Best Small Bore 2 Stroke? KTM 150XC-W TPI vs Beta 200rr
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2020
- Who makes the best small bore two stroke? Three riders from beginner to pro test the 2020 KTM 250XC-W TPI vs. the Beta 200rr head to head to find out. The Beta 200rr is a really fun bike for more aggressive riders while the new KTM 150XC-W is a huge improvement over the previous carbureted versions. Support PNW Enduro when you shop at Motosport by using this link alnk.to/4fIw6ap
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Great comparison, good points on both bikes. As always super trail! Cheers!
Great comparison video. I felt the forks on my 18 250rr were a bit harsh. I dumped the stock fluid and filled them with Motul VI 400 Factory Line Shock Oil at the stock height. Lighter weight, more viscosity stability as the temps change. Was able to use the clickers to get them to where I like them.
Great to get this comparison...Nice job. Great trails out there btw!
@VidMoto, thanks! Yes we are lucky to have these trails close to us.
Bring back the KTM 200!
It is sad the 200 is gone. I ride an 08 200 xc-w and love it!.
@@tonymoore9128 It is sad the 200 is gone. That was one awesome bike. I think Shane Watt won a GNCC on one a bunch of years ago.(in fact I think he won a GNCC round one every KTM model at one time or another). Happy trails :-)
@Bob Cali you've clearly never ridden a 200 LOL
Id get a Beta 200 but I am going for the 150i. Reason is.. the EFI and light weight... plus everyone seems to love the 150 and say it can chug downlow.
@@alistairbalistair9596 I had a BETA 300RR, It was sh!t, quality wise. Sold it and got a 250 TPI. BETA has terrible fit and finish, there's a reason they're so cheap, don't believe the hype. You will not be dissapointed with the KTM. Happy riding!!
I zoned out on the review , enjoy all the scenery . Would love to ride a trail like that . Not much around southwest arkansas like that.
Nice review. A job well done. Many thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Great real world opinions/reviews. Your content never disappoints. 👍
L69mail1234 thank you!
Always great videos !!!! congratulations
Great overall review - intrigued of the idea of going small bore for the tight trails.
You'll never look back.
I really appreciate this video. I'm debating between the Husky 150 TPI ( I'm a linkage fan) and the Beta 200RR. Thank you and cheers from Portland, OR
Same for me !
Everyone says these two are amazing but nobody says which is the best between these two.
Great comparison!!
Thanks Sara!
Great review, nice to hear thoughts from 3 different skill level riders. Always thought the 150 would be to high strung for beginners but doesn’t sound like that’s the case.
It's not at all. You can ride slow or fast with it.
I have a well tuned 19 KTM 150 xcw, love it. Rips on top, chugs down low, super light. No lack of power for me, nice simple carb. The mikuni works well with the right jetting, v force reeds and rk tech head. I've ridden the 19 model beta 200, it isn't as exciting as the KTM, doesn't handle as well at speed and the forks are harsh standard.
If you don't mind me asking, how much do you weigh?
@@clintonlied around 133lbs these days. Updated the bike with a keihin carb, cone valve forks and a bladder kit for the rear shock. Lighter springs than standard
@@Welsh-Trials-Enduro how tall are you?
@@taegansilva1829 5 foot 7
Can you street legal the xcw?
Very good review
Nice video, thanks for the upload. Too bad there are so few like Caileigh out there! Attractive, she seems sweet, fun and rides dirt bikes ……. a perfect combination!
We have lots of ladies riding around here, in fact our race series is adding a 3rd ladies only class this year.
Another smashing video 🙏👍
Thank you!
Thank you for posting this excellent review! My next motorbike will be one of these small bores (first 2 stroke for me).
Thanks. Glad it was helpful!
was there a rekluse on the ktm 150?
Great review. I do know a carb 150 with carb mods or a lectron go well. I wonder if the new 2020 150xcw pipe would bolt onto an older 150. Might be a good setup for a carb bike for single track.
I don't know for sure but I don't think the new pipe would work on the older bikes. New frame for 2020. Caileigh had to get the skid plate company to make a new design to fit her bike. I'm guessing the pipes line up differently as well.
Awesome video :)
Good content as always. Thank you! Would like to know, being the Beta a smaler bike, is the ground clearance afected? Less space from de ground to the skid plate in comparison with a ktm 2020?
Off the showroom floor it may be slightly but once you set the sag on both bikes I don't see it making any difference.
I am very surprised that your experienced rider reported that the larger displacement bike (the Beta 200) required more aggression to keep it on the pipe. I would have guessed that the smaller 150 would require much more aggression.
