believe is God's wrath if not the tribulation.
@@womandela7225 Hi Amy, Gods wrath appears to be affirmed by scriptures such as Revelation 6:17 where it says that "Gods wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" This statement was made right after the opening of the sixth seal which describes the cosmic disturbances of sun, moon and stars. The Sign of the end of this age. After this the Wrath of God is described further as starting with the 7 Trumpets and followed by (and ended by) the 7 bowls. In a nutshell, Gods wrath then appears to be the sounding of the trumpets and the pouring out of the bowls. Possibly also Armageddon at the Lords second coming. There is much more to this but perhaps this helps? Note - there is Gods Wrath, and then also the Wrath of Satan. These two are different.
@@womandela7225 thanks for asking. Amy study the topic Day of the Lord. You will see that it occurs at the 6th seal in Revelation 6 with the sign of the sun, moon and stars. Compare this to Matthew 24:29-31 and Old Testament verse in Joel and Isiah. Revelation 12-14 are parenthetical, meaning they go back and explain previous events more in detail. Revelation 12 which ushers in the great tribulation is Satan's wrath not Gods. God's wrath doesn't start till the trumpet judgments, not the seals.
So do I. The best I've listened to so far.
Sad to say that many children of good Christian parents have chosen not to follow Jesus. I’m praying that many of these come to Christ before the tribulation. But those who reject the gospel will realize too late that Jesus is Lord
Amen brother Jimmy!!
What a great man of God!!!
Dispensational COMMON SENSE!!!
Amen brother, Amen!!
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Waiting for that blessed hope! 🙏🙌
You need to study God’s Word.
I confirm every word Jimmy teaches is true. All based on the Word of God. At the end of that thousand years those pity full survivors will again after satan's release, try to kill God but Jesus the Lion of Judah (with a whisper) will just blow them away. Love from Africa.
Wonderful, perfect, bible based explanation of why we as the church will not go through the Great tribulation.
Never heard it explained with so many scripture verses to back up Pre trib rapture!!!!
Amen brother!!!
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What do you think about Matthew 24:29-31 Please read especially verse 31 / Also the Tribulation is not 7 years total it’s the last 3 and a half.
@@georgepoindexter7416 Yes, that says it all…….”Immediately AFTER the tribulation……………”
Be careful with that!! Much respect to ya. Please look at Matthew 24:29-thru-31 / V31. says…and He will send angels with a great sound of a Trumpet, and they will GATHER TOGETHER HIS ( ELECT!!!! ) FROM THE FOUR WINDS, FROM ONE END OF HEAVEN TO ANOTHER. GOD’S WORD DOES NOT CONTRADICT!!!! V. 29 SAYS ( !! IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS!! ) SO BE CAREFUL!! CHILD OF GOD!!!!
Again, be very careful saying that!! There are believers Worldwide and they need our prayers!! Look at Turkey and Syria!!! Over 35,000 people are dead and I can Guarantee you some / many were believers!!
It’s sad how many people are misinformed about Pre Trib rapture. Most are regurgitating things that have been debunked ten times over. The pre trib rapture is indeed biblical.
I find dispensational pre-trib theology very difficult to follow. The Bible passages used to support this view are at best entirely ambiguous, which is no grounds to base a doctrine. And the 1 Thes verses say nothing about any pre-trib rapture. You have to read this view into the text, which is also what you have to do to hold the dispensationalist position re Israel etc.
The rapture is when Jesus Christ returns to remove the church (all believers in Christ) from the earth. The rapture is described in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Believers who have died will have their bodies resurrected and, along with believers who are still living, will meet the Lord in the air. This will all occur in a moment, in a twinkling of an eye. The second coming is when Jesus returns to defeat the Antichrist, destroy evil, and establish His millennial kingdom. The second coming is described in Revelation 19:11-16.
The important differences between the rapture and second coming are as follows:
1) At the rapture, believers meet the Lord in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17). At the second coming, believers return with the Lord to the earth (Revelation 19:14).
2) The second coming occurs after the great and terrible tribulation (Revelation chapters 6-19). The rapture occurs before the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
3) The rapture is the removal of believers from the earth as an act of deliverance (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, 5:9). The second coming includes the removal of unbelievers as an act of judgment (Matthew 24:40-41).
4) The rapture will be secret and instant (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). The second coming will be visible to all (Revelation 1:7; Matthew 24:29-30).
5) The second coming of Christ will not occur until after certain other end-times events take place (2 Thessalonians 2:4; Matthew 24:15-30; Revelation chapters 6-18). The rapture is imminent; it could take place at any moment (Titus 2:13; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).
Why is it important to keep the rapture and the second coming distinct?
1) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, believers will have to go through the tribulation (1 Thessalonians 5:9; Revelation 3:10).
2) If the rapture and the second coming are the same event, the return of Christ is not imminent-there are many things which must occur before He can return (Matthew 24:4-30).
3) In describing the tribulation period, Revelation chapters 6-19 nowhere mentions the church. During the tribulation-also called “the time of trouble for Jacob” (Jeremiah 30:7)-God will again turn His primary attention to Israel (Romans 11:17-31).
The rapture and second coming are similar but separate events. Both involve Jesus returning. Both are end-times events. However, it is crucially important to recognize the differences. In summary, the rapture is the return of Christ in the clouds to remove all believers from the earth before the time of God’s wrath. The second coming is the return of Christ to the earth to bring the tribulation to an end and to defeat the Antichrist and his evil world empire.
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Okay u go ahead and go through it..I'm leaving though
@@cokefishtail Negative ur decieved
And who is the bible about Clayton? The Jews who are MOSTLY SAVED after the Rapture and are the Wheat Harvest which comes AFTER the Barley Harvest (Christian Gentiles and some Messianic Jews). So, the reason a Jewish Bible doesn't speak about the Rapture in the Old Testament is that the Jews grow together with the tares until the very end. The New Testament does speak about it to a minor degree. but Paul's Letters to the Churches were never intended to be holy writ and Canonized, if we had all of his letters to every Church we may get more details, but in many cases, we can see where Paul says, REMEMBER when I was with you I told you these things and he never fills us in, because that's much easier than explaining in detail what you have already expounded unto them in person. Paul was their Pastor, not a "Thus saith the Lord" guy per se.
So, why not DIG IN like we did and figure it out via all of Jesus' hints? Jesus came only for the Jews, so it's not really going to be in the four Gospels either, but he gave hints. Like the Judean wedding which always sees the Bride and Groom stay in the wedding chambers for 7 years. The Barley festival, the Wheat festival, and the Grape festival all have first-fruits of their own. So, anytime I hear someone say SEE, the 144,000 are the First-fruits, Yes, of the Wheat Harvest, not the Barley Harvest.
Wonderful explanation eye opener God Bless you Jimmy. Thank you guy's for posting this video. I've been on the fence. Leaning sometimes towards a mid tribulation rapture. Thankful for that Cross ✝️. Praying 🙏 that The Good Lord counts me worthy to escape what is to come.
Beyond being a born again believer, there's nothing we would be responsible for where He would "count us worthy".
I just want to point out Jesus said never said anything about escaping what’s to come but he did talk about going through great tribulation and enduring through it
This is the best video explaining the pre tribulation rapture I have yet seen, thank you so much! God bless everyone in Christ
'Tiss obvious you do not have the word of God as the final authority.
You cling to smooth taking opinionators that have no pre-trib rapture verse.
He forgot to give you that pre-trib rapture verse that has the rapture before the tribulation.
Instead, he gave opinions.
He failed the church and his Lord.
Time to read Ezekiel 13 KJV. And Jeremiah 23 KJV
Amen, my friend.
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7 pre trib problems
@@adoptedwatchman I suppose those are issues for people who don’t know their Bible.
@@annemurphy9339 thinking pretrib is legit shows a lack of understanding of the Bible
I believe that Jesus could come at anytime. We are to keep are eyes on Jesus. I love how Jimmy Evans teaches.
Thank you so much for having this interview, and giving me another argument against the Pre-Trib Rapture 🤣!
Jimmy kept comparing the Rapture to the days of Lot and Noah, but then stated that during the Final 7 Years before the Second Coming, people would still have the opportunity to accept Christ and become believers.
However, when God’s judgment fell on the Earth 🌍 during Noah’s day, and also when it fell on Sodom & Gomorrah during Lot’s day, there was no ability for unbelievers to be saved during that time. Their opportunity to repent was before God casted His judgment.
