The reason why Ahsoka’s not around during the Original Trilogy (And it involves time travel)
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On top of that I feel like we’re underselling how hard it would be to get off Malachor. She’s at the bottom of an ancient sith temple with no ship to get off world from what I remember as the ghost crew took their ship which she came on, the inquisitors ships are destroyed and Vader took his TIE. I think it’d be interesting just to see how she’d deal with surviving that for a few years on top of the paradox avoidance.
Wasn't she was pulled forward in time, where is the paradox coming from?
I just hope we will see Ahsoka and Luke meeting for the first time in her show, their scene together in Boba Fett came out of no where and we have no idea how they met, how long did she knew he was the son of Anakin ? what did they talked about ? Did he told her what happen in the death star ?
I've been wondering about that for months, too...
Ahsoka was Fulcrum thus She knew Bail Organa's daughter (Leia) was one of Anakin's twins. Ahsoka & Obi Wan were probably the only two people who knew Anakin & Padme had a long time relationship, Padme was pregnant, & later twins.
@@SwaggerLikeUz We can't assume she would know that Leia was Anakin's daughter or that he had twins. Ahsoka didn't know Padme was pregnant. Anakin found out after he said his last goodbye to ahsoka
At this point I hope that’s left to the imagination
@@Dakarai_Knight Honestly, I never understood how someone so powerful in the force like Anakin DIDN'T notice two EXTRA life forms developing. It was always imo bad writing that he didn't know before she did, considering how the force works and how powerful he is with it. In that same thought, why wouldn't Ahsoka know? Also, Bail Organa KNEW Ahsoka and trusted her, hence making her Fulcrum and working so closely with her to form the Rebellion Cells....theres no reason for him to keep that secret from her of all people so I don't see why she wouldn't have been aware of Leia's identity. As to Luke....he literally goes by 'Skywalker' it's not exactly a huge secret >.>
Mon Mothma always bugged me. Back in the day, we always thought Leia was THE one in charge of the Rebellion...until Return trotted out this *other* woman, for ONE scene! This bothered me for awhile, until I finally untangled the narrative reason for MM's existence: So that Leia could go play with the boys! Think about it, IF the Death Star assault goes wrong, they need the Rebellion's leader safely away from the action to start over again. If that's Leia, then that means that she's out of the movie, at best watching from a distance. But by simply revealing a higher up leader, Leia is now free to risk her life in a ground mission like a common soldier/general, alongside Han and Luke! Now, as a kid, I probably wouldn't have thought twice if Rebel Leader Leia went on the mission anyway, but as an adult, I can really appreciate the thought that went into this movie, even in little ways like this!
Great thought?
She was a princess so will she become queen?
No because it was just a title lucas bestowed to add gravity to the rescue of her.
Thats called retconning ideas not great thought...
And you really thought a 20 year old was the leader of the rebellion. As a five year old i knew she wasn't old enough to be in charge...
@@cjp1599 It's pretty sunny here today, so, thanks for the shade! Yes, it's perfectly fine, esp for a *child*, to conclude that Leia was the leader, regardless of her age (notice the obviously older guys in Ep 4 taking orders from her when she arrives at the rebel base); given lack of evidence to the contrary, it's a perfectly valid conclusion for anyone to make (besides, if age were a great determinant in Lucas' eyes and the SW galaxy, then Padme would never have been elected Queen)
Also, did I say anything about Leia being princess or queen? Not sure what the relevance of your bringing that up is...The fact that she is both a senator and a rebel is far more important in the movie.
Lastly, I find your lack of understanding that "retconning" and "great thoughts" are not somehow mutually exclusive to be...disturbing.😈 (we need Vader emojis!)
Yeah would make no sense for the leader of the rebel alliance to just be going on missions like that
I always saw Leia as a junior member of the Rebellion leadership since the beginning because she is a Princess that has a father that is assumed to be some kind of King that the movie established is part of the rebellion itself because he sent her on the errand to pick up an old Jedi that served him well in the clone wars. A Prince or Princess is not the one in charge of a rebellion unless they are trying to overthrow their parents system.
I mean I never got the inkling that she was the leader as a kid. She was said to be working with the rebels not be the rebel leader. She never claimed to be the leader either. She was always more hands on then I would have thought the leader themselves would be.
I think altering time is a clunky plot mechanic no matter how you try to justify it.
I agree. I'm also not sure why add time travel to save her at all... there were other, simpler ways Ahsoka could've survived her fight against Vader.
Blame Dave Filoni for refusing point blank to let his beloved waifu go...
@@thorskywalker Like what, tho? Vader capturing her alive and trying to convert her through torture between seasons, maybe?
@@thorskywalker Yeah 100% she could've just survived the fight or even have her be captured by Vader and turned or something like that, anything but time travel really...
@@HandofOmega pretty sure the explosion of the Sith temple could have separated them. They would be forced to retreat due to their injuries. Easy solution, no time travel involved lmao.
Honestly, the point where time travel and/or alternate dimensions get introduced into a story that wasn’t built around those concepts to begin with is the point where you know things have gotten out of hand canonwise.
I feel like in this case it was used sparingly enough where it doesn't hurt the canon. It didn't make any major changes. Even ahsokas survival could have been written without time travel to begin with. It's only messy if you absolutely need to explain it using time travel while in this case it's not required but it adds to the lore.
This whole time travel topic made me very negative about feloni being at the wheel, but he has totally redeemed himself with his contributions to the Mandoverse
The clone wars series talk a lot about how time is just another thing in the universe and the force is above all that.
If ppl can see the future using the force, or trancend space time, like yoda, time travel is not that big of a stretch.
I'd imagine her show might explain the reason why she never appeared in the OT. Obviously she was created many years after those movies and she's gonna be on the search for Ezra/Thrawn too
They should because that’s all people are going to be thinking about.
If we don't get a Maul show, it would be cool if her show also explained his timeline...He doesn't have to be a Mandalorian-style interruption, either, esp if they play up the similarities between the two Outcasts, as they did in CW.
It definitely is time travel, but it is heavily limited and they haven’t used it since so I’m cool with it. It seems that you can only enter the world between worlds from very specific places, like the Jedi or sith temples Ezra and ahsoka used. This severely limits its power, which is a good thing
Yep its a closed loop, and I'd even go so far as to say, the only person who could have mastery over it, is Ezra.
Wait till they introduce Flow Walking...!
