How NOT to Make a Sequel | Deus Ex: Invisible War Retrospective
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- ION Storm followed up the incredible Deus Ex with...this.
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Intro - 0:00
Making of - 4:00
Gameplay - 6:05
Level design - 22:30
Story - 28:35
Side content - 42:09
Bugs - 44:55
Conclusion - 46:38
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Timestamps for you:
Intro - 0:00
Making of - 4:00
Gameplay - 6:05
Level design - 22:30
Story - 28:35
Side content - 42:09
Bugs - 44:55
Conclusion - 46:38
You know, up to this point I tryed to ignore the insertion of your own political agenda into your videos but this time you really took the cookie... You do know that the _"people"_ responsible for those _"few broken windows"_ are also responsible for up to 36 dead since the riots startet, including David Dorn and Jessica Doty-Whitaker? Not to mention that these _"few broken windows"_ in Minneapolis alone accumulated *500 million dollar* in property damage and I don't even want to know the numbers from NY, Seattle, Portland ect.
hey its the guy who complained about witcher wasnt diverse enough xD
@@darknessviking haha. I too noticed he was a sjw, and I'm not even american or english.
Thanks Chris D. Great video as always!
@@aweigh1010 even with all the "white Latinos for Trump", Trump still lost in 2020.
The reason the game sold better than the predecessor was due to the increased size of the gaming market having more potential consumers, and fans of the original bought a Deus Ex game hoping for a sequel to the game they liked. It wasn't due to a casual game succeeding due to broader appeal. People bought the game for brand recognition, and it sold better than the original on PC, too.
I like how the difference in style of covers tells all you need to know about the difference between these 2 games.
Sad
One correction to make that I noticed, in the first Deus Ex, it actually is possible to have both Cloak types since there were two slots for Subdermal augs, not just one. It was much harder to do though because you had to locate two aug canisters that had the cloaks in them, as opposed to this game where you can get them whenever you find a canister.
It did have ragdoll physics though. So there's that...
Ragdoll physics are awesome!
I'm following the Deus Ex: Reborn+ project with hopes of replaying Deus Ex 1 with body ragdoll physics one day
Lol I remember sending people flying with the smg & sniper as a kid
I remember this fiasco unfolding in real time, as the developers announced one Godawful design decision after another and the fans got on their knees and begged them not to do it. They didn't listen to the fans. At all.
a little trivia for 15:53 :
in Mass Effect, the weapons are ballistic based (except for those that aren't).
The projectile comes from a block of solid metal inside your weapon. The exact mass is calculated and taken from the block trough computer processing and miniature mass effect generators and shot at the target. Which is why you had infinite ammo in the first game and only cooling clips in the second (and third, I think).
The more you know
One of my favorite lore tidbits from the series! :D
@@saintallison have you read the books? If you like the world building the codex and planet descriptions provide, then you'll love the books.
The original three, by Drew Karpyshyn, of course. Not the Andromeda disasters...
@@MrFreshBanana I read Revelation before playing the first game in 2012, and I absolutely loved it! To be completely honest I've never played 2, but if Karpyshyn wrote tie-in novels I'll definitely check them out! I was cautious about continuing the series after hearing so many complaints about 3 since I didn't want be disappointed, but being much older now I think I could appreciate the good in the series even if it doesn't end as well as it should have.
@@saintallison To be honest, I don't remember the state 2 and 3 were in on release, but with all the DLCs and updates they are absolutely worth your time. I vaguely remember being disappointed by 3s ending. But on my recent play through I wasn't. Don't know if I've grown up a bit or they really fixed the ending.
Best, if you start with 1 again, to refresh yourself, and also to import the same character into all three games
With that Bioware clearly didn't care all that much about the combat to add a reload button, and just made a semi-scientific lore reason to justify it. Not that I'm complaining, but it is a pretty clear case of the lore justifying the gameplay as opposed to vice versa.
I had completly suppresed the memory of this game.
Funny thing about you poking holes in the Helios ending: Ion Storm knew it wasn't the perfect plan either. One of their scrapped game ideas was a sequel to invisible war taking place after the Helios merger, which would've shown that JC's posthuman civilization didn't go as perfectly as he'd advertised, and there were multiple factions resisting his leadership. [One of which was led by Paul Denton himself, who believed JC and Helios were becoming corrupt.]
