So much uncritical and ignorant negativity in the comments. They addressed the topic and answered the questions posed to them with credible responses. Apparently, simply hearing opposing views leads to irrational outrage and paranoia.
I'm a Christian I found out I have a Muslim cousin...guess what? I absolutely love her!! welcome to the family you've always been here,I never knew you but I love you!
Islam promotes tolerance لَّا يَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يُقَٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِي ٱلدِّينِ وَلَمۡ يُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوٓاْ إِلَيۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِينَ (Sahih International) Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. -Surah Al-Mumtahanah, verse 8 Islam promotes kindness ۚإِنَّ رَحۡمَتَ ٱللَّهِ قَرِيبٞ مِّنَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good. -Surah Al-A'raf, verse 56 NOT EVERY MUSLIM IMPLEMENT ISLAM PROPERLY. Terrorist who tell they are muslim don't implement islam properly. To have better understanding about Islam please take closer look at quran and hadith. People can't simply conclude that Islam is cruel , agressive etc just by looking dozens of quran verses or hadith or by looking terrorist action. *Those are more than 6000 quran verses and more than 500000 hadith* . *If you want to know better about Islam, please learn all of those quran verses and hadith carefully. USE* *OBJECTIVE THINKING, NOT HATE.* This may take many years. Thanks
deluded, but in islamic countries you are second classes and got no rights, thats a facts, besides many muslims are decendants of capitive christians and jews, who the muslims capture by force, facts
No-one discussed the central problem. Most religions are full of heinous ideas, but Christian's, Jews, Buddhists etc view religious texts as written by human prophets who are fallible and that allows us to deviate from the written texts, but Muslims believe the Koran is the absolute word of God and therefore deviation is not allowed.
You may not be aware that our countries Puritan colonists outlawed all Bibles in the New World except their version of the King James Bible. They cut out several books of the Bible that are still not found in versions here but are in the British King James Bible. The Catholic church believes the Bible is God's word alone for a long time. Some sects still take the Bible literally so it is not just some of the Muslims that believe their religious text is God's word that cannot be deviated from.
Wow thats quite condescending. Discussion about "Islam and Politics" off course it has to be Muslims debating it, that was the whole point of the discussion. It would have been much more interesting if proper Muslims Scholars, Shia n Sunnis, were debating it. Although these two gentlemen did a fair job but they also lack knowledge of Shariah. And we have debates like these within our communities where issues are debated by Scholars who might be inclined towards a more extremist view n Scholars who might have a more moderate view, and somewhere in between the two views most of us individuals identify ourselves.
Ali Khan I just meant it would have been interesting to hear a non-Muslim perspective. Obviously there are many different viewpoints within Islam, but there’s still going to be some bias towards Islam from that standpoint. If there was some fault with Islam, which there may or may not be, Muslims would be much less inclined to point it out.
1. This was not a debate. 2. The topic of discussion was about Islam and Politics and so it makes sense to have 2 experts on the topic even if they are Muslim.
Syed Ahmed what happens if you take the religion of Jainism to the extreme? Does that lead to flying planes into buildings with the aim of killing as many innocent civilians as possible? Why are there no Palestinian Christians knife attacking civilians in "defense" or suicide bombers? Extremism is only bad if there's room with the doctrine for justification.
This Oxford Union presentation is one of the finest attempts at bringing the simple truth to the viewers. It is thus sad to note the hatred in the comments section. If one were to view this presentation with an open mind and an unprejudiced heart - I say that in that order - one can connect with the truth that is being presented. No one is saying that Muslims are the best, or that Muslims are perfect beings, but to blame a religion ?! Doesn't that say how insecure and prejudiced these people are within themselves ? Yes, there is definitely a lot of dead wood stuck on to the Ship of Islam - but does that deserve such obscene and foul-mouthed language of hatred and abuse ? If you don't like Islam, so be it. At least be courteous to your ownselves by using language that doesn't betray your insecurities and your ignorances, with all due respect. We are what we think. And our words speak for ourselves only.
Islam doesn't like me first. I was minding my own business until MUHAMMAD came and started warring with everyone who says "thanks but no thanks" Apparently we are the worst of creatures. Save it mate.
So very true. The same can be said about Christianity. The Crusades, burning of heretics within Christianity. Let's not forget the Cathars in France when a pope ordered a crusade against other Christian people who worked hard to follow the example of Christ's life and words. But they believed that you could pray to God directly without a priest so they were destroyed for it.
@@blackmancool9983 Apparently, you know Islam just from media education. I do understand that you are neither a scholar on it, nor its follower. You don't need to be both or either to know if you are right, or, if you are just prejudiced. All you need to know is to read. If you can do that, just read it from its original source. And if you can see, just see it for your own self. You may then wonder how you ever thought negative about a Prophet called Muhammed, peace be upon him. A Prophet who believed in Jesus and Virgin Mary, peace be upon them. Don't take my word on it. Just check it out yourself from authentic sources. The genuineness of your source will direct you to the truth.
@@nancykraus5127 Yes, believers over the ages have been oppressed, tortured and killed for just believing that one could pray directly to The Almighty.... The Story of the Sleepers is specially mentioned in the Noble Qur'an. It's a beautiful incident that happened to a group of young men who escaped to a cave to avoid being caught and killed because they chose to believe in a God who could be reached one on one.
All those posting the negative comments think we the Muslims would wonder. But we have been foretold of you, such people, in the Noble Qur'an that "some people have chosen to put a covering on their hearts, vision and hearing. So it is equal to them whether you speak to them or not for they have no perception". And I tell you we Muslims are not tasked to convert. All we have to do is tell the message and leave you to think and, or ponder. Indeed Islam is not for the dumb and/or people so indoctrinated that they could perceive no good other than what they already know. I hope the Allah give such people the strength to at least challenge themselves.
Mr Brown's challenge to the label of 'progressive' we appoint to the West is redundant. The West is considers itself progressive, not 'progressed'. We do not suppose ourselves to be perfect. The verb 'progressive' is continuous, it expresses an action still in motion, so naturally the West is still riddled with social/political issues, as we're a society still striving to improve ourselves.
Great, at 13:30 he says, "I hope it's okay to say that." I don't even know what he said and he is worried about saying it. Not a full panel discussion if the speakers are worried about what they are saying and if it is okay.
Currently 30 minutes in and wondering where the debate is since the two speakers are coming from an Islamic perspective so where is the debate, the counter, the rebuttal? Not sure I'll spend more time listening to a discussion from a singular perspective since how do I know if they are telling the truth and being accurate. Not the best approach from Oxford Uni to have a platform for Islam. Fine in an Islamic society but not one billed for a wider audience.
It says DISCUSSION! The fact that you expect a two -side debate proves you have preconceived notions about the ill Islam and it's more correct counter equivalent. You simply enjoy clashes, which is the fundamental issue with humans.
It says "discussion" not a debate. Why Don't you share your critical contribution here. If you don't see Western encroachment and interference decapitating any hope of self determination then you are blind.
You mean the only muslim & democratic country in the world, not the largest, right? Because besides Indonesia there are none, only monarchies and autocraties which proves that democracy and islam don´t have a lot of common ground.
+Accelerationist They propagate Islamic supremacy almost everyday at OIS and HIS. They steal our achievements and try to make it their own. We need to ban Islam before it's too late!!!
+Accelerationist Oxford Centre of Islamic Studies and Harvard Islamic Society. Actually every university in the UK has Islamic studies as a private course for Muslim students who just finished A'levels.
ca. 26:00, the speaker described the very reason for the separation between church and state as well as the very manner in which Islam hampers progress.
noimnotnice because the initial commentator was insinuating that this was some sort of propaganda that was being shoved upon the people. As far as I’m aware this was an informative discussion about Islam and Politics by two experts on the field courtesy of the Oxford Union. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch if they’re not interested in the topic.
19:43 the claim that israeli law took ideas from the sharia is one of the dumbest things i've heard. how can you bring a panel of muslims to talk critically about Islam?
silence of the west=agreement with tyranny and authoritarian regimes in muslim countries.....who needs an external colonists in this situation
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First speaker is "B S" Islam violence started with Mohammed and never stopped, today slavery in Saudi Arabia Slavery in Bahrain Libya etc. ISLAM = Violence.