I'd agree that it was limited well enough to be discarded as a concept, but not with them giving Palpatine knowledge of its existence.
There is no way that Palpatine had knowledge of the World Between Worlds and didn't use it to witness and then prevent his own death.
They should use to erase the shithole trilogy made by Disney.
@@Giant2005 kinda like that better than whatever nonsense Lucasfilm said happened in the movies
I really hope they don't ruin her but theres a high chance of that happening, given disney's track record. Maybe not though, because it's a character that Dave Filoni understands much more than Boba, as he helped create her.
He was somewhat because of the Clone Wars episodes with Boba
There's too much Ahsoka already to ruin her. If the Ahsoka series sucks I'll just pretend it doesn't exist. Like I did with the Sequels after they brought Palpatine back.
Filoni is not the only person behind the scenes of tbobf at all. The show was mainly in the hands of Favreau and Rodríguez, and filoni made the best episode in fact. So he's not to blame for how awfully the character was portrayed. Not that Boba ever was much of a character before the show anyway
I'm sorry to be the only non-believer in Ahsoka's glory, but in hindsight, I wish she died in her fight with Vader just bc what do the writers do with her now? Sure, she might be hunting someone or doing things for Bail, but why? I know they want to make the fans happy, but bc they don't have much of a plan, she's now a character that exists and will be active bc "she's cool and does cool stuff." What is her motivation to for running around doing other lone wolf stuff when it would likely be just as if not more important to stay with the rebellion and protect/ support them?
Filoni isn’t the key to this sure clone wars was great and rebels was fine but I feel like he doesn’t know how to use ahsoka….I feel like she’s starting to get shoved into everything like did she really need to be in TBOBF….don’t get me wrong I love ahsoka she’s one of my favorite characters but no character should be shoved into shows for no reason with absolutely nothing to do I don’t think Filoni can let go either I doubt he’ll kill her off
I think it is safe to assume we dont see Ahoska because she was stuck in a moment . When she is pulled out of duel into the World Between Worlds it ends that moment freeing her. With no one truly knowing what happened to her outside of Kanan & Ezra knowing she didnt exit the duel location she essentially becomes the schrodinger's cat of Star Wars.
Why no one mentions her in the original trilogy can easily explained the number of people who knew her are dead, missing or Darth Vader. Really the only prominent non Jedi not including former Clone Troopers who had a significant relationship her left was Bale Organa and he died in Episode IV never making an on screen appearance. Hera Syndulla is a another character that is alive yet is never seen in the original trilogy but unlike others her whereabouts were known & she remained actively fighting the Empire the entire time. She also knew Ahoska but since she isnt shown we dont know if she ever talked about Ahoska.
To those that have issues with the logic of adding new characters (that were alive) but never get mentioned in the original trilogy think about the friends you had in high-school... then of those friends remove anyone you still actively talk to regularly. Now how many of those friends have you ever talked about with current co-workers or newer relationships? It is not so hard to believe for people from someone's past not being talked about in the present.
When it’s smthg big or funny then yea I’d mention em. It’s conversing it makes total sense to wonder why when she’s been such a huge part of the story
I think she appeared for like 2 seconds in a New Hope or Return of the Jedi.
We are talking about a Jedi though.
If Ahsoka helped Luke, Vader might have been redeemed since she had failed during Twilight of the Apprentice. Her presence interfered with Luke's destiny at the time just by making Vader more angery.
I also believe that her presence in The Civil War would've caused Vader to sense her, and it would've been easier for him to locate The Rebels, and Luke, esp. if the 2 were interacting with each other. Vader could've used her to trap Luke.
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 That makes sense. Unlike Obi-Wan and Yoda, Ahsoka is probably going to use the Force a fair amount, making her easier to find.
My head canon has been that Ahsoka had heard stories about Luke during the war, and was just about to set out to find him, when she is visited by the Force Ghost of Master Kenobi...who informs her that Luke IS Anakin's son, but that she needs to stay away for now, for Mysterious Force Reasons. She doesn't like it, but obeys...
@@HandofOmega I like that idea a lot. They way I've seen it, since seeing the Series Finale of SW: Rebels is this: When Ahsoka went in to that cave on Malachor, she had a kind of "vision quest", and communed with The Bendu and other Force entities. She, somehow, didn't feel the need to eat, and found enough water to sustain her...she somehow found a way off of the planet (perhaps that TIE Fighter of the Brother of The Inquisitorius that Chopper overtook), thinking she had been there for 2 weeks. Only to find out that it had been 2 years, and that The Civil War had already begun (A New Hope)...so, she knew Luke was the Son of her Master, and she knew that, as she told Ezra, It would be Luke who would have to defeat The Sith. I believe that, over those 3 years, Ahsoka, in some way, from a distance, helped The Rebellion, while still attempting to gain more Force knowledge and leads on the whereabouts of Ezra and Thrawn. Now that The New Republic is being formed, I believe Ahsoka is concertedly searching for Ezra, esp. now that she has inklings and evidence (from Morgan Elsbeth) that Thrawn has somehow returned from The Unknown Regions, and is up to something, along with Moff Gideon.
@@anthonyyoutubefan7567 That's a nice idea, reminds me of certain stories about monks subsisting on one sip of water a year! Apropos of nothing, but in my Legends head canon, Ahsoka survives a crash landing on Dathomir, where she joins the Force Witches, eventually becoming their Queen of Light by helping them wipe out the Nightsisters once and for all. Grandmaster Luke (now in his 70s) feels a summoning in the Force and meets her there, where she tells him about his father, before she finally becomes one with the Force...
Man, I wish they hadn't killed the original EU! >___
I love these kinds of videos because it comforts me to know other people understand this in this manner. I have a lot of friends I don’t talk about time travel with because we end up getting into arguments because they can’t help but looking at it in a linear way and it just frustrates me.
As much as I love Ahsoka, they should have killed her off before Episode VI. The whole point of the OT was that the ways of the Old Republic were gone, and it was up to Luke Skywalker to rebuild the Jedi Order and New Republic better than it was before.
In other words, not have the world between worlds sequence take place or show her surviving at the end of the season 2 finale. Her death would be fitting, sacrificing her self to save her former master. I’d rather have that, than have her character dragged into the ground for cameo appearances.
