i don't actually believe in block voting at Eurovision. countries vote for their neighbours because they know the artist/song and have the same musical tastes. This is not meant to cause any offense or to be negative cos most of the songs got points from all over Europe and deserved to however i thought it would be fun to do a compilation of how much certain countries do stay within their own region
Petra Mede summarized this in two verses: "Getting votes from your neighbors is a sure way to get your song disgraced. But when Sweden gets twelve points from Norway, it's clearly just good taste!"
When Greece and cyprus, and baltic countries give 12 points to each other Audience: Booooo And when scandinavian countries give 12 points to each other: Audience: Woooooow 👏
there's only about 2-3 Scandinavian countries in every final. The Balkans just do it even more obvious and ridiculously even if the songs are really bad...
@@superxero3837 ?????????????????????? That is a total lie, Portugal votes to whoever they want and barely even votes to Spain. Andorra is no longer in the Eurovision.
Narek Sargsyan Poland isn’t in good terms with Eastern European block either so let’s make friends and vote for each other, Czech Republic :P Just kidding, but anyway I’m going to vote for you this year because I love your 2018 entry. Wish you lots of points! You’ve been underrated last 2 years.
Thanks there, but I am not czech. I am Armenian . But I also love Czech Republic, and feel sorry for them, since their good songs do not receive proper points. Yeah, also Poland is a bit mocked by jury , that's real pain .
There is one pretty big difference: The Scandinavian countries don’t really vote for the neighbours with poor entries. Sure, when Norway send a really good song they get 12 from swe and den, but not if they send crap. And they don’t give ALL their points to neighbours. Balkan on the other hand, used to give every single point to neighbours regardless if they made an effort with their song or not. It was like they ignored all other nations even the winners. That is why the system had to change into the voting we have today. when the televote is combined to a mix we won’t have to see how self centered some nations are.
Tbh the balkan friendship society (ex yugo countries) is one of the funniest things in Eurovision! I love it because they always support their underrated neighbors :)
I find it cute that Slovenia and Croatia always vote for us. Especially Slovenia, since, unlike Croatia, they speak a different language and don't share that much pop-culture with Serbia. For Montenegro and Bosnia it is more expectable since, subversive politics aside, we are the same people with Montenegro (kinda like Greece and Cyprus) and half of Bosnia is within the "Serb Republic" plus basically every pop culture artist is shared among these countries.
I believe they just “get” each other, they have their own kind of sound which just sounds soo old and basic to other countries. Can’t fault them for going with what they know. I find Cyprus-Greece & Russia&Moldova worse.
Yes... two countries ruin the whole voting system... Let me remind you the yugoslavic block, the the russian block and the scandinavic block. All of those blocks contain more than four countries each but yes the problem is greece and cyprus. Just two countries. Good job man...good job... Btw i didnt see you saying anything about spain portugal, germany austria, roumania moldova, turkey azerbaijan.
Greek diaspora in the UK is something like a few 60,000 that accounts for approximately 0.06% of the population. I dont think it has the power to determine a 12 when you have massive diapora populations in the UK like Spanish, French, Irish, Polish, Lithuanians and Romanians
Mothers and Daughters Greece - Cyprus Turkey - Azerbaijan Serbia - Montenegro Romania - Moldova Finland - Estonia Sweden - Norway Denmark - Iceland UK - Australia
Greece Cyprus aren't mother and daughter.Cyprus made an attempt to unite with Greece, it's the same nation, politics(mainly british, as they have a military base on the island)blocked the union and now there are 2 countries.In the other cases, the countries have distinct national identities and vote out of sympathy or cultural ties!
Thanks for the video :) Some of those really don't deserve to be called "block/neighbour/predictable voting" tho, for example the ones who actually won the contest. Marija Serifovic from Serbia won, so obviously she's going to get lots of points from the former Yugoslav countries, there's nothing wrong with that. Or Lena from Germany got loads of 12p from all around Europe, in fact Germany has 9 neighbours but only 2 neighbours gave Lena 12p, so it's kinda unfair to label the one time Switzerland didn't give its 12p to Serbia/Albania/Turkey as "block/neighbour/predictable voting" for Germany here :D And the one time Denmark didn't vote for Sweden/Norway/Finland/Iceland... Same goes for Alexander Rybak, Mans Zelmerlöw, Loreen and Emmelie de Forest. They WON, so of course the Nordic countries gave a lot of points to the winner in that year. Nothing wrong with that. Or when Germany gave 12p to Nadine Beiler from Austria, which was actually the first 12p from Germany to Austria in like 50 years or something :D Wasn't predictable at all, actually. It was only possible because Turkey wasn't in the final that year. The only predictable thing about that year was the 10p to Greece. And literally the same applies to Germany's 12p to Tom Dice from Belgium. Wasn't predictable at all. The predictable things here were, again, the high points to Turkey and Greece. Also Maja Keuc, Jelena Tomasevic etc were amazing and deserved those points :) And how does Netherlands and France voting for Denmark belong into this video? Or Denmark voting for Ireland? Am I missing some secret connection between those countries? :D
Nutzername92a Yeah, I think votes to countries that were top3/top5 in the contest is rarely block voting because we see other countries voting for them. But when it happens like last year with Greece and Cyprus - it is block voting.
