WATCH exclusive bonus content where *Wendy* answers audience questions. CLICK the link: triggernometry.locals.com/ CHAPTERS👇 00:00 Intro 01:14 Wendy Joseph’s Background 03:53 How Has the Landscape of Crime Changed in the UK? 06:54 When Did Wendy First Notice the Change in UK Crime? 08:02 Who is Carrying Knives? 09:43 What is Causing the Increase in Gang Crime? 12:11 The Correlation Between Absent Fathers & Crime 16:25 The Rise of Modern Slavery & the Use of Children on County Lines 19:49 How Do Children Become Criminals? 21:16 Sponsor Message: AG1 23:10 The Importance of Family 27:22 What is The Purpose of the Courtroom? 32:30 What is The Purpose of the Criminal Justice System? 40:48 Why is Prison a Form of Punishment? 46:43 How Do You Remain Passive When Judging Someone? 55:39 Access to Money & Advantages in Court 59:55 Is the British Criminal Justice System the Envy of the World? 1:03:44 If Wendy Were in Charge, What Changes Would She Make? 1:06:13 What’s the One Thing We’re Not Talking About?
I wish you had asked her why rape is rarely ever prosecuted in British courts! We all know that a large number of rapes are never even reported. Of all the rapes reported, LESS than 3% are ever successfully prosecuted in court. Isn’t rape a serious violent crime?
She’s wrong she says there are longer sentences for murder but it’s not true if your an illegal immigrant they are killing indigenous Brits and getting away with it or very lenient sentences
_If_ a person is a repeat violent offender, the _only_ way to keep them from hurting people is incarceration. It's not about punishment. It's about removing them from society.
That's why capital punishment existed for so long. Not only did it remove criminals from society it removed them from the gene pool, ensuring they could not breed and pass on their criminal genes.
Spoken by someone who has never seen the inside of a prison. If you are in prison your survival depends on how violent and brutal you can be. Anything else you either die or become a fuck toy for the worst of the worst. That means if you disrespect someone who has done serious timed his first instinct is to beat you senseless.
@@MagruderSpoots I have said that for years. If you put someone somewhere that they have to become a monster to survive don't expect that to change when they get out.
I am a Londoner living in Portugal. Portugal has higher absolute and relative poverty and far higher immigration and little gang culture. What it hasn't had is a break down of the family. I'm not talking about divorce but the ability of grandmothers, aunts and cousins live close by and be involved in childrearing.
Yeah, that's a big element Also drug legalization removing black market profits (ideally you also refuse to revive ODs and forbid the use of public spaces so the liberty to abuse drugs is balanced by personal responsibility & liability)
@@anonymousAJ Ok drugs werent made legal in Portugal, a lot of people often get that wrong , there was a decriminalisation on the consumption. But trafficking is still illegal... so depending how much you carrying ( lets say the police catches you with a trunk full of cocaine, several kilos, of it.... yeah you going to prison) But if they catch someone snorting cocaine, just a few grams by the law isnt really a big deal. Thats it.
This is true, but i fear it might be changing, as we have very low birth rates and low constitution of new families isnt happening as much (like most of the west), when older generation pass away, that support might not be there as much, in the future unfortunately, and dont let it fool you, mass migration is no doubt changing things, its that we are kinda far behind in the curve in comparison to UK or even France and the rest of EU, and also the fact that Portugal isnt as desirable for a lot of migrants as the richer countries in the North of Europe, so often Portugal serves as this kind of entry point for migration, when they arrive, sometimes they leave to other places
That is spot on, we see the fruits of this today more than ever before. Everyday someone else murdered by someone who should have been in prison but was let out by idiots and ideologues.
@@isitoppositeday6944 why are you even willing to house them? They can't change, they can only age out. When a psycho turns 39 the terror calms down a bit, but it's still possible once back on the street. Better to clean up immediately than to let the problem fester. Give them time to state their apologies or write a quick memoir, then off to the firing squad.
I haven't believed in the criminal justice system since 2006, my dad was involved in a car accident that left the other driver dead and he was taken to court for causing death by dangerous driving. The accident in question occured on a crossroads in a 30mph speed zone while my dad was driving a vehicle restricted to 50 mph and didn't have seatbelts, not to mention he was training another driver on a new delivery route he had never driven before, the other car was found to have been traveling at roughly 120mph..... That morning my mum went to the crashsite and took pictures including the giveway sign that was completely covered by overgrown hedges. The next day the hedges where cut and the prosecution pushed that it was clear and my dad was just oblivious to it, when we supplied the pictures clearly showing it as overgrown with the morning news paper the prosecution tried to suggest that we had in someway falsified the paper? When we argued that my dad was under the speed limit due to the tire track analysis the prosecution argued that there was a 5-10 mph room for error, his defence pointed out that the other driver was going 120mph we were told/scolded by the judge for "speaking ill of the dead" and was then told my dad was acting like a sociopath for showing no emotion during the trail. The accident had left my dad emotionally catatonic, he barley spoke who responded to anyone. He didn't smile for nearly 4 years after, I only bring this up because despite the judges clear disdain for my dad the trail was set back 4 separate occasions because the wife of the other driver kept using the insurance money to go on holiday, and not peaceful countryside holidays. Magaluf. Corfu. Ibiza and another party destination I can't remember of the top of my head. But when our defence pointed out that after 3 months of delays that in another 3 months the court case would have to be thrown out to a change in the laws the judge once again scolded them for "not caring for the "victims" family" and proceeded to tell us that the case would be brought against him again however instead of facing a driving ban and hefty fine my dad would be looking at 4 years in prison. The legal system had no care for my dad one of the kindest men I've ever seen who to this day is still affected by the fact he was involved in another man's death. All they wanted was another "win" but hey it's not like it destroyed an entire family just for the sake of their own self worth
Yes, the police and the judicial system are not interested in justice. They are only interested in “wins”, to make themselves look good, in the face of so many failures.
The justice system is filled with humans, thats why it needs to have advocates on the defense side. A justice system that disallows self defense arguments is totalitarian. Somehow this has slipped back into society. The worst part is judges like these go home and sleep soundly knowing they wont get ribboned by long knives.
@maidsubrena fortunately the trail moved forward before the laws where changed so my dad was "let off" with a 4 year driving ban, which living in the countryside effectively made him unemployed for nearly a year, at the same time my family due to other circumstances had declared bankruptcy, so life was a struggle
I have been on two juries. Both juries were overwhelmingly middle aged women of low intelligence whose principle occupation was watching daytime television. Both trials IMO were wrong. We found a frail elderly women guilty of assaulting a giant sized teenager and we found a career gang member innocent of torturing a young girl. IMO we have the society we have because we simply do not care enough about our society to do better.
Denzel Washington said it best- if you don’t find a father in your home, you will find a father in the streets. We have to give these kids options to find safety, tranquility and positive role models after the school bell rings. So many go to an empty home and end up enthralled by the streets.
Absolutely- I’m saying it’s a murder that could have been prevented with some very cheap social programs. Once a person becomes a murderer- it’s the book to be thrown at them. It’s too late.
Thank the government for paying women to push the father out of of the home. Poverty has existed forever but the social issues we are seeing at this level has escalated in recent decades.
A friend of mine ended up teaching in prison. He met a lad we both taught when we both worked in the same state school. He was in for murder. I asked if he was remorseful about what happened. My friend said the lad said he thought it was unfair that he got sent down for just doing one thing. That's the message kids who push the boundaries get from schools. Second chance after second chance after fresh start etc.
compare this with how failed entrepreneur gets? aint it basicly "your choice, your responsibility" to be bankcrupt and no money.... Im talking regular people doing it, not some well connected elite people.
I’m a middle of the road Republican who voted for Bill Clinton. At that time I worked in Corrections in California for 25 years. Nearly 100 percent of my students were either black or Hispanic. I never met one who thought of himself as a victim--never. On the contrary, the idea that somewhere, somehow, some pesky white person, or persons, was responsible for their incarceration would be considered undignified. In fact, if I heard it once, I heard a variant of the following hundreds of times: “My brother is an attorney and my sisters work for IBM. I put myself in this place. Growing up I was a screw up and wouldn’t listen to my parents.” Sometimes they would say, “My mother and my coaches did the best they could, but the streets, they kept a calling my name.” I’ve been a high school teacher, a correctional public school teacher, correctional officer, and a parent. I’m 62 years old. I am so glad that I wasn’t born in 1992. Have a nice day. RK, So Cal.
I could have listened to Wendy for days, what a fascinating glimpse into the system. I'm so glad she spoke about the importance of empathy and the difference between empathy and sympathy; listening to someone who has spent their entire working life in a specific field is like nothing else, there is such a wealth of experience and knowledge there. Thank you.
As an ex police officer (so glad i left) I can say with certainty that the vast majority of crime is committed by a tiny number of repeat offenders. Lock them in a dark pit as cheaply as possible and never release them, job done. These repeat offenders are the 'bad boys' that dozy women get impregnated by the offspring of which become the next generation of offenders.
I say the law aught to stop being involved completely. Let people know that violent attacks will not be policed. Whites can move away. And then the immigrant population violence problem will sort itself out. It doesnt matter how long an african migrant or a 2nd gen lives in england, he will always be a migrant to the land of indigenous europeans, just like europeans are always migrants to americas and never "belonging" there. They want to live in a lawless somalian style hellscape? Let it happen.
Btw I notice how you say its womens fault these bad genes continue to exist. I 100% agree. This is why we have fathers police who women got to marry when they were 16. It turns out enforced monogamy and patriarchal control over women is how the west became civilized. Since we've abolished these the west is falling apart, mostly due to outsider groups.
@@KJTB8australia is pretty good country nowadays considering all this.... suggesting victorian era class thinking in UK was original reason, like it seems again to be, not genetics. I agree comment premise but people gotta have productive option... often it is just "better people" telling them how bad and useless people they are, so whats to loose then for most of these kids, even when some exception proving the rule does rise up occasinally.... perhaps one in 1000 or less.
He who has a why can bare any how; perhaps we should ask ourselves why a life of violence and crime is becoming an increasingly more attractive option for boys rather than any other kind of alternative, perhaps we should consider whether or not they are making that choice because the only alternative being presented to an increasingly larger number of boys is to be nothing at all. Given a choice between a life essentially void of meaning though lawful, and a life, though violent and terrible, is at the very least meaningful, should we really suppose the general preference will be the choice of the former over the latter? Their families, their schools, their communities, their broader societies have brought them into existence and essentially asked them to be nothing, and furthermore actively trained them to accept the condemnation of their ambition to be more than nothing as a kind of "entitlement" or "privilege" in accordance with the prerogatives of "social justice" and "progress"; given that sense of his own future, why exactly shouldn't we expect boys to choose a life as contrary to that "lawful" fate as possible? It is often asserted that "crime doesn't pay", and this is generally correct, however there is one exception motivated by an intention that values the harm as a desired end for which criminality serves as the means: existential resentment.
Because its cool to be a dindu thats all. They have choices in life, but the crabs in a bucket behavior pulls down the successful black ones for "acting too white". Jealousy and resentment are how those people destroy their potential successful ones. Think about it. Stefan molyneux and jordan peterson both said that as you get your life together, if you are in a dysfunctional family they'll try to pull you down again because of resentment. The black community says we are all one race, but hen they act like an extended family based on genetics, specifically around haplogroup (skin color and skull shapes and nose shapes etc), based on the reigon they're all from. For first gens there might be infighting based on ethnicity from africa, but after a few gens, they tend to become "we all one family" types, even though they love to machete each other over "beefs". And since they view themselves as one big family, and since the larger a group is the more likely the level of dysfunction is to increase, they dont expel the defective people from their group and those defective people tear down the rest of them and fill their heads with "you cant succeed cuz its other people's fault". Even small families can do this to their own kids regardless of skin color. It just happens that they are acting like a gigantic single family. @@lancewalker2595
She said, I don’t want to focus on a particular ethnic or religious sector. Me: ok, you’re taking about blacks and muslims. They come from “difficult homes”. Me: kids aren’t disciplined, taught manners and forced to value education. We haven’t taken the care to include them. Me: They weren’t disciplined properly by parents and schools
Right, Its insane we cant even talk freely about issues and we have to read between the lines We cant solve any problem if we cant even talk about it. I have only watched a few minutes and I can tell this is going to be boring so im tapping out.
