Let me explain how this came to be. I wrote and recorded my whole feature on this song as a DEMO, which I sent to the ERB guys. They liked it so much they wanted to use it straight away, no changes. What you hear on the final recording is my original demo. Hannibal's bars never even existed when I recorded this!
The "I hate that you're sloppy" line is one of the heaviest hits in the battle for me. Jack spent half his lines boasting about the bloodbaths he made, only for Hannibal to compare him with a messy child.
“I’m real.” Ends the battle immediately. Gouging it in that he’s never been caught in real life but mr fictional character over here did. Driving the metaphorical thumbs in deeper that Lecter’s been largely replaced in the mainstream consciousness, while Jack still has the world’s attention. Jacks uniquely allowed to sit there and prop himself up because in this battle, only one of them existed, and only one of them was never caught.
Mind you though, Jack only committed 5 murders (and one is questionable) and then disappeared. Hannibal killed about twice that many (that was known at the time) and got caught mainly by chance and a rather gifted detective. Real or not, Jack was so sloppy in his means and methods, he would have been caught had he continued. Lecter only got caught because the author wanted it that way. And, Lecter was able to break out and never got caught again. Think Jack would have escaped if he’d been caught?
"I'm the bon vivant of violence, a licensed psychiatrist who dines on highest society to the sound of violins." is a fucking _bar._ Hot damn, how they can hold a meter like that is impressive.
Lectre's line about Jack being covered in piss is a reference to how notoriously filthy and unsanitary Victorian London was, as it was still common at the time for many residents to simply dump chamber pots out of windows into alleys and streets.
@@unicyclist97 INDEED! I came on here to say JUST that! I mean, sure enough it may very well have to due with the poor sanitation methods of London during that time period BUT I heard about the "escaping through the sewers" theory as well YEARS ago😲
@@KilroyWasHere83I think that's too deep to be the actual reference. Victorian England was a very unsanitary time, and that's what I think he was referencing.
You mentioned how hannibal was breaking him down psychologically, but it was even more than that, by critiquing his verse in real time it basically rebuttals everything and makes him come off as an amateur while hannibal is teaching him how it works. That works for the crowd listening just as much as it works on his opponent. Its bad enough when you can rebuttal a line like with jack and his "IM REAL!" its even harder when you can just say, "Your line was trash, it ruined everything you did, sit down, you embarrass yourself."
I think these two actually compliment each other really well. Jack's strength is his myth, Jack builds that up. Lecter's strength is his psychiatric breakdowns which they let blossom from Jack's self absorbed first verse. Then Jack's rebuttal is that even after all his chest puffing, he still has a claim to being real and successful, where Lecter is fictional and imprisoned. Lecter keeps leaning on his breakdown style but has to pivot to puff himself back up. They have strengths of their own, but have to cross over into the other's style to keep the battle even.
Jack the Ripper was definitely real. The mystery is in who he definitely killed as some murders were associated with his MO. The 5 murders most strongly linked to him are known as the “Canonical Five”
The was a book (one of the few "Ripper" books I don't own, so I forget the name) that suggested the murders were unrelated, and that newspapers of the day invented a multiple murderer to sensationalize and drive up sales, but it seems unlikely that such gory, dismembering/ eviscerating murders just randomly started happening in a small area of London.
@@michaelwinkle4480 Not to mention that it was the newspapers themselves that came up with the name "Jack the Ripper". When police received a letter from the killer, which was covered in cryptic symbology, it was only signed 'From Hell'.
@@michaelwinkle4480 as someone who has researched this extensively at least 4 of the canonical 5 were kill by Jack. They’re too similar in MO, maybe Liz Stride wasn’t as Katherine Eddows was killed so closely after her. It’s possible someone just took advantage of the Ripper murders to get away, but even that was close to Jacks MO. After Mary Jane Kelly, it’s hard to say, though I think it’s possible he got one other kill in after her.
This particular ERB is a great example of something that happens for me a lot with these battles. Every so often in an ERB there's one Bar or series of Bars that decides the battle for me, even if the opponent should win by any other metric. Hannibal absolutely destroyed Jack here, but Jack's whole scheme of "I'm real and never got caught, you're fictional and spent most of your novels in Jail" puts both characters on such different levels that to me makes Jack win this by default. It's kinda hard to explain, but this happens to me with several ERBs, other great examples include Guy Fawkes feeling bad for Che becoming merch, Tolkien explaining that fantasy is meant to be unrealistic, and Luke describing how Harry stole his entire backstory.
Sometimes if a line or bar is clever enough it'll get put on the same shelf as a gnarly diss, I know Scru assesses disses higher than any bar, but I'm personally a sucker for great wordplay
I might be thinking too deep into this but, here goes. I think that Hannibal’s second to last verse has two meanings. “I don’t mind that you’re naughty Jack,I hate that you’re sloppy.” The first meaning goes back to Jack’s style of “madman”. Earlier in the battle, he himself pointed out that he would be knee-deep in blood and gore, and that the victims families would be weeping and scrubbing floors. Jack’s style of being a madman, when compared to Hannibal’s ,is more sloppy. The second meaning has to do with the way the rap battle took place. During the first half of the rap battle, Jack spent his entire verse, building himself up without taking any shots at his opponent. But then, in the second half, he actually tried to take some shots at his opponent, but could not make up for lost ground. So Hannibal may also have been criticizing Jack for being sloppy in his style of rapping
Fire as always Scru! You're the genuine reason I continue to love rap and the battle rap scene. I literally love writing bars because of you. I love your reactions and I damn well love your music. Please keep doing this, and thank you so much for having the positive energy I need to get me through my rough days.
