Similar situations could happen in the USA, too. In my very decent neighborhood, one neighbor runs a landscaping company from his home. Another cuts tile for his business. This is a neighborhood with just sub-million dollar homes. So, selfish knucklehead neighbors can be a thorn in any country. In Ecuador, they feel they have an inherent right to blast music - or raise chickens - think of a rooster crowing at odd hours. The real answer for the USA or Ecuador is to get a very big property and put your house in the middle of it maximizing distance from neighbors. It's also paramount that one doesn't buy a property blindly. When I was looking to buy a property in Rhode Island, I visited in person and saw that the neighbor had a humongous stack of firewood and stacked trees. He sold cords of wood. What a nightmare that would have been to have bought the house to find out that the log splitter and chainsaw would be part of the ambiance. Same thing for a neighbor with loud motorcycles or a car repair business or hobby. Nuisances are universal. Not just specific to Ecuador.
I respectfully disagree….the US is not Ecuador and for those who choose to buy and live here have to realize this is a foreign country. Many responses from expats trying to compare X city from where they come from to the safety and criminal issues here have obviously not been victimized in this country. I can say this because I used to be the person who would snub “gated communities” and intitially lived in some bubble. Fifteen years later petty and serious home robberies , and an armed home invasion have changed my mind….these acts have only been increasing and most are never heard about nor discussed in these forums.
You pretty much described life in rural Missouri, where I live (now)...The issue might be more about how familiar people are with living in a rural community anywhere vs suburban/urban.. You make valid points, don't get me wrong, but they are not exclusive to Ecuador
I mean to be honest, most of this stuff happens in the rural US as well, and the police dont do anything cause "Privite property" or "No proof"... Ive have had many many experinces
I'm on the fence with this topic. We spent our first 4 months in Cuenca, and the past 9+ years in rural Ec. We would never consider an urbanization or gated community and have never had an issue in all this time. If you buy a lot then you can expect anything next door. Give yourself enough space and that isn't so much an issue. We are friendly with our indigenous neighbors and at least in our instance we watch each others backs. My suggestion is research the area you are buying into, thoroughly. Actually the only incident we ever experienced was a road rage thing where a local tossed a bottle at us from his truck shattering a window in our car. But that is a whole other issue.
iam leaving threw a similar senario,I have a beautifull home in crucita which includes two lots right and left , well guess what,my vecino across the street decided to open a training fighting rooster gymnasium. now every time i stay there which is about once a year for less then a month i have to wear noise cancelling head phones if i want to sleep. I look forward to the day that i loose my hearing therefore i will be leaving by the beach full time and nothing will be of concern . que viva lindo ecuador and specially Crucita la bella.
I happen to love roosters and have definitely had some at the finca, along with hens and other livestock, but I can see where this quantity of roosters could be a big problem, especially on weekends or if the gamecocks are kept there for any length of time. This is a situation kind of unique to Ecuador and as few other countries because cockfighting is outlawed in the US. A few people still raise gamecocks to export to the Philippines, Dominican Republic, etc. but they usually live pretty far out in the country, because of noise regulations. No roosters of any kind are allowed within city limits....in most US counties. Gamecocks can be pretty expensive chickens, but they're quite self-reliant and are really healthy. No bird flu worries. They have sometimes escaped and become feral, as in Kauai and a couple places in Florida. People either love or hate the feral chickens, which maintain their beauty....but are noisy. Just rambling on about a rather unique noise problem.... Don't really have any solutions. On the farm, I pretty much tune out roosters, but that's probably because I like 'em. Hard to do when they're not your roosters....
An Ecuadorian friend of mine, married to a US diplomat had a single family home in Quito. Thieves created fake documents and took possession of the home. It took YEARS to get it back at great expense.
We live in el campo. I have planted many things, flowers trees, bushes, etc. Our farming neighbors will tie their cows just so they can come over a few meters on our property. They trample anything I have planted. Also, when we weren't here, they drove a tractor through my newly planted grass to get to one end of a field. Totally rutted up the yard and killed much of the new grass. If only they had asked, I could have shown them how to get there without destroying my yard. So now, we must build a fence so that I may plant things along my property boundary.