"..Crime is Not to punish wrongdoers." ...She actually says this!! ..As if punishing people for killing/robbing would be wrong on moral grounds. Thanks for doing this guys. I now see exactly why you are going down the tubes.
That's the true point. It should be about punishment first , for the victims and secondly about keeping them away from the general public. Not the other way around. Violent crime goes to the very core of our being and should be treated as seriously as anything in society.
If Gilbert Futz murders someone and is not punished, Josh Poovey may get the notion that murder has no consequences. The primary objective is to discourage others from committing the same crime.
He who has a why can bare any how; perhaps we should ask ourselves why a life of violence and crime is becoming an increasingly more attractive option for boys rather than any other kind of alternative, perhaps we should consider whether or not they are making that choice because the only alternative being presented to an increasingly larger number of boys is to be nothing at all. Given a choice between a life essentially void of meaning though lawful, and a life, though violent and terrible, is at the very least meaningful, should we really suppose the general preference will be the choice of the former over the latter? Their families, their schools, their communities, their broader societies have brought them into existence and essentially asked them to be nothing, and furthermore actively trained them to accept the condemnation of their ambition to be more than nothing as a kind of "entitlement" or "privilege" in accordance with the prerogatives of "social justice" and "progress"; given that sense of his own future, why exactly shouldn't we expect boys to choose a life as contrary to that "lawful" fate as possible? It is often asserted that "crime doesn't pay", and this is generally correct, however there is one exception motivated by an intention that values the harm as a desired end for which criminality serves as the means: existential resentment.
Who made you the decider of the purpose of incarceration or what official document are you quoting from? Actually, you are partly correct - The purpose of the legal system is to do whatever the voting public (or at least their representatives) want it to do. The problem is that people want it to do a poorly defined, and often contradictory, set of things.
@@lancewalker2595There are several known drivers of crime. - When the law is not enforced and the criminal does not fear being caught. - When the punishment does not fit the crime. - When the laws are so vague, confusing and complex that there is no clear divide between legal and illegal, and people may offend without intending. - When the outcome of the law does not fit the stated purpose of that law. - When those who make the law, regard obedience to it as optional. - When enforcement and sentencing are erratic , inconsistent or smell of corruption. The more we lead young people to believe that our culture is inherently evil and worthless, the more they will regard the laws and institutions of our culture to be not worth respecting.
@@SmileyEmoji42lance didn’t decide that. It is the difference between criminal and civil law. Criminal law is for the protection of the public. Civil law is for the resolution of problems between individuals.
This is how I feel about crime and criminals: "If a person needs a reason to be honest, he can't be trusted." -- Nietzsche Madison said a constitutional republic will only survive while the people have virtue.
Exactly and the way people are going I have little faith that democracy in the world will last. The people themselves will demand fascism in order to feel safe.
It's not about correcting mistakes and rehabilitation, or at least shouldn't be the primary goal. It's about protecting good people from suffering their abuse. It's about removing them from society, to make it better for everyone else.
I do think that for a lot of crimes, restitution is the way to go. You steal somebody's car and wrap it around a tree. Guess what? You stay in prison, working at a piece-rate job that can be parceled out into the prison, until you've earned enough money to pay restitution to the insurance company, for the person's lost work and annoyance, etc. plus the costs of prosecuting you AND housing you and feeding you while you're in the slammer. I bet a lot of property crimes would grind to a screeching halt if instead of three hots and a cot you were working to both support yourself and pay back the person you harmed.
@@BillyTeaStoop Jeez, your ideal society would need execution factories to kill all the many undesirables condemned under your justice system. I suppose transforming prisons into death camps technically would qualify as "prison reform"...
I've always felt like jails/prisons should be divided into 2 parts: A rehabilitation side where they get classes, counseling, jobs, help preparing for release, chances to earn early release, etc... And the other side for inmates that refuse to behave or participate on the rehab side. Because not everyone wants to rehabilitate. It's up to them and their actions. We'll see if this vid changes my mind on anything
@@TruthLives-ee6sf Wage slave means something very very different to either slave wages or slave labour, so no, it's not. And you'd have to be a bit dim to think that it was meaningless just because there are groupings of words into another phrase meaning something else entirely that just happens to share a word with it .. but I'll presume you were just trying to be clever and don't really think that.
@@liveliestawfulness True, however one of the consequence of refusing to honestly responds to a question is that we live in the real world and when confronted with reality we discover that ethnicity is a characteristic that is shared amongst many of the group causing the issue. When that is the case, the issue will automatically attributed to racism which leads to horrible policies because the reasons for the over representation has very little to do with racism. Writing this comment made me realized that there is little hope of solving the real issue because I found myself self censoring in order not write something that might get flagged.
Lack of education does not cause criminality. Both are caused by an inability to control your impulses and emotions, also being unable to delay gratification.
Lack of impulse control and deferral of gratification, a short trigger, low empathy, propensity to violence…. All hallmarks of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, along with childhood abuse and neglect.
If someone gets 30 years for murder and she now says that these men come out of prison without a future, it begs a question: The death penalty clearly seems to be the better solution here.
@@JohnyG29 That would be inarguable if no convicted killer ever killed again... How many repeat offenders result from no death penalty, & how many miscarriages of justice are there? One way protects more innocent lives than the other, subtract A from B & you have the better solution.
This woman is a bleeding heart and I can't. She's letting her emotions get in the way of logic. The idea of people like her being in charge of anything, scares the crap out of me. Her mentality will have the crime rates skyrocketing.
I don't know how you can even come to any conclusion like the terrible one you have spouted. She was calm and matter of fact about everything. I completely doubt you understand what logic means.
She does not want to put responsibility on the person committing the crime or their family. She says it is a society issue, mealy mouthed b.s. explanation.
As a law student in Slovenia, which is a fairly well ordered country, I would still consider the British justice system the envy of the World, and it pains me to see it tainted by all the thought policing, that's going on now
this woman is the problem with the bleed heart judiciary , she just doesn't get it . when people do "wicked" things , they are capable of doing other criminal acts and need to be locked up away from good people so they don't get the opportunity to do more harm and should not be released too quickly to be seen to them that the consequences are minimal
Locked away forever? What do you mean "no"? It's *you* who are problem: the question is not "how to punish" criminals; but "how to make fewer of them". That's what she tried to explain. Oh, you think it's not fair that deterrence doesn't work? Yea, life isn't fair.
Correlation isn't necessarily causation. Overly permissive attitudes and policies can lead to both, such that the increase in migration isn't solely responsible for the increase in knife crimes.
Did jury service once. Was terrifying seeing people grapple with the requirements asked of them - to use only evidence to make a decision against the criteria set out. In deliberations, instantly "I don't think they deserve to have a criminal record, they seem like good lads..."! i.e. It went instantly off track! One person changed their minds so they didn't have to return the next day for further deliberations. It was not very inspiring....
Similar thing happened to me, except it was "he's obviously a toe rag, but he didn't hurt anyone physically, so not guilty". I felt a better explanation of how to process the evidence would have helped, along with a cautionary note about not bringing in irrelevant opinions.
When I did jury selection I had guys coming up asking for tips for things to say to get them out of it. One looked like a coked up Ric Flair, he was really impressed with my simple answers about how I don't feel it's my place to judge people. It was an old white broad and her two mixed race grandchildren trying to sue a hospital for killing their terminally ill daughter/mother, it was an obvious hustle. Today I would have just come off as really racist to get their lawyers to want me out. Anyway the point was of the group of 50 or so it seemed like only one woman really wanted to be there.
There is a RUclips channel, Pat Brown, criminal profiler. I recommend it to you. In at least one of her videos, she makes a strong case for professional jurors, because of exactly the sort of thing you're talking about.
I'm not british, and the jury system seems completely idiotic to me. Why should a bunch of laypeople, who are not experts on anything related to the crime decide if the defendant is guilty? Why would you decide this on a kind of popular vote?
Bought Wendy's book this morning having watched the first few minutes of this podcast. It is a fantastic read! Funny, moving and educational. Buy it. You won't regret it :)
"How can that child murder get a fair trial if the jury can see a picture of the child they killed?" Holy shit. That's some freaky logic from an ex-judge.
I think that was about the possibility that emotional influence on the jury could become an argument in the hands of the defence. They might argue the defendant is not getting a fair trial.
@@theminister1154 I didn't think she was crazy or dysfunctional at all. She was obviously avoiding certain issues and being careful with words (as judges need to be), but I saw a very aware and calculating person.
mjanny - People are not terribly rational and many are easily swayed by emotional appeal. When a crime is particularly heinous, such as a child murder or rape, emotion clouds their judgement and they are inclined to assume that the person accused is guilty, giving it no further thought. The judge understood this and made a good decision.
About a decade ago, in Brazil (Rio), a 7 year-old boy was in the back seat of a car that was robbed and, as his mother tried to set him free from the seatbelt, the thiefs left with the boy hanging out of the car. They drove for 7km. It's definetly one of the worst cases of death envolving burglery that I can remember. Those are people that completely lost their humanity.
This felt like pulling teeth. She seemed to consistently evade the core question of what criminal justice is even FOR if judges themselves don't believe in the prison system, or incarceration as a solution whatsoever.
I studied law (albeit some years ago). The phrase I remember is: To Correct and Reform, to Punish and Deter. I hardly ever hear it these days - unsure if things have changed.
“Ordinary people” do not commit violent crime. Violent criminals are a small minority, so to call them “ordinary” is bordering on dishonesty. Those who are convicted for violent crime, more often than not have a history of violence. This seems symptomatic of an attitude that criminality is a sickness, not a choice. That people are not imprisoned to be punished and pay their debt, but only until they are considered less likely to re-offend. One of the problems with this is that it is entirely subjective. Every accused is advised to express “remorse”, whether they genuinely feel it, or not. Another is that there is no objectivity in sentencing. The sentence does not fit the crime, only what the judge “feels” is necessary to reform them. There is no sense of debt to society, and how can there be when the criminal is “sick”, not evil. Maybe we should bring back corporal punishment. The debt is paid and the criminal is able to return to society without being socialised to prison society.
Ten percent of the prison population are psychopaths, so for this judge to say that she could count all the wicked people she has seen in court on her fingers says to me that she is a very poor judge of character, or they don't ask the right questions, or wicked people are very good at hiding it.
A judge lives in a bubble, she doesn't actually mix with these people. She just sees them in court on their best behaviour, the one time in their life when they're wearing a suit and tie. And you don't have to be an evil psychopath to wreak havoc on the world. Who cares what their innermost thoughts and feelings are. I just don't want someone stealing my car or scamming my grandma.
@@stevem815I wouldn't readily discount the importance of understanding how a criminal thinks, particularly a violent one, if your goal is for the innocent to be protected from these individuals.
The only study I can see using searches for both psychopathy and anti-social personality disorder for the UK is one from 2009 and the prevalence was 7.7%.
Illiteracy is primarily the fault of parents. You don't have to be wealthy, well off, or "privileged" to impart in your children the importance of education and hard work. You also need to balance love and nurturing with discipline and morals. Checking their homework, taking interest in their schooling/grades and not allowing them to watch TV or play video games for endless hours is a start. Not giving them a cell phone at a ridiculously young age is another. Set an example for them by being a good, caring and hard working individual yourself. Be there for them so they don't have to turn to "bad influences" to get the attention they seek. None of these things cost money, so there is really no excuse to not provide them.