The Pre-Trib Rapture position simply doesn’t hold any water when held up against Luke 17 & Matthew 24.
Correct, let him that is guilty be guilty still etc.
Your right, but if u want to hear a different view, that goes beyond the post trib view, watch my 5 videos on RUclips under the title.
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
Just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title.
The thing that I don't that they don't is I prove that the Trumpets, and bowls of God's wrath happens after the seven year period is over, for a minimum of Three years and eleven months longer than the seven year period, therefore proving that all the views are wrong in how they teach Revelation.
Thanks so much for this discussion... spiritually helpful. Thanks to pasor Jimmy for his teaching. God bless you all and keep you.🙏
This is probably the best explanation of the rapture I've heard in a long time ,, maybe ever..Thanks fellas May GOD bless yaw
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
@@SpotterVideo I don't agree with you because most of your statements and assumptions are wrong . I take scripture more seriously than that . Not absolutely literally but literally where scripture and reality shows us we should take it literally. So , are you are you partial or full preterist ? Because preterism is heresy and its impossible to hold to partial preterism consistently . BTW the pretrib view has been around since the 7th century my friend . I believe the church patriarchs name was Barnabas that first introduced it on paper . Darby coming up with it is just just hearsay put forth by folks who are zealous against the pretrib position.
tiff Shuttlesworth is good end times preacher too.
@@loreneedwards6215 thanks . GOD bless you my friend .
Read the Bible. Jesus does not mention anything about being taken out seven years before He returns. Read Matthew 13. The wheat and tares grow together and are separated both at the end of the time known as the great tribulation. God's people are saved from His wrath- not the wrath of Satan.
Great points by the pastor using the Bible’s stories to shed light on prophecy
Just an awesome study, thank you in Jesus name 🙏
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@@TheRemnantRadio He is so wrong.
I love watching your show Remnant! My head is spinning and all I know is that Jesus is Lord and my savior. I doubt the pretrib rapture, but Pastor Jimmy has got me thinking!
@PlowsharesintoSwords What happens to Israel? and enough in the bible to suggest,there are at least two groups who enter the thousand years in their natural bodies? Israelis, and whoever else are the other group?we find the other group mentioned in Zechariah 14.. In all the letters to the churches,Jesus make this clear..did you wonder about that? who are the overcomers and their subjects? as in,they are governed over ..That is not the body of Christ being ruled over..
Ann Hinz amen. It’s good to study this stuff however we need to concentrate on Jesus. I’m ready to get raptured or go thru the tribulation.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The New Covenant: Bob George
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Think about what Jesus says
Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
This issue is a NO BRAINER for those who truly love and have all faith in JESUS CHRIST.
So 🖕 Pastor Jimmy. He's headed for a swift destruction.🔥
2 THESS 2
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
AMEN TO THAT❤
Olivet Timing Revealed by Luke’s Gospel:
Compare Luke's Gospel to that of Matthew if you want to understand the timing.
Jesus Foretells Destruction of the Temple (These subtitles are found in e-Sword.)
Luk 21:5 Then, as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with beautiful stones and donations, He said,
Luk 21:6 "These things which you see-the days will come in which not one stone shall be left upon another that shall not be thrown down."
(Mat 24:2 And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." )
Luk 21:7 So they asked Him, saying, "Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?"
(Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?")
( Mar 13:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately,
Mar 13:4 "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?")
Luk 21:8 And He said: "Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them.
(Mat 24:5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. )
Luk 21:9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately."
(Mat 24:6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.)
Jesus Foretells Wars and Persecution
Luk 21:10 Then He said to them, "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
(Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )
Luk 21:11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
(Mat 24:7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. )
Luk 21:12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name's sake.
(Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.) (Read Acts 22:19-20, where Paul reveals that he fulfilled this text.)
Luk 21:13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.
Luk 21:14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer;
Luk 21:15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.
Luk 21:16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.
Luk 21:17 And you will be hated by all for My name's sake.
(Mat 24:10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. )
Luk 21:18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost.
Luk 21:19 By your patience possess your souls.
(Mat 24:13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved.)
Jesus Foretells Destruction of Jerusalem
Luk 21:20 "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (See also Luke 19:41-44)
(Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the 'ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand),
Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.
(Mat 24:16 "then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.)
Luk 21:22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.
(Mat 24:19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! ) (See Luke 23:27-31 where Jesus warned the women weeping for Him.)
Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
(Almost all Bible scholars agree that the first part of the verse above is about 70 AD. At the end of the verse we find a period of time known as “the times of the Gentiles”. In the verses that follow we find the future Second Coming of Christ.)
The Coming of the Son of Man
Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
(Mat 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)
Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
(Mat 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.)
Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."
(Mat 24:33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near-at the doors!)
Good info, but why does he feel the need to put on a 'mocking' voice when talking about what post-trib people believe? It's important we have respect for our brothers and sisters
That's what they do when trying to discredit the truth.
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@@estellexlx So you didn't even listen.
@@AV-LolIDK MOST of them do but they can't take it when it's returned.
@estelle xIx Jimmy Evans was a post trib believer early in his ministry. I follow his ministry extensively and don't believe he would intentionally belittle or dimean any believer in a post tribulation rapture. I've watched over 100 of his seromons and he is always respectful concerning the body of Christ. His marriage teaching is excellent just as an aside.. I love you brothers and sisters, may we all be rapture ready and prayed up for that day is rapidly approaching.
I am so thankful that I now have a personal relationship with Jesus, and His protection over me when I was living the ways of the world and in my ignorant stupidity of my life!! Thank you Lord Jesus, King of Kings you reign Supreme, one and only God!!!
I don't know how anyone with a sound mind and simple comprehension skills can arrive at a pretrib timing of the rapture from the Bible. It must be learned or taught from an outside source.
I'm a born-again Christian as of June 18th last year and prior to being renewed in Christ I believed the universe would continue on to the heat death of the universe. I had no eschatological pony in the race so to speak. I came to a pretribulation rapture view simply by reading Scripture and looking at the feast, harvest, wedding, and Moedim models that we see emphasized in the Bible. The problem I think for most is that they don't see that there are actually several things going on in the end times. There are four different harvests in view: The Barley harvest, which is threshed by the wind (the Holy Spirit - the rapture of the church), the Wheat harvest, which is threshed by the tribulum board (the Tribulation - tribulation saints), and the grape harvest which is the winepress of the wrath of God, and the gleaning of the harvest which is the remnant of Israel. The High Priest (Jesus Christ) gathers the firstfruits of the harvest (a small selection) at the beginning of the harvest. Then the field workers (the angels) go in and collect the rest of the harvest later.
I think a good comparison for those who deny the pretribulation rapture is that they are like the Jews at Christ's First Coming who weren't able to discern between the details and patterns/types in Scripture that the Messiah would have two major interventions in history. They oversimplified things and assumed that the Messiah would suffer but then rule all in one consecutive unbroken season. They would have mocked the idea that the Messiah would come to suffer first then later come again to rule. The thing is, I can totally see how they would come to this conclusion based on an unsophisticated reading of Scripture. However, it's the small details, patterns, and types that we have to pay attention to in order to clue us into what is really being described.
@@matthewbennier7476 This is exactly my point when I say the pretribulation rapture must be learned or taught from an outside source such as the C.I. Scofield Bible which practically equated the commentary with scripture or people who have been advocates of the pretrib view for decades such as Perry Stone and others.
You mentioned things like the feast harvests and Jewish weddings etc. These are the very classical textbook arguments which must be taught to you by people who ascribe to a pretrib view not the word. I'm also speaking from my own experience as I began my walk as a pretribulationist. I maintained that position for many years.
I heard the same arguments. They have been around for longer than you and I have been born again. Certainly longer than a year. Those arguments you presented do not originate with you because they already existed. They are the standard classical pretrib arguments.
I've heard the explanation of tribulum boards used by ppl like Perry Stone. At the end of the day it's good to learn but it has no bearing on the timing of the rapture. I would ask you to consider carefully from scripture that it actually teaches that tribulation is NOT God's wrath. You would have to disregard all you have been taught to understand this. I guarantee you if you search you will find it. The blinder is that you have been trained to believe that you won't be here for the great tribulation. To you it is God's wrath. Scripture demonstrates otherwise. I sincerely hope you will look into it.