I thought Jack the Ripper actually rapped better overall, but they just didn’t give him enough actual disses for him to win this one. It’s a rap battle for a reason
Funnily enough, his Nickname he DID come up with. He notoriously wrote letters to the police force (and even sent them a victim's kidney) and he signed off his letters with "-Jack the Ripper"
Now Vince will probably make some bars about the animal treatments, lobster boy, the Fiji mermaid, the Hartfield circus fire, the greatest showman as a whole, the treatment of the various sideshow acts that let's just say weren't the best, and probably comparing his shows to cirque du solei and how they are still going strong while the Ringling brothers circus closed their doors around the mid 2010s.
6:25 In Victorian England (not long ago), urea (urine) was used as a bleaching agent for laundry. “Your British body’s covered in more piss than kitty litter” is speculation based on that bit of gross trivia.
Said it before, and I'll say it again If ERB ever hits Scru up for another ERB, they NEED to get him to play Static. He's a dead ringer for the character with a clean-shaven face. Maybe get him against Nice Peter playing the role of Raiden from Mortal Kombat?
What I liked most about this battle is the characterization. Picking Jack the Ripper apart fits so well for a psychologist. So analyzing him made a lot of sense. Jack never stood a chance, because Hannibal was the smarter one.
Hard to get around the fact that one dude doesn't even exist, *AND* got caught only to spend decades in jail. While the other dude is the most famous serial killer ever, and never got caught, in real life lmfao.
You know what occurs to me? A battle isn't just about the attacks, it's about the movement, the footwork. _"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee."_
Quite the unfair fight then. It would be like trying to win a court case when the opposing lawyer has already seen your entire argument and given time to form counter-points.
Dan Bull's talent for rhyming it's insane. Please revisit "Zeus Vs. Thor", that one needs to have a 2nd watch, the disrespect and wordplay on that one it's also crazy.
I think the “your British body’s covered in more piss than kitty litter” line references the lack of public restrooms/hygiene/general cleanliness during the Victorian era, since it was so common to piss on buildings and the like that buildings sustained structural damage and had to constantly come up with ways to discourage people from pissing on them, like making slanted walls that would cause the piss to splash back
I feel like you missed the subtle hit in his first line with "Following you way before the Dawn of Twitter" It's a word play. Jack the Ripper killed at night, primarily. So he's making a reference and some wordplay there...and he's also making a dig at Hannibal by saying he's already hunting him and Hannibal hasn't realized it, it's kind of like the serial killer version of styling on him.
Im pretty sure the punch "covered in more piss than kitty litter" is poking fun at how back then in Victorian England, Hygiene was almost non existent. So he's basically saying Jack's dirty.
This stays as my favorite ERB ever. Love the horror vibes behind their portrayals and the music. If you have a new ERB re-reaction to posy Monday for Halloween, I think Stephen King vs. Edgar Allen Poe would be an appropriate choice.
I do think it's important to keep in mind that these verses are written in conjunction with both sides. I would tend to believe that Dan Bull and the ERB team deliberately constructed Jack the Ripper's first verse to be full of chest thumping, so as to set up Hannibal for that brutal first line. I don't disagree that it makes it Hannibal's battle -- although I think Jack's second verse comes out absolutely balling with "I'M REAL" -- but it feels like it was a slightly artificial handicapping of Jack to make the character work of both stronger.
I absolutely believe this as well, it totally plays into Jack the Ripper as a person. He was a murderer who sought attention, who wanted infamy. It makes total sense to me that he'd just talk about himself.
@@craftsecond I don't know about a CLEAN win...Dan wrote his whole side before he EVER heard what Hannibal was gonna say..in real time you get to hear what they say so you can make a rebuttal... Did Hannibal Win, Sure easily, did each play to their character, 100%. It's one of my top 3 ERB EASY. That being said I can't call the win 100% clean.
If ERB did Jeffrey Dahmer, I can see them doing a serial killer vs serial killer battle and then having someone like The Punisher or Rorschach (Watchmen) show up at the end to kill off all the other sickos in the battle.
"following you way before the dawn of twitter"... Such an Underrated line out the gate from jack... Referring of hand to him stalking woman at night before the birds sing in the morning.
For me, Jack's second verse took it. When Jack laid out that Hannibal was just a character in a novel, and Jack never got caught, unlike Hannibal, that set a hill that was too high for a fictional convict to overcome.
5:51 Scru's Hannibal impression is hilarious lol. Also, a bit surprised that Scru didn't mention that after Hannibal starts to "roast" Jack in his 2nd, Jack just straight away rebuttals with "I'm real!", which is 🔥 and funny af.
I love how you know your stuff man you get the references makes it so much better when you compare the people/characters! Great video brotha have a good one!
Thanks for the vid Scru, I think it would be awesome to get to see you make a vid for Larry Bird vs Big Bird. Real fun one, and I think with that you'd have made a reaction to pretty much all of their Rap Battles. Your story of going from one of their most famous reactor, to becoming homies with the guys, to starring in what's objectively one of their absolute best battles, well I think it's inspiring bruh for real. Having all the reactions completed would be another cool milestone, hope we can see it soon! Peace bruh, and congrats on your success.
Since we're on the legend Dan Bull, I've been craving a reaction to his Dishonored 2 rap. You talk about his rap and rhyming but that track has one of the best written verses I've heard
I want to point out that the bar "following you way before the dawn of twitter, im a human trigger warning" could also be a double because birds are notorious for waking us up (light singing birds or roosters etc)
I love Dan as a rapper, he really does things nobody else even attempts. But in both ERBs he was in, I just don't think he's meant for battle rapping. Now I don't know if this was written for him or not, but it honestly just wasn't fair.