@@grannyannie2948 Yes, exactly. The other very important component of this is to stop teachers from using their classrooms to promote political ideologies and foster hate. Get back to teaching the things that will allow these children to succeed in life and become productive members of society. Teaching them that they can be any gender they like on any given day and that one race is responsible for all the ills of the planet is just sowing hate and division that will, ultimately, foster the violence that we see so rampant in our societies today. Stop with all this nonsense already. Parents, make it your business to know what your children are being told by their teachers and do what you can to counter balance these destructive ideologies.
@@musicaldiscovery1434 Your comment is shadow banned I don't know why. I agree. I think it goes further than that. I'm Australian and I think we have a bit more flexibility than British school's. For example small private Catholic schools are popular with families of all, or no religion, in fact I think a third of children go to private schools, and my experience is they are better. Homeschooling is also more common in Australia than Britain. I am unvaxed and during the period there were concerns unvaxed kids would not be allowed in schools. Groups of concerned parents got together ( I know of two groups in different towns) and made serious enquiries into hiring a teacher, finding a suitable space and literally starting their own school, how much it would cost etc. This was helped by the fact that unvaxed teachers were not allowed to work, so there were plenty looking for work outside the system. Ultimately I think this will be the way forward. Just monitoring what kids are learning and not learning won't force the system to change. The families need to remove their kids from government schools, one way or another, until the whole system collapses.
@@rafaelmadrigal9038I’m with you on this one. The bullshit excuses I have heard professionally paint a picture of ex-cons taking zero responsibility for their actions and a nauseating sense of self pity and victim mentality.
@@Bobmudu35UK Context is everything. In the latter case, the kid-murderer would be imprisoned for life thus alleviating the desire of the parent to take revenge. But, sure, lenience should be applied in these kind of cases.
@@paulwally9007 The nonce wouldn't be in prison if the father,in most cases got to him,(almost always men,even the ones wearing women's clothes) first. But as you say, leniency should be applied when needed. I'm not it always is. But for the murders we hear about mostly,I'd say most should never be released.
But your all frauds making no sense in the first place. 😂🎉 good luck, but then again you don't need luck for an infinite story generator for content and money.
That's an interesting prison reform policy: mass extermination. You may be comfortable with that, but I'm not sure you'll find many other who share your enthusiasm.
Yes. It is how it works. There are very few real psychopaths. If you think there are loads, then you have not met one. And you know that they are irredeemable within 30 seconds.
@@freebornaiden7666 People seem to forget this is their job lol. If a guy on trial for murder can't present as remorseful or even respectful of the circumstances when they find themselves in front of a judge at their own trial...what's going on? Maybe they are an absolute sociopath.
@@thicclizzyisamanbaby5316Nope. The Judge’s job is to apply the law dispassionately. That *should* mean that the punishment fits the crime, not the Judge’s subjective assessment of “character”, made while listening to a performance that has been carefully prepared by the legal defence.
How many had fathers? "I couldn't put a number on it". Yes you could. 0% will have a biological father in the home. I'm glad of the opportunity to hear her thoughts but the tapdancing around the issue of saying it's black boys and men between 14 and 25 that are doing 90% of the killing is infuriating.
Inability? He who has a why can bare any how; perhaps we should ask ourselves why a life of violence and crime is becoming an increasingly more attractive option for boys rather than any other kind of alternative, perhaps we should consider whether or not they are making that choice because the only alternative being presented to an increasingly larger number of boys is to be nothing at all. Given a choice between a life essentially void of meaning though lawful, and a life, though violent and terrible, is at the very least meaningful, should we really suppose the general preference will be the choice of the former over the latter? Their families, their schools, their communities, their broader societies have brought them into existence and essentially asked them to be nothing, and furthermore actively trained them to accept the condemnation of their ambition to be more than nothing as a kind of "entitlement" or "privilege" in accordance with the prerogatives of "social justice" and "progress"; given that sense of his own future, why exactly shouldn't we expect boys to choose a life as contrary to that "lawful" fate as possible? It is often asserted that "crime doesn't pay", and this is generally correct, however there is one exception motivated by an intention that values the harm as a desired end for which criminality serves as the means: existential resentment.
@@lancewalker2595- Or maybe by being in a gang they can feel powerful by bullying people in groups and make some quick money. Maybe they’re just thinking about the present and believe they will not get caught.
The last answer this lady gave was the one that really got me. She explained the effects of poor literacy better than anyone I've heard. I can't believe it's still such an issue - I remember a big campaign around this when I was a kid, over 40 years ago. Can't believe we're still here.
Literacy rates in England were on the rise until the student population was diluted with students from certain parts of the world. It's an issue because literal sub humans can't be taught like regular people can.
@dominionphilosophy3698 yes - looked into Finland’s education system some years ago when my son was struggling at school. We removed him and home educated! Best thing we ever did for him.
We're practically at the mercy of criminals on the street, out on bail, parole, rehabilitation...my neighbours' house got broken into by a gang of kids. Police came and acted as it was treated like a crime, but I know nothing will be done. Then these kids will graduate to more serious crimes and bad luck to the rest of us. Like another gang of 15 year olds who stabbed another kid to death to steal his shoes just a 20 minute drive from my neighbourhood.
I just saw video doc how lot of western cars end up in ghana after being stolen... it is no coincidence there has to be links to organized crime + immigrants in these cases. Kids do dumb things but adults, perhaps same kids later, do things more deliberate to get money to feed themselves.
And the decision makers and high court judges in our society don't live anywhere near this. If they did you can be sure something would happen pretty quickly.
Downvoted. Not you guys -as usual you are great. But this woman is detached from having to face the daily realities of crime because of her class. If she lived constantly in harm's way, she'd know poor communities are sick of this rich, liberal, 'we just need more compassion' ideology. Excessive liberalism has taken authority and respect away from families and the state. People commit crimes because they feel either they won't get caught, or they can cope with the punishment. I've lived in countries where the majority of people are far poorer than those in the UK, but with much less crime.
The problem with people of her class is she believes nurture outweighs nature. If you are born with a low IQ and low impulse control literacy training won't solve it.
This here is exactly why the Justice system is in doubt in the US. We need to lock these serious criminals up, re-institute capital punishment, and ensure that those who murder stay in prison. The folks who get killed after letting them out are NEVER from this lady’s neighborhood. If more of HER buddies got whacked, she would be a lot less empathetic.
I think we all know the racial demographic most of the knife murderers are from. But if she said it, she’d be cancelled instantly. So we can’t really address the problem when we can’t even have an honest conversation about the whole issue
@@daveharrison61But there’s also a lot of people who have bad or no rolemodels who come to the conclusion that they want to be better than that, and be the good they never had. We can’t pick our beginning but we are all as responsible for the outcome.
@@alaia-awakened yes. But being blunt, people that rebel against the bad role models because they want to be a better person are rare as rocking horse manure. That's the greatest strength and greatest weakness of evolutionarily being a social pack species. We are programmed helix-deep.
Decriminalizing crime would certainly reduce crime and the prison population, if that is the goal. I think a better goal is to create a safer society for the average person.
I have been working in criminal defence for 3 years now, and 95% of my clients fall into 1 of 3 categories: 1. Addicts - either alcohol or drug 2. Mentally ill/Extremely low functioning 3. Very poor/homeless Usually they fall into at least 2, and you very often get the trifecta. The criminal justice system does not work for these people. Their criminality is caused by factors that are largely outside of their control, while the system assumes the opposite. However, from my observation, the system works perfectly for practically everyone else. My clients make up a very small percentage of the total population. 97% of people do not commit crimes. 2% will screw up a single time, and never do it again. 0.5% will go on a spree as a young adult, but get their act together. The remaining 0.5% fall into chronic behaviours and will commit 99% of the crimes. (these numbers are only estimates based upon personal observation, I am open to correction if provided with accurate statistics) This makes it hard to say whether the system is broken or not. It seems to work for the vast majority of people, but when it breaks down, it really breaks down.
This is very interesting. It seems #3 would be a natural consequence of 1 and 2. #2 would appear to be significantly determined by biology, but what causes 1? Prolonged adverse life events, especially exposure to 1, 2 and 3?
You can rob. But you do not kill. And that is what people really care about. No excuses whatsoever. If you kill you take the rap. Get out(maybe) when you are an old man/woman. Old being the operative word
Brit or non-brit? If you are a non-Brit, be aware they have a VERY different situation there. Most of their illegal migrants are about halfway to MS-13 only lower IQ, Muslim, and very high % fighting age men. Most of ours are a far better lot. She would not say it, but I bet 90% of the problem cases are either as I describe or 1st gen descendants thereof.
@@theminister1154 I'm Canadian, and most of my clients are minorities (either indigenous or immigrants). However, I don't consider that as significant a factor because when I do get a non-minority client, the factors I listed, still apply. As for what is happening in Britain, you are correct that I cannot speak to that circumstance. I would however argue that an immigrant family could reasonably all under the "poor" category, due to their circumstances.
@@EastMidlandsDUTCHess I think the issue is a lot of people feel like she's not really being forthcoming with her answers. She's beating around the bush a lot, like she's afraid of being canceled for saying things in a straightforward manner. It's very hard to get through this interview.
I think the final point on reading is so true - if you can read you can enter the thoughts and experiences of others. Reading is perhaps the biggest gift anyone can be given.
Whilst raised mainly in Western Europe I also have a mother from the Far East where the criminal justice systems, if you can call them that, are shall we say less into the whole rehabilitation angle. I’ve always enjoyed living in a tolerant liberal society but then I see how safe a country like Singapore is and struggle with what the right balance is between punishment and rehabilitation. Similarly for years I was on the fence regarding the issue of capital punishment. That was until the case of Josef Fritzl was publicised. I don’t say this lightly but that man truly deserves to die and if I were charged with executing him I’d do so with a completely clear conscience. Sadly it’s the same thing with me when it comes to the justice system, I’ve seen too much bad things happen to innocent people to get behind what happens here in the West, especially white collar crime. Personally I’m all in favour of the justice system acting as a very strong deterrent.
Japan is a VERY safe society, DESPITE the fact that the courts do their best NOT to implement the death penalty. You basically have to kill at least three people for them to hang you. On the other hand, prison in Japan is tough; Western prisons are like holiday camps.
Let's get this right. You were "on the fence regarding capital punishment" until you read about the case of Josef Fritzl, who was certainly a horrible human being who committed horrific crimes, but who never killed anyone. You were quite happy to let serial killers and mass murderers, including Islamic terrorists, live out their lives, but you want to apply capital punishment to Fritzl, who would never be sentenced to death in any modern-day courtroom? Don't you think you may have your priorities wrong? I know that if I had been the father of one of those blown apart at the Manchester concert or the Bataclan concert, I would definitely want the killers executed. This is not to mention evil creatures like the Moors murderers or Jeffrey Dahmer.
You are comparing Singapore to the UK? You are comparing what is by far one of the wealthiest per capita nations on earth with a population the size of Manchester to the UK?
@@DieFlabbergast I’d say that subjecting your own daughter to decades of forced imprisonment, rape and impregnation is at least equivalent to murder. That woman and her children endured a living death.
This is one of the reasons some people say women shouldn't be leaders/judges/politicians etc. Do you want a warm, kind, compassionate and empathetic person who takes pity on child murderers, or do you want a cold, clinical machiavellian who brings the hammer down like the wrath of god
@@JohnTCampbell1986I want someone who applies the Law dispassionately, without fear or favour. The Rule of Law means that the Law applies equally to all, King or Peasant, rich or poor, make or female, black or white.
