anyone who wants to criticize the french way of riding, i learned to ride in france and they treat their horses much better than the english. the style of riding is a lot longer and looser and more relaxed- you can even see this in top level eventers. There is also much more opportunities for pasture as they aren't so pushed for space as in the UK
Is there much to choose between them? They both ride with far too much pressure on the mouth, use horrible flash nose bands and the like to stop the mouth gaping from the pain, and don’t give release often enough or sometimes at all. For most riders in both countries that appears to be the norm. Haute école is haute école all over the world, and although impressive manoeuvres are often done, too many horses are ridden behind the vertical for long periods. My remarks are general and I realise most riders think this is normal and absolutely fine.
mia animals150 and guess what the spurs or whips you use do to hackamores do to BAREBACK riding does to shoeing is bad for the horses feet metal is bad for the horse if you want to say bits are bad fine but maybe you should stop riding if you really care for the horse
I’m French and I have been riding for a very long time, and I can tell you that the horses are extremely well maintained and don’t suffer at all. In the video we can see that all this is happening in Saumur at the " Cadre Noir " I've been there several times and the horses are treated like the cream of cream so all those who say it’s abuse and the horses suffer is that you have not seen these horses with your own eyes and have no experience.
Do they ever get to enjoy being out in pasture? That’s my only concern, these horse look very taken care of and healthy but a horse could never be happy locked in a stall all it’s life... I hope that’s not the case and they at least get to go out everyday or every other day...
Can everyone stop with the unnecessary crit? Stop condemning an aspect of a culture you barely know. I know people want to cry 'abuse' but just stop. It doesn't matter, you're not helping or doing anything but stir up drama.
mia animals150 there not pulling on the bits and yes bits hurt but it will never change you don't go and scream at the people 100 years ago that use horses as a car? No you and guess what? They used bits. Really. Big. Bits
Rolkur / over flexion is clear is this video but it is a global problem in the sport... Bits do not hurt ,hard hands hurt the horse. Bits help reinforce positive contact which promotes correct carraige (vital for the horses health when riding)
Omg the only person the has any experience with horses and it is very clear me and mia animals150 I have been riding for two years and sure hard hands is part as well also just because it’s been used for 100 does not make it okay your clearly blind and don’t know anything about the real world, abuse and/or horses
Angie Gordon I have been riding and training horses for 13 years now. Hence i have the experience to back upmy knowledge.Not all bits are cruel. It is way worse to ride a horse incorrectly or ride a horse without teaching it proper self cariage than it is to ride with a bit. Bitless bridles can be way worse than bits in the wrong hands.
I see a great many people who dislike the movements which imitate rearing, bucking, and both at the same time, and a great many who consider this to be a great effort on the horse's part, but they do it all the time in pastures and with a human on their backs. Though I do not condone bronco riding, those horses can keep up this bucking-rearing-jumping combo for minutes with very little risk of injury besides physical exertion, so really, when done in a controlled manner, this shouldn't be an issue at all?
There's so much ignorance in these comments. The horses in this clip are not in pain, they are in a high level of cooperation with super skilled riders. This happens after years of fine training of both horse and man. Had this training been hurtful, the end result could not have been achieved. To an outsider it might look as though the horses are held back forcefully by the reins and the bit but they are actually seeking contact with the rider through the bit to create balance and collection necessary for the different motions. I would love to train at the Cadre Noir.
one of them did, actually, around 0:56. the person guiding from the ground just stepped to the side and then resumed position behind him. if a horse poops while you're mounted it doesn't really matter, you just keep going. if they need to pee they will stop and you wait for them to finish. you clean the arena after your ride.
I don't see any horse that is being ridden with it's head tied up. For the one were they do the tricks on the horse(I don't know what it's called in english) it is to keep the head down. Why? Because it is incredibbly difficult to do 'gymnastics' on a horse and it gets even more difficult if the horse is moving it's head. They try to keep the head down for safety of the athletes on his back.
it was a halfpass. steeper angle and horse bent in direction of movement. horses body isnt straight either - shoulders slightly lead the hindquarters - a 3 track movement
Gosh the horses are so overbent with such heavy pressure on the bit! Makes me sad. Impressive performances, but horses were born to run free and we can go with them riding bitless if we learn to ride in tune without using force
I don't see any horse that is being ridden with it's head tied up. For the one were they do the tricks on the horse(I don't know what it's called in english) it is to keep the head down. Why? Because it is incredibbly difficult to do 'gymnastics' on a horse and it gets even more difficult if the horse is moving it's head. They try to keep the head down for safety of the athletes on his back.
