Damon: "Mr. Player how are you?" *Gary launches into a two minute rant in which he faults chambers bay for using too much water and causing unhappy marriages*
Chambers Bay has awesome greens now, I set the course this morning and our tee sheet is packed every day even in the middle of winter... The place is entirely addicting even for older players nowadays.
That's the point of a US Open course. The USGA picks difficult and challenging courses for the US Open that will punish bad shots more severely than bad shots at a less challenging course.
I agree with him to some extent. However, I hate watching golf courses where players can drive par 4's and hit par 5's in 2 and final scores of 20 under.
that's why Gary believes the golf balls should be regulated differently so they don't travel as far with today's tech. R&A/PGA set the requirements for ball specs... so change them.
@@FloridaManRacer It isn't lengthening a course by 300 or 500 yards that increase the cost in water dramatically. Most of the time it's only building 8 or 10 back tees, not changing the existing course like for example lengthening the fairway (mowing it closer to the front tee). ;) I think Chambers Bay is a great course but it's just not a course that can be played in tournament conditions in June after an exceptional heat period.
I certainly liked Chambers Bay more than Erin Hills. I don't see the US Open coming back to Erin Hills. These players are so powerful off the tee and incredibly good, that it requires a pretty tough course for the winning score not to be near 20 under.
Player is nuts! The course may be 7900 yards but it was hard as a rock, like a British Open course, so it didn't play that long. The greens may have been a problem but you cant argue with the incredible last round and all the drama that was there. Maybe they should let the rough grow 7 inches so that you cant play out of it like they do at most US Open courses, which by the way are mostly Country Club courses that you and I cant play, that is really fun golf. I wont play at Chambers Bay mostly because they are charging over $200 a round, not because he doesn't like how much water the course needs because the world has a water shortage. He probably has a case of sour grapes since he didn't get the bid to design the course.
The guy in booth says that we've had the most 60's in the U.S. Open ever, you have to remember this is a par 70 course unlike most, if not all, are par 72 and that's a difference of 2 strokes so that stat doesn't mean anything. If you take the 60's from here and add 2 then you can give me that stat.
Some players were complaining about the greens. I thought it was great to see how they faired on greens the average player plays on every day in regards to condition. I have played a Robert Trent Jones, Jr. designed course and it was very challenging. The Dunes style course design is not his typical type of course design. It looks like a wonderful design and I think it will improve once it matures.
I've played there and saw the green conditions during the tournament, they were the worst greens I'd ever seen - far worse than any muni course I've ever played.
except he's spewing pure bullshit here. Chambers is not that hard...they can make it uses championship worthy, but day to day, people can shoot their handicap with a good caddie. he's bashing a rival course designer here, that's his only purpose here. I shot two 69's here. Granted I'm a pro, but it's a very playable course in day to day conditions
Not sure where he got his “facts” from but Chambers Bay is one of the most eco friendly golf courses on the planet. Other golf courses are trying to model after them. Got a ton of respect for the man, but find something else to complain about.
I live right by this course and play every Sunday? Sad thing is the greens now are crazy good and fast, unlike the open. I think the Usga should giive them 9-10 years to fix the greens, then I think they can host another one. If the greens are like they are now, it would be great.
Old man yells at cloud. This course looked amazing on TV. I know the greens had problems with multiple grass species but this US Open was awesome to watch. I think there was only 1 unfair hole which was on too much of a side slope. I'd love to play Chambers Bay. Try building this course in flat Houston where I live.
Yeah the USGA is actually at fault. I swear to God this was the greatest course ever selected.... It had to do with the USGA no water initiative which is why the course was brown
I disagree with Gary here. I like the fact that the best golfers in the world are being challenged at a major tournament. This course is rewarding precision and accuracy and is requiring strategy on EACH shot. It's a nice change of pace. Love it!
Its a wannabe links course that has been dug out and built up to an abortion, real links courses are built on the natural surroundings and landscape....accuracy and precision?...bullshit.
While I agree with all your thoughts on amateur golf, this is suppose to be hard. It's supposed to be the hardest tournament of the year and if the players are not complaining then it is a pga not a U.S. Open. This tournament unlike all the others par is a great score and I hope it stays that way.
I learned to play golf at Chambers Bay about 6 years ago. I play there all the time. I feel like the other courses around the Puget Sound (and some in Oregon) are too easy to play and not as fun as Chambers. I'd rather have those crazy slopes because it's fun trying to strategize ways to use them.
Ill file this comment under "things that didn't happen". Greens fees at Chambers for residents of WA are still 150+ per round. Non residents are nearly double. Learning to play there is probably the most illogical thing you can imagine. Imagine learning to ski at an expensive resort with only black diamond runs. The challenge of the course would be lost on the fact that you are still learning how to play. You could learn to play for free at a local park in an unused soccer field and learn more than playing Chambers Bay.
He is 100% correct. Amateur golf is in trouble. 5 hour plus rounds on a Saturday is not unusual. Not much fun unless you play of 7 or less. Oddly my wife is S African born and bred. She grew up in the same road as Gary and indeed Sol Kerzner of Sun City fame had houses. As a young child she would trot down to Gary's house to play with his kids. I asked did you realise who Gary Player was - she said not a clue. He never mentioned it. She is very fond of him and his family - happy memories. He is a good guy.
he understands golf course and how to play the game. I would rather the us open be held in new york, California or Pennsylvania. north and south Carolina as well. how about oregon??
That's bullshit. I've been golfing since 1975. Courses have become like conveyor belts in a production line. Get ' em in, and get 'em out as fast as possible. I've been on a public course where our group was told to skip a hole to promote faster play. This after we paid $180 per person, so thats $720 our group paid to play 18 holes. Slow or not, you pay, you play.. all the holes you pay for. I remember walking courses and enjoying the round. Now carts are mandatory. Courses are designed easier with the mindset of getting players off the course asap instead of the mindset of creating an enjoyable challenging course.
slow fucks like you make golf unplayable at public courses. Sorry if the average person doesn't enjoy a 5+ hour round. Joining a private club was the best decision i've made.
