Not all of them. This is homeport. Some are in for repairs, replenishment, refits, etc. The sailors live in the area would still need time to get their bags, get on the ship, get ready for sea, cast the lines, and get out of the narrow port entrance.
@@CombatIneffective if this were true there would be plenty of warning prior to any attack due to intelligence and ships would be able to deploy without a problem. Ships in for yard work could not deploy due to maintenance needs. There are usually two and sometimes three carrier battle groups deployed at any one time in the Pacific and numerous ships and subs off the coast of San Diego preparing for deployment doing local operations. Also, more than half the crew live on the ship.
I have a story about a real life scramble while the US was being attacked. I used to live in the Burlington, VT area. Roughly in the area off the NW end of the Burlington International Airport runway. This airport is where the Green Mountain Boys of the Vermont Air National Guard squadron is based. They were flying F16s at the time (they have since switched out to F35s). The morning of 9/11 one of my roommates and I were glued to the TV as we watched the first World Trade Center building burn. We watched in horror as the second plane hit. It seemed like within a few minutes the F16s were screaming into the air. We were all used to hearing the jets take off, but this was obviously something COMPLETELY different. None of us had EVER heard them come out of the airport that loud and fast. That sound, and the purpose behind it, still gives me shivers. The planes headed directly south 260 miles to fly air cover over Manhattan. It didn't take them long to get there.
But if you listen to the recordings you find out that none of these scrambled jets found a single hijacked plane! …NEAD was very lame ! …They couldn’t get out of their own way…They were too busy passing info “up the chain” to verify reality from drill…it was a “who’s on first” situation…Meanwhile the hijackers were completing their mission…A very sad representation of Air Defense Command!
@@pilljr.3331 what the fuck are you on about you? the three successful attacks happened in the space of less than 50 minutes. credit to the saudis, that was well coordinated. not surprising they weren’t found when there were literally thousands of planes in the air in and around the eastern seaboard. fuck off dumbass
@pilljr.3331 but now we are in the sky 24/7. I been driving 7 years now. I have contracts with Navy a and Airforce now. I have yet to deliver and not see Jets taking off and landing. Non stop Let me say that one more time. Non Stop ..... I have GoPro footage of the F35's in Ket West Station with the Super Hornets flying around and taking off in groups of four. Well the Super Hornets are grouped in 4 the F35 go up in 2's. In Key West that is. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. All they do is play all day every day now. Some of the Super Hornets have blue missles on them. So they do nothing. But others don't, so I say. This will Never ever happen again. Hahahahahahahahaha I'm kidding, this is nothing new. We been doing this since Pearl Harbor. Wayyyyyy Worse losing War Ships then losing life and buildings comparing the two. So , now that I know 100% because I asked every single fly boy. At every single base I ever been to. Not to mention when I was younger in my 20's im now 43. I was in Mississippi in Gulfport. And those boys fly 24/7 also. Over and over and over all you see is the Fighter squadrons taking off and landing. So we have groups in the Gulf playing around and patrolling at same time. We have groups all up and down the east coast in the Atlantic. We have groups all up the west coast in the pacific. I know this with my own two eyes. Soooooooo, 9/11 happened on purpose. I'm not one of those conspiracy people. But this is my own opinion. With the amount of Fighter Jets we have in the air. Knowing now that CIA said we getting attacked. Days before it happend. Come on man, little Bush did one Big Bush wanted. That's what's truly Sad Brother. Because America is a Bad Ass since Pearl Harbor. More so since Vietnam, we choose to keep wars going for 20 years. Makes money and develops weapons all across the board. Our dollar is backed up by out military not gold any more. Sooooo, let's talk about what really going on. Because America not ready especially after the first building went down. Pffffffttttttt hahahahahaha Nahhhhhh
Don’t forget the UPS squadrons located thruout the Southern California airports, they could be used to air drop millions of Amazon packages to overwhelm and sink the carriers and it would be mostly free if they concentrated with only Prime Packages!👍😉😂
Cap, the US Marine Corps is receiving both F-35B and F-35C. The B was to replace the AV-8B Harrier, and some F/A-18’s. The F-35C will be replacing the rest of the F/A-18’s for use on super carriers to supplement the Navy squadron in the carrier air wing. B model will only be used by LHD and LHA vessels. Another thing that might need to get modeled is the Evolved Sea Sparrow and the rolling airframe missile. The later is replacing CIWS on surface vessels.
@KILLSWITCH6 Shiney paint may be Ceramic RAM. Released yesterday. Last few minutes is esp. relevant. Also, ceramic stealth absorbs 90% radar vs. 80% for current stealth coating. So UP CLOSE and in your face before a ceramic coated stealth fighter is seen on radar. ruclips.net/video/1bb4kq95Rg4/видео.html
The Cwis to Sea-ram upgrade is so elegant and cost efficient I'm surprised it wasn't overlooked for a whole new proprietary system requiring total refit.
The USMC will be using a combination of F-35B (for LHD/LHA operations) and F-35C (some marine squadrons are part of naval air wings). So you can opt Marines with F-35Cs.
In a war scenario, I'd expect the Aegis/SM equipped ships in-port to be at least partially crewed and able to slave their missile batteries to either destroyer outside the harbor via data link. In theory, that should provide a lot of extra SAM protection. TRs airwing would be shore-based at NAS Lemoore which is 255 nm away.
yhea i dont see how war ships would be completely uncrewed at shore. there would likely be a skeleton crew on board for maintenance and also to be able to scramble defences.
@@jameslove5457 Changer? As in the Chinese would get beaten MORE badly? Just going by the complete unknown of DCS modeling for accuracy they got their asses kicked. The actual reality is that the US has for decades been able to track not only every single surface warship anywhere in the world, but in the 1980s they could detect when Soviet ships were **preparing** to leave port. Not even moving yet. The Chinese are even easier to detect. If subs are brought into the mix this attack never happens. I think to make it sporting it's better to be kind to the Chinese and leave them out.
@@jameshisself9324 Yea the whole time I was watching this I was thinking that. I was thinking even if they got this attack off it would never ever make it back to China. The whole Pacific sub fleet would be sicked on it. Fun to watch though.
The very first GR video I watched was like this one. I served in the USMC and I was angered. I learned quickly that these are just randomly generated simulations that are amazingly entertaining despite not super realistic. DCS has limitations. I think GR does a wonderful job and their team are hilarious!
I agree..this story is purely propaganda...the chinese are dreaming...their military foolishness will bring and make them worse than their russky comrade.🤣🤣🤣
The fact that so many Americans like you are so easily angered by a game simulation or war simulation shows how unprepared and untested you guys are in the event of an actual invasion. Nearly every single country in this world has been invaded, and many of the people know that no one's invincible. They know there are weaknesses in their nations and strive to improve it. But it's always the Americans that get overly butthurt when their country "loses" in a simulation because they can't comprehend the idea that there is no such thing as an invincible nation. They stull have the American Exceptionalism idea in side their head that makes them think America somehow is just so special that they'll never lose a war.
I think that if the chinese started moving and splitting on the other side of the pacific, every major target on the west coast would have armed up and be on high alert.
