Long post ahead but hear me out. I have a background in marketing and my observation is the pricing difference comes down to how Ford and Chevy are positioning their trucks in the CONSUMER market. Simply put, Ford is positioning their trucks as premium products and Chevy has decided to position their trucks as the value leader. Ford is always emphasizing where their trucks are best in class; like light weight aluminum body, most powerful gas V8 engines, most powerful diesel engines, highest tow capacity, highest payload etc. Ford also offers luxury features not found on Chevys like panoramic sunroofs and massaging seats. Chevy is going to market their trucks as the alternative that gives you 90% of what Ford can do for less money. Chevy is going to focus more on their truck being for the average Joe and their history of building hard working trucks. You won't ever hear them say "best in class" (because they aren't in most categories) but they will advertise their trucks towing and carrying heavy loads with a blue collar guy behind the wheel. This is to emphasize that a Chevy can do that also but for less money. They will also appeal to their loyal fan base. However, notice that in the commercial area Ford flips it and is much more competitive on price with Chevy to position Ford as the better value. They will have a XL at a very similar price as a Chevy WT but still have the best in class advantages. More power, payload and tow capacity than Chevy for almost the same money. Here the Ford will look like the one that gives you more for the money. You also have to look at the entire product lineup to see how this is playing out. Over at Ford you have your regular Fords but also the Bronco, Bronco Raptor, F-150 Raptor and Raptor R and the upcoming Ranger Raptor. Chevy has the ZR-2 for the trucks but nothing to compete with the Broncos. And even then the ZR2 it's not really a direct competitor for the Raptors. Here you can see how Ford is positioning Ford trucks as a premium product. That Ford logo on your XLT F-350 is also on that Raptor and Bronco that everybody wants. Most business scholars will tell you Ford has the better strategy. People will buy what they can afford but will always aspire to have the premium product. Ram has done this transition brilliantly. Ram used to be the cheapest truck you could buy but they slowly and methodically reinvented Ram as a luxury truck. And to solidify that premium product affiliation they came up with the TRX and Hellcats as halo products and pushed the Mopar name to tie all the brands together so you know Jeep, Dodge and Ram are the same company. You never want to have the product people settle for, you want to have the product people want.
well thought out post i agree ford has a better system to convey there product line to the consumer. if you look back they all follow the leader which is ford.
@@scarharting5577 it’s a Chevy with a different grill and headlights and a marketing department that’s convinced some people that it’s more premium than a Chevy.
@@khakiswag never understood on why have 2 competing truck in the same market ford did the same thing and took it off the market ASAP with the lincoln f 150 and took that and made the platinum f150. i def think GM has some knuckle heads in upper management who dont understand.
I grew up a Ford person but I ordered a Silverado HD just because of all the options I can add for the price of a basic XLT. Ford doesn't let you option out much without moving up trim levels.
Dodge Ram Man! I am. The Ford Stronger. Chevy front independent suspension weak link! Ford #1 in heavy duty suspension too! Hey Cowboy don't get me wrong the Chevy nice but the 37" tires you are asking for trouble. #1 big Brody tires will kill the suspension. You know that solid axel's are for heavy duty towing. #2 Your vehicle under factory warranty? You can lose your warranty because the 37" tires you put on. Now the dealership tells you your warranty voided because you put oversize tires! So Be Careful. And for a bonus. GM makes heavy duty towing trucks? It's the GMC truck not Chevy brand! That 6.7 Ford is stronger! When it comes to towing. Speed not the key? It's torque 1200ft! Now who is A# king of the 🛣️ ²? On paper it's Ford 6.7 compound turbos! No competition
SAME. Ford guy my whole life as well but they’re on crack with the way they make you pay for a bunch of stuff you don’t need to be able to get the ones you want. Bought a Sierra HD.
You don't like having to add a $9000 package to get that $245 seat option? What is wrong with you? lol Why they even list them as itemized options if its an all or nothing I will never understand.
@@SurelyYewJestactually, GM is known for not listing the vehicle specific numbers on the payload/towing stickers. That payload and towing capacity is not correct for that specific Chevy. You have to go to a GM app and enter you VIN and some other info to get your correct payload info based on your truck’s configuration and options. As a GM fan, I hate this fact. Both Ford and Ram have payload/towing information stickers that accurately reflect the specific truck, configuration and options that the sticker is placed on.
Maybe… but the Ford only had 74k miles on it, meticulously maintained and left my family and toy hauler on the side of the road in the middle of the desert twice, and of course Ford tried to deny any repairs. It was a nice truck but for us, it was time to try something else.
@@supermovieron first time was dpf sensor failure, truck went into reduced power then just shut itself down, second was the notorious 2012 turbo failure. I’ve had the Chevy for 13 months, still love it.
I just bought the 24 LTZ 2500HD duramax and i love it. I love Cummins and power-stroke also! It comes down to preference. I don’t like the Bosch fuel pumps or the greatly needed transmission update for the 6 speed in the RAM. Might as well have a three speed on the column!😂
Your Chevy looks nice but my next truck after the F350 is a F450 Lariat rigged out with the HO 6.7 and gooseneck options. I will get a lot of the niceties that I want without the higher trim level, cost will be higher but the turning radius is important when hauling. I have kept my truck mostly stock except for adding a 12k winch. Will make it easier to sell. Enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
@@Billybob50119tried to order it separately on a Sierra 3500 SLE, no can do. It requires the HD Pro Safety package, which then adds another package. The $250 camera turns into $3,780 in options.