Gary Player is completely right. Those people saying "Well, someone won (Spieth at -5), so all the complainers are just whining" don't get it. Of course SOMEONE has to come out on top...on top of an entire field that was disgusted with the greens and the course of Chambers Bay. Without a doubt, it is a poorly designed course with incredibly unfair layouts to both the players and the FANS. The fans were so far away from the players, unable to even see the players on some holes. And to claim that this course was built "for the U.S. Open"??? Ridiculous! It is a horrible course. Just because Jordan Spieth didn't really say anything publicly doesn't mean he liked the course. I'm sure if you were close to him and asked him how he truly felt about the course, he'd tell you how poor the greens were and how bad of a golf course it was. There is no denying it: Chambers Bay is a bad golf course for all golf, and the USGA should never go back.
MrElculver2424 You obviously never played Chambers Bay and don't know anything about golf. US open layout suppose to be tough. USGA made it tough for the US Open but it's actually very easy golf course to play for amateurs. They have tees ranging from 5000 yards to 7100 yards. It was voted one of easiest golf course for women. 2015 US Open had most rounds in 60's and if you look at one-putt percentage, it was one of the highest in US Open history. These was only one hole where fans couldn't get close to players, number 8. In fact, my 6 year old niece got golf balls from few of the players on Saturday. If you ever been to big golf tournaments, you can't follow one group because of crowd size. You can agree with this senile idiot all you want but it just makes you sound like an ignorant senile fool. Gary Player's bid to design Chambers Bay was rejected 9 years ago because his design called for boring unimaginative golf course. What an old bitter fool.
marinersebay There's a difference between "tough" and "impossible". I don't mean that it's impossible to play, but if perfect shots don't work, then the course is crap. Period. If you don't see it, you need your head checked. To be sure, I'm not entirely on Gary Player's side, either. I don't have a problem with high bunkers. Bunkers are a hazard and should be penalizing. I also think these greens would have been bearable if they were at least in decent shape.
impossible? they were -5 so?? and they were not perfect shots if they didn't stay on the green. open requires the absolute best shots to be rewarded not just good shots. have you played it? or even been there? im sure not. was greatest and most exciting open in years
Michael Preiss All of the players were mentioning how mis-hits would work that wouldn't on any other course in the world, and how perfect hits weren't working that would work on almost any other course in the world. Clearly you didn't watch. The course was trashed. I would love to play that course, but not how the usga raped it.
A course should reward accurate shots and penalize bad ones, but over and over again shots that were right on the money ended up rolling 50-60 yards or more off target. Yes, every player has to play the same course, but tricking up courses like the USGA likes to do for the Opens takes a lot of the skill out of the game. Two people could hit virtually identical shots towards a pin and one could be 5 ft while the other is 50 yards. Highly nonlinear!
Paul Dirac You obviously don't know what accurate shots look like. I've played Chambers Bay numerous times and it has the widest fairways and largest greens. That's the beauty of this golf course. It' invites you to think and execute high percentage shots because dangers are every where in plain sight. Listen to Spieth's discussion with caddy and interview about the last hole. It's perfect illustration of strategy golf at Chambers Bay. On his second shot, his caddy advises him not to be left on 18th green and Speith says that he pushed it to right side of the green and that it's okay because it's the right side to miss. His ball ended up 12 ft below the hole for easy 2-putt. On the other hand, Dustin aims right at the flag and ends up left of flag. The exact spot Spieth tried to avoid. Oh and Dustin 3-putted to lose the US Open. Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't mean it's unfair. Respect the people that know what they are doing. People at the USGA know what they are doing.
+James Ogletree exactly! just like jordans shot on #15 on Sunday, he knew you cant hit it 3 yards short of the flag as it would roll back 20 feet, but he did hit it there(made a great par though) so its his fault and not the course designer. it rewarded great shots and it was one of the greatest final rounds in history! bring it back!
mariner- still feel that way after 2018 Shinnecock? Because they clearly lost the golf course at the 2018 US Open. And it is actually a cool looking course (from what I saw on tv) however it was the US Open NOT the Open Championship... USGA should leave the links courses to the R&A folks.
2017 Erin Hills was a far superior tournament than 2015 or 2018 which were arguably some of the worst tournaments we've seen from the USGA in the last 10-15 years.
I think the course is awesome and gets the people out of their comfort zone and if the pros can't adapt to a course that is not the norm don't blame the course blame the player its golf no one not even pros are owed a pristine course and the fact that so many people complained about this course makes me feel like maybe we need more courses like chambers bay because players need to adapt and overcome any situation in golf not just situations that happen on "normal" golf courses
I never heard someone complain so much. he needs to go back to his flat state with its flat golf courses. He said: "This is a Public golf course, this is where we encourage people to come out and play and get more people to play the game…. Imagine a weekend golfer coming here to enjoy the game… A public golf course must be built with flat greens, wide fairways and not so many bunkers…" Ok, Yes this is a public golf course, but unfortunately this isn’t a course for your average weekend golf game. The expensive green fees (over $200) put it in a different category. Did you even check Gary? This course is unaffordable for most people. Are you forgetting that? You seem to be comparing this course to your average municipal course, but that’s comparing apples and oranges. And back to what I said about the challenge of the course. It’s the same when I go skiing. I can choose to go to the easy ski area near Seattle, called Snoqualmie summit that’s perfect for beginners learning to ski or snowboard, or I can go to an area with extreme slopes, advanced terrain, that’s 3000 feet higher, on the boundary of Mt. Rainier, called Crystal Mountain, for example. (Which by the way also has higher rates)
That's because you don't have to play on them. If your a +25 handicap I don't mean this as disrespect but you would likely shoot 115+ and you won't enjoy that
Played Chambers twice, once in March of 2015. Love it both times. I would say that normally it plays at a third of the US Open difficulty. I agree that Chambers is not for the high handicapper, but for more avid golfers it is a great test. I've played Torrey Pines too and am much more comfortable at Chambers. I couldn't figure out the rough at Torrey. Especially in the afternoon.
