I enjoyed the movie, but I ask that we please cut the director, Ryan Coogler, a break. He had to do 4 things that would be hard for any director. In fact, 2 of those things were just straight up impossible. 1. Introduce Ironheart in a satisfying way (really difficult), 2. Make a dope sequel to Black Panther (really difficult), 3. Introduce Namor, his homeland, and his whole backstory in a satisfying way (impossible), 4. Pay tribute to T'Challa/Chadwick in a satisfying way (impossible). He did all of that while still mourning the extremely sudden loss of his friend.
Angel, Shuri is a scientist. She's not emotional, she's very logical. She's gonna be a quiet rage. The rage you wanted is for someone who is pure emotional. Acting choice or not. That's will never make sense for Shuri. She didn't even agree with her mum during the burning ritual at the waters edge.
that quiet rage popped up when she snatched that mutant's wING OFF HIS DAMN KANKLE whew that scene had the theatre shook lol we made the same face namor made
I showed up with no expectations and gave grace considering they had to pivot due to Chadwick's death. For me it was about grief and Black women taking control. Many times we are left the pick up the pieces and keep it moving despite our grief.
I totally agree with you because I’m living in the aftermath of recently losing my first born child . You’re live this unbelievable grief whilst trying to hold everything together for the sake of your family. Grief suck but what a beautiful film loved it. 🙅🏽♀️♾️🖤
Shuri couldn't make the herb without Namor's mother's bracelet. She had been trying and failed. Shuri grieved and let out her rage in her own way. We can't expect everyone to grieve and react how he would or how we would like them too. That was a big reason she saw Killmonger instead of her mother
Well can you explain it cuz im lost as well. We never got a reason to save Riri, she was just a fellow black woman, why bring a boat to a fish fight that they clearly were about to lose before the fight was bout to lose, how did Lupita find and penetrate the fish city in 2.5 secs when they been hidden forever, white guys storyline was trash, yall killed the Queen over a stranger and from drowning(lame), cgi animals were cringe…and everything else she said. This was a beautiful memorial for Chadwick but as a movie it was not amazing.
Wakanda isn't Sparta... They are not a nation of warriors. They are a normal nation of people, some of whom are warriors.They are heavily protected and they were not worried about anyone on EARTH being able to get to them and the Queen felt safe in the Castle (the most heavily guarded place in Wakanda). Namor wasn't acting out of Rage, he was in control and he knew it. Angel wanted this to be a Tyler Perry movie. Shuri acting in rage wouldn't have helped her in that very logical moment.
Shuri's rage manifested in seeing Killmonger. Also, a calculated person isn't going to magically become something else after much grief. People usually become MORE like themselves in times of grief.
Initially, Namor just wanted Riri. He wasn't looking for war with Wakanda. Even taking Shuri to his kingdom was about making them an Ally. He told Ramonda if she sent anyone down there he would kill her. Specifically her- and she did it anyway. Plus Nakia killed one of his citizens. Like Shuri said, that was an act of war. That's why he came so hard when they invaded Wakanda.
Yea but he messed up when he demanded that they get that scientists to kill and then they discovered that the scientists was a young black woman. If you want to be an Ali to Wakanda the last thing that you want to do is make demands and threats. He caused the conflict
@paulcoulonjr I didn't say he did not cause the conflict. I said why he considered the queen's actions a declaration of war- and he was right. She knew it as well.
@Nisha Grant so she knew when he came back to Wakanda that he was going to kill her, like I said- and she didn't call off the mission, she went ahead with it, like I said. Nakia still killed one of his citizens, like I said- and this was seen as a declaration of war- like I said.
To add that's why Shuri was adamant on trying to save the citizen before she went back to the surface world. That conversation with Namor pretty much drew a line in the sand, and that incident brought forth the inevitable
She didn't believe in herself, Angel. She had already failed to save her brother with her science... she didn't think she could do it. She didn't get the rage until she saw Killmonger. THAT'S why she NEEDED to see him in the vision.
Ehhh... Shuri doesn't lack for confidence. She's intelligent, neglects her mother's objections to go into the field and rescue the scientist. That's not insecurity. She mentions the rage when she's on the beach with her mother. Shuri says something about if she thinks about her brother too long, she wants to set the world on fire. We just don't really see that side of Shuri throughout the film until she meets Kilmonger. That was my gripe: if Shuri has been so angry this whole time, we should've seen it made more prevalent throughout the film than just after seeing Kilmonger.
@@liyahmeridy7997 it actually flashed back to her conversation with killmonger showing her response revealing a part of the conversation that wasn't shown initially. I think this was purposeful that she wasn't trying to walk around like the angry black person the entire movie while having the rage inside of her the entire time. I personally can identify with that
I think she saw Killmonger because he was/is the reflection of how she was actually feeling and a reflection of the conflicting feelings. She was ANGRY! I think Black women are always walking the tightrope and questioning our feelings or hiding them for societal troupe reasons. Each Black Panther sees who they need for their journey as BP when they enter the Ancestral Plane. T'Challa was angry and confused by his father's choices, so he saw his predecessor. Technically Killmonger was BP too, her mother never was. Her grief is why she hoped she would see her mother one last time, but her new role required she see Killmonger. Also Killmonger is a subtle reminder of how we got here...The child who is not embraced by the village, will burn it down to feel its warmth.
@@liyahmeridy7997 I think it's easy to have emotions u can control vs ones u can't. Shuri kept getting pushed. Her brothers death started it and her mother's brought it fully out. Also having an insecurity doesn't mean u can't do anything. But u can be insecure about a specific thing or ability. Or feel u weren't good enough in a specific moment.
You can't really get mad at the way someone mourns death. Especially when someone dies during the time when your morning a death previous. Most people would go numb at that point after losing family members back to back like that. Plus shuri is Young. I wouldn't expect for her to just go crazy with the emotions. That's just not how she deals with it. They even explain that the way she deals with it is just throwing herself into work and inventing things in science. M'baku talk to her about that.
I think Angel just wants everyone to react how she would, she doesn’t KNOW the character of Shuri and how she actually is as a whole character. Then to pin it on “the women have to act this way while the men get to act this way” was just a non-sensical point. She’s a whole princess who rarely fights in the field, but with her mind and technology. She’s not the violent and rageful type, especially the way that she’s been grieving her brother was by staying in her technology and her lab. I think the character of Shuri as a whole flew over Angel’s head.