I have never pulled into a place that I couldn’t get in because I needed more turning radius. Nothing you can say that would make me pick the Ford over your dually😂
As a 2 time going on maybe 3 time F450 owner I have to give you credit for your video. You explained everything perfectly. I actually just went and looked at a 3500 Chevy and I was impressed with it for the price but I do tow a 45 foot fifth wheel and the 450 is the tow master. I am seriously going to take another look at the Chevy or GM before my next 450.
Thanks for the video. I have a '24 3500 LTZ. If your differential holds extra fluid, the cooling fins are not as necessary. I like the information screens (measurements) on the Ford's screen. Apparently, user feedback is why the Chevy's HVAC controls are not digital. My Chevy has 360-degree camera views. Yes, the Chevy should have a larger fuel tank. Titan fuel tanks offers a 60-gallon version.
The one missing data point here is that the pickup F-450 is actually a Class 3 truck since its maximum factory GVWR is 14,000lbs like your Class 3 Silverado 3500. This is also why the pickup F-450 has an unimpressive payload figure. Aft of the cab, the pickup F-450 and the chassis-cab F-450 are different products; the chassis-cab version has a higher payload but lower towing (not by much). So what you have is the classic distinction between the Silverado and the Ford, with Ford trading ride quality and handling for maneuverability in the 19.5 wide-track front axle setup, and GM focusing more on ride quality than maneuverability with the IFS and heavier duty springs and axles. I am fairly shocked GM couldn't have put the 360 camera setup on yours...at the LTZ level I just expect those kinds of things. But, I have noticed that Super Duties seem to have available 360 cameras no matter how low the trim is. Even if you added cameras though, the increase would be what, $500-800 from the factory? it definitely would not make an LTZ thousands more expensive.
If you look at his window sticker, his truck only has a few options. I know there are many more available, 360 cameras are probably one of those that didn’t get chosen.
GM makes a 4500, it's just a different chassis and as far as stock Continental tires on the Ford, they're the first thing you want to change or throw out. Terrible tires. Thay being said. I love your truck. Pretty badass and I own a 450.
For starters, you still have to go into the app to find your ACTUAL tow rating on your Chevy. Unless they changed it for 2024, it’s been discussed before, the #’s on the door are misleading. 2nd; as you said, the #’s on the ford are debated to meet 14k, but that same rear axle on the cab & chassis trucks is rated for around 13k & the front around 7500.
I am not sure if I just missed one of you videos. But could you show under tge front end of you chevy with the leving kit on it. I am thanking about doing the same to my gmc?
I'm a Ford fan boy and with that said I still have to admit that you have a beautiful truck! The F450 is the tow master of Ford's heavy duty trucks so if you need a truck for with more payload capabilities you'll go with the F350. Check out the number of the F350 against your truck for a better payload comparison.
I'm pretty biased (I've bought 5 Chevy 2500's for my business over the past 2 years), but the Chevy HD's just look so good. Their front ends, proportions, beds, every are just really top notch. I wish their 1500's were half as attractive.
I know Ford have been able to show the gear you are in for the last 10+ years. I have a 2013 F-150 FX4 with the larger center dash info center, and when I press the +/- on the shifter, that's when it shows the gear on the display. I can turn it on or off, and then if it's shown, and I press - on it, I can take gears away to lock them out so they won't go to it. Other trucks I have been in also do it, 2018 F-250, 2019 F-150 and F-250 all worked the same way. It will not shift to any gears or do anything except to display 1-6 or 1-10, pressing - will take away 6 or 10, then 5 or 9 etc. Pressing it quickly will make it turn off and go away. It will only work to manually change gears like a manual trans if it's in M mode. On your Chevy if you are in D, and press the +/- on the shifter, will it show it then? Not talking about going to the L, but staying in D and hitting them.
I'm towing 15k lb toy hauler with a 2016 3500 Duramax. The ride is smooth and we don't have any problems even when loaded with another 1200lbs of machines. We have thought about switching to a Ram or a 350 but Chevy makes em sexy.
For the same money or even a bit more my choice would be on the Super Duty F450. I’ve owned several f350 DRW trucks over the years. That wide track front axle is a game changer in the drivability of a dual rear wheel truck. Also, I’ll take the larger brakes of the F450 as well. I can go on and on, but those are the two main reasons why the F450 would be my choice. It is currently.
The F450 pickup uses the same axle (Dana M300 housing -usually 11.8" ring gear with 12.4" ring gear - Dana M315) as the diesel F450 and F550 chassis cabs. The rear axle weight rating is artificially low on the F450 pickup with the same axle being rated at 15,500 lbs in other applications.
That Chevy looks pretty darn good. That turning radius and HP though on the ford, takes it. I’m not a fan boy either I’ve owned both, in fact own an Srw 1 ton gmc but have a 450 on order. Towing an 18000lb fifth wheel
Coming from an engineering background if you have to tell more than 22,000 pounds then I highly recommend the F450 because the turning apparatus is amazing compared to the 3500 Ramen silver. However if all you need to under 22,000 or less than a super duty or a F250 would do the job . If you’re doing something specific like towing horses or cows on a trailer then get the Delta
Maybe you should do a comparison video of the Ford F450 and the silverado 4500 to make it fair. The silverado 4500 and 5500 also have a wide track just like the Ford 450 and 550
Not gonna lie, the current F450 is a hard package to beat. Lol the new options on them they make damn good work trucks. But that new Silverado is far and away the sexiest on the road right now if you ask me. If ram and Chevy would step up and add a wide track front axle option. The F450 would have a run for its money
@@BigGyz680 oh no don’t get me wrong, Ide still probably pick the Ford if money wasn’t and issue for utility sake. But damn Ide have a hard time looking at her 😂
This is from my personal perspective from work. From purely a performance standpoint the f450 is a level ahead of other trucks. It pulls more than others and it's not even straining. Way better turning too. Now the pricing and luxury appeals can certainly go either way depending on your tastes. The chevy might win that.