“I’m real.” Ends the battle immediately. It doesn’t even matter how good Lecters lines were. Jack can sit there and be a megalomaniac all he wants, because in reality, he actually existed
Whether or not the character is fictional should not be any sort of deciding factor in an ERB. There are too many with mixed fictional character vs. historical character that would become pointless to watch if "real" always beat "fictional". Instead it has to do with how well the writers and actors work within the constraints they are given to convince the audience who should be declared the winner. There are definitely examples of winners on both sides.
@@edwardblair4096 Exactly. It would make ERB super boring if being “real” was always a decisive factor. Besides, if you are real, why go and argue with a fictional character? Wouldn’t you seem super stupid for that?
@@edwardblair4096 No, it actually kinda does work. It depends on what you're comparing. Here, you're comparing their accomplishments, which means everything that Hannibal has ever done amounts to nothing. If he focused on bragging about how famous his character is or how inept Jack was, then there's still room for a competition. But instead, he focused on how he's a superior serial killer except all the people he killed and things he did were fake. None of it never happened. He's about as much of a serial killer as Christian Bale was in American Psycho. Meanwhile in Darwin vs Ash, they weren't comparing their accomplishments but their character, which is why it's such a good battle. They just tore each other down and it was a vicious bloodbath. Of course it's always better when both characters are real or fictional because they're on even territory, but there's definitely still room for a contest if it's one of each.
Not really. All this does is fail to account for the worlds in which these murders were committed. There was no CCTV in Victorian England, no DNA evidence and the police had close to no idea what they were doing. Compare that the the world of Hannibal Lecter. The Silence of the Lambs is set in 1986, the same year DNA evidence started being used, although he had been caught beforehand because he didn’t finish off Will Graham who was working on his case. Despite this, Hannibal racks a total of 62 murders in the series, and escapes prison on multiple occasions. This being compared to Jack’s confirmed 5 of prostitutes who wouldn’t have been investigated in much depth. It’s pretty easy to see who has the greater track record in terms of being able to kill people. Sure, one of them was real, but sometimes it’s easier to get away with things in real life than they are in stories.
In my opinion, Jack's entire first round was one gigantic diss to Hannibal. He refused to engage him at all because he wasn't real. Therefore, it was all about Jack. :)
6:10 From what I know, the whole "body covered in more piss than kitty litter" bar is a note toward how victorian england never had working toilets in houses, the town would have a singular or a pair of outhouses that the entire street would use to dispose of their waste and such. Could be wrong, but I'm 80% sure that's what the bar was about.
Since no one explained it i will. The piss bar is a reference to when victorian england isnt really sanitary. And they use human piss for a lot of things back then, also british buildings have this thing called pee barriers they put it because drunks will usually relieve themselves in alleys and the side of buildings and the piss barrier is there to basically reflect back the pee to the person peeing. Hence "covered in more piss than kitty litter". It can also be a double as kitty is another slang for the woman's private parts.
I always say, beside Hannibal won this one, Jack really took the bad4ss gangsta attitude with the 7/7 line BTW, the Julia Child vs Gordon Ramsay definitely needs to be revisited
I'm thinking the line where he was saying " Cause your British body is covered in more piss than kitty litter" is more so a dig at Jacks timeline. The lack of common indoor plumbing meant that a lot of people still had piss buckets and shit pots that would be tossed out at any time. Though I could be mistaken, just a guess on my part.
If you think about it Lector was in control of the battle from the start to the finish. Everything jack did, it didn’t matter, hannibal had an answer and he could read jack like a book.
Didn't see your original reaction, but this, bar none, is my favorite battle they ever did. It's not their best, no, but damn just listening to it is so good. The rhyming and wordplay is so satisfying, even if the barbs aren't as good, and that delinquent to victorian england rhyme? *Chef's kiss* Seriously though, ignore my comment and go check out Dan Bull's, because his is amazing. I hope it gets pinned.
The deeper part; Hannibal is a psychiatrist, so not only is he providing therapy, he's literally picking Jack part, and revealing that he's merely a child chasing headlines and wanting a name. He's Hannibal's patient.
I love everything about this ERB. One of the best thing's I like about it though is the damn Instrumental 🔥🔥. When the beat starts flowing decently fast with that guitar in the back 🔥🔥🔥🔥.
Hey can you react to "Walt Disney vs Shigeru Miyamoto" by Epic Rap Battle Parodies? I know it's not an official ERB episode, but it's still a really good rap battle, and the cinematography is like ERB-level quality! Not to mention many of the bars are, as you would say "Don Demarco Bang Bang!"
In my opinion, Jack's entire first round was one gigantic diss to Hannibal. He refused to engage him at all because he wasn't real. Therefore, it was all about Jack
Scru you should consider reacting to some of the princess rap battles there are some really good ones you missed. Leia (Star Wars) vs Galadriel (Lord of the Rings), Hermoine (Harry Potter) vs Katniss (Hunger Games), and Daenerys (Game of Thrones) vs Maleficent are all great battles.
The last line from Hannibal Lector's first verse is not true at all, the infamous "Dear boss" letter that the killer sent to the police in 1888 was signed "Jack the Ripper", that was when the name was first introduced to society and people all around the world were and still are referring to the notorious killer as Jack the Ripper.
In regards to Jack, he was real, they never could confirm what kills were his and what weren't, and to top it off, there were around half a dozen or so suspects nobody ever figured out who was Jack though. Personally, I think it was whichever prince was a suspect. (Its been several years since I looked into it so I don't remember the name)
The 7/7 bar had more than one meaning. The one Jack talks about is the bombings that took place on July 7th, 2005. But giving a peace sign with your hand facing you is as bad as giving someone the bird in the US. The French did it to taunt the British after they started cutting off the first two fingers in the captured longbowman.