Every now and then, Angel pisses me off with her way of thinking. Like legit everyone would see something gray and she can say well, in my opinion it's green. This argument about T'challa really annoyed 😠 me
I’m bothered that people feel that we need to rate this movie in the first place. Cult movies often have bad ratings but have a big following and impact on the audience . I feel this episode was a downer. I was anticipating coming together and talking about the movie with everyone and instead it became a debate about the movie. Black Panther will never be just a movie. It will never be just a plot. It should never be just reduced to a rating. Even though it is apart of the Marvel Universe, it will always have a greater significance to African people around the world. The emotional impact of the Black Panther Character and Chadwick Bozeman will always be an important part the Black Panther legacy. It wasn’t just Kev who felt this emotional connection. Lots of people cried in movie. Some things have such an emotional impact that ratings aren’t important.
At the end of the day, this is a movie and opened to criticism. No movie is above that. She had some valid points. I didn't agree with all of them, but valid none the less.
-Shuri couldnt make the herb without the bracelette, which is also why she starts her vision underwater. The plant was an under water plant. The original heart herb woukd have had her waking up in a field. -Queen Ramonda sacraficed her life for someone of the lost tribe as opposed to what King Tachaka would have done as mentioned by cousin bundles (kilmonger), -Namor killed Ramonda for two reasons: to keep his promise and to free up the thrown for Shuri.
Angel got me screaming at my damn phone! Shuri was DONE with the Herb and the Black panther UNTIL her mom died. She literally told her mom she wanted to burn the world after her brother died an Namor overheard it. He was nice to Shuri so she would be on his side. Shuri was never a character of "rage". That's why she was surprised to talk to Michael B Jordan's character in the astral plain... ALSO give credit where it is DUE...this movie had to be completely REWRITTEN after Chadwick literally told no one he wasn't gonna be in it...Of course they'll be some shortcomings trying to get everybody's feet together! And of COURSE the tribute to Chadwick was for the FANS!!! THE WHOLE MOVIE AND COMICS AND ALL MOVIES AND MEDIA IS FOR FANS!!!!!!! What??!!! I can't....putting my phone down before I throw....
I hope Angel is this hard on all films cause girl really?!? Let’s celebrate black Panther 2!! It was not an easy task for Ryan coogler to accomplish and I think him and the cast did a great job!! Let’s support so we can get more superhero films for us ✊🏾 made! Thanks Kevin for holding it down! And cried laughing when you told Angel to stand ten toes down in her wrongness! 😂
I have dealt with anger management all my life. When my mom died, the rage immediately left me for a long time. And then when it came back…ppl thought I was good even though I was simmering inside. I felt Shuri’s character completely. And Angel, please don’t ever tell anyone to “set aside the grief they are feeling for someone they (just) loss”, especially to just review a movie. That was very insensitive.
It makes sense that Namor gave them a time when he would return. After all. He didn't really want to destroy Wakanda. He wanted them to be allies. I see Kev covered this
The movie was amazing and I’ve never agreed with you more Kev! People need to Stop disrespecting this movie, this film maker, the grieving of Chadwick by tryna pick it apart bc it’s unnecessary. The end after the credits was everything to put the bow on top! It was perfect! Period.
Shuri’s rage was an intellectually led rage. She honed in on what she knew would get her results, and that wouldn’t be uncontrollable rage… it’s a quiet storm.
Weirdly coincidental.. but I lost my dad the same day that Kev lost his brother and I can definitely say Black Panther 2 played on my heartstrings like a violin! Love the overall message of dealing with grief and either getting bitter or doing better in spite of lost loved ones. Ryan Coogler did that!
What Angel is missing is that Shuri said at the beginning that she gets focused on her work to distract her from thinking about her brother. It's at that moment when she's thinking about her brother long enough, she wants to burn the world to the ground. The whole time she was focused on her work but at that moment when she was in the spirit realm, she got confronted with her emotions of being calm or moving with rage. Also she did not see her brother in that spirit realm as well. I think this particular note angel is talking about is not valid.
Angel’s take was absolutely insensitive and trash. She’s spoke about the memories of Chadwick being included in the movie as if it was supposed to just be a cut and dry film and Ryan Coogler and the rest of the cast has addressed how responsible Chadwick was for the accuracy of the on screen African-ness of T’Challa and Wakanda itself. They literally loved this man, so to expect anything less of a tribute to him was trash. These actors are more than just actors, they are people who lost a friend. Angel was also loud and wrong about Shuri not being angry enough. Shuri could not necessarily afford to explode her anger due to the fact that she is by all accounts, the new queen and Black Panther. Her emotions overtook, but only in the right moments. Shuri had to be pushed to be BP the same way her brother had to take the mantle after their dad was murdered as well. There’s a creative parallel. And them not giving credit to Riri Williams’s place in the movie sucks too because I wonder if Angel would’ve felt that way if Tony Stark was there instead. Then Angel trashed the Wakandan boat thing and that pissed me off because the Talokan army rolled up on their turf and tore stuff so the Wakandan army had the same energy. Angel was pulling for critiques where it wasn’t necessary. It’s giving “It didn’t go the way I felt it should’ve went, so I hate it” vibes. But this isn’t surprising coming from someone who didn’t think Chadwick deserved the Best Actor Oscar for Ma Rainey after not watching the whole movie. Ma’am stop.
@@ThatChocolateVegan I never said she had to like it. I just feel like her criticisms are unfair and based in her own perception of the movie instead of what has been presented throughout the Wakandan story arch.
@@stephaniehardy7718 she wants the movie to be want she wanted it to be , not something that moves the whole story forward, like most people who don’t keep up with the movies and just watch on a whim. Don’t stress yourself being upset.
Namor wanted to kill the scientist, that’s the conflict that sparked the violence. After he gave Shuri the tour, the main conflict was Namor wanting to kill the scientist. Shuri specifically states that on behalf of Wakanda, she won’t let that happen. Then Nakia comes in, saved both of them but killed one of the maids. That was considered an act of war.
I have to give credit to Namor though because every time he spoke, he stood by what he said. He was honest with what he was gonna do. I remember him even telling Ramonda that Shuri was down there by her own will. Shuri said keep me and let Riri go. They had a common enemy and Riri unknowingly played a part in that, which started the initial disagreement. I think if Ramonda and Shuri had a chance to talk, maybe they could've created a better plan, instead of declaring war when you weren't ready. If Shuri didn't have the strength of the BP, Wakanda would've fallen, or been weak for some time. Talokan had too many soldiers out there. I also saw moments where Shuri tried to diffuse the situation but Ramonda moved a little too quickly and didn't think that Namor was serious about his threats. I still didn't wanna see her go out like that tho smh. Def worth a second watch.