I sort of agree, but ahsoka left the order, so she isnt really like the old jedi (although she did receive training from them)
Technically, Ahsoka was never dead to begin with. If you watch the last few scenes of the Rebels S2 finale, you'll see a figure walking deeper into the depths of Malachor, and Morai (The Daughter) watching Vader, and then went to follow said figure;
So it would seem that Ashoka never actually died. Dave Filone even made some artwork depicting Morai leading Ahsoka thru a few halls, and down a case of stairs, and then led her to a portal similar to the World Between Worlds portal, that was open below the Malachor Sith Temple.
Well Luke failed, now what?
@@goodmind4940 That's kinda a good point though lol considering how he was in the sequels, and everything leading up to that.
I like the idea of 'the world between worlds' as being related to hyperspace. An aspect of the force that allows travel through time and space similar to what advanced starships accomplish.
Yeah like how moving at the speed of light can move you through the future if traveling at relativistic speeds and returning to your original origin point etc. It's an interesting concept.
I got the impression that when Ahsoka left the world between worlds, she was “thrown out” at the end of ROTJ.
Dave Filoni said she had to go back to the same moment she left.
@@thorskywalker It's like nobody paid attention during the end of season 2, lol.
This is such a good point! I hadn’t ever thought of the fact that Ashoka can’t be seen by Ezra for a couple years.
There are 3 flashback scenes I would like to see at least one of them in Ahsoka
1. Ahsoka sensing Anakin’s return and death(Darth Vader killing the Emperor and dying in Return of the Jedi)
2. She travels to Endor and finds Vader’s melted mask. Also the first time she meets Luke
3. She meets Force Ghost Anakin
Ooor what if,....all three??? That sounds good to me!
1) And was actually there, behind the scenes, Back to the Future 2-style, helping Luke and Anakin win somehow!
2) She finds the mask...and takes it, giving it to a certain young boy as a keepsake...
3) ...Who tells her that Palps is still alive, but she shouldn't tell anyone. And explains that, while he talks freely with her, he's not gonna talk to his grandson, whose having TOO good a time playing around with (and talking to) that old helmet of his...
Eh, the ST leaves it's stink on everything, so be careful what you wish for!
I honestly think George is rightfully pissed that Filoni is forcing in his own character into aspects of Star Wars where George never intended or wanted them to be.
@@Basilisk2077 As he should be
I love how this video is less about the characters and more about the logic of how this form of time travel would work. It’s a really fun way to discuss it!
There’s an even simpler explanation as to where Ahsoka Tano was during the events of the original trilogy: she didn’t go back to the same time she left. There’s nothing saying that when she re-entered the portal that she arrived shortly after leaving Malachor. She could arrived years after-after the events of the original trilogy (which is when we next see her in 𝘙𝘦𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘴). And yes, the World Between Worlds is time travel, and time travel and Star Wars 𝘥𝘰 𝘯𝘰𝘵 mix.
Rebels is actually before the original trilogy...
@@rogerpalmer3723 the epilouge is after rotj
@@cephery8482 it was such a bad episode I must have suppressed it. Now I remember and I wish I didnt.
And honestly I think the reason this bothers me so much, the idea that ashoka just bypassed the entire conflict, choosing to re-emerge only after the coast was clear, tarnishes her character significantly if true.
@@rogerpalmer3723 It would. Which is why it would solve many problems if she simply re-emerged years after she entered the TWBW.
Remember when Ezra communed with Yoda through vast distances via the Force? It's been a bit, so I don't recall the exact circumstances...but I do recall wondering, if this were possible, then why wouldn't Yoda talk to Ahsoka?
I think time travel is a bad idea for Star Wars, since the greater part of Star Wars is still a single story told in generational fashion about a fairly small group of characters. It undermines that story when characters get foreknowledge of the future or a chance to retcon past events. I think you're right about what Ahsoka was doing during the OT, but you're also right that Filoni should have found a different way to bring back his favored character.
It still kind of sucks to think of her hiding away in a cave someplace when force sensitive kids were being hunted down and killed all over the Empire, even if the reason makes sense. The idea that she may have spent most of the OT travelling the unknown regions of the galaxy looking for Ezra is cooler, since quests are what heroes tend to do.
It really makes zero sense that she would hide in a cave to avoid paradoxes, I agree she should have been elsewhere. I mean, there are tons of characters that weren't mentioned in the original trilogy. Doesn't mean anything
I don't think with what we witnessed that there was even a chance of a Paradox creation. Ahsoka was basically "pulled" into the future a couple years avoiding her death. If that hadn't happened she would have been dead and had NO EFFECT on the world for those years until Ezra's intervention. As so she "Skipped" those years and didn't die and therefore had NO EFFECT on the timeline during those years. Now she finds herself in the future with Ezra alive and having skipped years. Ahsoka as a living creature would be therefore free to act and affect things in life normally. Now trying to step through the World between worlds completelly to stay in the past and altar it...could create crazy paradoxes. But it seems like Ezra's intervention worked because in the years since he had left Malachor... he didn't know Ahsoka's fate and so Ahsoka's fate on Malachor didn't affect his future. Therefore when he was there to witness that fate he was free to act to pull Ahsoka to that future. Makes sense to me for some reason.
Not a bad theory, but may I offer this slight variation:
It wasn't Ezra she was avoiding since he knew the danger of paradoxes, but the only other person present on that moment...Vader. Interesting how Asohka seems off the map until right after Vader's death? Just another point of view.
I agree. She knows just how devious Vader could be, having been essentially raised by Anakin. She'd know better than to risk attracting Vader's attention. And what Vader knew, Sidious likely knew, so she was likely privy to that as well.
The bigger point is that the Daughter is with Ahsoka, even as late as The Mandalorian S2, so the Daughter is likely guiding her away from creating paradoxes, as the Daughter was also in The World Between Worlds with them. Ahsoka and the Daughter wouldn't risk allowing Vader or Sidious access to The World Between Worlds.
@@monkeysk8er33 how does going forward in time create paradoxes?
@@rogerpalmer3723 It allows you to intervene in time, and thus far SW doesn't follow the Many World's Theory of quantum physics, thus it's all one world.
Remember how they tried to save Kanan, but then they stopped, because they knew that saving Kanan would've ended up killing them all, preventing any of it from happening at all, which is the Grandfather Paradox.
@@monkeysk8er33 I should have been more specific. Moving Kanan from that one very specific point is problematic. But, I wasn't talking about Kanan, I was talking about Ashoka. Moving from the point of her death, to any point righr after that when she didn't exist, where is the paradox?