It's not pity to say problems are being created for young people by a societal breakdown. The education system is not fit for purpose and needs to be addressed to avoid the issues occurring in the first place. I'm acquainted with a male KC and he says the same - actually terrible people are very few. We have to address the societal issues creating the circumstances to result in dreadful outcomes.
I’m a middle of the road Republican who voted for Bill Clinton. At that time I worked in Corrections in California for 25 years. Nearly 100 percent of my students were either black or Hispanic. I never met one who thought of himself as a victim--never. On the contrary, the idea that somewhere, somehow, some pesky white person, or persons, was responsible for their incarceration would be considered undignified. In fact, if I heard it once, I heard a variant of the following hundreds of times: “My brother is an attorney and my sisters work for IBM. I put myself in this place. Growing up I was a screw up and wouldn’t listen to my parents.” Sometimes they would say, “My mother and my coaches did the best they could, but the streets, they kept a calling my name.” I’ve been a high school teacher, a correctional public school teacher, correctional officer, and a parent. I’m 62 years old. I am so glad that I wasn’t born in 1992. Have a nice day. RK, So Cal.
It's always blamed on muh poverty, and it's one of the laziest and most disingenuous excuses ever. Poland is much poorer than the UK, and violent crime is far lower. Victorian London was pretty bloody poor and squalid too, but you didn't have 25 stabbings a day. Croydon was actually pretty salubrious till the 1980s. I wonder what could have changed 🤔
as Jordan Peterson pointed out, it's not about poverty - else hunter-gathered tribes would be a non stop bloodbath. what it's really about is being in poverty AND being adjacent to wealth. eg living in a first world country with a smartphone but being dirt poor. seeing all the luxury and indulgence and pussy around you and being utterly poor with no real chance of improvement. thing is, that's no excuse. that EXPLAINS the situation but doesn't justify it. plenty of impoverished natives still don't do these crimes anywhere near as much
I recall years ago listening to a psychologist saying that the population can be divided according to three levels of internalized morality. Group 1 believes that you should NEVER steal even if you can, with 100% certainty, get away with it it's intrinsically wrong. Group 2 won't steal because they rationalize that if everyone stole, they would suffer from a dangerous society. Group 3 would steal if they knew for sure they would get away with it. The scary part is that each group made up about a third of the population. If you want to stop Group 3 you better have some draconian laws to make the risk way too much for the reward.
She is the perfect example that illustrates the issue at hand. Let's not identify who is the guilty party because it is not politically correct. If this is what we keep on doing, we will never solve the issue. Totally pointless.
So her essential claim is that we are giving out longer sentences, yet there are more violent people. ergo, longer sentences make the people more violent. She says she sees more criminals today than she did 30 years ago... Does it not occur to her that perhaps the people she is judging today are not the same people that she was judging 30 years ago?
This conversation started out well enough ,,, but then it took a left turn into the viewpoint that there are no criminals - only victims ... it's just one endless cycle of victims grooming younger victims to become victims. Either you believe in free will or don't - and I respect people who don't - but if you believe in free will then you have to explain why only a very small minority of people end up in the Old Bailey on a murder rap - why not the boy next door or the brother who was faced with the same choices? 33:53 - "Very often, sending somebody to prison is a surefire way of making sure they continue to offend as you put them in a situation where they are mixing with, and only with, wrongdoers, people whose mindsets are of 'wrong-doing'." - so we have people who are victims - and wrongdoers .... really???
Such a very important dialogue. I truly believe that we need more than prison to help victims and society. The wrong doers need punishment, but also have way to change and redeem themselves.
A lot of what she said goes against previous guest Theodore Dalrinpole who worked in prisons. Poverty isn't the cause of crime as most poor people aren't criminals. It's a series of bad choices. One aspect that is overlooked is that prisoners were found to be deficient in vital vitamin and minerals. One prison saw a reduction in bad behaviour once they administered omega 3s. This may play a part in some cases.
That's a valid point. Also the fact that brain chemistry changes in late adolescence must also have be a factor in some degree. Also like you said the impact of poor diet and especially if they've been on a poor diet since birth.
The primary point of the criminal justice system is for the protection of the public. Everytime we get further from that principle we make things worse.
Criminals are harmed by punishment, yes. That's why it's a punishment. Although I doubt she means to, she's making a good case for the death penalty - which I don't even support.
England used to have a man who handled the problem of murdering thugs. His name was Albert Pierpoint, and he was very effective. I think this nice lady would prefer more social workers.
I feel she is part of the problem. It's too deep to put into a comment section but people make bad choices coupled with lack of personal responsibility and for the sake of justice for victims, protection of society and social cohesion then offenders must be put away for long periods. At the same time we must stop demonising all men as toxic etc and raise children with far better examples so they grow up to be responsible with a positive attitude which make path of crime less likely. There are of course many other reasons and solutions but reversing the degradation over the years won't be easy.
Justice is by definition the primary social contract of civilization, has always been that the state will take revenge on behalf of citizens. Rehabilitation is a worthy ambition, but if you discard Justice, the social contract is broken. If the state reneges on it's commitment, you've got to expect that people will revert to taking revenge themselves.
She's a duplicitous spiritual mytocarditis bleeding heart freak who _absolutely_ should not hold a judgeship. God I hope you were being ironic. It's people like this PETRIFIED of telling the damn TRUTH that are killing Britain by the day. They can't even admit why the NHS & roads & housing are slammed to the brink of DEATH. My god I hope you were being iroic. Say this out loud right now. Say it loud: "NHS underfunding, housing prices, and general infrastructure & moral decay are caused by unrestricted immigration." Just say it. Say it now. You know it's the truth or you are a fool. Only 2 options. Go overlay housing costs & NHS spending on immigration graphs. It's the same picture.
@damarcuscolfer1485 I hear you, but I feel that's the price I have to pay, being patient, learning to listen, in order to expand my mind and better myself. Remember, this is thought provoking content that's is free. And TANSTAAFL!
Absolutely terrible judge. Can’t think honestly, can’t speak openly and has incredibly irrational opinions on law, crime and punishment. Typical bleeding heart who cares about criminals but not victims. This is the face of why crime has exploded out of control. Not poverty, not “marginalization” nothing but a half assed legal system that refuses to smash the criminal.
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I wish you had asked her why rape is rarely ever prosecuted in British courts!
We all know that a large number of rapes are never even reported. Of all the rapes reported, LESS than 3% are ever successfully prosecuted in court. Isn’t rape a serious violent crime?
Wendy has nothing very interesting to say
She’s wrong she says there are longer sentences for murder but it’s not true if your an illegal immigrant they are killing indigenous Brits and getting away with it or very lenient sentences
_If_ a person is a repeat violent offender, the _only_ way to keep them from hurting people is incarceration. It's not about punishment. It's about removing them from society.
Or, you know, incineration.
That's why capital punishment existed for so long. Not only did it remove criminals from society it removed them from the gene pool, ensuring they could not breed and pass on their criminal genes.
Spoken by someone who has never seen the inside of a prison. If you are in prison your survival depends on how violent and brutal you can be. Anything else you either die or become a fuck toy for the worst of the worst. That means if you disrespect someone who has done serious timed his first instinct is to beat you senseless.
@@tomjackson4374 So run the prisons differently
@@MagruderSpoots I have said that for years. If you put someone somewhere that they have to become a monster to survive don't expect that to change when they get out.
I am a Londoner living in Portugal. Portugal has higher absolute and relative poverty and far higher immigration and little gang culture. What it hasn't had is a break down of the family. I'm not talking about divorce but the ability of grandmothers, aunts and cousins live close by and be involved in childrearing.
Does Portugal pay people to have children they cannot afford?
Yeah, that's a big element
Also drug legalization removing black market profits (ideally you also refuse to revive ODs and forbid the use of public spaces so the liberty to abuse drugs is balanced by personal responsibility & liability)
@@anonymousAJ Ok drugs werent made legal in Portugal, a lot of people often get that wrong , there was a decriminalisation on the consumption. But trafficking is still illegal... so depending how much you carrying ( lets say the police catches you with a trunk full of cocaine, several kilos, of it.... yeah you going to prison) But if they catch someone snorting cocaine, just a few grams by the law isnt really a big deal. Thats it.
This is true, but i fear it might be changing, as we have very low birth rates and low constitution of new families isnt happening as much (like most of the west), when older generation pass away, that support might not be there as much, in the future unfortunately, and dont let it fool you, mass migration is no doubt changing things, its that we are kinda far behind in the curve in comparison to UK or even France and the rest of EU, and also the fact that Portugal isnt as desirable for a lot of migrants as the richer countries in the North of Europe, so often Portugal serves as this kind of entry point for migration, when they arrive, sometimes they leave to other places
@@anonymousAJThe drug legalisation in Portugal doesn't work. It's a big myth. Read Schellenberger's "San Fransicko".
"He who has mercy on the cruel, will end up being cruel to the merciful".
You mean the MASSIVE opportunity cost of paying to house psychopaths while children are emotionally/socially starving in estates.
Nice!!
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That is spot on, we see the fruits of this today more than ever before. Everyday someone else murdered by someone who should have been in prison but was let out by idiots and ideologues.
@@isitoppositeday6944 why are you even willing to house them? They can't change, they can only age out. When a psycho turns 39 the terror calms down a bit, but it's still possible once back on the street. Better to clean up immediately than to let the problem fester. Give them time to state their apologies or write a quick memoir, then off to the firing squad.
I haven't believed in the criminal justice system since 2006, my dad was involved in a car accident that left the other driver dead and he was taken to court for causing death by dangerous driving. The accident in question occured on a crossroads in a 30mph speed zone while my dad was driving a vehicle restricted to 50 mph and didn't have seatbelts, not to mention he was training another driver on a new delivery route he had never driven before, the other car was found to have been traveling at roughly 120mph..... That morning my mum went to the crashsite and took pictures including the giveway sign that was completely covered by overgrown hedges. The next day the hedges where cut and the prosecution pushed that it was clear and my dad was just oblivious to it, when we supplied the pictures clearly showing it as overgrown with the morning news paper the prosecution tried to suggest that we had in someway falsified the paper? When we argued that my dad was under the speed limit due to the tire track analysis the prosecution argued that there was a 5-10 mph room for error, his defence pointed out that the other driver was going 120mph we were told/scolded by the judge for "speaking ill of the dead" and was then told my dad was acting like a sociopath for showing no emotion during the trail. The accident had left my dad emotionally catatonic, he barley spoke who responded to anyone. He didn't smile for nearly 4 years after, I only bring this up because despite the judges clear disdain for my dad the trail was set back 4 separate occasions because the wife of the other driver kept using the insurance money to go on holiday, and not peaceful countryside holidays. Magaluf. Corfu. Ibiza and another party destination I can't remember of the top of my head. But when our defence pointed out that after 3 months of delays that in another 3 months the court case would have to be thrown out to a change in the laws the judge once again scolded them for "not caring for the "victims" family" and proceeded to tell us that the case would be brought against him again however instead of facing a driving ban and hefty fine my dad would be looking at 4 years in prison. The legal system had no care for my dad one of the kindest men I've ever seen who to this day is still affected by the fact he was involved in another man's death. All they wanted was another "win" but hey it's not like it destroyed an entire family just for the sake of their own self worth
Yes, the police and the judicial system are not interested in justice.
They are only interested in “wins”, to make themselves look good, in the face of so many failures.
The justice system is filled with humans, thats why it needs to have advocates on the defense side. A justice system that disallows self defense arguments is totalitarian. Somehow this has slipped back into society. The worst part is judges like these go home and sleep soundly knowing they wont get ribboned by long knives.