Angel, you also have to take into account that Shuri believes in science and logic not tradition/spirituality. So she wasn’t allowing herself to properly grieve and to move on. Also, what would you want them do T’Challa if they didn’t do the funeral scene?
Wakanda Forever Spoiler Comment: shuri didn’t need a training sequence. The movie let you know she has BEEN trained. Namor’s first introduction Shuri and Queen Mother got into doro position and move accordingly. This was a short intro showing both mother and daughter are trained. If my memory is correct there should be a short scene in the first movie explaining why shuri preferred the blasters and wanted to give them to t’challa, but he just wanted to use hands
Remember, in the comic Shuri becomes "The Black Panther" and Namor was the enemy so they kept it true to the story. I agree with Kev's order of Marvel movies. And "The Woman King" was a great movie! Viola Davis and Angela Bassett do no wrong, period!
Angels dislikes about the movie make zero sense at all. They explained why she couldn’t figure out the new herb. Not every one expresses anger the same way which is why in the spirit world she saw Kilmonger. It was shock to the whole village because they thought Wakanda was untouchable
After crying my eyes out from this movie, I couldn’t help but think about what Kev must be feeling with the parallels. Hearing him talk about it made me cry again today 😭
I loved this Black Panther movie. I think this movie was done in an abundance of love and the cast new and old was amazing. In my honest and humble opinion, I think this movie speaks more to people that are dealing with grieving/mourning the loss of a loved one. I think this movie just sets up the potential for another BP movie to come through. Lastly, I think us as Black folk, we have very high expectations and like to compare things to each. It’s ok to have two things be equally great but for different reasons.
The whole movie was Shuri having a hard time grieving her brother. It wouldn’t make any sense for her to complete her arc in the middle of the movie. Also she did weep over her mother. Her behavior in the lab however was consistent with someone who is scientific and methodical. She always struggled with the conflict between tradition and science. Also Shuri was not sentimental about tradition and would often have reactions that was not similar to other people expectations I haven’t experienced a recent death and I loved the movie. You don’t have to be processing grief to be moved by Black Panther.
Kev, the mourning, memorial and emotional feelings about Chadwick were threaded throughout the film simply because the writers (Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole) wanted the film's theme to be about "grief".
I think one thing about Namor that makes his choices different is his age. That’s why he came to speak to Ramonda before the attack, and why he gave shuri clothes. He respects that she’s royalty even though she’s his prison
I felt this movie wasn’t just for the culture it was for ours and native’s well. I would have loved more commentary on the Yucatan story line, especially from Josh seeing as though most people who were either Mayan Native, Native Mexican, or just Hispanic as a whole were extremely impressed with finally being reflected and represented on the big screen. I felt this was more for the Culture as a whole and I loved it. I loved every bit of it and I think they did an amazing job given the circumstances.
Also, I thought we did get to see Shuri’s emotional grief when she was crying and wailing right when Okoye was holding her back from going to her mom while her mom was getting CPR with the okoye beads
@@NeeneeH Angel is usually "I'm rooting for anybody Black" to the point she went against all logic in supporting that pink sauce lady; But when it comes to a movie filled with Black/African people she doesn't have the same energy
Just a working theory but maybe the Queen didn’t have protection because she fired her general. Okoye was always the leader and told them where their posts should be.
I got happy too when he talked about ranking the phase 4 movies. I’ll need to rewatch them to give an accurate rating but so far: 1. Black Panther: WF 2. Shang Chi 3. Spider Man NWH 4. Black Widow 5. Dr. Strange
What was Shuri gonna do as a normal ass human. You can’t expect to have instant rage and do what, go get killed by a God and a bunch of Demi Gods. We saw how the elite of the elite soldiers got handled by the vast numbers and strength of Namor’s ppl.
SPOILERS: To be fair we have to look at this as Shuri's journey. It's not just her origin story, but one of grief and moving forward. I loved it. I see what Angel means about the flower, but most likely if Shuri felt she failed her brother by not recreating the heart shaped herb she wouldn't have continued trying to recreate it after he passed. It would have been a reminder of what she considered the biggest failure of her life. It would have taken something big (like her mother's loss) to push her to attempt it again.
My thoughts: I think we expect people to act the same way we would in Shuri’s situation and that’s not realistic. Also we don’t know what we would do. Grief comes in stages. We went through the STAGES of grief with Shuri. The stages are Denial Anger Bargaining Depression Acceptance Not always in that order
I think it’s cool that they allowed for the women to take control of this movie without downplaying the men. . It really showed that when you give people of color a chance to shine they knock it out the park. Namor was not backing down
I enjoy the Marvel movies, but I'm not a huge fan. But Wakanda Forever was my favorite! It was more a drama than an action movie, and that's what I loved about it. In many ways it was a love letter to black women and our relationships with ourselves and others. That's the part that was so moving. The time flew by, it didn't feel like almost 3 hours to me.
Also Angel Shuri character isn’t like the males you’re referring too. She don’t be in the field so her experiencing frustration and rage in a lab vs Tony Stark finding out Bucky popped his parents and then immediately seeing that man while he’s wearing his suit are 2 different things. But nonetheless I definitely see your point for sure!
Yeah like imagine someone you know saying "hey I killed your mom, my bad that was me"... While you have a gun in your hand.... What do you think is gonna happen next lol
Angel the flower had to be solved there because she didn’t have the bracelet before. What you’re saying would’ve been impossible. I get the idea that it would’ve been nice for it to not follow the queens death but it couldn’t have been done prior to that early on in the movie because she Has to be kidnapped to be introduced to their plant
I completely disagree with Angel saying that the Marvel women don't get to act out of rage. Like we didn't just get a whole WandaVision series and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness of Scarlet Witch raging against EVERYTHING because she lost 1 person. Shuri's quiet rage felt like a nice change to all of the wildin that Scarlet Witch was doing. I like seeing their portrayals of how grief looks different on different people
I figured Angel was gone find something to complain about. I mean... it is Angel. Love her down tho. I also wanted to tell the lady in the comments to hush cause "side character?!?" I don't even read the comics and even I knew Shuri wasn't just a side character.
i thought shuri was trying to fight the rage the whole time. cos she said if she thinks too hard she wants to burn the world, but then she was all disgusted that kilmonger is the one who greeted her(Im NoThInG lIkE yOu), and she didn't want to tell anyone which ancestor she saw. sometimes feeling the feelings of a loss that big makes it even more real. now if namor gave me that bracelet and took me on a tour of talokan we simply would've been discussing a royal marriage
36:03 Thank you, Kevin, for giving the bald headed women of the world our props! It takes a STRONG woman to walk this bald head road, let me tell ya 😊😉
Yeeees Unruly Cousins, Wakanda Forever was such a well done tribute to Chadwick and I hope it continues!!! ✊🏾✊🏾❤️❤️❤️ I cried big tears at the Beginning and the End, will see it again!!!!💜
Good morning. My husband surprised me by taking me to watch the movie on the opening day and I loved it. I have made plans to take my kids back to see the film.💜🖤💜🖤
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but Angel seemed to miss a lot. First of all, everyone grieves differently. Also, her confusion is confusing to me. It was by no means a perfect movie, but I loved it. I was annoyed by the Riri character, also felt like Val was forced into the movie. The death was hard and M’Baku could have had a larger role. Overall, they had a tall task and delivered.