I want to see the follow-up revenge strike of 2 squadrons of P-8 Poseidons, each carrying 11 AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER Harpoons on the Chinese carrier. With a squadron of F-35s to deal with the half dozen fighters they have left aboard. lol
There are several bases that were not mentioned in the scenario, you have Camp Pendleton that also has an air base (mostly helicopters), NAS El Centro that is only about 120 miles away, Yuma Marine Corps Air Station that is about 200 miles away, Also we have submarine base that would probably have subs out patrolling. And there is a training island off the coast of San Diego and I would assume there is some type of air defense there. And there is an auxiliary air base down in San Ysidro area that is part of the City of San Diego. Also we have killer dolphins that the navy trainings here as well.
Yeah the entire west cost and south west is like nothing but military bases. Any attack on the west cost is going up against the Marines, Navy and Air force air power. They are fucked. Not to mention the reverse engineered UFOs we got in area 51.... hahaha.
Love ALL of your videos!! These "what if" ones are definitely fun to watch and I am sure they are a big challenge to put together. I didn't read all of the comments so some of what I am about to say could already have been said - sorry in advance. The setup for this video sort of treats San Diego as if it is a lot more isolated as a military facility than it really is. I am not sure if they are too far away to be much help in this scenario, but you have both Edwards AFB (North of LA) and Vandenberg AFB (NW of LA on the coast). Also, there is a HUGE Navy T&E facility with Surface AND Air Search radars located up and down the coast of SoCal and also on at least some of the islands off the coast. The Sea Test Range itself is 36,000 square miles in size (that is the area in which the official testing typically takes place). You can get an idea what this looks like by googling NAWCWD Point Mugu Sea Range. Point Mugu is/was also a Naval Air Station. I am not sure what is still stationed there as in the early 2000's I believe much of the tenants of the base we relocated to China Lake (further North of LA) as part of the BRAC actions taken by the US Government and the DoD.
There are several more bases in range for the parameters of this scenario that are even closer than the LA bases: March Air Force Base and NAF El Centro.
There is one major factor not being included in on this; NAS North Island. That's where that cold dark carrier's aircraft would be based at. Even taking into account the base is primarily used for ASW planes and choppers, there are always some F/A-18s out there. So they'd be amongst the first to be scrambled and you'd likely have an additional dozen planes ready to go along with anything else that could be thrown together for Anti-Ship duty. And it definitely has additional SAMs and whatnot.
"His missile just fell off like big douche" lmao Now that should be on a T-shirt lol. Wow just wow this has to be one of the best battles yet! I appreciate yalls hard work in making these awesome videos!
If they're going after San Diego their going to be dealing with like 8 different enormous bases, Coronado, Miramar, Pendelton, Ventura, Edwards, March, Vandenberg and 29 Palms. Not to mention the small one and the various airpots that have armed jets. March Alone would probably blow a carrier group out of the water >_>
There is some other stuff in nevada US army. I'm sure that storage depot would be remanned and shipping Patriot missile batteries out... Also a direct attack on American soil, the response would be nothing short of hell on earth. Until our advisories no longer existed...
These videos are awesome, one of the best things on youtube. Love DCS, but feels like the underlying engine needs to be replaced with something designed for the 2020s level of capability available in a high end PC.
The last time I passed Miramar and my tractor trailer, British were training in the new 35s. A whole bunch of fifteens, and 18s were doing touch and goes.
I live in San Diego, for all the dcs lovers and for what its worth, I once saw a b2 spirit stealth bomber take off from Miramar. Photos really don't show how big that thing is. Flew by the skyscrapers really gave scale of the thing.
As other have noted, the F-35B is only used on Landing craft Vessels, which previously only used harriers and helicopters. Coincidentally idea for a future video, is to have a battle with the Japan self defense force, who for the first time will have "carriers" - helicopter carriers now equiped with he F-35B. Would be interested to see a small f35B contingent go up against a large north korea flight of migs guiding in missiles
Wouldn't an attack sub/destroyer group assigned to shadow the group sink that carrier as soon as it was designated as a hostile? I get that this scenario was limited to air assets, but I would have to think that some of the air units would be tied up trying to defend the carrier from this.
Staying in SD by the Miramar Base there is a sizable chance that if the attack occurred after 9am there would already be Miramar based fighters in the air who could respond, but I'm not sure if it would be F 18 or F35. They are always flying though.
I was all bowed up and flexed the entire last 15 minutes. Cap is like a football announcer at a championship game between Arsenal and Manchester U (is that even possible?) Some excellent flying, excellent tactics and I couldn't be more stoked.
I have a suggestion for an alternate history scenario that would be really interesting to see how it would play out. Back story: At 19:57, 27 October 1981 the soviet submarine S-363 (Swedish designation U137, which i will use during this text) ran aground at Torumskär in Gåsefjärden, close to the naval base in Karlskrona. They are trying to pull themselves off, but are unable to do so and reports this back to base at 21:00. At around 22:00 they are spotted by a Swedish fisherman, who reports his findings to the naval base in Karlskrona the morning after at 09:54. At 11:30 this is reported to the Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces. This of course leads to mobilization of Swedish forces. The coastal artillery are deployed to the area, manning both fixed and mobile artillery systems. They also deploy coastal rangers with access to different kinds of anti tank weapons that can be used, such as m/48 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles. At around 19:00, reports state that a Soviet naval force are on it's way to rescue the submarine. The Prime minister Thorbjörn Fälldin gives the order: Hold the border! When the vessels are roughly 700 meters from the border, the Swedish artillery switches it's radars from peacetime mode to the frequency hopping war mode. Within 30 seconds the soviet vessels reduces their speed, and at 21:00 they stop at the border. At 02:30, the soviets decide to cancel the rescue mission, which was planned for 03:00. The scenario: What would had happened if the Soviet forces had not decided to cancel their mission, but instead pushed trough? Swedish forces in the area: 4x 152mm Artillery based at Tjurkö island Coastal rangers with heavy weapons deployed at Östra Hästholmen island. Submarine Neptun Första flygeskadern aka ÖB:s Klubba (Three wings of AJ37 Viggen, 64-96 aircraft in total. Known as The Commanders Mallet. Probably carrying 2xRb04, with air defence provided by J35 Draken and/or JA37 Viggen) Icebreaker Thule, parked across the path to U137 Multiple smaller vessels Soviet forces: U137, stuck on a rock. Destroyer Obraztsovyj (Kashin class) 1x Destroyer Kildin class 2x Corvette Nanuchka class 1x Frigate Riga class Most likely at least one more submarine Several support vessels
There's a movie about this but it happens on the coast of New England. You're leaving out in your scenario that the Soviet Air Force was heavily based around the Baltic. Latvia, Estonia and St. Petersburg were at the time home to enough MiG-23s to dwarf the Swedish Air Force, a regiment of MiG-25s at Monchegorsk, and two regiments flying Su-24s for all-weather attack.
Just to clarify things for any of you I am talking with in the comments section. I am loving the discussions we are having. The research is something I like to do as a hobby of mine because I am passionate about it. Its why I made my channel in the first place. I love the commentary after these!
Maybe this has been addressed before... Can the F35 "Murder Configuration" not transform to a "Stealth" configuration after launching the external mounted missiles? Surely the boffins could find a way to detach/dump the missile mounts after use?