That’s the first thing I did when I moved to my 35 acre property, was to build a fence. A fence defines your property line and prevents incursions. Good fences make good neighbors.
We've had a bad experience with the rumble strips put in on the highway right in front of the property where we were living. You hear that constantly as traffic goes by. Also, friends have had problems with people raising pigs right on the other side of the wall of their property. Roosters are another problem. Some people love the sound, some of us don't.
I bought a standalone house and I couldn’t be happier with the decision. Gated developments are targeted by the thieves ALL the time, IMO much more than standalone houses, plus the owners are constantly embattled in court about any issue you can imagine. Yes I have barking dogs and all night parties any day of the week, but it’s also true for gated communities. Maybe it varies depending of the area. Maybe it depends of the area, but a lot of gated communites have wrong or no documentation regarding their status (propiedad horizontal), bylaws etc. This leads to problems when selling, or when there’s any legal dispute. I’d rather be in my standalone house.
This is definitely a point. The right to do as you will with property is very strong down here in South America. Just keep the burglars out. Often the local people will respect you more if it's obvious that you're doing something with the land, rather than if you're elderly, for example. (As alluded to elsewhere). So, if you invest in a farm, grow some crops or have some farm animals. Even noisy ones like roosters. Beware that if your goats bust through the fence and go on the neighbor's property, the neighbor might feed them a little bit and claim that what were your goats are his....Good fences make good neighbors. These ideas wouldn't work for short-term flipping, renovating, or property ownership, but they would work for a long-term resident interested in hobby farming, independent living, etc.
This is like one of those "which one doesn't fit" games, the brothel standing out. Brothels are quiet and discreet, so what's the problem? All the others would be a real problem.
many of these exist in any rural community... in canada i drive by a chicken farm... and guess what, it smells terrible often. and they have neighbours...
Owning property anywhere is very risky. At least one neighbor is always a problem. I really don't understand why people think house ownership is great. Everybody wants a mortgage -- another trap.
I would say most of these expat properties are either owned outright or they might have only a small mortgage, like 25%. Banks in Ecuador (and Colombia) don't make mortgage loans the same way that US banks do. Properties are strongly tied to families in Ecuador, because people don't buy, sell, and move like they do in the US. This, they often stay in the family for generations. Multiple members of extended families often pitch in financially to hold an interest in a finca, or, more commonly, multiple sons and daughters of a deceased former owner all share ownership of an inherited property as Herederos. Some families will outright own a property, but take out a personal loan to expand the house, even building a second storey. These loans are for materials only, and the bank assumes that the family will do the work, or have a minga (everyone all pitches in, like an old-fashioned barn raising) for a big workday. I would advise against a mortgage in Ecuador, if you can even get one as an expat! Property values move a lot more slowly than in the United States, and interest rates are a lot higher.
@@dollyllamaranch Yes we happened into that category, a grandma died, then our parents. I think there's over a hundred people now entitled to a piece of that land!
Ok, you bring all kind of negative situations and you know where I live in Cayo but where are the solutions , you don’t bring them up. Listening to you is like wherever you lived , you’re not happy in Ecuador and you’ll never be happy in Ecuador because THIS is Ecuador no matter what, where and when , when you come to Ecuador you must expect everything you mentionned and live with it . But people listen and read what International Living published and join Facebook group of expats wearing pink glasses and not talking or very litttle about safety, security at home, on the street , in public transportation and we all know that Gringos especially elderly ones are perfect targets for thieves . They can’t run after them and often they are distracted and not aware of their surroundings…so , we all need to be aware of what’s going on and be careful in our little paradise…
You nailed it today in your video. I've lived between 2 towns, Otavalo and Ibarra, for almost 10 years. I was once robbed at one thirty in the morning, even though I lived in a gated community. If the thieves want what we have, they'll find a way to get it. The police in this town don't have a data base, dusting for fingerprints is a waste of time and the police have actually said that if what was taken does not amount to at least $800.00 then they will not pursue the crime. I was also told by the police that if our neighbor is being out of control that they are unable to do anything about it as they are not permitted to go on private property to address the issues.
