Despite the obvious hard factor upgrade over even the Russian offerings, what Ukrainians couldn’t change is their relations with other countries that operated Russian equipment. Most countries wouldn’t want to abandon or damage their relation with Russia just because Ukraine made really good post Soviet vehicle upgrades. Buying foreign equipment isn’t just about buying the best for the lowest price, it’s also about establishing relationships and dependence. Russia has a much larger variety of equipment to offer on the market compared to Ukraine so other countries wouldn’t want to buy from Ukraine just for some really good tanks and/or APC/IFV like the BTR-4E.
Ain't gonna lie it would've been really cool if these upgrades were ordered by countries ect seems like these tanks would punch above it's weight for being a old tank and would be cool to have see what it can do if it was adopted
We need a video like this for the Ukranian T-72 upgrades.
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The Ukrainians were really unluky with there Tank Industry after indenpendence. But they made some interesting Designs. I "know" these Tanks from a Battlefield 2 Mod where Ukraine was fighting NATO :)
I don’t think so, I think they’re just storage boxes with blowout panels much like T-90M. Edit: Nevermind, they’re actually bustle autoloader for the 125mm gun upgrade.
@@SCH292 It wasn't made to promote russian propaganda it was made as a WW2 dog fighting simulator that has had countless bullshit tacked onto it to the point where everything is about tanks and not the original purpose of the game
@@SCH292you wouldn't understand how convenient it would've been, but no, it was created to make money and it's developers have no ties with russian government. And probably aren't interested in politics anyway except when it hampers their profit - the usual corporate behaviour.
i dont know if you did it to get past the 10 min mark, but you repeat the same info over and over.. im not sure the set up at this channel but an editor or proof reader for scripts might help
in absence of any armor or inferior armor, any tank will work wonders. as long as you have enough supply. which means wast amount of reserves. learn from history. in a battle field you need huge supplies. specially armored vehicles. any think can work as long as it is mobile. even ww1 ones
I don't think WW1 tanks would do the job, after all it doesn't matter if you have an infinite supply of spoon - you wouldn't dig a 10 km channel with them. It's both logistics and efficiency. Make something that works, make it efficient and cost effective then produce a ton of it.
Apart from a lot of local Ukrainian industry that makes tanks (especially the Kharkiv Plant) have now either been moved to Western Ukraine or blown up, why would Ukraine need to upgrade T-62 tanks when it would be a waste of resources? Its much more viable to get stocks of ex-Soviet tanks from friendly nations such as Poland and Czechia delivering T-72's, upgrade and refurbish Ukraine's large T-64 fleet, and in addition get Western NATO tanks which are readily available.
I can do a thing and I can do a thing at large / sufficient scale are not the same. Due to economic woes between 1992 and 2014 Ukraine sold most of their Soviet surplus. And those same economic woes meant they didn't produce many tanks, and so the plant works all went looking for other work.
well the Russians due to desperation in the current Russo Ukraine war brought out several hundred T-62s from storage, the Russians had an estimated few thousand in storage but many of these were junk, non salvatageable due to very poor state in the decades of storage. Many Russian T-62s were destroyed or captured. In the current Kharkov offensive 2024, Russians T-62s and 55s consituted the majority of the Russian tanks deployed.
@@Beloskiiii nope now its being deployed by regular Russian units, heck even the T-55 is being deployed including lots of UAZ 452 Loafs from the cold war to be used as troop transport.
According to Oryx only 9 T-54/55's were destroyed or captured and 147 T-62's. In comparison , Oryx claimed that approximately 1000 T-72's were lost. The drastic difference between these numbers, shows that the T-54, T-55 and T-62 were mobilised in lesser numbers and possibly used in less aggressive actions. Another thing is, these older tanks were mostly spotted on the Donetsk. While on the Kharkov front, the Russians were mostly spotted with T-72's. In addition, I haven't seen a single photo or even an article that the Russians were conducting that offensive with T-54, T-55 or T-62. Not even the Ukrainian propaganda made such a claim, even though it would have been beneficial to them to claim that "the desperate Russians conduct their last offensive with old T-54, T-55 and T-62 tanks"
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These Ukrainian mods are very interesting since they do actually solve a lot of problems of the soviet era tanks. We need some of them in war thunder.
There's a crapton posted on reddit.
That would be good for the game, but with the current situation I find it unlikely.
Doubtful. Gaijins too biased to release something actively being used in Ukraine designed by Ukrainians.
I doubt we'll see Ukrainian vehicles anytime soon considering current events
Agreed! Praying up and down that with all the recent investment into Ukrainian industry means we get to see more intelligent modernizations.
The T-55 is one of my favorite tanks. I love the upgrades to it.
I was able to go inside one at Ft Hood, they look cool from the outside, but horribly cramped inside.
@@KARLMARX56 Not that much. T-72 is much more cramped. Although, that is a relative tihng...
Despite the obvious hard factor upgrade over even the Russian offerings, what Ukrainians couldn’t change is their relations with other countries that operated Russian equipment. Most countries wouldn’t want to abandon or damage their relation with Russia just because Ukraine made really good post Soviet vehicle upgrades. Buying foreign equipment isn’t just about buying the best for the lowest price, it’s also about establishing relationships and dependence. Russia has a much larger variety of equipment to offer on the market compared to Ukraine so other countries wouldn’t want to buy from Ukraine just for some really good tanks and/or APC/IFV like the BTR-4E.