The "body's covered in more piss than kitty litter" line is probably because, during medieval times, there were no sewers/flushing toilets so people used to do their business either in a hole, in a bucket and then dispose of it out the window, or they'd just go in the street and be covered with a towel for privacy. It made the streets smell and most of the time it would land on passers by if it was disposed of out the window. Even when it got to the victorian times, toilets and sewage were still an issue for lower class people. And lower class British people in history are just known for not bathing well and/or believing things like bathing in pee would cure certain illnesses or was good for your skin. Its a pretty smart history buff line
Roosevelt vs Churchill would be a good one. And so would Che vs Guevara and Jobs vs Gates and Tolkien vs Martin. I've always personally loved those ones.
Speaking of these two could you do or redo Roosevelt versus Winston Churchill that one was really good too and it's an even playing field because they were both real figures that actually lived at the same time
The thing with Jack the Ripper is that he wasn't a real person. It was the name they attached to an unknown person they thought committed a series of murders, but they honestly don't even know if it was all the same person who did it or if there were copycat killers following after earlier killings. Might be one person, might be several, might not even be a man tbh, though that's definitely most likely. Lecter even mentioned that in his lines when he said "These days your nickname is all that's even known." It's true. Jack the Ripper as he's perceived in modern times is just as made up as Hannibal Lecter.
That line about th kitty litter is due to the fact that Victorian England wasn't the most sanitary time, especially for lower class families. If you want a decent example of Victorian England, look at gameplay of Assassins Creed: Syndicate. May not be 100% accurate but it provides a good enough backdrop for these kinds of rhymes.
the piss line is because in england in the victorian era they used piss to clean things because it has acid in it so they thought it would sterilise things
Let me explain how this came to be. I wrote and recorded my whole feature on this song as a DEMO, which I sent to the ERB guys. They liked it so much they wanted to use it straight away, no changes. What you hear on the final recording is my original demo. Hannibal's bars never even existed when I recorded this!
That's impressive that you got a first draft pick on your lines. The cipher is still awesome!
I didn't even realise that was you
Your first draft demo still sits in the top top echelon of the best verses that have ever come through ERB, diss-centric or not.
Guess you'll just need to do another one to show what's what Dan 😁 what a shame for us 🥳
That explains a lot actually :O Neat.
The "I hate that you're sloppy" line is one of the heaviest hits in the battle for me. Jack spent half his lines boasting about the bloodbaths he made, only for Hannibal to compare him with a messy child.
Thats where I was at with this bar as well i was about to comment this and seen you did already respect 💯
“I’m real.” Ends the battle immediately.
Gouging it in that he’s never been caught in real life but mr fictional character over here did. Driving the metaphorical thumbs in deeper that Lecter’s been largely replaced in the mainstream consciousness, while Jack still has the world’s attention.
Jacks uniquely allowed to sit there and prop himself up because in this battle, only one of them existed, and only one of them was never caught.
Mind you though, Jack only committed 5 murders (and one is questionable) and then disappeared. Hannibal killed about twice that many (that was known at the time) and got caught mainly by chance and a rather gifted detective. Real or not, Jack was so sloppy in his means and methods, he would have been caught had he continued. Lecter only got caught because the author wanted it that way. And, Lecter was able to break out and never got caught again. Think Jack would have escaped if he’d been caught?
true but you could also say Hannibal was sloppy enough to get caught
That is classic Lector. :)
"I'm the bon vivant of violence, a licensed psychiatrist who dines on highest society to the sound of violins." is a fucking _bar._ Hot damn, how they can hold a meter like that is impressive.
Chef's 💋
Also, just try rapping it yourself. It's _so_ satisfying! Especially when each word is spoken so clearly.
@@jocosesonata 100% not only is it a great bar but it's also expertly put together. This is Big Pun level of flow!
@@razzprince2877 his face expresion of pure bliss also cheff kiss
Lectre's line about Jack being covered in piss is a reference to how notoriously filthy and unsanitary Victorian London was, as it was still common at the time for many residents to simply dump chamber pots out of windows into alleys and streets.
Also, I do believe that they really hadn't caught on to detergents back then, and urine was a readily abailable disinfectant.
And about Jack's method of escaping through sewers.
I think its also a reference to how during that time, British people would use Urine as bleach to wash clothes.
@@unicyclist97 INDEED! I came on here to say JUST that! I mean, sure enough it may very well have to due with the poor sanitation methods of London during that time period BUT I heard about the "escaping through the sewers" theory as well YEARS ago😲
@@KilroyWasHere83I think that's too deep to be the actual reference. Victorian England was a very unsanitary time, and that's what I think he was referencing.
You mentioned how hannibal was breaking him down psychologically, but it was even more than that, by critiquing his verse in real time it basically rebuttals everything and makes him come off as an amateur while hannibal is teaching him how it works. That works for the crowd listening just as much as it works on his opponent. Its bad enough when you can rebuttal a line like with jack and his "IM REAL!" its even harder when you can just say, "Your line was trash, it ruined everything you did, sit down, you embarrass yourself."
Hannibal fails though, he doesn't make an accurate assessment of Jack
Hannibal didn't fail, he made an accurate assessment of jack and you are coping
I think these two actually compliment each other really well. Jack's strength is his myth, Jack builds that up. Lecter's strength is his psychiatric breakdowns which they let blossom from Jack's self absorbed first verse. Then Jack's rebuttal is that even after all his chest puffing, he still has a claim to being real and successful, where Lecter is fictional and imprisoned. Lecter keeps leaning on his breakdown style but has to pivot to puff himself back up. They have strengths of their own, but have to cross over into the other's style to keep the battle even.
Dude, Hannibal Lechter won. Hands down. Jack the Ripper had his flow, but Hannibal dismantled his whole historical persona.