@@lloydkaipainen2317 No friend, the basic amount to be considered a crime pela is a basic salary, something like more than 400 dollars, if you steal more than 400, rest assured that the thief will be arrested for 1 to 3 years, if you steal less than 400, forget it do not waste time reporting ha better be careful with your things
Yea well your conclusion ONLY applies to Guayaquil. I have lived in Ecuador for over 7 years now. I have been all over the country. I have never run into ANY problems anywhere. Yes I speak Spanish. But your claim gives people a jaded view of Ecuador that is really NOT true. Sure the big cities can have crime issues but that can be said of most of the world. ECUADOR in reality has FAR LESS issues than the U.S..😮😮😮
Interesting and valid points and I admit I have seen a number of these myself in Ecuador. However, living in an urbanisation in an identikit home is what many gringos are trying to move away from right? The crime situation certainly seems to be increasing which is concerning as they doesn't seem to be any incentive to prevent it at the time of writing this and that would probably be the number one reason for people to live in a gated community to lessen the risk. Perhaps you could also give 10 reasons to recommend loving in more rural areas as well ? Thanks
On a personal level, they are essentially nonexistent. You can defend yourself, but if you injure the assailant "excessively", you can be charged. However, it is interesting that vigilantism is codified.
The bees were likely Africanized. The rest is pretty much standard third world situations. So the moral for expats retiring to 3rd world countries is you'll have to find ways to leverage your financial advantage to protect yourself. If you are going to be living on a tight budget you should consider a more orderly country such as Thailand or Indonesia.
Hey man how is the Ecuadorian government's current Covid stance? Pretty much the only reason I have not made the move yet is because I am tired of the insane covid crap
I live in southern Cuenca in a barrio with the Policía Nacional. Our houses are town houses connected and we all have high walls, cameras, and electric wiring. It’s a professional neighborhood of doctors and professors. On my right my neighbor had chickens and a rooster. Since I am originally from a rural area I like hearing them. My neighbor on my left is a prostitute and her clients frequently ring our door bell. Her dogs bark a lot but I am used to it now. Everyone knows what is going on but no one confronts her. We do confront her about her dogs, though. My objection to rural Ecuador is how they discipline thieves or anyone misbehaving. I saw one young man tied to a pole and his feet were set on fire. They strip people naked and whip them. The police say the communities have the right to their own form of judgment but they can’t cause permanent physical damage. Many times the police are their to keep the punishment under control. No thank you. I lived in rural America and no one acted like this.
This is “indigenous justice”, a traditional and effective way to deal with thieves. I wish it would be applied where I live, as the thieves, even apprehended in the act, in 99% of the cases, go free a d keep stealing the next day.
That punishment is very deterrent haha I mean it, in those communities nobody enters to steal, they are afraid of punishment, the indigenous people have their own laws and their communities are very safe, you will not want to face hundreds of angry indigenous people haha
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Similar situations could happen in the USA, too. In my very decent neighborhood, one neighbor runs a landscaping company from his home. Another cuts tile for his business. This is a neighborhood with just sub-million dollar homes. So, selfish knucklehead neighbors can be a thorn in any country. In Ecuador, they feel they have an inherent right to blast music - or raise chickens - think of a rooster crowing at odd hours. The real answer for the USA or Ecuador is to get a very big property and put your house in the middle of it maximizing distance from neighbors. It's also paramount that one doesn't buy a property blindly. When I was looking to buy a property in Rhode Island, I visited in person and saw that the neighbor had a humongous stack of firewood and stacked trees. He sold cords of wood. What a nightmare that would have been to have bought the house to find out that the log splitter and chainsaw would be part of the ambiance. Same thing for a neighbor with loud motorcycles or a car repair business or hobby. Nuisances are universal. Not just specific to Ecuador.
