Chris Ryan "The way we Americans see music now is shameful." It's always been shameful, Freak Out! (and Frank Zappa in general) was a bigger hit in Europe than it ever was in the U.S.
I’m 23 and discovered Frank Zappa last year and I’m happy it was sooner than later! What a musical genius in every way!! Wish he was still around today! I saw Dweezil play live a month ago and he was just fantastic! Zappa taught him well!
@@seangelarden8753 is this true? Holy fuck that is hilarious, I love Belew's work with the Talking Heads and Bowie but Zappa is in my honest opinion the greatest composer of the last century.
As a heterosexual man, if Frank Zappa wanted to molest me, I'd see where it went. I might not be totally into it, but It would at least be interesting. In all seriousness, Zappa was amazing. Neil Young agrees, and basically he is a kind of half god as well.
"I'm a little dyslexic and um, earlier I freed my ass and I'm hoping that my mind will follow" Great googly moogly! How can she seem sad and still be so funny. And she managed to drop a Funkadelic ref too!?!
I saw Frank Zappa perform three times. Everytime I find another Zappa vid, I feel incredibly lucky that I had those experiences, and very sad that he's not around. He said in one of his last interviews that he didn't care if he was remembered. Well, he will be, and for a long time to come.
Frank Zappa had really the best musician or players of the whole world who plays for his music! And what a music! Today no one can compose Zappa music, it is so ahead for his time that neither the best jazz musicians has reached until today. And there is no one today in sinfonic classical music that can compose what Zappa used to compose... It is like when you hear Steve Vai, you can apreciate his playing, you can say he is good or not but the harmonies that Vai shows, are some harmonies that Joe Satriani has not even the capability to immagine, and I think no one else in the world, just Steve Vai because Steva Vai learned from Zappa directly!
I don’t really see many Andy Kaufman traits in Zappa. In the sense that his show was a kind of sort of variety oriented? But while he did some dada kind of stuff, he was hardly ever pulling one over on the audience. He was pretty straight forward, Andy was anything but. You never knew when Andy was being serious or not. Frank was way more up front about who he was and what he was about
@@erics9754 Yep. Lou Reed didn’t know Zappa personally and also I seem to recall that Reed had slagged Zappa off in the music press on a couple of occasions previously and had described Zappa as an “untalented musician” and “a loser”. Strange choice for him to then do the induction speech.
@@paddyotoole2058 I’m pretty sure Zappa also took a shot at the Velvets on the original release of either Lumpy Gravy or Were Only In It for the Money. I don’t think any of them admired each other lol I could be wrong though. Zappa made up with a bunch of people as he got sick so you never know
@@paddyotoole2058 One of Zappa’s kids said so as well, I’m thinking it was Dweezil. Someone from the rock and roll hall of fame suggested Lou Reed and they objected because Zappa and Reed didn’t even like each other. The Zappa family suggested other people for the speech but the rock and roll hall of fame went ahead with Lou Reed anyway. Kinda shitty.
Zappa will always be one of my greatest inspirations, he was an awesome satirist, musican, guitarrist and and incredible composer. I think of him of one of the most innovative artists there have ever been and also one of the most genuine and sincere. I will always be grateful to him for his music. Also, who could be better to introduce him than Lou Reed? Another genius.
I know ZAPPA taught me things at an early age...I found a box of lps in the trash when I was 8 or 9 (1973-74) This box was loaded with ZAPPA, BEEFHEART, JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, Herbie Hancock , PFUNK I HAD BEEN BLESSED AS A CHILD
I‘m 58 y. now, listening to Franks music since i was 11 y. Have seen him several times live on stage. My first LP was live in NY. Happy our lifetimes crossed! He was brillant! Thank you for the music!
3:32 - NEIL!!! First one up on his feet. They likely waited until he passed, to induct him, as to avoid a razor-sharp critique of the entire "venture." It would have been epic. Even better than John Lydon calling it a "piss stain"
***** Well that stinks. :( That's what I get for living under a rock with the bimbo I was living with back then. No clue what was going on in the world then... too wrapped up in a nitwit.
I was a fan of Frank in 1972, about the time Hot Rats came out. and saw Frank and the M.O.I. in 73' when Ruth Underwood played the xylophone the the band. As had been said may times, his music was sometimes difficult to categorize. I'm 63 now and still love to listen to and appreciate his wonderful indivual and refeshing style.
I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING THESE FOLKS DID. SAVED MY LIFE. I HAD A SINGLE MOM AND LITTLE BROTHER. NOW MY LITTLE BROTHER AND I ARE SEASONED ROCKERS. THANK YOU FRANK.
FrankZappa will be remembered forever.I thought Frank Zappa's last interview was sad,but when i watched the clip of Frank saying he didn't care if he was rememberd,that really got to me.Frank will always be remembered by his fans worldwide.He left us a wealth of his music,movies,books and most of all his concerts and memories.Frank Zappa left us too soon. r.i.p.F.Z.
For those of you in these comments thread that state he couldn't make good music, or was moronic, crazy, etc...I give you my semi-brief synopsis of the man, Frank, whom I had the great pleasure to attend 37 shows (every show from 80-88 I sat in the front row) & to meet Frank on a few occasions... Comments regarding poor music, lyrics, or disparaging comments about Frank's character contain no merit, are uneducated, ill-informed and are strictly conjecture on your part. He was a musician, songwriter, composer, conductor, and record producer and played numerous instruments including guitars, bass, keyboards, drums, percussion, and was world renown with the synclavier. He was a virtuoso in rock, jazz, classical, and avant-garde music.His compositions & symphonies were performed by th London Symphony Orchestra, the Berkeley Symphony Orchestra. the Philadelphia Philharmonic Orchestra, and he was often asked to write classical music for orchestras throughout the world. He also remains a major influence on musicians and composers world-wide including Alice Cooper, Primus, the Tubes, moe., Trey Anastasio of Phish. Paul McCartney, Black Sabbath, and System of a Down. Composer Tomas Ulrich of The Meridian Arts Ensemble, the Ensemble Ambrosius and the Fireworks Ensemble regularly perform Zappa's compositions and quote his influence. Contemporary jazz musicians and composers Bill Frisell and John Zorn are inspired by Zappa, as is funk legend George Clinton and jazz pianist George Winston. Ian Underwood, Sal Marquez, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Chester Thompson, Jean-Luc Ponty, and George Duke all go their start with Zappa and went on to be successful performaers in their own right. He was invited to be the keynote speaker at the American Society of University Composers at the Ohio State University & his work was performed by the Columbus Symphony and ProMusica Chamber Orchestra of Columbus. At the request of Czechoslovakian President Václav Havel, he was asked to serve as consultant for the government on trade, cultural matters and tourism. Rolling Stone journalist Barry Miles wrote, "Frank Zappa dabbled in virtually all kinds of music-and, whether guised as a satirical rocker, jazz-rock fusionist, guitar virtuoso, electronics wizard, or orchestral innovator, his eccentric genius was undeniable." Finally, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inducted Frank with this statement, "Frank Zappa was rock and roll's sharpest musical mind and most astute social critic. He was the most prolific composer of his age, and he bridged genres-rock, jazz, classical, avant-garde and even novelty music-with masterful ease"
I would not waste your time intelligence and thoughtfulness on the dimwitted brainwashed sheeple in this comment section as the people who appreciated Franks work are lucky to be above average in all these attributes.
