The big three giving up on sedan's and affordable cars was a huge mistake....but don't feel sorry for them ...I feel for the people who are going to lose their jobs because of stupid decisions by CEO's.
Yep, the company can lose billions of dollars but incompetent CEOs still collect 30+ million dollar checks but lay off their union workers, make it make sense.
The problem with this thinking is if you looked at the data, the big 3 gave up sedans because the consumers wanted CUV's. If your customers stopped buying a specific product would you still make it?
@@Megdan1111 and buyers of American name plates don't want American sedans. It's not a difficult concept. Stellantis is the only loser. Ford would be profitable if they didn't have quality issues year after year. GM is profitable.
@@davidporter7051 I work in the automotive industry...our division built the battery pack for the F150 lightning... That plant has shut down now. The big three wanted to focus on large margin vehicles like SUVs and trucks to fund their EV Division which blew up in the faces and nobody cant afford any of their trucks either. Ford is in big trouble. How Jim Farley has a job still is beyond me.
exactly that 20 years ago I wanted to buy a Honda Civic Type R (I live in Europe they heavily tax big displacement engines) it was around 30-35k in 2024 it's 61k O_O another more recent example they are selling a city car 1.2l 82hp for 29'800$ ! that kind of car were the lowest of the low cheapest "that's all I can buy" cars they are worth 10-15k tops but no now they are sold for the same price one of the 1st 200hp sport hatchback cost in 2003, problem is they are still trash tier cars not worth 30k at all I drove one of those while my car was being repaired it couldn't reach the highway speed limit and when I had to go uphill I wanted to eject my passenger as the revs were going down going WOT...30k for this lol
Dealerships brought this on themselves. They have historical data on their customers so they know what the average income in the area that they are located in looks like.
@@Senerian and yes my life is better, I’m making more but I know others did the opposite and decided to buy high and are now underwater, but that on them. If you are referring to the overall inflation then you must also blame 45
Can't really feel bad about this. First they dig their own hole. When they sold vehicles during the pandemic with huge "market adjustments" they drained their own consumer base. Second, many still refuse to discount their vehicles.
Stellantis CEO forgot the old saying "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging". They just don't seem to have a plan or even a clue for the future.
Another factor is CDJR dealers don't have an affordable new sub 25k entry level vehicle to sell to the masses. Ford has the Maverick and the Escape. In my area, new Escapes are discounted so much that it's cheaper to buy an Escape than a Corolla. Chevy has the very successful new Trax and also the Trailblazer. Buick has the Envista and Encore GX. CDJR has simply priced itself out the market and the buyers are punishing them by not buying their products
not a stellantis thing they all do this and soon there are only going to be giant suv on sale in 2025 Subaru ends the legacy Ford the Focus (after the fiesta) Suzuki the Jimny swift sport ignis and swace and I'm sure many others, this might be related to the end of diesel and ICE engines and probably they need more space for the hybrid batteries or plugins battery pack (which are ev don't buy them) so they focus on larger frames
When money is tight for the average family spending it on massively overpriced vehicles of questionable quality isn't a priority. Maybe one day even the automakers will be able to understand that incredibly complex concept.
Stop dancing around the real issues. Inflation up 20-25%, their prices are up 50-60%. Recalls galore don't help at all and making products people don't want (HORNETS). Add high finance rates and higher insurance. There you have the reasons they can't sell JACK!!!💵😡💵
@@davidporter7051 No, the greedy Ivory Tower crowd, which ain't worth the PissInAPot, should give up there outrageous salaries, because they clearly aren't worth what they are paid.
@@davidporter7051 you do realize that we have really high inflation, and a recession looms near. I'm a sbo, and the democrats have ruined this economy. People can't afford another 4 years of this bs democrat policy.
Before the pandemic wranglers were around $35k and then they raised the prices to over $50k. Jeep is garbage and has always been garbage. The basic wrangler should be priced at $25k. That is all they are worth. No matter what the price is I would never buy a jeep.
Studebaker couldn't afford the union wages, shut down US production and shifted to a factory in Canada. Their sales fell and they ceased auto production leaving the auto sector. Stellantis seems to be headed down the same road in the US.
One thing that has been ignored, with a few exceptions is the massive "price adjustments" on some of the high powered Dodge products. People remember it and go to another brand. Dealers got creedy and tried to milk every dollar possible. People remember it, as I did when I looked at several Dodge Chargers. I walked away from the dealer, the Dodge product and went to a Japanese brand. Perhaps the parent company needs to look at pricing as well as customer service?