the reins are a restriction. fashion goals mean let the horses stretch their necks by holding the reins as long as they will go. but I understand it for vaulting (gymnastics on horseback)
they're not holding their heads back. if you look at the reins in any clip in this video they are not held tightly, they're just not loose. you shouldn't have your reins flapping around when you ride, that's both dangerous and confusing for the horse - if you're riding with your reins held out as long as they can possibly go, you have no contact and no control and that's really bad riding. a horse has to bring its head down to engage their hind legs. that's just how spines work, you can't arch it backwards (lifting the head up) and then expect to be able to move your limbs comfortably underneath you. if anything riding a horse through these movements with an improper arch to the neck causes pain, incorrectly developed muscles, and guarantees future discomfort and injury in your horse. there's like 1 or 2 horses shown that are behind the vertical (also bad), but it's brief snippets and when they're shown again their head carriage is fine. just because a horse occasionally tucks its chin while doing a particularly involved movement doesn't mean they're being yanked back into that position, horses rarely keep their head completely still while they're moving and neither do you.
Hailey curbo i've been riding 5 years, in not a dressage worker or anything, and it's not the hand. the hooves aren't meant to prance around and press the ankles into the footing like that, it just looks horrible to me like Tennessee walking horses.
If a horse doesn't like something, he is going to let you know, trust me. In dressage it is important to use hands and stick the least you can, therefore you are going to use your upper body and feet much more. Horses feel that and answer well to it whereas if you use your hands, you are going to find yourslf on the floor!
Vivi & Mandy do you realize how well taken care of they are? They are extremely happy. Even the horse with tensing muscles they took her to straight care and acupuncture? Their dressage moves are extremely relaxed and the riders hands are very soft. Learn what you're talking about before commenting on one of the best riding schools.
This is not elegance, this is selfish misuse of a horse. You are obviously careless about how your horses feel. This is discussing and selfish. Poor horses.
They do this in the Spanish riding school as well. This is not special to them. I do love the correctness here compared to how the FEI has mutilated it in compition.
anyone who wants to criticize the french way of riding, i learned to ride in france and they treat their horses much better than the english. the style of riding is a lot longer and looser and more relaxed- you can even see this in top level eventers. There is also much more opportunities for pasture as they aren't so pushed for space as in the UK
At the stables I go to in the UK the horses get to spend all the time they want out in the pastures if it is not to cold
Both conventional styles are awful
Is there much to choose between them? They both ride with far too much pressure on the mouth, use horrible flash nose bands and the like to stop the mouth gaping from the pain, and don’t give release often enough or sometimes at all. For most riders in both countries that appears to be the norm. Haute école is haute école all over the world, and although impressive manoeuvres are often done, too many horses are ridden behind the vertical for long periods. My remarks are general and I realise most riders think this is normal and absolutely fine.
to the people calling this abuse, these horses are treated so so well, they are looked after and are loved
And well trained x
Y do people call this abuse?! Horses love being ridden and love having a connection with the rider. Those who say this is abuse have no clue
its abuse because the bit is pulled so hard so their chin is on their chest BITS HURT
mia animals150 and guess what the spurs or whips you use do to hackamores do to BAREBACK riding does to shoeing is bad for the horses feet metal is bad for the horse if you want to say bits are bad fine but maybe you should stop riding if you really care for the horse
It's about the restrictions on the mouth and neck. There is much unnecessary pulling and pain
I suggest you all read about French style before commenting. Horses respect and well-being are the key words.
Look at pics of rollkur, this is far from it.
I’m French and I have been riding for a very long time, and I can tell you that the horses are extremely well maintained and don’t suffer at all.
In the video we can see that all this is happening in Saumur at the " Cadre Noir " I've been there several times and the horses are treated like the cream of cream so all those who say it’s abuse and the horses suffer is that you have not seen these horses with your own eyes and have no experience.
Do they ever get to enjoy being out in pasture? That’s my only concern, these horse look very taken care of and healthy but a horse could never be happy locked in a stall all it’s life... I hope that’s not the case and they at least get to go out everyday or every other day...
Saumure is a very small town in the Loire Valley. They get to spend a month or two outside.
Oui, ils seront autorisés à l'extérieur
wow c'est incroyable, de tels mouvements gracieux!