The American speaker converted to Islam in 1997. He holds the Alwaleed bin Talal Chair of Islamic Civilization at Georgetown University See Jonathan A C Brown Wikipedia
Im from Malaysia as well. Political Islam? Why not? but of course, it has to address some key points such as 1) Minority religion right to practice and propagate including to Muslims 2) Freedom to practise any religion, freedom from religion and leave the religion. 3) LGBT rights including to have a family and career. 4) Minority political rights. If political Islam addresses all the above clearly than secular liberal politics for the above issues, I would say why not. Name no matter, content is.
Andy so hu made u. Have u cinsider that..? Allah sw is da one hu created me n u. He is da ONLY one who can give or can take life away. He is da hu gives u da oxygen. N here u r denying him..yet he can kill u instantly..n thus u r in a grave. Pls. Think..thst is if u have a mind...or may be not.
@@1982haids look at Afghanistan, look at turkey, look at Islamic African countries. Where Islam goes war, oppression, and corruption follow. The Qur'an was written by a conquerer not a peace maker.
@@davidirvine7238 let’s put some perspective on this. Did Islam result in 1 million deaths in iraq following an illegal invasion? Did Islam drop a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima, or kill 5 million Jews? Was Islam responsible for 2 world wars? Is Islam responsible for the weekly mass shootings in the U.S.? Does Islam steal the natural resources of other countries? Are Muslims persecuting other religions in concentration camps? Wake up man.
//Islam sets a purpose for life It is a comprehensive lifestyle - based on justice and equality - it carries solutions to all life's problems - suitable for every time and place, free of contradictions and myths - it rejects all forms of religious and class distinction - He holds the scientific lead (the stages of fetal development - the ascent into space ... and) supported by logic. Reason - enable yourself to hear it to realize the truth - by comparing it with other holy books, will you find the true religion?
Celestial Teapot What has that to do with the topic, you absolute dimwit! A question to you; Are you courageous enough to see revert videos on RUclips? More people join Islam than that are leaving, whether you like it or not, and despite your infinite propaganda against Islam!
Dan Delgado It’s funny that despite having no “blasphemy laws” in Europe and North America AND Australia , its STILL the fastest growing in those regions plus most of the new adherents are FEMALES with university degrees. You can’t hate facts. I was born and raised in the West (Netherlands and now the US), yet I’m still a Muslim who is stricter than my parents. You can’t defeat truth with propaganda. 😊
59:35 is exactly the situation happening in Malaysia and its only getting worse by the day. Left and right we have stupid extremist boycotting here and there. I give you an example ... as of this comment just 2 days ago there was a news of the local convenience store selling a socks with the work Allah stitched on it and then people started boycotting the local store chain ... I means its just ridicules .... The owner of the local store chain even came out to apologies and it was actually not done on purpose as it was just a cheap item brought in from China to sell in their convenience stores.
It is interesting why they did not bring Rachil Raza or Ian Haris Ali to bring the figures on the percentage of Muslims who support jihad and anti-gay laws / equal rights for women / atheism. The data show that it is hundreds of millions.
One way discussion. He is saying sariya is a fantastic. Is he mad? Is there any Islamic countries which have oxford like institutions where guys from all religions can learn and discuss anything freely.
hahaha , are u stupid ? , u can discuss anything freely almost anywhere , either in arabic/asian...etc , ever heard of a matter called philosophy , yeah everyone (have oxford like institutions where guys from all religions can learn and discuss anything freely.)
Allah is the Creator. He is not created. Allah existed ever and He will exist for ever. Almighty Allah has mentioned many signs in Qur'an proving His existence. For example: EXPANDING UNIVERSE. IN HOLY QUR'AN ALMIGHTY ALLAH THE MASTER CREATOR Who can claim 1350 years ago that the universe is expanding? والسماء بنينها بايد و انا لموسعون o " And the heaven We built it with power, and indeed, We are the expander " (And We it is Who make the vast extent, thereof ) (Qur'an, 51:47) Until 1931, physicist Albert Einstein believed that the universe was static. An urban legend attributes this change of perspective to when American astronomer Edwin Hubble showed Einstein his observations of redshift in the light emitted by far away nebulae - today known as galaxies. After Hubble discovered that the universe was expanding, Einstein called the cosmological constant his "greatest blunder." At around the same time, larger telescopes were being built that were able to accurately measure the spectra, or the intensity of light as a function of wavelength, of faint objects. It is clearly mentioned in Holy Qur'an : " And the heaven We constructed with power, and indeed, We are the expander " (Qur'an, 51:47) Almighty Allah is the Master Creator of the whole universe.He says: Should He not know what He created? And He is the Subtile, the Aware. The knowledge of scientists is very limited and poor to understand the universe!! But theirs constant efforts to understand the universe is highly admirable and they are praiseworthy indeed. DR.MOHAMMAD LAEEQUE NADVI Ph.D. (Arabic Lit.) M.A. Arabic Lit.+Islamic Studies) Directorr Amena Institute of Islamic Studies & Analysis A Global & Universal Institute, Donate to promote this Institute SBI A/C30029616117 Kolkata,Park Circus Branch nadvilaeeque@gmail.com Thank
Consider 12 similarities between God and the United States Government: (1) God is a Spirit - cannot be seen or touched. The U.S. Government is a spirit - cannot be seen or touched. (2) We read about God on papers - the Bible. We read about the U.S. Government on papers - the United States Constitution. (3) God not only create, He also destroys. The U.S. Government not only create, it also destroys. (4) God makes Laws to govern His people. The U.S. Government makes Laws to govern its people. (5) God has the powers to forgive and to restore His enemies. The U.S. Government has the powers to forgive and to restore its enemies. (6) God has the powers to work His wills in and through the lives of people. The U.S. Government has the powers to work its wills in and through the lives of people. (7) God is a “Trinity”, because within the ‘Oneness of God’ there are three different Natures: (1) Father, (2) Word of God, and (3) Spirit of God. The U.S. Government is a “Trinity”, because within the ‘Oneness of the U.S. Government’ there are three different natures: (1) Executive Branch of Government, (2) Legislature Branch of Government, and (3) Judicial Branch of Government. (8) The word “Trinity” is not mentioned in the Bible, but the Bible revealed God as a “trinity” in whose ‘oneness’ the three different Natures of God are co-existing and are co-equal. The word “Trinity” is not mentioned in the United States Constitution, but the United States Constitution revealed the U.S. Government as a “trinity” in whose ‘oneness’ the three different natures of the U.S. Government are co-existing and are co-equal. (9) Each one of the three different Natures of God is God, Himself. Examples: (1) God’s Nature called “Father” is God, Himself; (2) God’s Nature called “Word of God” is God, Himself; and (3) God’s Nature called “Spirit of God” is God, Himself. Each one of the three different natures of the U.S. Government is the U.S. Government, itself. Examples: (1) The U.S. Government’s nature called “Executive Branch of Government” is the U.S. Government, itself; (2) the U.S. Government’s nature called “Legislature Branch of Government” is the U.S. Government, itself; (3) the U.S. Government’s nature called “Judicial Branch of Government” is the U.S. Government, itself. (10) God took one of His three Natures called “Word of God”, clothed or covered Him in human skin (Jesus), and sent Him into the world to save lives. The U.S. Government took one of its three natures called “Executive Branch of Government”, clothed or covered it in human skin (soldiers/militaries/CIA/ambassadors), and sent them into the world (Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan) to save lives. (11) God’s Nature called “Word of God” (operating inside human skin - Jesus) correctly said, “I am in my Father and my Father is in me. I and my Father are one. If you have seen me, you have seen my Father.” The U.S. Government’s nature called “Executive Branch” (operating inside human skin - soldiers/militaries/CIA/ambassadors) may correctly say, “I am in the U.S. Government and the U.S. Government is in me. I and the U.S. Government are one. If you have seen me, you have seen the U.S. Government.” (12) Deuteronomy 6:4 reads, “Hear O Israel, the LORD, our God is one LORD.” But God is a Trinity. Deuteronomy 6:4 could also be read, “Hear O American people, the government, our U.S. Government is one government.” But the U.S. Government is a trinity. Message of the Bible is acceptably simple: God is one. Within His “Oneness”, there are three different Natures: (1) Father, (2) Word of God, and (3) Spirit of God. One day, God in His infinite wisdom and powers, took one of His three Natures called “Word of God” or “Word”, and placed Him inside the Womb of the Virgin Mary. Nine months later, a Child is born. The Child, naturally, is both the “Son of God” and the “Son of Man. The Apostle John, in two verses, explains it this way: John 1:1 reads, “In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” and in John 1:14 the Apostle added this: “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as the only begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and full of truth.” In other words, Jesus is one of God’s Natures who is covered in human skin. That is what the Prophet Isaiah meant when he said, “The Child will be the Father of Himself.” Isaiah 6:9 reads, “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given…His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.” The trinity does not seek to add unto that which already exists; but rather to make distinctions among its different natures. Example: The “Atom” already exists. The trinity makes distinctions among its three different natures: (1) Protons, (2) Neutrons, and (3) Electrons. As a human being, you are made in “the Image and the Likeness of God” - (Genesis 1:26). God is a trinity, so are you; because within your “oneness”, you have three different natures: (1) body, (2) spirit, and (3) soul. Your body is you, your spirit is you, and your soul is you. But your body is not the same as your spirit, and your spirit is not the same as your soul. However, each you (body, spirit, and soul), by itself, is actually you. In fact, on the day you die, people will refer to your body as your “remains” (left-behind or left-over). If your body is your “left-over” or “left-behind”, then where did the rest of you go? This can only make sense if within your “oneness” you are more than one you. And in this case, you are a “three-in-one” - you are a trinity. The Science of Natural Laws support the trinity. It states, “Whatever is ‘one’ is a unity of many different natures or components (things).” Examples: The water molecule is one. It is a unity of two different natures: (1) Hydrogen and (2) Oxygen or (H2O). Time, within its “oneness”, is a unity of three different natures: (1) Past, (2) Present, and (3) Future. Space is one in three natures, or dimensions, or (3Ds): (1) height, (2) width, and (3) depth. The universe is a unity of three different natures: (1) Time, (2) Space, and (3) Phenomenon - everything we can see, hear, feel, smell, and taste.” This is full display in the very first verse of the Holy Bible - Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space), and the earth (Matter / Phenomenon).”