Gary Player is absolutely right on the money with everything he said coming from a person who works in Golf Course Maintanice and design and being an assistant superintendent for the last 5 years for a course that does more remodels every year then any other course in the state of Florida I too give the architect the blame on that course I loved when he said "the man who designed this course had one leg shorter then the other" meaning Robert Trent Jones Jr I work for his brother Rees Jones who is the designer of Redstick the course I work for most people don't know that Rees and his brother are rivals they don't get along if you look at Rees Jones's course none of them are even close to the track that his brother designed at Chambers Bay
He is right about the equipment. I remember numerous Major tournaments won by 1 o 2 under par in the past. It would be interesting to see how today's player would fair with equipment from the past. Equipment that doesn't assist your shot or distance. How would they fair against Arnie, Jack or Harry Vardon?
He's either off his meds or he needs to start taking them real soon! I loved when the announcer pointed out that the scoring was at a record low! LOLOL
during the 2015 U.S. Open I lived 20 minutes from ChambersBay Golf Course. Before the U.S. Open, I didn't know where Chambers Bay was . I love golfing, I golf as much as I can. For a public course, it's a little too expensive for me. I believe it's around$195.00 a round.
Player is absolutely 100% correct.. This place was not a US Open course. The guys were hitting 34 irons from th deepest rough (if you want to call it that. They were driving the ball 380 yards! It was a links cooourse so the public was denied watching the US Open this year We had 3 majors on links courses, (The PGA was at Whistling Straits...) horrible decision to have it here...
I've played chambers in 2018, 2022, and 2023. All three times it was super fun and very fair, i really enjoyed having to get creative around the greens by playing the side and back slopes. I'm a 5.7 handicap so its not like I'm a scratch or a + handicap. All three times I played from about 6900 yards and shot 78, 83, 81 respectively. Gary ego maniac Player as usually trying to remain relevant at his old age. and Gary, it rains in the PNW 10 months out of the year, other than like July and August the course doesn't use sprinkler water, mother nature does the work because it rains six days a week
When you are one of 5 players to win the Career Grand Slam and to do it during the PEAK Nicklaus years you have every insight to how the US Open should play. I thought the greens were a joke. I wonder how Winged Foot is going to play when they go back, as well as Oakmont. I know that Winged Foot will be Savage if they set it up correct. If they are saying players are hitting it too far, the last 2 course set-ups have been terrible. US Open should have gouge-out rough and concrete but receptive greens.
I've played it. I didn't play great, but hands down the hardest thing about this course is the greens. I'm a scratch golfer and have played a few US Open/Major venues and the greens on this course are laughably hard, like miniature golf hard.
11 handicapper and shot 88 and had a wonderful time... beautiful course and incredible experience. Pretty easy to see that Gary has a personal dislike for Robert Trent Jones II who is the course architect, perhaps Gary should have mentioned a disclaimer -- it shows as Gary's rant tends toward emotion rather than facts -- Gary is trying to heap all of golf's problems on this one course. 12 holes is what Gary wants -- what a joke. Was a fun US Open in 2015 and hope it can host another major. A course that takes too much water? Tacoma averages 39" of rain each year. Gary, in this video you look like a grumpy old man.
I have tremendous respect for Gary Player, his accomplishments and his lifetime of contributions to the game in many ways. That said, sometimes he can be a true bullshit artist. However, in this case, regarding modern courses generally and Chambers Bay in particular, he is right on. Avid players may like the opportunity to play a course which once hosted a major championship, but they would not want to play it every week simply because it's too tough, takes too long and costs too much money.
I agree the ball is going to far. I graduated HS in 1981, that fall I was averaging 275-280 off the tee. Today at 53, I'm averaging 290 off the tee. It ain't me! It is the equipment and especially the ball. But I disagree with having one ball for the Pro's and one for the amateur. I want to play what equipment the pro's play to give myself a good measuring stick.
You can agree or disagree with Gary Player but it's refreshing to see someone speak their mind and not worry about what people are going to say about it. Bravo!
While I may agree with his comments relative to the long-term future of golf I do not agree with his criticism of Chambers Bay or the architect. I played this course two years ago and was there to see two practice days. I love the course and hope it survives the criticism being thrown at it - sure it may need some reseeding of the greens - but few players complained about the course tee to green. Re the water used - they don't water this course that much - it's links-style. I loved seeing the imagination required to navigate around this course. It is a wonderful challenge for the better player. And my wife who is a 36 handicap loved the roll she got on the fairways - she felt she played really well from the ladies tees. They have so many tee boxes that you can challenge yourself as much as you want. This rant is laughable and I lost a lot of respect for the black knight because of his self-serving comments.
Player's point is well taken when he criticizes the construction of an exceptionally difficult, if unfair, public layout at a time when the golf population is dropping and golfers need the chance to play a course where they have some chance of satisfaction. Chambers Bay is not your typical layout nor will it ever be. But we need public courses that are playable to the average golfer or eventually we will lose the game.
Can we listen to smart people like him. They are trying to one up each other with these golf courses. I have a 12 year old and she likes to play but some of the courses are just ridiculous.
king hiro I played from the tips, and I'm a 13 handicap. If you adjust for pro-difficulty, they're playing from a distance matching their abilities. You cannot compare me starting from Blacks or Tips to a Pro starting from the same spot.
They are professional golfers competing for the title in the U.S. Open. The course should be tough and make them think their way around it. Gary Player is anti-Jones as they continue to compete in their world of golf course architecture...sour grapes Gary.
I'm glad there are opportunities to play US Open venues if uve got $. But not all public courses are built the same.. CB, PB & BP are in rare category of their own.. people camp out to play them and the locals are super proud of them. People campout in the parking lot to get a tee time.. The world average score is 108.. 2 over par per hole. Bogey golf is scatch for the weekend golfer. Sir Gary, please use ur considerable wealth & expertise to design these vanilla public courses people can play for $20 or less with ur stamp of approval.. golf is meant to be challenging, I joke that aerated greens don't matter if u were going to 3 putt anyway.. we need these works of art as well as the fun ones.. if the amateur was educated in golf etiquette he would pick up his pace or play 9. It's a double edge sword. If it's too cheap golf courses turn into community bowling alleys.. Top Golf is cool, but also pricey but fun
It rains 150 days and 40 inches a year in Seattle. I wouldn’t be overly concerned about watering the course although I was at that tournament and it was hot and dry that week. I would agree that it was a terrible venue.