Still think this is my favorite beat erb ever made.
Also Hannibal dressing jack down for being sloppy was sooo good.
Glad you came back at this Scru!
Its between this beat and the Vlad The Impaler one
100% agree when the guitar comes in it’s just perfect timing
My favorites are the first 2 presidential battle raps, Monroe vs cleopatra, mlk vs ghandi, and hawking vs Albert E= MC²
I think the two erbs with Dan Bull had some of the best beats, but there’s plenty of other fire beats they’ve made
@@NixLotus that guitar riff was always the cherry on top for this erb
Jack the Ripper was definitely real. The mystery is in who he definitely killed as some murders were associated with his MO. The 5 murders most strongly linked to him are known as the “Canonical Five”
The was a book (one of the few "Ripper" books I don't own, so I forget the name) that suggested the murders were unrelated, and that newspapers of the day invented a multiple murderer to sensationalize and drive up sales, but it seems unlikely that such gory, dismembering/ eviscerating murders just randomly started happening in a small area of London.
@@michaelwinkle4480 Not to mention that it was the newspapers themselves that came up with the name "Jack the Ripper". When police received a letter from the killer, which was covered in cryptic symbology, it was only signed 'From Hell'.
@@michaelwinkle4480 as someone who has researched this extensively at least 4 of the canonical 5 were kill by Jack. They’re too similar in MO, maybe Liz Stride wasn’t as Katherine Eddows was killed so closely after her. It’s possible someone just took advantage of the Ripper murders to get away, but even that was close to Jacks MO. After Mary Jane Kelly, it’s hard to say, though I think it’s possible he got one other kill in after her.
Just cuz he is real doesn’t make him win
We know @@yumalove7223
This particular ERB is a great example of something that happens for me a lot with these battles. Every so often in an ERB there's one Bar or series of Bars that decides the battle for me, even if the opponent should win by any other metric. Hannibal absolutely destroyed Jack here, but Jack's whole scheme of "I'm real and never got caught, you're fictional and spent most of your novels in Jail" puts both characters on such different levels that to me makes Jack win this by default.
It's kinda hard to explain, but this happens to me with several ERBs, other great examples include Guy Fawkes feeling bad for Che becoming merch, Tolkien explaining that fantasy is meant to be unrealistic, and Luke describing how Harry stole his entire backstory.
The other way for me. It breaking kayfabe here and that is unforgivable
Sometimes if a line or bar is clever enough it'll get put on the same shelf as a gnarly diss, I know Scru assesses disses higher than any bar, but I'm personally a sucker for great wordplay
Please revisit Zeus vs Thor 🙏🏾
This is a good one to revisit as well
Yes fasho
I second this
I mean Zeus Vs Thor is probably the closest one to day. And one of the coldest. Probably my third favourite after ash Vs Darwin and j.r.r Vs j.r.r
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I might be thinking too deep into this but, here goes.
I think that Hannibal’s second to last verse has two meanings.
“I don’t mind that you’re naughty Jack,I hate that you’re sloppy.”
The first meaning goes back to Jack’s style of “madman”. Earlier in the battle, he himself pointed out that he would be knee-deep in blood and gore, and that the victims families would be weeping and scrubbing floors. Jack’s style of being a madman, when compared to Hannibal’s ,is more sloppy.
The second meaning has to do with the way the rap battle took place. During the first half of the rap battle, Jack spent his entire verse, building himself up without taking any shots at his opponent. But then, in the second half, he actually tried to take some shots at his opponent, but could not make up for lost ground. So Hannibal may also have been criticizing Jack for being sloppy in his style of rapping
Fire as always Scru! You're the genuine reason I continue to love rap and the battle rap scene. I literally love writing bars because of you. I love your reactions and I damn well love your music. Please keep doing this, and thank you so much for having the positive energy I need to get me through my rough days.
I thought Jack the Ripper actually rapped better overall, but they just didn’t give him enough actual disses for him to win this one. It’s a rap battle for a reason
The re-analysis idea is great, I mostly like how it gives the more complex bars a in depth look. Good show Mr. Mansa Musa!
Hi Scru! I think the Romeo and Juliet one, the Thanos and Oppenheimer one, and the Teddy Roosevelt one would make for great re-reviews
Eastern vs Western Philosophy. That battle was so damn dense with references going by in a flash.
Funnily enough, his Nickname he DID come up with.
He notoriously wrote letters to the police force (and even sent them a victim's kidney) and he signed off his letters with
"-Jack the Ripper"
I thought he signed them "from Hell" and just got given that name.
Ik I might be late to this, but didnt newspapers gave him that nickname first, and then he just proceeded to roll with it with next letters?
I love how Dan contorts words. What’s the ERB you want to see made most? For me it’s PT Barnum vs Vince McMahon
Mine is Willy Wonka vs Jigsaw
Now Vince will probably make some bars about the animal treatments, lobster boy, the Fiji mermaid, the Hartfield circus fire, the greatest showman as a whole, the treatment of the various sideshow acts that let's just say weren't the best, and probably comparing his shows to cirque du solei and how they are still going strong while the Ringling brothers circus closed their doors around the mid 2010s.
Mine is HP Lovecraft vs Junji Ito.
It's one of the options in the poll they made 2 years ago
For me... JUDGE DREDD VS JUDGE JUDY
Ed, Edd n Eddy Vs. The Three Stooges for me
"Cerebral Assassin" is a great phrase.
6:25 In Victorian England (not long ago), urea (urine) was used as a bleaching agent for laundry. “Your British body’s covered in more piss than kitty litter” is speculation based on that bit of gross trivia.