I'd imagine that the brackets that connect pylons to the wings would still be pretty non-stealthy, but it's doubtful that those would have a combined >1m RCS. Would likely result in the belly aspect being non-stealth, but anything coming in from above the nose (like a missile, terminally guiding) probably wouldn't notice any difference. Still, it's a pretty niche capability that probably doesn't warrant the cost, development hours or mechanical complexity IRL
I have wondered this too- the idea to me is that the racks would not be too stealthy, but probably not make that much of an impact. My only concern would be the mounts that attach the racks to the wing might not be outfitted with the correct stealth coating and maybe will have enough edges to emit a presence to an AWACS or a ship/land-based radar.
Hi Cap! This series has been EPIC! Have you considered somewhat of a "tutorial" video showing how to get all the mods (ie AIM120D, PL15, etc) set up so that the valuable viewers at home could do their own roll play? Thanks!
99.99% of the time aircraft flying out of Miramar depart west bound due to prevailing winds. I watch them every day. Also the US forces would have a much larger detection radius.
Wow Violet went full Queen beast mode there . Really enjoyed that one . I've been playing DCS for a month now only got F16 and Nevada map (plus free ones like A4 and Marianas) really enjoying it , I'm ex-Navy aircraft technician (British Junglie) so training is not as bad for me , using things like HSI and understanding terms is fine (well done to anyone who had no experience) . The only thing I have struggled with in Air-to-Air is the JF-17 . I swear the F-16 has real problems detecting and tracking it , the Flankers are even easier than I thought to take down . I managed to land the F16 on my second ever try . Been doing loads of cold start takeoff/landings and CAP missions against a variety of enemies (AI of course) being outnumbered no more than 3-1 . Once I manage to get a grip with Air-to-Ground and purchase Flaming Cliffs 3 I will go multiplayer , not feeling confident about going multiplayer right now as I'd be more of a hinderance to people . Anyone else in the early stages of DCS ? .
I was stationed in San Diego as well and you are right, it is way more dfended than this sim puts on. And yes some of the ships would be in cold iron and not operating or fighting but we always had a few ready to go and so many bases around San Diego that I am pretty sure no one would get through it to easily.
Can you guys do a alternate Falklands War scenario where the Royal Navy task force is built around 2x modernised Malta class Aircraft Carriers (the unbuilt equivalent of the Midways) with Buccaneers and Phantoms? Maybe do an operation in place of the Black Buck Raid or one involving searching out and killing the Northern Argentine task force based around the Colossus Class Carrier "Veinticinco De Mayo" and her 2x Type 42 escorts? I'd be really curious to see the latter scenario. Love the content, keep up the fantastic work!
One additional thing! By 1982 with 4x (or more 3x by that time) Malta's in service the RN would have likely replaced the Fairey Gannet AEW with either the proposed P139 AEW Aircraft concept or E2 Hawkeye's. I think the latter. Just something to bare in mind
@@vader1a Nope the Maltas were WW2 designs that were cancelled by Atlees government in 1945. They were open hanger carriers and about 10,000 heavier then preceding Audacious class Armoured Hanger Carriers of which HMS ArkRoyal R09 and HMS Eagle R05 were members of. Its been calculated that the Maltas would have needed less modernisation work to make them viable modern fleet carriers in the 60s & 70s, which could have seen them being retained in service until the late 80s or early 90s. Edit: Whoops sorry did you update the comment? In the notification I got you were asking if I was referring to CVA-01
@@NightHeronProduction I thought so I just wasn't completely sure. Personally I would I'd like to see due to cva-01 class with the cancelled type 82 destroyers. 😆
@@vader1a Okay with the Type 82's I'd be up for that, I do think however that too much needs to change in the timeline of things for CVA's 01 & 02 to become a reality, thats the reason I went for Maltas but heck either way, a alternate Falklands scenario with large catobar carriers would great to watch get war-gamed.
I was so happy when I saw this! Sad to see the Chinese naval series end. Please promise me that when new game changer mods come out we'll re-visit this sweetness. Cheers.
These videos are awesome, one thing to add… people have already brought up that we’d know the ship is there well before the attack which is true. Along with the active naval fleets active in the East PAC area, the Coast Guard WMSL’s(national security cutter) and other legacy and legend class cutters would be more than capable of finding and even possibly engaging depending on the circumstances. The CG is beyond active patrolling these areas between us and Japan and all the way down to the tip of South America Edit: I’m not saying the CG would sink the vessel, but is more than capable of damaging it past the point of still being mission capable
at 18:00, every major US Airport has at least two ANG F-16's ready to go at a moment's notice, with more on standby. I've watched those things take off on CAP patrols near every time I go to the airport. Post 9/11 USA is the most heavily defended airspace in the world. Aircraft might not get into the AO within 15 minutes, but within the hour you can count on a three dozen F-15/16's swarming the area. within three hours you'll have nearly a thousand fighters in the air looking for something to shoot across the country.
I would love to see a follow up video with the whole US Fleet in San Diego; Carriers, LHAs, Destroyers, Cruisers, LCS everything hunting down the Chinese Carrier and the Type 003 meets up with some more destroyers and frigates but it only has its remaining aircraft.
All legacy Hornets have now been retired from the Marine Corps. The US no longer operates any C or D model Hornets. They've either been replaced with Super Hornets or F-35s. I know for a fact that Squadron 323, which is listed in Wikipedia as still flying legacy Hornets, has actually officially retired their Hornets and is upgrading to the F-35C. They were the last Marine squadron still flying legacy Hornets.
wow, massive chinese break out, so lets just sit and twiddle our thumbs. Also the odds of any Chinese ships making it back, after most of them being tracked, minus the whatever you think makes it there, is a lot of submarines having a field day
I'm wondering how effective a swarm of drones would be against the ship's defense. 2-300 drones each carrying a 10lb shaped charge or a claymore type charge for crew in the open on carriers could crater the deck and stop air operations as well as take out the deck crews. Maybe Arma 3 can put this to the test.
Given that any Chinese carrier group would be shadowed by a US sub since leaving its home port, the Fujian would probably be immediately sunk just after launching is A2A wave and it heads out toward SD. The anti-shipping wave would never even get into the air.
if the chinese were smart they would put dozens of antiship missiles onto civilian cargo ships and fire them off at less than 50 miles range, containerised missiles are a thing these days.
I'd like to believe that if china sent every piece of hardware toward the west coast, they would not even make it half way across the pacific and every bit of it all would reside forever more at the bottom of the sea.
So totally not true ! The US would send in the modern equivalents to the Glomar Explorer and raise every sunken Chinese ship from the deep and display them at the entrance to San Diego harbour as a warning to others,
Just out of curiosity, wouldn’t the us naval forces be warming up from the moment that any Chinese naval incursion was spotted and so be warmed up by the time the Chinese arrived?
_"... from the moment that any Chinese naval incursion was spotted ..."_ The entire scenario was based on the premise that one small Chinese carrier TF was able to escape American surveillance and sneak up on the west coast. A 21st century Pearl Harbor, if you will. But at San Diego.