I don't think cases like Sweden voting for Norway in 2009 are that serious, as there were several other countries voting for Norway that year. You should concentrate on cases where a participating country got its votes mainly from it's voting block. Perhaps you should exclude top five songs of each year throughout, as they probably get relatively high points from everywhere.
Norway in that year is the country( with the old system) that got the highest points ever and EVERY participating country gave it points so yeah he would have still won without the Scandinavian 12’s.
this is not explained by politics. but just the neighboring people have a similar folklore and food and art. They understand the language and traditions and songs of each other. this is beyond any doubt sympathy sincere!
Yeah it kinda does. In Flanders (Dutchspeaking part of Belgium), the media publicly root for The Netherlands. However, their artists are quite known here and vice versa.
Yeah, ofcourse culture plays a big role in why people vote on their neighbours/people of the same culture. There are bad 100% generic songs that gets high points from it's neighbours though. That is literally political voting.
"Similar folklore..." What are you talking about? Most of the songs from Eurovision are very similar and have nothing in common with culture and folklor. And a lot of people even don't sing in their own languege (Germany 2018 - English, Sweden 2018 - English, Ukraine 2018 - English, Cyprus 2018 - English, Moldova 2018 - English so on).
Not true. I was just watching the 2003 contest, and Germany gave Poland 12 points for their highly political (though in a peace-mongering way) song. (Just for one example of the country getting 12 points, I'm certain there are many more)
Oh pls, I'm not sure if u can find it on the internet but for instance in the 1st semi final in 2019 every single one of the Serbian jurors put Montenegro 1st. I mean, come on I think we all remember that dreadful performance. On the other hand I get it. They literally participated as Serbia & Montenegro until 2007. With the Nordics I think it's a different story. Yes, they all (except Norway) gave their 12 to Sweden in 2019, but Spain, the Netherlands, Armenia and Czech republic did too. Which is not the case with Serbia and Montenegro for instance. Another fun fact: None of the Nordic juries gave a single point to Iceland in 2019. Anyway it's not the exact same story with the Nordics and Serbia and Montenegro and also Cyprus and Greece, bc the Nordics don't gave that kind a connection with each other. Like they don't share the same language, they have never been 1 country and I also don't think they share the same stars. So if u wanna say something about this, do it right and do ur research. Again I kinda get why Serbia and Montenegro exchanged their 12 in 2019, they were the same nation, but it's not really how it should be bc that song and performance from Montenegro were really...not good
@@FeeESC I'm from Serbia and everything you said I already knew. I personally find this from 2019 1st semi final jurors voting for Montenegro really weird, because jurors from Serbia usually try to be "objective", except for 2016 2nd semi final when most of jurors voted for FYR Macedonia because of Kaliopi (as she is known well in Serbia) and in this case (which is weird, because they are unknown in Serbia).
@@miloseviczarko45 yes exactly, i actually knew they were unknown there. I mean i get why they gave 12 to Nevena, the music genre, the language, I assume she is well known there too. Btw I loved Kaliopi so I'm happy u gave her those 12 she definitely deserved to qualify
This year wasnt bad with block voting in the juries except for maybe North Macedonia (the 12 points to Serbia was kind of odd considering how the other countries' juries voted)
I don’t think 12 points between CH, GER or AT are predictable at all because for some reason they don’t really act like Cyprus-Greece, Romania-Montenegro, NL-Belgium and so forth, so whenever they vote for each other it’s quite a thrill haha
As Greeks we vote for Cyprus because we have the same language, the same culture, just two different countries.. they are called Greek-Cypriots for a reason.. however, I didn’t see anyone bat an eye for the northern countries voting in between them (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, The Netherlands, etc)
4:19 is it really block voting when germany won and everyone seemed to enjoy. same with 2007 with serbia. is that block voting too. and in 2009, with norway or sweden, and 2012
Neighbour votes are not so exepcted. But, in my memory, in ESC '98 "douze points" from North Macedonia (F. Y. R. Macedonia in that year) to Croatia were shocking and unexpected, which had given win to Israel
It was really noticeable when Belgian jury gave no points to France this year and for less hard to understand reasons the Maltese one gave no points to Italy their closest neighbours.