Which raises the question: What is 'good' music? Most music panders to the lowest common denominator. Frank's music required you to use your brain, most people want to shut their brains OFF when listening to music.
He said it. "Other then the Norm" So much genius pouring out. FZ is and will always be remembered among the most incredible musicians ever. He is probably playing for aliens somewhere now. God Bless him, his family and fans.
Some background on the Lou Reed / Frank Zappa relationship: The Velvets and the Mothers (Frank's band in the 60's) both played several "Dates" together in California in 1966/67. The two bands had clashes over typical East Coast / West Coast rivalry at the time, as well as Sterling Morrison/Reed's claim that Zappa would trash-talk the Velvets before they ever went on stage. This is fact, not opinion. Zappa's manager at the time also made sure that Freak Out was released BEFORE the Banana Album (on Verve), whereas Warhol wasnt' in any position to convince Verve to do anything on the Velvets' behalf. Lou Reed subsequently trash-talked Zappa several times in the 60's, early 70's when he had a big drug/alcohol issue, however, it was also known that Reed admired Zappa as a guitar player, and Zappa had once commented to Reed in an NYC recording studio in the late 60's. "I'm surprised how much I like the Velvet's debut album", so Reed was aware there was a mutual respect here. If people from both Zappa's fan camp, as well as Reed's fan camp were to shut up and listen to what Reed is saying here, not only is he burying the hatchet, but he's saying Zappa was basically a musical genius in his own right, and that the Hall of Fame is lucky to have him. Hope this history helps out some of the challenged people in this comment thread.
Burying the hatchet eh! What fucking arrogance! Reed was a charlatan. An honest man would have seen the hypocrisy. I like the first Velvets album but that doesn't mean I have 'musical respect' for it, does it?
@@andythomas706 nobody said Reed was a modest guy, but depending on how much homework you've done, neither was Zappa. Both had pretty big creative-sized-egos.
@@victorlabouche6471 The difference is the musical creativity of Zappa dwarfed that of Reed. Let's not forget we're taking about music here. The difference is in the legacy and the fact that Zappa was a real musician. Reed wasn't. So let's look at what they both had to SAY shall we. Again there is no comparison!
@@andythomas706 I think Zappa was a better 'musician', but in terms of actual musical/lyrical influence? Reed has Zappa beat by a landslide. The Velvets were the most influential bands in history, I also think you're under-rating Reed's guitar playing. The guitar work on "Foggy Notion" (between him and Sterling Morrison) speaks for itself. Not to mention listen to the guitar work on '1969 live', Reed was in a 'group' so it was a collaborative effort but I think you're under-rating Reeds' guitarplaying. He might not have been as virtuoso as Zappa but he was could hold his own.
@@victorlabouche6471 terrific point. Not to mention that Reed was also a stellar, poetic lyricist. It's also very important to keep in mind that Zappa and Reed inhabited two very different sides of the large umbrella that is the rock genre.
90% of people have NO clue what Zappa was all about. He was a composer, first and foremost. Some times conforming to popular trends, often times not. Either way, he created a greater volume and array of music of greater value than most. There was only one Zappa. RIP brother.
Frank's talent was a force that overpowered anyone's hatred of him.. do you see all of those absolutey legendary guitarists in the crowd.. Frank was better than any of them.. and they know it. .
6:34, nice shout out to George Clinton. I heard Overnight Sensation when I was 11 years old in 1974, it profoundly changed my life and how I viewed music. Had the pleasure of seeing him perform 4 times, he was absolute genius.
In may way, to see what Frank and Lou has done in their life as artists ,it seens impossible to compare what they have done.Their where booth outstanding in what they doing .They had an organillity that just have to be remeberd as real art.I miss them .
Frank Zappa will go down (as if he hasn't) as one of the greatest musician mother earth ever created. Thank you Gale Zappa for taking care of the Frank Zappa legacy. Love & Miss your being here on earth and the wonderful music & commentary you made. Load up the turntable with some Zappa tonight it'll make your day. Sorry to say that the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is still a little behind the times.
Master musician! So happy to have had the privilege of coming to this earth in 1965 and to be part of this man's music throughout the years. Hail to the King!
In the next 30 to 40 years, there will be a Frank Zappa Renaissance. People will be saying to themselves holy shit why didn't I listen to this stuff back then. I'm going to use the word... Frank Zappa was a genius. Why... because he listened to his heart. And his heart was one groovy damn thing baby. I'm still discovering him.
@@ThisIsReadyMade It seems they really did in the Sixties when VU and the Mothers were sharing concert bills AND a record label lol but I think after loss of ego decades later they had a begrudging respect for both not selling out, being legitimate artists, and making music that stands the test of time and was unlike any of the bands in the 60s-early 70s.
When someone says could care less it is an implication of a figure of speech such as "I could care less about a rats ass". Both ways are correct. One is literal, one is figurative.
What he cared about, right from the start, was exploring the sound and imaginal territory indicated by Varese and Webern and Stravinsky and connecting and playing with the most interesting musicians he could find. He did all that and that was his Hall of Fame.
You're joking, right? Lou was the LAST person they wanted! They refused the family's suggestions and instead picked Lou, who had publicly dissed Zappa. Dweezil has been very public about that.
Wow. Completely different from what he said when I heard him. This probably three years ago(?). He told the story on the video about the Burt Reynolds head shot the same way, though. Thanks for posting that link.
Moon's monologue demonstrated her pops sense of humor. The dyslexic george clinton reference was a great start to a very graceful and hilarious minute and 1/2 slam of r n r hall of fame....so Frank
There's a time and a place for that, like when they are honoring YOU, not your deceased father. She should have shown class in the face of others not showing it. Instead, she lowered herself to their level. Who can blame her, though? Her dad was a womanizing adulterer her entire life. As a woman, she must have thought he was a cad.
Nah. Frank Zappa's induction into the Hall only makes the Hall look good. Frank Zappa was already the top it just took awhile for the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" to catch up.
Antonio Ferraina I don’t know if it is. Sadly, not many people know who Zappa is. It pleases a certain amount of people, the true music fans. Sadly though, I don’t think Zappa would have got in if it was 2019... not because of the politics of things now, but because of the fact the Rock Hall is incredibly biased. There’s two metal artists in the hall, 5 prog bands/artists, one or two country artists...