@@nodice9227 I use the KJV.
Let's go straight to Scripture and see if we see an indication for at least some (not all) of the church being taken out of the Tribulation.
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." - Luke 21:36
Here we're called to pray to be found worthy to ESCAPE, not ENDURE through all the events of the end times Jesus described.
We also see Jesus promise to those in the Church of Philadelphia (a profile of the church) that they will be spared from the Tribulation through the use of a common description of it as being the temptation that comes on ALL the earth.
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." - Revelation 3:10
We can also see that Jesus' description of those who are taken given by Jesus painting a picture of a seemingly normal existence. If we go into the Tribulation the Lord's final coming won't be a mystery and won't come upon us as a surprise. There are definitive markers described in Daniel and Revelation that have to occur and we could easily calculate the occurrence of events one the beginning of sacrifices start again in Jerusalem. What Jesus describes is a bunch of people in a state without anticipation. Jesus also says that the people will be marrying and be given in marriage at the time that they're taken, which is virtually impossible to imagine during the Tribulation when 90% of the Earth's population will have been eliminated. It'll be like the days of Noah - a surprise to the world.
Also, the wedding patterns and feasts are not strictly extrabiblical. Just look at the last supper with the Apostles. Jesus speaks using clear wedding language and allusions to understood Jewish wedding traditions of the time.
I'm sorry you've lost the promise of the Blessed Hope of Jesus' return for His bride. We should also test all spirits. I've noticed that there is a spirit of putting trust in the means by, which we have to endure the Tribulation among those who subscribe to the post tribulation rapture perspective. They're prepping, they're spending time at the gun-range, they're making survival plans (all works of the flesh). However, among those who believe in the pretribulation rapture of the church I see a spirit of complete faith and reliance on God.
We get so many clues as to where our salvation comes from. Here's a less known one but maybe something to help you consider the way God may guide us in His word. The Book of Psalms is 19 books to its end into the Bible and it's 48 books from the end. In the structure of the Bible itself we are drawn to the significance of 1948 and the replanting of the Fig Tree, which occurred in the 20th century (the 1900's). Many people don't realize this, but each Psalm correlates to a year from 1901 onward. Sometimes they're simply flavor text or allude to potentially non-obvious individuals such as Stalin but there is definitely a mapping once you realize this.
I suggest you check out Psalm 120, which corresponds with 2020 (1900+120=2020). I'll let you decide if the Psalm is spiritually describing 2020. Next read Psalm 121, which corresponds with 2021. Pay careful attention to the last line. This is in the collection of Psalms known as the Songs of the Ascents, yet it is the only Song of this collection that is called the Song TO the Ascent.
2028 is 2000 years from Jesus Christ' crucifixion in 28 A.D. and 80 years from the reestablishment of Israel in 1948. Moses was 80 years old when he returned to Egypt to free the Israelites. It was 80 years from the decree given to rebuild to the actual rebuilding of Aliyah. 80 Year until the end of the reign of David the true annointed King of Israel. Jesus arrived 80 Jubilees into God's plan (4000/50 = 80). We know from Hosea, the parable of the Good Samaritan, and the story of the Samaritan woman that the church age is supposed to be exactly 2,000 years.
2021 is 7 years prior to 2028. We even have a big clue in the last passage of the ENTIRE BIBLE:
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
I don't say this dogmatically or with prophetic authority, but I have mountains of evidence indicating that this is the year of the rapture and the beginning of The Tribulation. I personally believe it may coincide with Feast of Trumpets in October (not September).
@@nodice9227 I use the KJV.
Let's go straight to Scripture and see if we see an indication for at least some (not all) of the church being taken out of the Tribulation.
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." - Luke 21:36
Here we're called to pray to be found worthy to ESCAPE, not ENDURE through all the events of the end times Jesus described.
We also see Jesus promise to those in the Church of Philadelphia (a profile of the church) that they will be spared from the Tribulation through the use of a common description of it as being the temptation that comes on ALL the earth.
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth." - Revelation 3:10
We can also see that Jesus' description of those who are taken given by Jesus painting a picture of a seemingly normal existence. If we go into the Tribulation the Lord's final coming won't be a mystery and won't come upon us as a surprise. There are definitive markers described in Daniel and Revelation that have to occur and we could easily calculate the occurrence of events one the beginning of sacrifices start again in Jerusalem. What Jesus describes is a bunch of people in a state without anticipation. Jesus also says that the people will be marrying and be given in marriage at the time that they're taken, which is virtually impossible to imagine during the Tribulation when 90% of the Earth's population will have been eliminated. It'll be like the days of Noah - a surprise to the world.
Also, the wedding patterns and feasts are not strictly extrabiblical. Just look at the last supper with the Apostles. Jesus speaks using clear wedding language and allusions to understood Jewish wedding traditions of the time.
I'm sorry you've lost the promise of the Blessed Hope of Jesus' return for His bride. We should also test all spirits. I've noticed that there is a spirit of putting trust in the means by, which we have to endure the Tribulation among those who subscribe to the post tribulation rapture perspective. They're prepping, they're spending time at the gun-range, they're making survival plans (all works of the flesh). However, among those who believe in the pretribulation rapture of the church I see a spirit of complete faith and reliance on God.
We get so many clues as to where our salvation comes from. Here's a less known one but maybe something to help you consider the way God may guide us in His word. The Book of Psalms is 19 books to its end into the Bible and it's 48 books from the end. In the structure of the Bible itself we are drawn to the significance of 1948 and the replanting of the Fig Tree, which occurred in the 20th century (the 1900's). Many people don't realize this, but each Psalm correlates to a year from 1901 onward. Sometimes they're simply flavor text or allude to potentially non-obvious individuals such as Stalin but there is definitely a mapping once you realize this.
I suggest you check out Psalm 120, which corresponds with 2020 (1900+120=2020). I'll let you decide if the Psalm is spiritually describing 2020. Next read Psalm 121, which corresponds with 2021. Pay careful attention to the last line. This is in the collection of Psalms known as the Songs of the Ascents, yet it is the only Song of this collection that is called the Song TO the Ascent.
2028 is 2000 years from Jesus Christ' crucifixion in 28 A.D. and 80 years from the reestablishment of Israel in 1948. Moses was 80 years old when he returned to Egypt to free the Israelites. It was 80 years from the decree given to rebuild to the actual rebuilding of Aliyah. 80 Year until the end of the reign of David the true annointed King of Israel. Jesus arrived 80 Jubilees into God's plan (4000/50 = 80). We know from Hosea, the parable of the Good Samaritan, and the story of the Samaritan woman that the church age is supposed to be exactly 2,000 years.
2021 is 7 years prior to 2028. We even have a big clue in the last passage of the ENTIRE BIBLE:
20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
I don't say this dogmatically or with prophetic authority, but I have mountains of evidence indicating that this is the year of the rapture and the beginning of The Tribulation. I personally believe it may coincide with Feast of Trumpets in October (not September).
@@matthewbennier7476 I give you a thumbs up for how much you have taken in about all of the pretrib rapture teachings in just a year.
I have been there and I can tell you love eschatology. Me too.
Still all of your points have been used by pretribulationists over and over again. Let me point a few out:
Luke 21: 36 "Pray that you may be accounted worthy to escape".
Have you compared this chapter with Matthew 24? In Matthew the word escape isnt used...but "flee" is. "Flee and Escape" are express synonyms. its the same account Luke is speaking of except in Matthew they "flee to the mountains". This is the context for both accounts. This is not a rapture event. Its a warning to escape from Judea.
Rev 3:10 "I will keep you from the hour of trial".
The church at Philadelphia whom he said that to was just 1 of 7 "churches" Jesus addressed. What then do you do with Rev 2:10 and Smyrna who is also "the church"? They are warned of martyrdom by our Lord himself. They lived and died 2000 years ago. The promise to the church at that time has come to pass for them long ago. Seven out of Seven of those Churches were all told the same thing: Endure. Persevere. That includes the church at Philadelphia...And this is what the church must always do. Those attributes are not reflections of pretribulationism or escapism.