The coffe shop quests are the only thing I can remember of this game ^^
I never noticed the Moby Dick reference in the coffee shop names before! Clearly a nod to another famous coffee chain that goes by the name of the first mate.
Love that coffee shop music too
The one in Seattle where the VOX club owner asks you to kill an arms dealer is fun too, mostly because you can fuck over everyone involved.
as an aspiring game dev who's one of his favorite games were deux ex, this video was really helpful, thank you.
9:36 I look at this a bit differently. The swimming skill and aqualung aug synergize to make you a SUPER SWIMMER. (One wiki claims that maxing out both gives you *ten minutes* of breath meter) The mistake was making swimming matter so rarely in play that most players hesitate to put skill points into it, let alone skill points *and* upgrade canisters.
44:55 the reason for the Order to kill you in the tarsus assault is because they were actually under Saman´s orders. Lin-May Chen was completely unaware of it.
Suffered from the same consolitis as the third Thief game. That game still had an interesting story, though.
In my opinion, Thief Deadly Shadows still turned out very good, it was the limitations that kept it from reaching its full potential. Whereas this game was deliberately overly simplified in addition to the hardware limitations.
I have a few memories of the things I did playing this game between 6-12 y/o.
1. Playing basketball in the first area.
2. Getting lost/running out of ammo in the Germany level because kids are dumb.
3. Attempting to kill a penguin with a guided missile (in my dad's save file, because like I said, I got lost and never made it that far).
4. Throwing a gas grenade into a room full of children because they actually let you attack kids in this game.
Actually in Deus Ex 1 you very well could have both cloaking augmentations if you wanted to. You had three torso slots, and that was the only thing that limited you. That and the contents of augmentation canisters. But if you found two cloak/radar transparency canisters and had two free subdermal aug slots, you could install them both with no problems. You'd of course miss out on a slot to use for a defensive aug like ballistic protection that way, but otherwise it's open season bro
What a perfect review in terms of research and analysis. Great work!
The only thing I actually appreciated is being proficient with all weapons without having to use skill points. The original Deus Ex was just not fun at the start when your gun was as accurate as a musket prototype.
Yeah. You have to close enough to see someone's pores to guarantee a hit with a firearm even with decent points in that weapon's proficiency. I just sneak around cattle prodding people instead.
Weapon mods did speed this process up though, so if there was a particular weapon you really liked using, you could just invest most of your mods into that weapon and pretty quickly turn it into a laser. I was already able to play it like a shooter before leaving New York.
Well if you like run and gun games then yea, though I liked the way Deus Ex forced you to think of other ways to deal with enemies, you could go non lethal or avoid conflict entirely, and over time when you accumulate weapon mods and skill points you can run and gun as much as you wanted.
@@SmallLegacy Honestly I justify didn't like how a a cyber cop has worse aim than my grandma. It's good to have options and I've played HR mostly in stealth and using non lethals, but it was fun to have an option to just blast someone.
@@HappyZavulon I Personally disagree, I think the system works quite well. The problem is that the hit registration for enemies, sound design, and animation doesn't make it feel like you're hitting anything. Hell, the 10mm pistol in DX1 is fairly broken if you invest into it and can down most enemies with a headshot.
I hope that EYE: Divine Cybermancy will get a retrospective.
Mandalore gaming already did a great video about it:
ruclips.net/video/AScCVzENcjs/видео.html
When he said „Invisible war“ at 45:28 I legit understood „Miserable war“ and I thought he sung a pun in there.
I watched too much Joseph Anderson man.
I loved this game, so very much.
I’d love to see a review of this game by someone who ACTUALLY loved it instead of legit everyone hating on it lol
Great video! Love the coverage
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend Invisible War is by any means as good as the original Deus Ex it's still a lot of fun and a lot of the issues most people have I find to be kind of nitpicking
I won't call it nitpicking when you can literally knock out _everything_ in this game with a baton just by maxing out strength and EMP melee damage. It's fun but it also makes the experience really numb and unintentionally hilarious because no one bothered to fix this. Not even DX1 gotten this bad.