So far none of the arguments about it being so bad - from penalizing good shots, poor putting surfaces, how much water it needs or how the fans were screwed - hold much with me. I still would love to play it and enjoyed watching it. I've played Bethpage and being able to play an Open course is fantastic. I wouldn't not want it easier so I can get home to my family quicker. If that's your goal, find another sport.
didn't do his home work again: He said: The world is suffering from a shortage of water…. imagine the water this course will take… Opps, Gary, you didn’t check did you. Not only is Chambers bay is environmentally green on so many levels, but It has its own water source, a deep underground well that goes deeper than sea level, with water rights from the old sand and gravel mine that preceded it, plus it uses reclaimed water from the nearby sewage treatment plant. Water that after treatment is so clean you can drink it. This course isn’t dependent on municipal water sources. In fact, even the adjacent towns of Lakewood and Steilacoom also get their water from 30 wells and they are not under any water restrictions or water shortage, as they are not affected by the low snow pack level from this past year. Snow packs feed reservoirs, but wells come from aquifers.
Wah wah wah, not easy enough for the world's best golfers. You're an incredible man and legend of the game Mr Player, but please go cry me a river so you can help Chambers Bay out with those water demands.
Chambers Bay separated the Willy’s from the Billy’s, its about the challenge Gary a challenging difference from other US Open courses, a great test of golf for any golfer that loves to test his skills. I wonder how Ben Hogan would “tame” this golf course. I truly hope the US Open returns to Chambers Bay. Look past the train tracks Mr Player I don’t see any shortage on water?
Player was COMPLETELY RIGHT of course and he didn't even mention the LOUSY CONDITIONS of that course !! The fairways AND greens were BURNT OUT - it looked like they were playing on a fucking HAY FIELD for Christ sake ! That's why the damn ball was rolling so much and the breaks were SO SEVERE . They'd better not go back there for another 20 years AT LEAST !
The US OPEN is supposed to be DIFFICULT YES but it's not supposed to be played on a TERRIBLY CONDITIONED COURSE which is the problem Player had with Chambers Bay and he was 1000 % CORRECT !
your so wrong, first of all how many times do people have to say, it was suppossed to be brown and play fast!! duh! it makes it more difficult for the players, is why i said what i did above. second, he complains mostly of the design of the course not the conditions. we all know the greens were not up to standard but he went way beyond that. 3rd why not make it 1000000% correct? you can put as many zeros as you want on it, hes still wrong
If Gary Player says the course is a disaster, you just nod and agree. This man has played thousands of courses around the world, and has more worldwide wins than anyone in history. Hope they never return to Chambers Bay.
I agree with him...we walked along the practice rounds with several of the pros & to hear them bad mouth Chambers Bay was an eye opener...we live in the neighborhood and this course is not for the average amateur. Extremely discouraging and at least they have redone the greens...not a course for watching a tournament with family either...danger Will Robinson, Danger...
Gary is 100 percent correct. I was punching the air at his "we need to build more 12-hole golf courses" comment. I have been saying that for ten years!
Damon: "Mr. Player how are you?" *Gary launches into a two minute rant in which he faults chambers bay for using too much water and causing unhappy marriages*
@M Mac No he isn't lmao
@M Mac I mean I feel like he was being hyperbolic, but if he was being for real then he definitely isn't right lmao
Sounds about right when considering Chambers Bay...
One of the most interesting entertaining golf tournaments I've seen.
Chambers Bay has awesome greens now, I set the course this morning and our tee sheet is packed every day even in the middle of winter... The place is entirely addicting even for older players nowadays.
lies
@@shaystern2453 hosting usga womens amateur this week
Awesome golf course. Shot 86 . Greatest 86 in my life.
It's okay to be hard. I'd say it is the hardest fairest test that I've ever experienced?
All due respect to Mr. Player I just played this course sunday and it's the best course i've ever played!
+thegame46 Golf isn't a sight seeing trip........ beautiful course but I swore I would never play that wreck again.
okay thats your issue and really we dont care. want the us open again
Is this a bot?
2024 this still cracks me up
I can’t believe I had never seen this until now. It’s epic.
That's the point of a US Open course. The USGA picks difficult and challenging courses for the US Open that will punish bad shots more severely than bad shots at a less challenging course.
MORNING DAMON!
Not even exaggerating, I have watched this rant about 20 times and it gets better every time I see it
He doesn’t even take a breath!
Right lol a few times a year
If Gary Player was my dad I'd get a lot more done.
Lol
I agree with him to some extent. However, I hate watching golf courses where players can drive par 4's and hit par 5's in 2 and final scores of 20 under.
that's why Gary believes the golf balls should be regulated differently so they don't travel as far with today's tech. R&A/PGA set the requirements for ball specs... so change them.
@@FloridaManRacer It isn't lengthening a course by 300 or 500 yards that increase the cost in water dramatically. Most of the time it's only building 8 or 10 back tees, not changing the existing course like for example lengthening the fairway (mowing it closer to the front tee). ;)
I think Chambers Bay is a great course but it's just not a course that can be played in tournament conditions in June after an exceptional heat period.
20 under just happened in the Masters. Augusta is too easy now.
I certainly liked Chambers Bay more than Erin Hills. I don't see the US Open coming back to Erin Hills. These players are so powerful off the tee and incredibly good, that it requires a pretty tough course for the winning score not to be near 20 under.
There's a reason professional baseballers are forced to use wooden bats.
Player is nuts! The course may be 7900 yards but it was hard as a rock, like a British Open course, so it didn't play that long. The greens may have been a problem but you cant argue with the incredible last round and all the drama that was there. Maybe they should let the rough grow 7 inches so that you cant play out of it like they do at most US Open courses, which by the way are mostly Country Club courses that you and I cant play, that is really fun golf. I wont play at Chambers Bay mostly because they are charging over $200 a round, not because he doesn't like how much water the course needs because the world has a water shortage. He probably has a case of sour grapes since he didn't get the bid to design the course.
you are so right! but you can play for much less in off season or with a 12 round yearly pass (100-130$)
That's about as honest an assessment of golf course design and golf technology as we're likely to see.
The guy in booth says that we've had the most 60's in the U.S. Open ever, you have to remember this is a par 70 course unlike most, if not all, are par 72 and that's a difference of 2 strokes so that stat doesn't mean anything. If you take the 60's from here and add 2 then you can give me that stat.