Tribulation does not equate to a rapture. It never has. A rapture is assumed into the mind of a pretribulationist wherever they read of tribulation in scripture. The earths population is in tact during tribulation. Including believers. There will be no alarms or vanishings of believers to trigger the world. As you correctly pointed out they will be marrying and giving in marriage. Business as usual cause believers are still present with the world. Believers are the source of Tribulation. We are the objects of it. You cannot have Tribulation without believers. Tribulation is the wicked world applying pressure to believers because of their faith, even to death. Gods wrath is applied to the wicked as a result.
You have all the classic arguments of a pretribulationist. Im positive you learned much of this from people and places outside of scripture. Your hitting on too many classic pretrib arguments for it to be a coincidence of scripture. Case in point, you mentioned "the church age". The pretrib logic there is that God does not work with the church and Israel at the same time. This is convenient for the pretrib view because now they can find scriptures like Matthew 24 where tons of tribulation is present and say its not talking about the church. Its only for the Jews. Its ironic how Luke 21 is the same discourse as Matthew 24 but they apply Luke 21:36 to the church then pass off the tribulation of Matthew 24 to the Jews. As I said, its convenient but nothing more. If God stopped dealing with Isreal you couldnt explain how he gathered Israel back to the land he promised them and also made them a nation during the church age. Fact is God deals with both. He always has and he always will.
The blessed hope has nothing to do with any timing of the rapture. True believers dont lose their blessed hope because of a view they take on the rapture. It doesn't matter if your pre, mid, post. If you are a true believer standing firm and faithful in tribulation is what matters. So whether we live or die even before that time comes...if we see the rapture or not we will participate in the resurrection and be with the Lord. This is our great blessed hope.
Lastly, Id like to point out that you should NEVER make dates. Its a very bad idea. I can confidently say you will only be letting yourself down. Being wrong has a tendency to expose a lack knowledge and by setting dates we can just mark that exposure on our calendars.
Thank you PJ for expressing this so enlightening!! God bless! 🙏🏽
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You are really pushing it pastor, alot of people are going to fall away because they will not be prepared to stand through the seals and trumpets and they will fall before Satan.
How does one PREPARE for God's wrath?
@@lenorenail1934you prepare and look for rapture, if you are saved by the grace of God then why would you have to endure the wrath of God, wouldn’t that make Jesus a wife abuser, hey bride I gonna take you to a great feast but first I’m gonna beat you within an inch of your life, makes no sense does it, no Jesus loves his bride so much that HE lay down his life , he will protect his bride
Preparing for persecution… as always… not prefered although not entitled… the rain came after God shut the door …then the wrath… the wrath begins after the 7 th seal…before that is the 6 seals (the beginning of sorrows, which lines are perfectly with the birth pins that are described in Matthew 24) it’s very presumptuous to assume the six seals are God‘s wrath. It is persecution of man and wars, famine, and pestilence. It is not God‘s wrath that’s explicitly clear and scripture.
I so enjoy & just soak up your words when talking about or explaining the scriptures. I have learned so much, of the “TRUE GOSPEL” & learned so much more about Jesus, when listening to your understanding of the Scriptures. Thank you so much & May God continue to bless you, your family & your mission to help people to come to Jesus.🙏
I dreamed this morning of being at the beach with family and a friend and others it seemed like a holiday with people all around kind of how it feels on 4th of July it seemed like fall weather in the evening as some of us were warm enough and some of us were cold we had one blanket trying to decide how to sit and share it then it seemed to be the next day and all of us were doing our own thing the kids were exploring on the rocks I was at an outside salon where they had 2 women giving pedicures to one woman and we discussed the owners figured out this is faster and they can make more money with the women .We all received a very graphic in appropriate video on our phones from one person with us earlier .I was aggravated and shocked that she had no shame or conscience .Then had the thought but I won't say anything because I don't want to hurt or offend her . The man that was with us was no longer right with us but was absorbed by the video. Suddenly the sky was red red and we turned quickly to see the sun that was high in the sky over the water .It was so red and literally falling down sooooooo fast like nothing I can imagine. I said what just happened !Within moments it was getting dark the water was no longer calm then we were frantically worried and calling my grandchildren telling them to meet us where we were earlier .The 8 year old said ok but sounded doubtful .The waves were slamming up on the rocks already getting huge. I said there is going to be a Tsunami .And the worst part I knew this was everywhere and no where to go .I wanted to pray but had the impression it was too late and we were not where we are supposed to be with God . OCT 21 2021
How do "pre-tribbers" reconcile Matt 13, where Jesus said the Tares are gathered first to be burned in the parable of the Tares and Wheat.
All these verses in Psalms talking about God protecting us, keeping us, providing for us; I just don't see how all of these horrible things could be occurring to God's saints in the tribulation .
What about the persecuted church in China? Does God love us American Christian's more than them? Are you going to tell them, dont worry, God's going to take us out before it gets bad? This pretib doctrine can only be sold in countries that haven't experienced real persecution in years. Jesus in Matthew 10:24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
You must understand that there is difference between wrath and tribulation. We will go through the tribulation.
@@jesg6631 Yeah, they have it hard in China. God still protects them . As far as the Rapture, im open minded, but lean towards Pre-trib.
@@jesg6631 What about EVERY SINGLE SOUL WHO HAS PASSED ON SINCE TODAY?!?! Don't THEY get a "pass" too? You have no argument. There is a PURPOSE for the tribulation, and church age saints are NOT part of it.
@@Kman. Amen 🙏
@@Kman.
Really?
Good teaching. “Do we have a longing for His appearing or do we want to be right?” I want to be a person who is longing for the coming of the Bridegroom.
Acts 1: 10-11
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up,
behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
What manner did they see Him go?
Acts 1: 9
And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a CLOUD received him out of their sight.
They saw Him go in a CLOUD
HE shall so come in like manner
Rev. 1
7 Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev. 14
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Clearly the Son of man appears in the clouds after the beast and his mark.
Yup, and towards the end of the tribulation people will be longing for his appearance like never before.
I don't mind people thinking this because it is something we struggle with. However, there is NO biblical support for this stance.
After watching this video, I just simply didn't think Mr. Evans made a strong case. His is however the only believer I can think of that has switched his stance from post to pre so hats.off to him for that. Most believers I've encountered will not even consider post because of a cult like adherence to something they've been taught rather than something gleaned from scripture itself
Enoch and Elijah were raptured to the Heaven. Both of them never had physical deaths
@@jasonbourne5142 pastor Jimmy mentioned in the video that he was not sure 2 prophets that never had physical deaths. He said first, Elijah and Moses then he corrected saying Moses died after he continued the topic about the rapture
Maggie MiraCle I am trying to understand what you mean in this. Are you saying that this is a type of a pre-tribulation rapture?
PREPARE FOR LIFTOFF✈️
July 24, 2020
I saw Jesus standing in my house, with two angels by His side. I came to Him and said, “Lord, I’m not worthy, but You are worthy.”
He said, “Are you ready to go?”
“Yes, Lord, I’m ready!”
He said, “Prepare for liftoff.”
“Today Lord?”
“Said I not to make haste to prepare for My Arrival?”
“Lord, I’m not concerned for myself. I’m just concerned for all the souls who aren’t ready to meet You. What about them?”
“Just as I said to you, Beloved, he that is righteous, let him be righteous, and he that is holy, let him be holy. But the unbelievers and the profane shall have their portion in the Lake of Fire, which is the second death.”
“Lord, what can I do? Please use me.”
“Prepare for liftoff, Beloved. Dost thou have last words for thy unsaved family members?”
“Yes, Lord. I pray for them, that after we are lifted off they may remain faithful until death, and will not receive the mark of the Beast, which is the ID chip/ tattoo, or vaccine tied to the coronovirus.”
“I have heard thy prayer and have seen thy tears, My daughter. They that are with Me are called and chosen and faithful. Let him who hath ears to hear, hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.”
You can read more of my visions and messages from the Lord at
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Jesus is coming SOON!!!!
Do you think pre tribbers are in the same level as Enoch, Abraham and Ezekiel? You guys are off the charts with your arrogance.
@@ashleykindheartministries Goofy satanic Jesus bro.....you must burn it.
I believe rapture will be 3.5 yrs after the man of sin gets revealed as the son of perdition... when he gets killed, when he demands to be worshipped... as written in the Book.
This teaching was knocked out of the box . It was great ! Thank you all .
Revelation 4 describes John’s spiritual vision not a rapture of the church. In the spirit, John is given a view in the spirit realm. This is why the book is called, “The Revelation of Jesus Christ” by the Apostle John.