I had Invisible War on original Xbox and me and my brother would play it for HOURS on end just using the pick up random item and throw it at people.
As we never played Half Life so this was our fight experience with a "grav gun" controllable environment type of play.
Still have memories of the Egypt level and running around the class room vents or w/e they were.
39:51 Yeah, you should tell that to the family of David Dorn and others who lost their lives during the summer of love.
He's an overeducated, middle class, English man with alot of self loathing in regards to his own ethnicity... The types of circles he hangs around in on Reddit etc has conditioned him to think and speak a certain way.
As a Brit I've met countless middle class students and graduates who speak and act out just like him, they all think a certain way and generally are so entrenched in their socialist mindsets nothing can shake them out of it.
He is a walking, talking stereotype at this point with little ability to truly think for himself.
I can’t wait for your critique of the newest deus ex!!
(0:00-4:00) That thesis could apply to all of the Deus Ex games after the original by those standards.
Mankind Divided is really good though, but they never get the gunplay quite right tbh. that's the price we pay
@@clone796 : The complaint about keycodes is interesting because in later Deus Ex if one knew the code it was revealed at entry, otherwise one had to hack.
The grenade/mines, the lockpicks, the multitools, the hacking, the armour suits and such are the things that make me actually play Deus Ex past the first level.
I love all these weird utility items and that I can specialize in them. They are amazing!
Keep up the good work! I’m lookin forward to the next CRPG vid. It’s been great to watch you take that journey through them.
Damn, sounds like you're having the same problem I had running IW. Even with Visible Upgrade and setting the game to run off of a single core, I still get those black screens on loading zones. Though I didn't think to kill the processes in hopes that it eventually works out. I'll remember that.
All you need is to turn off nvidia overlay, that causes the issue
@@kova1711 You know what's weird? The Visible Upgrade changes the in-game font to OCR A (which I'm a big fan of), but i's harder to read than Handel Gothic (for me, at least).
8:28 DX:II doesn't have locational damage, so a head shot deals as much damage as a foot shot, another thing dumbed down because it was incorrectly believed console players couldn't manage head shots to take advantage of them
... although that's not the whole truth, locational damage DID exist, but it would only apply when using a scoped weapon... so yes II DID have locational damage but it was removed unless shooting through a scope :C what were they thinking :/
Me : Oh cool, Invisible WAr, I always wanted to play it, wonder if it's worth it
Chris : the good thing about Invisible War is that you really don't need to play it
I played it
eh
there are worst ways to spend your time, you can give it a shot lol
I second Alessandro's comment - I played it when it originally came out - It was alright - I played all of the different endings, and yes - the game is a lot smaller / shorter, but still fun. Although Human Revolution or Mankind Divided are both better.
It is a waste of time, if a game is bad, let it be entertainingly so, this game is boring.
If you like the Deus Ex world then it's worth playing. It's not that bad
You _really_ don't need to play it. There's nothing that's so groundbreaking that it requires you to invest the time. The "big twists" (WTO and Order being the same, JC Denton being alive, Paul somehow(?) being alive) are either given short-shift or don't really mean anything until it's too late to care. The gameplay is so ho-hum that i found it to be a chore.
I turned the game on and the UI immediately made me nauseous, it's like Alex runs iPod arkanoid as his main OS
You came all the way to Paris to tell me that?
This was one of my all time favorite games
I like this game back then. The gameplay is more streamlined compared to the first game, but its still an enjoyable game on its own right.
The lighting back then is sublime.
great vid, you got a sub! Can you do human revolution next? I got the deluxe edition a few weeks ago on sale for $5 on xbox one x
It wasn't "a few broken windows". It was people's lively hoods. These small (mostly black owned) businesses will never recover.
He's not here for a debate. He just wants to bate you and mock you in the next video. You're just an “internet baby” to people like him just let it go
He always at least puts one virtue signal in his videos
@@humidsnake1291 this one comes out of nowhere to.