insane how these dodge dealers still think hellcats, let alone scatpacks, are worth over 50k still. they price these old ass cars that havent changed alot for a decade at insane prices and wonder why they sit and rot. a dodge demon isnt worth 100k, not even close. for that price you can buy a mustang gr, and a whipple with supporting mods and slicks and beat it
Jeep didn't sell less because there were other boxy off road suvs. They sold less because they priced themselves into the luxury segment without being a luxury brand. Plus they had a slew of quality issues with 4 separate models in consumer reports top 10 worst vehicles. People will buy jeeps at $25,000 - $35,000. They dont want to buy them at $35,000 - $45,000. And don't get me started in the grand wagoneer. People don't want to spend $120,000 on that monstrosity. They would go get an escalade or yukon. Carlos Tavares is the reason Stellantis is where they are. He is a horrible CEO for the American market
They let the product offerings drop. They let their product offerings get stale (outside of the engines). They increased the price more than inflation would indicate it should increase. They increased the price steeply throughout the last model year run for AWD on the Charger/Challenger far outpacing any inflation. They planned so well they have a Chrysler brand with just one product offering. The Dodge brand with an aged SUV (Durango) and an Italian import that is very highly priced. They continue to hike the prices on Jeeps (note the Gladiator). They have two Wagoneer's that hardly differ except one is much higher priced than the other (for what exactly?). The Ram offerings, increase in price and loss of V8 power options. The overall theme here is one of steep price hikes on ageing offerings and/or decreased options in new products. The cherry on top is the extremely high starting prices on the upcoming Dodge Charger and the insult to injury fake sound to try and fake what they are famed for: mechanical excitement, not an electric whir! The #1 problem they have is lack of any good management.
The whole C-Level should be fired, and forced to pay back their salary and bonuses - the failed product strategy was obvious since the end of the pandemic; upper management chose to ignore hard data, and instead follow their crackpot CEO into oblivion.
Here is a perfect example. In 2020 I bought my fully loaded all option Laramie 4x4, the msrp was 73k, and I received 10.5k off. The finance rate was 1.9%. Today the same truck is 83k, they are offering only 3k off and the finance rates are much higher. I need a new truck as I have nearly 150k miles on it but I will not pay these prices.
Manufacturers don’t realize how much of the sales is actually based on word of mouth rather then advertising, incentives or options. The Hemi enthusiasts were the ones actually selling dodge to others. Now that dodge abandoned the enthusiasts. The “dumb” buyers are not getting advice from the friend that recommends them a charger because it’s big and powerful and safe and easy to repair. So the “dumb” buyers will walk into some random dealer and buy the car with the biggest Apple car play screen. I personally have had 5 friends who sat in my charger for the first time experienced it the engine, the sound system and my passion for it that caused them to go out and buy one. If I was not their friend they would have been driving a FWD i4.
And just look at any comment section on dodge’s social media. 100% of actual owners of a dodge from 2005-2023 are making fun of how badly dodge has F ed up. Yet funny enough mechanics and the eastern countries have been taking much interest in those hemi cars. Russia is flooded with TRXs even the mobbsters have realized a TRX is way more luxurious, bigger interior and actually off-road capable vs the G wagon they loved so much. And you see mechanics recommending a used charger because parts are so affordable to maintain and how easy it is to work on. In 5-10 year from now chargers will be looked at like how most people view Toyota camrys in terms of long term reliability. And all the last 10 years they have been talking shit about the charger interior being cheap I don’t even understand that reasoning. It’s a beautiful design and simple. Very reminiscent of a 90s bmw. In the dash layout.
not an informed comment at all. If one only cares about the engine when purchasing a vehicle that's fine. But your example is the kettle calling the pot black. And a Hemi charger isn't reliable, safe or easy to fix. It's historically one of the most recalled vehicles in its segment and it's outdated it's literally a 20th century design.
@@davidporter7051 the 2000s S class everyone calls a tank and says they don’t build them like they used too. 🙄 duh the charger is built on that platform. It’s way more beefy then any other sedan on the road. The double wish bone on the charger is thicker then the one that comes on the cybertruck. Yeah they have stupid recalls for minor things. I never took my charger to the dealer. I do all the work myself. And it’s pretty fucking reliable. 24/7 people are doing doughnuts on the street and it still works. Try doing that with a camry you will break the whole drive train. And I’m not surprised you disagree. We need NPCs with cars all looking alike and bland. So people like you need to exist for us to drive past and look cool.
A manufacturer, especially Chrysler, needs to offer one heck of an incentive to get me to buy. Something like 75% off knowing the car may only make it 5,000 miles (Hornet)
I hope there is a buyout. I loved my hemi ram trucks, have a jeep gladiator right now. But until they are sold, I will never buy another Chrysler product.
Maybe the Chinese can run it better than the US, German, Cerberus, Italian and now Euro bean counters. Chrysler group has been the pass around ho for 25 years now.
It starts at the top. Stellantis CEO has a track record of doing this stuff along with the "new breed" of ceo's. This is not inclusive to the auto industry. It is being done to a lot of companies. Cut quality, raise prices, cut warranties and people will still be dumb enough to use or by our product or use our store.
After 13 years of loyalty to the Ram/Jeep brands, I gave up on them last summer. I traded my 2022 Ram Cummins to stop the bleeding on how quickly it was being devalued. There did not seem to be a bottom to how quickly that truck was losing value, all due to how Stellantis jacked up the prices and then offered $15K in discounts on new ones. Done with that.