@@ThisIsReadyMade theres so many old acts that still need the praise they deserve so i understand they dont include much of late rock subgenres like metal or niche subgenres like prog
Since some people don't seem to get what she's saying, here's a rough paraphrase of her speech as I understood it: "[Because I was raised right, I'll be publicly gracious to this douchebag who was publicly rude to my father.] Man, that song was stupid. Everybody connected with this institution, waiters on up, has treated us like shit. My father hated bullshit promises, and he would have thought you were all a bunch of fools. His fans loved him and are probably getting a charge out of this anyway (so thanks, fans). Music is a language, and, unlike the Slavs who were inspired by my father's music to fight for freedom, you're a bunch of grunting cavemen. My dad enjoyed making fun of vacuous spectacles, and this night would have provided him with fuel for at least two operas and a ballet. Music is the best."
jackal59 trust me, in their prime, they were BOTH rude to each other... you have NO IDEA what was going through her mind, though she looks pretty relaxed & sincere...Moon has never seen like a bitter angry person to me... & by the way, they were both great artists. Music is the best......hacks spewing arbitrary shit- not so much
Reed couldn't play, was a hack country singer, and wrote 2 tunes of any note.......great artists my arse...he's up there with Brian Hyland & Plastic Bertrand...ha ha ha hah
LOL if Frank Zappa was actually your dad then he would be sick to his stomach listening to his son making a spectacle on youtube. Also Lou Reed was a fucking genius whether it was his solo stuff or with the Velvet Underground. While everyone was doing psychedelic, hippy dippy, peace love music the Velvets were doing literally the exact opposite of that, mixing literature, art, rock n roll, avante garde sensibility and the dark reality of the streets of New York City.
@@acohen1980 I think he was quite talented, he got better as he went along. New sensations and New York weren't good they were great."Mommas got a lover" from Mistrial is classic stuff imo.
Frank Zappa (born in year of the Dragon), was a fearless innovator! He changed the whole game. He wasn't afraid to say," F-you conformists....experiment....take a chance!" Rumor has it that Zappa (by accident) invented the FLANGER by pressing against the tape spool (flange) while mixing a song. And like most Dragons he was very intelligent,had an eye for talent and recklessly (almost) honest. Big Ups Frank!
I was lucky enough to see Zappa and the Mothers at an early age of 15y.o., at the Fillmore East in NYC (on Mothers Day, no less.) His genius was an inspiration. The greatest flattery I ever received was Billboard Magazine stating “and a few Frank Zappa-inspired surprises thrown in,” when it reviewed my first album in 1980. I even keep an armadillo on my mixing board, in homage to his memory.
Moon Zappa is beautiful! I read a long time ago, yes I am old, but not that old, Lou Reed had a disliking for Frank Zappa. Then again Lou Reed and many musicians are like the seasons, sometimes they are cold other times they are warm. Perhaps that is the mental landscape of creative types.
Fucking awesome that Mr. Young was the first (that we see) person on his feet at the end of the video. And Mr. Reed as the presenter was absolutely spot-on, another guy who sometimes got ahead of (some of) his audience. God, Frank was a great dad, other than picking baby names. He let us know our minds could get as big as his, without making us feel smaller.
There seems to be a misconception among some Zappa fans in the comments section here that being a virtuoso is a must in order to put out good music, and therefore bash lou. Don't get me wrong, I think Zappa was greatly helped by his amazing technical talent, and it allowed him to keep up with his endlessly imaginative mind, but a there's something to be said for a nice simpler tune that generates something in the listener. I'm a fan of both. Anyways, to each his own. Don't turn this into the stereotypical unnecessarily aggressive youtube debate, please.
Thank you so much! This desperately needed to be said. I also would like to add that the vast majority of Lou Reed's music isn't even simple. He has lots of complex music, lots of it. And his lyricism is magnificent. And just because something is technically not that difficult to play does not mean there wasn't a lot of talent and vision involved in creating the unique sound.
Lou was a great artist -- _New York_ is a great album, with virtuosic lyrics -- and the RRHOF disrespecting Frank and Gail, which they sure did, has zero to do with whether Lou was a great artist.
What makes this bad is not some ancient petty feud they had back in the '60's. If anything, I think it's poingnant that Lou put aside old grievances to honor Zappa. I can see why he and the HoF thought it might be a nice gesture, and I give him a little credit for doing so. I guess the idea was to have a counter-cultural icon (Reed) try to explain a more obscure figure (Zappa) to the wider mass market audience. But it failed because it's clear that Lou Reed still never understood Zappa and his fans. All that he said about Zappa focused on attitude and hipness and politics. Certainly most of it was true. But before all the message and philosophy crap, Zappa was first and foremost a music nerd. The complexity of the music and the skillfulness of the playing were paramount for both Frank and the many musicians he played with over the years. It is also the main focal point for his fans. Lou Reed was the polar opposite. He only sees this as an issue of Frank's hipness and cultural cache. Not a word about musicianship and composition, etc. That's really what should piss off the Zappa fans, not some old forgotten rivalry. One suspects that the reason he doesn't talk about the role of musical complexity and theory in Zappa's music is that he was woefully underqualified and insecure about his own corresponding lack of knowledge and ability.
You are way undervaluing Lou Reed's talent, knowledge, and musicality... BIGTIME. He made music with really special atmospheres and his lyrics made personas jump out of their imaginary skin. It's all good and dandy if you don't personally like his music, but if you can't even acknowledge the talent and originality of Lou Reed's approach to music then I suspect you have yet to truly give him a fair shot. Though I do agree he should've said more about the musicality of it. But then again, if Lou Reed went up to give a speech about Franz Liszt I'd say there's probably a 75 percent chance he makes no mention of technicality, so I wouldn't take it personally towards Zappa.
+Joe Moe -- Let's face it, very few rock & rollers cite Edgar Varese as a major influence. It's just a shame Frank didn't have more exposure to Persian, Turkish, and Arabic music. Frank Zappa once spent $250,000 to have a classical orchestra play some of his music. There's a bit of a gulf between that and "Sweet Jane" or "Heroin".My guess is that corporate management couldn't understand either Frank or Lou, so they had Lou do the honors.
+Joe Moe Zappa was as much a counter culture icon as Reed was. Don't be silly. Zappa left a substantial musical legacy! He will be remembered as a substantial figure in 20th Century American Music. Lou won't!
Lou's strengths were as a lyricist and songwriter, but he could not play lead guitar. Frank was a brilliant composer and guitar player, as well as satirist. Both were incredibly influential counter-cultural avant-gardists, but in different ways.
Frank should have gotten the award way before 1995 in my personal opinion. Remember, Frank did his music his way. He did not like commercial radio at all. He even said it himself in one of his interviews. Everyone wants to be famous and leave a name behind but, Frank just did it his way. Some artist don't get recognized until they have passed on. It's kinda sad.
+Larry Long Its not sad at all that 'some artists don't get recognized until after they die'! What's sad is that this pathetic pompous load of guff (R&RHOF) is a completely worthless exercise from start to finish.
+Larry Long Frank was recognised by his peers while he was alive. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is nothing more than the industry bigging itself up. Who cares what they think? Its a pointless exercise from start to finish. If the Zappa Family Trust hadn't become just a means of marketing Franks legacy, they wouldn't even be there.
+Larry Long I don't think what you said was worthless by the way. I meant that the whole Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame schtik is worthless! Its a marketing device. Nothing more nothing less! To quote Ray Collins on We're Only In It For The Money....I'm proud to be a part of this gigantic mass deception!