The horse is one of the emblem of France.
Can everyone stop with the unnecessary crit? Stop condemning an aspect of a culture you barely know. I know people want to cry 'abuse' but just stop. It doesn't matter, you're not helping or doing anything but stir up drama.
All the people calling this abuse have clearly no experience with horses
are you blind do you see how much they are pulling on the bit it hurts them
mia animals150 there not pulling on the bits and yes bits hurt but it will never change you don't go and scream at the people 100 years ago that use horses as a car? No you and guess what? They used bits. Really. Big. Bits
Rolkur / over flexion is clear is this video but it is a global problem in the sport... Bits do not hurt ,hard hands hurt the horse. Bits help reinforce positive contact which promotes correct carraige (vital for the horses health when riding)
Omg the only person the has any experience with horses and it is very clear me and mia animals150 I have been riding for two years and sure hard hands is part as well also just because it’s been used for 100 does not make it okay your clearly blind and don’t know anything about the real world, abuse and/or horses
Angie Gordon
I have been riding and training horses for 13 years now. Hence i have the experience to back upmy knowledge.Not all bits are cruel. It is way worse to ride a horse incorrectly or ride a horse without teaching it proper self cariage than it is to ride with a bit. Bitless bridles can be way worse than bits in the wrong hands.
I see a great many people who dislike the movements which imitate rearing, bucking, and both at the same time, and a great many who consider this to be a great effort on the horse's part, but they do it all the time in pastures and with a human on their backs. Though I do not condone bronco riding, those horses can keep up this bucking-rearing-jumping combo for minutes with very little risk of injury besides physical exertion, so really, when done in a controlled manner, this shouldn't be an issue at all?
over 75% (approx) of the horses in this video broke at the wrong part of the neck. goes to show how much they rush that part of training.
Absolutely beautiful
Horses are beating and majestic animals
yes horses a beautiful in their natural way this on the other hand it´s painful
Wow some of these are super talented!!!
There's so much ignorance in these comments. The horses in this clip are not in pain, they are in a high level of cooperation with super skilled riders. This happens after years of fine training of both horse and man. Had this training been hurtful, the end result could not have been achieved. To an outsider it might look as though the horses are held back forcefully by the reins and the bit but they are actually seeking contact with the rider through the bit to create balance and collection necessary for the different motions. I would love to train at the Cadre Noir.
Tout les français ne monte pas comme cela. Le cadre noir est spécialisé en dressage. En aucun cas les chevaux sont mal traiter.
my french culture project for class is going to be fun
i do rideing at mjm but after the compatiskon im going to golden gate
v nice show well come rajasthan india village safari
what if the horse pooped?
one of them did, actually, around 0:56. the person guiding from the ground just stepped to the side and then resumed position behind him.
if a horse poops while you're mounted it doesn't really matter, you just keep going. if they need to pee they will stop and you wait for them to finish. you clean the arena after your ride.
I feel bad for the horses cuz their heads are all tied up but I love how well taken care of they are
I don't see any horse that is being ridden with it's head tied up. For the one were they do the tricks on the horse(I don't know what it's called in english) it is to keep the head down. Why? Because it is incredibbly difficult to do 'gymnastics' on a horse and it gets even more difficult if the horse is moving it's head. They try to keep the head down for safety of the athletes on his back.
Dorothy Discocamp yes but when they are not being ridden they should not have their heads tied up even when they are preforming
it is also safety for the horse. With their head and neck this way they avoid to put pressure on the neck and back, they feel also more relaxed
English riding is the
Best,I like western but English is easier,safer and rider has more contact with a horse
Megica Pegica hahah nope
English riding is not safer, nor easier, than western. Neither are safe sports and it all depends on the horse and rider, not the discipline
Go and visit the Cadre Noir, you could be surprised!!!
does anyone here know of any french equestrian youtubers? ones that speak french
I've been there
Courbette is incorrect
I do vaulting and it amazing
"One of the riding schools' special moves" My fat ex-riding school cob can leg yield...it's not really that special...