See how they always choose the BEST song out of their block? Yes there is bias but a HUGE factor is song quality. No country is ever guaranteed a point if they don't put in the work, even russia or sweden
I mean, many people think Denmark and the Netherlands are the same country, so that might be why. Plus, the Dutch have a history of migration to Denmark back in the 15th century, so could be why.
In my ideal 2021 voting, I really hate the song from Cyprus. It got 24 points and finished last. All of them are from Greece. And Finland came second last with 40 points, getting some from the Nordics and Estonia. Spain was third last with 48, with half of the points coming from Portugal.
Without actually hearing the songs in question, nor seeing the voting patterns of the other juries for these same songs, it's hard to say with any certainty that these votes were CAUSED by the countries being neighbors/within a block.
I always hate when the French presentator (with the francophone countries too) is the only one to speak French when they give their points...I feel like we are always the only one to not make the effort to speak English ! (I’m French)
La français est une des langues officielles de l'Eurovision, à partir de là je trouve que c'est justifié, ça fait du bien d'entendre du français dans cet univers de langue anglaise 😅
Nordics are the worst for it, in 2008 Denmark was last to vote and gave their 8 to Norway, 10 to Iceland, and 12 to Sweden, all of whom were on the bottom of the board.
It's always hilarious to watch the block voting, especially when the songs get zero points from everyone else. Never a shock to see Greece and Cyprus at it, always makes me laugh. Some countries fortunately do have the imagination to vote for non neighbours.
Hungary doesn’t have that close of a connection to Serbia, also Albania doesn’t have one with Italy. You should have included more Greece- Cyprus instead ;) and the year when Serbia was a favorite to win, I don’t think that counts.
Portugal actually received more points from France than Spain in it's entire eurovision history. Even these days we score higher in french jury rather than Spanish or Italian xD
Fact (just check it if you don't believe me): no 2 other countries have given each other as many points as Greece and Cyprus. Sure, other countries might be guilty of block/neighbour-voting, but Greece-Cyprus win this shameful 'competition' hands down. No other countries even come close! Funny how all Greeks/Cypriots in this thread don't even seem to understand that saying 'but we are the same nation' is not an excuse for voting for each other: it is a SONG contest in which you're supposed to vote for the song you like best - not for the COUNTRY you like best...
More than 250 thousand ethnic Hungarians living in the northern part of Serbia, which is called 'Vojvodina'. And this is a type of "diaspora" voting. Also nowadays, we enjoy a not so bad relationship.
No offense but how is Austria voting for Serbia counted as block voting/neighbour voting? Marija and Serbia is nowhere related to Austria Denmark and France in 2013 is the same case
Italy doesn't receive any political points considering that San Marino gave us 12 points only twice, Albania gives us 12 because Sanremo is very popular and in 2019 they don't give top marks to us...
us azeris always gave 12 points to turkey and so did they, but they don't participate now so we give our points to russia :) and they actually were the only ones who gave 12 points to chingiz
But some countries has deserved the 12 points for example Iceland to Sweden in 2012 or it has a lot of example France to Denmark in 2013 or Spain to Portugal in 2017 it's not all politic but most of it i think is but anyway they have deserved
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i don't actually believe in block voting at Eurovision. countries vote for their neighbours because they know the artist/song and have the same musical tastes. This is not meant to cause any offense or to be negative cos most of the songs got points from all over Europe and deserved to however i thought it would be fun to do a compilation of how much certain countries do stay within their own region
Petra Mede summarized this in two verses: "Getting votes from your neighbors is a sure way to get your song disgraced. But when Sweden gets twelve points from Norway, it's clearly just good taste!"