Said it before, and I'll say it again
If ERB ever hits Scru up for another ERB, they NEED to get him to play Static. He's a dead ringer for the character with a clean-shaven face. Maybe get him against Nice Peter playing the role of Raiden from Mortal Kombat?
Who’s Static?
@@SparlisStatic as in Static Shock the superhero
My favorite line in the whole damn rap is "Quit jacking off on the track and put the lotion in the basket!" Hell, that's in my top 10 ERB quotes EVER!
To this day, no other ERB beat has come close to being this good and perfectly fit for the two rappers.
Absolute perfection.
What I liked most about this battle is the characterization. Picking Jack the Ripper apart fits so well for a psychologist. So analyzing him made a lot of sense. Jack never stood a chance, because Hannibal was the smarter one.
Hannibal never stood a chance because Jack is actually real.
Hard to get around the fact that one dude doesn't even exist, *AND* got caught only to spend decades in jail. While the other dude is the most famous serial killer ever, and never got caught, in real life lmfao.
As soon as Jack points that out he pretty much has to win, the style and flow just make it easier to call
@@ExtraVictoryThat's retarded logic, that's like saying Hitler beat Vader.
@@ExtraVictory LMFA, you are coping so hard.
Fun fact Jack the ripper did come up with his own nickname he wrote a letter and at the end it said " Signed Jack The Ripper "
You know what occurs to me? A battle isn't just about the attacks, it's about the movement, the footwork.
_"Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee."_
Quite the unfair fight then. It would be like trying to win a court case when the opposing lawyer has already seen your entire argument and given time to form counter-points.
Dan Bull's talent for rhyming it's insane.
Please revisit "Zeus Vs. Thor", that one needs to have a 2nd watch, the disrespect and wordplay on that one it's also crazy.
But look at Dan Bull's comment on this video
I think the “your British body’s covered in more piss than kitty litter” line references the lack of public restrooms/hygiene/general cleanliness during the Victorian era, since it was so common to piss on buildings and the like that buildings sustained structural damage and had to constantly come up with ways to discourage people from pissing on them, like making slanted walls that would cause the piss to splash back
The Nerdcore Godfather is Richie Branson, evidence: The Wing Zero EP, The Cold Republic EP, and Otaku Tuesdays.
I feel like you missed the subtle hit in his first line with "Following you way before the Dawn of Twitter" It's a word play. Jack the Ripper killed at night, primarily. So he's making a reference and some wordplay there...and he's also making a dig at Hannibal by saying he's already hunting him and Hannibal hasn't realized it, it's kind of like the serial killer version of styling on him.
Im pretty sure the punch "covered in more piss than kitty litter" is poking fun at how back then in Victorian England, Hygiene was almost non existent. So he's basically saying Jack's dirty.
This stays as my favorite ERB ever. Love the horror vibes behind their portrayals and the music.
If you have a new ERB re-reaction to posy Monday for Halloween, I think Stephen King vs. Edgar Allen Poe would be an appropriate choice.
Funny how he said we never caught the zodiac and never knew who he was. We actually did find out who the Zodiac was, but he died a few years ago.
Scru you got to do Bond v. Powers! Nice Peter literally became Austin Powers, the performance alone is worth a revisit!!
I do think it's important to keep in mind that these verses are written in conjunction with both sides. I would tend to believe that Dan Bull and the ERB team deliberately constructed Jack the Ripper's first verse to be full of chest thumping, so as to set up Hannibal for that brutal first line. I don't disagree that it makes it Hannibal's battle -- although I think Jack's second verse comes out absolutely balling with "I'M REAL" -- but it feels like it was a slightly artificial handicapping of Jack to make the character work of both stronger.
I absolutely believe this as well, it totally plays into Jack the Ripper as a person. He was a murderer who sought attention, who wanted infamy. It makes total sense to me that he'd just talk about himself.
Actually not this one. Look at Dan Bull comment here. Its crazy.
@@zeroinfinity5864 Hot damn, I stand corrected! I do think it fits the character, but...Fair play, Hannibal's rap was pure response, clean win.
@@craftsecond Yeah its very interesting.
@@craftsecond I don't know about a CLEAN win...Dan wrote his whole side before he EVER heard what Hannibal was gonna say..in real time you get to hear what they say so you can make a rebuttal... Did Hannibal Win, Sure easily, did each play to their character, 100%. It's one of my top 3 ERB EASY. That being said I can't call the win 100% clean.
That “bon vivant” line is clean af
Churchill and Roosevelt still waiting for their Don Demarcos
If ERB did Jeffrey Dahmer, I can see them doing a serial killer vs serial killer battle and then having someone like The Punisher or Rorschach (Watchmen) show up at the end to kill off all the other sickos in the battle.
"following you way before the dawn of twitter"... Such an Underrated line out the gate from jack...
Referring of hand to him stalking woman at night before the birds sing in the morning.
For me, Jack's second verse took it. When Jack laid out that Hannibal was just a character in a novel, and Jack never got caught, unlike Hannibal, that set a hill that was too high for a fictional convict to overcome.
5:51 Scru's Hannibal impression is hilarious lol. Also, a bit surprised that Scru didn't mention that after Hannibal starts to "roast" Jack in his 2nd, Jack just straight away rebuttals with "I'm real!", which is 🔥 and funny af.
I love how you know your stuff man you get the references makes it so much better when you compare the people/characters! Great video brotha have a good one!
Need to do the Theodore Rosevelt vs. Winston Churchhill next. Dan does such a good job in that one.
The beat during the last line was tough as hell
Next one he should Redo is Winston Churchill vs Teddy Roosevelt
Thanks for the vid Scru, I think it would be awesome to get to see you make a vid for Larry Bird vs Big Bird. Real fun one, and I think with that you'd have made a reaction to pretty much all of their Rap Battles.
