This is why I love Rob so much. He's not just a great shooter, he is a FANTASTIC teacher that truly understands the fine art of shooting. He teaches me something new every time I watch. On the other hand...the journalist. Wow, he needs to take some more lessons from Rob. When he was yanking that trigger and it wasn't firing, holy cow, you could see he is either an inexperienced shooter, or just a bad one.
I like Leatham's approach where he drills down to what a stance, grip, method, or whatever is meant to solve. All these techniques are meant to solve a problem in shooting and they focus on some principle. Leatham teaches us about that principle and takes it from there. I would like to add this, though: When you introduce a thing like body-armour into the problem, then stance does matter. You want to strongest part of the armour to front the enemy. So that limits the amount of options available. Again, in Leatham's style: The principle is to 'offer the plate' to the enemy. Take it from there!
I was able to double tap my friends .45 just from watching 2 of Rob's instructional videos on gun control. Your getting free lessons from a grandmaster pistol marksman here. Pay attention it can only make you a better shot. This and the aiming is useless video alone will make anyone a better shot. He just explains it better than most people.
Rob is fantastic. I had hit a plateau on speed and stance. Once he debunked these myths, my shooting ability has improved immediately . Programmed stances are foolish; trigger squeezing is foolish. Abolishing these (2) conventional theories are great for teaching novices, but not shooters that have thrown thousands of rounds down range. Now I can hit head shots while moving. Rob has guts and is great!
Great message here. People get too obsessed with ''positions''. It is the WORST with golf instruction. But that's another topic.. In the end its simple really.. what is your task? Your task will dictate what you need to do. If your task is to shoot at a specific target and be as accurate as possible, then the only thing you should concern yourself with is keeping control of the recoil of the gun! It doesn't matter if you're prone, in a staggered stance, in a square stance, standing on one leg, standing sideways and shooting with one hand, or even in a crouch or half kneel... a responsible gun owner should learn to shoot from DIFFERENT positions, because when it comes down to actually having to use it in a life threatening situation, the environment around you and the defensive situation you may be in will DICTATE what position you must shoot from!! That being said, I hope no one here has to ever use their weapon in self defense. Stay safe.
Thank you, it's not the stance you chose, but how well it works for you, all are different. I choose the weave modified (Chapman) stance, for the reason to minimize my chest to the threat as I have no chest protector the largest target on me. Balance is the key in any stance on chooses.
In Japanese martial arts, the concept of proper posture or shizentai, is crucial. Whether cutting with a katana, striking with a jo, hitting with a hanbo, or punching -- proper posture improves performance. This is an excellent video.
True, but in all martial arts, one is not just using isometric strength and resistance to force. One is typically trying to move their own body around, as well as someone else's, and is rapidly and powerfully extending and retracting limbs, which requires more force than counteracting recoil, but also each limb extension changes the center of gravity and balance, whereas shooting does not. So yes in Japanese martial arts (and others) stance is crucial, but one can't extrapolate from that that stance is crucial in shooting as well. Thanks.
@@davidhoffman6980 respectfully disagree. Posture does not mean erect and head held high, it means proper ‘stand’ when running, falling, leaping - it just means proper bodily control to render the strike/cut/punch/shot most effective.
@SurfingOnMars Thanks for the polite response. I didn't define stance as erect posture with head held high, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it, although I was mistaken to say "stance". You said "posture" not "stance" and that was my mistake.
@@davidhoffman6980 good lord, sir, an honest mistake, and a minor one, but to concede the small error rather than becoming indignant? We’re both violating the Interwebs Code of Horrible Behavior!
Thank you Rob. You are a great instructor as well as a champion shot. I appreciate and use your wise instruction. May God bless you, your talent and your life.
Great video. Very nice job of keeping your temper when he shoved you. That along with his smirk would have really pissed me off. I've been looking for some good advice to improve my speed and accuracy and your series of videos is Just what the doctor ordered. Thanks Rob!
I just finished watching a video of Jerry Michalek who is a world champion as well as Rob Latham Jerry swears by the isosceles when he first started shooting he was using the Weaver and he explained why it was wrong stating that it’s not natural rob took it to a whole Nother level The leaning forward concept makes a lot of sense but there’s no way that you can find a balance without having another person helping you how can I learn this by myself any constructed answers is well appreciated.