It depends. Portugal gave almost every time 12 points to either Spain, Ukraine or Moldova and none of their songs/artists are famous there.
missing Malta - UK here
But you are so right! We have similar music tastes with neighbours and it is nothing wrong in this
Serbia-Hungary isn’t actually predictable
oh yes denmark and ireland, historic neighbours
He put Denmark and Ireland because Denmark gets 12 points from Ireland and then Ireland gets 12 points from Denmark in return
@@samuelmurofranco coincidental. not political. both songs scored highly that year
When Greece and cyprus, and baltic countries give 12 points to each other
Audience: Booooo
And when scandinavian countries give 12 points to each other:
Audience: Woooooow 👏
Because their songs are usually getting points from other countries too.
@@cameronclare2132 Greek songs too haha
there's only about 2-3 Scandinavian countries in every final. The Balkans just do it even more obvious and ridiculously even if the songs are really bad...
@@lonelycrona2388 And?
I honestly think it's embarasing that Denmark gives 12 points to Sweden every year and I'm from Denmark 😅
“ThIs Is ThE rEaSoN wHy We DoN’t GeT aNy PoInTs In EuRoViSiOn. It’S aLl PoLiTiCs”
-Every British local
All french too
Hahaha, did you hear Russian news when Sergey didn't win in 2016? It was funny and annoying at the same time
Same thing happens with Spain.
@@RAFA2706BR Spain gets 12 points from Portugal and Andora every year
@@superxero3837 ??????????????????????
That is a total lie, Portugal votes to whoever they want and barely even votes to Spain.
Andorra is no longer in the Eurovision.
Scandinavian block , Balkan block, Eastern European block, Baltic block, Western European block , and Czech Republic
Narek Sargsyan Poland isn’t in good terms with Eastern European block either so let’s make friends and vote for each other, Czech Republic :P Just kidding, but anyway I’m going to vote for you this year because I love your 2018 entry. Wish you lots of points! You’ve been underrated last 2 years.
Thanks there, but I am not czech. I am Armenian . But I also love Czech Republic, and feel sorry for them, since their good songs do not receive proper points. Yeah, also Poland is a bit mocked by jury , that's real pain .
"and Czech Republic"
Rip Czech Republic. Although to me it looks as though Slovakia is the most alone one.
There is no eastern block
+Malévia Studio *Anymore
It's funny people calling out block voting, except when it comes to Scandinavians. Nobody boos or roll their eyes there.
Well, it's hard when they're all good. And btw, Sweden has given Ireland most points
Facts
People do roll their eyes.
The Balkan songs are usually good, its just cause it isn’t tacky Western European pop
There is one pretty big difference:
The Scandinavian countries don’t really vote for the neighbours with poor entries. Sure, when Norway send a really good song they get 12 from swe and den, but not if they send crap. And they don’t give ALL their points to neighbours.
Balkan on the other hand, used to give every single point to neighbours regardless if they made an effort with their song or not. It was like they ignored all other nations even the winners.
That is why the system had to change into the voting we have today. when the televote is combined to a mix we won’t have to see how self centered some nations are.
It's not really political voting when the country is already in the top 3 or even in first. :/
As a Greek I remember when in 2015 I think, we didn't exchange 12 points with Cyprus and everyone was shocked, including us 😂
That can't happen again.
It happened a year later (2016), albeit one way (Greece weren’t in the final)
Tbh the balkan friendship society (ex yugo countries) is one of the funniest things in Eurovision! I love it because they always support their underrated neighbors :)
I find it cute that Slovenia and Croatia always vote for us. Especially Slovenia, since, unlike Croatia, they speak a different language and don't share that much pop-culture with Serbia. For Montenegro and Bosnia it is more expectable since, subversive politics aside, we are the same people with Montenegro (kinda like Greece and Cyprus) and half of Bosnia is within the "Serb Republic" plus basically every pop culture artist is shared among these countries.
yet they have barely won...
Not anymore. Look from 2016 onwards.
I believe they just “get” each other, they have their own kind of sound which just sounds soo old and basic to other countries. Can’t fault them for going with what they know. I find Cyprus-Greece & Russia&Moldova worse.
Not enough Cyprus-Greece
Snowcold Cyprus and Greece are like one country, same language,same culture, same religion, same everything.
Honestly its not even needed to point that out since everybody knows its the same every year
Sehun ́s Mom yes. Everybody knows that both are like one country but whole europe shouting when grece and cyprus voting each other.
Yes... two countries ruin the whole voting system... Let me remind you the yugoslavic block, the the russian block and the scandinavic block. All of those blocks contain more than four countries each but yes the problem is greece and cyprus. Just two countries. Good job man...good job... Btw i didnt see you saying anything about spain portugal, germany austria, roumania moldova, turkey azerbaijan.