Thank you. I am glad you see the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame schtik being worthless alright. And yes. Ray Collins made a great statement there. We see eye to eye. Thanks.
It is easy, instead of bored Lou Reed, narrator (with Central Scrutinizer' voice) should whisper into audience: "I bring you now a special presentation to show what can happen to you if you choose a career in MUSIC..."
It's from Dec 11, 1976 on Saturday Night Live. No official versions are online that I know of, but if you google it you will find some bootleg copies on sites which aren't RUclips.
I'm aware of the supposed enmity between Zappa and Reed in the 60s but know nothing at all about the situation surrounding Reed inducting Zappa into the hall of fame. From what I know of Reed, however, it seems unlikely to me he would have agreed to do this - and, in so agreeing, use the language he did, - unless he meant it. Reed doesn't have a reputation of pulling punches after all. I think he would have refused to carry out this task unless he believed what he was saying here. People change and people grow up. I certainly wouldn't like for people to expect me to hold exactly the same opinions (or exactly the same grudges) I had in my 20s. Who knows if Zappa and Reed hadn't patched things up years before? Of course, as I stated, I am ignorant as to the ins and outs of Zappa being inducted here and so there could be more that went on than I am aware of. However, if people are just assuming here that nothing had changed vis a vis Zappa and Reed's opinions of each other since the 60s and therefore making judgements as to the cynicism inherent to Reed's agreeing to make this award based on nothing more than this, then I think we're on shaky ground.
“Rock journalism is people who can’t write interviewing people who can’t talk for people who can’t read.” Frank Zappa.
Good english...
Zappa is always right. His words won't fade.
Lou would have agreed wholeheartedly
@@ancyber6876 put a colon after the first 3 words and it makes sense.
I think i had a stroke reading that so Frank must've said it
Frank Zappa gets in 2 yrs after his death. LL Cool J gets in while he's alive. King Crimson still isn't in. This place is a fucking joke.
I know. The way we Americans see music now is shameful. All you have to do is watch the Grammy's every year and see what we worship.
Chris Ryan Daft Punk isn't that bad and Lorde's great... for a pop star.
Chris Ryan "The way we Americans see music now is shameful." It's always been shameful, Freak Out! (and Frank Zappa in general) was a bigger hit in Europe than it ever was in the U.S.
seamac206 isn't that bad?! I'm sorry, that's not the way I like to describe the music I'm into
Chris Ryan I meant to say Daft Punk was great and Lorde isn't that bad
Frank Zappa was one of a kind. There will never be another like him. RIP Frank Zappa, We will miss you greatly
There will never be another...anyone. Thats how these things work...
Hail to a musical genius. Many people didn't get him but he was awesome!!!
There’s nothing TO GET. That’s just it. He based his career off of people pretending to get the NON gettable and .... it worked.
@@JAMESGANG-f5u But that what made him a genious. Knew people who worked with him and was as serious as a a heart attack and a musician.
I’m 23 and discovered Frank Zappa last year and I’m happy it was sooner than later! What a musical genius in every way!! Wish he was still around today! I saw Dweezil play live a month ago and he was just fantastic! Zappa taught him well!
He used to make Adrian Belew wear a dress on stage because he couldn't read music
@@seangelarden8753 is this true? Holy fuck that is hilarious, I love Belew's work with the Talking Heads and Bowie but Zappa is in my honest opinion the greatest composer of the last century.
Rare for a person your age.
Welcome to the Club!
I discovered him at your age, I’m 27 now and listen to his music almost every day still haha. It just doesn’t get old, he has so much quality content
I will always remember Frank. He touched my life in a way no other artist has even come close. He was brilliant.
As a heterosexual man, if Frank Zappa wanted to molest me, I'd see where it went. I might not be totally into it, but It would at least be interesting.
In all seriousness, Zappa was amazing. Neil Young agrees, and basically he is a kind of half god as well.
***** that's funny.
Keep it greasy so it go down easy!
He touched your wife? Oh life...life sorry.
Stewart Gartland i agree. And ian underwood was the reason i studied classical piano and mozart!
Neil Young with the standing ovation. nice.
They had a lot in common.
he told me his arse was numb and it was a good opportunity to stand up
lol
@@erics9754 Neil Young is to Frank Zappa, what Gene Simons is to Charles Mingus; tons in common, like both of them having ears, eyes, a nose, etc.
@@acohen1980 at least he had a good reason for his ass being numb!
"I'm a little dyslexic and um, earlier I freed my ass and I'm hoping that my mind will follow" Great googly moogly! How can she seem sad and still be so funny. And she managed to drop a Funkadelic ref too!?!
Zappa, pure genius, way ahead of his time, may be appreciated 100 years from now. Created a vast library of music and more.
The first person to stand up: Neil Young. Zappa left us at age 53...we need him so much now.
+Franz Kafka check out the cardiacs,the english fz
+ray wilson Don't tell me. You're a member of The Cardiacs right?
+Andy Thomas i wish ,can not play a note
No, Ray Wilson was a member of Genesis. Gotta be the same guy! Hi Ray!
I see you everywhere
I saw Frank Zappa perform three times. Everytime I find another Zappa vid, I feel incredibly lucky that I had those experiences, and very sad that he's not around. He said in one of his last interviews that he didn't care if he was remembered. Well, he will be, and for a long time to come.
Frank Zappa. Mentor and Guru.
Seen this many times and still I have tears.
Thanks Frank.
Frank Zappa had really the best musician or players of the whole world who plays for his music! And what a music! Today no one can compose Zappa music, it is so ahead for his time that neither the best jazz musicians has reached until today. And there is no one today in sinfonic classical music that can compose what Zappa used to compose... It is like when you hear Steve Vai, you can apreciate his playing, you can say he is good or not but the harmonies that Vai shows, are some harmonies that Joe Satriani has not even the capability to immagine, and I think no one else in the world, just Steve Vai because Steva Vai learned from Zappa directly!
Frank was a true visionary and an iconoclast. He's possibly the single most important solo cult artist of all time.
His smile when Steve Allen tells him "never do that here again"
I knew Lou Reed in the early days. He lived in my building. He was awesome! Worked at Max's for awhile and met all the great ones back then.
Frank Zappa was to music what Andy Kaufman was to comedy. Even if you think you know, you arent really 100% sure.
On some things, I think that applies to all of us even his fans, but when he played that guitar, I knew I was experiencing Beauty.
@MiamiBeach xxx
Being a prokaryote probably doesn’t help either
I don’t really see many Andy Kaufman traits in Zappa. In the sense that his show was a kind of sort of variety oriented? But while he did some dada kind of stuff, he was hardly ever pulling one over on the audience. He was pretty straight forward, Andy was anything but. You never knew when Andy was being serious or not. Frank was way more up front about who he was and what he was about
I think Kaufman was overrated, Zappa the opposite.
RIP Lou Reed. thank you for this great speech
I thought his speech was weak and did not capture the essence of Frank. Only his limited and shallow ideas of Frank.
@@erics9754 Yep. Lou Reed didn’t know Zappa personally and also I seem to recall that Reed had slagged Zappa off in the music press on a couple of occasions previously and had described Zappa as an “untalented musician” and “a loser”. Strange choice for him to then do the induction speech.