Mine too!
it was a halfpass. steeper angle and horse bent in direction of movement. horses body isnt straight either - shoulders slightly lead the hindquarters - a 3 track movement
All I’m saying is the bit tho…
Gosh the horses are so overbent with such heavy pressure on the bit! Makes me sad. Impressive performances, but horses were born to run free and we can go with them riding bitless if we learn to ride in tune without using force
Lol we want the horses to not buck but these people want there horses to buck I do barrel racing and pole bending
GIVE YOUR HORSE ITS HEAD!!! It's an animal not a machine!!😡
Fashion Goals 😑😑😑
I don't see any horse that is being ridden with it's head tied up. For the one were they do the tricks on the horse(I don't know what it's called in english) it is to keep the head down. Why? Because it is incredibbly difficult to do 'gymnastics' on a horse and it gets even more difficult if the horse is moving it's head. They try to keep the head down for safety of the athletes on his back.
the reins are a restriction. fashion goals mean let the horses stretch their necks by holding the reins as long as they will go. but I understand it for vaulting (gymnastics on horseback)
they're not holding their heads back. if you look at the reins in any clip in this video they are not held tightly, they're just not loose. you shouldn't have your reins flapping around when you ride, that's both dangerous and confusing for the horse - if you're riding with your reins held out as long as they can possibly go, you have no contact and no control and that's really bad riding.
a horse has to bring its head down to engage their hind legs. that's just how spines work, you can't arch it backwards (lifting the head up) and then expect to be able to move your limbs comfortably underneath you. if anything riding a horse through these movements with an improper arch to the neck causes pain, incorrectly developed muscles, and guarantees future discomfort and injury in your horse. there's like 1 or 2 horses shown that are behind the vertical (also bad), but it's brief snippets and when they're shown again their head carriage is fine. just because a horse occasionally tucks its chin while doing a particularly involved movement doesn't mean they're being yanked back into that position, horses rarely keep their head completely still while they're moving and neither do you.
They are literally teaching horse how to rear and buck not some fancy moves xD
Glitterr Unicornn they’re old fighting moves from the napoleonic time
is it just me or does this look incredibly painful :(
Hailey curbo i've been riding 5 years, in not a dressage worker or anything, and it's not the hand. the hooves aren't meant to prance around and press the ankles into the footing like that, it just looks horrible to me like Tennessee walking horses.
Hailey curbo thanks for the info, i appreciate it, cheers
Hailey curbo ☺️
it is painful for the horses, they work the horses in a unnatural way that puts a lot of pressure on the muscles and spine.
If a horse doesn't like something, he is going to let you know, trust me. In dressage it is important to use hands and stick the least you can, therefore you are going to use your upper body and feet much more. Horses feel that and answer well to it whereas if you use your hands, you are going to find yourslf on the floor!
poor horses -.-
Vivi & Mandy do you realize how well taken care of they are? They are extremely happy. Even the horse with tensing muscles they took her to straight care and acupuncture? Their dressage moves are extremely relaxed and the riders hands are very soft. Learn what you're talking about before commenting on one of the best riding schools.
Haley Carter those hands that are "soft" are forcing a lot of horses btv
Haley Carter that's what they told you n the video ;)
Hailey curbo it's only poor horses cause most of these horses are btv
Vivi & Mandy Do you ever seen a ,,real horse in the stable" ? :)
This isn't French. This is dressage and stuff from the Vienna riding school
Vienna Scool uses andalucian riding which is different from french riding developped in the Royal Versailles Stables in the 16th Centuary
I feel bad for the horses I hate how in dressage they have their heads tied up...it doesn't look fancy
Horsesare heaven I does only when they do it naturally
horsesare heaven yeah same but i have to do it cause i have dressage horses and they like doing it so i have to do it
sure horses love having their head in that position with sharp metal bits in their mouths while being unable to move natural -.-
Wow more online trainers.
This is not elegance, this is selfish misuse of a horse. You are obviously careless about how your horses feel. This is discussing and selfish. Poor horses.
PITBULLS 4 LIFE preach🙌🙌
J'avoue que meme moi je comprends pas!
You clearly are nobody to judge how those horses are treated... you know nothing!
Clémence M A Retailleau so how much do you know?
Clémence M A Retailleau one word, ROLKUR, you can see it throughout
They do this in the Spanish riding school as well. This is not special to them. I do love the correctness here compared to how the FEI has mutilated it in compition.
Pulling on them like that hurts them and it's abuse
No one is pulling on anything. Chill.
Rolkur
There is literally no rollkur here.
Stop eating horses.
Best meat ever!!!
french style? more like abusive style
Esmeralda Mahmic I guess you can say that everything is abusive if this is
Little you know about horses apparently, and understand. The horses of the Cadre Noir are treated like princes.