I respectfully disagree….the US is not Ecuador and for those who choose to buy and live here have to realize this is a foreign country. Many responses from expats trying to compare X city from where they come from to the safety and criminal issues here have obviously not been victimized in this country. I can say this because I used to be the person who would snub “gated communities” and intitially lived in some bubble. Fifteen years later petty and serious home robberies , and an armed home invasion have changed my mind….these acts have only been increasing and most are never heard about nor discussed in these forums.
You pretty much described life in rural Missouri, where I live (now)...The issue might be more about how familiar people are with living in a rural community anywhere vs suburban/urban..
You make valid points, don't get me wrong, but they are not exclusive to Ecuador
Very helpful info for my personal interests. Thank you Mr Second Passport👌
I'm in Texas, this all sounds like rural anywhere.
I mean to be honest, most of this stuff happens in the rural US as well, and the police dont do anything cause "Privite property" or "No proof"... Ive have had many many experinces
I'm on the fence with this topic. We spent our first 4 months in Cuenca, and the past 9+ years in rural Ec. We would never consider an urbanization or gated community and have never had an issue in all this time. If you buy a lot then you can expect anything next door. Give yourself enough space and that isn't so much an issue. We are friendly with our indigenous neighbors and at least in our instance we watch each others backs. My suggestion is research the area you are buying into, thoroughly. Actually the only incident we ever experienced was a road rage thing where a local tossed a bottle at us from his truck shattering a window in our car. But that is a whole other issue.
Agree...if you dont own it you don't control it...rule #1 in any environment...
iam leaving threw a similar senario,I have a beautifull home in crucita which includes two lots right and left , well guess what,my vecino across the street decided to open a training fighting rooster gymnasium. now every time i stay there which is about once a year for less then a month i have to wear noise cancelling head phones if i want to sleep. I look forward to the day that i loose my hearing therefore i will be leaving by the beach full time and nothing will be of concern . que viva lindo ecuador and specially Crucita la bella.
Interesting! But not surprising.
I happen to love roosters and have definitely had some at the finca, along with hens and other livestock, but I can see where this quantity of roosters could be a big problem, especially on weekends or if the gamecocks are kept there for any length of time.
This is a situation kind of unique to Ecuador and as few other countries because cockfighting is outlawed in the US. A few people still raise gamecocks to export to the Philippines, Dominican Republic, etc. but they usually live pretty far out in the country, because of noise regulations. No roosters of any kind are allowed within city limits....in most US counties.
Gamecocks can be pretty expensive chickens, but they're quite self-reliant and are really healthy. No bird flu worries. They have sometimes escaped and become feral, as in Kauai and a couple places in Florida. People either love or hate the feral chickens, which maintain their beauty....but are noisy.
Just rambling on about a rather unique noise problem....
Don't really have any solutions. On the farm, I pretty much tune out roosters, but that's probably because I like 'em. Hard to do when they're not your roosters....
An Ecuadorian friend of mine, married to a US diplomat had a single family home in Quito. Thieves created fake documents and took possession of the home. It took YEARS to get it back at great expense.
OMG! If it wasn't for bad luck you wouldn't have any luck at all! So, don't live in small towns and rent just in case! Thanks.
We live in el campo. I have planted many things, flowers trees, bushes, etc. Our farming neighbors will tie their cows just so they can come over a few meters on our property. They trample anything I have planted. Also, when we weren't here, they drove a tractor through my newly planted grass to get to one end of a field. Totally rutted up the yard and killed much of the new grass. If only they had asked, I could have shown them how to get there without destroying my yard. So now, we must build a fence so that I may plant things along my property boundary.
That’s the first thing I did when I moved to my 35 acre property, was to build a fence. A fence defines your property line and prevents incursions. Good fences make good neighbors.
@@605pilot agreed. We got tge surveyor out with the neighbors, marked the line and I started the fence that day.
We've had a bad experience with the rumble strips put in on the highway right in front of the property where we were living. You hear that constantly as traffic goes by. Also, friends have had problems with people raising pigs right on the other side of the wall of their property. Roosters are another problem. Some people love the sound, some of us don't.