Yes, the whole letter is John's spiritual vision, but you also need to understand the 50,000 ft view of Revelation and the progression of the book. First it discusses Jesus (chapter 1), then the letters to the churches (chapters 2 & 3, which represents the church age), then the throne room of God (chapter 4, which represents the church in the presence of God - obviously raptured up prior to the tribulation), then the tribulation begins (chapters 5 - 19).
Pastor Jimmy Evans is great!
Dr. Heiser has a really interesting perspective on rapture and tribulation. It would be great if you guys could interview him on this topic!
I was thinking the same thing
That guy talks a lot but never really says anything.
@@clutch5sp989 Exactly... and he always talks like he's frustrated and doesn't want to be wherever it is that he's at..
@@clutch5sp989 Who? Dr Heiser?
@@drewhubbard9214 Yep
After 48 years of biblical research, I still believe the pretribulational, premillennialian view is the most consistent position. But I know other great teachers hold to the post, mid, or prewrath positions as well. Many are also postmillianial or amillillianial as well. The main thing is Christian’s believe Christ is coming back again in His glorified, resurrected body to take us home ! Amen brothers and sisters in Christ. ✝️
Amen. I believe this is true from scripture.
This is not scripture. Show me a rapture in the bible, and I will show you a mango grove in FL. Holy Roller Liar.
I only watched about 20 minutes of this video but I couldn't help but wonder why Jimmy Evans did not mention any scripture that plainly teaches there will be a pre trib rapture when he was asked what his go-to verses were. He just went on about OT stuff that has nothing really to do with a rapture. He did however, mention there would be a rapture after the tribulation as stated in Matt 24 where it is stated that immediately after the tribulation, Jesus would gather his elect from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
So Mr Evans acknowledges that there is a post trib rapture but he gives no scriptural reference stating that there will be a pre trib rapture. Even though I didn't watch the whole interview, I would think that if he had a verse that puts the rapture before the tribulation, he would have shared it in the go-to verses. (to me, go-to verses are the best you have to make your case)
And may I make a case to u to prove that none of the views are completely correct because they all believe that everything happens in seven years and it doesn't, I have 5 videos on RUclips under the title.
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
Just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title.
None of these views go far enough in there explanation of revelation, they skip a lot, if u watch my videos u will see how much they skip starting with the understanding of the sixth seal.
@@williamverdell8856 I think I found your videos. I watched one titled: "Pre Mid Post rapture all wrong Pt1. In it you gave a challenge that if anyone could prove you wrong, you would give them $10,000. Get your check book out 'cause it's super easy to prove you wrong.
You state that the trumpets/wrath of God all happen after the return of Christ and not in the tribulation period.
Therefore you say the worst tribulation the world has ever seen will be after the 7 year tribulation period. Jesus describes the tribulation immediately preceding his return like this: "For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again." Matt 24:21 NIV
So the events of Revelation cannot follow his return and be worse than what Jesus said would happen in the tribulation before his return because he said that distress would never be equaled again.
I do not need your $10,000 so if you could just donate it to a Christian charity, that would be great - preferably one that helps the poor. Thanks
Jimmy's 3 favorite verses never once mentioned a pretribulation rapture. Wonder why?
@@johnpeavey6557 Why? Because there aren't any verses that teach a pre-trib rapture!
He said " I'm saying what I'm saying based on scripture"
Based on a few scriptures completely taken out of context butchered out of their original context, to defend the doctrine that no one believed in less than 200 years ago
He glossed over the fact that after Noah was "taken" the reat were wiped out. Doesn't sound much like a tribulation - more like the end. Same with Lot - the day they were "taken" the town was wiped out - not one left. Sounds more like the the end than a tribulation, doesn't it?
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 is here. Brother Jimmy is a very good teacher.
believers are caught up immediately before the 2nd coming.
The verse in Thessalonians was supposed to be used to say what happened to Christians after that die, hence the "comfort on another with these words".
It wasn't meant to be a full account if the coming of Christ. Instead see Matthew 24. And revelation for example, "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days" it comes after the tribulation.
That's a description of the rapture. The timing is 1 Thessalonians 5
As someone who was taught mid-trib as a young Christian (I've since become convinced it's pre-trib), you must understand that those who take a mid-trib position have a reason behind it. They believe Christians MUST endure danger, persecution and hardships in order to strengthen their faith, cause them to take their faith more seriously, by which they will gain crowns. Mid-trib people have a valid concern that pre-trib is too easy, believers won't suffer to enrich their faith, they will lose opportunities for crowns and it's all about "escaping". That's why they will call pre-trib a "false teaching". However, this view is VERY American or "Western" in nature. What about Christians in India, North Korea, Sudan and Nigeria? Christians in Haiti, Pakistan or Turkey? You see, they have suffered enough and are certainly very eager for the return of their precious Christ they have sacrificed MUCH for. True, we lead comfortable lives in the US, Canada, England, and Australia. But anyone who thinks they just need to kick back and put their feet up and wait for Christ in their easy chair isn't listening to scripture at all! Paul emphatically tells believers---if you know then that His return is SOON, what manner of life will you live? You must live in holiness and righteousness and be sharing the Gospel with others. (paraphrase). Jesus is also looking for believers who "Love His appearing" (2 Tim 4:8) There's nothing wrong with being so sick of this world that you long to be with Christ...to finally see Him face to face and to be rid of your sinful flesh and receive your eternal body. As for me, I can hardly sleep at night! Please be patient and do not let a wedge come between you and a fellow believer with a different view. Try to understand where they are coming from, why they think their view is the right one and try to give a persuasive argument for pre-trib if they are open. But don't get into a fight, ok? As the song goes-- "His return is very soon so you better be believin' that our God is an Awesome God!"
For someone who says he's not dogmatic, he sure does come across as certain that "this is so clear and you're not reading it right if you don't see it like this"
The Kingdom of God is at hand. He is already seated at the right hand of God and we are called to reach and change the whole world. Why would He zip us away from the work He's called us to do?
Exactly
One of the best explanations I've ever heard supporting pre-trib rapture. Sadly delusion runs strong in the comments because people still don't believe in it. Smh!!
My friend you say delusion? Matthew 24 : 29 - 31 is my proof, Christ's Words. Daniel 10 : 21 the "restrianer " Open your hart and show me your's.
In our days men/woman do not teaches they deceive. ( 99.99% of them) 1 John 2 : 27.
God bless.
His argument saying the rapture occurs at the beginning of Daniel's 70th week can be disproven by Matt 24 where Jesus himself says immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun goes dark, moon wont gives it light and he gathers His elect. God's wrath and the tribulation are two different things.
Who are you to call the words of Jesus Christ a delusion? Matt 24:29-31
@@acolley2891 at 50 i was make to realize, Christ is all: not to obey His Words (Luke 6 : 46 - 49) is the " falling away " the "apostasy "
Even saying the word "rapture " is wrong, why? Because Christ teaches a event in Matthew 24 : 29 - 31 , called "gathering together "
"Rapture " is a replacement end event and it is false, because Christ teaches a event "gathering together "
God bless.
Thank You for the Teaching guys!! Maranatha even so!!!
Jimmy is a great teacher!
False teacher
@@newsbalance6685 No he’s not. You just don’t know Gods word so it appears that way to you.
@@johnnydough8841 you don't read only follow
It's clear if you read!
Great show. I love all things that confirm my belief that we will be taken away before the Trib. What amazes me is the amount of people who almost come to blows arguing about this. People of God should not argue about their faith. I always look for the motives and this is my belief, the only people who want to ward off the tribulation are those that serve or are influenced by Satan. To do this Satan must influence some people that we will all be subjected to the wrath, he believes that by telling people this, not only will it undermine their moral but also they will somehow fight the coming of what is inevitable because God will not come for us until each and every one of us written in his book are ready. The belief that he will save us from wrath tends to put people on guard to make them ready for him. Satan does not want that.
Jesus will not allow those faithful to God to be subject to his wrath because that is saved for those who are left. Those who are evil, selfish and who disobey God. Its very simple, God does not over complicate things, he leaves that to Satan. That is the God we worship, love and obey. He is everything.