Great lesson, maybe they need to change the name of isosceles stance to isosceles “hold”, the concept of balance to counteract the force of recoil makes more sense with a slight forward body pressure to counteract the recoil
I've watched a video earlier where someone absolutely advised against the Weaver stance, and he argued that it would make you swerve up on rapid shot succession. I thought that was pretty nonsensical, as there are people who can shoot very rapidly in Weaver stance, and are right on target the whole time. Good to hear it from a professonal that stance doesn't matter that much. It's what I was expecting.
Most people don’t have enough money for ammunition or time to spend to figure this out. We’re not employees of a manufacturer given unlimited resources to refine techniques. So basic stances work out for us. It’s economy of effort
There was a missing question - What is the purpose of the shooting? I would argue a competition shooters stance SHOULD be different than someone in a combat zone, or LEO taking fire. Do you want to take one perfect shot or multiple quickly...every application is different.
Reality, there are so many factors that come into play. Did i make first contact, am i being ambushed, am i standing, sitting, laying down... Do i have cover/concealment, am i wearing armour, what ground am i standing on, am i constipated... so many factors If someone ever tells you one way is the only way, they don't live in the same reality as everyone else.
high grip with a stock grip safety. Very common with the high grip like you should use. It is why modern and aftermarket grip safeties have the bump on the bottom
Isn't that great. Once a master the obvious comes out - "doesn't matter you have to have balance". So great Rob. Thanks. (all strength comes from hips - energy comes from center - mind controls happiness which allows these. to shoot well you have to be happy; love the shot. your happiness will take care of the principles you need: center, hips. and don't forget George Patton - do the obvious) Great video.
As an instructor myself, I've learned a lot from rob about teaching technique. Incidentally, who was the interviewer? Kind of a knucklehead. Odd how a gun review guy doesn't even know how to shoot. If rob had to tell him to engage the GRIP SAFETY then he doesn't even have a clue on grip. That passively disengages with any proper grip. Maybe he was just nervous around a master, but he probably shouldn't be a firearms reporter either. It'd be like me reporting on football. Ya, I've seen it played. But I admit I have no business acting like an industry professional or reporter or commentator. And when he shoved rob?? I hope rob cleared that first. Pretty bold and presumptuous if not.
When someone is caught off guard learning a new technique, it's common for someone to forget their fundamentals. You notice at the end, Rob mentions the writer has "hand issues". The problem with the 1911 grip safety is too many people concentrate on pushing upward to the bore axis instead of getting as high as possible but then pushing inward.
SuperOpinion8ed I was surprised that jack ass didn’t show enough respect at first like maybe he’s buddy buddy with Rob, but I doubt it. I don’t like that guy I think he has a ego problem, looks like it to me anyway 😏
The One and Only golf is all about fundamentals, if you don’t have a proper grip, alignment, and stance good luck! There is definitely different ways and rhythms of a golf swing. But at its core good golfers make the same move to the ball at impact.
Stance is not important if you are just shooting down a range. It gets important when you are in a combat or hostile situation where you need to see your surroundings in a much better way.
Good enough FOR HIM! Possibly NOT for you or I. In my CCP qualification I was using a "modified Weaver". The instructor/range master stepped over to suggest a change, until he saw that ALL my hits were w/in 8 inches n center body mass. He backed off, thinking "looks like it works (for me). Rock on!"
A Viet Nam Vet told me he was trained to shoot one handed, standing sideways to the target. The purpose being, it makes your body half as wide and a smaller target in relation to the person shooting at you.
i could see that, did basic training for the CAF (Canadian armed forces) and they said that they would face they're torso at the target and lean forward, the hope is that if you did get shot, it would be in ur flak jacket. But its not like they wore those in Vietnam. I guess it all changes with the times.
The old bullseye shooters are taught that. One handed fifty yard targets. We have an ancient target shooter who still competes in IDPA. His times are awful since he's over eighty years old but he continually beats everyone on accuracy.
This guy again. The reason we teach standardized stances and grips, is to isolate elements, for TRAINING. Teaching someone to just do 'whatever works for you' is a great way to keep them coming back for $500+ 'advanced' sessions, but your training program is best validated by your clients' ability to self improve and propagate your program, without you. Our clients know just about everything there is to know about shooting, after two days; the rest is self-improvement through regular training. We teach people how to train, not how to get an end of session result.