Too bad the Beta's Sachs forks are harsh. If KTM would just shrink the frame of their 150 by 10-15% like Beta did, they would have a really great bike. Not everybody is 6 feet tall... Oh, well - maybe next year...
Nice video. It would help if you made it clearer which bike the speaker is referring to. It may seem obvious when you're with the bikes in person, but watching on a smaller screen mobile device later, after manufacturers have cycled through different color schemes, its not completely obvious.. when the bikes are positined next to each other flashing up a quick text overlay visually indicating which is which would bs helpful...especially when Kaylee simply refers to the two different bike's as "this bike" with a gesture toward one and "this bike" with a gesture toward the other. I had to go back and watch/sift through a few different portions of video to a point where I could confirm visually which bike is referred to as the KTM and which bike is referred to as the Beta. Again, I can't see logos on my mobile device and color schemes are not obvious as they change. This year's standard colors are orange/white for KTM and ?? for Beta so even that isn't helpful. Otherwise, good content.
What gear are you in most this ride?.
I wonder if the lectron carbd 150 can lug the same as tpi 150’s.
even three years on, this is a super helpful review. I have been looking at both of the 2023 models of these two options, trying to come down on the class order from my current KTM 350 XC-F as it is too powerful for me right now as a beginner. Do you have any thoughts on the newer year models? Both look like great options.
The Beta 200rr is now available in the race edition with full KYB suspension so that's a nice upgrade. The KTM 150xc-w is still the same but should be TBI with other updates on the 2024 models.
which one is the best climber?
I think you mic settings on your gopro might be set to auto, For dirtbike vids the stereo setting seems to work best IMO.
awesome vid🤙🤘
Agreed, once you hit a certain speed with it set to auto it changes. Quite annoying. Great vid tho!
Yes I need to try stereo next time.
@@PNWEnduro Keep in mind that stereo mode will pick up more wind noise. Wind mode keeps the wind noise away but then you deal with full time muffled sound. Buy a foam cover that goes around the camera (cheap on Amazon) and set to stereo and you'll have good audio quality. Works great for my vids.
I see the clear glasses looks lol we run that too especially hot summer weather here in PA. I’m actually planning on a 22’ 150 and we run very similar stuff like those single trails wity the rocks and sticks logs. Seems like the bike ran fine down low and I’m a light rider 155lbs. Stock gearing? What gear were you flowing in there?
Stock gearing, mostly 3rd gear on these faster trails.
Great Review , 1) You spoke of an aftermarket '" COMFORTABLE " seat . Can you tell me where it was sourced . 2) How tall is the racer guy ( and approx weight) ( he mentioned the Beta was a bit cramped ) 3) Where about is the trail system you were riding . looked like east coast woods ? - Thanks a million !
1 I believe it was a seat concepts brand seat 2 Not sure, Kevin is pretty tall, maybe 6'. and 3 this is west coast of BC.
Hey PNW Enduro, what are your thoughts on the 21 Beta 200 RR 'Race Edition' with KYB forks? Would you think they would be too harsh for the type of riding you do or have you heard anything on these yet?
If I were to buy a Beat it would only be a race edition with KYB. Even if they are valved harsh from the factory they are very tune-able and far superior to the suspension on the standard editions. I loved the KYB's on the Sherco.
Hi. Please tell me where can I get such bag like you have on KTM 150 on the handlebar. I have now similar from Kriega, but this one looks a bit bigger, just like I need it
Chris at Trailbound sell them shop.trailbound.co/
Well done
I been eyeballing the KTM
Hey guys!
This is a good comparison specially because it has the opinion of 3 different people with different riding levels. Coming from a 2019 Beta 250 and that was too much for the tracks I ride, so decided to lower the displacement. Nowadays I own that same 150tpi and now after 6 months I kinda regret I didn't chose the Beta 200, not sad or disappointed with the 150 but those extra 50cc on the beta makes all the difference, of course everything depends on which kind of trails you ride, I've tried both and what made me choose the 150 was the lower price compared to the beta (1000$ more here in Sweden) and it will be easier to sell or swap when the time comes.
How is the 200rr vs the ktm 250 xcw ?
It looks like capital forest in Washington state please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was curious as to what you have the seat height set on the 150? Thanks
It's like 37 inches I think. I am 6ft and was tip toeing. Same with the 125xc.
@@bryman868 Hey thank you for the info!
I am very picky about handlebar/seat/footpeg vibration. In fact, my last 2 stroke was a 2012 KTM 250 XC-W and I switched to a 2014 350 XC-W because I couldn’t tolerate the vibration in the 250. I am wanting to try a 2020 TPI but don’t want the vibration of the older 2 strokes. I am curious to know what your experience with the 150 was as compared to your friends 350 when it comes to this subject?