I bought a standalone house and I couldn’t be happier with the decision. Gated developments are targeted by the thieves ALL the time, IMO much more than standalone houses, plus the owners are constantly embattled in court about any issue you can imagine. Yes I have barking dogs and all night parties any day of the week, but it’s also true for gated communities. Maybe it varies depending of the area. Maybe it depends of the area, but a lot of gated communites have wrong or no documentation regarding their status (propiedad horizontal), bylaws etc. This leads to problems when selling, or when there’s any legal dispute. I’d rather be in my standalone house.
You desceibed gringo subdivisions in which case I would concur. Glad it worked out for you living standalone i still would not recommend it for most.
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There's the age old tradition of sending your primo to have a word with encroaching neighbors. 🤔
uhhhh all these things are actually good things as it represents freedom and personal property rights
Not if u are investing
This is definitely a point. The right to do as you will with property is very strong down here in South America.
Just keep the burglars out. Often the local people will respect you more if it's obvious that you're doing something with the land, rather than if you're elderly, for example. (As alluded to elsewhere).
So, if you invest in a farm, grow some crops or have some farm animals. Even noisy ones like roosters. Beware that if your goats bust through the fence and go on the neighbor's property, the neighbor might feed them a little bit and claim that what were your goats are his....Good fences make good neighbors.
These ideas wouldn't work for short-term flipping, renovating, or property ownership, but they would work for a long-term resident interested in hobby farming, independent living, etc.
So the ideal situation is to rent a place before you buy it....
This is like one of those "which one doesn't fit" games, the brothel standing out. Brothels are quiet and discreet, so what's the problem? All the others would be a real problem.
many of these exist in any rural community... in canada i drive by a chicken farm... and guess what, it smells terrible often. and they have neighbours...
Who would think rural communities would try to live off land?
Owning property anywhere is very risky. At least one neighbor is always a problem. I really don't understand why people think house ownership is great. Everybody wants a mortgage -- another trap.
Agreed. It makes sense if prices raising 20% a yr like the last few in the USA.
I would say most of these expat properties are either owned outright or they might have only a small mortgage, like 25%. Banks in Ecuador (and Colombia) don't make mortgage loans the same way that US banks do.
Properties are strongly tied to families in Ecuador, because people don't buy, sell, and move like they do in the US. This, they often stay in the family for generations.
Multiple members of extended families often pitch in financially to hold an interest in a finca, or, more commonly, multiple sons and daughters of a deceased former owner all share ownership of an inherited property as Herederos.
Some families will outright own a property, but take out a personal loan to expand the house, even building a second storey. These loans are for materials only, and the bank assumes that the family will do the work, or have a minga (everyone all pitches in, like an old-fashioned barn raising) for a big workday.
I would advise against a mortgage in Ecuador, if you can even get one as an expat! Property values move a lot more slowly than in the United States, and interest rates are a lot higher.
@@dollyllamaranch
Yes we happened into that category, a grandma died, then our parents. I think there's over a hundred people now entitled to a piece of that land!
Ok, you bring all kind of negative situations and you know where I live in Cayo but where are the solutions , you don’t bring them up. Listening to you is like wherever you lived , you’re not happy in Ecuador and you’ll never be happy in Ecuador because THIS is Ecuador no matter what, where and when , when you come to Ecuador you must expect everything you mentionned and live with it . But people listen and read what International Living published and join Facebook group of expats wearing pink glasses and not talking or very litttle about safety, security at home, on the street , in public transportation and we all know that Gringos especially elderly ones are perfect targets for thieves . They can’t run after them and often they are distracted and not aware of their surroundings…so , we all need to be aware of what’s going on and be careful in our little paradise…
What small town were you located?
You nailed it today in your video. I've lived between 2 towns, Otavalo and Ibarra, for almost 10 years. I was once robbed at one thirty in the morning, even though I lived in a gated community. If the thieves want what we have, they'll find a way to get it. The police in this town don't have a data base, dusting for fingerprints is a waste of time and the police have actually said that if what was taken does not amount to at least $800.00 then they will not pursue the crime. I was also told by the police that if our neighbor is being out of control that they are unable to do anything about it as they are not permitted to go on private property to address the issues.