Is the issue people are assuming she would go back to her own time instead of Ezra's? Then she could cause issues.
I read or saw something somewhere that I hope is used to explain the situation of ahsoka being saved and the strange disconnect between the Disney series and the new trilogy. That is that Ezra saving Ahsoka created a split in the timeline and that the new trilogy is a timeline where Ahsoka died, and the mandalorian linked shows are all the timeline where Ahsoka is alive and changes the future so the new trilogy never happens. Would be a great way to retcon the terrible sequel trilogy while keeping them both cannon in a way, and they can essentially correct what was done in the sequel trilogy without just trying to erase those movies from memory.
Simple version could be she followed the will of the force and was where she was most needed at the time. She knew confronting Vader again was not her destiny and helped elsewhere in the Galaxy. Only after Vader's defeat dies she feel a disturbance in the force and seek out Luke.
Bit of a cop out, but simple and sweet. At least it won't be like Starkiller, who defeated BOTH Vader and the Emperor and was about to kill them both, until The Force itself basically told him, "That's not your job! Altho you *could* end all this right here and now, that's for someone else to do, so please just exit stage-left for right now, ok?" Hmmm...
The force determined WHEN she left the World Between Worlds.
It could be that she walked through the portal and that final scene in Twilight of the Apprentice was actually some time after episode VI.
@@HandofOmega I just thought of an easier be one. She was frozen in Carbonite.
Terrible fanfiction
If I recall correctly, from Ezra's standpoint, it does happen linearly in the order in which the events of his life take place. I like the comparison to the Time Traveler's Wife but that movie said it was a genetic aberration, not something anyone with the right set of abilities could access. The problem with the World Between Worlds is that if makes it possible for paradoxes to happen with such devastating consequences, sooner or later somebody will either screw up or even possibly deliberately cause one.
Or Ahsoka accidentally got sent to the future (sometime after ROTJ) and that's why we never see her.
Because rather then kill her off back in the Clone Wars like George originally intended, Dave Filoni hijacked Ahsoka, turned her into his glorified OC, and invented a number of conveniences/DEM to ensure she even survives well past the Sequels.
I love Ahsoka, but Dave is a bit too attached. I'm sure we could get a series set thousands of years into the future and he'd find a way to make Ahsoka alive at the time.
@@alliesoapway1076 She'll be the one to rebuild the Jedi Order with Grogu post-sequels, that I think is her eventual destiny, and would make sense since both are of the old Order, who have had mixed relationships with it and the subsequent fall of the Jedi, and who would perhaps look into rebuilding it as the Jedi were supposed to be.
.....huh?
I always thought she was destined to die by Darth Vader's hand. It made dramatic sense. Ahsoka was the living personification of the potential he destroyed.
Dave Filoni's waifu.
I must be the only 40+ fan that loves the WBW episodes. I felt those were in the top 10 episodes of Rebels. I thought the way they tied in the power of the celestials to modern Star Wars was great. It was a dive back into the mysticism of Star Wars and I’m glad they did it. It’s a reminder of how ancient the galaxy is. Plus the Loth Wolves were a fantastic part of it.
No, you are not the only one.
Count me in too - I really love the WBW arc.
I'm not 40 yet but it was peak Star Wars for me!
I love it too and I'm ALMOST 40. Its mysticism. It's magic. It's cool. I like the idea that it seems Ezra and Ahsoka (Light Side users with heart of gold could enter relatively easily but Darth Sidious with a putrid heart wasn't allowed to enter but through exerting high level of force into it (basically cheating) I like the universe seems to be careful with this world between worlds. It doesn't seem like a totally nuetral thing.
I'm not remotely close to 40 but I did like it.
They botch Boba Fett in his own show, I really hope they don't do the same with Obi-Wan and Ahsoka in their own shows. Well today, I went to go pick up Lego Star Wars The Skywalker Saga, I'm so excited to play the game.
I never thought it was realistic expectation that Disney + would make a show for a mass audience where a bounty hunter becomes a crime lord. Ashoka on the other hand has always been a child friendly, white hat character. They shouldnt need to change much or anything about her personality or what she does.
Lego Star Wars is the real canon
@@xminusone1 I actually liked the Holiday Special, which now I think on it, also had Time Travel as a major story element!
@The Wandering M i even know that they offer parental control for TV MA on Disney plus at the moment. That doesnt mean theyre going to make a Star Wars for adults. It has long been oriented towards children. Anyone who seriously thought they were going to get a Godfather origins type story was only fooling themselves
@The Wandering M r u rtrdd? Youre out of your mind stupid if you think that Disney, which is currently having a roe with the state of florida over their grooming tendencies, was going to make an R rated star wars when the bulk of its content is aimed to kids
Another movie that might help is "Gandahar" aka "Lightyear". It's an animated fantasy movie, made in 1987, that has one very confusing riddle in it, but by the end of the movie this very confusing riddle makes perfect sense. I highly recommend watching it anyway.
her travels in spacetime could have taken her anywhere and anywhen...interesting the effect she could have had on known events - perhaps she pops forward to the events of return of the jedi and whitnesses vader toss the emporer, then pops back a few thousand years and lets it slip that this guy will kill the last of the sith (well, as far as she knows at that point), and faster than you can say 'bantha poodoo', the prophecy of the chosen one happens
A Real Ahsoka Fan would be glad she survived that short cliffhanger involved fight.
What if the World Between worlds and Mortis are actually the same place, just a different representation of it?
I think you're on the right track. Maybe the WBW is what's left of, or what Mortis looks like, without The Ones.
Don't we see the portals from the World Between Worlds on the walkway to the Father as well in the Mortis arc? Or something resembling them at the least.
It's Legends now, but Luke visits someplace like the WBW for his final confrontation with Abeloth, even meeting (and teaming up with) Darth Krayt from the future to defeat her! Can't recall what that Force Dimension was called, but it's basically the same thing...
I’m pretty much with you on all of this. Your explanation about halfway through was pretty hilarious though.
Now that I think of it, it kind of reminds me of the scene where they watch themselves in “Spaceballs”.
“When will ‘then’ be ‘now’?”
“Soon.”
You can change something that you aren't a part of.
Creating no paradoxes for the person who was implied it the actions they could see through that place.
I actually think the WBW is a cool concept and thought it was one of the better episodes of Rebels. I think Dave’s out of universe handling of it was appropriate and Ahsoka’s in universe response to it supports that it’s a place that needs to be carefully guarded against the opportunistic, such as Palpatine, and the possible negative outcomes far exceed the positive ones.