Some players were complaining about the greens. I thought it was great to see how they faired on greens the average player plays on every day in regards to condition. I have played a Robert Trent Jones, Jr. designed course and it was very challenging. The Dunes style course design is not his typical type of course design. It looks like a wonderful design and I think it will improve once it matures.
I've played there and saw the green conditions during the tournament, they were the worst greens I'd ever seen - far worse than any muni course I've ever played.
What a treasure to golf this man has and continues to be.
every interview I see of this guy is next level. He speaks the truth
not on this one
except he's spewing pure bullshit here. Chambers is not that hard...they can make it uses championship worthy, but day to day, people can shoot their handicap with a good caddie.
he's bashing a rival course designer here, that's his only purpose here.
I shot two 69's here. Granted I'm a pro, but it's a very playable course in day to day conditions
usga worthy*
Not sure where he got his “facts” from but Chambers Bay is one of the most eco friendly golf courses on the planet. Other golf courses are trying to model after them. Got a ton of respect for the man, but find something else to complain about.
I live right by this course and play every Sunday? Sad thing is the greens now are crazy good and fast, unlike the open. I think the Usga should giive them 9-10 years to fix the greens, then I think they can host another one. If the greens are like they are now, it would be great.
Old man yells at cloud. This course looked amazing on TV. I know the greens had problems with multiple grass species but this US Open was awesome to watch. I think there was only 1 unfair hole which was on too much of a side slope. I'd love to play Chambers Bay. Try building this course in flat Houston where I live.
They did at Wildcat, plenty of elevation change there
That "Old Man" Gary Player could kick your ass with one hand behind his back........
@@jaysantos536 Maybe, but I can raise a better son.
@@robloxvids2233 Doubtful...your a wuss.
Yeah the USGA is actually at fault. I swear to God this was the greatest course ever selected.... It had to do with the USGA no water initiative which is why the course was brown
"There have never been so many players who have missed the cut who are glad to be going home." OUCH!
yes and those same players would have given much to had won the us open. they had to blame something
I disagree with Gary here. I like the fact that the best golfers in the world are being challenged at a major tournament. This course is rewarding precision and accuracy and is requiring strategy on EACH shot. It's a nice change of pace. Love it!
Its a wannabe links course that has been dug out and built up to an abortion, real links courses are built on the natural surroundings and landscape....accuracy and precision?...bullshit.
I wish they were all like this.
Love his honesty.
While I agree with all your thoughts on amateur golf, this is suppose to be hard. It's supposed to be the hardest tournament of the year and if the players are not complaining then it is a pga not a U.S. Open. This tournament unlike all the others par is a great score and I hope it stays that way.
NBC/Golf Channel Producer: “Someone please get Mr. Player some Xanax or Valium before his interview in the booth this afternoon.”
Public courses should listen to Gary player!!! All golf courses in trouble need to listen to Gary player!
hes definitely out of touch, the course is awesome and was the greatest open in memory. 12 hole courses? please
That course was a turd. A dried up goat ranch.
yes that's why there bringing it back
Michael Preiss ~ All the dates are set through 2024 with no Chambers Bay. So nice try.
well see, was one of the most financially successful and exciting US opens in years
Player is fantastic. I loved this game, played a lot. Player is making great points
Best tournament I have seen in years, fun to watch and a reintroduction of the element of luck. The world's best golfer won. So what is the problem?
An old but good comment!
I learned to play golf at Chambers Bay about 6 years ago. I play there all the time. I feel like the other courses around the Puget Sound (and some in Oregon) are too easy to play and not as fun as Chambers. I'd rather have those crazy slopes because it's fun trying to strategize ways to use them.
yes some shots give you 3 or 4 different ways to play them. definitly causes one to use their imagination
Ill file this comment under "things that didn't happen". Greens fees at Chambers for residents of WA are still 150+ per round. Non residents are nearly double. Learning to play there is probably the most illogical thing you can imagine. Imagine learning to ski at an expensive resort with only black diamond runs. The challenge of the course would be lost on the fact that you are still learning how to play. You could learn to play for free at a local park in an unused soccer field and learn more than playing Chambers Bay.
He is 100% correct. Amateur golf is in trouble. 5 hour plus rounds on a Saturday is not unusual. Not much fun unless you play of 7 or less. Oddly my wife is S African born and bred. She grew up in the same road as Gary and indeed Sol Kerzner of Sun City fame had houses. As a young child she would trot down to Gary's house to play with his kids. I asked did you realise who Gary Player was - she said not a clue. He never mentioned it. She is very fond of him and his family - happy memories. He is a good guy.
This was like watching the World Series being played on a high school field.
I live on a Robert Trent Jones course, and I can confirm it definitely does not attract amateurs😂
At least you won't get your windows smashed in lol
Every word he said was true then as it is today. Chambers Bay looked more like a virtual course for a gaming console.
I like gary player.
Attaway Gary. Give it to them.
That was the worst course ever for a US Open.
+jpracingph was the greatest!!!
he understands golf course and how to play the game. I would rather the us open be held in new york, California or Pennsylvania. north and south Carolina as well. how about oregon??
It’s a dump and will be closed without significant public money supporting
Los Angeles Country Club says hold my beer
That's bullshit.
I've been golfing since 1975. Courses have become like conveyor belts in a production line. Get ' em in, and get 'em out as fast as possible. I've been on a public course where our group was told to skip a hole to promote faster play. This after we paid $180 per person, so thats $720 our group paid to play 18 holes. Slow or not, you pay, you play.. all the holes you pay for.
I remember walking courses and enjoying the round. Now carts are mandatory. Courses are designed easier with the mindset of getting players off the course asap instead of the mindset of creating an enjoyable challenging course.
slow fucks like you make golf unplayable at public courses. Sorry if the average person doesn't enjoy a 5+ hour round. Joining a private club was the best decision i've made.