I dont get why people always complain about cyprus and greece? Like there arent other countries doing the same
How can you say united kingdom voting greece was a predictable neighbour voting when they're so far ?!
Probably he meant Greek diaspora in UK
Greek diaspora in the UK is something like a few 60,000 that accounts for approximately 0.06% of the population. I dont think it has the power to determine a 12 when you have massive diapora populations in the UK like Spanish, French, Irish, Polish, Lithuanians and Romanians
miniek90 there more british people in greece than uk
I don’t know but i love your aj lee photo!!
shaundi you ahahahah so true
Mothers and Daughters
Greece - Cyprus
Turkey - Azerbaijan
Serbia - Montenegro
Romania - Moldova
Finland - Estonia
Sweden - Norway
Denmark - Iceland
UK - Australia
For Romania and Moldova, its more in the Brother and Brother side
Malta-Italy
Greece Cyprus aren't mother and daughter.Cyprus made an attempt to unite with Greece, it's the same nation, politics(mainly british, as they have a military base on the island)blocked the union and now there are 2 countries.In the other cases, the countries have distinct national identities and vote out of sympathy or cultural ties!
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Back when australia gave us 0 points two years in a row - uk
Thanks for the video :)
Some of those really don't deserve to be called "block/neighbour/predictable voting" tho, for example the ones who actually won the contest. Marija Serifovic from Serbia won, so obviously she's going to get lots of points from the former Yugoslav countries, there's nothing wrong with that.
Or Lena from Germany got loads of 12p from all around Europe, in fact Germany has 9 neighbours but only 2 neighbours gave Lena 12p, so it's kinda unfair to label the one time Switzerland didn't give its 12p to Serbia/Albania/Turkey as "block/neighbour/predictable voting" for Germany here :D And the one time Denmark didn't vote for Sweden/Norway/Finland/Iceland...
Same goes for Alexander Rybak, Mans Zelmerlöw, Loreen and Emmelie de Forest. They WON, so of course the Nordic countries gave a lot of points to the winner in that year. Nothing wrong with that.
Or when Germany gave 12p to Nadine Beiler from Austria, which was actually the first 12p from Germany to Austria in like 50 years or something :D Wasn't predictable at all, actually. It was only possible because Turkey wasn't in the final that year. The only predictable thing about that year was the 10p to Greece.
And literally the same applies to Germany's 12p to Tom Dice from Belgium. Wasn't predictable at all. The predictable things here were, again, the high points to Turkey and Greece.
Also Maja Keuc, Jelena Tomasevic etc were amazing and deserved those points :)
And how does Netherlands and France voting for Denmark belong into this video? Or Denmark voting for Ireland? Am I missing some secret connection between those countries? :D
Nutzername92a Yeah, I think votes to countries that were top3/top5 in the contest is rarely block voting because we see other countries voting for them. But when it happens like last year with Greece and Cyprus - it is block voting.
Denmark and France is odd but Ireland-Denmark it is predictable sometimes, not as strong as the main blocks but it is.
Turkey has a fanatic diaspora in Switzerland though, around 1% of total pop.
2:57 I think it's one of the rare cases San Marino gave us a twelve
Yes. San Marino always vote for Azerbaijan
@@samuelmurofranco So random
I don't think cases like Sweden voting for Norway in 2009 are that serious, as there were several other countries voting for Norway that year. You should concentrate on cases where a participating country got its votes mainly from it's voting block. Perhaps you should exclude top five songs of each year throughout, as they probably get relatively high points from everywhere.
Same with Serbia in 2007
Norway in that year is the country( with the old system) that got the highest points ever and EVERY participating country gave it points so yeah he would have still won without the Scandinavian 12’s.
France, Germany, and the Netherlands didn't vote for Belgium in 2015 because they're neighbours, Loïc Nottet is just a legend!!🖤💛❤
Denmark always give sweden but they never give back lol
Wow, in one year Moldova didn't give 12 points to Romania, only gave 10
we need to be sent back to gulag for pulling such fucked up shit on our romanian brothers
worse, once they gave us only 6
I remember watching that with my family and I was very shocked
Not enoigh netherlands - belgium
Of Nederland - Duitsland
Because they vote honest :)
Jokes on you BOTH Belgium and Germany didn't gave the Netherlands 12 points this year. Well the Netherlands still won without that political bullshit
@@gabs3901 The Netherlands did get 12 points from the Belgian televote
Klara Debaere bc it was the best song, usual they dont give 12 points to their neighbours, balkans do it everytime
this is not explained by politics. but just the neighboring people have a similar folklore and food and art. They understand the language and traditions and songs of each other. this is beyond any doubt sympathy sincere!