As far as creating time paradoxes, I think it depends on which version of time travel you prescribe to: one in which the present or future can be altered by changing the past or, as in the MCU, changing the past doesn’t alter events that have already occurred in the future, it instead creates an entirely new timeline, a multiverse.
I’m not in favor of either concept for Star Wars. As long as the WBW is handled with kid gloves both in universe and out of universe from the story-teller’s perspective, then I think it’s existence adds a cool piece of lore for us to ponder.
NOW...we understand why the Jedi SEALED the Temple that leads to the World Between WORLDS....it's Potential destructive Paradoxes could be FAR MORE destructive than a 100 Death Stars!!!
We also see why Ezra successfully keeping one out of Sidious' hands was a tremendous victory for the Light! ...Which sadly almost no one knows about.
I just figured she would be stuck on Malachor for a while, but that's a good point about avoiding any possible paradoxes.
To be honest, I don’t mind about time travel because it’s also kind of like good and evil. Sometimes time travel can be used for fixing while other times it can create a new branch in the timeline. However, if too many new branches are made it would be a war of parallel timelines. And since it’s only used once to explain something I can really respect that. However, it is a good concept but it’s not really about if it’s good or not. It’s about whether it connects to the story or fixes connecting the story. That’s the question that needs to answer does it connect or fixes a story? I will say it might do both.
@Ultra Brian I don’t believe in a parallel war either, I’m just saying it as a metaphor. I think everybody might know what I meant but just in case there’s any woke people reading I’ll explain it. It means we can admit when we are right or wrong, but people who take it too far can’t admit that they are wrong.
I don't like time travel (in stories in general). I view it as a cop-out where the writer don't want to take responsibility for crappy writing. If the story is to end with a bad ending, then let it end on a bad ending.
The force is always been about precognition which is an information only time travel process. One way to stabilize the question is to bring in a bunch of force ghosts. Qui gon jinn is not the first. He and the others are consulting records at the temple. Have the would between worlds be a place where they hang out. Link it to the many temples, holocrons (note that a time term too), toss in a learning curve for the force ghosts. This makes them just another race with in the universe. it may even make the Jedi droid possible canon if it has a holocron and force ghost in it. Its not Dr Who time travel and to the forces ghosts everything is very linear and stable.
Very good video, I can listen to you talk about Star Wars for hours.
because she was never supposed to make it out of the clone wars alive, and after rebels and the OT she is a footnote, as her being around doesn't add anything except needing to help luke fail at being a Jedi, and Filoni will not let Ahsoka die
There's a certain of view in which Ahsoka's saving comes from a selfless act, by Ezra, as opposed as to when the choice comes before him, on either saving Kanan or letting him go, there is a moment of hesitation, from a feeling of self preservation (attachment or possessiveness) ~ ♾️
Kinda surprised Thor forgot to mention the New Star Wars Holiday Special, which features Time Travel as a major plot point (seeing Kylo Ren explaining everything that goes wrong with the Empire to Vader and Palpatine made my day, as did Rey actually interacting with and learning from a *helpful* Luke from RotJ!)
Is that Lego or live action?
@@conststamatakos1722 Lego, but I honestly forgot at times until the lightsaber duels start...there's a good amount of action but I kinda wish someone would reanimate those in a more realistic style! It does show what Rey does after the ST which I guess is broadly canon...and she actually has a believable flaw shes trying to work thru! Better late than never...😏
I think that Ashoka, in taking a different path from Ezra, came out of the World between Worlds at a different time... specifically 10 years later... just after the fall of the Empire.
In finding that the empire had fallen, she had no need to seek out and assist the rebellion, so she turned her attention immediately to finding Ezra. This is where Rebels ends... shortly after Ashoka had seemingly 'reappeared' after being missing and presumed dead for ten years.
What most people forget is the original trilogy was really based on a small window of time and events in the galaxy, and Ahsoka could have been in a different part of the galaxy during these events, just because you didn't see characters in the three movies, doesn't mean they didn't exist in another part of the galaxy . This is why I like these series, it fills out the galaxy story.
Maybe I cannot recall the episode correctly but could've just as possible that Ahsoka returning to "normal" time was actually just at the events of Battle of Endor. Essentially, normal POV she's been gone for 5 years. It could just an aspect. Ezra went back the time he left but Ahsoka came back 5 years since she was taken. At least it explains even more why she was not mentioned because to the rest of the world she died there.
My only issue with the Mon Mothma defence is Mothma's appearance in R1, she's seen leading the rebels at Yavin and then disappears until RoTJ, it just needed a line from her to Bail Organa or Jyn saying that she's going on a mission then it all stacks up properly
The reason Asoka wasn't around is because she didn't even exist yet, so the writers had to write a way out of a convoluted loop hole to explain why she wasn't there.
But Ahsoka is the embodiment of the daughter. So if the Force wants the daughter alive 🤷♂️
2:51 Anakin mentions her in and talks with Obi Wan about her leaving the jedi in the cancelled Utapau arc which was one of (I thinnk) 10 arcs which were cancelled by Disney taking over Star Wars and which were never brought back, so far at least.
I honestly don't think that the intent of World Between Worlds was supposed to be narrowed down to just "time travel"; to me, it's more like a spiritual realm, of the cosmic Force, to where you can't necessarily change anything you want, as we see, Ezra couldn't change Kanan's fate, but if he did, would it have even worked anyhow? Or was the portal displaying Kanan's death just a vision, a figment of the past, and nothing more than that?
Not to mention that Ezra didn't exactly "revive Ahsoka" considering that if you watch the last few scenes of the Rebels S2 finale, you see very clearly a figure of a person walking deeper into the depths of Malachor, (that being Ahsoka) and Dave Filone even made artwork showing Morai (the Daughter) leading Ahsoka deeper below into Malachor, leading her to a portal that looks similar to the World Between Worlds.
The World Between Worlds seems to be more similar with what Vader experienced in the Vader comics, (a Dark Side cave, or "Dark Side Locus" as it was called) Vader's conscious entered a portal where he saw things of the past and future, some events even played out differently to how they actually happened, he saw Padme, and was given the chance to save her, but it just wasn't meant to be, and he failed; later on, the Sith Lord, Darth Momin used the portal to resurrect his physical body and join his spirit back together with his body.