@@xenaguy01 As he explained, the Chinese scrambled their whole fleet and the Americans lost track of this one group. So the Americans would most certainly know if they lost one of the Chinese Carriers. So in fact, they would ready every singe destroyer to defend all important locations and try to track the group down.
@@thorH. I don 't disagree. But, . . . _THE SCENARIO FOR _*_THIS GAME_* is t hat the Americans were unprepared. Please bear in mind that: 1) This is a game. 2) No one can know what _WILL_ happen in any set of circumstance, only what one _THINKS_ will happen.
@@xenaguy01 yeah sure, but I am pretty certain, that US Comand will be very nervous when they loose a Chinese Carrier in the pacific. So hmm, maybe kind of unrealistic, but it is still a very interesting scenario nevertheless
There are a TON of Navy, USMC facilities here in SD. If you're ever here go to the Midway Carrier museum. It's awesome. A ton of good military museums, etc here in town. Every time I am down town I always imagine how China would attack us here lol.
Just a little note the carriers air wing are generally at an airbase close to the carriers base where they go when the carrier is in port so they would likely be close enough for some of their plans to assist within this scenario. Can’t speak for west coast but east coast in Norfolk the air wings switches to NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. So I would guess on west coast they air wing would be in the marine base.
When I was a kid in the 80s, I heard a psychic speak about a vision she had of the future. She said she saw men in black and ships invading the west coast of the U.S. The thing that stood out to me was that she said they were Asian looking. This was weird because at the time there were no Asian countries that were a threat to us. Now, I know what country’s forces she probably saw in her vision.
Why they gotta be Asian? Where did you find this psychic? Did she say they were wearing black or were black? Why does your comment sound like a 80’s action/thriller?
17:42: IIRC, Vandenberg does not have any LIVE ICBMs; its solely a rocket base. They have ICBMs with inert payload simulators, but no nukes. All they do are launch satelites and test fire inert ICBMs into the Kwajalein Atoll off the Marshall Islands; they don't have any weaponry other than small arms. 18:00: Does anyone know how many CA compliant ARs it would take to shoot down a Chinese jet? I'm sure there's a lot of Californians outside of LA and San Deigo that would be more than willing to give it a try. I mean, if you put enough 5.56 into the air, it eventually functions like flak. 27:21: PLA cyber capabilities are unmatched... 28:57: Isn't there some legend about a Chinese general killing condemned prisoners in front of the enemy army? The enemy thought the prisoners were inocent civilians, concluded that the soilders and thier leaders were psychopaths, and elected not to get involved. Maybe that was Violet's plan? 48:44: CVNs don't have thier airwings in port. The CAG is not part of the ship; its its own organizational entity. A CAG relocates to a NAS when the ship is in port.
@18:00 it's an interesting question, I'm going to have to do some math on what the maximum altitude a round could reach. I would imagine if you had enough guys firing off rounds and saturating the air, if any made it to the right altitude it would be as bad as a small bird strike on the intakes at the very least. Of course with all of those bullets raining back down I'd wonder if they would do more damage to people and property on the ground.
I think the residents of Coronado would lose their shit over the emissions from the missiles if the Arleigh Burkes let loose while in port. The base switchboard would be lit up like a Christmas tree.
The USMC absolutely does have, at MCAS Miramar, Super Hornets and Growlers. And ... since 911 they also have Patriot SAM systems, now Iron Dome as well. The Chinese fleet would be picked up and tracked with well more than enough time to get our surface and sub fleets up and out to sea to meet and destroy our enemies.
A couple of things I think should have been considered in this scenario. You did not take into consideration NASNI in Coronado. This is where the carriers are docked and their would anywhere from 1 to 3 there. Sometimes, if they are coming in and leaving again, the fighter wing would be left on the ship. NASNI is the Pacific Fleet HQ and always has quite a few planes. Probably not all ready for combat as the base is a repair facility. 32nd Street Naval Base always has a lot of ships (I think you took that into account though). this is NOT where the carriers dock as they can't get in there. If the Chinese sent so many ships into the Pacific, by the time they got close to San Diego, we would have the entire Pacific Fleet either trailing them or on standby in positions where they could not approach get in range of San Diego or Los Angeles. In addition, air wings along the cost as well as inland would be notified and wings scrambled to the bases in San Diego and LA. In addition, the air radar on the coast is not something to be forgotten, though I doubt anyone really knows its capabilities. Our satellite systems can't be forgotten about either. It would be interesting to see how the Chinese would fair in a scenario where the US detected their fleet deployment and moved forces in preparation for some attack along the coast. I imagine that would take some thought and counting of available US assets that could be deployed.
If you want it to be realistic : add escort ships for chinese carrier with cruise missiles and anti ship missiles + the strike would be coordinated (no j 15 going solo into the fight) and they would make an AWACS take off from the carrier as soon as possible plus you need to take into account the time necessary to put weapons and fuel and the US planes. (And there would most likely be 2 US carrier as generally 1/3 of the carriers that deployed. Also the j15 anti ship planes would be carrying pl 12 or 15 for long range self defense. Nato does the same, even in ground attack f18 generally have 2 aim120 and 2 aim9
@@splatoonistproductions5345 it wasn't meant to be a troll question. Was actually curious. One or two subs slipping by while a huge naval drill is going on sounds more plausible to me. They wouldn't get to play with the planes in that case tho...
I lived in San Diego for 5 years. It wasn't often that 2 carriers were in town at the same time. At least not for long. I know that the port can handle it. My father in law served with the Navy and said he remembers a time when 4 carriers were in port at the same time back years ago, but the usual here is 1.
Just had a thought while watching this one, dont know wether the americans do the same, but , when our carriers / ships go home to port, we generally land our air wings, so , perhaps the air wings from the carriers would also be available to scramble??
I was stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. There is one squadron on standby, maybe 2 planes, ready to go at any time. We have 4 squadrons. Black Nights, Vikings, Red Devils, and Vf-101 the training squadron. Vf-101 was the only f/a18 c/d. Everyone else had super hornets until the transition to f35. March Air Force base covers the west coast with ballistic missiles. Naval air station North Island also has around 2 to 3 SSN in Point Loma. One carrier is usually in port. Miramar also has three squadrons of v-22s. Three squadrons of ch53s two squadrons of c-130s. Sometimes, f-16s and f-15. Would spend a month on station cross traing. The only way we would be ready and waiting would be an early waring. Takes about an hour for the crews just to get to the missile bunkers. Also, there are rats in the bunkers that would routinely set off the alarms. Ask any questions. This is also public knowledge, so im not disclosing any secret information. But the rats might be top secret.
March Air Reserve Base is about 80 miles north east of San Diego. The tenant unit is a detachment of the 144th Fighter Wing, which is an F-15 unit. They also have F-16s from the 114th Fighter Wing, two of which are on 5 minute strip alert at all times. About twice as far away is Edwards AFB, which has a squadron each of Raptors and Lightnings, as well as a squadron each of British and Norwegian Lighnings. Probably too far to help, but they would scramble. March ARB would absolutely scramble planes as quickly as they can.