12:57 thank you lmao! I have friends that are in theatre and I don’t like talking to them about movies sometimes especially superhero ones because they do the same thing lol over analyzing it and looking at it from an actors perspective 🤣
Killing THEE Queen was unnecessary 😢 they could’ve found a different catalyst to get Shuri to be Black Panther. But overall I enjoyed it! Ruth Carter snapped with the wardrobe!!
When T'Challa went in, he was looking for answers so he saw his father King T'Chaka and the previous kings who were the best people to answer his questions. When Killmonger/N'Jdaka went in, he was feeling like he had avenged his father, so he saw N'Jobu. When Shuri went in, she was all rage, so she saw N'Jadaka. You get what you are looking for.
I think Angel needs to rewatch the movie. Angela was the Queen that wouldn’t allow her daughter to act on her rage. Same way T’Challa maintained his calm and didn’t act in rage with Kilmonger…she didn’t have the freedom to even consider rage until Queen Ramonda was gone
I thought they “left” queen Ramonda by herself because 1) the shock and intensity of the attack on the capital city 2) Wakanda not being used to dealing with large scale attacks 3) the ability of people from Talokan to “siren song” those people in the suits who would have been protecting her but basically committed suicide
THANK YOOOOOOU for the spoiler heads up coz Idda been BIG mad if it'd been spoiled. Edit (I watch it): Listen... ya'll going to learn my beautiful warrior goddess queen's name right. It is Danai (like, deny). I adore that woman. 19:40 Consider that he introduced himself as saying "my ^enemies call me Namor" So, he's neither a hero or villain. He's protecting his people.
I agree with Kev - T’Challa and Sheri are more reserved people. Those white marcel people be shouting and doing the most a lot of times. Dr. Strange is kind of reserved in his demeanor id say too (if memory serves me correctly).
I enjoyed the movie, but I ask that we please cut the director, Ryan Coogler, a break. He had to do 4 things that would be hard for any director. In fact, 2 of those things were just straight up impossible. 1. Introduce Ironheart in a satisfying way (really difficult), 2. Make a dope sequel to Black Panther (really difficult), 3. Introduce Namor, his homeland, and his whole backstory in a satisfying way (impossible), 4. Pay tribute to T'Challa/Chadwick in a satisfying way (impossible). He did all of that while still mourning the extremely sudden loss of his friend.
Thank you!!
Facts. And Ryan is a creative genius
Amen 🙏
Angel, Shuri is a scientist. She's not emotional, she's very logical. She's gonna be a quiet rage. The rage you wanted is for someone who is pure emotional. Acting choice or not. That's will never make sense for Shuri. She didn't even agree with her mum during the burning ritual at the waters edge.
that quiet rage popped up when she snatched that mutant's wING OFF HIS DAMN KANKLE whew that scene had the theatre shook lol we made the same face namor made
@@urloudandwrong not his KANKLE 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jaderose7220 that scene took me out…actually it took a minute for it to register and I was like 😮 she done snatched that bih off!!!
I showed up with no expectations and gave grace considering they had to pivot due to Chadwick's death.
For me it was about grief and Black women taking control. Many times we are left the pick up the pieces and keep it moving despite our grief.
I didn’t think about that viewpoint! Insightful!! Thanks for sharing!
I totally agree with you because I’m living in the aftermath of recently losing my first born child . You’re live this unbelievable grief whilst trying to hold everything together for the sake of your family. Grief suck but what a beautiful film loved it. 🙅🏽♀️♾️🖤
Whew!!! I thought I had crode enough because lawd knows I crew but this!!!!
@@SueGuerrieri I'm sorry.
Shuri couldn't make the herb without Namor's mother's bracelet. She had been trying and failed. Shuri grieved and let out her rage in her own way. We can't expect everyone to grieve and react how he would or how we would like them too. That was a big reason she saw Killmonger instead of her mother
She was looking for the action. I don’t think she paid attention to that point. That part of the bracelet was literally the missing link.
Watching this made me feel like I saw a whole other movie. 😆 Everything Angel was confused about seemed crystal clear to me.
I literally just watched the movie today and I feel like the story line was perfect. I think she’s being too critical cause she’s an actress
She doing too much fr! She be confused on a lot of things but never does research before speaking
For real. I have no clue what Angel is talking about. I am usually #TeamAngel, but damn! What movie did she watch😂?
@@aatiti2011 same. I’m usually team Angel too but nope not this time. They did a great job with the movie.
Well can you explain it cuz im lost as well. We never got a reason to save Riri, she was just a fellow black woman, why bring a boat to a fish fight that they clearly were about to lose before the fight was bout to lose, how did Lupita find and penetrate the fish city in 2.5 secs when they been hidden forever, white guys storyline was trash, yall killed the Queen over a stranger and from drowning(lame), cgi animals were cringe…and everything else she said. This was a beautiful memorial for Chadwick but as a movie it was not amazing.
Wakanda isn't Sparta... They are not a nation of warriors. They are a normal nation of people, some of whom are warriors.They are heavily protected and they were not worried about anyone on EARTH being able to get to them and the Queen felt safe in the Castle (the most heavily guarded place in Wakanda). Namor wasn't acting out of Rage, he was in control and he knew it. Angel wanted this to be a Tyler Perry movie. Shuri acting in rage wouldn't have helped her in that very logical moment.
Shuri's rage manifested in seeing Killmonger. Also, a calculated person isn't going to magically become something else after much grief. People usually become MORE like themselves in times of grief.
@@MrClbrown33 Exactly. Kill monger acted as a trigger for her and that's what sent her over the edge initially.
I agree. Everyone doesn't emote and fall out when upset and angry. Shuri was full of rage- it was pouring off of her. That's why she saw Killmonger.