A group of open border communist students invites Islamic scholars to explain why the Islamic atrocity everywhere in West Europe. What the islamic scholars did not say is your open border communism invited the killings that they suffer everyday in the Middle East. Virtual signalling always cost, but it has never been the lives of the Limousine communists and their oxcambridge offsprings.
@dreamland Its that simple because Anglo-saxon colonialists imposed their language on us and hampered natural development of Asia and Africa. So we have every right to wish them same, as they did to us but we don't wish same violence, torture and sufferings to them. We just want to snatch from them the right to speak their language so that they realise what they did to people of Asia, Africa and latin America.
@dreamland First, All knowledge and technologies are common heritage of all human beings so there is no question my technology and your technology, western or estern technology. Second, i am not against learning any language per se be it English, French, Arabic or Mandarin but i am against colonial imposition of any language on any other language. What English or French did to people of Asia or Africa is not a benign teaching of French or English instead they imposed French and English by force and attached education, employement, upward mobility and respect in society with English and French and made all colonialized people hate their languages cultures and heritage. Colonialism has not ended yet, in all post colonial societies prestige and employment are still attached to English and French and still natives are being insulted on speaking their mother tongues. Call me a Jihadist, redical or whatever but if you support such kind of terrible colonialism which is hampering natural growth of our societies, you are just another brainwash child of colonialism not a fellow human being to us, who don't understand what is going on with weak nations and who don't stand with all oppressed people regardless of their race colour or religion.
@dreamland Punjabi is my mother tongue and its 9th largest language of world and we Punjabies are 3rd largest ethinic group of south Asia, 1st of Pakistan but colonial trained elite class of Pakistan has imposed English on us and they don't allow teaching of Punjabi in our schools so common Punjabies are brainwashed to the core that they hate speaking their language with their own Children thats why Punjabi is becoming an endangered language. Just imagie they are doing this with 9th largest language of world what would be fate of other little 7000 thousand languages of the world. They want to make a world which blindly imitate English or French Spanish or other two or three dominant languages. And we are fighing to save linguistic diversity of world and if this is some kind of Jihad then i am proud of it.
@dreamland "Tell me if Easterners hate the Westerner way of life so much, why do they line up out the door to migrate to western countries" There are plenty of reasons behind it but i will shed light on 5 obvious ones. 1.Political Colonialism 2.Linguistic Colonialism 3.Economic Colonialism 4.Military Colonialism 5. Brainwashing through Hollywood/Propoganda electronic and social Media outlets. 1. Colonail Imposed Kings, Colonial trained and colonial imposed Military dictators, Military bureaucracies, English/French civilian bureaucracies, English/French imposed Feudal lords and now Capitalist corporate Mafias. 2.Imposition of English and French languages on common people of all post colonial societies. These colonial trained elite classes are more loyal to their western masters than to their people. They deposit all their looted wealth in western banks and their families are settled in west. 3.Ongiong Western economic colonialim through IMF/WB/Private Banks/State Banks(Economic hitmen) Multinationals. 4. Bombing and destruction of African and Middle eastern countries(libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen etc). 5. Constatnt propganda of superirity of white race and westen civilization. This propoganda started during colonial period by imparting racial superiroity and inferiority theeories in English and French education systems and reached to its zenith in our global age through Holloywood/western electronic Media outlets and social media outlets. When you make people hate their own languages, colour, religion, traditions, customs, dress codes and everything native then who will want to stay back in their hated lands????Everyone will love to go to supposed paradise in west constructed by focre of sheer propoganda and constant lies. The list of crimies of colonial powers is much longer but they block you if you expose them.
@@TajamalGhumman Actually that already happened in Britain even . The English stopped the Scottish from speaking their language and now it is nearly lost
According to me the answers were inappropriate. Though I appreciate their deep knowledge but, they are just diverting every questions and advocating the reoigion but no religion is perfect. We should accept the loopholes and appreciate wherever it's needed. With utmost respect.
Islam is not ONLY a religion in the connotation of the word. It is a total way of life. You need to know more about Islam to appreciate my statement. For example, Islamic Economics is much better than the so called Western Economics thought. India reached its apex when it was ruled by Muslim Mughal Empire. The sciences and mathematics were enriched by the Muslims while the Christian Europe was burning scientist and free thinkers on stake especially during the inquisition. Sadly, many people restrict their understanding of Islam on the aggressive mis-representation of the West about Islam.
Your right submission for freedom. You will get to know. Maybe jim you already have.. here's a test for you try not to submit to having a shit in the morning...
Oxford union as a academic maybe is the best place to discuss about islam. The problem is who is anymore interested in ??? It seems more with all the media to be forced to pay attention .They have their own law in their own country . How are us to judge them and who are they to judge the rest of the society . Sharia law 😂😂😂 in a Democratic british society .
Islam anywhere is the wrong one... Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind. By His death, burial and bodily resurrection, He proved He was the Way, the Truth and the Life... Anyone, who believes that has Eternal Life...
How you expose Islam, ask the Muslims whether they prefer Shariah Law over the Law of the land. You’ll get the most blunt answers and what they truly wish to implement in your country if they could. If they don’t say Shariah Law, then they are blaspheming since that is what their prophet implemented, and according to the Quran he is the best example for humanity.
Bullshit. The only reason why Sharia mandates to follow the laws of the land where Muslims live is that THEY ARE A MINORITY!. This is a strategy ONLY to be used while the Muslim community grows in number until becoming dominant. Then Sharia mandates Muslims to take over and impose itself on the entire population, with the infidels (the khufar) becoming dhimmis, or subjugated second-class citizens that have to pay a poll tax (Jizya) so that their lives are spared. That is the real story. And you, Hisham Radwan, are practicing Taqiyya, plain LYING to further your cause, to propagate Islam while the infidels aren't aware of it.
Sharia law is similar to a constitutional law- it is the muslim constitution -full with its own laws that do not abide by the laws of the country in which they live.
Wow. That was too much waffle. Bring 4 opposing views to the same table. They just sat there and was like "look over there" "nothing to see here" "anti -west" FFS.