@maidsubrena fortunately the trail moved forward before the laws where changed so my dad was "let off" with a 4 year driving ban, which living in the countryside effectively made him unemployed for nearly a year, at the same time my family due to other circumstances had declared bankruptcy, so life was a struggle
what u call an african who loses their unborn baby? A miscarriage of justice LEL @maidsubrena
I have been on two juries. Both juries were overwhelmingly middle aged women of low intelligence whose principle occupation was watching daytime television.
Both trials IMO were wrong. We found a frail elderly women guilty of assaulting a giant sized teenager and we found a career gang member innocent of torturing a young girl.
IMO we have the society we have because we simply do not care enough about our society to do better.
Society gets what it tolerates.
Like high crime, suffering and death due to tolerating right wing politicians in office.
Exactly right.
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Exactly! I love your comment, @phillipadams5386
Denzel Washington said it best- if you don’t find a father in your home, you will find a father in the streets. We have to give these kids options to find safety, tranquility and positive role models after the school bell rings. So many go to an empty home and end up enthralled by the streets.
Yes but murder is murder we should not forget that
Absolutely- I’m saying it’s a murder that could have been prevented with some very cheap social programs. Once a person becomes a murderer- it’s the book to be thrown at them. It’s too late.
Thank the government for paying women to push the father out of of the home. Poverty has existed forever but the social issues we are seeing at this level has escalated in recent decades.
@@MasterMalrubius They’re not just pushing the father out of the home. They’re marrying these women to the government.
@@MasterMalrubius thank the absent fathers for not taking responsibility for their own children
A friend of mine ended up teaching in prison. He met a lad we both taught when we both worked in the same state school. He was in for murder. I asked if he was remorseful about what happened. My friend said the lad said he thought it was unfair that he got sent down for just doing one thing. That's the message kids who push the boundaries get from schools. Second chance after second chance after fresh start etc.
compare this with how failed entrepreneur gets? aint it basicly "your choice, your responsibility" to be bankcrupt and no money.... Im talking regular people doing it, not some well connected elite people.
When i was young i noticed that the cops would go easy on the lads that pushed the boundries, and would go extra hard on the nice compliant lads
Sounds like a sociopath. That ONE THING was permanent.
Blimey that is scary. Makes sense but it's frightening how some perpetrators think
I’m a middle of the road Republican who voted for Bill Clinton. At that time I worked in Corrections in California for 25 years. Nearly 100 percent of my students were either black or Hispanic. I never met one who thought of himself as a victim--never. On the contrary, the idea that somewhere, somehow, some pesky white person, or persons, was responsible for their incarceration would be considered undignified. In fact, if I heard it once, I heard a variant of the following hundreds of times: “My brother is an attorney and my sisters work for IBM. I put myself in this place. Growing up I was a screw up and wouldn’t listen to my parents.” Sometimes they would say, “My mother and my coaches did the best they could, but the streets, they kept a calling my name.” I’ve been a high school teacher, a correctional public school teacher, correctional officer, and a parent. I’m 62 years old. I am so glad that I wasn’t born in 1992. Have a nice day. RK, So Cal.
I could have listened to Wendy for days, what a fascinating glimpse into the system. I'm so glad she spoke about the importance of empathy and the difference between empathy and sympathy; listening to someone who has spent their entire working life in a specific field is like nothing else, there is such a wealth of experience and knowledge there. Thank you.
As an ex police officer (so glad i left) I can say with certainty that the vast majority of crime is committed by a tiny number of repeat offenders.
Lock them in a dark pit as cheaply as possible and never release them, job done.
These repeat offenders are the 'bad boys' that dozy women get impregnated by the offspring of which become the next generation of offenders.
Scrotes beget scrotes
I say the law aught to stop being involved completely. Let people know that violent attacks will not be policed. Whites can move away. And then the immigrant population violence problem will sort itself out. It doesnt matter how long an african migrant or a 2nd gen lives in england, he will always be a migrant to the land of indigenous europeans, just like europeans are always migrants to americas and never "belonging" there. They want to live in a lawless somalian style hellscape? Let it happen.
Btw I notice how you say its womens fault these bad genes continue to exist. I 100% agree. This is why we have fathers police who women got to marry when they were 16. It turns out enforced monogamy and patriarchal control over women is how the west became civilized. Since we've abolished these the west is falling apart, mostly due to outsider groups.
You did that once and we ended up in Australia.
@@KJTB8australia is pretty good country nowadays considering all this.... suggesting victorian era class thinking in UK was original reason, like it seems again to be, not genetics. I agree comment premise but people gotta have productive option... often it is just "better people" telling them how bad and useless people they are, so whats to loose then for most of these kids, even when some exception proving the rule does rise up occasinally.... perhaps one in 1000 or less.
If you can’t be honest in the diagnosis then you can’t prescribe the proper cure.
He who has a why can bare any how; perhaps we should ask ourselves why a life of violence and crime is becoming an increasingly more attractive option for boys rather than any other kind of alternative, perhaps we should consider whether or not they are making that choice because the only alternative being presented to an increasingly larger number of boys is to be nothing at all. Given a choice between a life essentially void of meaning though lawful, and a life, though violent and terrible, is at the very least meaningful, should we really suppose the general preference will be the choice of the former over the latter? Their families, their schools, their communities, their broader societies have brought them into existence and essentially asked them to be nothing, and furthermore actively trained them to accept the condemnation of their ambition to be more than nothing as a kind of "entitlement" or "privilege" in accordance with the prerogatives of "social justice" and "progress"; given that sense of his own future, why exactly shouldn't we expect boys to choose a life as contrary to that "lawful" fate as possible? It is often asserted that "crime doesn't pay", and this is generally correct, however there is one exception motivated by an intention that values the harm as a desired end for which criminality serves as the means: existential resentment.
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Increasing.. yes.. is there any correlation with the increase?
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@@lancewalker2595 it seems that Dr Jordan Peterson may have an explanation for that..?
Because its cool to be a dindu thats all. They have choices in life, but the crabs in a bucket behavior pulls down the successful black ones for "acting too white". Jealousy and resentment are how those people destroy their potential successful ones. Think about it. Stefan molyneux and jordan peterson both said that as you get your life together, if you are in a dysfunctional family they'll try to pull you down again because of resentment. The black community says we are all one race, but hen they act like an extended family based on genetics, specifically around haplogroup (skin color and skull shapes and nose shapes etc), based on the reigon they're all from. For first gens there might be infighting based on ethnicity from africa, but after a few gens, they tend to become "we all one family" types, even though they love to machete each other over "beefs". And since they view themselves as one big family, and since the larger a group is the more likely the level of dysfunction is to increase, they dont expel the defective people from their group and those defective people tear down the rest of them and fill their heads with "you cant succeed cuz its other people's fault". Even small families can do this to their own kids regardless of skin color. It just happens that they are acting like a gigantic single family. @@lancewalker2595
She said, I don’t want to focus on a particular ethnic or religious sector. Me: ok, you’re taking about blacks and muslims.
They come from “difficult homes”. Me: kids aren’t disciplined, taught manners and forced to value education.
We haven’t taken the care to include them. Me: They weren’t disciplined properly by parents and schools
I came from one of the most "difficult homes" possible and where education was impossible. I didn't need discipline not to be an arsehole.
She evaded the elephant in the room. They never asked about the politicisation of the judiciary whci is now a problem in England.
Right, Its insane we cant even talk freely about issues and we have to read between the lines
We cant solve any problem if we cant even talk about it. I have only watched a few minutes and I can tell this is going to be boring so im tapping out.
She is clearly beating around the bush...
@@lindsaywatson4749when and how did that happen?
"..Crime is Not to punish wrongdoers." ...She actually says this!! ..As if punishing people for killing/robbing would be wrong on moral grounds. Thanks for doing this guys. I now see exactly why you are going down the tubes.
That's the true point. It should be about punishment first , for the victims and secondly about keeping them away from the general public. Not the other way around. Violent crime goes to the very core of our being and should be treated as seriously as anything in society.
If Gilbert Futz murders someone and is not punished, Josh Poovey may get the notion that murder has no consequences. The primary objective is to discourage others from committing the same crime.
The idea that serial killers can eventually get parole is shocking. Colin Pitchfork anyone?
NO NO NO to remove these people FROM society is first and foremost the purpose of incarceration.
He who has a why can bare any how; perhaps we should ask ourselves why a life of violence and crime is becoming an increasingly more attractive option for boys rather than any other kind of alternative, perhaps we should consider whether or not they are making that choice because the only alternative being presented to an increasingly larger number of boys is to be nothing at all. Given a choice between a life essentially void of meaning though lawful, and a life, though violent and terrible, is at the very least meaningful, should we really suppose the general preference will be the choice of the former over the latter? Their families, their schools, their communities, their broader societies have brought them into existence and essentially asked them to be nothing, and furthermore actively trained them to accept the condemnation of their ambition to be more than nothing as a kind of "entitlement" or "privilege" in accordance with the prerogatives of "social justice" and "progress"; given that sense of his own future, why exactly shouldn't we expect boys to choose a life as contrary to that "lawful" fate as possible? It is often asserted that "crime doesn't pay", and this is generally correct, however there is one exception motivated by an intention that values the harm as a desired end for which criminality serves as the means: existential resentment.
Who made you the decider of the purpose of incarceration or what official document are you quoting from?
Actually, you are partly correct - The purpose of the legal system is to do whatever the voting public (or at least their representatives) want it to do. The problem is that people want it to do a poorly defined, and often contradictory, set of things.
@@lancewalker2595There are several known drivers of crime.
- When the law is not enforced and the criminal does not fear being caught.
- When the punishment does not fit the crime.
- When the laws are so vague, confusing and complex that there is no clear divide between legal and illegal, and people may offend without intending.
- When the outcome of the law does not fit the stated purpose of that law.
- When those who make the law, regard obedience to it as optional.
- When enforcement and sentencing are erratic , inconsistent or smell of corruption.
The more we lead young people to believe that our culture is inherently evil and worthless, the more they will regard the laws and institutions of our culture to be not worth respecting.
@@SmileyEmoji42lance didn’t decide that. It is the difference between criminal and civil law. Criminal law is for the protection of the public. Civil law is for the resolution of problems between individuals.
@@peterwebb8732 Very well stated.
This is how I feel about crime and criminals: "If a person needs a reason to be honest, he can't be trusted." -- Nietzsche
Madison said a constitutional republic will only survive while the people have virtue.
Exactly and the way people are going I have little faith that democracy in the world will last. The people themselves will demand fascism in order to feel safe.
@@Darrylizer1 Which will last for a short(?) time and then revert to someting else; just look at history, say ancient Greece, for example.
It's not about correcting mistakes and rehabilitation, or at least shouldn't be the primary goal. It's about protecting good people from suffering their abuse. It's about removing them from society, to make it better for everyone else.
I do think that for a lot of crimes, restitution is the way to go. You steal somebody's car and wrap it around a tree. Guess what? You stay in prison, working at a piece-rate job that can be parceled out into the prison, until you've earned enough money to pay restitution to the insurance company, for the person's lost work and annoyance, etc. plus the costs of prosecuting you AND housing you and feeding you while you're in the slammer. I bet a lot of property crimes would grind to a screeching halt if instead of three hots and a cot you were working to both support yourself and pay back the person you harmed.
Okay, then why shouldn't they simply be executed?
@@lancewalker2595 Good question. I think those with violent sentences should, personally.
@@BillyTeaStoop Jeez, your ideal society would need execution factories to kill all the many undesirables condemned under your justice system. I suppose transforming prisons into death camps technically would qualify as "prison reform"...
That's what they do in the USA - Doesn't look like it works for them
I've always felt like jails/prisons should be divided into 2 parts: A rehabilitation side where they get classes, counseling, jobs, help preparing for release, chances to earn early release, etc... And the other side for inmates that refuse to behave or participate on the rehab side. Because not everyone wants to rehabilitate. It's up to them and their actions.