Ah, so he snuck a pro-BrunLootMurder rant in this one. Good to know that i can skip this video as well.
ok internet baby
I still hold this as my favorite game of all time, and I know how much others hate it. But to be fair, it was the first game that I played that had a story beyond "kill everything because you have a gun" and I'm sure if I were on PC instead of console and had the first game that would be above this, but it remains so to me and apparently only me.
yeah i played it after the original deus ex & really enjoyed it. the first 1 was more immersive imo but this had some great missions, like rescuing the kids in the tarsus academy & the abandoned antarctic base. very atmospheric.
It's my favorite of the bunch
I have a lot of good memories playing this for real. Never played he original.
I honestly think that Deus Ex 2 could make a really interesting reimagining, keep some plot points and characters like Alex and J.C. Denton, but change the gameplay and setting to something that feels like a true sequel to Deus Ex.
Always happy to see more content from you
Just picked up human Revolution. The lore is dope and I’m digging the gameplay. Might check the older ones out eventually
You gotta play the original
Today the augmentation system would have also 3, the third one would do the same thing as 1 and 2 combined and could eihter be acquired by 30 hour grind or be bought in the ingame shop for fantasy money.
Can't wait to hear you opinions on Resident Evil 6!
I love it when i see a new
Chris Davis video in my youtube recommendations.
He is my favorite game-talky person.
39:50
I never cringed so hard so far into a video
The worst part of the Xbox was how ALL PC games started to be like this. That's why that argument resonates so well. FPS games went from 90 FOV to default 45-60 (for consoles). They went from large maps and levels to bite sized ones (for consoles limited ram). Controls used to be all encompassing to limited (for console controllers; no F-keys for your augments on a controller).
I feel like this game was held back by the hardware of the era more than anything.
algorithm comment, hyped to watch it!
In an admittedly weak defense of the game, I think it's technical graphics were fairly impressive for the time. The models had high poly counts and the light and shadow effects were eye-catching.
That being said, good graphics alone do not make a good game. They should have just finished making thief 3 first and then worked on the deus ex sequel.
I remember playing on the original Xbox and being blown away by the ragdoll physics . Tossing bodies over fences never got old to a young naive me lol
Coming back to this game a couple years later, I think the main reason I wanted to enjoy it (keyword wanted) was because I enjoyed the first game so much and I wanted to experience more of its world and the consequences of my decisions as a player. It was interesting to see how the story acknowledged each of the different endings and allowed you to made a more final choice this time, including the semi-secret Omar ending.
2:46 - I suggest we go with "Disney Live Action" as the code for this situation... :D
I loved this game as a kid. Also I had NOT played the original so there was no expectations going in. And the demo was interesting enough.
damn in USA, 1 billion dollars in damages for broken windows, those are some damn expensive windows
Chrono Cross is the only 'false sequel' I really consider legit. I mean, the game has interesting mechanics, amazing soundtrack, great graphics as a late era PSX game, and the story is intriguing... up until near the end they go 'Oh yeah, this is a sequel to Chrono Trigger', and completely shit all over the characters from Chrono Trigger. So it's a fine game on its own, but I really hate it as a sequel to Chrono Trigger.
you can't be a false sequel when the events of trigger are why cross even happened.
Resident Evil 4? Metal Gear Rising Revengeance?
@@JonathanPaspula re 4 is still connected to the rest of the series. mgrr is a spin off not a sequel.
Trier is pronounced as Treer (more or less).
Invisible war was my introduction to the immersive sim genre. Not the best example of the style, but I'll always have a special place in my heart for it. I had consoles at the time.
Same for me, I was on the og Xbox back then. Both Invisible War and Chronicles of Riddick blew my mind with their worlds. Maybe IW is a step down from the original but it was great in its own way. Someone who starts playing Deus Ex with it will like it more. I did.
Just because people disagree with you, that doesn't make them 'angry internet babies'.
That kind of argument makes yourself look bad.
It almost looks like intentional irony. He used the "tapestries of ignorance" line from JC as well as his criticisms of how the protagonist takes the Denton's ideas as gospel without answering back...
That sounds like a person frustrated with dealing with people who assume their moral and intellectual superiority over you, and irritation at having to deal with them.
Either its irony or a critical failure of self-awareness.
Have you read their comments? I could hear them crying and stomping their feet from here.
Feels like Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance next to the original - it's Baldur's Gate, but not really.
thats a bad example. da was not pretending to be a sequel. if anything baldurs gate 3 fits more.