@@jwill540 You know, there is some truth to that. However, with the 2500 Cummins trucks, for the time period 2010-2020 I was able to own/drive them for 24-30 months and then trade them with very little depreciation on a percentage basis. So it was a good run, but that run ended and once I figured that out, I bailed on the brand. I am not sure anyone but you (jwill540) is smart enough to have fully seen it coming and been able to totally avoid it.
BYD from China are here looking to buy Chrysler and Dodge possibly Ram over priced cars and trucks banks won’t do they need a slap in reality to lower the insane prices.
1. Dodge/Ram is a absolute pos, and has only survived this long because they had a contract with Cummins. 2. They were bailed out by the gov't, and still can't figure out how to make a decent product that people actually want.
Just like Bud Lite. The workers lose their jobs ,the C.O. Gets a raise. The Stockholders move on and deduct loses on taxes. The public finds something else .
I have been buying Dodge, Ram and Plymouth products since I bought my first car a Plymouth 'Cuda back in the 1970s but im done buying their overpriced unreliable vehicles. I hope they sell to an American investor, but I bet that wont happen so just close the doors on the whole Chrysler Dodge Jeep foreign owned experiment.
It’s incredibly sad about the state of the car industry. It’s so bad that no one can afford new or used vehicle, that along with Ben beginning to resemble a young Jim Henson. Damn you Chrysler,Dodge, Jeep and Ram.
Stellantis should scrap dodge, Chrysler and ram. Keep only the Jeep wrangler and call the Ram pick up a Comanche under the Jeep name. It’s all trash but those two models might be able to survive.
Blackrock vanguard are not invested in stellantis so no doubt this will be at the core of it …….. look at the big picture and market share , Blackrock control gm and ford
Ultimately, this video sounds like defending the dealers and the company's that build these vehicles. People are tired of spending their money to buy a vehicle that should be $60,000 according to the dealer's websites and ended up priced for $350,000. And then find out the vehicle is loaded with problems.
GOOD GOOD GREAT I SHOUT. I did a stupid thing, i got the I NEED THAT disease Jan 24. Thought i was getting a almost deal and got a 2023 1500 limited longhorn. It is junk, way over priced, cheap leather, cheap uphostery. I know, i wasnt forced. Dont buy this stallentus cheap fiat in a RAM shell. This e-torque is a bad joke. Uconnect5 will nit let Waze or Google map use the full 12" screen- FROM ANDROID but I saw 1 video showing it would with apple. And the cam shaft is higher, not properly oiked, and fails- per many videos warning about that. DO NOT BUY A RAM, do not fund the UAW and their massive raises. Don't regret like I do. Hope the RAM dealer chokes on my purchase.
It’s not that hard. Stellantis made a push to EVs while simultaneously ending its most popular ICE cars like Charger and Challenger. It’s not exactly rocket science to understand.
5:16 Again, the Good Car Bad Car data you used previously for Tesla sales is completely and massively wrong. Their sales are down like 5-8% YoY. Nowhere near 30%+. The Good Car Bad Car data doesn't even pass the sniff test. It said Q2 US sales were 1/3 that of Q1 while Tesla's global sales were up over 10% QoQ. There's no way they magically sold 100k less vehicles in the US (their largest market) QoQ while growing sales globally 50k QoQ.
If the Wrangler were still priced in the range it was 5+ years ago when it was overwhelmingly popular, it would have little to worry about from Toyota, INEOS, or Land Rover. Maybe the Bronco would have some impact. But Jeep has gone from playing in the utility vehicle and 3rd car market, to playing where it doesn't belong. Don't get me wrong. As a longtime Jeep and Toyota driver, I like both. I'm really intrigued by the INEOS, have no interest in a Land Rover anything, though I would get a vintage Defender if the prices weren't so stupid. But a 30 year old Defender doesn't put any money into Tata's pockets. At current Wrangler prices, the INEOS and Land Cruiser are direct competition. So is the rather overpriced Bronco. Even the GX is, for some models. I like my old Wrangler, but I probably wouldn't buy one today. For the prices they charged 5+ years ago, yes. For 100 grand? Come on. Even 75. A new 4Runner starts at $43k. I've had a couple of those and a couple Toyota trucks in the family, and much as I love my Jeep (bought it new, now it's vintage) a 4Runner, only recently the high-priced option, is just a better 4x4 for a lot less money.
You couldn't get the 6.4 hemi in the 1500 like GM. Then they get rid of the hemi. Two different power ratings for diesel. Finally, extremely overpriced on the entire ram lineup. Just call the Undertaker. RIP
Good, make a car worth buying and driving for once. Blame the EPA or whatever but it doesn't take the ball out of these guys courts - figure it out, you're supposed to be the innovators. Stop with this hundred thousand dollar nonsense. A car isn't a house and their people clearly need to get out of the finance world and focus on actual physical objects for once in their lives.