@@paddyotoole2058 I’m pretty sure Zappa also took a shot at the Velvets on the original release of either Lumpy Gravy or Were Only In It for the Money. I don’t think any of them admired each other lol I could be wrong though. Zappa made up with a bunch of people as he got sick so you never know
@@paddyotoole2058 One of Zappa’s kids said so as well, I’m thinking it was Dweezil. Someone from the rock and roll hall of fame suggested Lou Reed and they objected because Zappa and Reed didn’t even like each other. The Zappa family suggested other people for the speech but the rock and roll hall of fame went ahead with Lou Reed anyway. Kinda shitty.
Seeing his '93 Today Show interview nearly brought me to tears. A man so brilliant, yet so humble, was lost far too soon.
There is only one problem Frank! You ARE Remembered!!!...God Bless Zappa!...
Well said and amen!
I love and miss both Frank AND Lou. This is beautiful and true.
'You KNOW our Lives were Saved by Rock n Roll'
Thank god someone values genius
Zappa will always be one of my greatest inspirations, he was an awesome satirist, musican, guitarrist and and incredible composer. I think of him of one of the most innovative artists there have ever been and also one of the most genuine and sincere. I will always be grateful to him for his music. Also, who could be better to introduce him than Lou Reed? Another genius.
Saw him many times and his live performances were beyond compare
I know ZAPPA taught me things at an early age...I found a box of lps in the trash when I was 8 or 9 (1973-74) This box was loaded with ZAPPA, BEEFHEART, JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, Herbie Hancock , PFUNK I HAD BEEN BLESSED AS A CHILD
Somebody's mom got mad 🤭 my best friend back then introduced me to all these artists; he was always so excited when a new LP came out 🙂
"it is not important to be remembered". Well, to me it is important to remember Franks Music every day, and to learn from it. Genius, pure genius!
I‘m 58 y. now, listening to Franks music since i was 11 y. Have seen him several times live on stage. My first LP was live in NY. Happy our lifetimes crossed! He was brillant! Thank you for the music!
3:32 - NEIL!!! First one up on his feet.
They likely waited until he passed, to induct him, as to avoid a razor-sharp critique of the entire "venture."
It would have been epic. Even better than John Lydon calling it a "piss stain"
Frank Zappa was a genius So loved, so missed
One of the few true geniuses of modern music.
I miss Lou Reed and Frank
Why did you actually know them?
DAVID MATHEWS/The Minerals you can miss someone even if you don’t know them. If the music touched you that much.
neil young standing up at the start o the applause haha awesome sideburns
Wish Vedder would've done the same. Too much punk rock and not enough Zappa I guess.
I thought that was Neil young
FZ, Groucho Marx, Alice Cooper and Mad Magazine were my childhood
Old farts rule
Well, if nothing else, that was one diverse childhood.
John Cale should have done the induction.Or Captain Beefheart.
Don isn't in very good health these days though, is he?
***** Well that stinks. :( That's what I get for living under a rock with the bimbo I was living with back then. No clue what was going on in the world then... too wrapped up in a nitwit.
Beefheart was extremely ill at this point
I don't see what's so wrong with Reed doing it. I think it's good Lou showed respect to someone who didn't respect him too much.
Cale has nothing good to say about Frank believe me.
Nice, touching tribute to a genius. "must be just what they all need..."
I was a fan of Frank in 1972, about the time Hot Rats came out. and saw Frank and the M.O.I. in 73' when Ruth Underwood played the xylophone the the band. As had been said may times, his music was sometimes difficult to categorize.
I'm 63 now and still love to listen to and appreciate his wonderful indivual and refeshing style.
Hot rats was 69 not 72
I LISTENED TO EVERYTHING THESE FOLKS DID. SAVED MY LIFE. I HAD A SINGLE MOM AND LITTLE BROTHER. NOW MY LITTLE BROTHER AND I ARE SEASONED ROCKERS. THANK YOU FRANK.
FrankZappa will be remembered forever.I thought Frank Zappa's last interview was sad,but when i watched the clip of Frank saying he didn't care if he was rememberd,that really got to me.Frank will always be remembered by his fans worldwide.He left us a wealth of his music,movies,books and most of all his concerts and memories.Frank Zappa left us too soon. r.i.p.F.Z.
For those of you in these comments thread that state he couldn't make good music, or was moronic, crazy, etc...I give you my semi-brief synopsis of the man, Frank, whom I had the great pleasure to attend 37 shows (every show from 80-88 I sat in the front row) & to meet Frank on a few occasions...
Comments regarding poor music, lyrics, or disparaging comments about Frank's character contain no merit, are uneducated, ill-informed and are strictly conjecture on your part.
He was a musician, songwriter, composer, conductor, and record producer and played numerous instruments including guitars, bass, keyboards, drums, percussion, and was world renown with the synclavier. He was a virtuoso in rock, jazz, classical, and avant-garde music.His compositions & symphonies were performed by th London Symphony Orchestra, the Berkeley Symphony Orchestra. the Philadelphia Philharmonic Orchestra, and he was often asked to write classical music for orchestras throughout the world. He also remains a major influence on musicians and composers world-wide including Alice Cooper, Primus, the Tubes, moe., Trey Anastasio of Phish. Paul McCartney, Black Sabbath, and System of a Down. Composer Tomas Ulrich of The Meridian Arts Ensemble, the Ensemble Ambrosius and the Fireworks Ensemble regularly perform Zappa's compositions and quote his influence. Contemporary jazz musicians and composers Bill Frisell and John Zorn are inspired by Zappa, as is funk legend George Clinton and jazz pianist George Winston. Ian Underwood, Sal Marquez, Napoleon Murphy Brock, Chester Thompson, Jean-Luc Ponty, and George Duke all go their start with Zappa and went on to be successful performaers in their own right.
He was invited to be the keynote speaker at the American Society of University Composers at the Ohio State University & his work was performed by the Columbus Symphony and ProMusica Chamber Orchestra of Columbus. At the request of Czechoslovakian President Václav Havel, he was asked to serve as consultant for the government on trade, cultural matters and tourism. Rolling Stone journalist Barry Miles wrote, "Frank Zappa dabbled in virtually all kinds of music-and, whether guised as a satirical rocker, jazz-rock fusionist, guitar virtuoso, electronics wizard, or orchestral innovator, his eccentric genius was undeniable." Finally, the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inducted Frank with this statement, "Frank Zappa was rock and roll's sharpest musical mind and most astute social critic. He was the most prolific composer of his age, and he bridged genres-rock, jazz, classical, avant-garde and even novelty music-with masterful ease"
Those symphonic orchestras will play any rubbish as long as they get paid. They are hired guns
I would not waste your time intelligence and thoughtfulness on the dimwitted brainwashed sheeple in this comment section as the people who appreciated Franks work are lucky to be above average in all these attributes.
Eric s atleast they think they are, in reality they are probably even more stupid than the average person
scottsbooks right on you tell them the truth..i always got to see Zappa around Halloween I went whenever he toured..frank Zappa was a musical genius
Which raises the question: What is 'good' music? Most music panders to the lowest common denominator. Frank's music required you to use your brain, most people want to shut their brains OFF when listening to music.