If I had to choose one of the two truck, it’ll be the Ford f450, not bc it may be a better truck or tow more but bc I like the overall appearance of the ford over the Chevy, I also currently have a Chevy 1500
The Chevy can tow more since the ford and Chevy have similar GVWR but the f450 is heavier overall since it has the wider axle and beefier rear suspension.
@@Mjwest23 I do discuss a bit last Ford was very blocky I just sold my 2020 tremor and opted for a f350 dually. Really to me seems totally different even in a dual wheel the ride is impressive the seats are totally reduced and way more comfy than the GM products
@@burnedagain6187 good choice, but I personally would go for the f450 bc of the wide fenders and the turning radius, I’m not gonna lie also bc the wide fenders make the truck look a lot meaner
F450 is for towing F350 is for hauling GCWR for gooseneck or 5th wheel: F450 48,000lbs F350 43,900lbs. Bumper tow: F450 30,000# vs F350 28,000# I drive a F450 for the tight turning radius and the fact I tow 80# and haul 20% - literally a no brainer.
I wish that Ford and chevy and Ram would do old hard body style trucks with flare sides or doing some classic throwback trucks like the HighBoy or even making a Ranger 250 HIgh Boy truck and have chevy do a Cheyenne 4x4 hard body truck and Ram do a hard body little red Express. I love the old school hard body trucks
The F450 is extremely underrated. Look at the axle housing and axle shafts....look at the front axle and the turning radius etc. Ford did this to keep it in the Class 3 segment. Legally the F450 carries less than the F350
I love my 2022 Silverado. I've never been a Ford guy, I'd never take a Ford over a Chevy. Especially since Ford went full woke with their rainbow truck.... super gay.
Ford would win apple to apple. F450 cost more than an F350.Also around $2500 more for the upgraded diesel. Just throwing some gas on the fire. Plus I'm watching your videos so you can upgrade to a Ford F450. Like you ask in another video. lol Plus the F350 you can get 4:10 gearing.
If you want to see all the gauges that Chevy doesn’t show you and more just buy a cts3 I got one with the pulsar tuner for my 21 duramax. I can see what gear I am in and if it’s locked and so much more. I think the cts3 is like 300-400 bucks just plugs into your obs2
These are basically a 1 1/2 to 2 ton trucks made for hauling heavy loads almost like a 18 wheeler not for tall off road mudding truck, if I want a mudding truck I'd buy a high country or tremor
Agree. You have to know the “key words” in the ads. “Made in America”. But which one north, central or south?? Cuz ford has plants in Mexico. So. Notice all the key words
Not really sure what your “point” about the 450’s payload is. It’s de-rated for a specific reason. Your truck doesn’t have the same payload capability of the 450. Even more so with the heavier wheels and tires you put on there.
9:31 Actually GM is known for NOT listing the vehicle specific numbers on the payload/towing information stickers. That payload and towing capacity is not correct for that specific Chevy. You have to go to a GM app and enter you VIN and some other info to get your correct payload info based on your truck’s configuration and options. As a GM fan, I hate this fact. Both Ford and Ram have payload/towing information stickers that accurately reflect the specific truck, configuration and options that the sticker is placed on. Also, the GM trucks run a single stage engine brake as opposed to the Ford’s 2 stage engine brake. This allows for better control in downhill descents. I, myself have always loved GM trucks. Specifically Chevy’s (at least until the new styling on the heavy duty’s, GMC’s are still beautiful) However, I have to admit that your assessment of the differences is more based on cosmetics and comfort than actual capabilities. The Ford is Over-Engineered and targets a different customer. It is geared towards someone who is going to WORK the truck. Also your biggest point of contention is Price, but you’re comparing an F-450 vs. a 3500. If you’re wanting a proper comparison, you need to compare an F-350 vs a 3500 or an F-450 vs. a 4500. And get the accurate payload and towing number for your truck.
JB those 19.5 and the Continentals are the biggest things I HATE about my F-450. The truck would be so much better with regular 20's. It's a real PITA to find a place that will service a 19.5 commercial tire and also the continentals in the front wear like crap.
Excellent review both companies make great trucks but i wish gm would get rid of their junk IFS I hated my IFS so bad that I did an solid axle swap on my 08' sierra and my 22' Ltz and I love it and didn't look back👍🏿
I have the same Chevy but in the 2500. I love the IFS. It makes a major difference in ride quality…. I know.. everyone talks about the strength of the IFS compared to the solid axle. The truth is the IFS is fine and will have no strength issues. If your rock crawling and putting your front suspension under tremendous stress, then i could see the need for a solid axle. Let be honest, most of us are never rock crawling! I know I’m never doing it, so I’m fine with the IFS.
@@Rcol4427 I have a 1000+ pound snowplow for my 08' 3500 HD with a duramax engine and that IFS didn't like all that weight on the front end at all. One year I was snowplowing and I busted the aluminum front differential case, talk about mad🤦🏿♂️
If anyone thinks that's the 46+ moving points of the GM front IFS is just as strong or stronger than the 11 loints on a SFA. Just the pivot points and ball joints(3 per control arm x4) out number the entire SFA design. I'm waiting for someone to say that the rear IFS is stronger that the old live axle on the tahoe/sub/yukon/escalade. As a professional driver, I drive real vehicles everyday. We have busses with IFS systems rated at 16,500lbs(MCI J 4500). They drive nice, but they are far louder than the Prevost competition(live axle) and the Prevost drives better. These are $750k highway coaches but at 90k miles in every one of the J4500s we have got clunky and it drives you nuts listinging to the front suspension pound away for 13 bours a day. The only j4500 that didn't pound away in our fleet. Started doing it mid trip back in May when I was returning from NYC to Ontario Canada. I personally prefer the ride of my F350 over the fide of my wife's F150. On the same roads the super duty is better, only place it is not "better" in the larger potholes.