Don’t forget that the biggest base in the US (Pendleton) is about 40 miles north of San Diego city and March AFB is about 80 miles north east. And North Island has air assets you can see them from Point Loma
I grew up in Bath Maine where both of the Zumwalt class destroyers were built, and its so strange hearing about them elsewhere because while growing up and watching them get built, I thought they were just normal ships, and had no idea of their significance. They’re awesome ships!
@@tetraxis3011 how so? They were definitely a huge waste of money for what they got back, but the ships themselves are literal engineering marvels. I’ve never heard anything bad about the ships except that they costed a lot of money.
I know this is an old video or if this has changed at all since I was USMC from 04 to 08, but Marines phased out Stingers and Avenger platforms during that time, so they wouldn't have them in this scenario. They were in fact retooling the Stinger Batteries to being standardized grunt units. I was deployed to Africa as an augment with 3rd LAAD back in late 2007 and the word at that time was that the USMC intended to completely retire the Stinger system and existing Stinger units be folded into other responsibilities, such as what we were doing in Africa which was being base security personnel. Don't know what we'd be using now, but that's just what I remember anyways.
No F-35B at MiramarZ That'd be news to a lot of people. Anyway,, MCAS Miramar and North Island are only the two closest airfields. Well within aircraft range but a bit further from action are bases in Irvine (alsthough likely only helicopters nowadays), and a few bases in Los Angeles, and Imperial Valley. I suppose depending on how much a surprise attack a Chiense aircraft carrier might be, you could argue no aircraft would be loaded with weapons that can be used. Also, beside California Air National Guard, there is a multitude of light aircraft and vessels of the Coast Guard manybe not loaded with weapons but extremely capable surveillance. Additionally, commercial airdraft regularly fly in all directions up and down and around the coast at least out to 30 or 50 miles or so... It's very busy and I'm sure something like a Chinese aircraft carrier would be visible if not detectable at least 100 miles from the ooastline. In your scenario, you also suggest the Abraham Lincoln is currently ported in San Diego. Are you suggesting none of its aircraft is also local? Are you suggesting the entire air wing is deployed on another vessel and not spending time in San Diego for training purposes? From a Chinese logistics point of view, that would be some kind of achievement to disappear one of their 3 aircraft carriers long enough to sail across the Pacific to San Diego. It would have to involve at least one if not multiple refuelings and arrive at San Diego with practically empty fuel, ready to engage.. In a realistic situation, I'd expect that the US would be raising alarm bells once one of China's aircraft carriers had disappeared and be combing the entire Pacific looking for the ship using satellites, radar, visual sightings by commercial cargo and commercial aircraft, everything. So just raising questions about the realistic possibility of a surprise attack on San Diego... Slim and none beyond what you've accounted for in your proposed scenario.
Funny that you did this video while I'm visiting San Diego. Aboard the USS Midway museum, you can currently see the Nimitz and the Carl Vinson. The Lincoln has just left. Saw DDG 93 coming in.
Just in the San Diego port on cruz boat... went next to see the USS Enterprise, Aircraft carrier built in 1970... Never saw service. Great tour of boat.
I think If America detected them comming the 7th fleet would drop back striking them with task force 74 & 79 as they moved out of range of land based support . While moving 3rd fleet to rendezvous near Hawaii to reinforce 7th fleet with the 4th & 5th fleets not far behind. They would fight more of a defensive battle.
You’ve forgotten a number of well armed land based military bases along the west coast including Las Vegas that could bring a ton of firepower to bare in a very short time if need be
Taxi time of AI actually make it more realistic. The fact that airbase has set number of aircraft does not mean that pilots sits in them 24/7 waiting for sortie order. They need some time to brief, get to the planes, fuel them and arm them and then thay can sortie. So for surprise attacks, you sould add about 10 minutes of standby before defender can take off.
Modernized version of battle: ruclips.net/video/TbfBjDZjEsY/видео.html
The San Diego base would be empty because all their ships would be out tracking the Massive Chinese presence.
At least active weapon systems
So is that giving justification for their aircraft being scramble ready?
Did you listen to first 2min of the video?
Not all of them. This is homeport. Some are in for repairs, replenishment, refits, etc. The sailors live in the area would still need time to get their bags, get on the ship, get ready for sea, cast the lines, and get out of the narrow port entrance.
@@CombatIneffective if this were true there would be plenty of warning prior to any attack due to intelligence and ships would be able to deploy without a problem. Ships in for yard work could not deploy due to maintenance needs. There are usually two and sometimes three carrier battle groups deployed at any one time in the Pacific and numerous ships and subs off the coast of San Diego preparing for deployment doing local operations. Also, more than half the crew live on the ship.
I have a story about a real life scramble while the US was being attacked. I used to live in the Burlington, VT area. Roughly in the area off the NW end of the Burlington International Airport runway. This airport is where the Green Mountain Boys of the Vermont Air National Guard squadron is based. They were flying F16s at the time (they have since switched out to F35s). The morning of 9/11 one of my roommates and I were glued to the TV as we watched the first World Trade Center building burn. We watched in horror as the second plane hit. It seemed like within a few minutes the F16s were screaming into the air. We were all used to hearing the jets take off, but this was obviously something COMPLETELY different. None of us had EVER heard them come out of the airport that loud and fast. That sound, and the purpose behind it, still gives me shivers. The planes headed directly south 260 miles to fly air cover over Manhattan. It didn't take them long to get there.
But if you listen to the recordings you find out that none of these scrambled jets found a single hijacked plane! …NEAD was very lame ! …They couldn’t get out of their own way…They were too busy passing info “up the chain” to verify reality from drill…it was a “who’s on first” situation…Meanwhile the hijackers were completing their mission…A very sad representation of Air Defense Command!
@@pilljr.3331 what the fuck are you on about you? the three successful attacks happened in the space of less than 50 minutes. credit to the saudis, that was well coordinated. not surprising they weren’t found when there were literally thousands of planes in the air in and around the eastern seaboard. fuck off dumbass
@pilljr.3331 but now we are in the sky 24/7.
I been driving 7 years now. I have contracts with Navy a and Airforce now. I have yet to deliver and not see Jets taking off and landing. Non stop
Let me say that one more time.
Non Stop
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I have GoPro footage of the F35's in Ket West Station with the Super Hornets flying around and taking off in groups of four.
Well the Super Hornets are grouped in 4 the F35 go up in 2's. In Key West that is. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
All they do is play all day every day now.
Some of the Super Hornets have blue missles on them. So they do nothing. But others don't, so I say. This will Never ever happen again.
Hahahahahahahahaha I'm kidding, this is nothing new. We been doing this since Pearl Harbor. Wayyyyyy Worse losing War Ships then losing life and buildings comparing the two.
So , now that I know 100% because I asked every single fly boy. At every single base I ever been to. Not to mention when I was younger in my 20's im now 43. I was in Mississippi in Gulfport. And those boys fly 24/7 also. Over and over and over all you see is the Fighter squadrons taking off and landing.
So we have groups in the Gulf playing around and patrolling at same time. We have groups all up and down the east coast in the Atlantic. We have groups all up the west coast in the pacific. I know this with my own two eyes.
Soooooooo, 9/11 happened on purpose. I'm not one of those conspiracy people. But this is my own opinion. With the amount of Fighter Jets we have in the air. Knowing now that CIA said we getting attacked. Days before it happend. Come on man, little Bush did one Big Bush wanted.