Your story of going from one of their most famous reactor, to becoming homies with the guys, to starring in what's objectively one of their absolute best battles, well I think it's inspiring bruh for real. Having all the reactions completed would be another cool milestone, hope we can see it soon! Peace bruh, and congrats on your success.
I don't even watch ERB's anymore. I only watch Scru's reactions to them, now. 🤣
I DO enjoy the reactions more than the original videos at times, but it's important to give ERB it's props by giving the original video a like.
Since we're on the legend Dan Bull, I've been craving a reaction to his Dishonored 2 rap.
You talk about his rap and rhyming but that track has one of the best written verses I've heard
Look at Dan Bull's comment on this video
I agree! The Dishonored 2 rap is insane. I want to see Scru lose it over a... certain series of words. lol.
I want to point out that the bar "following you way before the dawn of twitter, im a human trigger warning" could also be a double because birds are notorious for waking us up (light singing birds or roosters etc)
once again i luv these rewatches of erb scru cant wait for more of these rewatches to maybe catch more missed lines and new erbs
I love Dan as a rapper, he really does things nobody else even attempts. But in both ERBs he was in, I just don't think he's meant for battle rapping. Now I don't know if this was written for him or not, but it honestly just wasn't fair.
He really is much better in roosevelt vs churchill but definitely lost both battles. My favorite dan bull content is still his old skyrim raps.
Look at Dan's comment on this video. It explains so much.
“I’m real.” Ends the battle immediately. It doesn’t even matter how good Lecters lines were. Jack can sit there and be a megalomaniac all he wants, because in reality, he actually existed
Whether or not the character is fictional should not be any sort of deciding factor in an ERB. There are too many with mixed fictional character vs. historical character that would become pointless to watch if "real" always beat "fictional". Instead it has to do with how well the writers and actors work within the constraints they are given to convince the audience who should be declared the winner. There are definitely examples of winners on both sides.
@@edwardblair4096 Exactly. It would make ERB super boring if being “real” was always a decisive factor. Besides, if you are real, why go and argue with a fictional character? Wouldn’t you seem super stupid for that?
@@edwardblair4096 No, it actually kinda does work. It depends on what you're comparing. Here, you're comparing their accomplishments, which means everything that Hannibal has ever done amounts to nothing. If he focused on bragging about how famous his character is or how inept Jack was, then there's still room for a competition. But instead, he focused on how he's a superior serial killer except all the people he killed and things he did were fake. None of it never happened. He's about as much of a serial killer as Christian Bale was in American Psycho.
Meanwhile in Darwin vs Ash, they weren't comparing their accomplishments but their character, which is why it's such a good battle. They just tore each other down and it was a vicious bloodbath.
Of course it's always better when both characters are real or fictional because they're on even territory, but there's definitely still room for a contest if it's one of each.
@@NovusIgnis this guy gets it 🙏 thanks for putting it straight
Not really. All this does is fail to account for the worlds in which these murders were committed. There was no CCTV in Victorian England, no DNA evidence and the police had close to no idea what they were doing. Compare that the the world of Hannibal Lecter. The Silence of the Lambs is set in 1986, the same year DNA evidence started being used, although he had been caught beforehand because he didn’t finish off Will Graham who was working on his case.
Despite this, Hannibal racks a total of 62 murders in the series, and escapes prison on multiple occasions.
This being compared to Jack’s confirmed 5 of prostitutes who wouldn’t have been investigated in much depth. It’s pretty easy to see who has the greater track record in terms of being able to kill people. Sure, one of them was real, but sometimes it’s easier to get away with things in real life than they are in stories.
Love the videos man. Looking forward to seeing you on ERB again. 🙂
In my opinion, Jack's entire first round was one gigantic diss to Hannibal. He refused to engage him at all because he wasn't real. Therefore, it was all about Jack. :)
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From what I know, the whole "body covered in more piss than kitty litter" bar is a note toward how victorian england never had working toilets in houses, the town would have a singular or a pair of outhouses that the entire street would use to dispose of their waste and such.
Could be wrong, but I'm 80% sure that's what the bar was about.
Since no one explained it i will. The piss bar is a reference to when victorian england isnt really sanitary. And they use human piss for a lot of things back then, also british buildings have this thing called pee barriers they put it because drunks will usually relieve themselves in alleys and the side of buildings and the piss barrier is there to basically reflect back the pee to the person peeing. Hence "covered in more piss than kitty litter". It can also be a double as kitty is another slang for the woman's private parts.
I always say, beside Hannibal won this one, Jack really took the bad4ss gangsta attitude with the 7/7 line
BTW, the Julia Child vs Gordon Ramsay definitely needs to be revisited
Never let the psychologist go second! Love your reactions Scru!
Jack "The Rapper" Gibson was a pioneer in Black radio, as well as an innovator, a leader, and a mentor to many in the radio and music industries.
Is this before or after the Jones vs Croft battle?
Damn ERB dropping two new vids
Best ERB reactions on RUclips
Keep them coming, brotha
Teddy Roosevelt vs Winston Churchill is one that needs revisiting
Great video scru! You know with Halloween just 2 days away a revisit of Vlad vs Dracula might be good!
Revisit Edgar Allen Poe Vs. Steven King. Watsky as Edgar with his flow and rhythmic complexity just goes absolutely crazy
I'm thinking the line where he was saying " Cause your British body is covered in more piss than kitty litter" is more so a dig at Jacks timeline. The lack of common indoor plumbing meant that a lot of people still had piss buckets and shit pots that would be tossed out at any time. Though I could be mistaken, just a guess on my part.
If you think about it Lector was in control of the battle from the start to the finish. Everything jack did, it didn’t matter, hannibal had an answer and he could read jack like a book.