@@jnk26 I never said it was stronger. I said it is strong enough to hold up for all driving condition aside from major off-roading or rock climbing which most never do with their 100K trucks. If you comparing large buses and highway coaches, your in the wrong forum!
If you are lifting it and putting bigger tires, i will stay away from the chevy or GMC...that rack and pinion steering, though modern setup, has no way to out any great stablizer and will continue suffering terrible bump steer and from sloppy steering - esepcially if you go 38s...also any negative 44 offset needs a crazy 9inch lift due to the wierd boxy render design on GMCs and Chevys. A 2022 Platinum F450 just rocks.
I am not a truck guy by a long stretch but from the look of the trucks, Ford seems to be ready for work and the Chevy looks like ready go party/clubbing or something. Just my two cents!
Because the 450s have pitaful payload and ride horrible. The GM 3500 has more payload, higher rear axle rating and rides and drives so much better. FYI the payload sticker is a big deal. If you’re ever in a wreck towing lawyers will definitely use that rating to see if it was over with what you’re towing and with payloads scales ford will track if you have ever been over weight
Ford F450 for towing and 8' bed turning all day long. You also left out braking, motor option with HO motor giving 1200ftlbs of torque. Also the independent front suspension is costly to lift and eats tires under heavy service or high mileage conditions. There's a reason why you hardly see any Chevrolets being used by your regular automobile "Towing" company's. Too many moving parts in that front end. The F450 is for towing.
Ford is building their diesel engines in house now. Gm is still putting isuzu diesels in theirs. Ford has always had better interior quality. I'd take the f450.
A 3500 GM isnt comparable to an F450. You meed to compare the 6.6 gas to the 6.8 gas. The 7.3 is more torque and Hp that the 6.6 gas. There isnt a comparison for the 3.73 axle and the 7.3 gas DRW.
Looking under the ford. You can see the Chevy has better fit and finnish. The Ford has wires exposed, little insulation underneath. The chevy has better interior.
Long post ahead but hear me out. I have a background in marketing and my observation is the pricing difference comes down to how Ford and Chevy are positioning their trucks in the CONSUMER market. Simply put, Ford is positioning their trucks as premium products and Chevy has decided to position their trucks as the value leader. Ford is always emphasizing where their trucks are best in class; like light weight aluminum body, most powerful gas V8 engines, most powerful diesel engines, highest tow capacity, highest payload etc. Ford also offers luxury features not found on Chevys like panoramic sunroofs and massaging seats. Chevy is going to market their trucks as the alternative that gives you 90% of what Ford can do for less money. Chevy is going to focus more on their truck being for the average Joe and their history of building hard working trucks. You won't ever hear them say "best in class" (because they aren't in most categories) but they will advertise their trucks towing and carrying heavy loads with a blue collar guy behind the wheel. This is to emphasize that a Chevy can do that also but for less money. They will also appeal to their loyal fan base.
However, notice that in the commercial area Ford flips it and is much more competitive on price with Chevy to position Ford as the better value. They will have a XL at a very similar price as a Chevy WT but still have the best in class advantages. More power, payload and tow capacity than Chevy for almost the same money. Here the Ford will look like the one that gives you more for the money.
You also have to look at the entire product lineup to see how this is playing out. Over at Ford you have your regular Fords but also the Bronco, Bronco Raptor, F-150 Raptor and Raptor R and the upcoming Ranger Raptor. Chevy has the ZR-2 for the trucks but nothing to compete with the Broncos. And even then the ZR2 it's not really a direct competitor for the Raptors. Here you can see how Ford is positioning Ford trucks as a premium product. That Ford logo on your XLT F-350 is also on that Raptor and Bronco that everybody wants.
Most business scholars will tell you Ford has the better strategy. People will buy what they can afford but will always aspire to have the premium product. Ram has done this transition brilliantly. Ram used to be the cheapest truck you could buy but they slowly and methodically reinvented Ram as a luxury truck. And to solidify that premium product affiliation they came up with the TRX and Hellcats as halo products and pushed the Mopar name to tie all the brands together so you know Jeep, Dodge and Ram are the same company.
You never want to have the product people settle for, you want to have the product people want.
well thought out post i agree ford has a better system to convey there product line to the consumer. if you look back they all follow the leader which is ford.
You evidently never heard of GMC...
@@scarharting5577 it’s a Chevy with a different grill and headlights and a marketing department that’s convinced some people that it’s more premium than a Chevy.
@@khakiswag never understood on why have 2 competing truck in the same market ford did the same thing and took it off the market ASAP with the lincoln f 150 and took that and made the platinum f150. i def think GM has some knuckle heads in upper management who dont understand.
I think Chevy is prettier for woman comfort and design. Bigger knobs inside so they don’t break thei nails
The 23 Ford F450 with 6.7 HO, wide track turning , Dana M315 rear axle with 4.30s is hard to beat. Ill take the Ford, but you have a nice chevy.
That's the Dana M315(12.4" ring gear) the M300 is only available in the DRW gasser and SO diesel. The M300 is 11.8" ring gear.
Bigger brakes too
You have a nice truck. But the f450 is definitely the one I would take. Much more powerful
The ford has way more payload than the Chevy. so the suspension in chevy is not as strong as the ford
You forgot to point out that the ford’s leaf springs are also thicker than the GM leafs. So more leafs isn’t just flat out better.
I grew up a Ford person but I ordered a Silverado HD just because of all the options I can add for the price of a basic XLT. Ford doesn't let you option out much without moving up trim levels.