I have heard the $$ amount for theft has to be $2k.
That said sounds like a misdemeanor not really taken seriously in the states vs here.
Just saying.
@@lloydkaipainen2317 No friend, the basic amount to be considered a crime pela is a basic salary, something like more than 400 dollars, if you steal more than 400, rest assured that the thief will be arrested for 1 to 3 years, if you steal less than 400, forget it do not waste time reporting ha better be careful with your things
Yea well your conclusion ONLY applies to Guayaquil. I have lived in Ecuador for over 7 years now. I have been all over the country. I have never run into ANY problems anywhere. Yes I speak Spanish. But your claim gives people a jaded view of Ecuador that is really NOT true. Sure the big cities can have crime issues but that can be said of most of the world. ECUADOR in reality has FAR LESS issues than the U.S..😮😮😮
Interesting and valid points and I admit I have seen a number of these myself in Ecuador.
However, living in an urbanisation in an identikit home is what many gringos are trying to move away from right?
The crime situation certainly seems to be increasing which is concerning as they doesn't seem to be any incentive to prevent it at the time of writing this and that would probably be the number one reason for people to live in a gated community to lessen the risk.
Perhaps you could also give 10 reasons to recommend loving in more rural areas as well ?
Thanks
good to know ..thanks,
What about roosters and chickens?
Allowed. Sometimes, even in town.
What are the Self Defense Laws in Ecuador?
On a personal level, they are essentially nonexistent. You can defend yourself, but if you injure the assailant "excessively", you can be charged. However, it is interesting that vigilantism is codified.
@@billobrien4680 Thank-You
Manta dogs are insane and nobody seems to care when they bark and fight all day and all night.
Sounds like a whiney gringo that the neighbors didn't like.
The bees were likely Africanized. The rest is pretty much standard third world situations. So the moral for expats retiring to 3rd world countries is you'll have to find ways to leverage your financial advantage to protect yourself. If you are going to be living on a tight budget you should consider a more orderly country such as Thailand or Indonesia.
Hey man how is the Ecuadorian government's current Covid stance? Pretty much the only reason I have not made the move yet is because I am tired of the insane covid crap
6 out of ten in my neighborhood, Oahu. Waiting the brothel , hahaha
Hah i went to UH, i know what you mean!
They really don't like YOU!
I live in southern Cuenca in a barrio with the Policía Nacional. Our houses are town houses connected and we all have high walls, cameras, and electric wiring. It’s a professional neighborhood of doctors and professors. On my right my neighbor had chickens and a rooster. Since I am originally from a rural area I like hearing them. My neighbor on my left is a prostitute and her clients frequently ring our door bell. Her dogs bark a lot but I am used to it now. Everyone knows what is going on but no one confronts her. We do confront her about her dogs, though. My objection to rural Ecuador is how they discipline thieves or anyone misbehaving. I saw one young man tied to a pole and his feet were set on fire. They strip people naked and whip them. The police say the communities have the right to their own form of judgment but they can’t cause permanent physical damage. Many times the police are their to keep the punishment under control. No thank you. I lived in rural America and no one acted like this.
This is “indigenous justice”, a traditional and effective way to deal with thieves. I wish it would be applied where I live, as the thieves, even apprehended in the act, in 99% of the cases, go free a d keep stealing the next day.
Curious as to what the young man whose feet set on fire was and that would seem like permanent physical damage.
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That punishment is very deterrent haha I mean it, in those communities nobody enters to steal, they are afraid of punishment, the indigenous people have their own laws and their communities are very safe, you will not want to face hundreds of angry indigenous people haha
@@lloydkaipainen2317 Not so much, they are light punishments, water with salt on the back and lashes, nothing more
Indigenous people have their own rules in Ecuador. You shouldn't mess with them.
Welcome to Planet Earth.
thanx Mr.2-PP !!
People are HELL !!