I think the first guy to speak was the only who had a point. The west has exacerbated the problem by not respecting the sovereignty of other nations well enough. However it's disingenuous to suggest that the problems in the middle east have NOTHING to do with Islam. If most of the people in a region support a certain kind of theocracy then it's preposterous to claim that it has nothing to do with that religion. If the society then experiences high levels of corruption and oppression as a direct result of specific unfair laws of the theocracy in question (like in current day Iran for example), then that also has something to do with the religion, especially if the law is concretely written down in religious text and can't be changed easily. If someone from that country ever suggests to change the law, then opponents will use the RELIGION to refuse doing so. To claim that this kind of situation is JUST about geopolitics and power is very disingenuous. Specific laws have specific effects in society. If you've set up a system of government that clashes with human nature and leads to horrific oppression in 90% of cases, then it's not a surprise when again the same thing happens. What this man is doing is similar to someone blaming western colonization for the fact that communism doesn't work and usually leads to human rights abuses. Sharia, in any form seen so far, IS oppressive. Obviously Sharia has something to do with Islam. Yes, the west has a lot to do with fucking up the middle east. HOWEVER, for a society to be successful, they also must choose a system of government that actually works. You can't just blame colonialism and US intervention for being in a bad situation when you're also making terrible decisions backed up by a holy book from 1000 years ago rather than evidence of what actually works.
sure lets just not talk about the incompatibly of the ideals of Islam and western culture and the fact that Islam is closer to a political system then a religion. Bill Warner check him out for a historical and data based interpretation of this issue and you may see why people are not pleased with this display of boot licking.
@@davidirvine7238 What do you mean boot licking, did you even watch it, Dr Jonathan Brown was excellent in exposing the hypocritical western mindset when it comes to Islam. Secondly, anyone who says that Islam is closer to a political system than a religion has no clue what he is talking about. On the other spectrum you have Tommy Robinson who comes in front the Oxford Union telling lies about Islam and he gets showered with praise, cuz the people like what he has to say. They dont care if its factual or not, so these people are boot lickers too of the same empty rhetoric on the far right of the political spectrum.
To a Hebrew it's we don't eat pork to a Muslim it's nobody eats pork. Islam has been at war with western culture for 1400 years it's a religion based on conquest and total domination yes it's a political position because it is a method to rule the world. The Islamic culture has been doing this since the fall of Rome and the religion is there to support it they are playing the long game and we are to nice to stop it. Mecca vs median Quran. You have to be pretty blind to history to think it's anything but a political tool just like all religions. So to sit there and blame Western culture for all this shit is absolutely ridiculous and boot licking of the Islamic culture, the slave masters. Literally one of the leading causes of the dark age in Europe. What more is there to say
Islam promotes tolerance لَّا يَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يُقَٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِي ٱلدِّينِ وَلَمۡ يُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوٓاْ إِلَيۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِينَ (Sahih International) Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. -Surah Al-Mumtahanah, verse 8 Islam promotes kindness ۚإِنَّ رَحۡمَتَ ٱللَّهِ قَرِيبٞ مِّنَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good. -Surah Al-A'raf, verse 56 NOT EVERY MUSLIM IMPLEMENT ISLAM PROPERLY. Terrorist who tell they are muslim don't implement islam properly. To have better understanding about Islam please take closer look at quran and hadith. People can't simply conclude that Islam is cruel , agressive etc just by looking dozens of quran verses or hadith or by looking terrorist action. *Those are more than 6000 quran verses and more than 500000 hadith* . *If you want to know better about Islam, please learn all of those quran verses and hadith carefully. USE* *OBJECTIVE THINKING, NOT HATE.* This may take many years. Thanks
Thank you for such a clear comment. Sadly, most religions texts have people that cherry pick verses to promote their hate. Christianity has a long history of it. Thank you for promoting thinking and kindness.
In a very frustrating way the definitions of many issues been misrepresented though all what said here are true experiences, what is felt genuinely by the speakers and who they represents
There are texts in Sharia although some if the schools of thought may not have been translated. One you can buy from Amazon for about $40 is called "Reliance of the Traveler".
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So much uncritical and ignorant negativity in the comments. They addressed the topic and answered the questions posed to them with credible responses. Apparently, simply hearing opposing views leads to irrational outrage and paranoia.
then it should not be marked as debate .
From what I see it's labeled as a discussion
I'm a Christian I found out I have a Muslim cousin...guess what? I absolutely love her!! welcome to the family you've always been here,I never knew you but I love you!
What does that have to do with the topic?
@@druoleary She just wanted to say! Hey Look at me. I am not muslim but I am so great because I have a muslim cousin I love!
Samantha Terry this is great news! How did you find out?
Islam promotes tolerance
لَّا يَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يُقَٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِي ٱلدِّينِ وَلَمۡ يُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوٓاْ إِلَيۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِينَ
(Sahih International)
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
-Surah Al-Mumtahanah, verse 8
Islam promotes kindness
ۚإِنَّ رَحۡمَتَ ٱللَّهِ قَرِيبٞ مِّنَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ
Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.
-Surah Al-A'raf, verse 56
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IMPLEMENT ISLAM PROPERLY. Terrorist who tell they are muslim don't implement islam properly. To have better understanding about Islam please take closer look at quran and hadith. People can't simply conclude that Islam is cruel , agressive etc just by looking dozens of quran verses or hadith or by looking terrorist action. *Those are more than 6000 quran verses and more than 500000 hadith* . *If you want to know better about Islam, please learn all of those quran verses and hadith carefully. USE* *OBJECTIVE THINKING, NOT HATE.* This may take many years. Thanks
deluded, but in islamic countries you are second classes and got no rights, thats a facts, besides many muslims are decendants of capitive christians and jews, who the muslims capture by force, facts
No-one discussed the central problem. Most religions are full of heinous ideas, but Christian's, Jews, Buddhists etc view religious texts as written by human prophets who are fallible and that allows us to deviate from the written texts, but Muslims believe the Koran is the absolute word of God and therefore deviation is not allowed.
You may not be aware that our countries Puritan colonists outlawed all Bibles in the New World except their version of the King James Bible. They cut out several books of the Bible that are still not found in versions here but are in the British King James Bible. The Catholic church believes the Bible is God's word alone for a long time. Some sects still take the Bible literally so it is not just some of the Muslims that believe their religious text is God's word that cannot be deviated from.
Delusional and Fanatical.
The fact that this video attracts so many haters already tells me it contains truth.
It tells me that people hate Islam.
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A discussion about Islam and politics where all of those involved are Muslim? Would have been interesting to see a more diverse range of viewpoints.
Wow thats quite condescending. Discussion about "Islam and Politics" off course it has to be Muslims debating it, that was the whole point of the discussion.
It would have been much more interesting if proper Muslims Scholars, Shia n Sunnis, were debating it. Although these two gentlemen did a fair job but they also lack knowledge of Shariah.
And we have debates like these within our communities where issues are debated by Scholars who might be inclined towards a more extremist view n Scholars who might have a more moderate view, and somewhere in between the two views most of us individuals identify ourselves.
Ali Khan I just meant it would have been interesting to hear a non-Muslim perspective. Obviously there are many different viewpoints within Islam, but there’s still going to be some bias towards Islam from that standpoint. If there was some fault with Islam, which there may or may not be, Muslims would be much less inclined to point it out.
Ali Khan MUSLIMS ALWAYS LIE ABOUT ISLAM
1. This was not a debate. 2. The topic of discussion was about Islam and Politics and so it makes sense to have 2 experts on the topic even if they are Muslim.
I get what you are saying. But I wouldnt call myself an astronomist even though I look at stars everyday.
What a sophisticated speech done by WADAH KHANFAR & JONATHAN BROWN👍👍. I really appreciated how they put the narrative
If something has to be continuously defended as being peaceful it should be a huge red flag.
Gez well, to be fair, it's being continuously attacked too.
^ This
Why is it being accused of NOT being an inherently peaceful doctrine? Is it because of the atrocities done in its name? Or perhaps the scripture?
Over time, Mo' attacked every single neighbour he ever had. He committed about 96 acts of jihad in 9 years.
As Old Mo' did, so does the Muslim.
Syed Ahmed what happens if you take the religion of Jainism to the extreme? Does that lead to flying planes into buildings with the aim of killing as many innocent civilians as possible? Why are there no Palestinian Christians knife attacking civilians in "defense" or suicide bombers?
Extremism is only bad if there's room with the doctrine for justification.