A Tyler Perry movie😂😂
Not a Tyler Perry movie 🤣😂🤣😂
Initially, Namor just wanted Riri. He wasn't looking for war with Wakanda. Even taking Shuri to his kingdom was about making them an Ally. He told Ramonda if she sent anyone down there he would kill her. Specifically her- and she did it anyway. Plus Nakia killed one of his citizens. Like Shuri said, that was an act of war. That's why he came so hard when they invaded Wakanda.
Yea but he messed up when he demanded that they get that scientists to kill and then they discovered that the scientists was a young black woman. If you want to be an Ali to Wakanda the last thing that you want to do is make demands and threats. He caused the conflict
@paulcoulonjr I didn't say he did not cause the conflict. I said why he considered the queen's actions a declaration of war- and he was right. She knew it as well.
But she had already sent Nakia before he warned her…
@Nisha Grant so she knew when he came back to Wakanda that he was going to kill her, like I said- and she didn't call off the mission, she went ahead with it, like I said. Nakia still killed one of his citizens, like I said- and this was seen as a declaration of war- like I said.
To add that's why Shuri was adamant on trying to save the citizen before she went back to the surface world.
That conversation with Namor pretty much drew a line in the sand, and that incident brought forth the inevitable
She didn't believe in herself, Angel. She had already failed to save her brother with her science... she didn't think she could do it. She didn't get the rage until she saw Killmonger. THAT'S why she NEEDED to see him in the vision.
Ehhh... Shuri doesn't lack for confidence. She's intelligent, neglects her mother's objections to go into the field and rescue the scientist. That's not insecurity.
She mentions the rage when she's on the beach with her mother. Shuri says something about if she thinks about her brother too long, she wants to set the world on fire. We just don't really see that side of Shuri throughout the film until she meets Kilmonger. That was my gripe: if Shuri has been so angry this whole time, we should've seen it made more prevalent throughout the film than just after seeing Kilmonger.
@@liyahmeridy7997 it actually flashed back to her conversation with killmonger showing her response revealing a part of the conversation that wasn't shown initially. I think this was purposeful that she wasn't trying to walk around like the angry black person the entire movie while having the rage inside of her the entire time. I personally can identify with that
@@humblenerd Exactly
I think she saw Killmonger because he was/is the reflection of how she was actually feeling and a reflection of the conflicting feelings. She was ANGRY! I think Black women are always walking the tightrope and questioning our feelings or hiding them for societal troupe reasons.
Each Black Panther sees who they need for their journey as BP when they enter the Ancestral Plane. T'Challa was angry and confused by his father's choices, so he saw his predecessor. Technically Killmonger was BP too, her mother never was. Her grief is why she hoped she would see her mother one last time, but her new role required she see Killmonger.
Also Killmonger is a subtle reminder of how we got here...The child who is not embraced by the village, will burn it down to feel its warmth.
@@liyahmeridy7997 I think it's easy to have emotions u can control vs ones u can't. Shuri kept getting pushed. Her brothers death started it and her mother's brought it fully out. Also having an insecurity doesn't mean u can't do anything. But u can be insecure about a specific thing or ability. Or feel u weren't good enough in a specific moment.
You can't really get mad at the way someone mourns death. Especially when someone dies during the time when your morning a death previous. Most people would go numb at that point after losing family members back to back like that. Plus shuri is Young. I wouldn't expect for her to just go crazy with the emotions. That's just not how she deals with it. They even explain that the way she deals with it is just throwing herself into work and inventing things in science. M'baku talk to her about that.
Especially when most of her life isn't her brute forcing her way in typical situations. It makes perfect sense for her to grieve that way.
I think Angel just wants everyone to react how she would, she doesn’t KNOW the character of Shuri and how she actually is as a whole character. Then to pin it on “the women have to act this way while the men get to act this way” was just a non-sensical point. She’s a whole princess who rarely fights in the field, but with her mind and technology. She’s not the violent and rageful type, especially the way that she’s been grieving her brother was by staying in her technology and her lab. I think the character of Shuri as a whole flew over Angel’s head.
I liked M'Baku's character being developed more. Shuri's character arc was great.
@@alberttate8198 absolutely amazing and M’Baku filling the seat of the older brother/advisor was amazing to his character arc.
@@KristenYolanda Didn’t Shuri fight in Infinity War and End Game?
Every now and then, Angel pisses me off with her way of thinking. Like legit everyone would see something gray and she can say well, in my opinion it's green. This argument about T'challa really annoyed 😠 me
I’m bothered that people feel that we need to rate this movie in the first place. Cult movies often have bad ratings but have a big following and impact on the audience . I feel this episode was a downer. I was anticipating coming together and talking about the movie with everyone and instead it became a debate about the movie. Black Panther will never be just a movie. It will never be just a plot. It should never be just reduced to a rating. Even though it is apart of the Marvel Universe, it will always have a greater significance to African people around the world. The emotional impact of the Black Panther Character and Chadwick Bozeman will always be an important part the Black Panther legacy. It wasn’t just Kev who felt this emotional connection. Lots of people cried in movie. Some things have such an emotional impact that ratings aren’t important.
Well said! And all facts!
Well said !
At the end of the day, this is a movie and opened to criticism. No movie is above that. She had some valid points. I didn't agree with all of them, but valid none the less.
I feel like Kev! Anybody that has a rating under 9 is wrong! “You were WRONG! All of you were WRONG!!” ~King T’Challa
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-Shuri couldnt make the herb without the bracelette, which is also why she starts her vision underwater. The plant was an under water plant. The original heart herb woukd have had her waking up in a field.
-Queen Ramonda sacraficed her life for someone of the lost tribe as opposed to what King Tachaka would have done as mentioned by cousin bundles (kilmonger),
-Namor killed Ramonda for two reasons: to keep his promise and to free up the thrown for Shuri.
Well said. But cousin bundles 😂
@@MsJasmineMartin 😂
Black Widow sucked, Thor was great
@@shardman07 who da fuck asked?
Angel got me screaming at my damn phone! Shuri was DONE with the Herb and the Black panther UNTIL her mom died. She literally told her mom she wanted to burn the world after her brother died an Namor overheard it. He was nice to Shuri so she would be on his side. Shuri was never a character of "rage". That's why she was surprised to talk to Michael B Jordan's character in the astral plain... ALSO give credit where it is DUE...this movie had to be completely REWRITTEN after Chadwick literally told no one he wasn't gonna be in it...Of course they'll be some shortcomings trying to get everybody's feet together! And of COURSE the tribute to Chadwick was for the FANS!!! THE WHOLE MOVIE AND COMICS AND ALL MOVIES AND MEDIA IS FOR FANS!!!!!!! What??!!! I can't....putting my phone down before I throw....