Satan knows and understands the scriptures better than any human does that is why he is so good at scrambling the meanings, it pleases him no end when people argue over the words of God. Trust your heart. God loves us there is no doubt to that fact. He gave his one and only son to be sacrificed to save us. So bad was the torture of his son that even God had to turn away from it.
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@@madisonwilloughby9525 Thank you so much for the link, I will share.
@@Onotail That's great! Thanks so much! M.
@PlowsharesintoSwords You are out of your mind. Enjoy the tribulation.
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This is so intriguing to watch as a postmillennial. This is like listening to someone speaking a different language.
John Derby started this doctrine in the 19th century after hearing Margaret Mc Donald having a revelation from the Holy Spirit on this verses that The Lord returns twice instead of one in a famous rapture theory . I have one questions No scholar, no pastor , not theologian , not one brother has been able to answer me . Maybe one of you may be able to answer my question . Why the previous 18 centuries Christians had it wrong and never spoke about RAPTURE, why they were wrong? Why God waits over 1800 years to reveal this RAPTURE theory to his sons ?? It’s an honest truly no offensive question . I really appreciate your answer . I really hope after 10 years of asking someone can answer it God Bless you
Jimmy Sir has his facts in perfect place
You will be in a perfect place, when the antichrist gets a hold of your right hand or forehead believing in this lying holy roller.
Love pastor Jimmy! His teachings are phenomenal and eye-opening for all of us
Pre trib rapture is the lie of Lucifer , any one that teaches it is working for Satan .
@@leonardtaylor6526 Proof??
@@hannsolo51 Show proof of Jesus returning before the great tribulation . Show proof with the Bible.
@@leonardtaylor6526 pretty sure I asked you first! I didn’t make a claim as to what I believe yet so don’t assume. But if your gonna make a wild accusation like that I would except you to provide proof of that. I guess you can’t?
@@hannsolo51 I do not have a problem with providing proof that Jesus returns after the great tribulation . But what usually happens when I do that , the other person refuses to believe it . So judging by what you said in your 1st response , you do not believe in the truth of Christ returning after the great tribulation . You most likely believe in Satans lie of a fantasy pre trib return of Christ , or maybe you believe in a mid trib return of Christ . I am calling all Preachers that teach a pre tribulation return of Christ a liar . Proove me wrong with the Bible .
Thank you Pastor Jimmy Evans!
There is no pre tirb resurrection. The bible clearly says Jesus Christ is coming post tribulation. Just read 2 Thessalonians 1:3-10 2Thessalonians 2:1-8 1 1Corinthians 15:50-55 matthew 24:29-30. Revelation 20:4-6. 1 corinthians 15:23.
Jesus doesn’t come back for us twice…… Matthew 24:29-31 says it all.. summed up perfectly for us who want the truth
Post tribulational rapture cultists like to tell people how many times Jesus CAN COME! You limit God and you all worship a God who ABANDONS HIS Body to the Devil!
@@Pre-Tribulation Huh?!?!?! Cultists?? Dang Bro, that's cold. 😂
@@Pre-Tribulation Just keep adding to God's Word, and see what happens to you.
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Thank you for hosting such a warm conversation. This is a very important issue and although Jimmy Evans adds his own interpretation about the idea of a second rapture, it's critically important to be exposed to innacurate teachings and all teachings/doctrine are to be tested against the Word of God.
He never said second rapture. Only second coming. That’s for judgement
Jesus taught the gathering happens after the great tribulation and man of lawlessness is revealed.
I think one might pray that the body of christ would develop a confidence that they can understand the word for themselves and not leave it to others to explain it to them. An over-dependence on teachers reminds me of going back to Romish ways.
You obviously dont read the bible. Since thessalonians 2.2:6 clearly tells you when the Antichrist can reveal himself... the rapture will occur therefore BEFORE the Antichrist will start the tribulation.
@@ApeNutz you need to read it again it is so clearly only a dull heart would twist it. That day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed the son of perdition. When says that day it's it's referring back to the coming and gathering to the Lord in verse 1.
@@justinwilson3694 i dont understand,,, do you mean the rapture will not happen before the tribulation? Cause if thats whats your saying then you believe the great lie.
Then you absolutely dont understand the teaching of Jesus. All people that believe they will go tru the tribulation are lost.
We are the bride of Christ. Like a jewish tradition we drank from the cup and we are married to Jesus. He left his bride to build us a place in the house of His father. He will come back when His father tells Him its time. Therefore He will come as a thief in the night. No 1 will know the day or hour, only His father knows. All those that are married with Christ are the ones that will be waiting for Him to come pick up His bride. The tribulation is for those who missed the rapture and cannot enter His house anymore for exactly 7 years. After this 7 years He will return to earth to see if there is any Faith left on earth. This moment will not be like a thief in the night,... ( how can it be a surprise when the tribulation ends and you know he is comming)?
MY FRIEND, YOU SAID A DULL HEART... Only the people that wear the seal of God are not blind for these words and they do not fall, for the blindness created by the god of this earth.
I cry for the people that read scripture and still believe there is no rapture before the tribulation.
As for those people do not know or understand the true character of God.
As for God will ALWAYS save His children and wont punish the bride of Jesus.
He didn't punish Noah,.. He didnt punish Lot.
He wont punish His Bride.
You can read scriptures all you want, but if the Holy Spirit is not with you then you can not understand these words, nor you will see the secret that Jesus revealed before his disciples at the last supper.... he clearly waited to tell this untill judas left.
I will pray for those that have an empty heart.
For many will be deceived by the god of this planet.
Believing that there will be no rapture,... believing that u need to take a vaccin,... believing you will be in the tribulation... it means those are lost for ever.
I suggest you follow some teachings from J.D. Farag or Amir Tsafari to help you out.
And be fast cause time is running out VERY FAST!!
P.s. I dont need to read it again,... thessalonians 2 2:6 means: the bride (the withholder) needs to be removed before the Antichrist can reveal himself.
@@ApeNutz you believe i believe a lie. You are believing a lie Jesus did not nor ANY prophets teach a rapture or resurrection with new bodies before tribulation by Antichrist. Answer this question has the church restrained any Antichrist? The early taught they would go tribulation of man of lawlessness.
I enjoyed this program! I'm Post-trib so I don't agree with Pastor Jimmy's view on the pre-trib but I do agree with him to believe what the bible says. However I don't believe that the bible actually teaches a pre-trib rapture, I feel there is too much scriptural gymnastics that need to be done in order to get a pre-trib view.
I have to agree with you Brendan!
I have Read all of the New Testament and NOT ONCE have I ever found any man of God in Scripture including the Son of God ever Saying or ever Promising or ever Prophesying that The Coming of Jesus and the Resurrection is before the Tribulation!
Quite the Opposite!
Jesus the Son of God Promised and Prophesied and Taught the Apostles that His COMING is in the Days AFTER the Tribulation has ended!
Matthew, mark and Luke were Witnesses of what Jesus said and they Wrote it in Scripture and said the Same Truth as Jesus!
Paul the Apostle also Taught the same Truth about Christs COMING!
John the Apostle also said the same Truth!
Revelation is a Prophecy that Prophesys Christs Glorious COMING when the First Resurrection will take place!
We MUST come back to what they SAY and what they Teach!
Brenda Sorel, many people believe in a post-trib Rapture because they were shown how it’s clearly taught in Matt 24:29-31, but the pre-trib has to be pieced together and often from vague passages like the metaphorical eagles gathering when Jesus appears like lightning. Ironically, these facts prove that a post-trib Rapture is impossible because the Rapture was a hidden mystery of God before the Holy Spirit began revealing it thru Paul, and God hides mysteries in plain sight using things like parables and metaphors before revealing them thru his servants using plain language.
In other words, the fact that Jesus taught Matt 24:29-31 using clear language during the time when the Rapture was still a hidden mystery, he could not have been talking about the Rapture here. This proves the Rapture cannot happen “After the tribulation of those days..” at his Second Coming.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 I would have to disagree with you. If you compare Jesus' teaching on the last days with Paul you will see that Paul is actually echoing what Jesus taught. Paul actually isn't teaching something new he is teaching what Jesus already taught previously in the Olivet discourse. Each one of these is mentioned by Jesus then reiterated by Paul: temple desecrated, false prophets, future end time distress, birth pangs, lawlessness, apostasy, the parousia, coming on the clouds, trumpet for gathering, gathering, unknown times and seasons, unexpected destruction for the wicked, coming like a thief in the night, stay alert, the ungodly asleep.