The rust belt 3 need to get real! 80% of the population can't afford 100K vehicles ! They're overpriced by 50% ! Add to it engine problems one after the next! Overly priced garbage You did it to yourselves and you never reined in scalping dealers.
RAM is definitely king of the full size trucks but unfortunately their CEO Carlos Tavares has ruined the company with every decision he has made, it is a shame because all of Stellantis's brands are under scrutiny with either being sold or discontinued plus they have increased their prices by 40% since he took over.
Dealership greed is the biggest problem. Price increases are a huge deal from Stallantis. My 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 was 36k on sticker, and I paid 18.5k. They want 65k plus for a similar truck now. My truck drives and still looks great. I will drive it till the wheels fall off with prices like this. Period. Stallantis needs to sell CDJR back to an American company. I believe they are the problem.
You did not pay 18.5 for a new 08 pickup in that year that is equally equivalent to a60k plus 24. I worked at a dealer and that comparable vehicle would have listed for the mid 30’s
@melvingreen9281 I will be happy to put the contract up here bud. Last dodge ram made after that it was just ram. Big Horn SLT 18.5k new with 20" wheels. Sorry for you I got managers special from Tallahassee CDJR. Good eggs. 50% off msrp. No one wanted to buy a V8 then cuz gas was $4 a gallon.
Karma is a bitch. It is payback time to the unscrupulous dealers who ravaged customers with their greed. I have no sympathy.
I absolutely agree. Truth in your statement.
Totally agree
I'm fine with seeing Stailantas go out of business. They are charging Snap-On prices for Harbor Frieght products
LOL...good comparison
It’s not even Harbor Freight more like Temu😂😂😂
When you sell expensive crap, and I mean crap, people have a tendency of not buying.
Except in New Jersey.
Exactly. The only reason people would buy a ram before is because it was cheaper than ford and GM.
The big three giving up on sedan's and affordable cars was a huge mistake....but don't feel sorry for them ...I feel for the people who are going to lose their jobs because of stupid decisions by CEO's.
Yep, the company can lose billions of dollars but incompetent CEOs still collect 30+ million dollar checks but lay off their union workers, make it make sense.
The problem with this thinking is if you looked at the data, the big 3 gave up sedans because the consumers wanted CUV's. If your customers stopped buying a specific product would you still make it?
@@getxzootedimo9992 Honda , Toyota, Hyundai, Kia , VW still sell sedan's..
@@Megdan1111 and buyers of American name plates don't want American sedans. It's not a difficult concept. Stellantis is the only loser. Ford would be profitable if they didn't have quality issues year after year. GM is profitable.
@@davidporter7051 I work in the automotive industry...our division built the battery pack for the F150 lightning... That plant has shut down now. The big three wanted to focus on large margin vehicles like SUVs and trucks to fund their EV Division which blew up in the faces and nobody cant afford any of their trucks either. Ford is in big trouble. How Jim Farley has a job still is beyond me.
Shocking!!! They try to make us pay 80k for 40k cars! 😂
exactly that 20 years ago I wanted to buy a Honda Civic Type R (I live in Europe they heavily tax big displacement engines) it was around 30-35k in 2024 it's 61k O_O another more recent example they are selling a city car 1.2l 82hp for 29'800$ ! that kind of car were the lowest of the low cheapest "that's all I can buy" cars they are worth 10-15k tops but no now they are sold for the same price one of the 1st 200hp sport hatchback cost in 2003, problem is they are still trash tier cars not worth 30k at all I drove one of those while my car was being repaired it couldn't reach the highway speed limit and when I had to go uphill I wanted to eject my passenger as the revs were going down going WOT...30k for this lol
Sounds like the Dealerships are feeling what the rest of Americans has felt at the grocery story for the last 3.8 years.
Dealerships brought this on themselves. They have historical data on their customers so they know what the average income in the area that they are located in looks like.
Actually food prices increased in 2020 ……that’s over 4 years ago
@@diegoharo7943 Is your life better now than it was 4 years ago? btw you are incorrect,.
@@Senerian look it up even fox did countless stories about it but in a kinda hearted way making jokes
@@Senerian and yes my life is better, I’m making more but I know others did the opposite and decided to buy high and are now underwater, but that on them.
If you are referring to the overall inflation then you must also blame 45
Can't really feel bad about this. First they dig their own hole. When they sold vehicles during the pandemic with huge "market adjustments" they drained their own consumer base. Second, many still refuse to discount their vehicles.
Yeah. Have these companies thought about who buys their crap when the middle class is priced out?
Stellantis CEO forgot the old saying "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging". They just don't seem to have a plan or even a clue for the future.