The new counterbalanced KTM/Husky 2 strokes are so much smoother than the pre 2017 models. The 150 is as smooth as the 350 4 stroke in terms of vibration. If you have a chance, try out a 2017 or newer KTM/Husky and I'm sure you will be surprised at how much smoother they are compared to your 2012 bike.
@@PNWEnduro how did the Beta compare in that regard?
@@justinb.5561 200rr is not counterbalanced so it vibrates a fair bit. Most people get used to it and don’t think much about when riding but it is noticeable.
Is it a 250 or a 150. You said both
Caleigh mentioned the seat height of the Beta being an advantage, but the KTM had a lowered seat also. Do you remember if the KTM seat height was still higher than the Beta?
I don’t think the KTM had a higher seat height. Her suspension is set up really soft so the bike sits lower when you are on it.
Great to see a variety of riders with their own experiences and opinions. I have a KTM 150 XC and it always puts a smile on my face. I went from a 125cc to a 360cc to a 450, back to a 150cc. Welcome to check out my last video if you want to see a 150 rip a bit more. Thank you for the video it was well done. Cheers.
Would you recommend a 150 2 stroke for a beginner audibly rider?
You mentioned a lower seat on the KTM.
1) How much lower than stock?
2) Is this a KTM direct part# or option?
Thank you.
KTM powerparts just over 1/2" lower. Seat concepts one is 7/8" lower. Both a waste of money imo. Just take the stock seat, remove the cover and shave it down with sandpaper to the desired height. You can take over an inch off without losing too much comfort.
My hat's off to you guys, riding mud and slime with 1000 trees ready to jump in front of you. I'm a desert racer and I'll ride rocks as big as Volkswagons but I hate mud and slime. Keep the Faith.
We have mud and slime here 5 months a year, you get used to it. Kind of makes you feel like a hero when it dries out and traction is good though!
@@PNWEnduro I'll bet there is a real sweet spot for a while when, like Goldilocks, it's "JUST RIGHT: and a fella is glad he's alive! The days we all live for......
are you running a rekluse on the 150? it sounds like it, and watching your clutch hand made me wonder as well? Nice trails by the way!
Just got Husky TE 150, off of a 15 FE501 raced two seasons second year added a Rekluse, amazing difference, the 150 feels like I have a Rekluse but don’t I’m hardly reaching for the clutch, it is not what I expected, it is way better I’m not exhausted at the end of a hard days ride, I’m energized.glad I made the choice.
Rekluse is waste of $ on a 150.
They're great on a 250/300, or an XCF
@@chadrides914 my 501 has a Rekluse the 150 feels like it dose, but no the 150 is stock clutch.
You must not have read my hole comment, i stated that clearly that the 150 felt like it had a rekluse.
@@hoptard yo uh didnt read it properly the Rekluse is on my 501.
How tall is she?
any knowledge on the yz125x? Im looking at either the 150 xcw tpi or the 2020 yz125x. 21 yr old new rider, Ive been borrowing my dads 2020 beta xtrainer but looking at these 2 just because i know these bikes will force me to get better with the clutch and shifting. any thoughts?
I have not tried the 125x but have been on the 2020 Beta 125. They are fun but a lot more work to ride. The new 150 would be easier to learn on imo.
Noah Ashton - I went with the 125x for woods/enduro bike and I ride with 250 and 300 2t guys no problem. I’ve been riding awhile but I’m also 5’9” and 165 and reasonably fit. So I like being on the pipe more and using the clutch. I also like the sub 210lb weight wet. The kyb suspension on the yz I prefer over the ktm. I also enjoy the look on other riders face when they realize I’m on a 125. It hauls great in the woods and trails.
For a 21 yr old rider new to riding - get yz and pocket the extra money for parts to trick it out. It’s a great option / less money too...
There’s a reason KTM is releasing a 2021 carbureted 125 xc... it’s to compete with the yz125x. The yz will be far and away the cheapest to operate and maintain and Yamaha build quality is top notch...
I just wouldn’t pick it overall if I was riding majority more soft sand or wide open areas... but for that I’d pick a 4t anyway. It’s not where the smokers shine.
I agree with the front forks on the betas my 19 300rr is the same, it has a very harsh mid stroke. I will prob get mine revalved someday.
Can you include the riding area in your video, I’m also from the lower mainland and want to get out to some of these trails
Where did u get the graphics for 150?
Not my 150.
Hi
Love your videos. I’m looking to upgrade my bike from a beginner trail bike KLX 230 R.