Especially when it comes to normal pop songs that could've been sent by any country.
Yeah it kinda does. In Flanders (Dutchspeaking part of Belgium), the media publicly root for The Netherlands. However, their artists are quite known here and vice versa.
Yeah, ofcourse culture plays a big role in why people vote on their neighbours/people of the same culture. There are bad 100% generic songs that gets high points from it's neighbours though. That is literally political voting.
"Similar folklore..."
What are you talking about? Most of the songs from Eurovision are very similar and have nothing in common with culture and folklor. And a lot of people even don't sing in their own languege (Germany 2018 - English, Sweden 2018 - English, Ukraine 2018 - English, Cyprus 2018 - English, Moldova 2018 - English so on).
When everyone says that Eastern Europe is voting for Poland.
Last 12 points for Poland: 2003
Denmark and Ireland was just a coincidence xD
Belgian commentators always complained about bloc voting but were expecting high points from France and the Netherlands...
Most of votes are political, that's why Poland never gets 12 points
Maybe people just didn't like the song enough?
@@cgfischer Poland has always been popular amongst the public. Take 2016 for example
Or Hungary or Slovakia for that matter... no one cares about Central Europe lol
Not true. I was just watching the 2003 contest, and Germany gave Poland 12 points for their highly political (though in a peace-mongering way) song. (Just for one example of the country getting 12 points, I'm certain there are many more)
Scandinavian countries voting for turkey isn’t predictable
Cmon how is Austria 12 points to Serbia bloc voting ?
2007 our (Serbian) song got 12 points from many other contries not only neighbors.. And our song was amazing -.-
Lol no Verka was better
My opinion
Verka better than this...
Ex Yugoslav countries form 2016 onwards are definitely not like this anymore while Nordics are still giving themselves maximum score.
Oh pls, I'm not sure if u can find it on the internet but for instance in the 1st semi final in 2019 every single one of the Serbian jurors put Montenegro 1st. I mean, come on I think we all remember that dreadful performance.
On the other hand I get it. They literally participated as Serbia & Montenegro until 2007.
With the Nordics I think it's a different story. Yes, they all (except Norway) gave their 12 to Sweden in 2019, but Spain, the Netherlands, Armenia and Czech republic did too. Which is not the case with Serbia and Montenegro for instance.
Another fun fact: None of the Nordic juries gave a single point to Iceland in 2019.
Anyway it's not the exact same story with the Nordics and Serbia and Montenegro and also Cyprus and Greece, bc the Nordics don't gave that kind a connection with each other. Like they don't share the same language, they have never been 1 country and I also don't think they share the same stars.
So if u wanna say something about this, do it right and do ur research. Again I kinda get why Serbia and Montenegro exchanged their 12 in 2019, they were the same nation, but it's not really how it should be bc that song and performance from Montenegro were really...not good
@@FeeESC I'm from Serbia and everything you said I already knew. I personally find this from 2019 1st semi final jurors voting for Montenegro really weird, because jurors from Serbia usually try to be "objective", except for 2016 2nd semi final when most of jurors voted for FYR Macedonia because of Kaliopi (as she is known well in Serbia) and in this case (which is weird, because they are unknown in Serbia).
@@miloseviczarko45 yes exactly, i actually knew they were unknown there. I mean i get why they gave 12 to Nevena, the music genre, the language, I assume she is well known there too. Btw I loved Kaliopi so I'm happy u gave her those 12 she definitely deserved to qualify
This year wasnt bad with block voting in the juries except for maybe North Macedonia (the 12 points to Serbia was kind of odd considering how the other countries' juries voted)
Well Serbia's never gonna get zero points just sayin' - Iceland did but I guess you can say the same about most of the Nordic countries in fairness.
I don’t think 12 points between CH, GER or AT are predictable at all because for some reason they don’t really act like Cyprus-Greece, Romania-Montenegro, NL-Belgium and so forth, so whenever they vote for each other it’s quite a thrill haha
Romania does not give 12p to Montenegro nor vice versa.