Another factor is CDJR dealers don't have an affordable new sub 25k entry level vehicle to sell to the masses. Ford has the Maverick and the Escape. In my area, new Escapes are discounted so much that it's cheaper to buy an Escape than a Corolla. Chevy has the very successful new Trax and also the Trailblazer. Buick has the Envista and Encore GX. CDJR has simply priced itself out the market and the buyers are punishing them by not buying their products
not a stellantis thing they all do this and soon there are only going to be giant suv on sale in 2025 Subaru ends the legacy Ford the Focus (after the fiesta) Suzuki the Jimny swift sport ignis and swace and I'm sure many others, this might be related to the end of diesel and ICE engines and probably they need more space for the hybrid batteries or plugins battery pack (which are ev don't buy them) so they focus on larger frames
They tried to turn Jeep into a luxury brand.
@@theautoman22 grand wagoneer is a joke nothing grand about it just a name
When money is tight for the average family spending it on massively overpriced vehicles of questionable quality isn't a priority. Maybe one day even the automakers will be able to understand that incredibly complex concept.
prices really haven't changed. I bet you are one of the many who haven't received a real pay raise in about 5 years
Where is the list of dealers who have recently gone out of business?
They Priced Themselves out of The Market
Stop dancing around the real issues. Inflation up 20-25%, their prices are up 50-60%. Recalls galore don't help at all and making products people don't want (HORNETS). Add high finance rates and higher insurance. There you have the reasons they can't sell JACK!!!💵😡💵
Stellantis makes junk across the board
Talking about inflation rates brings down channels esp in an election year.
Amen 🙏🏿
Don’t forget ridiculous sales tax / tags...my county tax adds 8.75% to the vehicle cost.
Bring back the AMC Pacer! That will solve all their problems.
Great news. Dealerships need to slash ridiculous prices if they want business
Make better products and sell them at resonable prices. Americans would buy American cars if they felt they were good cars and not over priced junk!
I can't afford anything the big three builds anymore.
then you should be making money not commenting here.
@@davidporter7051 No, the greedy Ivory Tower crowd, which ain't worth the PissInAPot,
should give up there outrageous salaries, because they clearly aren't worth what they are paid.
@davidporter7051 way to miss the point you jackwagon.
@@davidporter7051 you do realize that we have really high inflation, and a recession looms near. I'm a sbo, and the democrats have ruined this economy. People can't afford another 4 years of this bs democrat policy.
Before the pandemic wranglers were around $35k and then they raised the prices to over $50k. Jeep is garbage and has always been garbage. The basic wrangler should be priced at $25k. That is all they are worth. No matter what the price is I would never buy a jeep.
Studebaker couldn't afford the union wages, shut down US production and shifted to a factory in Canada. Their sales fell and they ceased auto production leaving the auto sector. Stellantis seems to be headed down the same road in the US.
I won't cry and I've had an old style Chrysler product for 40 years.
Prices increased before the union got their raise. Greedy manufacturers.
One thing that has been ignored, with a few exceptions is the massive "price adjustments" on some of the high powered Dodge products. People remember it and go to another brand. Dealers got creedy and tried to milk every dollar possible. People remember it, as I did when I looked at several Dodge Chargers. I walked away from the dealer, the Dodge product and went to a Japanese brand. Perhaps the parent company needs to look at pricing as well as customer service?
insane how these dodge dealers still think hellcats, let alone scatpacks, are worth over 50k still.
they price these old ass cars that havent changed alot for a decade at insane prices and wonder why they sit and rot.
a dodge demon isnt worth 100k, not even close. for that price you can buy a mustang gr, and a whipple with supporting mods and slicks and beat it
Jeep didn't sell less because there were other boxy off road suvs. They sold less because they priced themselves into the luxury segment without being a luxury brand. Plus they had a slew of quality issues with 4 separate models in consumer reports top 10 worst vehicles. People will buy jeeps at $25,000 - $35,000. They dont want to buy them at $35,000 - $45,000. And don't get me started in the grand wagoneer. People don't want to spend $120,000 on that monstrosity. They would go get an escalade or yukon. Carlos Tavares is the reason Stellantis is where they are. He is a horrible CEO for the American market
All self inflicted. Hornet and Renegade are $18-19,000 vehicles. Get greedy Go broke. Jeep and Dodge and Chrysler are not "premium' brands FFS.
They let the product offerings drop. They let their product offerings get stale (outside of the engines). They increased the price more than inflation would indicate it should increase. They increased the price steeply throughout the last model year run for AWD on the Charger/Challenger far outpacing any inflation. They planned so well they have a Chrysler brand with just one product offering. The Dodge brand with an aged SUV (Durango) and an Italian import that is very highly priced. They continue to hike the prices on Jeeps (note the Gladiator). They have two Wagoneer's that hardly differ except one is much higher priced than the other (for what exactly?). The Ram offerings, increase in price and loss of V8 power options. The overall theme here is one of steep price hikes on ageing offerings and/or decreased options in new products. The cherry on top is the extremely high starting prices on the upcoming Dodge Charger and the insult to injury fake sound to try and fake what they are famed for: mechanical excitement, not an electric whir! The #1 problem they have is lack of any good management.
Outside of the Charger and Challenger which are discontinued, what does dodge really have that people really want?
I love the look of the ram trucks and the cummins has always been good but they are built like trash these days
@Ben, it’d be interesting to make a list of any dealerships anywhere in the States that have gone or are going out of business! Any data?