Gary Player is completely right. Those people saying "Well, someone won (Spieth at -5), so all the complainers are just whining" don't get it. Of course SOMEONE has to come out on top...on top of an entire field that was disgusted with the greens and the course of Chambers Bay. Without a doubt, it is a poorly designed course with incredibly unfair layouts to both the players and the FANS. The fans were so far away from the players, unable to even see the players on some holes. And to claim that this course was built "for the U.S. Open"??? Ridiculous! It is a horrible course. Just because Jordan Spieth didn't really say anything publicly doesn't mean he liked the course. I'm sure if you were close to him and asked him how he truly felt about the course, he'd tell you how poor the greens were and how bad of a golf course it was. There is no denying it: Chambers Bay is a bad golf course for all golf, and the USGA should never go back.
MrElculver2424 You obviously never played Chambers Bay and don't know anything about golf. US open layout suppose to be tough. USGA made it tough for the US Open but it's actually very easy golf course to play for amateurs. They have tees ranging from 5000 yards to 7100 yards. It was voted one of easiest golf course for women. 2015 US Open had most rounds in 60's and if you look at one-putt percentage, it was one of the highest in US Open history. These was only one hole where fans couldn't get close to players, number 8. In fact, my 6 year old niece got golf balls from few of the players on Saturday. If you ever been to big golf tournaments, you can't follow one group because of crowd size.
You can agree with this senile idiot all you want but it just makes you sound like an ignorant senile fool. Gary Player's bid to design Chambers Bay was rejected 9 years ago because his design called for boring unimaginative golf course.
What an old bitter fool.
marinersebay
There's a difference between "tough" and "impossible". I don't mean that it's impossible to play, but if perfect shots don't work, then the course is crap. Period. If you don't see it, you need your head checked.
To be sure, I'm not entirely on Gary Player's side, either. I don't have a problem with high bunkers. Bunkers are a hazard and should be penalizing. I also think these greens would have been bearable if they were at least in decent shape.
+MrElculver2424 I went sunday and could see just fine. was one of the greatest us opens in history. pussies
impossible? they were -5 so?? and they were not perfect shots if they didn't stay on the green. open requires the absolute best shots to be rewarded not just good shots. have you played it? or even been there? im sure not. was greatest and most exciting open in years
Michael Preiss
All of the players were mentioning how mis-hits would work that wouldn't on any other course in the world, and how perfect hits weren't working that would work on almost any other course in the world. Clearly you didn't watch. The course was trashed. I would love to play that course, but not how the usga raped it.
A course should reward accurate shots and penalize bad ones, but over and over again shots that were right on the money ended up rolling 50-60 yards or more off target. Yes, every player has to play the same course, but tricking up courses like the USGA likes to do for the Opens takes a lot of the skill out of the game. Two people could hit virtually identical shots towards a pin and one could be 5 ft while the other is 50 yards. Highly nonlinear!
Paul Dirac You obviously don't know what accurate shots look like. I've played Chambers Bay numerous times and it has the widest fairways and largest greens. That's the beauty of this golf course. It' invites you to think and execute high percentage shots because dangers are every where in plain sight.
Listen to Spieth's discussion with caddy and interview about the last hole.
It's perfect illustration of strategy golf at Chambers Bay. On his second shot, his caddy advises him not to be left on 18th green and Speith says that he pushed it to right side of the green and that it's okay because it's the right side to miss. His ball ended up 12 ft below the hole for easy 2-putt. On the other hand, Dustin aims right at the flag and ends up left of flag. The exact spot Spieth tried to avoid. Oh and Dustin 3-putted to lose the US Open.
Just because you don't understand something, that doesn't mean it's unfair.
Respect the people that know what they are doing. People at the USGA know what they are doing.
+James Ogletree exactly! just like jordans shot on #15 on Sunday, he knew you cant hit it 3 yards short of the flag as it would roll back 20 feet, but he did hit it there(made a great par though) so its his fault and not the course designer. it rewarded great shots and it was one of the greatest final rounds in history! bring it back!
mariner- still feel that way after 2018 Shinnecock? Because they clearly lost the golf course at the 2018 US Open. And it is actually a cool looking course (from what I saw on tv) however it was the US Open NOT the Open Championship... USGA should leave the links courses to the R&A folks.
2017 Erin Hills was a far superior tournament than 2015 or 2018 which were arguably some of the worst tournaments we've seen from the USGA in the last 10-15 years.
Thanks for keeping it real Gary!
yes real wrong
Love Gary player I play regularly at one of his designs
I think the course is awesome and gets the people out of their comfort zone and if the pros can't adapt to a course that is not the norm don't blame the course blame the player its golf no one not even pros are owed a pristine course and the fact that so many people complained about this course makes me feel like maybe we need more courses like chambers bay because players need to adapt and overcome any situation in golf not just situations that happen on "normal" golf courses
He's absolutely right. Not necessarily just this course, but many in general. He's one of the few with the balls to speak his mind.
I never heard someone complain so much. he needs to go back to his flat state with its flat golf courses.
He said: "This is a Public golf course, this is where we encourage people to come out and play and get more people to play the game…. Imagine a weekend golfer coming here to enjoy the game… A public golf course must be built with flat greens, wide fairways and not so many bunkers…"
Ok, Yes this is a public golf course, but unfortunately this isn’t a course for your average weekend golf game. The expensive green fees (over $200) put it in a different category. Did you even check Gary? This course is unaffordable for most people. Are you forgetting that? You seem to be comparing this course to your average municipal course, but that’s comparing apples and oranges. And back to what I said about the challenge of the course. It’s the same when I go skiing. I can choose to go to the easy ski area near Seattle, called Snoqualmie summit that’s perfect for beginners learning to ski or snowboard, or I can go to an area with extreme slopes, advanced terrain, that’s 3000 feet higher, on the boundary of Mt. Rainier, called Crystal Mountain, for example. (Which by the way also has higher rates)
As someone with a +25 handicap... I love difficult courses like chambers bay. I love the challenge!
That's because you don't have to play on them. If your a +25 handicap I don't mean this as disrespect but you would likely shoot 115+ and you won't enjoy that
@@emmitttraynor8939 I absolutely would. I shot a 113 today and had a blast lol I would have a blast shooting 115 on any course.
Played Chambers twice, once in March of 2015. Love it both times. I would say that normally it plays at a third of the US Open difficulty. I agree that Chambers is not for the high handicapper, but for more avid golfers it is a great test.
I've played Torrey Pines too and am much more comfortable at Chambers. I couldn't figure out the rough at Torrey. Especially in the afternoon.