I am older rider and not looking to win any races. 100% trail riding. Would yiu recommend the 150 XC-w over the 125 XC? Thanks
Yes, the 150xc-w will be a much easier bike to ride. The 125 needs to be ridden very aggressively.
Is the engine totally stock in the 150 XC-W? Also, how much do you weigh? Because I’m seeing other guys say the low end power sucks.
Stock. The 2017-2019 150's were weak, the 2020 is much better. I'm 150 w/o gear.
Thanks for the great video. Any thoughts on how heavy of a rider the ktm would be suitable for? I’ve been thinking a 300 would be my next bike but am now intrigued by the150 .
Depends on how/where you ride but I think the 150 wold be good for riders up to the 200 lb range. It would likely need stiffer springs for someone over 200 lbs.
Great video. Thx. Do you think the KTM 150 is a better bike then the KTM 200? I've had 3 200s hence why I'm curious. Tjx again.
I owned a 200XC-W for 5 years, it was my first "real" enduro bike. The suspension on the new 150 is better for sure but it lacks a bit of the punch the old 200's had.
The 2016 200 xcw had realy good forks (with lot of ajustment) + shock and great handling. On the new one the fork is....build cheap...and shock with smaler diameter. Don't know what is so great..maybe frame
@@mihaidobrescu7430 agreed 2016 200xcw best bike I've owned
Been following your channel for a while. The day has come where my wife wants a full sized bike for single track. She is still a beginner coming off of Ttr 125 . But she is a black-trail rider for DH mountain biking.
She is not super strong and is 5 foot 6in. Thoughts on 150 vs 200 vs x-trainer vs 300 ?
Aka what’s the best weight to lugability ratio for a progressing female ?
For weight to lug-ability the Beta x-trainer is a great choice. The suspension is not the greatest if you are riding faster and pushing hard but for someone learning trail riding it’s fine. It’s also smaller than the other 300’s which will be an advantage for a shorter/lighter rider.
Thank you dearly!
Anyone know if the new Husky 150i is the same engine or if mot how different?
Same motor, little diferences like clutch brand
How do you feel about the riding weight of both bike? Which one is more flickable and suits slow technical single trail better?
Good question. The KTM feels lighter and more nimble to me. The compact size of the Beta is nice though.
@@PNWEnduro what about the ability to lug a steep uphill? I'm torn between this 2 models, thanks for your great review anyway🙏🙏
1st gear the KTM wins, 2nd gear both do pretty well for a small bore bike.
@@PNWEnduro great to hear this as I feel my trails here in central PA will mostly be technical 1st and 2nd gear stuff as it gets flowing. Stock gearing might be best to pull the gears a little
Longer as I had thought off adding a 51 Tooth rear right away.
So im curious, how tall is Kaylee ? my wife is 5'4" and she has out grown her currant crf230 (she rides my 450 XC-F just can't touch the ground)and wants something more aggressive and lighter.
Not sure, maybe 5'5"?
I have the Beta Xtrainer, I’m 5’5 and had the bike lowered with the 2” lowering kit. It’s fine for what I ride, tight single track with rocks, roots and trees. The suspension is a little sketchy in 5th and above though. Beta does offer a BYOB program that you could upgrade to the high end Ohlins race suspension but it will add $3000 to the price. In hind sight I wish I would have chosen this option. The main reason I chose the Xtrainer is for the frame size and weight. It most definitely has helped progress my level of riding, especially in the nasty stuff.
Adam Newsom have you looked at amp motor sports suspension work..? Cheeper option people seem to like for the xtrainer susp
How can really tell which buke is best for me without riding them all.
$8-9k for a bike that I can't try out...
How can i ride these bikes before I buy them?
Some manufactures have demo days where you can try out the latest models.
Sounds to me like the carb'd 150s you rode before werent tuned. Just my .02
I agree, My 150 lugs like a champ.
Have you ridden a TPI? He said the TPI feels stronger down low, not the carb 150s feel weak ;-)
@@krazed0451 Yes, and I feel just like Jay Clark on this: A properly tuned carb is stronger overall. I'm not sure where he is getting this more low end thing from, my thought was from riding horribly tuned 150"s -- which all of them were stock. I bought a 19' this year and this was a deciding factor for sure. I do like the TPI's but not for the price. I paid $1200 less for the 19' than what they would sell me the 20 for. The extra carb work was worth it for me. I ride within one area most of the time so it's a non-issue for jetting.
@@SANDS78 Thanks for the detailed reply!
I test rode a Husky TE150i, it did Not have the power off idle like my KTM150 2018 does...I was very surprised. I swapped back and forth to confirm it was in fact the case.