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This is why I love Rob so much. He's not just a great shooter, he is a FANTASTIC teacher that truly understands the fine art of shooting. He teaches me something new every time I watch. On the other hand...the journalist. Wow, he needs to take some more lessons from Rob. When he was yanking that trigger and it wasn't firing, holy cow, you could see he is either an inexperienced shooter, or just a bad one.
Nothing better than speaking to a man that knows the business and thrives in teaching others, perfectly & correctly. . RL is that man.
I like Leatham's approach where he drills down to what a stance, grip, method, or whatever is meant to solve.
All these techniques are meant to solve a problem in shooting and they focus on some principle.
Leatham teaches us about that principle and takes it from there.
I would like to add this, though:
When you introduce a thing like body-armour into the problem, then stance does matter. You want to strongest part of the armour to front the enemy. So that limits the amount of options available.
Again, in Leatham's style: The principle is to 'offer the plate' to the enemy. Take it from there!
When I listen to him it's not as if he's just repeating what he heard but it's a champion shooter repeating what he's learned
I'm hooked on this guy...excellent advice, great teacher....well thought out.
one of the best instructor. thanks sir
I was able to double tap my friends .45 just from watching 2 of Rob's instructional videos on gun control. Your getting free lessons from a grandmaster pistol marksman here. Pay attention it can only make you a better shot. This and the aiming is useless video alone will make anyone a better shot. He just explains it better than most people.
Rob is fantastic. I had hit a plateau on speed and stance. Once he debunked these myths, my shooting ability has improved immediately . Programmed stances are foolish; trigger squeezing is foolish. Abolishing these (2) conventional theories are great for teaching novices, but not shooters that have thrown thousands of rounds down range. Now I can hit head shots while moving. Rob has guts and is great!
Great message here. People get too obsessed with ''positions''. It is the WORST with golf instruction. But that's another topic.. In the end its simple really.. what is your task? Your task will dictate what you need to do. If your task is to shoot at a specific target and be as accurate as possible, then the only thing you should concern yourself with is keeping control of the recoil of the gun! It doesn't matter if you're prone, in a staggered stance, in a square stance, standing on one leg, standing sideways and shooting with one hand, or even in a crouch or half kneel... a responsible gun owner should learn to shoot from DIFFERENT positions, because when it comes down to actually having to use it in a life threatening situation, the environment around you and the defensive situation you may be in will DICTATE what position you must shoot from!! That being said, I hope no one here has to ever use their weapon in self defense. Stay safe.
I would love to spend time with Rob! I've learned so much by listening and watching him.
Very interesting. Nice way to determine your balance when shooting. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you, it's not the stance you chose, but how well it works for you, all are different. I choose the weave modified (Chapman) stance, for the reason to minimize my chest to the threat as I have no chest protector the largest target on me. Balance is the key in any stance on chooses.
In Japanese martial arts, the concept of proper posture or shizentai, is crucial. Whether cutting with a katana, striking with a jo, hitting with a hanbo, or punching -- proper posture improves performance. This is an excellent video.
True, but in all martial arts, one is not just using isometric strength and resistance to force. One is typically trying to move their own body around, as well as someone else's, and is rapidly and powerfully extending and retracting limbs, which requires more force than counteracting recoil, but also each limb extension changes the center of gravity and balance, whereas shooting does not. So yes in Japanese martial arts (and others) stance is crucial, but one can't extrapolate from that that stance is crucial in shooting as well. Thanks.
@@davidhoffman6980 respectfully disagree. Posture does not mean erect and head held high, it means proper ‘stand’ when running, falling, leaping - it just means proper bodily control to render the strike/cut/punch/shot most effective.
@SurfingOnMars Thanks for the polite response. I didn't define stance as erect posture with head held high, so I'm not sure why you mentioned it, although I was mistaken to say "stance". You said "posture" not "stance" and that was my mistake.
@@davidhoffman6980 good lord, sir, an honest mistake, and a minor one, but to concede the small error rather than becoming indignant? We’re both violating the Interwebs Code of Horrible Behavior!
he almost got shot when he pushed the ninja
Actually said Wow watching this. Learned so much about recoil. I can't wait to practice moving forward at the range now!
Every time I see this guy, I think of Bubba Ray Dudley LoL Listen up or he might call on Devon to "GET THE TABLE!!"
Thank you.
Action/Reaction, don't over think it.
Came here because hickok45 told me to. Glad I did. Thanks for the tips I'll be using all of them at the range this time.