No data because not a single dealer has gone out of business.
@@scrooksful that’s what I thought!
2143 NEW 2023 Rams still on Autotrader.11009 NEW 2024 Rams still on Autotrader.
Brought it on themselves…greed during tight supply , called Karma
My 1966 Dodge Dart with the 170 CID 6 cylinder slant 6 engine was a fantastic automobile, and my last ever Chrysler Product!
The whole C-Level should be fired, and forced to pay back their salary and bonuses - the failed product strategy was obvious since the end of the pandemic; upper management chose to ignore hard data, and instead follow their crackpot CEO into oblivion.
Fix it again Tony...go Bye Bye.....bwess its widdle haid
Here is a perfect example. In 2020 I bought my fully loaded all option Laramie 4x4, the msrp was 73k, and I received 10.5k off. The finance rate was 1.9%. Today the same truck is 83k, they are offering only 3k off and the finance rates are much higher. I need a new truck as I have nearly 150k miles on it but I will not pay these prices.
Good I’m glad hopefully 🥳 Toyota might be next charging 70k for a Tacoma.
All of these new vehicles are pieces of shit. And they aren’t worth 50% of what the manufacturers greedily are trying to sell them for.
Record profits = Record contracts. -Shwan Fain
Manufacturers don’t realize how much of the sales is actually based on word of mouth rather then advertising, incentives or options. The Hemi enthusiasts were the ones actually selling dodge to others. Now that dodge abandoned the enthusiasts. The “dumb” buyers are not getting advice from the friend that recommends them a charger because it’s big and powerful and safe and easy to repair. So the “dumb” buyers will walk into some random dealer and buy the car with the biggest Apple car play screen. I personally have had 5 friends who sat in my charger for the first time experienced it the engine, the sound system and my passion for it that caused them to go out and buy one. If I was not their friend they would have been driving a FWD i4.
And just look at any comment section on dodge’s social media. 100% of actual owners of a dodge from 2005-2023 are making fun of how badly dodge has F ed up. Yet funny enough mechanics and the eastern countries have been taking much interest in those hemi cars. Russia is flooded with TRXs even the mobbsters have realized a TRX is way more luxurious, bigger interior and actually off-road capable vs the G wagon they loved so much. And you see mechanics recommending a used charger because parts are so affordable to maintain and how easy it is to work on. In 5-10 year from now chargers will be looked at like how most people view Toyota camrys in terms of long term reliability. And all the last 10 years they have been talking shit about the charger interior being cheap I don’t even understand that reasoning. It’s a beautiful design and simple. Very reminiscent of a 90s bmw. In the dash layout.
not an informed comment at all. If one only cares about the engine when purchasing a vehicle that's fine. But your example is the kettle calling the pot black. And a Hemi charger isn't reliable, safe or easy to fix. It's historically one of the most recalled vehicles in its segment and it's outdated it's literally a 20th century design.
@@davidporter7051 the 2000s S class everyone calls a tank and says they don’t build them like they used too. 🙄 duh the charger is built on that platform. It’s way more beefy then any other sedan on the road. The double wish bone on the charger is thicker then the one that comes on the cybertruck. Yeah they have stupid recalls for minor things. I never took my charger to the dealer. I do all the work myself. And it’s pretty fucking reliable. 24/7 people are doing doughnuts on the street and it still works. Try doing that with a camry you will break the whole drive train. And I’m not surprised you disagree. We need NPCs with cars all looking alike and bland. So people like you need to exist for us to drive past and look cool.
@@Mk47Ultra you are using Emo to justify an Emo post and purchase. The Charger is dated, unreliable, and average regarding safety.
@@Mk47Ultra Be hilarious to see a Russian company like Lada buy Chrysler Dodge!
Stellantis is a European company they don’t care about the American brands except for jeep maybe
Junk vehicles with inflated prices. Who didn't see this coming. Ford and Chevy next.
A manufacturer, especially Chrysler, needs to offer one heck of an incentive to get me to buy. Something like 75% off knowing the car may only make it 5,000 miles (Hornet)
No way they're losing money on $60k-$120k trucks. Stop with that.
I hope there is a buyout. I loved my hemi ram trucks, have a jeep gladiator right now. But until they are sold, I will never buy another Chrysler product.
Maybe the Chinese can run it better than the US, German, Cerberus, Italian and now Euro bean counters. Chrysler group has been the pass around ho for 25 years now.
You think a buyout and outsourcing will solve anything?
@chazman4461 not outsourcing, and by an American company that cares and knows the market. Of course all this would be much easier with a Trump win.
70s hairstyle,nice
Yeah, I agree, hippy lumberjack.
Good, Tired of seeing that junk on the road. Get ready for you one pick of 3 colors for a new Yugo if Harris Wins
Electric Yugo.
It starts at the top. Stellantis CEO has a track record of doing this stuff along with the "new breed" of ceo's. This is not inclusive to the auto industry. It is being done to a lot of companies. Cut quality, raise prices, cut warranties and people will still be dumb enough to use or by our product or use our store.