Ain't gonna lie it would've been really cool if these upgrades were ordered by countries ect seems like these tanks would punch above it's weight for being a old tank and would be cool to have see what it can do if it was adopted
A GR8 vid. The upgrades are interesting. It reminds me of the TR-85M1. That 1 reeks of Type 80. 🤔
I wish these had gone into service, especially the AGM. Ukrainian upgrades are so cool!
wouldnt have mattered
It just needs a bit more ERA trust😭
We need a video like this for the Ukranian T-72 upgrades.
The Ukrainians were really unluky with there Tank Industry after indenpendence. But they made some interesting Designs. I "know" these Tanks from a Battlefield 2 Mod where Ukraine was fighting NATO :)
Was it winning?
Point of Existence 2 Mod the T-55 AGM
Just add more ERA
*T-64 engine.
wait what? that big box at back of turret looks like bustle autoloader
I don’t think so, I think they’re just storage boxes with blowout panels much like T-90M.
Edit: Nevermind, they’re actually bustle autoloader for the 125mm gun upgrade.
T-64 not 62
Edit: Ah i see i thought you were saying t-62 meaning t-64 but i see anyway great video.
Ukrainian modernized tanks are so sexy
I kinda wish war thunder was never invented. All the sudden everybody's a tank expert Although it does help channels like this I guess
Well. War Thunder was created to promote Russian propaganda.
@@SCH292 It wasn't made to promote russian propaganda it was made as a WW2 dog fighting simulator that has had countless bullshit tacked onto it to the point where everything is about tanks and not the original purpose of the game
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It was made to make money
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Good point
@@SCH292you wouldn't understand how convenient it would've been, but no, it was created to make money and it's developers have no ties with russian government. And probably aren't interested in politics anyway except when it hampers their profit - the usual corporate behaviour.
They should have offered a 57mm auto.
And spinners for the bogies.
not enough Kontakt 1
Same crappy 115mm canon? Blah!
i dont know if you did it to get past the 10 min mark, but you repeat the same info over and over..
im not sure the set up at this channel but an editor or proof reader for scripts might help
The upgrade can be easily installed by sex workers? Hhhh
Yes good Idea . US and NATO do the same.
in absence of any armor or inferior armor, any tank will work wonders. as long as you have enough supply. which means wast amount of reserves. learn from history. in a battle field you need huge supplies. specially armored vehicles. any think can work as long as it is mobile. even ww1 ones
"Amateurs speak in tactics. Professionals speak in logistics" General Omar Bradley.
@@scoutdogfsr sure
I don't think WW1 tanks would do the job, after all it doesn't matter if you have an infinite supply of spoon - you wouldn't dig a 10 km channel with them. It's both logistics and efficiency. Make something that works, make it efficient and cost effective then produce a ton of it.
@kindlingking yes. But I told you if there is no armor other than yours, I said
If they could modernize the T62 locally, why do they need western NATO tanks?
Because they inherited Soviet technical base but not Soviet industrial base.
Ukrainian war economy is dog shit.
Because they withdrew all their T-62s to lower the number of platforms in active service.
This was meant for export only.
Apart from a lot of local Ukrainian industry that makes tanks (especially the Kharkiv Plant) have now either been moved to Western Ukraine or blown up, why would Ukraine need to upgrade T-62 tanks when it would be a waste of resources?
Its much more viable to get stocks of ex-Soviet tanks from friendly nations such as Poland and Czechia delivering T-72's, upgrade and refurbish Ukraine's large T-64 fleet, and in addition get Western NATO tanks which are readily available.
Because they lost alot already?
I can do a thing and I can do a thing at large / sufficient scale are not the same. Due to economic woes between 1992 and 2014 Ukraine sold most of their Soviet surplus. And those same economic woes meant they didn't produce many tanks, and so the plant works all went looking for other work.
Still better than the T14
well the Russians due to desperation in the current Russo Ukraine war brought out several hundred T-62s from storage, the Russians had an estimated few thousand in storage but many of these were junk, non salvatageable due to very poor state in the decades of storage. Many Russian T-62s were destroyed or captured. In the current Kharkov offensive 2024, Russians T-62s and 55s consituted the majority of the Russian tanks deployed.
not true at all, only t62s in the russian army are on the donetsk front used as artillery. The main mbt of the kharkiv offensive was the t72b3
@@Beloskiiii nope now its being deployed by regular Russian units, heck even the T-55 is being deployed including lots of UAZ 452 Loafs from the cold war to be used as troop transport.
According to Oryx only 9 T-54/55's were destroyed or captured and 147 T-62's. In comparison , Oryx claimed that approximately 1000 T-72's were lost. The drastic difference between these numbers, shows that the T-54, T-55 and T-62 were mobilised in lesser numbers and possibly used in less aggressive actions. Another thing is, these older tanks were mostly spotted on the Donetsk.
While on the Kharkov front, the Russians were mostly spotted with T-72's. In addition, I haven't seen a single photo or even an article that the Russians were conducting that offensive with T-54, T-55 or T-62. Not even the Ukrainian propaganda made such a claim, even though it would have been beneficial to them to claim that "the desperate Russians conduct their last offensive with old T-54, T-55 and T-62 tanks"
Seems like a fair number of the “turtle tanks” use a T-62 as their original tank platform.
@@johngillespie9459 yes and the 115mm gun on these tanks dont work. must have gotten a defective version and used them as a body.
I can't stand this guy's accent.
T62 AG.un NBC. apabilities