He's worth listening to. Long may he continue to gives us honest insights into golfing situations - Hey, if Gary says it's right - it's definitely so.
Gary Player is absolutely right on the money with everything he said coming from a person who works in Golf Course Maintanice and design and being an assistant superintendent for the last 5 years for a course that does more remodels every year then any other course in the state of Florida I too give the architect the blame on that course I loved when he said "the man who designed this course had one leg shorter then the other" meaning Robert Trent Jones Jr I work for his brother Rees Jones who is the designer of Redstick the course I work for most people don't know that Rees and his brother are rivals they don't get along if you look at Rees Jones's course none of them are even close to the track that his brother designed at Chambers Bay
He is right about the equipment. I remember numerous Major tournaments won by 1 o 2 under par in the past. It would be interesting to see how today's player would fair with equipment from the past. Equipment that doesn't assist your shot or distance. How would they fair against Arnie, Jack or Harry Vardon?
It would be interesting to hear comments on this from some of the players who missed the cut.
they would blame everything but themselves
Gary Player obviously needs an executive course to play.
He's either off his meds or he needs to start taking them real soon! I loved when the announcer pointed out that the scoring was at a record low! LOLOL
during the 2015 U.S. Open I lived 20 minutes from ChambersBay Golf Course. Before the U.S. Open, I didn't know where Chambers Bay was . I love golfing, I golf as much as I can. For a public course, it's a little too expensive for me. I believe it's around$195.00 a round.
Player is absolutely 100% correct.. This place was not a US Open course. The guys were hitting 34 irons from th deepest rough (if you want to call it that. They were driving the ball 380 yards! It was a links cooourse so the public was denied watching the US Open this year We had 3 majors on links courses, (The PGA was at Whistling Straits...) horrible decision to have it here...
100% wrong
Scotland isn't running short of water. See you all at the Open :)
The snow has melted up there now I take it ?
Mark Murgatroyd just in time for our 2 week summer
Daryl McCay lol I'm ok to leave my wooly hat at mittens at home then ?
I wouldnt go that far. Pack for every season
This comment didn't age well..
He is so right! Who on earth would want to play there, most players like a challenge but a fair challenge
who? the course is packed with people from all over the world. people that know something about golf
Couldn't have been too bad. There were more guys under par at chambers Bay than at wingfoot this year.
Actually, it's Tacoma, not Seattle. He's pretty cranky
It’s university place
I've played chambers in 2018, 2022, and 2023. All three times it was super fun and very fair, i really enjoyed having to get creative around the greens by playing the side and back slopes. I'm a 5.7 handicap so its not like I'm a scratch or a + handicap. All three times I played from about 6900 yards and shot 78, 83, 81 respectively. Gary ego maniac Player as usually trying to remain relevant at his old age. and Gary, it rains in the PNW 10 months out of the year, other than like July and August the course doesn't use sprinkler water, mother nature does the work because it rains six days a week
When you are one of 5 players to win the Career Grand Slam and to do it during the PEAK Nicklaus years you have every insight to how the US Open should play. I thought the greens were a joke. I wonder how Winged Foot is going to play when they go back, as well as Oakmont. I know that Winged Foot will be Savage if they set it up correct. If they are saying players are hitting it too far, the last 2 course set-ups have been terrible. US Open should have gouge-out rough and concrete but receptive greens.
Agree 100%. Golf's #1 Scientific Teacher
disagree 100%
Go get'em Gary.
Gary Player is my favorite golfer ever........Tells it EXACTLY like it is............BRAVO sir!
Every new course I have seen has mile wide fairways and are like 600 yard par4s with huge greens. Why is that? They own stock in golf equipment.
Good old Gary. I agree with every word he says here, even though he sounds as mad as a hatter.
ok you and him can go build and play your easy 12 hole courses. good luck
Well, that would be better than Mickey Mouse Chambers Bay. That course will never be heard of again !
Imagine being a Chambers Bay member. My God those idiots must be nut cases !!!
Right on Gary!
One thing I know about Golf.
If Gary Player speaks......listen and take note.
I've played it. I didn't play great, but hands down the hardest thing about this course is the greens. I'm a scratch golfer and have played a few US Open/Major venues and the greens on this course are laughably hard, like miniature golf hard.
wow, to hear gary player talk about pro golf today, that says a lot. this is true, golf ain't about distance, it's about finesse. 50 yds and in.
11 handicapper and shot 88 and had a wonderful time... beautiful course and incredible experience. Pretty easy to see that Gary has a personal dislike for Robert Trent Jones II who is the course architect, perhaps Gary should have mentioned a disclaimer -- it shows as Gary's rant tends toward emotion rather than facts -- Gary is trying to heap all of golf's problems on this one course. 12 holes is what Gary wants -- what a joke. Was a fun US Open in 2015 and hope it can host another major. A course that takes too much water? Tacoma averages 39" of rain each year. Gary, in this video you look like a grumpy old man.
Go nuts, Gary!!!
I have tremendous respect for Gary Player, his accomplishments and his lifetime of contributions to the game in many ways. That said, sometimes he can be a true bullshit artist. However, in this case, regarding modern courses generally and Chambers Bay in particular, he is right on. Avid players may like the opportunity to play a course which once hosted a major championship, but they would not want to play it every week simply because it's too tough, takes too long and costs too much money.
I agree the ball is going to far. I graduated HS in 1981, that fall I was averaging 275-280 off the tee. Today at 53, I'm averaging 290 off the tee. It ain't me! It is the equipment and especially the ball. But I disagree with having one ball for the Pro's and one for the amateur. I want to play what equipment the pro's play to give myself a good measuring stick.
You can agree or disagree with Gary Player but it's refreshing to see someone speak their mind and not worry about what people are going to say about it. Bravo!
even if its completely ludicrous
Gotta love it.
While I may agree with his comments relative to the long-term future of golf I do not agree with his criticism of Chambers Bay or the architect. I played this course two years ago and was there to see two practice days. I love the course and hope it survives the criticism being thrown at it - sure it may need some reseeding of the greens - but few players complained about the course tee to green. Re the water used - they don't water this course that much - it's links-style. I loved seeing the imagination required to navigate around this course. It is a wonderful challenge for the better player. And my wife who is a 36 handicap loved the roll she got on the fairways - she felt she played really well from the ladies tees. They have so many tee boxes that you can challenge yourself as much as you want. This rant is laughable and I lost a lot of respect for the black knight because of his self-serving comments.