My wife bought a 24 base compass which seems decent and 16 compass with 116k miles that still runs good but they need more entry level vehicles
The amazing Biden-nomics at its best
Ohhhhh
After 13 years of loyalty to the Ram/Jeep brands, I gave up on them last summer. I traded my 2022 Ram Cummins to stop the bleeding on how quickly it was being devalued. There did not seem to be a bottom to how quickly that truck was losing value, all due to how Stellantis jacked up the prices and then offered $15K in discounts on new ones. Done with that.
That's what happens when you have more credit than sense.
@@jwill540 You know, there is some truth to that. However, with the 2500 Cummins trucks, for the time period 2010-2020 I was able to own/drive them for 24-30 months and then trade them with very little depreciation on a percentage basis. So it was a good run, but that run ended and once I figured that out, I bailed on the brand. I am not sure anyone but you (jwill540) is smart enough to have fully seen it coming and been able to totally avoid it.
2025 Durango Silver Bullet is $113,000. For a 13 year old dated SUV. Their pricing department is delusional.
BYD from China are here looking to buy Chrysler and Dodge possibly Ram over priced cars and trucks banks won’t do they need a slap in reality to lower the insane prices.
I hope china don’t get the opportunity sad
BYD probably could do better than Stellantis.
They should give me a 2019 price on a wrangler when I go to a CDJR dealership.
Yup selling front brake pads for Ram trucks 320$ in Dealership what a joke
I hope Honda, Subaru or Toyota look into buying Jeep. I would love a solid dependable powertrain in a Wrangler Rubicon.
Won’t happen
The 3.6 is
Are dealerships forced to take these expensive trims from the manufacturer or are they asking for them?
I expect a massive loss of CDJR dealers in the next year much like with the 2008 crash.
Sure they are 🙄
As they should!
They rather go out of business than give customers a deal
No major changes at Stellantis .
1. Dodge/Ram is a absolute pos, and has only survived this long because they had a contract with Cummins.
2. They were bailed out by the gov't, and still can't figure out how to make a decent product that people actually want.
Just like Bud Lite. The workers lose their jobs ,the C.O. Gets a raise. The Stockholders move on and deduct loses on taxes. The public finds something else .
My ram dealer wanted $600 for an oil change. I hope they do go out of business.
That's too bad! See you later!
Wage inflation: 5-15%
Price inflation: 50-150%
Like how do they expect that to work out ? Magic ?
Stellantis did this to themselves.
I have been buying Dodge, Ram and Plymouth products since I bought my first car a Plymouth 'Cuda back in the 1970s but im done buying their overpriced unreliable vehicles. I hope they sell to an American investor, but I bet that wont happen so just close the doors on the whole Chrysler Dodge Jeep foreign owned experiment.
It’s incredibly sad about the state of the car industry. It’s so bad that no one can afford new or used vehicle, that along with Ben beginning to resemble a young Jim Henson. Damn you Chrysler,Dodge, Jeep and Ram.
Well Lee Lacocca is no longer around. Prices aren't coming down, and the quality just isn't there etc
Stellantis should scrap dodge, Chrysler and ram. Keep only the Jeep wrangler and call the Ram pick up a Comanche under the Jeep name. It’s all trash but those two models might be able to survive.
Blackrock vanguard are not invested in stellantis so no doubt this will be at the core of it …….. look at the big picture and market share , Blackrock control gm and ford
Ultimately, this video sounds like defending the dealers and the company's that build these vehicles. People are tired of spending their money to buy a vehicle that should be $60,000 according to the dealer's websites and ended up priced for $350,000. And then find out the vehicle is loaded with problems.
I now call them The Greed Three
All dealerships should go out of business
GOOD GOOD GREAT I SHOUT. I did a stupid thing, i got the I NEED THAT disease Jan 24. Thought i was getting a almost deal and got a 2023 1500 limited longhorn. It is junk, way over priced, cheap leather, cheap uphostery. I know, i wasnt forced. Dont buy this stallentus cheap fiat in a RAM shell. This e-torque is a bad joke. Uconnect5 will nit let Waze or Google map use the full 12" screen- FROM ANDROID but I saw 1 video showing it would with apple. And the cam shaft is higher, not properly oiked, and fails- per many videos warning about that. DO NOT BUY A RAM, do not fund the UAW and their massive raises. Don't regret like I do. Hope the RAM dealer chokes on my purchase.
$100,000 Jeep. That's a problem.
It’s not that hard.
Stellantis made a push to EVs while simultaneously ending its most popular ICE cars like Charger and Challenger. It’s not exactly rocket science to understand.
Too high too much greed. Paying millions in bonus for CEO..
Taxpayers will pay for all of this.. and not even get to sit in the car or truck.
Dodge doing so BAD, even ben looking rough. Look like a 50 yr old man.
When you raise prices over 50% without improving ANYTHING you’re bound to fail bigtime.