Eggggscelent advice.
This tutorial will allow me to assist others with similar problems.
Thank you Rob. You are a great instructor as well as a champion shot. I appreciate and use your wise instruction. May God bless you, your talent and your life.
Great video. Very nice job of keeping your temper when he shoved you. That along with his smirk would have really pissed me off. I've been looking for some good advice to improve my speed and accuracy and your series of videos is Just what the doctor ordered. Thanks Rob!
all sorted out before had or take retake .. cut retake
Yes he never should have touched him..not cool at all IMO
So, people mess we this guy too much… one guy grabbed his mag from his wast, an other pushed him…? Best teacher I have seen
This whole series is like shooting knowledge gold.
Rob is a great teacher.
That guy is a flinching, nervous menace and he’s meant to be an authority figure? He couldn’t handle a dose of the shits.
I just finished watching a video of Jerry Michalek who is a world champion as well as Rob Latham Jerry swears by the isosceles when he first started shooting he was using the Weaver and he explained why it was wrong stating that it’s not natural rob took it to a whole Nother level The leaning forward concept makes a lot of sense but there’s no way that you can find a balance without having another person helping you how can I learn this by myself any constructed answers is well appreciated.
Great lesson, maybe they need to change the name of isosceles stance to isosceles “hold”, the concept of balance to counteract the force of recoil makes more sense with a slight forward body pressure to counteract the recoil
Body mass and strength matters too.
Man, where was Latham in 1985 when I was first learning to shoot? I recently discovered him and I love how he thinks.
I've watched a video earlier where someone absolutely advised against the Weaver stance, and he argued that it would make you swerve up on rapid shot succession. I thought that was pretty nonsensical, as there are people who can shoot very rapidly in Weaver stance, and are right on target the whole time. Good to hear it from a professonal that stance doesn't matter that much. It's what I was expecting.
This is handy. Ive found myself drifting back in multiple shot strings
The physics of it all! Now we have to fix your grip! LOL
I noticed this when rapid firing a 12 gauge. It helps because it will actually push you over instead of needing a parter to watch what you’re doing.
Most people don’t have enough money for ammunition or time to spend to figure this out. We’re not employees of a manufacturer given unlimited resources to refine techniques. So basic stances work out for us. It’s economy of effort
Great advice from Master Rob
How do you achieve a "balance point" and the ability to control the gun while shooting multiple rounds? One piece of the puzzle is a good stance...
There was a missing question - What is the purpose of the shooting? I would argue a competition shooters stance SHOULD be different than someone in a combat zone, or LEO taking fire. Do you want to take one perfect shot or multiple quickly...every application is different.
Bryan W Competition and combat shooting requires multiple targets and shots. The real difference is in combat someone’s shooting back.
Reality, there are so many factors that come into play. Did i make first contact, am i being ambushed, am i standing, sitting, laying down... Do i have cover/concealment, am i wearing armour, what ground am i standing on, am i constipated... so many factors
If someone ever tells you one way is the only way, they don't live in the same reality as everyone else.
How in hell do you manage to hold a 1911 and not engaging the grip safety? How? I need to learn to do that!
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high grip with a stock grip safety. Very common with the high grip like you should use. It is why modern and aftermarket grip safeties have the bump on the bottom
LMAO
Simple...
Not holding the gun TIGHT.
The bump is to let you limp wrist and still shoot.
HOLD THE GUN TIGHT.
I know it's Rob but I don't know if I can truly believe what he says because he doesn't have a tactical beard and a bunch of tattoos!
LOL!
Thank you!
Great video!
Great review.
I want to do some training under Mr Leatham.
damn, Rob is a phucking awesome instructor
My granddaddy always told me "Don't push Rob Leatham."
We used to practice shooting while rolling across the ground ..... What stance is that?
rolling stance
I use a boxing stance to find a good balance and it works for me...
Danny Di - I believe that's what is referred to as a "modified" which is how I shoot. It's like a cross between isosceles & weaver.
In a fight you'll be in the "Trance Stance". It's easier to catch yourself from falling forward than falling backward.
If you survive.
This is not a game.
did i understand correctly that i should get used to my own recoil instead of trying to prescribe?
Isn't that great. Once a master the obvious comes out - "doesn't matter you have to have balance". So great Rob. Thanks. (all strength comes from hips - energy comes from center - mind controls happiness which allows these. to shoot well you have to be happy; love the shot. your happiness will take care of the principles you need: center, hips. and don't forget George Patton - do the obvious) Great video.