They were not challenged in anything.
maybe you should have gone to the event and asked a question?
We should challenge them.
Why i cant find a Christian panel or discussion in Oxford Union?
Because Christianity id dead religion
Islam is blood & mayhem, whenever&wherever. Europe deserves this manure.
Every outstanding discussion you don't see this things in the media today
This Oxford Union presentation is one of the finest attempts at bringing the simple truth to the viewers. It is thus sad to note the hatred in the comments section. If one were to view this presentation with an open mind and an unprejudiced heart - I say that in that order - one can connect with the truth that is being presented. No one is saying that Muslims are the best, or that Muslims are perfect beings, but to blame a religion ?! Doesn't that say how insecure and prejudiced these people are within themselves ?
Yes, there is definitely a lot of dead wood stuck on to the Ship of Islam - but does that deserve such obscene and foul-mouthed language of hatred and abuse ?
If you don't like Islam, so be it. At least be courteous to your ownselves by using language that doesn't betray your insecurities and your ignorances, with all due respect.
We are what we think. And our words speak for ourselves only.
Islam doesn't like me first. I was minding my own business until MUHAMMAD came and started warring with everyone who says "thanks but no thanks"
Apparently we are the worst of creatures.
Save it mate.
So very true. The same can be said about Christianity. The Crusades, burning of heretics within Christianity. Let's not forget the Cathars in France when a pope ordered a crusade against other Christian people who worked hard to follow the example of Christ's life and words. But they believed that you could pray to God directly without a priest so they were destroyed for it.
@@blackmancool9983 Apparently, you know Islam just from media education.
I do understand that you are neither a scholar on it, nor its follower. You don't need to be both or either to know if you are right, or, if you are just prejudiced. All you need to know is to read. If you can do that, just read it from its original source. And if you can see, just see it for your own self. You may then wonder how you ever thought negative about a Prophet called Muhammed, peace be upon him. A Prophet who believed in Jesus and Virgin Mary, peace be upon them.
Don't take my word on it. Just check it out yourself from authentic sources. The genuineness of your source will direct you to the truth.
@@nancykraus5127 Yes, believers over the ages have been oppressed, tortured and killed for just believing that one could pray directly to The Almighty....
The Story of the Sleepers is specially mentioned in the Noble Qur'an. It's a beautiful incident that happened to a group of young men who escaped to a cave to avoid being caught and killed because they chose to believe in a God who could be reached one on one.
_as long as the religious books teaches hatred and violence, it will not stop. it's like a time bomb awaiting someone to activate it._
All those posting the negative comments think we the Muslims would wonder. But we have been foretold of you, such people, in the Noble Qur'an that "some people have chosen to put a covering on their hearts, vision and hearing. So it is equal to them whether you speak to them or not for they have no perception".
And I tell you we Muslims are not tasked to convert. All we have to do is tell the message and leave you to think and, or ponder. Indeed Islam is not for the dumb and/or people so indoctrinated that they could perceive no good other than what they already know.
I hope the Allah give such people the strength to at least challenge themselves.
Well said!
Oh fuck off. As the Bible says "you shall know them by their deeds"
Islam rapes and slaughters
Mr Brown's challenge to the label of 'progressive' we appoint to the West is redundant. The West is considers itself progressive, not 'progressed'. We do not suppose ourselves to be perfect. The verb 'progressive' is continuous, it expresses an action still in motion, so naturally the West is still riddled with social/political issues, as we're a society still striving to improve ourselves.
Is this supposed to be a balanced discussion?
about islam in our pc times ? are you kidding ?
It is a prime example of Taqiyya.
Great, at 13:30 he says, "I hope it's okay to say that." I don't even know what he said and he is worried about saying it. Not a full panel discussion if the speakers are worried about what they are saying and if it is okay.
Currently 30 minutes in and wondering where the debate is since the two speakers are coming from an Islamic perspective so where is the debate, the counter, the rebuttal? Not sure I'll spend more time listening to a discussion from a singular perspective since how do I know if they are telling the truth and being accurate. Not the best approach from Oxford Uni to have a platform for Islam. Fine in an Islamic society but not one billed for a wider audience.
It says DISCUSSION! The fact that you expect a two -side debate proves you have preconceived notions about the ill Islam and it's more correct counter equivalent. You simply enjoy clashes, which is the fundamental issue with humans.
It says "discussion" not a debate. Why Don't you share your critical contribution here. If you don't see Western encroachment and interference decapitating any hope of self determination then you are blind.
Discussion. Please read the title carefully.
Just look Indonesia, the largest muslim population democratic country in the world. I'm proud to be Indonesian
And look at the blasphemy law - totally incompatible with western laws.
@@SurpriseMeJT Look it up baby boy. The US has blasphemy laws in multiple states.
@@karim0404 Can you give me a link to some examples?
@@SurpriseMeJT However, I do agree that blasphemy laws are ridiculous and not incompatible with any country. Including Islamic.
You mean the only muslim & democratic country in the world, not the largest, right? Because besides Indonesia there are none, only monarchies and autocraties which proves that democracy and islam don´t have a lot of common ground.
The head of Al Jazeera. We were perfect, all problems are because of outsiders. What a joker.
maybe you should open a history book and read about the History of the West in that region?
This is what a balanced discussion looks like to the chagrin of westerners used to framing things to their favor.
You do know that a whole bunch of Westerners like to criticize "the West", while the same West is a popular scapegoat to others?
@@katrinam6795 True indeed. The popular scapegoat has taken quite a beating, and the societal fabric has come undone.
At 45 minutes a useful question, but the usual sort of response. The questioner is worth 10/10
"discussion"!? That sounded more like da'wa.
great then, that means the speakers did an excellent job.
Taquiha, much???
+Accelerationist They propagate Islamic supremacy almost everyday at OIS and HIS. They steal our achievements and try to make it their own. We need to ban Islam before it's too late!!!
Sorry *OCIS and HIS
+Accelerationist Oxford Centre of Islamic Studies and Harvard Islamic Society. Actually every university in the UK has Islamic studies as a private course for Muslim students who just finished A'levels.
No doubt Islam is the best religion of the world.
In Islam no muslim is allowed to use bad words against any religion or faith.
That is not true for India. Or Pakistan Muslims alway make bad comments about Hindu religion.
@@swadeshtaneja3512 Sir, I say Islam does not permit.
ca. 26:00, the speaker described the very reason for the separation between church and state as well as the very manner in which Islam hampers progress.
An hour of Islamic propaganda brought to you by the Oxford Union...
did someone force you to watch this?
Mandatory 'diversity' training, coming soon to an institution near you.
+Farah did anybody force you to read comments you disagree with? to reply to those comments? What the fuck does force have to do with any of this?
noimnotnice because the initial commentator was insinuating that this was some sort of propaganda that was being shoved upon the people. As far as I’m aware this was an informative discussion about Islam and Politics by two experts on the field courtesy of the Oxford Union. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch if they’re not interested in the topic.
If you think propaganda must be by force than you don't understand propaganda at all...
19:43 the claim that israeli law took ideas from the sharia is one of the dumbest things i've heard. how can you bring a panel of muslims to talk critically about Islam?
silence of the west=agreement with tyranny and authoritarian regimes in muslim countries.....who needs an external colonists in this situation
First speaker is "B S" Islam violence started with Mohammed and never stopped, today slavery in Saudi Arabia Slavery in Bahrain Libya etc. ISLAM = Violence.
The American speaker converted to Islam in 1997. He holds the Alwaleed bin Talal Chair of Islamic Civilization at Georgetown University See Jonathan A C Brown Wikipedia
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Propaganda..boring propaganda
Im from Malaysia as well. Political Islam? Why not? but of course, it has to address some key points such as 1) Minority religion right to practice and propagate including to Muslims 2) Freedom to practise any religion, freedom from religion and leave the religion. 3) LGBT rights including to have a family and career. 4) Minority political rights. If political Islam addresses all the above clearly than secular liberal politics for the above issues, I would say why not. Name no matter, content is.
Nonsensical Islamic propaganda in the garb of "discussion".
Wonderful discussion!
Everyone gives up religion. Everyone wins. Thanks, every Atheist in the world.