That's what's truly Sad Brother.
Because America is a Bad Ass since Pearl Harbor. More so since Vietnam, we choose to keep wars going for 20 years. Makes money and develops weapons all across the board.
Our dollar is backed up by out military not gold any more.
Sooooo, let's talk about what really going on. Because America not ready especially after the first building went down. Pffffffttttttt hahahahahaha
Nahhhhhh
Don’t forget the UPS squadrons located thruout the Southern California airports, they could be used to air drop millions of Amazon packages to overwhelm and sink the carriers and it would be mostly free if they concentrated with only Prime Packages!👍😉😂
Amazon air fleet with rapid dragons, based.
Lol I was thinking the Blue angels might be at el Centro. With no weapons, they may be the pinnacle of Fox-4 technology!
Definitely play hell with china's radar
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Lol
The narrator is so good it's like watching a sports match. I'm thoroughly enjoying this. Keep it up guys!
Cap, the US Marine Corps is receiving both F-35B and F-35C. The B was to replace the AV-8B Harrier, and some F/A-18’s. The F-35C will be replacing the rest of the F/A-18’s for use on super carriers to supplement the Navy squadron in the carrier air wing. B model will only be used by LHD and LHA vessels. Another thing that might need to get modeled is the Evolved Sea Sparrow and the rolling airframe missile. The later is replacing CIWS on surface vessels.
Yeah, the Marine F-35s at Miramar are all F-35C AFAIK.
@@williamhumber5890 They began "advanced F35B training" as of Oct 2021...
@@scottsauritch3216 That makes sense that there would be a mixture of B and C models.
@KILLSWITCH6 Shiney paint may be Ceramic RAM. Released yesterday. Last few minutes is esp. relevant. Also, ceramic stealth absorbs 90% radar vs. 80% for current stealth coating. So UP CLOSE and in your face before a ceramic coated stealth fighter is seen on radar. ruclips.net/video/1bb4kq95Rg4/видео.html
The Cwis to Sea-ram upgrade is so elegant and cost efficient I'm surprised it wasn't overlooked for a whole new proprietary system requiring total refit.
The fear of a scenario like this is exactly why both US and China have invested so much R&D and funding into "weather monitoring" satellites.
Well, you called that one...
Partly sunny with a chance of AMRAMs
@@stevedavenport1202 LOL! Better than “Cloudy because H-Bombs”, I suppose. 🤷🏼♂️
It's highly unlikely that a Chinese carrier's whereabouts are unmonitored. To surprise U.S. intelligence is really difficult.
China will never be able to even attempt this. Their fleet will be sunk long before it gets within range of the US coast
The USMC will be using a combination of F-35B (for LHD/LHA operations) and F-35C (some marine squadrons are part of naval air wings). So you can opt Marines with F-35Cs.
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@@grimreapers hey Cap, where can we get the LCS mods from, are you able to provide a link? Thank you and thanks for another great video as well
In a war scenario, I'd expect the Aegis/SM equipped ships in-port to be at least partially crewed and able to slave their missile batteries to either destroyer outside the harbor via data link. In theory, that should provide a lot of extra SAM protection. TRs airwing would be shore-based at NAS Lemoore which is 255 nm away.
yhea i dont see how war ships would be completely uncrewed at shore. there would likely be a skeleton crew on board for maintenance and also to be able to scramble defences.
@@emptyforrest always is. All ships can be at battle stations in a matter of minutes
Hopefully DCS could find a way to integrate modern submarines into the game
Subs would be great and definitely a game changer
@@jameslove5457 Changer? As in the Chinese would get beaten MORE badly? Just going by the complete unknown of DCS modeling for accuracy they got their asses kicked. The actual reality is that the US has for decades been able to track not only every single surface warship anywhere in the world, but in the 1980s they could detect when Soviet ships were **preparing** to leave port. Not even moving yet. The Chinese are even easier to detect.
If subs are brought into the mix this attack never happens. I think to make it sporting it's better to be kind to the Chinese and leave them out.
@@jameshisself9324 Yea the whole time I was watching this I was thinking that. I was thinking even if they got this attack off it would never ever make it back to China. The whole Pacific sub fleet would be sicked on it. Fun to watch though.
@@jameshisself9324 it's not the present status quo but inevitable future Chinese progress that change the entire equation.
@@jameshisself9324 yea what ever bro
The very first GR video I watched was like this one. I served in the USMC and I was angered. I learned quickly that these are just randomly generated simulations that are amazingly entertaining despite not super realistic. DCS has limitations. I think GR does a wonderful job and their team are hilarious!
I agree..this story is purely propaganda...the chinese are dreaming...their military foolishness will bring and make them worse than their russky comrade.🤣🤣🤣
The fact that so many Americans like you are so easily angered by a game simulation or war simulation shows how unprepared and untested you guys are in the event of an actual invasion. Nearly every single country in this world has been invaded, and many of the people know that no one's invincible. They know there are weaknesses in their nations and strive to improve it. But it's always the Americans that get overly butthurt when their country "loses" in a simulation because they can't comprehend the idea that there is no such thing as an invincible nation. They stull have the American Exceptionalism idea in side their head that makes them think America somehow is just so special that they'll never lose a war.
I think that if the chinese started moving and splitting on the other side of the pacific, every major target on the west coast would have armed up and be on high alert.
Not so sure....they wouldn't want to be accused of racial profiling!
@@majerstud oh how the mighty are falling…
How many pilots did we lose for non-vaccinating? Add 4 minutes to the scrambles for the transgenders to apply their makeup.
@@majerstud Given the current administration, you're probably right.
Just like when we sail in them
There were still 2 YJ-12s in the air in the south when you ended. When you thought there were 4 in the air at the end, there were actually 6.
Right? Watched the whole thing to come up a minute short of simulation.
@@jekkershinator4671 Bunged simulation that is.
Well, when you consider allied losses of F-35s due to poorly coded missile launches, it shakes out. Not too bad
I want to see the follow-up revenge strike of 2 squadrons of P-8 Poseidons, each carrying 11 AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER Harpoons on the Chinese carrier. With a squadron of F-35s to deal with the half dozen fighters they have left aboard. lol
Jumping back to Ukraine after this for a few weeks.
The empire strikes back
Counter-Strike B-52 Squadron armed with anti-ship missiles.
I mean, if GR don't do it, just use your imagination, I guess
There are several bases that were not mentioned in the scenario, you have Camp Pendleton that also has an air base (mostly helicopters), NAS El Centro that is only about 120 miles away, Yuma Marine Corps Air Station that is about 200 miles away, Also we have submarine base that would probably have subs out patrolling. And there is a training island off the coast of San Diego and I would assume there is some type of air defense there. And there is an auxiliary air base down in San Ysidro area that is part of the City of San Diego. Also we have killer dolphins that the navy trainings here as well.
Handful of air force bases within 300 miles as well. That's not a lot of flight time for a fighter.
Yeah the entire west cost and south west is like nothing but military bases. Any attack on the west cost is going up against the Marines, Navy and Air force air power. They are fucked. Not to mention the reverse engineered UFOs we got in area 51.... hahaha.