Stellantis will be fine, some of their brands not so much.
5:16 Again, the Good Car Bad Car data you used previously for Tesla sales is completely and massively wrong. Their sales are down like 5-8% YoY. Nowhere near 30%+.
The Good Car Bad Car data doesn't even pass the sniff test. It said Q2 US sales were 1/3 that of Q1 while Tesla's global sales were up over 10% QoQ. There's no way they magically sold 100k less vehicles in the US (their largest market) QoQ while growing sales globally 50k QoQ.
If the Wrangler were still priced in the range it was 5+ years ago when it was overwhelmingly popular, it would have little to worry about from Toyota, INEOS, or Land Rover. Maybe the Bronco would have some impact. But Jeep has gone from playing in the utility vehicle and 3rd car market, to playing where it doesn't belong.
Don't get me wrong. As a longtime Jeep and Toyota driver, I like both. I'm really intrigued by the INEOS, have no interest in a Land Rover anything, though I would get a vintage Defender if the prices weren't so stupid. But a 30 year old Defender doesn't put any money into Tata's pockets.
At current Wrangler prices, the INEOS and Land Cruiser are direct competition. So is the rather overpriced Bronco. Even the GX is, for some models.
I like my old Wrangler, but I probably wouldn't buy one today. For the prices they charged 5+ years ago, yes. For 100 grand? Come on. Even 75.
A new 4Runner starts at $43k. I've had a couple of those and a couple Toyota trucks in the family, and much as I love my Jeep (bought it new, now it's vintage) a 4Runner, only recently the high-priced option, is just a better 4x4 for a lot less money.
I dont like the whole model either. Why can't car dealerships act like retail shop. They sell transportation commodity.
You couldn't get the 6.4 hemi in the 1500 like GM. Then they get rid of the hemi. Two different power ratings for diesel. Finally, extremely overpriced on the entire ram lineup. Just call the Undertaker. RIP
Cut everything but CEO salaries. The greedy thieves need their money.
Good, make a car worth buying and driving for once. Blame the EPA or whatever but it doesn't take the ball out of these guys courts - figure it out, you're supposed to be the innovators. Stop with this hundred thousand dollar nonsense. A car isn't a house and their people clearly need to get out of the finance world and focus on actual physical objects for once in their lives.
Let's all build luxury cars. Kia filled that gap with there shit box's!
LOL even Kia and Hyundai prices are way too high for the carp they make.
The CEO of Stellantis was paid $39.5 MILLION in 2023.
He ain't worth $3.95 lol Truly these Ivory Tower clowns are probably the most worthless employees at the auto companies.
Chrysler should be dissolved and reinvented into a new brand...nothing like it is currently.
Ben, have you seen their prices?? lol I mean come on…😂
The rust belt 3 need to get real! 80% of the population can't afford 100K vehicles ! They're overpriced by 50% ! Add to it engine problems one after the next! Overly priced garbage
You did it to yourselves and you never reined in scalping dealers.
not a signle person going to comment on how Dodge did away with the hemi ??? why would i buy a none hemi Dodge truck ?
Emissions and mpg mandates by gov.. Read more
Dodge truck ? 🤣🤣 The last time I checked Dodge and Ram split in Oct 2009 with Chrysler making the 4th and 5th Generation. Zero input from Dodge.
The heading should say Dodge and Ram dealers. Not Dodge Ram dealers.
RAM is definitely king of the full size trucks but unfortunately their CEO Carlos Tavares has ruined the company with every decision he has made, it is a shame because all of Stellantis's brands are under scrutiny with either being sold or discontinued plus they have increased their prices by 40% since he took over.
Dealership greed is the biggest problem. Price increases are a huge deal from Stallantis. My 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 was 36k on sticker, and I paid 18.5k. They want 65k plus for a similar truck now. My truck drives and still looks great. I will drive it till the wheels fall off with prices like this. Period. Stallantis needs to sell CDJR back to an American company. I believe they are the problem.
You did not pay 18.5 for a new 08 pickup in that year that is equally equivalent to a60k plus 24. I worked at a dealer and that comparable vehicle would have listed for the mid 30’s
@melvingreen9281 I will be happy to put the contract up here bud. Last dodge ram made after that it was just ram. Big Horn SLT 18.5k new with 20" wheels. Sorry for you I got managers special from Tallahassee CDJR. Good eggs. 50% off msrp. No one wanted to buy a V8 then cuz gas was $4 a gallon.
Maybe Tata buys Maserati? Just a thought.
im looking at buying some 2026 puts on STLA
Maybe I will be able to get a Wrangler at a fair price now.
Did they sell that many cars or just push them on to the dealers?
Are your numbers for Stellantis global or Mopar American brands?
No worries in the car industry - lose as much as you want...The ‘tax payers’ will bail them out.
I'm confused 😕 is it 1965 🤔
When do they start the fire sale??
They are not going out of business where i live. Maybe they are in rinky dinky podunk towns but not in big cities.