Andy so hu made u. Have u cinsider that..? Allah sw is da one hu created me n u. He is da ONLY one who can give or can take life away. He is da hu gives u da oxygen. N here u r denying him..yet he can kill u instantly..n thus u r in a grave. Pls. Think..thst is if u have a mind...or may be not.
problem is Islam is closer to a way of waging war then a religion
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@@1982haids look at Afghanistan, look at turkey, look at Islamic African countries. Where Islam goes war, oppression, and corruption follow. The Qur'an was written by a conquerer not a peace maker.
@@davidirvine7238 let’s put some perspective on this. Did Islam result in 1 million deaths in iraq following an illegal invasion? Did Islam drop a nuclear bomb on Hiroshima, or kill 5 million Jews? Was Islam responsible for 2 world wars? Is Islam responsible for the weekly mass shootings in the U.S.? Does Islam steal the natural resources of other countries? Are Muslims persecuting other religions in concentration camps? Wake up man.
//Islam sets a purpose for
life
It is a comprehensive lifestyle - based on justice and equality - it carries solutions to all life's problems - suitable for every time and place, free of contradictions and myths - it rejects all forms of religious and class distinction
- He holds the scientific lead (the stages of fetal development - the ascent into space ... and) supported by logic. Reason - enable yourself to hear it to realize the truth - by comparing it with other holy books, will you find the true religion?
Would have been nice to see ex muslims explaining why they left.
Celestial Teapot What has that to do with the topic, you absolute dimwit! A question to you; Are you courageous enough to see revert videos on RUclips? More people join Islam than that are leaving, whether you like it or not, and despite your infinite propaganda against Islam!
Dan Delgado It’s funny that despite having no “blasphemy laws” in Europe and North America AND Australia , its STILL the fastest growing in those regions plus most of the new adherents are FEMALES with university degrees. You can’t hate facts. I was born and raised in the West (Netherlands and now the US), yet I’m still a Muslim who is stricter than my parents. You can’t defeat truth with propaganda. 😊
Poor debate. One devout Muslim debating another. Actually its a true representation of a diversified Muslim panel
59:35 is exactly the situation happening in Malaysia and its only getting worse by the day. Left and right we have stupid extremist boycotting here and there. I give you an example ... as of this comment just 2 days ago there was a news of the local convenience store selling a socks with the work Allah stitched on it and then people started boycotting the local store chain ... I means its just ridicules .... The owner of the local store chain even came out to apologies and it was actually not done on purpose as it was just a cheap item brought in from China to sell in their convenience stores.
This would have been more interesting if they'd had at least one person on the panel presenting honest facts.
It is interesting why they did not bring Rachil Raza or Ian Haris Ali to bring the figures on the percentage of Muslims who support jihad and anti-gay laws / equal rights for women / atheism.
The data show that it is hundreds of millions.
One way discussion. He is saying sariya is a fantastic. Is he mad? Is there any Islamic countries which have oxford like institutions where guys from all religions can learn and discuss anything freely.
hahaha , are u stupid ? , u can discuss anything freely almost anywhere , either in arabic/asian...etc , ever heard of a matter called philosophy , yeah everyone (have oxford like institutions where guys from all religions can learn and discuss anything freely.)
Of course Islam has hurt Muslim progress. For one example the Ottomans banned the printing press because of the sanctity of scribes.
Wht happens if muslim becomes 65% of a country will that country will remain secular and allow propagation of pagan religions?????
For understanding Islam listen the comments of reverts to Islam. It will be surprising for all of you.
There r also people who left islam
No one has valid objection against Islam still it sucks for most of them
Allah is the Creator. He is not created. Allah existed ever and He will exist for ever.
Almighty Allah has mentioned many signs in Qur'an proving His existence.
For example:
EXPANDING UNIVERSE.
IN HOLY QUR'AN
ALMIGHTY ALLAH THE MASTER CREATOR
Who can claim 1350 years ago that the universe is expanding?
والسماء بنينها بايد و انا لموسعون o
" And the heaven We built it with power, and indeed, We are the expander "
(And We it is Who make the vast extent, thereof )
(Qur'an, 51:47)
Until 1931, physicist Albert Einstein believed that the universe was static. An urban legend attributes this change of perspective to when American astronomer Edwin Hubble showed Einstein his observations of redshift in the light emitted by far away nebulae - today known as galaxies.
After Hubble discovered that the universe was expanding, Einstein called the cosmological constant his "greatest blunder."
At around the same time, larger telescopes were being built that were able to accurately measure the spectra, or the intensity of light as a function of wavelength, of faint objects.
It is clearly mentioned in Holy Qur'an :
" And the heaven We constructed with power, and indeed, We are the expander "
(Qur'an, 51:47)
Almighty Allah is the Master Creator of the whole universe.He says:
Should He not know what He created? And He is the Subtile, the Aware.
The knowledge of scientists is very limited and poor to understand the universe!!
But theirs constant efforts to understand the universe is highly admirable and they are praiseworthy indeed.
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😂😂😂 There's no one realized that he's saying all of the quiet part out loud all of it
Should have invited David Wood.
Watched all of it
Consider 12 similarities between God and the United States Government:
(1) God is a Spirit - cannot be seen or touched. The U.S. Government is a spirit - cannot be seen or touched.
(2) We read about God on papers - the Bible. We read about the U.S. Government on papers - the United States Constitution.
(3) God not only create, He also destroys. The U.S. Government not only create, it also destroys.
(4) God makes Laws to govern His people. The U.S. Government makes Laws to govern its people.
(5) God has the powers to forgive and to restore His enemies. The U.S. Government has the powers to forgive and to restore its enemies.
(6) God has the powers to work His wills in and through the lives of people. The U.S. Government has the powers to work its wills in and through the lives of people.
(7) God is a “Trinity”, because within the ‘Oneness of God’ there are three different Natures: (1) Father, (2) Word of God, and (3) Spirit of God. The U.S. Government is a “Trinity”, because within the ‘Oneness of the U.S. Government’ there are three different natures: (1) Executive Branch of Government, (2) Legislature Branch of Government, and (3) Judicial Branch of Government.
(8) The word “Trinity” is not mentioned in the Bible, but the Bible revealed God as a “trinity” in whose ‘oneness’ the three different Natures of God are co-existing and are co-equal. The word “Trinity” is not mentioned in the United States Constitution, but the United States Constitution revealed the U.S. Government as a “trinity” in whose ‘oneness’ the three different natures of the U.S. Government are co-existing and are co-equal.
(9) Each one of the three different Natures of God is God, Himself. Examples: (1) God’s Nature called “Father” is God, Himself; (2) God’s Nature called “Word of God” is God, Himself; and (3) God’s Nature called “Spirit of God” is God, Himself. Each one of the three different natures of the U.S. Government is the U.S. Government, itself. Examples: (1) The U.S. Government’s nature called “Executive Branch of Government” is the U.S. Government, itself; (2) the U.S. Government’s nature called “Legislature Branch of Government” is the U.S. Government, itself; (3) the U.S. Government’s nature called “Judicial Branch of Government” is the U.S. Government, itself.
(10) God took one of His three Natures called “Word of God”, clothed or covered Him in human skin (Jesus), and sent Him into the world to save lives. The U.S. Government took one of its three natures called “Executive Branch of Government”, clothed or covered it in human skin (soldiers/militaries/CIA/ambassadors), and sent them into the world (Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan) to save lives.
(11) God’s Nature called “Word of God” (operating inside human skin - Jesus) correctly said, “I am in my Father and my Father is in me. I and my Father are one. If you have seen me, you have seen my Father.” The U.S. Government’s nature called “Executive Branch” (operating inside human skin - soldiers/militaries/CIA/ambassadors) may correctly say, “I am in the U.S. Government and the U.S. Government is in me. I and the U.S. Government are one. If you have seen me, you have seen the U.S. Government.”
(12) Deuteronomy 6:4 reads, “Hear O Israel, the LORD, our God is one LORD.” But God is a Trinity. Deuteronomy 6:4 could also be read, “Hear O American people, the government, our U.S. Government is one government.” But the U.S. Government is a trinity.
Message of the Bible is acceptably simple: God is one. Within His “Oneness”, there are three different Natures: (1) Father, (2) Word of God, and (3) Spirit of God. One day, God in His infinite wisdom and powers, took one of His three Natures called “Word of God” or “Word”, and placed Him inside the Womb of the Virgin Mary. Nine months later, a Child is born. The Child, naturally, is both the “Son of God” and the “Son of Man.