So in other words, it's not something to just be used as "time travel"; we just really don't know the full extent or power of this Dark Side Locus or Force Vergence Scatter realms (those are the real names, other than the World Between Worlds or Dark Side Cave titles) but obviously Palpatine didn't care too much for the Dark Side Locus on Mustafar, so I'd assume that the World Between Worlds is the more powerful/dominant realm, over the entire galaxy.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the show but didn’t Ashoka go back through the door in Ezra’s current time?
Actually I don't believe it's ever mentioned. Actually you don't even know she returned to malachor.
The way I like to think about time traveling paradoxes is this:
Paradoxes are impossible, in one universe. In multiple, they are possible, full solutions. Notice the place where Ezra is is called the World between Worlds, not the World between time. Imo, he is not reaching through time, but between worlds. If ashoka died in his world, it doesnt matter as there is an identical Ahsoka in another world that hasent gotten to that point yet.
Paradoxes are impossible because if Ahsoka kills Ezra in the past, shes preventing a different Ezra from pulling a different Ahsoka through.
No... I really think it's because the character didn't exist when the original series was being made, and so this all done in retrospect. I think they call it a "prequel". It's a portmanteau, you see. It combines the word "previous" or the prefix "pre" and the word "sequel". It's like a story that comes out after another story but is supposed to take place before it in the chronology of the overall story/canon.
That's just my 2 cents... I could be wrong.
The World Between Worlds as presented in the show (sans the interview clip) was a bad decision. It went well beyond the concept of the Force as an energy field. Yes, that has already been stretched with other developments (Father/Brother/Sister, the separate planes of the Force (the “Living Force”), etc.), but this truly broke the boundaries.
For a good example of time travel with effect preceding cause, I point to Babylon 5. I won’t describe it, as it is a major plot point in the show’s story and I don’t want to spoil it for anyone.
While I disagree with your comment on the Force, you get a Like just for referencing B5!
I dont think it's a bad decision, I know you have to over explain a little bit the story but at the end what happens makes sense .
Besides, I think what really is important about it is the fact that it serves as an alternative or as I say an "emergency" exit. It opens up the possibility to a new timeline, one where the sequels never existed. And actually, you can even say Legends is just one more fracture of this timeline or reality, which I think is a way better decision than saying "legends never happened" .
Also, it creates an opportunity for Ezra Mando, Ashoka and etc etc to have an entire new trilogy where thrawn can be the villain, have the Yuuzhan vong if u want and even more. In a few words, the world between worlds just opens up the chance to many storylines, even deleting the sequels and involving legend
@@laloomartinez9997 yes! The sequels can be in an alternative continuity. That way everything would be solved
The way my head cannon explains her whereabouts during the original trilogy is that the portal she takes when leaving the world between worlds has forwarded her in time. When we see her disappear into the shadows at the end of season 2, from her perspective it could be several years later from when we see vader staggering out.
I think it's possible in theory. Time travel is also a theme in another great series, Outlander.
So I have three thoughts on why Ahsoka didn't immediately go and help the Rebels after her duel on Malachor.
First is rather simple. She realised that interfering too soon would create disastrous paradoxes and simply waited. On the other hand, this would only mean she could have returned at any point after Ezra saved her, but she doesn't return until after the Empire's defeat at Endor.
Second is also simple: she couldn't. Malachor was a rarely visited grave of a world, probably forgotten by the galaxy at large. We know that some ancient Jedi and Sith tech was still around but badly maintained (like the lightsaber Ezra picked up). It may have just taken Ahsoka a few years to scavenge and repair enough parts for a ship good enough to leave, not to mention she probably had to travel in realspace without a hyperdrive. Alternatively she made/had a distress beacon that didn't get an answer until a few years later.
Third is a bit weirder. The scene we see her reemerge after her duel with Vader actually takes place years after the duel, as when she "returns" to through the portal/window, it throws her several years into the future. She leaves planet, rendevous with the rebels and realises time has passed, Empire got defeated at Endor etc etc.
According to a card game on mobile she supposedly went back into the time dimension immediately after leaving it to go on a journey. Not sure how canon it is though.
I'd also like to point out that Vader probably very briefly felt Ezra's presence when Ahsoka disappeared, went and reported the whole thing to Palpatine which is how Palpatine learned of, or at least got confirmation of, the time dimension thing. Had Ezra not saved Ahsoka, he probably would never have found the place to begin with, creating a paradox.
I think that you are giving this way more thought than the people who are making this series!
While I appreciate the effort behind your time travel explanation, it still relies on time working in a linear, logical (to us humans) fashion. Research has pointed to time not working in such a fashion, but humans have no way to really comprehend it any other way than the way we do.
STNG, while not fully reflecting some of the current theories on time, does a very good job of addressing the issue of how humans "see" time in the series finale, and how limited that view is.
I think it’s a good twist to the story. Not exactly time travel per say but a war between world I don’t think we need to go further in an explanation. Let the mystery stand
I don't remember them ever showing Ahsoka leaving the World Between Worlds, nor do we know when it was she went and got Sabine. Who says she left and went back to her "own" timeline? Maybe the Force opened a different door for her...one after the Original Trilogy. She went and got Sabine and off they went into the Unknown Regions.
Episode 2 was the battle of geonosis which was before Ashoka became anakins padawan and episode 3 she was on mandalor fighting maul
Also for what it's worth, Ahsoka was shown alive at the end of "Twilight of the Apprentice" with Morai flying towards her. So even before all the "A World Between Worlds" stuff she was alive, but the reason she was alive may have changed
The temple explodes, Morai flies into the cloud, then we see Ashoka going through a triangle doorway.
So temple explodes. Then Morai flies into the crumbling temple to get into the World Between Worlds and guide Ezra to save Ashoka. Ezra saves Ashoka and goes through his portal back into the Lothal portal at the point in time where he left Sabine.
But we do not actually know "when" Ashoka and Morai left the World Between Worlds for that final shot in Twilight... It could have been many years later.
Just like how Ashoka getting Sabine in the finally of Rebels, we do not know "when" that actually was.
So Ashoka could have left the World Between Worlds after the battle of Endor. Then got Sabine and is now looking for Ezra in Mandalorian.
Or maybe she left after Endor, found the clue to Thrawn and Ezra's location, then went to go get Sabine at the end of Rebels now that she knows where to go.
There is nothing that says that final scene in Twilight... Was actually moments after the collapse of the temple, it could have been years later.