Went to see the movie again last night and I'm pissed all over again smh
I hope Angel is this hard on all films cause girl really?!? Let’s celebrate black Panther 2!! It was not an easy task for Ryan coogler to accomplish and I think him and the cast did a great job!! Let’s support so we can get more superhero films for us ✊🏾 made!
Thanks Kevin for holding it down!
And cried laughing when you told Angel to stand ten toes down in her wrongness! 😂
She loves Iron Man 2 and 3 😭
So annoying…
Really? Iron man 3 sucked.
Agreed!
She was p!ssed! Mama Angela didn't make it, Sis. I don't think she could take anymore after that. 😂
I have dealt with anger management all my life. When my mom died, the rage immediately left me for a long time. And then when it came back…ppl thought I was good even though I was simmering inside. I felt Shuri’s character completely.
And Angel, please don’t ever tell anyone to “set aside the grief they are feeling for someone they (just) loss”, especially to just review a movie. That was very insensitive.
It makes sense that Namor gave them a time when he would return. After all. He didn't really want to destroy Wakanda. He wanted them to be allies.
I see Kev covered this
The movie was amazing and I’ve never agreed with you more Kev! People need to Stop disrespecting this movie, this film maker, the grieving of Chadwick by tryna pick it apart bc it’s unnecessary. The end after the credits was everything to put the bow on top! It was perfect! Period.
Shuri’s rage was an intellectually led rage. She honed in on what she knew would get her results, and that wouldn’t be uncontrollable rage… it’s a quiet storm.
Well said!
And it worked!
Yes!
Weirdly coincidental.. but I lost my dad the same day that Kev lost his brother and I can definitely say Black Panther 2 played on my heartstrings like a violin! Love the overall message of dealing with grief and either getting bitter or doing better in spite of lost loved ones. Ryan Coogler did that!
may he rest in peace🖤.
I’m so sorry for your loss. Sending positive vibes 🙏🏾
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Sorry for your loss
What Angel is missing is that Shuri said at the beginning that she gets focused on her work to distract her from thinking about her brother. It's at that moment when she's thinking about her brother long enough, she wants to burn the world to the ground. The whole time she was focused on her work but at that moment when she was in the spirit realm, she got confronted with her emotions of being calm or moving with rage. Also she did not see her brother in that spirit realm as well. I think this particular note angel is talking about is not valid.
I'm with Kevin about Wakanda Forever. I was watching and weeping.
I liked the Memorial to Chadwick Bosman. I thought it was special and it fit with the movie theme.
At that point, Shuri was defeated Angel!
Her spirit was defeated. She was just sad and moping around doing what comforts her - work in her lab.
Ryan told a complete story. The story WE needed. I only want movie reviews from Angel of movies that I hated. Never again of a movie that I like.
Rightttttttttttttttt I think she could have kinda kept it to herself! It wasn’t needed! 😅
Right
Agreed
Angel missed a lot
Angel’s take was absolutely insensitive and trash. She’s spoke about the memories of Chadwick being included in the movie as if it was supposed to just be a cut and dry film and Ryan Coogler and the rest of the cast has addressed how responsible Chadwick was for the accuracy of the on screen African-ness of T’Challa and Wakanda itself. They literally loved this man, so to expect anything less of a tribute to him was trash. These actors are more than just actors, they are people who lost a friend. Angel was also loud and wrong about Shuri not being angry enough. Shuri could not necessarily afford to explode her anger due to the fact that she is by all accounts, the new queen and Black Panther. Her emotions overtook, but only in the right moments. Shuri had to be pushed to be BP the same way her brother had to take the mantle after their dad was murdered as well. There’s a creative parallel.
And them not giving credit to Riri Williams’s place in the movie sucks too because I wonder if Angel would’ve felt that way if Tony Stark was there instead.
Then Angel trashed the Wakandan boat thing and that pissed me off because the Talokan army rolled up on their turf and tore stuff so the Wakandan army had the same energy. Angel was pulling for critiques where it wasn’t necessary. It’s giving “It didn’t go the way I felt it should’ve went, so I hate it” vibes. But this isn’t surprising coming from someone who didn’t think Chadwick deserved the Best Actor Oscar for Ma Rainey after not watching the whole movie. Ma’am stop.
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So she has to like it? Make it make sense. I agree with everything Angel said. Its a movie! It wasnt real.
@@ThatChocolateVegan I never said she had to like it. I just feel like her criticisms are unfair and based in her own perception of the movie instead of what has been presented throughout the Wakandan story arch.
@@stephaniehardy7718 she wants the movie to be want she wanted it to be , not something that moves the whole story forward, like most people who don’t keep up with the movies and just watch on a whim. Don’t stress yourself being upset.
Namor wanted to kill the scientist, that’s the conflict that sparked the violence. After he gave Shuri the tour, the main conflict was Namor wanting to kill the scientist. Shuri specifically states that on behalf of Wakanda, she won’t let that happen. Then Nakia comes in, saved both of them but killed one of the maids. That was considered an act of war.
I have to give credit to Namor though because every time he spoke, he stood by what he said. He was honest with what he was gonna do. I remember him even telling Ramonda that Shuri was down there by her own will. Shuri said keep me and let Riri go. They had a common enemy and Riri unknowingly played a part in that, which started the initial disagreement. I think if Ramonda and Shuri had a chance to talk, maybe they could've created a better plan, instead of declaring war when you weren't ready. If Shuri didn't have the strength of the BP, Wakanda would've fallen, or been weak for some time. Talokan had too many soldiers out there. I also saw moments where Shuri tried to diffuse the situation but Ramonda moved a little too quickly and didn't think that Namor was serious about his threats. I still didn't wanna see her go out like that tho smh. Def worth a second watch.
Angel, you also have to take into account that Shuri believes in science and logic not tradition/spirituality. So she wasn’t allowing herself to properly grieve and to move on.
Also, what would you want them do T’Challa if they didn’t do the funeral scene?
Wakanda Forever Spoiler Comment: shuri didn’t need a training sequence. The movie let you know she has BEEN trained. Namor’s first introduction Shuri and Queen Mother got into doro position and move accordingly. This was a short intro showing both mother and daughter are trained. If my memory is correct there should be a short scene in the first movie explaining why shuri preferred the blasters and wanted to give them to t’challa, but he just wanted to use hands
I agree with kev on Shuri’s rage. The whole family is more reserved. I don’t think Shuri was any less mad she just aint scary lol
I'd say it's a different type of scary lol That quiet scary is something else 😅
@@AudioGAWD Lol She’s not intimidating (to me) I should say
Remember, in the comic Shuri becomes "The Black Panther" and Namor was the enemy so they kept it true to the story. I agree with Kev's order of Marvel movies. And "The Woman King" was a great movie! Viola Davis and Angela Bassett do no wrong, period!