Love this guy.
But what about Winged Foot in 1974, Gary?
Right on Gary!!!!
Player's point is well taken when he criticizes the construction of an exceptionally difficult, if unfair, public layout at a time when the golf population is dropping and golfers need the chance to play a course where they have some chance of satisfaction. Chambers Bay is not your typical layout nor will it ever be. But we need public courses that are playable to the average golfer or eventually we will lose the game.
its fair, its enjoyable and hes flat wrong and so are you
Can we listen to smart people like him. They are trying to one up each other with these golf courses. I have a 12 year old and she likes to play but some of the courses are just ridiculous.
+David Oh there's plenty of easy shorter courses, why would you take her to a major championship course? unless she wanted to play it, of course
+Michael Preiss Point taken. I guess it comes down to me.
How much water it will take? It's Washington...
Also, as a 10 handicap, I can say the course isn't that tough... I shot pretty close to average.
+Adam Waddington Fyi: those forward tees are really the ladies tees buddy
king hiro I played from the tips, and I'm a 13 handicap. If you adjust for pro-difficulty, they're playing from a distance matching their abilities. You cannot compare me starting from Blacks or Tips to a Pro starting from the same spot.
He's so right as mad as he is well said Gary
Funny thing is Gary is right in general.
This course used zero water. Bad take great mind
They are professional golfers competing for the title in the U.S. Open. The course should be tough and make them think their way around it. Gary Player is anti-Jones as they continue to compete in their world of golf course architecture...sour grapes Gary.
Good god this makes me piss my pants every time
I'm glad there are opportunities to play US Open venues if uve got $. But not all public courses are built the same.. CB, PB & BP are in rare category of their own.. people camp out to play them and the locals are super proud of them. People campout in the parking lot to get a tee time.. The world average score is 108.. 2 over par per hole. Bogey golf is scatch for the weekend golfer. Sir Gary, please use ur considerable wealth & expertise to design these vanilla public courses people can play for $20 or less with ur stamp of approval.. golf is meant to be challenging, I joke that aerated greens don't matter if u were going to 3 putt anyway.. we need these works of art as well as the fun ones.. if the amateur was educated in golf etiquette he would pick up his pace or play 9. It's a double edge sword. If it's too cheap golf courses turn into community bowling alleys.. Top Golf is cool, but also pricey but fun
Perfect. This is the MAN.
It rains 150 days and 40 inches a year in Seattle. I wouldn’t be overly concerned about watering the course although I was at that tournament and it was hot and dry that week. I would agree that it was a terrible venue.
So far none of the arguments about it being so bad - from penalizing good shots, poor putting surfaces, how much water it needs or how the fans were screwed - hold much with me. I still would love to play it and enjoyed watching it. I've played Bethpage and being able to play an Open course is fantastic. I wouldn't not want it easier so I can get home to my family quicker. If that's your goal, find another sport.
didn't do his home work again: He said: The world is suffering from a shortage of water…. imagine the water this course will take…
Opps, Gary, you didn’t check did you. Not only is Chambers bay is environmentally green on so many levels, but It has its own water source, a deep underground well that goes deeper than sea level, with water rights from the old sand and gravel mine that preceded it, plus it uses reclaimed water from the nearby sewage treatment plant. Water that after treatment is so clean you can drink it. This course isn’t dependent on municipal water sources.
In fact, even the adjacent towns of Lakewood and Steilacoom also get their water from 30 wells and they are not under any water restrictions or water shortage, as they are not affected by the low snow pack level from this past year. Snow packs feed reservoirs, but wells come from aquifers.
Wah wah wah, not easy enough for the world's best golfers. You're an incredible man and legend of the game Mr Player, but please go cry me a river so you can help Chambers Bay out with those water demands.
Chambers Bay separated the Willy’s from the Billy’s, its about the challenge Gary a challenging difference from other US Open courses, a great test of golf for any golfer that loves to test his skills. I wonder how Ben Hogan would “tame” this golf course. I truly hope the US Open returns to Chambers Bay. Look past the train tracks Mr Player I don’t see any shortage on water?
Player was COMPLETELY RIGHT of course and he didn't even mention the LOUSY CONDITIONS of that course !! The fairways AND greens were BURNT OUT - it looked like they were playing on a fucking HAY FIELD for Christ sake ! That's why the damn ball was rolling so much and the breaks were SO SEVERE . They'd better not go back there for another 20 years AT LEAST !
AMERICAN IGNORANCE. FAST AND BROWN IS MORE DIFFICULT. IF YOU WANT PRETTY-WATCH/PLAY AGUSTA NATIONAL. THIS IS THE US OPEN, THE TOUGHEST TEST IN GOLF
The US OPEN is supposed to be DIFFICULT YES but it's not supposed to be played on a TERRIBLY CONDITIONED COURSE which is the problem Player had with Chambers Bay and he was 1000 % CORRECT !
your so wrong, first of all how many times do people have to say, it was suppossed to be brown and play fast!! duh! it makes it more difficult for the players, is why i said what i did above. second, he complains mostly of the design of the course not the conditions. we all know the greens were not up to standard but he went way beyond that. 3rd why not make it 1000000% correct? you can put as many zeros as you want on it, hes still wrong
Alright , I think you've made some VALID points . Good ENOUGH !
If Gary Player says the course is a disaster, you just nod and agree. This man has played thousands of courses around the world, and has more worldwide wins than anyone in history. Hope they never return to Chambers Bay.
I agree with him...we walked along the practice rounds with several of the pros & to hear them bad mouth Chambers Bay was an eye opener...we live in the neighborhood and this course is not for the average amateur. Extremely discouraging and at least they have redone the greens...not a course for watching a tournament with family either...danger Will Robinson, Danger...
Player speaks the truth.
Especially all his comments about excessive water and also ball distance.
He's right.
Gary is 100 percent correct. I was punching the air at his "we need to build more 12-hole golf courses" comment. I have been saying that for ten years!
+Nick Coffey stupid idea, golf is 18 holes. period
He's right