@@5353Jumper Except Filoni confirmed back then that Ahsoka returned to Malachor just after her fight with Vader.
@@BMHorakhty from a certain point of view.
The world between worlds is a get out of jail free card that writers can use whenever their favorite character gets in a jam
Non existent and Dave Fandfic Filoni forgot that.
I think she is simply staying on Malachor studying the dark side. I think she was trapped there. So she studied the temple. As Ahsoka said earlier, to beat your enemy you need to know them.
The Yoda line 'There is another,' from ESB was retroactively repurposed in Return of the Jedi to be in reference to Leia. Therefore it is not impossible for it to be re-purposed again to be in reference to Ahsoka Tano
Ahsoka goes through a portal that puts on the sith world at time after Episode 6.... we always assume she came back to same time as Ezra. She went through a different portal. Maybe the cosmic force directed her to that portal to keep her from changing Luke's destiny to save Vader.
She could also have come out in a different place, yes? As she and Ezra are running for the exits, they split up and go in different directions. She could have exited the world between years a few years in the future, depending on which exit she used. Skipped ahead, essentially, instead of coming back out where she went in and then just hunkering down for a while. Do we know for sure she went out at the time she went in? I don't recall.
Probably the best explanation I’ve got about this topic, thank you.
I hope the time travel place between works out well so they can use it to retcon the sequels, and then all the characters and events can be adjusted and have to play out again
One argument could be that he saved her by more like a time bridge. That when Ezra pulled her out of the moment on malachor he pulled her to his present. That in the flow of time she was existing within the world between worlds until she jumped back through, as in for her a few moments pass for everyone else a year or so went by, when she returns through the portal it's ezra's present day but malachor. Then it took her how ever long it took to get off the planet and back to everyone else, being unable to help Ezra till after the battle of lothal, when his trail went cold, perhaps even after endor. If she had returned to the time she left Vader would have still been on planet though weakened, but if a yearish later, then are there any space worthy vessels? She'd have to try and use her fulcrum frequency comms to try and reach someone in the Alliance, than said someone would have to confirm its her and get her a ride off planet. Her adventure could have easily taken till the end of RoTJ even potentially after jakku before she rejoined the rest. The Force only knows what path she took back. Alternatively Bail Organa was her prime contact in the alliance, she may have gotten off malachor around the time of scarif or yavin then felt the death of alderaan, heard about the hotshot pilot named skywalker that blew up the death star, and started researching more about him, perhaps always 2 steps behind, tatooine, bespin, maybe dagobah post yoda's death. All the while chasing leads on ezra too, she probably felt Anakin's redemption in the force. At some point she would probably make contact with Rex at least, who could catch her up with recent history. Then she hears rumblings of Thrawn again, and starts the Ezra hunt, since Luke really doesn't need her at that time. leading into mando 2 and BoBF. Long winded I know just some thoughts. Nice video.
She was stranded on Malachor from WBWs until she met up with Sabine to find Ezra, post ROTJ
well, i agree it was not a good idea to introduce time-travel as it and all the paradoxes and effects that came with it, seems to already takes its toll on the audience it seems^^ no offense ;) But the "Mon Mothma solution" makes perfect sense and is absolutely acceptable in such a vast galaxy/universe
There's a Quote from Stargate that I love to use in situations like this. "The future is predetermined by the nature of those who shape it." Basically, you do have free choice, you can make the decision to do something else. But you won't, because that's not who you are.
Rebels fills much of the gaps for Ashoka , as for when she met Luke I would put it before Luke went to Jabba to save Han. Luke & Leia would give off a very familiar feeling in the force that Ashoka would sense, she may not know they are siblings, they didn’t know at that time either, but would know they are force sensitive. She could help Luke in making his lightsaber ( finding the kyber crystal needed for it to work ) she would also help him in his training . She is no Jedi so no issues there but she would be able to tell Luke many of the adventures she shared with Anakin . Arming Luke with knowledge of how great his father was and why Luke would choose to save his father Anakin not simply try to defeat Darth Vader.
My question for the writers is where was Ashoka during Endor ?
We already had a paradox that destroyed Star Wars, the Disney purchase.
Beat me to it...
Simple answer when Ahsoka was returned to her proper past she was stuck on Malachor with out any ship to get off planet and was stuck there till at some point she was rescued
...Ahsoka also gets the staff from the armorer at some point after it has been modified to no longer be able to pierce mandalorian armor by using some of it to create Grogu's beskar chain male...
In the words of Temporal investigations
"Temporal mechanics it gives me a headache"
-Startrek
I think it would be dope if Ahsoka used it again but didn’t tell anyone. She’s wise enough not to tamper with too much but it would be something that only she knows how to access (aside from Ezra)
We do not know "when" Ashoka left the World Between Worlds.
It is totally possible that after being saved by Ezra she left the World Between Worlds at some point between the battle of Endor and Mandalorian.
This completely ties up all lose ends about why she was not in the galaxy for Luke's trilogy.
Did Ashoka and Morai choose, or the force just willed WHEN she left the World Between Worlds?
That final scene in Twilight of the Appreciate where we see her going through some triangle portal could have been years after the temple collapsed.
I think you’re assuming that when Ahsoka leaves the world between worlds, she will then be back at the same point in time from which she came. If that’s how it works that doesn’t really make sense to me. The impression I got is that she’d now be in what we perceive as Ezra’s present. That she’d just skip ahead two years, and thus there is no threat of a paradox.
Time travel is such a murky plot device simply because anything can be “fixed” using it. Yeah it distorts the current reality but that isnt the point when its applied, the effect is to get the desired outcome.
Then you get inconsistencies such as where are ppl…, why didnt this person…, what are the rules…, why hasnt anyone prior/has anyone prior…
Its a thread that can quickly unravel a story than it keepa things together. That said i think stat wars kept it well and fine by restricting it to a nexus location and connecting it to the Force Family (father, son and daughter).
An interesting point of the story is that why is there such a nexus in the force, is it a tool of the Whils to affect the galaxy? Where there ever previous force wielders who used this place? In the grand scheme anything made must serve a purpose so what/who’s purpose did the World Between Worlds serve?
I'm cool with time travel as a mechanic only if it has clearly defined rules within its own universe, whatever those rules might be. Philosophically, there's not much difference between the prophecy within Star Wars and time travel. Information from one time goes to another and can affect an outcome. Luke leaves Degobah upon having a vision of his friends in danger. This information from the future causes him to act in a particular way. If the physical time travel sticks to these principles, it could work in a limited fashion.