Period!
@@renewilson2540 not really. Namor was the enemy but the enemy to ta-challa and shuri was black panther for a short run and only fought him once
@@Calebjones87 Shuri becomes Black Panther while T-Challa is still alive and in a coma.
And Shuri dies after becoming the Black Panther and T’Challa brings her back to life.
@@Viable7 we know the movies will take "liberties" to change the story. They give us most and change some.
Angels dislikes about the movie make zero sense at all. They explained why she couldn’t figure out the new herb. Not every one expresses anger the same way which is why in the spirit world she saw Kilmonger. It was shock to the whole village because they thought Wakanda was untouchable
After crying my eyes out from this movie, I couldn’t help but think about what Kev must be feeling with the parallels. Hearing him talk about it made me cry again today 😭
I cried when Kev talked about JoJo 😭 Like, this movie was A LOT for me-I can’t imagine what it was like for people who recently experienced grief.
I loved this Black Panther movie. I think this movie was done in an abundance of love and the cast new and old was amazing. In my honest and humble opinion, I think this movie speaks more to people that are dealing with grieving/mourning the loss of a loved one. I think this movie just sets up the potential for another BP movie to come through. Lastly, I think us as Black folk, we have very high expectations and like to compare things to each. It’s ok to have two things be equally great but for different reasons.
The whole movie was Shuri having a hard time grieving her brother. It wouldn’t make any sense for her to complete her arc in the middle of the movie. Also she did weep over her mother. Her behavior in the lab however was consistent with someone who is scientific and methodical. She always struggled with the conflict between tradition and science. Also Shuri was not sentimental about tradition and would often have reactions that was not similar to other people expectations
I haven’t experienced a recent death and I loved the movie. You don’t have to be processing grief to be moved by Black Panther.
Kev, the mourning, memorial and emotional feelings about Chadwick were threaded throughout the film simply because the writers (Ryan Coogler and Joe Robert Cole) wanted the film's theme to be about "grief".
I think one thing about Namor that makes his choices different is his age. That’s why he came to speak to Ramonda before the attack, and why he gave shuri clothes. He respects that she’s royalty even though she’s his prison
I felt this movie wasn’t just for the culture it was for ours and native’s well. I would have loved more commentary on the Yucatan story line, especially from Josh seeing as though most people who were either Mayan Native, Native Mexican, or just Hispanic as a whole were extremely impressed with finally being reflected and represented on the big screen. I felt this was more for the Culture as a whole and I loved it. I loved every bit of it and I think they did an amazing job given the circumstances.
Agreed!
Also, I thought we did get to see Shuri’s emotional grief when she was crying and wailing right when Okoye was holding her back from going to her mom while her mom was getting CPR with the okoye beads
Angel is impossible to please with Black Panther. This coming from the same woman that would risk food poisoning by unrefrigerated pink sauce 🙄
What do eating food gotta do with watching a movie? 🤔
@@NeeneeH a lot 😂
@@ChloeBaileysRightBootyCheek 😄
@@NeeneeH Angel is usually "I'm rooting for anybody Black" to the point she went against all logic in supporting that pink sauce lady; But when it comes to a movie filled with Black/African people she doesn't have the same energy
@@shhhtellnooneitsasecret and let’s not forget the pink sauce lady is REAL but had all the smoke for fictional characters 🙄
You guys have really helped me through some dark times over the last, few years. I hope your podcast sticks around. ❤️
Just a working theory but maybe the Queen didn’t have protection because she fired her general. Okoye was always the leader and told them where their posts should be.
I really would love a show once or twice a year just talking comic books movies and shows w/ Kev and the crew. Makes my geek heart happy
I got happy too when he talked about ranking the phase 4 movies. I’ll need to rewatch them to give an accurate rating but so far:
1. Black Panther: WF
2. Shang Chi
3. Spider Man NWH
4. Black Widow
5. Dr. Strange
Didn't Shuri volunteer to go with Namor to keep him from killing RiRi?
Yep
Exactly 😂 idk why they kept saying she was kidnapped. She went willingly.
Yep
@@ChloeBaileysRightBootyCheek me too, idk how that was missed
What was Shuri gonna do as a normal ass human. You can’t expect to have instant rage and do what, go get killed by a God and a bunch of Demi Gods. We saw how the elite of the elite soldiers got handled by the vast numbers and strength of Namor’s ppl.
SPOILERS:
To be fair we have to look at this as Shuri's journey. It's not just her origin story, but one of grief and moving forward. I loved it. I see what Angel means about the flower, but most likely if Shuri felt she failed her brother by not recreating the heart shaped herb she wouldn't have continued trying to recreate it after he passed. It would have been a reminder of what she considered the biggest failure of her life. It would have taken something big (like her mother's loss) to push her to attempt it again.
My thoughts: I think we expect people to act the same way we would in Shuri’s situation and that’s not realistic. Also we don’t know what we would do. Grief comes in stages. We went through the STAGES of grief with Shuri.
The stages are
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Not always in that order
Chadwick was an awesome actor.
The costumes were bomb!
I think it’s cool that they allowed for the women to take control of this movie without downplaying the men. . It really showed that when you give people of color a chance to shine they knock it out the park. Namor was not backing down
When Angela Basset died
That one hurt me to the core
I enjoy the Marvel movies, but I'm not a huge fan. But Wakanda Forever was my favorite! It was more a drama than an action movie, and that's what I loved about it. In many ways it was a love letter to black women and our relationships with ourselves and others. That's the part that was so moving. The time flew by, it didn't feel like almost 3 hours to me.
I think we all loved that man as if he was OUR brother too.
Thanks for the FF note! I definitely skipped ahead. Going to watch it this weekend!
The movie is perfect in all of its ways!! Angel, please 🤫
RIGHT!
Also Angel Shuri character isn’t like the males you’re referring too. She don’t be in the field so her experiencing frustration and rage in a lab vs Tony Stark finding out Bucky popped his parents and then immediately seeing that man while he’s wearing his suit are 2 different things. But nonetheless I definitely see your point for sure!