I think the killer dolphins have been used making the ultimate sacrifice above some pipelines in the Baltic this week. Only half joking…
Navy trained Killer dolphins? is that why they are so mean to the local surfers.
Yes the Navy does train dolphins and have a base in San Diego to do so, now Dolphins have been some human behaviors that are scary.
Love ALL of your videos!! These "what if" ones are definitely fun to watch and I am sure they are a big challenge to put together. I didn't read all of the comments so some of what I am about to say could already have been said - sorry in advance. The setup for this video sort of treats San Diego as if it is a lot more isolated as a military facility than it really is. I am not sure if they are too far away to be much help in this scenario, but you have both Edwards AFB (North of LA) and Vandenberg AFB (NW of LA on the coast). Also, there is a HUGE Navy T&E facility with Surface AND Air Search radars located up and down the coast of SoCal and also on at least some of the islands off the coast. The Sea Test Range itself is 36,000 square miles in size (that is the area in which the official testing typically takes place). You can get an idea what this looks like by googling NAWCWD Point Mugu Sea Range. Point Mugu is/was also a Naval Air Station. I am not sure what is still stationed there as in the early 2000's I believe much of the tenants of the base we relocated to China Lake (further North of LA) as part of the BRAC actions taken by the US Government and the DoD.
There are several more bases in range for the parameters of this scenario that are even closer than the LA bases: March Air Force Base and NAF El Centro.
There is one major factor not being included in on this; NAS North Island. That's where that cold dark carrier's aircraft would be based at. Even taking into account the base is primarily used for ASW planes and choppers, there are always some F/A-18s out there. So they'd be amongst the first to be scrambled and you'd likely have an additional dozen planes ready to go along with anything else that could be thrown together for Anti-Ship duty. And it definitely has additional SAMs and whatnot.
"His missile just fell off like big douche" lmao Now that should be on a T-shirt lol. Wow just wow this has to be one of the best battles yet! I appreciate yalls hard work in making these awesome videos!
If they're going after San Diego their going to be dealing with like 8 different enormous bases, Coronado, Miramar, Pendelton, Ventura, Edwards, March, Vandenberg and 29 Palms. Not to mention the small one and the various airpots that have armed jets. March Alone would probably blow a carrier group out of the water >_>
Don't forget El Centro and Yuma. San Diego is one of the most heavily fortified places on the planet.
There is some other stuff in nevada US army. I'm sure that storage depot would be remanned and shipping Patriot missile batteries out... Also a direct attack on American soil, the response would be nothing short of hell on earth. Until our advisories no longer existed...
@@ismaelcoronajrPatriot Missiles are useless.
These videos are awesome, one of the best things on youtube. Love DCS, but feels like the underlying engine needs to be replaced with something designed for the 2020s level of capability available in a high end PC.
Yip, starting with true multi core support.
Yes it's not realyl good enough for these large battles.
And you can go to war without getting killed😊
It doesn't get much better that this!!
@@grimreapers the last month has been so good friends and I are having watch parties!! So good!
As a San Diego resident, I find this intriguing. I will say, MCAS routinely launches aircraft. See them often when I’m driving on the i15
All day everyday lol
The last time I passed Miramar and my tractor trailer, British were training in the new 35s. A whole bunch of fifteens, and 18s were doing touch and goes.
I live in San Diego, for all the dcs lovers and for what its worth, I once saw a b2 spirit stealth bomber take off from Miramar. Photos really don't show how big that thing is. Flew by the skyscrapers really gave scale of the thing.
Miramar Air Show every year, love it! Greetings from North County.
@@CheeseDanish85 Greetings as well from North County! Will be at the Air Show tomorrow with my son!
@@the_beef4762Yuuup! Pumped for it!
As other have noted, the F-35B is only used on Landing craft Vessels, which previously only used harriers and helicopters. Coincidentally idea for a future video, is to have a battle with the Japan self defense force, who for the first time will have "carriers" - helicopter carriers now equiped with he F-35B. Would be interested to see a small f35B contingent go up against a large north korea flight of migs guiding in missiles
Wouldn't an attack sub/destroyer group assigned to shadow the group sink that carrier as soon as it was designated as a hostile? I get that this scenario was limited to air assets, but I would have to think that some of the air units would be tied up trying to defend the carrier from this.
When the last missile broke through the clouds to face four SM-2 trails incoming... priceless.
Staying in SD by the Miramar Base there is a sizable chance that if the attack occurred after 9am there would already be Miramar based fighters in the air who could respond, but I'm not sure if it would be F 18 or F35. They are always flying though.
@jamesmitchem7 Good ?
I was all bowed up and flexed the entire last 15 minutes. Cap is like a football announcer at a championship game between Arsenal and Manchester U (is that even possible?) Some excellent flying, excellent tactics and I couldn't be more stoked.
A EFL Championship game between Arsenal and Manchester United is a dream most football fans want realized.
I have a suggestion for an alternate history scenario that would be really interesting to see how it would play out.
Back story:
At 19:57, 27 October 1981 the soviet submarine S-363 (Swedish designation U137, which i will use during this text) ran aground at Torumskär in Gåsefjärden, close to the naval base in Karlskrona. They are trying to pull themselves off, but are unable to do so and reports this back to base at 21:00. At around 22:00 they are spotted by a Swedish fisherman, who reports his findings to the naval base in Karlskrona the morning after at 09:54. At 11:30 this is reported to the Supreme Commander of the Swedish Armed Forces.
This of course leads to mobilization of Swedish forces. The coastal artillery are deployed to the area, manning both fixed and mobile artillery systems. They also deploy coastal rangers with access to different kinds of anti tank weapons that can be used, such as m/48 Carl Gustaf recoilless rifles.
At around 19:00, reports state that a Soviet naval force are on it's way to rescue the submarine. The Prime minister Thorbjörn Fälldin gives the order: Hold the border! When the vessels are roughly 700 meters from the border, the Swedish artillery switches it's radars from peacetime mode to the frequency hopping war mode. Within 30 seconds the soviet vessels reduces their speed, and at 21:00 they stop at the border. At 02:30, the soviets decide to cancel the rescue mission, which was planned for 03:00.
The scenario:
What would had happened if the Soviet forces had not decided to cancel their mission, but instead pushed trough?
Swedish forces in the area:
4x 152mm Artillery based at Tjurkö island
Coastal rangers with heavy weapons deployed at Östra Hästholmen island.
Submarine Neptun
Första flygeskadern aka ÖB:s Klubba (Three wings of AJ37 Viggen, 64-96 aircraft in total. Known as The Commanders Mallet. Probably carrying 2xRb04, with air defence provided by J35 Draken and/or JA37 Viggen)
Icebreaker Thule, parked across the path to U137
Multiple smaller vessels
Soviet forces:
U137, stuck on a rock.
Destroyer Obraztsovyj (Kashin class)
1x Destroyer Kildin class
2x Corvette Nanuchka class
1x Frigate Riga class
Most likely at least one more submarine
Several support vessels
Grow the F up.
Grow up!
So would some Soviet Airforce assets get involved to spice it up?
There's a movie about this but it happens on the coast of New England.