@@megamike15 Invisible War doesn't call itself "Deus Ex 2" either. From the name it sounds more like a spin off, rather than a sequel.
As for bg3 i do admit i'm not a fan of the direction it's going for, but we'll see when it's released.
My buddy just brought this over and we played it. My first time seeing it
I was able to acquire a dual pack of this and DX1 for cheap on Ebay. To run them smoothly, especially DX2, I went into my bios and disabled multi-core computing and turbo boost. Then I set the ATA mode to IDE and enabled full legacy support, in order to install Windows XP on my second hard drive. Between Windows XP and CPU limitations at the bios level, my DX2 gameplay seems to be running fairly smoothly. It's definitely a ridiculous setup, but I enjoy using older OSes from time to time.
Virtualization sounds like it would be an easier path unless one needs hardware accuracy.
great content! made me want to replay deus ex, albeit not this one!
Go for Thief Deadly Shadows against previous 2 games next time, also try vanilla and gold patch versions where chunks of maps was combined into big maps and fixed one of the biggest flaws that also limited invisible wars.
Deadly shadows was fantastic even if inferior to 1 and 2
Even aa my first DX i knew it couldnt have been living up to the hype.
Well it's not a bad game. But it is not the game we expected to get after the hype around it
I like your content man but there is a lot more nuance to the broken windows comment I saw multiple business owned by colored people in my city of Chicago burned to the ground and it was something really sad to see man. The truth is that situation shouldn’t have never happened in the first place. I remember fearing my place of work (a small business) was going to get burnt to the ground and I think had you experienced something like that you think twice about that comment and I’m saying this as a colored person
Agree, it was more than just a few broken windows. It's also kind of offensive to me to have someone who has probably never even visited the country but making comments like that.
running it on linux with proton worked great I have a pov and wide screen mod I had to put in the settings script
Cool Vid.
Deus Ex Invisible War is a good game. It is way better than Human Revolution. HR was not even an immersive sim.
This story summary immediately becomes far more compelling if, like me, you accidentally mishear 'JC' as 'Jay Z'
Deus Ex IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT
this is the first deus ex game i ever played as a kid lmao
Great vid as usual
It should have been titled Deus ex : visible loading
Great video from an extremely handsome sounding man
Ok, I’ll bite: Broken windows of black people’s businesses do negatively affect their lives; more so, if they are set on fire afterwards; and the lives and well-being of people, who put a lot of hard work, made something of themselves, and helped their communities, objectively matter more than whatever is that sad existence of the drags doing the breaking and arson in the name of some dragon-chasing gang-banger, who posthumously became a millionaire, literally proving that he’s worth more dead than alive. I’m looking forward to the continuation of your analysis of the current sociopolitical climate in the next video! Just don’t bury the lead - your videos usually knock me out after 20 minutes or so. It’s a miracle I got that far in this one!
His game analyses are really good but he is one hell of a champagne socialist with a tendency to lecture people on what is good for them.
hey bro, have you heard of "insurance".
@@mcteethinator Yes, because insurance companies are universally known for immediately paying you the full sum required to make you whole, no questions asked.
Invisible War development can be summed up with one asinine question:
"Why play a videogame when you can watch a movie?"
I always used a Baton for attacking. Electrical baton.
Wonderful video as always. May the algorithm smile on you
I love this game, warts and all. But the most memorable part for me, and something I found very pertinent in 2022, was the part in Cairo where you can prevent a school shooting planned by Templars targeting kids for being modified. I still think that was an underrated and ballsy addition by the writers.
Good analysis, I'm interested to see what you think of Human Revolution. I remember really liking it at the time, but I wonder how it compares to the original and how well it's aged 9 years later. Keep up the good work!
Human Revolution imo was good but like a lot of post 2001 immersive sims there is usually one design flaw that holds it back from greatness. In DE1 you make decisions on how to approach a problem organically, but in HR you usually choose at the beginning if you want stealth or combat.
39:28 Dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as "angry internet babies" is (ironically enough) quite childish. I read the comments you refer to and, far from being angry or accusatory, they were for the most part simply sharing a different perspective on the game's story. Explaining why one disagrees with a certain conclusion does not make one an "angry internet baby", and it is perfectly fine to express such an opinion.