We'll see if this vid changes my mind on anything
Sounds fair, just so long as you're not conflating rehabilitation with slave labour.
Everyone is a wage slave so slave labor is meaningless
@@TruthLives-ee6sf Wage slave means something very very different to either slave wages or slave labour, so no, it's not.
And you'd have to be a bit dim to think that it was meaningless just because there are groupings of words into another phrase meaning something else entirely that just happens to share a word with it .. but I'll presume you were just trying to be clever and don't really think that.
@@TruthLives-ee6sf Did you just compare slave labor with someone getting a paycheck?
@@pelinoregeryon6593 people who have done wrong need to pay their debts to society and those who have a conscience will be willing to do so.
"Did they share certain characteristics" Let's quickly skirt around this question
Yes, she has a book to sell and doesn't want to get cancelled for telling the truth.
You might say its kids in poverty with no father figure present
Which just happens to overlap a lot wirh the African Caribbean population.
Being the child of a single mother is the number one indicator that your life will not turn out well
@@liveliestawfulness True, however one of the consequence of refusing to honestly responds to a question is that we live in the real world and when confronted with reality we discover that ethnicity is a characteristic that is shared amongst many of the group causing the issue. When that is the case, the issue will automatically attributed to racism which leads to horrible policies because the reasons for the over representation has very little to do with racism.
Writing this comment made me realized that there is little hope of solving the real issue because I found myself self censoring in order not write something that might get flagged.
She lost all credibility left when she refused to answer. We can't fix the problem when we refuse to even talk about the symptoms.
Lack of education does not cause criminality. Both are caused by an inability to control your impulses and emotions, also being unable to delay gratification.
Oh, she wants to stay torture but then they tell a truth. How fraudulent they can get.
Or expecting to get away with it
True, and keeping bad company
Lack of impulse control and deferral of gratification, a short trigger, low empathy, propensity to violence…. All hallmarks of fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, along with childhood abuse and neglect.
And low IQ.
If someone gets 30 years for murder and she now says that these men come out of prison without a future, it begs a question: The death penalty clearly seems to be the better solution here.
The person they murdered does not have a future either.
Agreed
It would if there were no such things as miscarriages of justices, which unfortunately is not the case.
@@JohnyG29 That would be inarguable if no convicted killer ever killed again...
How many repeat offenders result from no death penalty, & how many miscarriages of justice are there?
One way protects more innocent lives than the other, subtract A from B & you have the better solution.
@@JohnyG29 If i were on deathrow I'd still for capital punishment despite being innocent. 100%
Well done lads, great interview her honour Wendy Joseph KC was a fascinating interviewee.
This woman is a bleeding heart and I can't. She's letting her emotions get in the way of logic. The idea of people like her being in charge of anything, scares the crap out of me. Her mentality will have the crime rates skyrocketing.
I don't know how you can even come to any conclusion like the terrible one you have spouted. She was calm and matter of fact about everything. I completely doubt you understand what logic means.
She does not want to put responsibility on the person committing the crime or their family. She says it is a society issue, mealy mouthed b.s. explanation.
As a law student in Slovenia, which is a fairly well ordered country, I would still consider the British justice system the envy of the World, and it pains me to see it tainted by all the thought policing, that's going on now
Yes, well said !
this woman is the problem with the bleed heart judiciary , she just doesn't get it . when people do "wicked" things , they are capable of doing other criminal acts and need to be locked up away from good people so they don't get the opportunity to do more harm and should not be released too quickly to be seen to them that the consequences are minimal
Locked away forever? What do you mean "no"? It's *you* who are problem: the question is not "how to punish" criminals; but "how to make fewer of them". That's what she tried to explain. Oh, you think it's not fair that deterrence doesn't work? Yea, life isn't fair.
Everyone is capable of doing wicked things. Ordinary Men by (I think) Christopher Browning is worth reading. Really brings home how people fall down.
Violent crimes get the rope
Property crimes get the lash
Everything else gets a laugh
(Abolish prison)
@@anonymousAJ define violent crime?
@@anonymousAJ And what get drunk posting bs on RUclips?
How much does the rise in knife crimes coincide with the UK's immigration policies?
Its totally due to that
Here in Denmark they came first with turks etc. Guestworkers.
Before that no weapons at all.
That's bleedin' obvious..@@TheFrog767
Correlation isn't necessarily causation. Overly permissive attitudes and policies can lead to both, such that the increase in migration isn't solely responsible for the increase in knife crimes.
She and they are frauds for content so she doesn't have the data, but.... Stay tuned!
Another marvelous guest I could've listened to Wendy all day.
Did jury service once. Was terrifying seeing people grapple with the requirements asked of them - to use only evidence to make a decision against the criteria set out. In deliberations, instantly "I don't think they deserve to have a criminal record, they seem like good lads..."! i.e. It went instantly off track! One person changed their minds so they didn't have to return the next day for further deliberations. It was not very inspiring....
Similar thing happened to me, except it was "he's obviously a toe rag, but he didn't hurt anyone physically, so not guilty". I felt a better explanation of how to process the evidence would have helped, along with a cautionary note about not bringing in irrelevant opinions.
When I did jury selection I had guys coming up asking for tips for things to say to get them out of it. One looked like a coked up Ric Flair, he was really impressed with my simple answers about how I don't feel it's my place to judge people. It was an old white broad and her two mixed race grandchildren trying to sue a hospital for killing their terminally ill daughter/mother, it was an obvious hustle. Today I would have just come off as really racist to get their lawyers to want me out. Anyway the point was of the group of 50 or so it seemed like only one woman really wanted to be there.
In your opinion, how much do you think a societal practice of rational debate change that?
There is a RUclips channel, Pat Brown, criminal profiler. I recommend it to you. In at least one of her videos, she makes a strong case for professional jurors, because of exactly the sort of thing you're talking about.
I'm not british, and the jury system seems completely idiotic to me. Why should a bunch of laypeople, who are not experts on anything related to the crime decide if the defendant is guilty? Why would you decide this on a kind of popular vote?
Bought Wendy's book this morning having watched the first few minutes of this podcast. It is a fantastic read! Funny, moving and educational. Buy it. You won't regret it :)
"How can that child murder get a fair trial if the jury can see a picture of the child they killed?"
Holy shit.
That's some freaky logic from an ex-judge.
I think that was about the possibility that emotional influence on the jury could become an argument in the hands of the defence. They might argue the defendant is not getting a fair trial.
I need to watch more of this to decide if this interview was all about getting her craziness & disfunction on camera.
@@theminister1154 I didn't think she was crazy or dysfunctional at all. She was obviously avoiding certain issues and being careful with words (as judges need to be), but I saw a very aware and calculating person.
mjanny - People are not terribly rational and many are easily swayed by emotional appeal. When a crime is particularly heinous, such as a child murder or rape, emotion clouds their judgement and they are inclined to assume that the person accused is guilty, giving it no further thought. The judge understood this and made a good decision.
There's a reason they say justice shouldbe blind....
About a decade ago, in Brazil (Rio), a 7 year-old boy was in the back seat of a car that was robbed and, as his mother tried to set him free from the seatbelt, the thiefs left with the boy hanging out of the car. They drove for 7km. It's definetly one of the worst cases of death envolving burglery that I can remember. Those are people that completely lost their humanity.
Omg that’s so awful. The poor mother, I wonder how people continue to live after their children are so cruelly taken.
@@patriciasanderson2171 tell me about it... and they're probably free... justice is a shame around here.
is their excuse corrupted legislation system, poverty and overcrowded prisons? thats what I often hear in these cases.
This felt like pulling teeth. She seemed to consistently evade the core question of what criminal justice is even FOR if judges themselves don't believe in the prison system, or incarceration as a solution whatsoever.
I studied law (albeit some years ago). The phrase I remember is:
To Correct and Reform, to Punish and Deter.
I hardly ever hear it these days - unsure if things have changed.
@@tonycatman that phrase is great! It has far too much common sense in it to be applied today 😂
“Ordinary people” do not commit violent crime. Violent criminals are a small minority, so to call them “ordinary” is bordering on dishonesty. Those who are convicted for violent crime, more often than not have a history of violence.
This seems symptomatic of an attitude that criminality is a sickness, not a choice. That people are not imprisoned to be punished and pay their debt, but only until they are considered less likely to re-offend. One of the problems with this is that it is entirely subjective. Every accused is advised to express “remorse”, whether they genuinely feel it, or not.
Another is that there is no objectivity in sentencing. The sentence does not fit the crime, only what the judge “feels” is necessary to reform them. There is no sense of debt to society, and how can there be when the criminal is “sick”, not evil.
Maybe we should bring back corporal punishment. The debt is paid and the criminal is able to return to society without being socialised to prison society.
She needs to word it in a manor that doesn't lose her livelihood. But I'll say it, the problem is Jewish
@@peterwebb8732And bring back public capital punishment I think.. maybe even bring back the threshold for that back to where it was 100 years ago.
Wow ! What an amazing discussion. Thank you.
Ten percent of the prison population are psychopaths, so for this judge to say that she could count all the wicked people she has seen in court on her fingers says to me that she is a very poor judge of character, or they don't ask the right questions, or wicked people are very good at hiding it.
Or your percentage is off.
Of course you're an expert, silly me.
A judge lives in a bubble, she doesn't actually mix with these people. She just sees them in court on their best behaviour, the one time in their life when they're wearing a suit and tie.
And you don't have to be an evil psychopath to wreak havoc on the world. Who cares what their innermost thoughts and feelings are. I just don't want someone stealing my car or scamming my grandma.
@@stevem815I wouldn't readily discount the importance of understanding how a criminal thinks, particularly a violent one, if your goal is for the innocent to be protected from these individuals.
The only study I can see using searches for both psychopathy and anti-social personality disorder for the UK is one from 2009 and the prevalence was 7.7%.
Fascinating woman with a fascinating array of experiences.
Thank you, Gents!
People like this should be forced to live in neighborhoods where the people they let out live.
Amazing interview guys, thanks ❤
Society is not a baby sitting service. You man up and be responsible and accountable for your actions.
Lol tell that to the pdfiles in power that have killed billions of people in the past 3 centuries, nice try sheep
No they are not. They're a torture service to torture people then get bots like you to tell them this sentence 😂🎉
Really? Flag me is the best you can do? No wonder this nation is broken.
Absolutely. “We we we” have not included them. It’s “they they they” who commit the crimes.
What if they say no?
Illiteracy is primarily the fault of parents. You don't have to be wealthy, well off, or "privileged" to impart in your children the importance of education and hard work. You also need to balance love and nurturing with discipline and morals. Checking their homework, taking interest in their schooling/grades and not allowing them to watch TV or play video games for endless hours is a start. Not giving them a cell phone at a ridiculously young age is another. Set an example for them by being a good, caring and hard working individual yourself. Be there for them so they don't have to turn to "bad influences" to get the attention they seek. None of these things cost money, so there is really no excuse to not provide them.
Well said 👍
Nor are books expensive, second hand books are very cheap and libraries are free to use.
@@grannyannie2948 Yes, exactly. The other very important component of this is to stop teachers from using their classrooms to promote political ideologies and foster hate. Get back to teaching the things that will allow these children to succeed in life and become productive members of society. Teaching them that they can be any gender they like on any given day and that one race is responsible for all the ills of the planet is just sowing hate and division that will, ultimately, foster the violence that we see so rampant in our societies today. Stop with all this nonsense already. Parents, make it your business to know what your children are being told by their teachers and do what you can to counter balance these destructive ideologies.
@@musicaldiscovery1434 Your comment is shadow banned I don't know why.