Dodge Ram Man! I am. The Ford Stronger. Chevy front independent suspension weak link! Ford #1 in heavy duty suspension too! Hey Cowboy don't get me wrong the Chevy nice but the 37" tires you are asking for trouble. #1 big Brody tires will kill the suspension. You know that solid axel's are for heavy duty towing. #2 Your vehicle under factory warranty? You can lose your warranty because the 37" tires you put on. Now the dealership tells you your warranty voided because you put oversize tires! So Be Careful. And for a bonus. GM makes heavy duty towing trucks? It's the GMC truck not Chevy brand! That 6.7 Ford is stronger! When it comes to towing. Speed not the key? It's torque 1200ft! Now who is A# king of the 🛣️ ²? On paper it's Ford 6.7 compound turbos! No competition
SAME. Ford guy my whole life as well but they’re on crack with the way they make you pay for a bunch of stuff you don’t need to be able to get the ones you want. Bought a Sierra HD.
You don't like having to add a $9000 package to get that $245 seat option? What is wrong with you? lol Why they even list them as itemized options if its an all or nothing I will never understand.
you reduced your payload on the Chevy with the additional wheel and tire weight.
Yes, but factory-for-factory the Silverado's capacity is greater.
@@SurelyYewJest not so in the 450 it can tow something like 41k
@@burnedagain6187 I meant his Silverado's capacity compared to that specific F-450, not across the board.
@@SurelyYewJestactually, GM is known for not listing the vehicle specific numbers on the payload/towing stickers. That payload and towing capacity is not correct for that specific Chevy. You have to go to a GM app and enter you VIN and some other info to get your correct payload info based on your truck’s configuration and options. As a GM fan, I hate this fact. Both Ford and Ram have payload/towing information stickers that accurately reflect the specific truck, configuration and options that the sticker is placed on.
@@jamesmarciel5237 you have it backwards, look in the door jam of your GM truck, not sure about Ram but Ford has nothing.
I traded in a F450 Lariat for a 2024 High Country drw 12 days ago. No regrets so far.
You will just sayin
Maybe… but the Ford only had 74k miles on it, meticulously maintained and left my family and toy hauler on the side of the road in the middle of the desert twice, and of course Ford tried to deny any repairs. It was a nice truck but for us, it was time to try something else.
What happened @blank0fff? Curious - I’m in the market for my toy hauler as well.
@@blank0fffyes please provide deets on the two incidents
@@supermovieron first time was dpf sensor failure, truck went into reduced power then just shut itself down, second was the notorious 2012 turbo failure. I’ve had the Chevy for 13 months, still love it.
I just bought the 24 LTZ 2500HD duramax and i love it. I love Cummins and power-stroke also! It comes down to preference. I don’t like the Bosch fuel pumps or the greatly needed transmission update for the 6 speed in the RAM. Might as well have a three speed on the column!😂
I like that Ford front end!
Chevy and gm need to start putting a wide track front axle and it will be the ultimate truck
They do on the silverado 4500 and 5500 just like ford on the f450 and f550
F450 is a better truck but that price tho. Limited f450 at the same price as gm and dodge I think most people would choose the ford.
Your Chevy looks nice but my next truck after the F350 is a F450 Lariat rigged out with the HO 6.7 and gooseneck options. I will get a lot of the niceties that I want without the higher trim level, cost will be higher but the turning radius is important when hauling. I have kept my truck mostly stock except for adding a 12k winch. Will make it easier to sell. Enjoy your videos, keep up the good work.
Just ordered fully loaded f450 lariat. Woo hoo
The bed view camera should come with the gooseneck prep package. GM forces you into expensive option packages to get it.
FYI the bed view camera is an option on its own. Just like all other manufacturers…
@@Billybob50119tried to order it separately on a Sierra 3500 SLE, no can do. It requires the HD Pro Safety package, which then adds another package. The $250 camera turns into $3,780 in options.
I have never pulled into a place that I couldn’t get in because I needed more turning radius. Nothing you can say that would make me pick the Ford over your dually😂
Trucks like these should be parked in the back less door dings and you can just pull up and park not have to wait for a spot.
So you drive a Ram? 🤡👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Lol! If i get a chance to get a 450, I may try and do the same thing to it 👀🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@JB_WhoWork that would be a tough call 😂
So you don't actually back in anywhere
You might as well get rid of your spare tire. It’s just adding weight at this point
Great comparison video JB. I think I would get the F-450 XLT vs. XL.
Take a Peterbilt truck and de-rate it;
It still will has more power more braking, better tires just tows better,
The same with the F450.
As a 2 time going on maybe 3 time F450 owner I have to give you credit for your video. You explained everything perfectly. I actually just went and looked at a 3500 Chevy and I was impressed with it for the price but I do tow a 45 foot fifth wheel and the 450 is the tow master. I am seriously going to take another look at the Chevy or GM before my next 450.
Sweet truck man! I'm partial to Rams but man that blacked out chevy on 37's looks 🔥 👌
Great video man but I’m still biased on my Ford F450. I just love that truck man. It’s a great truck with that great pulling capacity.
Honestly for me it’s the hood scoop on the Chevy that gets me every time… love my 20’ LTZ Dually
The Chevy looks SOOOOO much better!
My dually 350 Chevy from 1990 still runs
Thanks for the video. I have a '24 3500 LTZ. If your differential holds extra fluid, the cooling fins are not as necessary. I like the information screens (measurements) on the Ford's screen. Apparently, user feedback is why the Chevy's HVAC controls are not digital. My Chevy has 360-degree camera views. Yes, the Chevy should have a larger fuel tank. Titan fuel tanks offers a 60-gallon version.