@@brendansorel6433, I did not mean that Paul taught a different Rapture doctrine than Jesus. I am talking about how people don’t understand what Jesus taught about the Rapture because they ignore the fact that Paul said he was revealing a mystery while teaching about the Rapture, which means that the Rapture was a hidden mystery during Jesus’ ministry.
So since Jesus taught Matt 24:29-31 using clear language, he could not have been teaching about the still hidden Rapture mystery, and this disproves post-trib doctrine.
@@biblehistoryscience3530 I would assume you are referring to 1 Corinthians 15. Paul is specifically referring to our transformation at the Resurrection as the mystery revealed to him. The catching away of the believers is not mentioned even once in the entire chapter of 1Corinthians 15! That is not the focus here. These are NOT ‘rapture’ verses! The subject here is the resurrection and transformation of the believer. That is our hope: that Christ in us will on that Resurrection Day bring about a transformation to us and then we shall be as he is! That is the end result of God’s plan; that is the fulfillment of the mystery. We will have an immortal body like Christ does!
My husband feels it's a middle tribulation rapture. He has read that God had promised to protect us from his wrath. Reading Rev 15:1 it says the 7 vials are the last plagues and are filled with the wrath of God - further in Daniel 12:11 it indicates from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away and the abomination that makes desolate shall be 1,290 days to the end. The Anti-Christ is the one who ends the daily sacrifice and performs the abomination that makes desolate. That time is early in the anti-christ reign (middle of 2520 (7 - 360 day years is 1260 - 1290 is 30 days before the middle tribulation). Main point that leads me to believe it's Mid-Trib is the only thing God has said that is he will protect believers from his wrath which comes in in Rev15 and 16. To my husband the points that are being used as Pre-Trib rapture are kinda vague in their application towards the rapture.
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3
Why does no one ever address this verse.
@@TheSpiritualParentingPodcast In my experience, when they address it, the explanation usually gets convoluted rather than simply reading it as written and for what it says. Very few emphasize the “let no one deceive you in any way”. In the west, many just want to hear about promises of prosperity rather than “girding our loins” to prepare to stand in the face of persecution that brothers and sisters elsewhere deal with every day.
This is a great study.
Wow this is amazing. Thank you
I recently left the Catholic church after 57 years and I listen to these discussions to learn. I want the Rapture and believe we should prepare like there's a rapture but we could also face man's persecution and wrath beforehand. Remember Phillip was caught up after he baptized the Eunuch. Also Peter was raptured out of prison.
Yet both Phillip and Peter where martyred. It is not because God can not "rapture" us pre trib it is because the Word of God does not say we will be. Jesus said there where would be certain events occuring before hand in Matt 24, Paul said the antichrist and the falling away would occur first in 2nd Thessalonians 2. What we do know with out a doubt that His coming will visible to the whole earth. It will not be a secret. There will be cosmic events, the whole earth will mourn. The saints that are beheaded during the tribulation and those who have not worship per the beast will rule and reign for a thousand years. Rev 20
And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them. And I saw the souls of them that had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast, nor his image, nor had received his mark upon their foreheads or on their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years
So good! God bless you all
To use Revelation 4 as a rapture verse is irresponsible.
Once John gets to heaven... he sees a scroll but nobody is present who can open it. Nobody in heaven or on earth is found who can open it.
THEN, the lion of the tribe of Judah overcomes....
It is clear that this is a vision, not the rapture. Jesus isn't even present in the beginning of the vision, yet, "the Lord himself" will rapture the Church, he and his angels.
I loved this! I would also love to see a friendly debate between a pre-trib pastor and a pastor with the post trib view!
Read 1 Thes. 4: 15-17 the dead must be raised FIRST
Read John 6: 39, 40, 44, 54 the dead are raised at the last day.
add more days after the last day and GOD adds to you the plagues.
there is no debate.
Look up the great rapture debate on you tube
I'm so grateful for Remnant Radio! I'm actually mid-trib with a pause in the middle, which I don't think anyone else is! I've been studying Revelation deeply for a year, and I know many have studied much longer and much harder than I have, but I feel like the Lord has revealed things to me that make the entirety of the Word of God sync together like it absolutely never has before, all around Revelation. Such good stuff.
I'm attempting to write a book, and your emphasis (and Greg Keener's and Michael Brown's emphasis) on 2 Thes 1:5-10 is crucial! Thank you. I may be sticking my pre-trib/post-trib arguments in an appendix at the end because there is so very much to stuff into one book, but that passage will be covered quite thoroughly and explicitly because I recognize that it is really good evidence against the pre- and even mid-trib view - unless there is an actual appearing and revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ for all the world to see at the first rapture, that is! And so that's what I must prove with the Word. And I can do that!
Proving the bit about staying through the tribulation and the pause, though, when God has not destined us for wrath, that's going to be harder to nail down in a conclusive way. I do believe and will argue that there is a huge difference between destining us for wrath and allowing us to experience wrath. And of course, through much tribulation must we enter the kingdom of heaven.
You justify a pre tribulation rapture with ignoring Mathew and Jesus clearly telling us what to look for. And you believe in two raptures to justify your position. Not cool.
If you're talking about Matt 24:29-31, I see no rapture(harpazo) there.
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@@JesseMgala Paul describes a mystery which apparently means a new revelation. This may explain why not even Christ discussed in Matthew. But did Christ foreshadow it in John?
@@jeffcarr6853 John 14:1 "Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God ; believe also in me. 2 My Father's house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
Here's why I cannot get behind the argument: because Luke 17 has a parallel passage in Matthew 24 which is much more clearly speaking of the coming of the son of man in judgment (second coming), this passage cannot be speaking of a tribulation. He made too big of a deal out of the "eating and drinking" analogy from Noah and Lot, when the main point wasn't that people were chilling, but that the judgement came and Noah's family was rescued. The judgment in Luke 17 is associated with the coming of the son of man. So the rapture and the second coming are the exact same thing. This is what happens when you presuppose tribulation and dispensational premillenialism.
Ify Nsoha, the escape in the days of Noah represents how the church will be raptured when the world seems to be going along normally. As Noah moved to safety and the door was closed, the church will be moved to safety and the door of heaven will be closed, and in both cases this is followed by a long period of destruction on the other side of the door.
Regarding the metaphors of Jesus appearing like lightning when eagles take one person away from their home or workplace while another beside them is left behind, I’ve never heard any teacher who claims that this is about Armageddon explain why marked people and saints are marrying, and sleeping and working together during the time when saints are under a global death sentence. It makes no sense to me that, while saints will be under such pressure that many will betray brothers and sisters for execution, they will still be living and working with marked people right thru the great tribulation and Bowls of God’s. Can you explain this?
@@biblehistoryscience3530 no, it's presupposing the tribulation into the text. Here's why - the POINT of the text isn't that life will be going normally and then the church will be raptured while the earth is in trial. That's actually a very wrong way to read it because a person is imposing the "marrying and giving in marriage" and "eating and drinking" onto the days before the rapture. That's not Jesus point. The point is that like the wicked were taken (judged/destroyed) by the flood, so the church will be rescued from the flood.
But what IS the flood? Matthew 24 and Luke 17 are parallel passages. The flood in Matthew 24 is the coming of the son of man, the second coming.
If you think Luke 17 is about the tribulation, here's the problem - during the tribulation people are still on the earth. During the flood NO ONE was on the Earth besides Noah's family. The others were DEAD, not suffering for seven years. So clearly you cannot read into one everything that is true about the other. The ones taken are the judged, just like the ones taken by the flood are the ones who died. The ones left are the saved, just like the ones left in Noah's day were his family. Dispensational premillenialism is a wrong way to read scripture.
First, read every passage where Jesus speaks of this age and the age to come, and write down what is true about this age and what is true about the age to come. You'll realize something pretty shocking.
Second,
Read every single passage about the second coming of Christ and what happens. Write that down.
Then think - if a rapture, seven year tribulation, the second coming, then a millennium with death and rebellion and sinners being alive still happening AFTER Jesus has returned is what the pre trib rapture view holds, and the Bible says there are two ages (the one now and the one to come) and that Jesus comes and brings the new creation at his coming, then the pre trib rapture view must be very, very false.