He said it. "Other then the Norm" So much genius pouring out. FZ is and will always be remembered among the most incredible musicians ever. He is probably playing for aliens somewhere now. God Bless him, his family and fans.
he was an atheist
My favorite band when I was a kid in the Sixties was the Mothers of Invention. He means so much to me.
Some background on the Lou Reed / Frank Zappa relationship: The Velvets and the Mothers (Frank's band in the 60's) both played several "Dates" together in California in 1966/67. The two bands had clashes over typical East Coast / West Coast rivalry at the time, as well as Sterling Morrison/Reed's claim that Zappa would trash-talk the Velvets before they ever went on stage. This is fact, not opinion. Zappa's manager at the time also made sure that Freak Out was released BEFORE the Banana Album (on Verve), whereas Warhol wasnt' in any position to convince Verve to do anything on the Velvets' behalf. Lou Reed subsequently trash-talked Zappa several times in the 60's, early 70's when he had a big drug/alcohol issue, however, it was also known that Reed admired Zappa as a guitar player, and Zappa had once commented to Reed in an NYC recording studio in the late 60's. "I'm surprised how much I like the Velvet's debut album", so Reed was aware there was a mutual respect here. If people from both Zappa's fan camp, as well as Reed's fan camp were to shut up and listen to what Reed is saying here, not only is he burying the hatchet, but he's saying Zappa was basically a musical genius in his own right, and that the Hall of Fame is lucky to have him. Hope this history helps out some of the challenged people in this comment thread.
Burying the hatchet eh! What fucking arrogance! Reed was a charlatan. An honest man would have seen the hypocrisy. I like the first Velvets album but that doesn't mean I have 'musical respect' for it, does it?
@@andythomas706 nobody said Reed was a modest guy, but depending on how much homework you've done, neither was Zappa. Both had pretty big creative-sized-egos.
@@victorlabouche6471 The difference is the musical creativity of Zappa dwarfed that of Reed. Let's not forget we're taking about music here. The difference is in the legacy and the fact that Zappa was a real musician. Reed wasn't. So let's look at what they both had to SAY shall we. Again there is no comparison!
@@andythomas706 I think Zappa was a better 'musician', but in terms of actual musical/lyrical influence? Reed has Zappa beat by a landslide. The Velvets were the most influential bands in history, I also think you're under-rating Reed's guitar playing. The guitar work on "Foggy Notion" (between him and Sterling Morrison) speaks for itself. Not to mention listen to the guitar work on '1969 live', Reed was in a 'group' so it was a collaborative effort but I think you're under-rating Reeds' guitarplaying. He might not have been as virtuoso as Zappa but he was could hold his own.
@@victorlabouche6471 terrific point. Not to mention that Reed was also a stellar, poetic lyricist. It's also very important to keep in mind that Zappa and Reed inhabited two very different sides of the large umbrella that is the rock genre.
90% of people have NO clue what Zappa was all about. He was a composer, first and foremost. Some times conforming to popular trends, often times not. Either way, he created a greater volume and array of music of greater value than most. There was only one Zappa. RIP brother.
City of tiny lights..is brilliance but i believe He only put his name on it..Steve Vai..!
@@pena.3302 He put his name on it because it's on a Frank Zappa record. And he probably either wrote it or co wrote it . 😁
I seem to remember an interview back in the 70s, where Lou said he hated Zappa. I guess he had a turnaround. Nice speech, Mr. Reed.
Frank's talent was a force that overpowered anyone's hatred of him.. do you see all of those absolutey legendary guitarists in the crowd.. Frank was better than any of them.. and they know it.
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Seems far more likely he was not sincere. He looks really uncomfortable.
6:34, nice shout out to George Clinton. I heard Overnight Sensation when I was 11 years old in 1974, it profoundly changed my life and how I viewed music. Had the pleasure of seeing him perform 4 times, he was absolute genius.
In may way, to see what Frank and Lou has done in their life as artists ,it seens impossible to compare what they have done.Their where booth outstanding in what they doing .They had an organillity that just have to be remeberd as real art.I miss them .
A huge burn for Zappa's legacy that Lou Reed inducted him into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I love it!!!
Frank would have absolutely not been in attendance and it would have been magical. What a farce of an award.
My respect and appreciation for Frank Zappa skyrocketed when he said “I don’t care”.
No one was "booing" Lou Reed, they were chanting "Lou!"
+Ray Gonsalves I was saying boo-urns...
a spin worthy of a zappa ode.
They were saying, "Dooouuuche".
Nah I'm pretty positive they said boo
Jesus, you people wouldn't know a joke if it slapped you
i never really seen moon zappa before... my lord... shes unbelievably beautiful.... shes gorgeous.... just another perfect creation by frank.
A creation by hand of God!
Watermelon in Easter 2018
Yuppers
Oh yeah. Really attractive❤
Frank Zappa will go down (as if he hasn't) as one of the greatest musician mother earth ever created.
Thank you Gale Zappa for taking care of the Frank Zappa legacy.
Love & Miss your being here on earth and the wonderful music & commentary you made.
Load up the turntable with some Zappa tonight it'll make your day.
Sorry to say that the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is still a little behind the times.
Excuse me, Frank, but you are definitely remembered, regardless who much you did not care...
Always into the mind and into the heart Frank Vincent Zappa!!! 👍 😎 ✌️
Wow when did Moon Zappa become such a beautiful elegant looking woman?
+dsfddsgh 20 years ago
Master musician! So happy to have had the privilege of coming to this earth in 1965 and to be part of this man's music throughout the years. Hail to the King!
Lou Reed looked like someone's spinster auntie
Moon could have not said it any better. I truely miss you Frank.
He never cared about being remembered, but he will never be forgotten
In the next 30 to 40 years, there will be a Frank Zappa Renaissance. People will be saying to themselves holy shit why didn't I listen to this stuff back then. I'm going to use the word... Frank Zappa was a genius. Why... because he listened to his heart. And his heart was one groovy damn thing baby. I'm still discovering him.
Lou Reed and Frank Zappa are now making music together in heaven.
johnny10301968 they hated each other. Don’t think they are... not to mention Zappa wasn’t a big fan of religion (from what I understand.)
@@ThisIsReadyMade It seems they really did in the Sixties when VU and the Mothers were sharing concert bills AND a record label lol but I think after loss of ego decades later they had a begrudging respect for both not selling out, being legitimate artists, and making music that stands the test of time and was unlike any of the bands in the 60s-early 70s.
Frank could care less that he was inducted
Zappa...couldn't care less.
Mike Alstatt Thanks Mike ..actually somebody here who know what the F __ _ he's talkin' about...You !!!!!
When someone says could care less it is an implication of a figure of speech such as "I could care less about a rats ass". Both ways are correct. One is literal, one is figurative.
What he cared about, right from the start, was exploring the sound and imaginal territory indicated by Varese and Webern and Stravinsky and connecting and playing with the most interesting musicians he could find. He did all that and that was his Hall of Fame.