The Apostle John, in two verses, explains it this way: John 1:1 reads, “In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God,” and in John 1:14 the Apostle added this: “The Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His Glory, the Glory as the only begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and full of truth.” In other words, Jesus is one of God’s Natures who is covered in human skin. That is what the Prophet Isaiah meant when he said, “The Child will be the Father of Himself.” Isaiah 6:9 reads, “For unto us a Child is born, unto us a Son is given…His name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.”
The trinity does not seek to add unto that which already exists; but rather to make distinctions among its different natures. Example: The “Atom” already exists. The trinity makes distinctions among its three different natures: (1) Protons, (2) Neutrons, and (3) Electrons. As a human being, you are made in “the Image and the Likeness of God” - (Genesis 1:26). God is a trinity, so are you; because within your “oneness”, you have three different natures: (1) body, (2) spirit, and (3) soul. Your body is you, your spirit is you, and your soul is you. But your body is not the same as your spirit, and your spirit is not the same as your soul. However, each you (body, spirit, and soul), by itself, is actually you. In fact, on the day you die, people will refer to your body as your “remains” (left-behind or left-over). If your body is your “left-over” or “left-behind”, then where did the rest of you go? This can only make sense if within your “oneness” you are more than one you. And in this case, you are a “three-in-one” - you are a trinity.
The Science of Natural Laws support the trinity. It states, “Whatever is ‘one’ is a unity of many different natures or components (things).” Examples: The water molecule is one. It is a unity of two different natures: (1) Hydrogen and (2) Oxygen or (H2O). Time, within its “oneness”, is a unity of three different natures: (1) Past, (2) Present, and (3) Future. Space is one in three natures, or dimensions, or (3Ds): (1) height, (2) width, and (3) depth. The universe is a unity of three different natures: (1) Time, (2) Space, and (3) Phenomenon - everything we can see, hear, feel, smell, and taste.” This is full display in the very first verse of the Holy Bible - Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space), and the earth (Matter / Phenomenon).”
Simply God made the sun rise from the east The United States cannot make the sun shine from the west
About Malaysia 3 races citizens and sharia law 36:35
Thanks! The response didn't even answer the question at all. This panel was all Dahwa.
A group of open border communist students invites Islamic scholars to explain why the Islamic atrocity everywhere in West Europe. What the islamic scholars did not say is your open border communism invited the killings that they suffer everyday in the Middle East.
Virtual signalling always cost, but it has never been the lives of the Limousine communists and their oxcambridge offsprings.
I wish someday we will speak our languages and English people will face difficulty in understanding like we were forced to learn English.
@dreamland
Its that simple because Anglo-saxon colonialists imposed their language on us and hampered natural development of Asia and Africa. So we have every right to wish them same, as they did to us but we don't wish same violence, torture and sufferings to them. We just want to snatch from them the right to speak their language so that they realise what they did to people of Asia, Africa and latin America.
@dreamland
First, All knowledge and technologies are common heritage of all human beings so there is no question my technology and your technology, western or estern technology.
Second, i am not against learning any language per se be it English, French, Arabic or Mandarin but i am against colonial imposition of any language on any other language. What English or French did to people of Asia or Africa is not a benign teaching of French or English instead they imposed French and English by force and attached education, employement, upward mobility and respect in society with English and French and made all colonialized people hate their languages cultures and heritage.
Colonialism has not ended yet, in all post colonial societies prestige and employment are still attached to English and French and still natives are being insulted on speaking their mother tongues.
Call me a Jihadist, redical or whatever but if you support such kind of terrible colonialism which is hampering natural growth of our societies, you are just another brainwash child of colonialism not a fellow human being to us, who don't understand what is going on with weak nations and who don't stand with all oppressed people regardless of their race colour or religion.
@dreamland
Punjabi is my mother tongue and its 9th largest language of world and we Punjabies are 3rd largest ethinic group of south Asia, 1st of Pakistan but colonial trained elite class of Pakistan has imposed English on us and they don't allow teaching of Punjabi in our schools so common Punjabies are brainwashed to the core that they hate speaking their language with their own Children thats why Punjabi is becoming an endangered language.
Just imagie they are doing this with 9th largest language of world what would be fate of other little 7000 thousand languages of the world. They want to make a world which blindly imitate English or French Spanish or other two or three dominant languages. And we are fighing to save linguistic diversity of world and if this is some kind of Jihad then i am proud of it.
@dreamland
"Tell me if Easterners hate the Westerner way of life so much, why do they line up out the door to migrate to western countries"
There are plenty of reasons behind it but i will shed light on 5 obvious ones.
1.Political Colonialism
2.Linguistic Colonialism
3.Economic Colonialism
4.Military Colonialism
5. Brainwashing through Hollywood/Propoganda electronic and social Media outlets.
1. Colonail Imposed Kings, Colonial trained and colonial imposed Military dictators, Military bureaucracies, English/French civilian bureaucracies, English/French imposed Feudal lords and now Capitalist corporate Mafias.
2.Imposition of English and French languages on common people of all post colonial societies. These colonial trained elite classes are more loyal to their western masters than to their people. They deposit all their looted wealth in western banks and their families are settled in west.
3.Ongiong Western economic colonialim through IMF/WB/Private Banks/State Banks(Economic hitmen) Multinationals.
4. Bombing and destruction of African and Middle eastern countries(libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen etc).
5. Constatnt propganda of superirity of white race and westen civilization. This propoganda started during colonial period by imparting racial superiroity and inferiority theeories in English and French education systems and reached to its zenith in our global age through Holloywood/western electronic Media outlets and social media outlets. When you make people hate their own languages, colour, religion, traditions, customs, dress codes and everything native then who will want to stay back in their hated lands????Everyone will love to go to supposed paradise in west constructed by focre of sheer propoganda and constant lies.
The list of crimies of colonial powers is much longer but they block you if you expose them.
@@TajamalGhumman Actually that already happened in Britain even . The English stopped the Scottish from speaking their language and now it is nearly lost
Nothing really interesting, but advocacy at the brink of demagogy
_Why pursue Democracy, a dying system economically and socially?_
Because we don't want to look like retards, putting our asses in the air five times a day. Have at it!
+noimnotnice _No homo._
Thanks Allah cause you created me a Muslim ❤❤❤❤😄😄😄
Be ashamed Bitch!
fuck you
from your mother
May your goat die at an early age.
The most violent religion today.
Lol, in this comment section: ONLINE TROLLS ACTIVATED
"everyone who disagrees with me is trolling" HAHA XD
noimnotnice No, just recently I disagreed with my wife about which films to watch. Turns out she was right and now I’m banned from the Netflix que.
According to me the answers were inappropriate. Though I appreciate their deep knowledge but, they are just diverting every questions and advocating the reoigion but no religion is perfect. We should accept the loopholes and appreciate wherever it's needed. With utmost respect.
Yes my friend, but I believe that there is a complete religion, but the gaps occurred because of the human being
How are you forming your opinion mr Prantik?
Man you never get tired of these Bullshitters and apparently there are 2 Billion of them.
@@Atul-Kr-117hmmm
Islam is not ONLY a religion in the connotation of the word. It is a total way of life. You need to know more about Islam to appreciate my statement. For example, Islamic Economics is much better than the so called Western Economics thought. India reached its apex when it was ruled by Muslim Mughal Empire. The sciences and mathematics were enriched by the Muslims while the Christian Europe was burning scientist and free thinkers on stake especially during the inquisition. Sadly, many people restrict their understanding of Islam on the aggressive mis-representation of the West about Islam.
No honest debate then? Didn't even touch on the backwards passages.
Can you tell me the name of a speaker?
His name is Dr. Jonathan Brown
islam means submission not freedom.
What is freedom give definition!!!
Even animals also some certain rules
Your right submission for freedom. You will get to know. Maybe jim you already have.. here's a test for you try not to submit to having a shit in the morning...
I wanted do see a discussion, but the panel is just promoting islam. I have no interest in that.
Of course you like being fed shit.
I was expecting a debate. Not very useful.
The Oxford Union, is being hyjacked
Oxford union as a academic maybe is the best place to discuss about islam. The problem is who is anymore interested in ??? It seems more with all the media to be forced to pay attention .They have their own law in their own country . How are us to judge them and who are they to judge the rest of the society . Sharia law 😂😂😂 in a Democratic british society .