Verovatno se zbunio. Pretpostavljam da je mislio Romania - Moldova :)
As Greeks we vote for Cyprus because we have the same language, the same culture, just two different countries.. they are called Greek-Cypriots for a reason.. however, I didn’t see anyone bat an eye for the northern countries voting in between them (Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, The Netherlands, etc)
Sonja_yu i meant Moldova, sorry
Eva Para yeah usually culturally similar countries like each other. But not the Germanic ones for some reason and I find that somehow funny haha
4:19 is it really block voting when germany won and everyone seemed to enjoy. same with 2007 with serbia. is that block voting too. and in 2009, with norway or sweden, and 2012
Neighbour votes are not so exepcted. But, in my memory, in ESC '98 "douze points" from North Macedonia (F. Y. R. Macedonia in that year) to Croatia were shocking and unexpected, which had given win to Israel
Netherlands to Denmark isn't predictable at all
literally 12 points to their neighbours, this is still a thing in the 2024 contest
whether thats in the Scandinavia, the former USSR, the former Yugoslavia, the Baltics, the Iberian peninsula, the Mediterranean or the Caucasus
to be fair molitva was easily the best song that year
It was really noticeable when Belgian jury gave no points to France this year and for less hard to understand reasons the Maltese one gave no points to Italy their closest neighbours.
Azerbaijan Turkey
See how they always choose the BEST song out of their block? Yes there is bias but a HUGE factor is song quality. No country is ever guaranteed a point if they don't put in the work, even russia or sweden
They may have the same taste of music hahaha, and they can understand language :P
I mean, of course the Portugal and Spain voting was predictable. We're basically brothers supporting each other.
Israel and Armenia? What’s the connection?
I didn‘t know Austria and Serbia are neighbors😂
Hungary was sandwiched between 2 of them
I dont think when they give points to their neighbours when they are in first it has nothing to do with neighbours
6:08-6:32 the best part.
Send good song to Eurovision and try to win this contest 🚫
Separate yourself to 2 countries and vote for each other ✅
Is Serbia>
I mean, many people think Denmark and the Netherlands are the same country, so that might be why. Plus, the Dutch have a history of migration to Denmark back in the 15th century, so could be why.
Turkey, Malta and Greece are neither neighbours of the UK nor are they predictable votes. This video is very confusing.
In my ideal 2021 voting, I really hate the song from Cyprus. It got 24 points and finished last. All of them are from Greece.
And Finland came second last with 40 points, getting some from the Nordics and Estonia.
Spain was third last with 48, with half of the points coming from Portugal.
9:41 how’s that predictable?
Ancient armenian city in France - Martsakh. French people call it as Marseille.
Ireland and Denmark are not block voting
In France we have become the only honest since there is no longer Turkey.
15:39
this cannot happen again...
You forgot 2014 Lithuania gave 12 to Armenia, lots of Latvia to Lithuania and Estonia to Finland and shit like that
Without actually hearing the songs in question, nor seeing the voting patterns of the other juries for these same songs, it's hard to say with any certainty that these votes were CAUSED by the countries being neighbors/within a block.
Yes, some of the times here they voted for the favorite (like Norway 2008).
Best neighbors Germany and Turkey
6.38 is not very much politics. It's not that surprising that someone gave 12 pts to Loreen
ah yes germany and turkey, neighbours.
Austria and Serbia aren't neighboring countries, and neither are Germany and Turkey
Did you hear for the word called "Diaspora"?
I always hate when the French presentator (with the francophone countries too) is the only one to speak French when they give their points...I feel like we are always the only one to not make the effort to speak English ! (I’m French)
i think its better for countries to speak in their language
La français est une des langues officielles de l'Eurovision, à partir de là je trouve que c'est justifié, ça fait du bien d'entendre du français dans cet univers de langue anglaise 😅
Nordics are the worst for it, in 2008 Denmark was last to vote and gave their 8 to Norway, 10 to Iceland, and 12 to Sweden, all of whom were on the bottom of the board.
0:57? Why?
It's always hilarious to watch the block voting, especially when the songs get zero points from everyone else. Never a shock to see Greece and Cyprus at it, always makes me laugh. Some countries fortunately do have the imagination to vote for non neighbours.
Sir Terry Wogan always got so annoyed 😢
Hungary doesn’t have that close of a connection to Serbia, also Albania doesn’t have one with Italy. You should have included more Greece- Cyprus instead ;) and the year when Serbia was a favorite to win, I don’t think that counts.
thought it was BLOC voting because of the eastern bloc but please tell me if I'm wrong
You missed Slovenia-Croatia in 1998 and Bosnia & Herzegovina-Croatia in so many years.