Does anyone know the top speeds on the bikes
Depends on what gearing you ride
150xcw (carb) about 72mph w/stock gearing
Which bikes going to cost you more money when repair time comes along?
The KTM will cost a bit more as you need to change fuel filters and the oil pump should be replaced when you do a top end. Keep in mind the tpi bike uses less pre-mix and it's more fuel efficient so you save a bit there.
@@PNWEnduro how many hours for a top end?
Where are you guys riding? Absolutely beautiful
I don't post locations publicly.
PNW Enduro I meant the country/state
More than likely some where in Washington State
eric bell Thanks mate
Where are you riding? I'm from Minnesota and am very jealous! Might need to make a trip with the buds.
I don't post locations publicly. You can msg me on Instagram or FB for info.
@@PNWEnduro sounds good. I guess I didn't mean "where", I meant the general location, ie Washington, or BC. My sales territory includes WA, so it's been a dream of mine to drive from MN instead of flying and bring the bike.
Gas Gas should bring back the 125 smoker
what altitude are you riding at?
Not very high this ride, maybe 1500-2000'.
I thought I recognized your gf bro I almost bought the yamaha 450 from you on fb market place hahahaha
You know what would improve the 150XC?? About 50 more cc...
Depends how heavy you are. My lap times are faster on my 150 compared to my 300. It's like riding a mountain bike compared to the 3Hundo.
@@SANDS78 agreed, my favorite cc size is the 200. I've owned a 200 KTM several 250's and am looking for a BETA 200 for my next bike. I haven't ridden a TPI 150 yet though but I will and would like to see how it compares. I really like, as you described, the mountain bike feel, thin small and lite but with enough power..like a 200!
@@TepcoCycleRepair I have 200rr 2020..its dream bike..I'm have some experience with 150 and 200s in the past (I'm national champion in my country about 3 thime in the past)...so I pretty sure the 200rr is better bike
Early KTM 200 were based on the 125 not like the later version. I think your right 200 is probably the sweet spot for under 250cc as long as the weight is kept close to 150 weight.
@@firemenonbikes 200 rr is very light and when you remove oil tank and rear lights with plate holder its even lighter..200rr its very different bore to stroke compared to old 200s and it's the big difference
The 150's with the carbs totally rip, but you need to put a lot of time into fine tuning them.
Yep. Mine is a real pain. 2017 jetting is awefull
My 2018 150 with Lecton carb, FMF Shorty pipe and V Force reeds is awesome. It’s simple and bulletproof. I don’t care for TPI due to the complexity.
@@squirtsomedirt3161 I have some vids up for the culprits for 17-19 150's. It's super sad how bad the carbs and reeds were new.
@@SANDS78 iv done the jet block and float needle gasket, and if got vf4 reeds in since 9 hours. I just picked up a 30 and 35 pilot jet to try out and see how they go this weekend for the winter harescramble series
@@squirtsomedirt3161 Good deal, I run a 27.5 pilot, 490 Main. 600FT ASL. The RK Head Insert was also a wonderful mod. Note that if you go with modding your head insert or buy a RK, the bike loves a bigger main jet.
makes me wanna go wash my kdx
I wish the ktm 150xc was a bit smaller. My wife is a tiny 5fter and shes out riding her 03 xr100. The xr100 is the perfect size for her. Too bad ktm doesn't make the 105xc any more.
Have the 150 professionally lowered. Cut or buy the low seat. Install Low bars(protaper Steering stabilizer bend).
XTrainer 250
@@greatsouthernskythinking about your wife's bike option's, The KTM freeride 250 2stroke that has been discontinued is light & small in scale.
Columbia gorge? Washougal?
Tell that girl to stand up when riding!
Really? I'm sure you were an expert the first time you rode a dirt bike and already knew all the proper techniques.
@@PNWEnduro exactly learn to walk before you run. Better off learning the basics and throttle control sitting then progress to standing
pnw bleeds orange i don't know why he even test any other bikes
Both are far to small. Even a beginner will get sick of the power. Hey a 300cxw. I wish ktm made a 500 2t
Obviously a shit rider. Good riders routinely win the ISDE outright on 125's
I’ve been riding 40+ years and my bike in my garage today is a Beta 125RR Racing....wicked single track and handle tech terrain with ease, steps ups 5ft....no problem....splats....no problem....drag racing 450s.....it hang with them and beats those not willing to gangs into their throttle longer.
@@stephenhowland4326 well you must be quite a chicken and pussy to still be ridin a 125
@@tosgem you ignorant fuck when was the last time you rode a two stroke?
@@er1248 i will get one when I pass my licence which you need to ride even offroad here