Democracy and Sharia Law has become a joke.
The best book Qur'an of the world
SO many butthurt comments.
Why is it so hard to accept Facts?
that this was not a debate
Whf these muslims fight n blame us to support them to resolve thier dispute
This man has forgotten history completely.
If you can stomach even the first five minutes of this, you are probably high
yeah not every simpleton can entertain such complex discussions.
Ba d Neighbour religions are intimately tied with humans and the human experience on earth for hundreds of thousands of years.
Ba d Neighbour maybe you should join the human race you condescending neo athiest snob.
+Ba d Neighbour You're right,these niggas just worked hard and enrolled into Oxford by not joining the human race lol.
The islam in the west is the wrong one .
Islam anywhere is the wrong one...
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind.
By His death, burial and bodily resurrection, He proved He was the Way, the Truth and the Life...
Anyone, who believes that has Eternal Life...
How you expose Islam, ask the Muslims whether they prefer Shariah Law over the Law of the land. You’ll get the most blunt answers and what they truly wish to implement in your country if they could.
If they don’t say Shariah Law, then they are blaspheming since that is what their prophet implemented, and according to the Quran he is the best example for humanity.
What is ''Sharia law'' ?
You poorly guided soul, it is part of Sharia Law to follow the laws of you land...Read a book for God's sake.
Hisham - O Ye, you are 100% wrong.
Bullshit. The only reason why Sharia mandates to follow the laws of the land where Muslims live is that THEY ARE A MINORITY!. This is a strategy ONLY to be used while the Muslim community grows in number until becoming dominant. Then Sharia mandates Muslims to take over and impose itself on the entire population, with the infidels (the khufar) becoming dhimmis, or subjugated second-class citizens that have to pay a poll tax (Jizya) so that their lives are spared. That is the real story. And you, Hisham Radwan, are practicing Taqiyya, plain LYING to further your cause, to propagate Islam while the infidels aren't aware of it.
Sharia law is similar to a constitutional law- it is the muslim constitution -full with its own laws that do not abide by the laws of the country in which they live.
Where is Bill Warner when a discussion really needs him?
I remembered when universities taught facts not feelings.
Wow. That was too much waffle. Bring 4 opposing views to the same table.
They just sat there and was like "look over there" "nothing to see here" "anti -west"
FFS.
This was a debate ????
Molt be ⚖️⚖️⚖️ SECULAR 👍👍👍
Well, that sucked
not if you have an ounce of intellectual capacity.
Why did it suck though?
Bruce Wayne u gett nada to say....u r not worth to talk to.
I think the first guy to speak was the only who had a point. The west has exacerbated the problem by not respecting the sovereignty of other nations well enough. However it's disingenuous to suggest that the problems in the middle east have NOTHING to do with Islam. If most of the people in a region support a certain kind of theocracy then it's preposterous to claim that it has nothing to do with that religion. If the society then experiences high levels of corruption and oppression as a direct result of specific unfair laws of the theocracy in question (like in current day Iran for example), then that also has something to do with the religion, especially if the law is concretely written down in religious text and can't be changed easily. If someone from that country ever suggests to change the law, then opponents will use the RELIGION to refuse doing so. To claim that this kind of situation is JUST about geopolitics and power is very disingenuous. Specific laws have specific effects in society. If you've set up a system of government that clashes with human nature and leads to horrific oppression in 90% of cases, then it's not a surprise when again the same thing happens. What this man is doing is similar to someone blaming western colonization for the fact that communism doesn't work and usually leads to human rights abuses. Sharia, in any form seen so far, IS oppressive. Obviously Sharia has something to do with Islam. Yes, the west has a lot to do with fucking up the middle east. HOWEVER, for a society to be successful, they also must choose a system of government that actually works. You can't just blame colonialism and US intervention for being in a bad situation when you're also making terrible decisions backed up by a holy book from 1000 years ago rather than evidence of what actually works.
So many dislikes on a good academic discussion. Both speakers were good. Too many Tommy Robinson supporters here
sure lets just not talk about the incompatibly of the ideals of Islam and western culture and the fact that Islam is closer to a political system then a religion. Bill Warner check him out for a historical and data based interpretation of this issue and you may see why people are not pleased with this display of boot licking.
@@davidirvine7238 What do you mean boot licking, did you even watch it, Dr Jonathan Brown was excellent in exposing the hypocritical western mindset when it comes to Islam. Secondly, anyone who says that Islam is closer to a political system than a religion has no clue what he is talking about. On the other spectrum you have Tommy Robinson who comes in front the Oxford Union telling lies about Islam and he gets showered with praise, cuz the people like what he has to say. They dont care if its factual or not, so these people are boot lickers too of the same empty rhetoric on the far right of the political spectrum.
To a Hebrew it's we don't eat pork to a Muslim it's nobody eats pork. Islam has been at war with western culture for 1400 years it's a religion based on conquest and total domination yes it's a political position because it is a method to rule the world. The Islamic culture has been doing this since the fall of Rome and the religion is there to support it they are playing the long game and we are to nice to stop it. Mecca vs median Quran. You have to be pretty blind to history to think it's anything but a political tool just like all religions. So to sit there and blame Western culture for all this shit is absolutely ridiculous and boot licking of the Islamic culture, the slave masters. Literally one of the leading causes of the dark age in Europe. What more is there to say
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Islam promotes tolerance
لَّا يَنۡهَىٰكُمُ ٱللَّهُ عَنِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يُقَٰتِلُوكُمۡ فِي ٱلدِّينِ وَلَمۡ يُخۡرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَٰرِكُمۡ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمۡ وَتُقۡسِطُوٓاْ إِلَيۡهِمۡۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُقۡسِطِينَ
(Sahih International)
Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
-Surah Al-Mumtahanah, verse 8
Islam promotes kindness
ۚإِنَّ رَحۡمَتَ ٱللَّهِ قَرِيبٞ مِّنَ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ
Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.
-Surah Al-A'raf, verse 56
NOT EVERY MUSLIM IMPLEMENT ISLAM PROPERLY. Terrorist who tell they are muslim don't implement islam properly. To have better understanding about Islam please take closer look at quran and hadith. People can't simply conclude that Islam is cruel , agressive etc just by looking dozens of quran verses or hadith or by looking terrorist action. *Those are more than 6000 quran verses and more than 500000 hadith* . *If you want to know better about Islam, please learn all of those quran verses and hadith carefully. USE* *OBJECTIVE THINKING, NOT HATE.* This may take many years. Thanks
Thank you for such a clear comment. Sadly, most religions texts have people that cherry pick verses to promote their hate. Christianity has a long history of it. Thank you for promoting thinking and kindness.
@@nancykraus5127
your wellcome
No point in listening a one sided debate
Keep watching bbc
Islaam is only religion truth in the world that we live so islaam describe wrong and right, so islaam is good religion
So we have 4 speakers that are all in favour of islam. Great propaganda !
that white professor ..... I can see why they invited him. Time for Oxford to change its name to "Oxford Islamic University".
Sharia is band of Soudi Arabia and Bangladesh
In a very frustrating way the definitions of many issues been misrepresented though all what said here are true experiences, what is felt genuinely by the speakers and who they represents
this is disgusting. I feel so sorry for anyone who gets swept up in this bs
There are texts in Sharia although some if the schools of thought may not have been translated. One you can buy from Amazon for about $40 is called "Reliance of the Traveler".
Depent on the Worrior Scale&Wars Empire firepow
Islamic Theocracy is the road forward. Not Western democracy.... Islamic theocracy gives the God-given Rights and practical solutions to every Individual be it, Father, Mother son or daughter, Parents, children, your neighbour, the society, the rich and the poor, the government, the believer and the unbeliever, the animals, the environment and all of creation.
Ohh I would rather die than live in Islamic theocracy.
Somebody please ask that Muslim if he agree's with Sharia Law.
Why can't ploticalpabulation every nationality is not he abuse our cam see problem hate fighting where is he mind
Meezan by Ghamidi is a textbook on sharia law.
Who is this white guy. Name please
He’s a fuckin waste of oxygen that worships the religion of the nonse
Seriously, are we still talking about this shit?
creepy
reall. gotto pay jidza as a non muslim, facts
What’s wrong with that?
Truth hurts and I see that in the comments !