Yeah like imagine someone you know saying "hey I killed your mom, my bad that was me"... While you have a gun in your hand.... What do you think is gonna happen next lol
@@drodge72 bruh!!🤣🤣🤣 couldn’t have said it better! Lmfao you said that perfectly!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
Angel the flower had to be solved there because she didn’t have the bracelet before. What you’re saying would’ve been impossible. I get the idea that it would’ve been nice for it to not follow the queens death but it couldn’t have been done prior to that early on in the movie because she Has to be kidnapped to be introduced to their plant
The bracelet is made out of the original plant that's why they needed it
I completely disagree with Angel saying that the Marvel women don't get to act out of rage. Like we didn't just get a whole WandaVision series and Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness of Scarlet Witch raging against EVERYTHING because she lost 1 person. Shuri's quiet rage felt like a nice change to all of the wildin that Scarlet Witch was doing. I like seeing their portrayals of how grief looks different on different people
I just lost my brother too, and this movie hit different 😢 10/10 for Black Panther!!✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
I figured Angel was gone find something to complain about. I mean... it is Angel. Love her down tho. I also wanted to tell the lady in the comments to hush cause "side character?!?" I don't even read the comics and even I knew Shuri wasn't just a side character.
i thought shuri was trying to fight the rage the whole time. cos she said if she thinks too hard she wants to burn the world, but then she was all disgusted that kilmonger is the one who greeted her(Im NoThInG lIkE yOu), and she didn't want to tell anyone which ancestor she saw. sometimes feeling the feelings of a loss that big makes it even more real. now if namor gave me that bracelet and took me on a tour of talokan we simply would've been discussing a royal marriage
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Thank you, Kevin, for giving the bald headed women of the world our props!
It takes a STRONG woman to walk this bald head road, let me tell ya 😊😉
🤣 my ass off at Angel saying "Your mama dead" 💀
Yeeees Unruly Cousins, Wakanda Forever was such a well done tribute to Chadwick and I hope it continues!!! ✊🏾✊🏾❤️❤️❤️ I cried big tears at the Beginning and the End, will see it again!!!!💜
Thank you for shouting out Emergency Awesome, Charlie does great work!
Good morning. My husband surprised me by taking me to watch the movie on the opening day and I loved it. I have made plans to take my kids back to see the film.💜🖤💜🖤
Black Panther 2 hit home for me too. I literally watched my brother die in 2021 and then exactly a year later, my mother.
Praying for you
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, but Angel seemed to miss a lot. First of all, everyone grieves differently. Also, her confusion is confusing to me. It was by no means a perfect movie, but I loved it. I was annoyed by the Riri character, also felt like Val was forced into the movie. The death was hard and M’Baku could have had a larger role. Overall, they had a tall task and delivered.
I haven’t seen WF yet, so I appreciate the time stamp cuz I want to enjoy this sequel with my whole ❤. We’re going this weekend.
Y’all make Wednesdays worth it!
12:57 thank you lmao! I have friends that are in theatre and I don’t like talking to them about movies sometimes especially superhero ones because they do the same thing lol over analyzing it and looking at it from an actors perspective 🤣
I just watched the movie today and I loved every bit of it. I think the story and Shuri progressed perfectly
Chiiiiiiiiiiile when Kev gets excited, can’t nobody talk lol
Angel - it would have been a deviation from who Shuri has always been to act out grief in that way. This way was more believable of her character
Killing THEE Queen was unnecessary 😢 they could’ve found a different catalyst to get Shuri to be Black Panther. But overall I enjoyed it! Ruth Carter snapped with the wardrobe!!
This!!!!
“We’ve always seen Shuri so calculated.” She’s a damn scientist. Lmaoooo.
Best episode I've listened to in a while! I was trying not to laugh out loud at work! This and "let me mantle you!" 😩🤣🤣🤣🤣
Angel making the worst points. She projecting on to this movie those reason are nit picky at best
I’m so happy Kevin brought this up 33:46 cuz I literally felt the EXACT SAME WAY man ! Like OMG lmao
Bruh… I was the same way like ooooooooh shhhhhhiiii 😮. Dayuhmmmmmm 😳😍
Kev, I said the same thing, surely they're not going to kill Angela too, we JUST lost Chadwick!!
I was actually impressed t hat it didn't leak the whole theatre gasped
@@yoyo3318 so true!
When T'Challa went in, he was looking for answers so he saw his father King T'Chaka and the previous kings who were the best people to answer his questions. When Killmonger/N'Jdaka went in, he was feeling like he had avenged his father, so he saw N'Jobu. When Shuri went in, she was all rage, so she saw N'Jadaka. You get what you are looking for.
I think Angel needs to rewatch the movie. Angela was the Queen that wouldn’t allow her daughter to act on her rage. Same way T’Challa maintained his calm and didn’t act in rage with Kilmonger…she didn’t have the freedom to even consider rage until Queen Ramonda was gone
They say Kilmonger had bundles and the Best Man Holiday sweater on 😂
9:00- Angel!!!😂😂😂😂 Not fish fry!💀💀💀
Thank you for the spoiler alert😊
I thought they “left” queen Ramonda by herself because 1) the shock and intensity of the attack on the capital city 2) Wakanda not being used to dealing with large scale attacks 3) the ability of people from Talokan to “siren song” those people in the suits who would have been protecting her but basically committed suicide
Angel has never ever been as wrong as she was in every one of these takes 😭
Yessssss 😂. She couldn't get past losing Angela...
THANK YOOOOOOU for the spoiler heads up coz Idda been BIG mad if it'd been spoiled.
Edit (I watch it):
Listen... ya'll going to learn my beautiful warrior goddess queen's name right. It is Danai (like, deny). I adore that woman.
19:40 Consider that he introduced himself as saying "my ^enemies call me Namor" So, he's neither a hero or villain. He's protecting his people.
KEV SHUT UP!!! "...Angela Bassett in that etta James Cadillac Records wig!!" 🤣🤣🤣
YEEEEESSSS with that Talk space ad!!!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
The beard is bearding Kev ✊🏿
I am with Kev that movie is perfect, I am getting misty eyed as Kev is telling it. Angel is an an actress her eyes are different😂
I agree with Kev - T’Challa and Sheri are more reserved people. Those white marcel people be shouting and doing the most a lot of times. Dr. Strange is kind of reserved in his demeanor id say too (if memory serves me correctly).
You’re right. T’challa, Shuri and Strange are even keeled people.
Yep. This exactly
they need to watch it a 2nd time to absorb the full movie. the 1st time watching is too emotional
They did take too long to say Shuri is the black panther!
I hate that angel is making good points like noooo BP is perfect 😂😂
Thank you Angel!!! All of the thoughts exactly.