The one missing data point here is that the pickup F-450 is actually a Class 3 truck since its maximum factory GVWR is 14,000lbs like your Class 3 Silverado 3500. This is also why the pickup F-450 has an unimpressive payload figure. Aft of the cab, the pickup F-450 and the chassis-cab F-450 are different products; the chassis-cab version has a higher payload but lower towing (not by much). So what you have is the classic distinction between the Silverado and the Ford, with Ford trading ride quality and handling for maneuverability in the 19.5 wide-track front axle setup, and GM focusing more on ride quality than maneuverability with the IFS and heavier duty springs and axles.
I am fairly shocked GM couldn't have put the 360 camera setup on yours...at the LTZ level I just expect those kinds of things. But, I have noticed that Super Duties seem to have available 360 cameras no matter how low the trim is. Even if you added cameras though, the increase would be what, $500-800 from the factory? it definitely would not make an LTZ thousands more expensive.
I think the surround view still comes with the Safety 2 option, which has several other features.
If you look at his window sticker, his truck only has a few options. I know there are many more available, 360 cameras are probably one of those that didn’t get chosen.
GM makes a 4500, it's just a different chassis and as far as stock Continental tires on the Ford, they're the first thing you want to change or throw out. Terrible tires. Thay being said. I love your truck. Pretty badass and I own a 450.
For starters, you still have to go into the app to find your ACTUAL tow rating on your Chevy. Unless they changed it for 2024, it’s been discussed before, the #’s on the door are misleading. 2nd; as you said, the #’s on the ford are debated to meet 14k, but that same rear axle on the cab & chassis trucks is rated for around 13k & the front around 7500.
I believe it’s called fins on the rear dif cover. Could be wrong but I don’t think so.
I am not sure if I just missed one of you videos. But could you show under tge front end of you chevy with the leving kit on it. I am thanking about doing the same to my gmc?
I'm a Ford fan boy and with that said I still have to admit that you have a beautiful truck! The F450 is the tow master of Ford's heavy duty trucks so if you need a truck for with more payload capabilities you'll go with the F350. Check out the number of the F350 against your truck for a better payload comparison.
I'm pretty biased (I've bought 5 Chevy 2500's for my business over the past 2 years), but the Chevy HD's just look so good. Their front ends, proportions, beds, every are just really top notch. I wish their 1500's were half as attractive.
I know Ford have been able to show the gear you are in for the last 10+ years. I have a 2013 F-150 FX4 with the larger center dash info center, and when I press the +/- on the shifter, that's when it shows the gear on the display. I can turn it on or off, and then if it's shown, and I press - on it, I can take gears away to lock them out so they won't go to it. Other trucks I have been in also do it, 2018 F-250, 2019 F-150 and F-250 all worked the same way. It will not shift to any gears or do anything except to display 1-6 or 1-10, pressing - will take away 6 or 10, then 5 or 9 etc. Pressing it quickly will make it turn off and go away. It will only work to manually change gears like a manual trans if it's in M mode.
On your Chevy if you are in D, and press the +/- on the shifter, will it show it then? Not talking about going to the L, but staying in D and hitting them.
I'm towing 15k lb toy hauler with a 2016 3500 Duramax. The ride is smooth and we don't have any problems even when loaded with another 1200lbs of machines. We have thought about switching to a Ram or a 350 but Chevy makes em sexy.
Did you have to put a lift on Chevy to fit 37’s?
For the same money or even a bit more my choice would be on the Super Duty F450. I’ve owned several f350 DRW trucks over the years. That wide track front axle is a game changer in the drivability of a dual rear wheel truck. Also, I’ll take the larger brakes of the F450 as well. I can go on and on, but those are the two main reasons why the F450 would be my choice. It is currently.
i love ford and chevy diesels i would take either truck, your truck is super nice
The Ford F450 is the king of all trucks. It's a beast and can tow a ton !
did you use spacer on you dually? if yes, can you please give me some details about.. thanks
Imo.. that’s the best looking Chevy Dually I’ve seen probably ever. Lol
for a fun truck mostly city, some interstae cruising and not much towing is a f-450 turbo diesel a bad idea over 350 same engine?
The F450 pickup uses the same axle (Dana M300 housing -usually 11.8" ring gear with 12.4" ring gear - Dana M315) as the diesel F450 and F550 chassis cabs. The rear axle weight rating is artificially low on the F450 pickup with the same axle being rated at 15,500 lbs in other applications.
That Chevy looks pretty darn good. That turning radius and HP though on the ford, takes it. I’m not a fan boy either I’ve owned both, in fact own an Srw 1 ton gmc but have a 450 on order. Towing an 18000lb fifth wheel
Looking between the 2 .. one thing iv noticed at used trucks is gmc/checy trucks interiors do not hold up as good as superdutys .
Both really cool trucks - seems to be a matter of needs. For me I prefer the Chevy and GMC..
Compare F-350 to your truck it would be more apples to apples.
So basically you can run this Ford450 as non CDL and DOT won’t book you for being over weight?
Coming from an engineering background if you have to tell more than 22,000 pounds then I highly recommend the F450 because the turning apparatus is amazing compared to the 3500 Ramen silver.
However if all you need to under 22,000 or less than a super duty or a F250 would do the job . If you’re doing something specific like towing horses or cows on a trailer then get the Delta
Ive towed 45000 pounds with my chevy dually 2011 ltz 6.6 liter deisal on a goose neck hitch
Maybe you should do a comparison video of the Ford F450 and the silverado 4500 to make it fair. The silverado 4500 and 5500 also have a wide track just like the Ford 450 and 550
Not gonna lie, the current F450 is a hard package to beat. Lol the new options on them they make damn good work trucks. But that new Silverado is far and away the sexiest on the road right now if you ask me. If ram and Chevy would step up and add a wide track front axle option. The F450 would have a run for its money
Being sexy is not a concern when working, unless your’re an adult entertainer, that’s why F450 😂
@@BigGyz680 oh no don’t get me wrong, Ide still probably pick the Ford if money wasn’t and issue for utility sake. But damn Ide have a hard time looking at her 😂
What trim is your chevy?