I agree. I think it goes further than that. I'm Australian and I think we have a bit more flexibility than British school's. For example small private Catholic schools are popular with families of all, or no religion, in fact I think a third of children go to private schools, and my experience is they are better. Homeschooling is also more common in Australia than Britain. I am unvaxed and during the period there were concerns unvaxed kids would not be allowed in schools. Groups of concerned parents got together ( I know of two groups in different towns) and made serious enquiries into hiring a teacher, finding a suitable space and literally starting their own school, how much it would cost etc. This was helped by the fact that unvaxed teachers were not allowed to work, so there were plenty looking for work outside the system.
Ultimately I think this will be the way forward. Just monitoring what kids are learning and not learning won't force the system to change. The families need to remove their kids from government schools, one way or another, until the whole system collapses.
Fact. I taught my niece to read at 4. Making a game out of it is not that hard!
The change has been on looking at criminals as victims of society. Which is basically bull shit.
Because the pdfiles in power want collapse and depopulation and people do nothing to stop it so you deserve it
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Is not until you become a victim of crime that you will understand.
@@rafaelmadrigal9038I’m with you on this one. The bullshit excuses I have heard professionally paint a picture of ex-cons taking zero responsibility for their actions and a nauseating sense of self pity and victim mentality.
Criminals are usually victims of those around them growing up and grow up with issues, then carry out payback on the rest of society.
I don’t see why someone who has murdered should ever be allowed out.
It's definitely a tough conversation. Cheers
Life should mean life.
@@paulwally9007What about a parent who kills an abuser,or murderer of their kid?
@@Bobmudu35UK Context is everything. In the latter case, the kid-murderer would be imprisoned for life thus alleviating the desire of the parent to take revenge. But, sure, lenience should be applied in these kind of cases.
@@paulwally9007 The nonce wouldn't be in prison if the father,in most cases got to him,(almost always men,even the ones wearing women's clothes) first.
But as you say, leniency should be applied when needed.
I'm not it always is.
But for the murders we hear about mostly,I'd say most should never be released.
Thank you for this upload. Your channel is providing a conduit for people of all political persuasions to have sensible interactions.
We do not have the time to baby sit criminals.
Sure you do cuz you do nothing to stop it so therefore you deserve it
But your all frauds making no sense in the first place. 😂🎉 good luck, but then again you don't need luck for an infinite story generator for content and money.
That's an interesting prison reform policy: mass extermination. You may be comfortable with that, but I'm not sure you'll find many other who share your enthusiasm.
@@lancewalker2595the only one talking about "mass extermination" is you, calm down.
@@apebass2215 What did you hear? You do know that's what OP is means right?
So this Judge thinks that people in court that are wicked, will show their wickedness to her, the Judge? Hmmmm. Yeah, that's not how it works.
Yes, the number of times that is reported that the defence council said that his client was very remorseful.
Yes. It is how it works.
There are very few real psychopaths. If you think there are loads, then you have not met one.
And you know that they are irredeemable within 30 seconds.
Yes, who is a Judge to Judge somebody's character?
@@freebornaiden7666 People seem to forget this is their job lol. If a guy on trial for murder can't present as remorseful or even respectful of the circumstances when they find themselves in front of a judge at their own trial...what's going on? Maybe they are an absolute sociopath.
@@thicclizzyisamanbaby5316Nope. The Judge’s job is to apply the law dispassionately. That *should* mean that the punishment fits the crime, not the Judge’s subjective assessment of “character”, made while listening to a performance that has been carefully prepared by the legal defence.
This is one of the most intriguing topics that you’ve covered so far; enjoyed your guest, thanks
How many had fathers? "I couldn't put a number on it". Yes you could. 0% will have a biological father in the home. I'm glad of the opportunity to hear her thoughts but the tapdancing around the issue of saying it's black boys and men between 14 and 25 that are doing 90% of the killing is infuriating.
So you are saying UK would be an absolute heaven without black men age between 14 and 25?
Listen I used to work in prison in the U.K. and I can promise you white people murder and the majority of people in prison in the U.K. are white.
I'm not convinced by your statistics. 0%?
@@ReasonAboveEverything it was certainly better
Don't let it wind you up . She's a witch
I could listen to Wendy Joseph KC all day long.
Well she is a wonderful example of why our justice system is a shambles!
How so?
Very good interview and a fascinating guest
Another member of the privileged class trying to paint murderers, robbers and rapists as the 'real victims' 🙄
Neeeexxt!
Yeah, she's 50 years out of date. Far, far too late for all that fluffy twaddle now, the public need protection. Time for a cull.
Inability? He who has a why can bare any how; perhaps we should ask ourselves why a life of violence and crime is becoming an increasingly more attractive option for boys rather than any other kind of alternative, perhaps we should consider whether or not they are making that choice because the only alternative being presented to an increasingly larger number of boys is to be nothing at all. Given a choice between a life essentially void of meaning though lawful, and a life, though violent and terrible, is at the very least meaningful, should we really suppose the general preference will be the choice of the former over the latter? Their families, their schools, their communities, their broader societies have brought them into existence and essentially asked them to be nothing, and furthermore actively trained them to accept the condemnation of their ambition to be more than nothing as a kind of "entitlement" or "privilege" in accordance with the prerogatives of "social justice" and "progress"; given that sense of his own future, why exactly shouldn't we expect boys to choose a life as contrary to that "lawful" fate as possible? It is often asserted that "crime doesn't pay", and this is generally correct, however there is one exception motivated by an intention that values the harm as a desired end for which criminality serves as the means: existential resentment.
@@lancewalker2595- Or maybe by being in a gang they can feel powerful by bullying people in groups and make some quick money. Maybe they’re just thinking about the present and believe they will not get caught.
The insight here is that every crime is a societal failure. That is a policy failure, not individual failure.
The last answer this lady gave was the one that really got me. She explained the effects of poor literacy better than anyone I've heard. I can't believe it's still such an issue - I remember a big campaign around this when I was a kid, over 40 years ago. Can't believe we're still here.
Literacy rates in England were on the rise until the student population was diluted with students from certain parts of the world. It's an issue because literal sub humans can't be taught like regular people can.
@dominionphilosophy3698 I am sure you're right. We have a Victorian education system that really needs to change radically but never does.
@dominionphilosophy3698 yes - looked into Finland’s education system some years ago when my son was struggling at school. We removed him and home educated! Best thing we ever did for him.
We're practically at the mercy of criminals on the street, out on bail, parole, rehabilitation...my neighbours' house got broken into by a gang of kids. Police came and acted as it was treated like a crime, but I know nothing will be done. Then these kids will graduate to more serious crimes and bad luck to the rest of us. Like another gang of 15 year olds who stabbed another kid to death to steal his shoes just a 20 minute drive from my neighbourhood.
The system exists to protect the wealthy from the type of crime you are detailing…..
Invite genetics of sociopathy, get sociopathy results in your streets.
I just saw video doc how lot of western cars end up in ghana after being stolen... it is no coincidence there has to be links to organized crime + immigrants in these cases. Kids do dumb things but adults, perhaps same kids later, do things more deliberate to get money to feed themselves.
I'll guess they are not white kids?
And the decision makers and high court judges in our society don't live anywhere near this. If they did you can be sure something would happen pretty quickly.
What a great interview.
One of the most interesting interviews you’ve done. Thank you.
What a fantastic interview!!
She's worth listening to twice!
Thank you for having her on!
Why is nobody talking about the elephant in the room?
Oh yes, I remember, we're not allowed to talk about it.
Downvoted. Not you guys -as usual you are great. But this woman is detached from having to face the daily realities of crime because of her class. If she lived constantly in harm's way, she'd know poor communities are sick of this rich, liberal, 'we just need more compassion' ideology. Excessive liberalism has taken authority and respect away from families and the state. People commit crimes because they feel either they won't get caught, or they can cope with the punishment. I've lived in countries where the majority of people are far poorer than those in the UK, but with much less crime.
The problem with people of her class is she believes nurture outweighs nature. If you are born with a low IQ and low impulse control literacy training won't solve it.
The old “SOCIETY HAS FAILED THEM” narrative…! 🤯🤫🙄😤
More aptly, I would rather put it this way: "THEIR FAMILIES HAVE FAILED THEM AND THEREFORE SOCIETY IS FAILING".
If no one cares, why care??
Seriously...what a friggin amazing talk. That was one of the most pleasing conversations I've heard in a long time. Bravo !
This here is exactly why the Justice system is in doubt in the US. We need to lock these serious criminals up, re-institute capital punishment, and ensure that those who murder stay in prison. The folks who get killed after letting them out are NEVER from this lady’s neighborhood. If more of HER buddies got whacked, she would be a lot less empathetic.
Did you listen to all the podcast before typing that. She seemed based.
I think we all know the racial demographic most of the knife murderers are from. But if she said it, she’d be cancelled instantly. So we can’t really address the problem when we can’t even have an honest conversation about the whole issue
I’m sure you know better than this highly experienced criminal judge, random guy on the internet.
The problem is identity politics have been allowed to creep into the judiciary.
@@CraigB13Well said
The idea that we can prevent violence by regulating some of the tools of violence, is bloody ridiculous.
If all young people are suffering so badly with their lack of pre-frontal cortex development, why are there so many who don't commit crimes?
As she suggested in the first third of the chat, having role models like fathers is a major reason. Other aspects of childhood socialisation.
@@daveharrison61But there’s also a lot of people who have bad or no rolemodels who come to the conclusion that they want to be better than that, and be the good they never had. We can’t pick our beginning but we are all as responsible for the outcome.
@@alaia-awakened yes. But being blunt, people that rebel against the bad role models because they want to be a better person are rare as rocking horse manure. That's the greatest strength and greatest weakness of evolutionarily being a social pack species. We are programmed helix-deep.
Decriminalizing crime would certainly reduce crime and the prison population, if that is the goal. I think a better goal is to create a safer society for the average person.
She is so afraid to ofend…
She's been a laywer for nearly half a century. She knows how to be careful with her words.
every long talk of yalls is so bloody interesting. Im glued to it from start to finish every time.
This is so much more interesting than I've seen on the internet lately.
Thank you
I have been working in criminal defence for 3 years now, and 95% of my clients fall into 1 of 3 categories:
1. Addicts - either alcohol or drug
2. Mentally ill/Extremely low functioning
3. Very poor/homeless
Usually they fall into at least 2, and you very often get the trifecta.
The criminal justice system does not work for these people. Their criminality is caused by factors that are largely outside of their control, while the system assumes the opposite.
However, from my observation, the system works perfectly for practically everyone else. My clients make up a very small percentage of the total population. 97% of people do not commit crimes. 2% will screw up a single time, and never do it again. 0.5% will go on a spree as a young adult, but get their act together. The remaining 0.5% fall into chronic behaviours and will commit 99% of the crimes. (these numbers are only estimates based upon personal observation, I am open to correction if provided with accurate statistics)
This makes it hard to say whether the system is broken or not. It seems to work for the vast majority of people, but when it breaks down, it really breaks down.
This is very interesting. It seems #3 would be a natural consequence of 1 and 2. #2 would appear to be significantly determined by biology, but what causes 1? Prolonged adverse life events, especially exposure to 1, 2 and 3?
You can rob. But you do not kill. And that is what people really care about. No excuses whatsoever. If you kill you take the rap. Get out(maybe) when you are an old man/woman. Old being the operative word
Brit or non-brit? If you are a non-Brit, be aware they have a VERY different situation there. Most of their illegal migrants are about halfway to MS-13 only lower IQ, Muslim, and very high % fighting age men. Most of ours are a far better lot. She would not say it, but I bet 90% of the problem cases are either as I describe or 1st gen descendants thereof.
@@theminister1154 I'm Canadian, and most of my clients are minorities (either indigenous or immigrants). However, I don't consider that as significant a factor because when I do get a non-minority client, the factors I listed, still apply.