24 seconds...Rob: "Alright" (code for...this dude is between me and my lunch break...hurry up)
As an instructor myself, I've learned a lot from rob about teaching technique. Incidentally, who was the interviewer? Kind of a knucklehead. Odd how a gun review guy doesn't even know how to shoot. If rob had to tell him to engage the GRIP SAFETY then he doesn't even have a clue on grip. That passively disengages with any proper grip. Maybe he was just nervous around a master, but he probably shouldn't be a firearms reporter either. It'd be like me reporting on football. Ya, I've seen it played. But I admit I have no business acting like an industry professional or reporter or commentator. And when he shoved rob?? I hope rob cleared that first. Pretty bold and presumptuous if not.
When someone is caught off guard learning a new technique, it's common for someone to forget their fundamentals. You notice at the end, Rob mentions the writer has "hand issues". The problem with the 1911 grip safety is too many people concentrate on pushing upward to the bore axis instead of getting as high as possible but then pushing inward.
Orrrrr, he was acting as a noob to get the point across.
My friend is a USPSA GM and his grip is so high it sometimes doesn't disengage the grip safety
SuperOpinion8ed I was surprised that jack ass didn’t show enough respect at first like maybe he’s buddy buddy with Rob, but I doubt it. I don’t like that guy I think he has a ego problem, looks like it to me anyway 😏
Fucking douche. Probably took him, Rob, every ounce of his maturity to not, atleast, push his ass back😡.
It's the same as golf. Everybody has there way that works for them. Keep trying different techniques until you find that one that works for you.
The One and Only golf is all about fundamentals, if you don’t have a proper grip, alignment, and stance good luck! There is definitely different ways and rhythms of a golf swing. But at its core good golfers make the same move to the ball at impact.
It is amazing what happens when a good instructor BOILS ALL THE CRAP away and you just have the reality left.
That guy was so trigger happy
It's obvious this guy knows what he is talking about
I’m a ninja in my Truck. 😂
guy is Gun genius
Stance is not important if you are just shooting down a range. It gets important when you are in a combat or hostile situation where you need to see your surroundings in a much better way.
World champion shooter Jerry Miculek uses the ISOSCELES stance and swears by it for stability and accuracy. That should be good enough.
Good enough FOR HIM! Possibly NOT for you or I.
In my CCP qualification I was using a "modified Weaver". The instructor/range master stepped over to suggest a change, until he saw that ALL my hits were w/in 8 inches n center body mass. He backed off, thinking "looks like it works (for me). Rock on!"
thx i will use that
Good Info
let's name it the Leathan lean?
that's when you squared off to the target , off hand leg forward and body sort of sideways will correct that .
U instinctively shoot like u train...
A Viet Nam Vet told me he was trained to shoot one handed, standing sideways to the target. The purpose being, it makes your body half as wide and a smaller target in relation to the person shooting at you.
i could see that, did basic training for the CAF (Canadian armed forces) and they said that they would face they're torso at the target and lean forward, the hope is that if you did get shot, it would be in ur flak jacket. But its not like they wore those in Vietnam. I guess it all changes with the times.
The old bullseye shooters are taught that. One handed fifty yard targets. We have an ancient target shooter who still competes in IDPA. His times are awful since he's over eighty years old but he continually beats everyone on accuracy.
In my opinion, it's too easy to shoot well with a 1911. I'd like to see this training done with like a Glock or an M&P.
Not Weaver stance-Jedburgh stance. Weaver did not invent that stance and neither did Cooper. It came from spec ops training circa WWII.
Jedburgh pistol shooting utilized an isoscoles stance, not a Weaver style.
This guy again.
The reason we teach standardized stances and grips, is to isolate elements, for TRAINING. Teaching someone to just do 'whatever works for you' is a great way to keep them coming back for $500+ 'advanced' sessions, but your training program is best validated by your clients' ability to self improve and propagate your program, without you. Our clients know just about everything there is to know about shooting, after two days; the rest is self-improvement through regular training. We teach people how to train, not how to get an end of session result.
>We teach people how to train, not how to get an end of session result.
That's actually a great statement.
Grip Safety leave that shit along and get a Glock are any handgun that doesn't have that ridiculous safety on it.