Not worried about power i'm going to put that tuner on my Chevy dully and black wheels!!!!
This is from my personal perspective from work. From purely a performance standpoint the f450 is a level ahead of other trucks. It pulls more than others and it's not even straining. Way better turning too. Now the pricing and luxury appeals can certainly go either way depending on your tastes. The chevy might win that.
What size are your rims?
If I had to choose one of the two truck, it’ll be the Ford f450, not bc it may be a better truck or tow more but bc I like the overall appearance of the ford over the Chevy, I also currently have a Chevy 1500
The Chevy can tow more since the ford and Chevy have similar GVWR but the f450 is heavier overall since it has the wider axle and beefier rear suspension.
The last gen Ford looked better. I think most now prefer the Chevy and GMC look over the new Ford that is pretty boring and non-aggressive looking
@@Mjwest23 I do discuss a bit last Ford was very blocky I just sold my 2020 tremor and opted for a f350 dually. Really to me seems totally different even in a dual wheel the ride is impressive the seats are totally reduced and way more comfy than the GM products
@@burnedagain6187 good choice, but I personally would go for the f450 bc of the wide fenders and the turning radius, I’m not gonna lie also bc the wide fenders make the truck look a lot meaner
F450 is for towing F350 is for hauling GCWR for gooseneck or 5th wheel: F450 48,000lbs F350 43,900lbs. Bumper tow: F450 30,000# vs F350 28,000# I drive a F450 for the tight turning radius and the fact I tow 80# and haul 20% - literally a no brainer.
I wish that Ford and chevy and Ram would do old hard body style trucks with flare sides or doing some classic throwback trucks like the HighBoy or even making a Ranger 250 HIgh Boy truck and have chevy do a Cheyenne 4x4 hard body truck and Ram do a hard body little red Express. I love the old school hard body trucks
Which one will make more sense for daily driving? Mpg , no towing at all
The F450 is extremely underrated. Look at the axle housing and axle shafts....look at the front axle and the turning radius etc. Ford did this to keep it in the Class 3 segment. Legally the F450 carries less than the F350
I love my 2022 Silverado. I've never been a Ford guy, I'd never take a Ford over a Chevy. Especially since Ford went full woke with their rainbow truck.... super gay.
Right
@@davidleeosbourne2727well they did have their rainbow flags up and center at the White House so
@@carlosmedrano3549 so the government is gay
Whuuttt? Rainbow truck ??? Homos drive trucks? Jkjk. But damn.
Chevy guys are always worried about being gay
my 2020 3500 ltz has 360 cameras and in bed cameras
Ford would win apple to apple. F450 cost more than an F350.Also around $2500 more for the upgraded diesel. Just throwing some gas on the fire. Plus I'm watching your videos so you can upgrade to a Ford F450. Like you ask in another video. lol Plus the F350 you can get 4:10 gearing.
If you want to see all the gauges that Chevy doesn’t show you and more just buy a cts3 I got one with the pulsar tuner for my 21 duramax. I can see what gear I am in and if it’s locked and so much more. I think the cts3 is like 300-400 bucks just plugs into your obs2
You can get a 7.3 gasser in the single cab 4tizzy
These are basically a 1 1/2 to 2 ton trucks made for hauling heavy loads almost like a 18 wheeler not for tall off road mudding truck, if I want a mudding truck I'd buy a high country or tremor
Nobody beats the General
Agree. You have to know the “key words” in the ads. “Made in America”. But which one north, central or south?? Cuz ford has plants in Mexico. So. Notice all the key words
I want a dually and a semi truck.
Not really sure what your “point” about the 450’s payload is. It’s de-rated for a specific reason. Your truck doesn’t have the same payload capability of the 450. Even more so with the heavier wheels and tires you put on there.
9:31 Actually GM is known for NOT listing the vehicle specific numbers on the payload/towing information stickers. That payload and towing capacity is not correct for that specific Chevy. You have to go to a GM app and enter you VIN and some other info to get your correct payload info based on your truck’s configuration and options. As a GM fan, I hate this fact. Both Ford and Ram have payload/towing information stickers that accurately reflect the specific truck, configuration and options that the sticker is placed on.
Also, the GM trucks run a single stage engine brake as opposed to the Ford’s 2 stage engine brake. This allows for better control in downhill descents.
I, myself have always loved GM trucks. Specifically Chevy’s (at least until the new styling on the heavy duty’s, GMC’s are still beautiful)
However, I have to admit that your assessment of the differences is more based on cosmetics and comfort than actual capabilities. The Ford is Over-Engineered and targets a different customer. It is geared towards someone who is going to WORK the truck. Also your biggest point of contention is Price, but you’re comparing an F-450 vs. a 3500. If you’re wanting a proper comparison, you need to compare an F-350 vs a 3500 or an F-450 vs. a 4500. And get the accurate payload and towing number for your truck.
JB those 19.5 and the Continentals are the biggest things I HATE about my F-450. The truck would be so much better with regular 20's. It's a real PITA to find a place that will service a 19.5 commercial tire and also the continentals in the front wear like crap.
Good point….. never considered that.