As for what is happening in Britain, you are correct that I cannot speak to that circumstance. I would however argue that an immigrant family could reasonably all under the "poor" category, due to their circumstances.
I have been following this channel for over a year and this is the best interview yet. Very thought provoking!
You loco
I totally agree, but looking at many comments not everyone is open to a thought provoking discussion.
@@EastMidlandsDUTCHess I think the issue is a lot of people feel like she's not really being forthcoming with her answers. She's beating around the bush a lot, like she's afraid of being canceled for saying things in a straightforward manner. It's very hard to get through this interview.
I think the final point on reading is so true - if you can read you can enter the thoughts and experiences of others.
Reading is perhaps the biggest gift anyone can be given.
Whilst raised mainly in Western Europe I also have a mother from the Far East where the criminal justice systems, if you can call them that, are shall we say less into the whole rehabilitation angle. I’ve always enjoyed living in a tolerant liberal society but then I see how safe a country like Singapore is and struggle with what the right balance is between punishment and rehabilitation.
Similarly for years I was on the fence regarding the issue of capital punishment. That was until the case of Josef Fritzl was publicised. I don’t say this lightly but that man truly deserves to die and if I were charged with executing him I’d do so with a completely clear conscience. Sadly it’s the same thing with me when it comes to the justice system, I’ve seen too much bad things happen to innocent people to get behind what happens here in the West, especially white collar crime. Personally I’m all in favour of the justice system acting as a very strong deterrent.
Japan is a VERY safe society, DESPITE the fact that the courts do their best NOT to implement the death penalty. You basically have to kill at least three people for them to hang you. On the other hand, prison in Japan is tough; Western prisons are like holiday camps.
Let's get this right. You were "on the fence regarding capital punishment" until you read about the case of Josef Fritzl, who was certainly a horrible human being who committed horrific crimes, but who never killed anyone. You were quite happy to let serial killers and mass murderers, including Islamic terrorists, live out their lives, but you want to apply capital punishment to Fritzl, who would never be sentenced to death in any modern-day courtroom? Don't you think you may have your priorities wrong? I know that if I had been the father of one of those blown apart at the Manchester concert or the Bataclan concert, I would definitely want the killers executed. This is not to mention evil creatures like the Moors murderers or Jeffrey Dahmer.
You are comparing Singapore to the UK? You are comparing what is by far one of the wealthiest per capita nations on earth with a population the size of Manchester to the UK?
@@DieFlabbergast I’d say that subjecting your own daughter to decades of forced imprisonment, rape and impregnation is at least equivalent to murder. That woman and her children endured a living death.
Oh, these poor, vulnerable child murderers - I so happy this judge takes pity on them.
This is one of the reasons some people say women shouldn't be leaders/judges/politicians etc. Do you want a warm, kind, compassionate and empathetic person who takes pity on child murderers, or do you want a cold, clinical machiavellian who brings the hammer down like the wrath of god
@@JohnTCampbell1986I want someone who applies the Law dispassionately, without fear or favour. The Rule of Law means that the Law applies equally to all, King or Peasant, rich or poor, make or female, black or white.
It's not pity to say problems are being created for young people by a societal breakdown. The education system is not fit for purpose and needs to be addressed to avoid the issues occurring in the first place. I'm acquainted with a male KC and he says the same - actually terrible people are very few. We have to address the societal issues creating the circumstances to result in dreadful outcomes.
Prog Left idealism is a luxury set of beliefs about others, one can only afford it because they wont personally die from it.
@@neglectfulsausage7689 have you spent time working with people who've been in prison or in schools?
What a thoughful and reflective conversation. She is a great listener and speaker.
I’m a middle of the road Republican who voted for Bill Clinton. At that time I worked in Corrections in California for 25 years. Nearly 100 percent of my students were either black or Hispanic. I never met one who thought of himself as a victim--never. On the contrary, the idea that somewhere, somehow, some pesky white person, or persons, was responsible for their incarceration would be considered undignified. In fact, if I heard it once, I heard a variant of the following hundreds of times: “My brother is an attorney and my sisters work for IBM. I put myself in this place. Growing up I was a screw up and wouldn’t listen to my parents.” Sometimes they would say, “My mother and my coaches did the best they could, but the streets, they kept a calling my name.” I’ve been a high school teacher, a correctional public school teacher, correctional officer, and a parent. I’m 62 years old. I am so glad that I wasn’t born in 1992. Have a nice day. RK, So Cal.
It's always blamed on muh poverty, and it's one of the laziest and most disingenuous excuses ever. Poland is much poorer than the UK, and violent crime is far lower. Victorian London was pretty bloody poor and squalid too, but you didn't have 25 stabbings a day. Croydon was actually pretty salubrious till the 1980s. I wonder what could have changed 🤔
as Jordan Peterson pointed out, it's not about poverty - else hunter-gathered tribes would be a non stop bloodbath. what it's really about is being in poverty AND being adjacent to wealth. eg living in a first world country with a smartphone but being dirt poor. seeing all the luxury and indulgence and pussy around you and being utterly poor with no real chance of improvement.
thing is, that's no excuse. that EXPLAINS the situation but doesn't justify it. plenty of impoverished natives still don't do these crimes anywhere near as much
I recall years ago listening to a psychologist saying that the population can be divided according to three levels of internalized morality. Group 1 believes that you should NEVER steal even if you can, with 100% certainty, get away with it it's intrinsically wrong. Group 2 won't steal because they rationalize that if everyone stole, they would suffer from a dangerous society. Group 3 would steal if they knew for sure they would get away with it.
The scary part is that each group made up about a third of the population.
If you want to stop Group 3 you better have some draconian laws to make the risk way too much for the reward.
Eskimos?
@@manfrombritain6816Actually hunter gatherer life was a bloodbath.
@manfrombritain6816 You could have just used the word for it instead of a paragraph:
Envy
Judge Wendy comes across as a
complete nerd, and I mean that in the kindest way. Love her accent, too.
She is the perfect example that illustrates the issue at hand. Let's not identify who is the guilty party because it is not politically correct. If this is what we keep on doing, we will never solve the issue. Totally pointless.
So her essential claim is that we are giving out longer sentences, yet there are more violent people. ergo, longer sentences make the people more violent.
She says she sees more criminals today than she did 30 years ago...
Does it not occur to her that perhaps the people she is judging today are not the same people that she was judging 30 years ago?
Outstanding. Surely one of the best YT interviews ever. That calibre of mind does not feature often on YT.
So interesting, I love the interviews that look deep into our society in different ways best.
This conversation started out well enough ,,, but then it took a left turn into the viewpoint that there are no criminals - only victims ... it's just one endless cycle of victims grooming younger victims to become victims. Either you believe in free will or don't - and I respect people who don't - but if you believe in free will then you have to explain why only a very small minority of people end up in the Old Bailey on a murder rap - why not the boy next door or the brother who was faced with the same choices?
33:53 - "Very often, sending somebody to prison is a surefire way of making sure they continue to offend as you put them in a situation where they are mixing with, and only with, wrongdoers, people whose mindsets are of 'wrong-doing'." - so we have people who are victims - and wrongdoers .... really???
Knife crime?
Isnt it amazing how somebody can dance on the head of a pin to avoid saying the word black.
Such a very important dialogue. I truly believe that we need more than prison to help victims and society. The wrong doers need punishment, but also have way to change and redeem themselves.
Im glad that she mentions a mum at wits end... some working 2 or 3 jobs all hours so not able to be there. High rent standing chages energy bills etc
A lot of what she said goes against previous guest Theodore Dalrinpole who worked in prisons. Poverty isn't the cause of crime as most poor people aren't criminals. It's a series of bad choices. One aspect that is overlooked is that prisoners were found to be deficient in vital vitamin and minerals. One prison saw a reduction in bad behaviour once they administered omega 3s. This may play a part in some cases.
Yes. I can believe that. It's always more than bad choices.
That's a valid point. Also the fact that brain chemistry changes in late adolescence must also have be a factor in some degree. Also like you said the impact of poor diet and especially if they've been on a poor diet since birth.
"you're not you when you're hungry" as a black man stabs his gf to death.
The goal is protecting the public, first and foremost. Longer sentences means the public is protected for a longer period of time.
The primary point of the criminal justice system is for the protection of the public. Everytime we get further from that principle we make things worse.
She has such a lovely voice. Great AMSR for my hangover this morning. And she's so deliberate and thoughtful.
Reminds me of the old attorneys' joke - "What do you call a lawyer with an IQ of 85? Answer - "Your Honor.""
Really enjoyed this one guy's. Great guest variety 😀💯
Criminals are harmed by punishment, yes. That's why it's a punishment. Although I doubt she means to, she's making a good case for the death penalty - which I don't even support.
England used to have a man who handled the problem of murdering thugs. His name was Albert Pierpoint, and he was very effective. I think this nice lady would prefer more social workers.
I feel she is part of the problem. It's too deep to put into a comment section but people make bad choices coupled with lack of personal responsibility and for the sake of justice for victims, protection of society and social cohesion then offenders must be put away for long periods. At the same time we must stop demonising all men as toxic etc and raise children with far better examples so they grow up to be responsible with a positive attitude which make path of crime less likely. There are of course many other reasons and solutions but reversing the degradation over the years won't be easy.
Justice is by definition the primary social contract of civilization, has always been that the state will take revenge on behalf of citizens. Rehabilitation is a worthy ambition, but if you discard Justice, the social contract is broken. If the state reneges on it's commitment, you've got to expect that people will revert to taking revenge themselves.
Yes, I got that feeling listening too. She also seems very quite to say "society has failed" these people, but not "the parents have failed".
god it is refreshing to listen to an educated woman discuss how she sees things. well said well spoke well done. thank you
Wow, I could listen to her for hours. A really great interview guys. She's such a charismatic and respectable person.
She's a duplicitous spiritual mytocarditis bleeding heart freak who _absolutely_ should not hold a judgeship. God I hope you were being ironic. It's people like this PETRIFIED of telling the damn TRUTH that are killing Britain by the day. They can't even admit why the NHS & roads & housing are slammed to the brink of DEATH. My god I hope you were being iroic.
Say this out loud right now. Say it loud: "NHS underfunding, housing prices, and general infrastructure & moral decay are caused by unrestricted immigration."
Just say it. Say it now. You know it's the truth or you are a fool. Only 2 options. Go overlay housing costs & NHS spending on immigration graphs. It's the same picture.
Beautiful interview.
I love how measured she is, and how clear and articulate she is.
It's doing my head in. I'm having to listen at 1.5x speed to get past her breathy audiobook delivery.
@damarcuscolfer1485 I hear you, but I feel that's the price I have to pay, being patient, learning to listen, in order to expand my mind and better myself. Remember, this is thought provoking content that's is free. And
TANSTAAFL!
It's a delight to listen to her.
Someone with a spark of humanity.
Interesting chat. Thanks for your time and thoughts. 🖖
Im looking forward to this. My faith in jidges is at an all time low and I hope the boys ask some hard questions. Good for her for coming on though.
Ah. She's retired. Thought it was surprising that a sitting judge would speak. Either way it'll be good to have some insight.
Paid for, paid in full, and fattened up. Very trustworthy insight into why everything is so much horrible! Did you learn a lot from frauds? 😂🎉
You shouldnt blame the judges, its the law they interpret thats the issue!!
@@mattieboy7777It's judges interpretation of law that set the precedent in law.
Absolutely terrible judge. Can’t think honestly, can’t speak openly and has incredibly irrational opinions on law, crime and punishment. Typical bleeding heart who cares about criminals but not victims. This is the face of why crime has exploded out of control. Not poverty, not “marginalization” nothing but a half assed legal system that refuses to smash the criminal.