While I'm sure there were a handful of comments that provided nothing other than hate, such comments are par for the course on RUclips. If those hateful comments, assuming they do or did exist, are what you were specifically referring to, you should have stated as much out of respect for your audience. Name-calling communicates little but insecurity and immaturity on your part.
I liked this game, it was the first immersive sim I played, I rinsed the demo and bought it as soon as it came out. Something about the hard shadow and ultra harsh normal maps aesthetic is cool as fuck. It's not realistic but it's rad.
That Ubisoft burn, haha.
3:28 lmao YES
I enjoyed this game a lot as a kid but guess I had rose tinted goggles at the time because I'd forgotten about alot of the issues this game had in it. I know I absolutely loved the first game as well when I played I on ps2 but yeah I realize now that the first was quite a lot better than invisible war. I still found it to be a fun time although no where near as much as the first game.
I remember modifying the UI on this and wound up really enjoying it. I still remember the last snow levels and the sound of the arctic snow underfoot. I have no idea why this stands out to me after such a long time.
Is it only this game in particular or any snow level in any game? Cause for some reason I enjoy them a lot,games, films, books whatever is set in harsh, snowy environment I love it.
@@sebastiansochanski Good question. I think this one seemed to do it best relative to other games I'd played at the time? The crunch of the snow underfoot sounded different... like a superfrozen arctic snow that felt more like styrofoam than anything else. I really liked it. I also had all the speed upgrades and a sword, so I felt like a predator racing over the open environments.
One thing I loved about IW is every level has its own atmosphere. The eerie, cold arctic. The sterile, soulless (in a good way), modern Upper Seattle. The sinister, gothic Templar hideout. Etc. It's the opposite of Deus Ex: Human Revolution where everything just blends together into one yellow meh.
At least they gave it a proper ending. I'm looking at you mankind divided.
Let me just disagree on one thing. The original Deus Ex was head of its time regarding to the story. It predicted a terrorist attack that changed the world. It predicted a pandemic that its starting to change the world. And seeing pharmaceuticals companies who hold the covid vaccines starting to hold countries that need their vacjnes in their hands seems very Deus Ex 1 to me.
Other then that, I loved your video and now going to watch the Human Revolution critique.
Invisible War was probably my very big gaming disappointment ever. Deus Ex 1 was and stil is one of top 5 games ever and my only two memories of the sequel was installing it and beeing hyper excited for playing Deus Ex 2, then having the game crashing over and over and when I got it to work thinking: "where's the skills???"
Great video mate.
Deus Ex had a 40 hours campaign? I finished it in about 16 hours, while taking my time and exploring the maps quite a bit...
In retrospect, this game was the advanced herald of the Dark Ages of PC gaming. It was the first in a series of games that signalled the destruction of the platform, which was only revived thanks to Steam and crowd funding.
Was great on original xbox
I'm still not convinced that length or difficulty are commensurate with quality, but your criticisms of the narrative and gameplay are thoughtful and well articulated. Nice work.
Operation snowblind next maybe?
I played this when quite young and before the original, so I was able to enjoy it a lot as I’d not played anything quite like it at that point
Then I played the original, which I realised was better in almost every way (save rag doll physics!) Playing as a more analytic adult nowadays, the almost insulting simplicity of the game and even its worldbuilding finally ended my rosy nostalgia for it
Btw, in regards to the Order attack at the start being dismissed as an ‘overzealous captain’, there actually is a reason for it and not just an excuse for target practice. In the Order’s mission in Seattle you’ll encounter that captain, Lamar, and learn that he’s working with the Templars
I actually loved this game and thief 3. I hadn't played the originals, but these were not poor games
Invisible War was one of the first PC games, ported from xbox to PC. It basically started the consolization era, which eventually ended the single player first person shooters and rts games, while dumbing down all other genres.
I played this mess purely on the greatest of the previous Dues Ex but it completely stained the series. Thanks for this video.
Same here. Awful experience.
sigh, so underrated
5:53 sounds a whole lot like 343 Industries.
My uncle had a homosexual relationship with Guillermo Del Toro's father
I actually love the visual style of this game