@@Iffmeister, Jesus said it would be like the days of Noah with people marrying and giving in marriage before Noah and his family moved to safety, and people didn’t understand until the Flood came. Then he described what this represented in the future when people sleeping and working together then one is taken and another beside them is left behind.
All I have done is to observe the very details that Jesus used and then noted that people marrying and giving in marriage, sleeping and working together, while being oblivious to an imminent calamity obviously describes normality before disaster, or as Paul taught while explaining about the Rapture, the world will say peace and safety and then fall into the sudden destruction of the great tribulation.
On the other hand, you expounded on what Jesus said to add new details then came to a conclusion based on your own details. For example, you said the following:
“If you think Luke 17 is about the tribulation, here's the problem - during the tribulation people are still on the earth. During the flood NO ONE was on the Earth besides Noah's family. The others were DEAD, not suffering for seven years.”
But the contrast that few people were on earth after the Flood while many people will be on the earth and will be suffering at the end of the great tribulation was not even hinted at by Jesus, so it doesn’t have anything to do with anything. You were reading into the text while falsely claiming that I was. And you ignored my question about the fact that saints will not be sleeping and working with wicked people who took the mark of the beast and who hate and kill saints. The eagle metaphor clearly represents the rapture before the great tribulation not the second coming after it ends and God’s wrath is poured out.
You said “The ones taken are the judged, just like the ones taken by the flood are the ones who died.”
The ones swept away in the days of Noah were being judged, but the ones left behind in the days of Lot were being judged, and teachers who claim that one example unlocks the metaphor of the eagles never give the reason why they chose days of Noah over the days of Lot (nor why the wheat are sleeping with the tares). Clearly, Jesus didn’t mean either of these similes to unlock the metaphor, so those teachers made up that connection to explain away the fact that the eagle metaphor sounds like the Rapture rescue.
You said “First, read every passage where Jesus speaks of this age and the age to come…”
I suggest that you re-read these scriptures, but this time keep in mind the fact that the Rapture was a hidden mystery of God during Jesus’ ministry, and God hides mysteries in plain sight using the veiled language of things like parables and metaphor before he reveals their meaning, so Jesus never taught about the Rapture using clear language. And understand that the Holy Spirit began revealing the Rapture mystery thru Paul who then taught it using clear language. Only then can you understand when Jesus could not have been teaching about the Rapture (like in Matt 24:29-31), and when he may have been (and in fact was in Matt 24:32-51, 25:1-13, and Luke 17:26-37).
@@Iffmeister I agree with you on many points. I believe pre trib dispenstaion is wrong. But I'm willing to discuss things with other true believers that disagree with me.
@@madisonwilloughby9525 I've heard every single argument for it. They don't work because they presuppose something that is false - that Spiritual Israel and the Church are two different entities.
As of 8/3/2020,, There are almost as many comments on the 2 rapture shows (619 total comments),, as there are on the rest of the shows combined (680 total going back to 5/25/2020)... Most of which are ARGUING between “Christians” over who is right or wrong,,, or when,, or who started it,,, or when did it begin,,,,???? This may not matter to some,, but when the world sees us fighting among ourselves over this issue,,, they have room to laugh and criticize,, because we give it to them!!! JESUS said to his disciples,, just before He was crucified,, A new commandment I give unto you, That ye LOVE one another; as I have Loved you, that ye also Love one another.. By THIS shall All men know that ye are My Disciples,, if ye have Love one to another!!! (John 13: 34-35). I do understand rebuke and reprove... But,, if we can’t stop being hateful and condescending,, could we at least agree on NOW JESUS, instead of WHEN JESUS!!!!! There are still lost souls out there!!! Love y’all!!!
In the Olivet discourse, it says that 'you are the salt of the earth, what if the salt looses its flavor.' I believe that Jesus is asking us what will happen after the Rapture.
Excellent interview, covered in goosebumps all the way through. Thank you for this.
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Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
jimmy and the Rapture nuts
"You keep saying that word,I do not think it means what you think it means,"
Just to put something down, why would the church as it is right now be pulled out of this fire? Yes the world is crazy and people spit in the face of Jesus but from how God describes it it'll be way worse than it is now. We need to unite and push the Kingdom Forward then you'll see what God has planned a little more. No one knows the hour or day.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
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Did not say he is wrong nor is pre rapture wrong on basis of Scripture. The thing is America is the only place the church talks about a rapture. Look at the bible for your self and talk to God do not lean on your own understanding nor people who interpret scripture and tell all they should look at it through their lenses. Reflect on yourself with God. What I'm stating is there is more to what the Bible and the people who wrote it are saying Highly recommend looking at Dr. Michael Heiser' s work and Dr. Ken Bailey's work also.
@@madisonwilloughby9525 one thing is if it gives you comfort then who am I to stand in that and tell you you are wrong, it's my interpretation. American interpretation is a bit off mainly because our culture. God gave me a thought to meditate on, what if time is an ocean He fishes, and once His Church is pulled out of time and history the end will be. Mainly thinking on what is time in God's eyes and then ours? What if the last Christian believer dies on Earth? What stops the wrath then? God gives evil over to evil. Look at Bible Project, Dr. Ken Bailey and Dr. Michael Heiser. God bless
@@reddbutton2711 I'm sorry, I understood nothing of what you said past if it gives me comfort.
Eventhough i no longer hold to a pre trib rapture view, it would be interesting to see a debate between Keener and Evans, particularly when it comes to rebuttles.
The elect who are on earth during the tribulation are people who got saved during the tribulation due to the 144000 jewish evangelists proclaiming salvation, it is not the Church. The Bride is rapture before the rapture. Revelations talks about "the saints who ESCAPED the rapture". There were multitudes of saint in heaven who escaped. To escape means that you didnt go through it.
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@@jesuslovesyou1921 i have a few questions for you: Do you actually read the Bible? Where in the Bible, in the Book of Revelation does it mention "the Saints who ESCAPED the Rapture"? How can you believe in this crazy notion that Christians who give their lives for the testimony of Jesus in the worst period in history (the Great tribulation) are actually not part of the Bride, ie. the Church? The reason i stopped believing in the rapture occuring before the tribulation is because i) it is not in the Bible, and ii) many passages in the Bible contradict that idea. Authority is in the Bible, not necessarily what people preach or claim to know the interpretation of.
@@amcds2867 in Luke chapter 21 verses 34-36 Jesus tells us to pray that we worthy to escape all these things that are to come upon the earth. I have a question for you when will the supper of the lamb take place in a post tribulation rapture. In the king James bible Revaluation chapter 19 verses 6 to 21 the church is in heaven and we are no longer the bride but we are the wife. And this is before Jesus comes in the second coming
@@dalesmyrnios5365 read my previous comment to see just some of the Biblical reasons why your view of a pre-tribulation rapture is not in the Bible. How can you believe there is a feast going on in Heaven between Jesus and His Bride while other Christians are sacrificing their lives for the sake of the Gospel in the world during the most terrible time in human history? In regards to your reference to Luke 21:36, the Book of Revelation encourages the Saints to overcome: Revelation 2:7, 11, 17, 26 and 3:5, 12, 21 all these verses start with "The one who conquers...".
Mark 13:24 - 27
“But in those days, AFTER THE TRIBULATION, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. AND THEN they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. AND THEN he will send out the angels and GATHER HIS ELECT from the four winds, FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH to the ends of heaven.
The rapture occurs after the tribulation.
@@amcds2867 This is how I believe the church is in heaven while the tribulation is happening on earth. Rev. 19:6 And i heard as it were the voice of a great multitude and as the voice of many waters and as the voice of mighty thundering saying, Alleluia for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. Verse 7. Let us be glad and rejoice and give honour to him for the marriage of the Lamb has come and his wife has made herself ready. Verse 8. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen clean and White for the fine linen is the Righteousness of Saints. Verse 9 and he said unto me write Blessed are they which are called unto the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. And he said to me this is the true sayings of God. Verse 11 And I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True and in righteousness he does judge and make war. Verse 14. And the armies which were in Heaven followed him upon White horses clothed in fine linen white and clean. The church is clearly in heaven the marriage has taken place and we are dressed in fine linen and following Jesus to earth for his second coming.
Before this video I was post-trib pre-wrath. After listening 3 times I now agree with Jimmy - a pre-trib rapture makes the most sense. THANK YOU!