Remember that Greece got their only points from Cyprus that year.
Lithuania does not vote for Russia in buttbuddy ways, we have a much, much smaller Russian population, Latvia and Estonia have over 30%.
Bri'ish "people" shouldn't complain about Cyprus-Greece voting each other. We would've been a single nation now if it wasn't for them
Very true haha
Tyvm but it isn’t “British people” only doing that it’s loads of countries
there is one country that doesn't do this yes Australia i love you because of that ;)
Yes that is very true
@@pasqualinoabbadini5261 only one
Portugal actually received more points from France than Spain in it's entire eurovision history. Even these days we score higher in french jury rather than Spanish or Italian xD
Not enough Cyprus-Greece or Romania-Moldova.
ppl from outside Europe should be voting too to give some neutral points
Yes, Austria and Serbia are the *BEST* neighbors xD
Many serbian ppl live in austria
Fact (just check it if you don't believe me): no 2 other countries have given each other as many points as Greece and Cyprus. Sure, other countries might be guilty of block/neighbour-voting, but Greece-Cyprus win this shameful 'competition' hands down. No other countries even come close! Funny how all Greeks/Cypriots in this thread don't even seem to understand that saying 'but we are the same nation' is not an excuse for voting for each other: it is a SONG contest in which you're supposed to vote for the song you like best - not for the COUNTRY you like best...
Sweden giving 12 points to Norway in 2009 probably wasn't based on the brotherhood, since most of Europe gave their twelve points to Norway as well.
I hate when people in the audience say , booooooooo’
Well voting for your neighbour regardless if the song is good or bad is kind of cheating in a way so I understand people that react that way.
@@cant_handle_deeznuts How is it cheating when everyone does it?
uh, how are Serbia and Hungary bloc voting for eachother??
More than 250 thousand ethnic Hungarians living in the northern part of Serbia, which is called 'Vojvodina'.
And this is a type of "diaspora" voting. Also nowadays, we enjoy a not so bad relationship.
I don't understand how Hungary got here tbh.
Except for Poland noone really likes us in a way that they would bloc-vote, so...
No offense but how is Austria voting for Serbia counted as block voting/neighbour voting? Marija and Serbia is nowhere related to Austria
Denmark and France in 2013 is the same case
Lot of Serbs live in Austria, that's why.
Austria voting for Serbia, in the year when Serbia won, is meant to be political somehow??
Not sure what the connection between France and Armenia is
Very good relations and the large Armenian diaspora in France.
Italy doesn't receive any political points considering that San Marino gave us 12 points only twice, Albania gives us 12 because Sanremo is very popular and in 2019 they don't give top marks to us...
I often see people like “Not even _Ireland_ gave us any points!” Like they completely forgot 1916 existed.
Where is Portugal - Brazil?
Lithuania voting for Georgia isn't even remotely political. That's ridiculous.
Uknis neighbour with turkey?
Immigrants
Denmark-Ireland, Serbia-Hungary
I mean dafuq?
The actual Hungarian performer that got 12 points from Serbia was born in Northern SRB. Her entire hometown voted for her. :)
But that is an exceptional case, usually they don't vote for each other.
Serbian televoters gave Hungary 12 points again. :)
Probably the ethnic Hungarians and Serbian rockers joined forced and voted. :)
BaksBaksBaks Hungarian song was awesome.
BaksBaksBaks yea i think so thx for them :)
us azeris always gave 12 points to turkey and so did they, but they don't participate now so we give our points to russia :) and they actually were the only ones who gave 12 points to chingiz
love u guys from İstanbul :)
You should watch the 1966 voting and wait for the Scandinavian countries to vote lmfao
At least we can always rely on at least 1 of Ireland, Malta or Australia
I feel like Denmark is a little bit outsider since they sometimes got 0 point from the other Nordic countries😂😂
You forgot about the kings of neighbourly voting - Greece & Cyprus
no one neighbor romance language country voted for Italy
only slavic countries voted for Italy
Austria-Serbia why ??
So many serbians live in austria
Scandinavian block killed ESC😢 Sweden as their leader, sure!
11:10?
Eski günler
Yugoslav block
Azerbaycan Türkiye ❤❤
Así no vota a España ni su madre
Ps si :v
But some countries has deserved the 12 points for example Iceland to Sweden in 2012 or it has a lot of example France to Denmark in 2013 or Spain to Portugal in 2017 it's not all politic but most of it i think is but anyway they have deserved