Yeah but Frank would probably enjoy the whole event because why not?
Dweezil himself stated that it was he who chose Lou Reed to be the one to induct Frank into the HOF. Brilliant move
The original choice. You guessed it. Frank Stallone.
You're joking, right? Lou was the LAST person they wanted! They refused the family's suggestions and instead picked Lou, who had publicly dissed Zappa. Dweezil has been very public about that.
I sat not 30’ from Dweezil when he told the story. It was obvious that the intent was to rub it in Reed’s face.
@@wk2wwk2w45 He says the exact opposite at 3:30 in this interview. ruclips.net/video/3wbZWDdU4tk/видео.html
Wow. Completely different from what he said when I heard him. This probably three years ago(?). He told the story on the video about the Burt Reynolds head shot the same way, though.
Thanks for posting that link.
Moon's monologue demonstrated her pops sense of humor. The dyslexic george clinton reference was a great start to a very graceful and hilarious minute and 1/2 slam of r n r hall of fame....so Frank
There's a time and a place for that, like when they are honoring YOU, not your deceased father.
She should have shown class in the face of others not showing it. Instead, she lowered herself to their level.
Who can blame her, though? Her dad was a womanizing adulterer her entire life. As a woman, she must have thought he was a cad.
@@andytrimble5615 sorry i dont feel neither one of sort of moral things you are trying to give evidence
@@XanAxDdu Moral things? What are you talking about? I didn't say she was immoral...
Nah. Frank Zappa's induction into the Hall only makes the Hall look good. Frank Zappa was already the top it just took awhile for the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame" to catch up.
Antonio Ferraina I don’t know if it is. Sadly, not many people know who Zappa is. It pleases a certain amount of people, the true music fans. Sadly though, I don’t think Zappa would have got in if it was 2019... not because of the politics of things now, but because of the fact the Rock Hall is incredibly biased.
There’s two metal artists in the hall, 5 prog bands/artists, one or two country artists...
@@ThisIsReadyMade theres so many old acts that still need the praise they deserve so i understand they dont include much of late rock subgenres like metal or niche subgenres like prog
A true renaissance man of music.
Since some people don't seem to get what she's saying, here's a rough paraphrase of her speech as I understood it: "[Because I was raised right, I'll be publicly gracious to this douchebag who was publicly rude to my father.] Man, that song was stupid. Everybody connected with this institution, waiters on up, has treated us like shit. My father hated bullshit promises, and he would have thought you were all a bunch of fools. His fans loved him and are probably getting a charge out of this anyway (so thanks, fans). Music is a language, and, unlike the Slavs who were inspired by my father's music to fight for freedom, you're a bunch of grunting cavemen. My dad enjoyed making fun of vacuous spectacles, and this night would have provided him with fuel for at least two operas and a ballet. Music is the best."
jackal59 trust me, in their prime, they were BOTH rude to each other...
you have NO IDEA what was going through her mind, though she looks pretty relaxed & sincere...Moon has never seen like a bitter angry person to me...
& by the way, they were both great artists.
Music is the best......hacks spewing arbitrary shit- not so much
Reed couldn't play, was a hack country singer, and wrote 2 tunes of any note.......great artists my arse...he's up there with Brian Hyland & Plastic Bertrand...ha ha ha hah
i like brian and bertrand
LOL if Frank Zappa was actually your dad then he would be sick to his stomach listening to his son making a spectacle on youtube. Also Lou Reed was a fucking genius whether it was his solo stuff or with the Velvet Underground. While everyone was doing psychedelic, hippy dippy, peace love music the Velvets were doing literally the exact opposite of that, mixing literature, art, rock n roll, avante garde sensibility and the dark reality of the streets of New York City.
@@acohen1980 I think he was quite talented, he got better as he went along. New sensations and New York weren't good they were great."Mommas got a lover" from Mistrial is classic stuff imo.
It'd be great if Lou Reed came to the stage, pulled out a piece of paper, then said "I wish my name didn't sound so much like 'Boo'"
+paulytamale Seek help or Up your meds!
+Andy Thomas Maybe you shouldn't use youtube as your checklist
+Konsty What?!?!
It would have been great if Johnny Guitar Watson had come to the stage.
You mean Bou Reed ? Lol... X
Genius...I still miss him.
I still listen to Frank everyday. He is more then remembered, he's loved eternally.
Time doesn't heal all wounds. The longer Frank is gone, the more I miss him.
"freed my ass and I hope my mind will follow" loved that haha
Frank Zappa (born in year of the Dragon), was a fearless innovator! He changed the whole game. He wasn't afraid to say," F-you conformists....experiment....take a chance!"
Rumor has it that Zappa (by accident) invented the FLANGER by pressing against the tape spool (flange) while mixing a song.
And like most Dragons he was very intelligent,had an eye for talent and recklessly (almost) honest. Big Ups Frank!
Incluir a Zappa enaltece al Hall of dame más de lo que se pueda creer.... Pocos como el lo merecían...
Lou Reeds Metal Machine Music has to be one of the greatest musical feats Reed ever achieved.
Nah. Reed's done much better.
Overrated
I was lucky enough to see Zappa and the Mothers at an early age of 15y.o., at the Fillmore East in NYC (on Mothers Day, no less.) His genius was an inspiration. The greatest flattery I ever received was Billboard Magazine stating “and a few Frank Zappa-inspired surprises thrown in,” when it reviewed my first album in 1980. I even keep an armadillo on my mixing board, in homage to his memory.
Who cares about the rock and roll hall of nothing. Zappa wouldn't cared less.
wouldn't HAVE cared less
How hot is Moon? Damn.
“Push the button , pull the chain, here comes the brown Choo choo train
Fantastic Speech Lou!
+Peter Talbot Er! Hello? Anybody home?
I love this man and his music. Have done so for about two thirds of my life.
Moon Zappa is beautiful! I read a long time ago, yes I am old, but not that old, Lou Reed had a disliking for Frank Zappa. Then again Lou Reed and many musicians are like the seasons, sometimes they are cold other times they are warm. Perhaps that is the mental landscape of creative types.
"I admired Frank greatly and I know he admired me" Lulu always had to believe everything was about him
Any "Top (pick a number) guitarists" lists of all time, that does not Include
Frank, is a highly suspect list.
Fucking awesome that Mr. Young was the first (that we see) person on his feet at the end of the video. And Mr. Reed as the presenter was absolutely spot-on, another guy who sometimes got ahead of (some of) his audience. God, Frank was a great dad, other than picking baby names. He let us know our minds could get as big as his, without making us feel smaller.
God bless Frank, his music is life-changing.
Frank had some good-looking kids. Moon was a cutie!
There seems to be a misconception among some Zappa fans in the comments section here that being a virtuoso is a must in order to put out good music, and therefore bash lou. Don't get me wrong, I think Zappa was greatly helped by his amazing technical talent, and it allowed him to keep up with his endlessly imaginative mind, but a there's something to be said for a nice simpler tune that generates something in the listener. I'm a fan of both. Anyways, to each his own. Don't turn this into the stereotypical unnecessarily aggressive youtube debate, please.