11:28 To my understanding!
I think she went to the World Between Worlds in her time because she wanted to know what happened in Season 3.
In other Words! She binge watch the entire Star Wars Rebels Season 3 in the WBW! 😄😂
Ezra literally said to her she missed alot.
So... In order to know what she missed, she must learn them.
Maybe she found out about Thrawn because she study him in the WBW? 😄🤔
More like a time observatory for a watcher or a gallery that overlooks specific events.
I guess I just see the force as a more mystical thing. I don’t think Ezra could have went through just any portal, I’m pretty sure morai opens it. We have had this thread of Mortis dangling for so long, and when it finally comes in handy people get upset. I don’t think it’s out of the possibility that there is a place where all time and space comes together. I could be wrong but what I think is that morai was the one who saved her. She is the one who opened the portal just like palpatine was able to show Ezra what he wanted as a way to open the door. Honestly we don’t even know if Ezra would really be able to save Kanan, or if going through would have just opened the door to palps. Not only that but they establish Ezra’s connection to animals, plus when he sees her he says “what are you showing me”. I don’t see it as some time travel thing where you can just go anywhere at anytime, but rather a gateway that only powerful beings, or those connected to them, can enter.
As long as it is never used again, or at least it is never trivialized as something easy to access or something the characters can rely on to fix whatever they like. I can accept that time travel is possible in Star Wars
I always felt the natural thing to do with world between world is use it to save Cassian and Jyn, bringing them to the post Endor Time of the Galaxy.
That would have brought Rebels a lot of attention, they could still do it with Ahsoka or even Andor.
After watching the two episode endings, I think there is room for the theory that Ahsoka may have returned to Malachor at the same time Ezra retuned instead of returning to the past. I'm basing this on the fact that the Owl is in two different positions. If so, then there is no chance for paradox because she is now stuck in the future. As for the other window I think it is a trick from the Emperor. If he pulls Kanan out, he is really pulling the Emperor in.
"Obi-Wan first met Ahsoka during the Battle of Christophis.
At first, Obi-Wan thought Ahsoka was going to be his apprentice, until Ahsoka revealed that she was assigned to be Anakin's apprentice.
Later, Obi-Wan told Anakin off for being so harsh with her and told him to cut her some slack."
"Strangely enough, Ahsoka is originally meant to be Obi-Wan's second Padawan, not Anakin's first. Obi-Wan puts in a request for a new apprentice from the planet Christophsis shortly before the beginning of the 2008 animated film, "Star Wars: The Clone Wars." When Ahsoka arrives, Obi-Wan introduces himself as her new master before Ahsoka corrects him and announces that she's actually been assigned to Anakin."
"One of the most interesting aspects of Obi-Wan and Ahsoka's relationship is the fact that he's basically her Jedi "Grandfather." Jedi are trained one-on-one, passing their teachings from master to student over the course of generations. Because of this, for as much as the Skywalker saga focuses on the titular family, it is perhaps more accurate to describe it as following a specific generational line of Jedi that Ahsoka is proud to belong to."
"When Obi-Wan and Anakin fight Count Dooku in "Attack of the Clones," they are, in a sense, fighting family. Jedi aren't meant to form attachments or know their biological relatives, and as a result, the relationships between master and apprentice are often the closest thing they have to parental bonds. Whenever Ahsoka is instructed in the ways of the Force, she is hearing the echoes of all the Jedi who came before her, whether she's hearing them directly from Obi-Wan or through Anakin."
"Though this might seem like an unorthodox way to put it, Obi-Wan basically helps Anakin raise Ahsoka. Over the course of the war, the three of them work together on many different missions."
"Ahsoka mourns Obi-Wan following the bloody rampage of Order 66, which is made all the more tragic by the fact that Obi-Wan isn't actually dead. Unbeknownst to either character, they both survive the Great Jedi Purge and go on to oppose the Empire in their own ways. Only Bail Organa and Yoda know that Obi-Wan goes into hiding on the planet Tatooine to protect his former pupil's son, Luke. But even though Ahsoka eventually joins forces with Bail Organa and works closely with him in forming the Rebellion, he never reveals Obi-Wan's fate. The existence of Anakin's children is simply too important to risk telling anybody, even Ahsoka."
www.looper.com/626954/ahsoka-tanos-relationship-with-obi-wan-kenobi-explained/?
the movie interstellar by christopher nolan also shows the time travelling thing quite well, although not explaining it that well
Surely the world between worlds will happen again, that's what's going on in Ahsoka right? That's how there's an ancient map leading leading to the location of thrawn who went missing a few years ago? Ezra/someone used the world between worlds to leave a message or something behind way back in the past?
My theory is I think you can only change things while in motion and only if your in the world between worlds and can see everything in there's not past and present just in motion
In my opinion I still think she should have died in Clone Wars as a result of the Jedi asking her to something very dangerous for them and her death be used as an extra catalyst for Anakin to turn against them.
You should do a what if series of "what if Luke enlisted in the empire like he originally wanted to"
Probably ends up like Han and Biggs, eventually jumping ship for the Rebellion (which he was also excited about--really, he just wanted to get off that dustball of a planet, haha)...Although one wonders if the name "Skywalker" would have caught anyone's eye?
It is timetravel. Just because we haven't seen what happens if Ezra didn't drag her out, she could have injured Vader more and turned him, or left him and went out to seek answers or of course she could have died. One of those did happen and Ezra changed that. I myself think that Ahsoka new Anakin so well in his fighting style so she could stand up to him for a bit and left him sad and disapointed to try and figure out what went wrong and try to find a way to turn him back.
Which I hope she shared with Luke before RTJ. Why didn't they go back to before the clone wars or order66 and grap Palpatine WBW is timtravel you can effect the past
First, yeah, it happened: This is Time Travel, and no clever semantic tricks can change that.
Second, I would have preferred they not bring it in. Few franchises handle time travel well. Those that do are headed by one creative person, ensuring the story stays focused and paradoxes are not introduced. Whether we like or dislike SW post Battle of Endor, the story definitely has internal consistency issues.
Finally, I don't know if there is a fix for this. I will reserve judgement, until I see what Mr Filoni and the story team do over the next few years. I suspect he had plans for her: One of those was that Vader should kill her, but I doubt that was the end of it.