Ash Ketchum vs Darwin is such a ruthless one. You should revisit that one!
Didn't see your original reaction, but this, bar none, is my favorite battle they ever did. It's not their best, no, but damn just listening to it is so good. The rhyming and wordplay is so satisfying, even if the barbs aren't as good, and that delinquent to victorian england rhyme? *Chef's kiss*
Seriously though, ignore my comment and go check out Dan Bull's, because his is amazing. I hope it gets pinned.
I also learned that there were little horror bits in News Papers called Petty Dreadfuls. The thing was they weren't very scary.
I'd like to see you revisit Thanos vs. Oppenheimer; I'm curious to see where the Don Demarcos would be.
"Where's ur rhythm, I thought u had the time stone" 😂
The deeper part; Hannibal is a psychiatrist, so not only is he providing therapy, he's literally picking Jack part, and revealing that he's merely a child chasing headlines and wanting a name.
He's Hannibal's patient.
I think the piss line was referring to the common practice of throwing your urine out the window because there wasn't a sewier system back then.
I love everything about this ERB. One of the best thing's I like about it though is the damn Instrumental 🔥🔥. When the beat starts flowing decently fast with that guitar in the back 🔥🔥🔥🔥.
Hey can you react to "Walt Disney vs Shigeru Miyamoto" by Epic Rap Battle Parodies? I know it's not an official ERB episode, but it's still a really good rap battle, and the cinematography is like ERB-level quality! Not to mention many of the bars are, as you would say "Don Demarco Bang Bang!"
In my opinion, Jack's entire first round was one gigantic diss to Hannibal. He refused to engage him at all because he wasn't real. Therefore, it was all about Jack
Yeah he came as cocky and then got cooked by Hannibal
Scru you should consider reacting to some of the princess rap battles there are some really good ones you missed. Leia (Star Wars) vs Galadriel (Lord of the Rings), Hermoine (Harry Potter) vs Katniss (Hunger Games), and Daenerys (Game of Thrones) vs Maleficent are all great battles.
The last line from Hannibal Lector's first verse is not true at all, the infamous "Dear boss" letter that the killer sent to the police in 1888 was signed "Jack the Ripper", that was when the name was first introduced to society and people all around the world were and still are referring to the notorious killer as Jack the Ripper.
The letter was bs hoax, only the "from hell" letter was legit
In regards to Jack, he was real, they never could confirm what kills were his and what weren't, and to top it off, there were around half a dozen or so suspects nobody ever figured out who was Jack though. Personally, I think it was whichever prince was a suspect. (Its been several years since I looked into it so I don't remember the name)
yo I can't wait to watch this revisit! loved this rap battle
"Your British body's covered in more piss than kitty litter"
I think that may have been a shot at Victorian era hygiene standards.
Speaking of Dan Bull, definitely gotta revisit Churchill vs Roosevelt, that one is amazing!
The 7/7 bar had more than one meaning. The one Jack talks about is the bombings that took place on July 7th, 2005.
But giving a peace sign with your hand facing you is as bad as giving someone the bird in the US. The French did it to taunt the British after they started cutting off the first two fingers in the captured longbowman.
The "body's covered in more piss than kitty litter" line is probably because, during medieval times, there were no sewers/flushing toilets so people used to do their business either in a hole, in a bucket and then dispose of it out the window, or they'd just go in the street and be covered with a towel for privacy. It made the streets smell and most of the time it would land on passers by if it was disposed of out the window. Even when it got to the victorian times, toilets and sewage were still an issue for lower class people. And lower class British people in history are just known for not bathing well and/or believing things like bathing in pee would cure certain illnesses or was good for your skin. Its a pretty smart history buff line
Jack may be the superior killer, but Hannibal was the superior battle rapper.
absolutely disgusted that you never said "hannibal ate him up"
Roosevelt vs Churchill would be a good one. And so would Che vs Guevara and Jobs vs Gates and Tolkien vs Martin. I've always personally loved those ones.
Speaking of these two could you do or redo Roosevelt versus Winston Churchill that one was really good too and it's an even playing field because they were both real figures that actually lived at the same time
I'm thinking Jack is someone who if you let go second, you can't beat, but he falls flat if he has to go first.
Scru should revisit Churchill vs Roosevelt, that's one of the best ERB's easily! Also another Dan Bull appearance!
Standards of cleanliness in Victorian England were very poor.
The line where he said you don’t even exist ended the whole battle
The thing with Jack the Ripper is that he wasn't a real person. It was the name they attached to an unknown person they thought committed a series of murders, but they honestly don't even know if it was all the same person who did it or if there were copycat killers following after earlier killings. Might be one person, might be several, might not even be a man tbh, though that's definitely most likely. Lecter even mentioned that in his lines when he said "These days your nickname is all that's even known." It's true. Jack the Ripper as he's perceived in modern times is just as made up as Hannibal Lecter.
the rereviews are real, and true can't wait to see more.
They did find out who jack the ripper was, he was a random polish barber. Look it up, they matched the dna.
You need to react to songer he’s slept on and his lyricism is insane
Kinda sad that this was already a revisit and yet Scru still didn't play through to the end and get jumpscared on camera
Probably because he saw it in the 1st reaction and didn't even flinch.
@@Lord_Muggs we'll never know cause the cam didn't catch it 😢
That line about th kitty litter is due to the fact that Victorian England wasn't the most sanitary time, especially for lower class families. If you want a decent example of Victorian England, look at gameplay of Assassins Creed: Syndicate. May not be 100% accurate but it provides a good enough backdrop for these kinds of rhymes.
the piss line is because in england in the victorian era they used piss to clean things because it has acid in it so they thought it would sterilise things