+1
Thank you so much! This desperately needed to be said. I also would like to add that the vast majority of Lou Reed's music isn't even simple. He has lots of complex music, lots of it. And his lyricism is magnificent. And just because something is technically not that difficult to play does not mean there wasn't a lot of talent and vision involved in creating the unique sound.
Lou was a great artist -- _New York_ is a great album, with virtuosic lyrics -- and the RRHOF disrespecting Frank and Gail, which they sure did, has zero to do with whether Lou was a great artist.
can you point us at the 'complex' musicReed made?
Lou Reed and Velvet Underground are wonderful. For me to poop on.
It looks like Vedder is about to cry. Respect.
Then why didn't he stand up with Neil Young? Vedder likely doesn't know Zappa's music at all.
RIP!!!
We are still studying your Music 🎵
GOD HAS ALL OF THE BEST MUSICIANS!!!
Moon was so yummy there!
Great montage of clips.
What makes this bad is not some ancient petty feud they had back in the '60's. If anything, I think it's poingnant that Lou put aside old grievances to honor Zappa. I can see why he and the HoF thought it might be a nice gesture, and I give him a little credit for doing so. I guess the idea was to have a counter-cultural icon (Reed) try to explain a more obscure figure (Zappa) to the wider mass market audience. But it failed because it's clear that Lou Reed still never understood Zappa and his fans. All that he said about Zappa focused on attitude and hipness and politics. Certainly most of it was true. But before all the message and philosophy crap, Zappa was first and foremost a music nerd. The complexity of the music and the skillfulness of the playing were paramount for both Frank and the many musicians he played with over the years. It is also the main focal point for his fans. Lou Reed was the polar opposite. He only sees this as an issue of Frank's hipness and cultural cache. Not a word about musicianship and composition, etc. That's really what should piss off the Zappa fans, not some old forgotten rivalry. One suspects that the reason he doesn't talk about the role of musical complexity and theory in Zappa's music is that he was woefully underqualified and insecure about his own corresponding lack of knowledge and ability.
You are way undervaluing Lou Reed's talent, knowledge, and musicality... BIGTIME. He made music with really special atmospheres and his lyrics made personas jump out of their imaginary skin. It's all good and dandy if you don't personally like his music, but if you can't even acknowledge the talent and originality of Lou Reed's approach to music then I suspect you have yet to truly give him a fair shot.
Though I do agree he should've said more about the musicality of it. But then again, if Lou Reed went up to give a speech about Franz Liszt I'd say there's probably a 75 percent chance he makes no mention of technicality, so I wouldn't take it personally towards Zappa.
+Joe Moe Reed built a career on attitude and hipness!
+Joe Moe -- Let's face it, very few rock & rollers cite Edgar Varese as a major influence. It's just a shame Frank didn't have more exposure to Persian, Turkish, and Arabic music. Frank Zappa once spent $250,000 to have a classical orchestra play some of his music. There's a bit of a gulf between that and "Sweet Jane" or "Heroin".My guess is that corporate management couldn't understand either Frank or Lou, so they had Lou do the honors.
+Joe Moe Zappa was as much a counter culture icon as Reed was. Don't be silly. Zappa left a substantial musical legacy! He will be remembered as a substantial figure in 20th Century American Music. Lou won't!
Lou's strengths were as a lyricist and songwriter, but he could not play lead guitar. Frank was a brilliant composer and guitar player, as well as satirist. Both were incredibly influential counter-cultural avant-gardists, but in different ways.
Moon Unit. Beautiful woman.
And spaced out.
Always had a crush on Moon.
+Bradyvilleboy .Bradyvilleboy Shes a very pretty girl.
+Bradyvilleboy .Bradyvilleboy you always had a crush on Peter North too.
+Bradyvilleboy .Bradyvilleboy Really?? Why?
+Andy Thomas I dunno. I just always thought she was cool, cute, and nice.
Bradyvilleboy .Bradyvilleboy You need to get out more!
At 2:55 is a version of Be-Bop Tango performed by The Ensemble Modern from the Yellow Shark cd.
Frank, you were and still are the man with a plan. R.I.H Rock In Heaven. ✌from a fan in Utah.
Don't believe that Frank would have cared less about being inducted into the RnR Hall of Fame.
WOULDN'T have cared less
Frank should have gotten the award way before 1995 in my personal opinion. Remember, Frank did his music his way. He did not like commercial radio at all. He even said it himself in one of his interviews. Everyone wants to be famous and leave a name behind but, Frank just did it his way. Some artist don't get recognized until they have passed on. It's kinda sad.
+Larry Long Its not sad at all that 'some artists don't get recognized until after they die'! What's sad is that this pathetic pompous load of guff (R&RHOF) is a completely worthless exercise from start to finish.
Andy Thomas Andy, What offended or, What upset you about what I said? And, Why did you feel it was worthless?
+Larry Long Frank was recognised by his peers while he was alive. The Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame is nothing more than the industry bigging itself up. Who cares what they think? Its a pointless exercise from start to finish. If the Zappa Family Trust hadn't become just a means of marketing Franks legacy, they wouldn't even be there.
+Larry Long I don't think what you said was worthless by the way. I meant that the whole Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame schtik is worthless! Its a marketing device. Nothing more nothing less! To quote Ray Collins on We're Only In It For The Money....I'm proud to be a part of this gigantic mass deception!
Thank you. I am glad you see the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame schtik being worthless alright. And yes. Ray Collins made a great statement there. We see eye to eye. Thanks.
What would the "Central Scrutinizer" say about all this?
It is easy, instead of bored Lou Reed, narrator (with Central Scrutinizer' voice) should whisper into audience:
"I bring you now a special presentation to show what can happen to you if you choose
a career in MUSIC..."
I was lucky enough to catch one of his shows In Vegas a long time ago at the Aladdin theater for the performing arts.
Holy shit, that version of Peaches en Regalia at 1:05....??? where can I hear the full version?!
It's from Dec 11, 1976 on Saturday Night Live. No official versions are online that I know of, but if you google it you will find some bootleg copies on sites which aren't RUclips.
I'm aware of the supposed enmity between Zappa and Reed in the 60s but know nothing at all about the situation surrounding Reed inducting Zappa into the hall of fame. From what I know of Reed, however, it seems unlikely to me he would have agreed to do this - and, in so agreeing, use the language he did, - unless he meant it.
Reed doesn't have a reputation of pulling punches after all. I think he would have refused to carry out this task unless he believed what he was saying here. People change and people grow up. I certainly wouldn't like for people to expect me to hold exactly the same opinions (or exactly the same grudges) I had in my 20s. Who knows if Zappa and Reed hadn't patched things up years before?
Of course, as I stated, I am ignorant as to the ins and outs of Zappa being inducted here and so there could be more that went on than I am aware of. However, if people are just assuming here that nothing had changed vis a vis Zappa and Reed's opinions of each other since the 60s and therefore making judgements as to the cynicism inherent to Reed's agreeing to make this award based on nothing more than this, then I think we're on shaky ground.
I think Reed is a complete charlatan!