Same. Hated my stick 450 tires
Some of those options that you don't have with the Silverado are available, your specific truck just doesn't have the
Yes. My 24 LTZ midnight has the 360 camera system
For a company. Ford all the way. For Individual flexing you can get the Chevy.
Gotta get the Denali
Excellent review both companies make great trucks but i wish gm would get rid of their junk IFS I hated my IFS so bad that I did an solid axle swap on my 08' sierra and my 22' Ltz and I love it and didn't look back👍🏿
That's the main reason I like the GM twins
I have the same Chevy but in the 2500. I love the IFS. It makes a major difference in ride quality…. I know.. everyone talks about the strength of the IFS compared to the solid axle. The truth is the IFS is fine and will have no strength issues. If your rock crawling and putting your front suspension under tremendous stress, then i could see the need for a solid axle. Let be honest, most of us are never rock crawling! I know I’m never doing it, so I’m fine with the IFS.
@@Rcol4427 I have a 1000+ pound snowplow for my 08' 3500 HD with a duramax engine and that IFS didn't like all that weight on the front end at all. One year I was snowplowing and I busted the aluminum front differential case, talk about mad🤦🏿♂️
If anyone thinks that's the 46+ moving points of the GM front IFS is just as strong or stronger than the 11 loints on a SFA. Just the pivot points and ball joints(3 per control arm x4) out number the entire SFA design. I'm waiting for someone to say that the rear IFS is stronger that the old live axle on the tahoe/sub/yukon/escalade. As a professional driver, I drive real vehicles everyday. We have busses with IFS systems rated at 16,500lbs(MCI J 4500). They drive nice, but they are far louder than the Prevost competition(live axle) and the Prevost drives better. These are $750k highway coaches but at 90k miles in every one of the J4500s we have got clunky and it drives you nuts listinging to the front suspension pound away for 13 bours a day. The only j4500 that didn't pound away in our fleet. Started doing it mid trip back in May when I was returning from NYC to Ontario Canada. I personally prefer the ride of my F350 over the fide of my wife's F150. On the same roads the super duty is better, only place it is not "better" in the larger potholes.
@@jnk26 I never said it was stronger. I said it is strong enough to hold up for all driving condition aside from major off-roading or rock climbing which most never do with their 100K trucks. If you comparing large buses and highway coaches, your in the wrong forum!
The Chevy looks 10x better than the Ford and I'm talking before all the enhancements. Ford is a beast for sure but it's NOT a good looking truck.
It’s not Apples to apples his is an ltz vs xl base model
@@carlosmedrano3549 I agree. No doubt if it was a Lariat it would look a bit better. His Chevy would only look 5x better at that point.
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@DavidBrown 💀
You need to get your eyes checked both of these are ugly but the chevy is FUGLY
Im surprised the chevy dont have 360 Camara view the gmc trucks have it if i remember correctly
If you are lifting it and putting bigger tires, i will stay away from the chevy or GMC...that rack and pinion steering, though modern setup, has no way to out any great stablizer and will continue suffering terrible bump steer and from sloppy steering - esepcially if you go 38s...also any negative 44 offset needs a crazy 9inch lift due to the wierd boxy render design on GMCs and Chevys.
A 2022 Platinum F450 just rocks.
Video would of been better comparing a 350 to the 3500
Would of???
Your Chevy is bad ass.
Great job 👏
Wow on the comparison.... I'll still take the Chevy
I’ll choose the ford all day you can keep that Chevy.
I am not a truck guy by a long stretch but from the look of the trucks, Ford seems to be ready for work and the Chevy looks like ready go party/clubbing or something. Just my two cents!
JB your comparing is not even close in truck usage intentions the money is in the front axle the tires and the capacity ability
Because the 450s have pitaful payload and ride horrible. The GM 3500 has more payload, higher rear axle rating and rides and drives so much better. FYI the payload sticker is a big deal. If you’re ever in a wreck towing lawyers will definitely use that rating to see if it was over with what you’re towing and with payloads scales ford will track if you have ever been over weight
Clueless comment lol
The f350 has more than the gm 3500 😂 kid you don’t even know why the 450 is lower I’m betting 🤭the 350 and 450 tow more than the 3500 as well.
@@hughwattmate8467 man I’m telling you 😂
Retard comment of the day right here.
The Chevy Silverado is literally a inch taller, plus it doesn't look silly
Ford F450 for towing and 8' bed turning all day long. You also left out braking, motor option with HO motor giving 1200ftlbs of torque. Also the independent front suspension is costly to lift and eats tires under heavy service or high mileage conditions. There's a reason why you hardly see any Chevrolets being used by your regular automobile "Towing" company's. Too many moving parts in that front end. The F450 is for towing.
Ford is building their diesel engines in house now. Gm is still putting isuzu diesels in theirs. Ford has always had better interior quality. I'd take the f450.
Love both but would buy ford over Chevy.
You realy want to know load them and see .
Wow Ford is still using that tiny screen from the 2008 escort on the dash as your main information screen... sad
Bow tie!
The Ford is the better truck hand's down so give me that and keep that Chevy thingy lol
the 450 has a better turning radius
Chevy is king
A 3500 GM isnt comparable to an F450. You meed to compare the 6.6 gas to the 6.8 gas. The 7.3 is more torque and Hp that the 6.6 gas. There isnt a comparison for the 3.73 axle and the 7.3 gas DRW.
Not like a F-450 is a 1 and a half ton so I can tow more then a 3500, this is not a fair comparison. The poor Chevy has a weaker chassis for towing.
Looking under the ford. You can see the Chevy has better fit and finnish. The Ford has wires exposed, little insulation underneath. The chevy has better interior.
To me it just looks like the GM is a much better.. leather more leaf springs. And better looking
Correction, the ford is more truck, the Chevy is fancier with more leather !