You're leaving out in your scenario that the Soviet Air Force was heavily based around the Baltic. Latvia, Estonia and St. Petersburg were at the time home to enough MiG-23s to dwarf the Swedish Air Force, a regiment of MiG-25s at Monchegorsk, and two regiments flying Su-24s for all-weather attack.
@@fluffskunk You mean a Hollywood propaganda movie?
Just to clarify things for any of you I am talking with in the comments section. I am loving the discussions we are having. The research is something I like to do as a hobby of mine because I am passionate about it. Its why I made my channel in the first place. I love the commentary after these!
Maybe this has been addressed before... Can the F35 "Murder Configuration" not transform to a "Stealth" configuration after launching the external mounted missiles? Surely the boffins could find a way to detach/dump the missile mounts after use?
I'd imagine that the brackets that connect pylons to the wings would still be pretty non-stealthy, but it's doubtful that those would have a combined >1m RCS.
Would likely result in the belly aspect being non-stealth, but anything coming in from above the nose (like a missile, terminally guiding) probably wouldn't notice any difference.
Still, it's a pretty niche capability that probably doesn't warrant the cost, development hours or mechanical complexity IRL
I have wondered this too- the idea to me is that the racks would not be too stealthy, but probably not make that much of an impact. My only concern would be the mounts that attach the racks to the wing might not be outfitted with the correct stealth coating and maybe will have enough edges to emit a presence to an AWACS or a ship/land-based radar.
Hi Cap! This series has been EPIC! Have you considered somewhat of a "tutorial" video showing how to get all the mods (ie AIM120D, PL15, etc) set up so that the valuable viewers at home could do their own roll play? Thanks!
First the skill of Katana and now Violet Moon.... the Lady Grim Reapers are quite impressive!
Apart from the friendly fire. Just saying.
@@pompeytid1970 Well, there was that.....
I watch F-35’s fly everyday out of Miramar. It’s definitely a hell of a site to see and never gets old.
I was a carrier for th post office and only miss-delivered a package once. Amazon on the othr hand . . .
99.99% of the time aircraft flying out of Miramar depart west bound due to prevailing winds. I watch them every day. Also the US forces would have a much larger detection radius.
Wow Violet went full Queen beast mode there . Really enjoyed that one .
I've been playing DCS for a month now only got F16 and Nevada map (plus free ones like A4 and Marianas) really enjoying it , I'm ex-Navy aircraft technician (British Junglie) so training is not as bad for me , using things like HSI and understanding terms is fine (well done to anyone who had no experience) . The only thing I have struggled with in Air-to-Air is the JF-17 . I swear the F-16 has real problems detecting and tracking it , the Flankers are even easier than I thought to take down . I managed to land the F16 on my second ever try . Been doing loads of cold start takeoff/landings and CAP missions against a variety of enemies (AI of course) being outnumbered no more than 3-1 .
Once I manage to get a grip with Air-to-Ground and purchase Flaming Cliffs 3 I will go multiplayer , not feeling confident about going multiplayer right now as I'd be more of a hinderance to people .
Anyone else in the early stages of DCS ? .
Cap you didn't notice two more Yj-12s that were still on their way. But still an awesome video!
I've watched a few of your simulations, this is the first one to get me on the edge of my seat. Good work.
I was stationed in San Diego and its defenses are astounding. If there was an assualt from foreign naval assets they would be wiped clean.
We learned a thing or two from Pearl Harbor.
I was stationed in San Diego as well and you are right, it is way more dfended than this sim puts on. And yes some of the ships would be in cold iron and not operating or fighting but we always had a few ready to go and so many bases around San Diego that I am pretty sure no one would get through it to easily.
one of the best simulations you have ever done. Unrealistic scenario? yes, up until the point of firing, then is was amazing.
Can you guys do a alternate Falklands War scenario where the Royal Navy task force is built around 2x modernised Malta class Aircraft Carriers (the unbuilt equivalent of the Midways) with Buccaneers and Phantoms? Maybe do an operation in place of the Black Buck Raid or one involving searching out and killing the Northern Argentine task force based around the Colossus Class Carrier "Veinticinco De Mayo" and her 2x Type 42 escorts? I'd be really curious to see the latter scenario.
Love the content, keep up the fantastic work!
One additional thing! By 1982 with 4x (or more 3x by that time) Malta's in service the RN would have likely replaced the Fairey Gannet AEW with either the proposed P139 AEW Aircraft concept or E2 Hawkeye's. I think the latter. Just something to bare in mind
I'd prefer to ser the x2 cancelled CVA-01 class carriers.
@@vader1a Nope the Maltas were WW2 designs that were cancelled by Atlees government in 1945. They were open hanger carriers and about 10,000 heavier then preceding Audacious class Armoured Hanger Carriers of which HMS ArkRoyal R09 and HMS Eagle R05 were members of. Its been calculated that the Maltas would have needed less modernisation work to make them viable modern fleet carriers in the 60s & 70s, which could have seen them being retained in service until the late 80s or early 90s.
Edit: Whoops sorry did you update the comment? In the notification I got you were asking if I was referring to CVA-01
@@NightHeronProduction I thought so I just wasn't completely sure.
Personally I would I'd like to see due to cva-01 class with the cancelled type 82 destroyers. 😆
@@vader1a Okay with the Type 82's I'd be up for that, I do think however that too much needs to change in the timeline of things for CVA's 01 & 02 to become a reality, thats the reason I went for Maltas but heck either way, a alternate Falklands scenario with large catobar carriers would great to watch get war-gamed.
This is such a FUN channel keep up the good work cap!
I was so happy when I saw this! Sad to see the Chinese naval series end. Please promise me that when new game changer mods come out we'll re-visit this sweetness. Cheers.
33:15 The streaking fighter on fire during the dogfight was an awesome sequence.
I would also add Air National Guard assets, Edwards AFB, and any assets Yuma Proving Grounds would add.
These videos are awesome, one thing to add… people have already brought up that we’d know the ship is there well before the attack which is true. Along with the active naval fleets active in the East PAC area, the Coast Guard WMSL’s(national security cutter) and other legacy and legend class cutters would be more than capable of finding and even possibly engaging depending on the circumstances. The CG is beyond active patrolling these areas between us and Japan and all the way down to the tip of South America
Edit: I’m not saying the CG would sink the vessel, but is more than capable of damaging it past the point of still being mission capable
Chinese aircraft would sink the coast guard.
@@estebanlara3702 nah nah nah, puddle pirates shall prevail
Was great to see how Violet Moon redeemed herself after her blue-on-blue mistake early on. ;-) GREAT battle, Reapers!
at 18:00, every major US Airport has at least two ANG F-16's ready to go at a moment's notice, with more on standby. I've watched those things take off on CAP patrols near every time I go to the airport. Post 9/11 USA is the most heavily defended airspace in the world. Aircraft might not get into the AO within 15 minutes, but within the hour you can count on a three dozen F-15/16's swarming the area. within three hours you'll have nearly a thousand fighters in the air looking for something to shoot across the country.
I would love to see a follow up video with the whole US Fleet in San Diego; Carriers, LHAs, Destroyers, Cruisers, LCS everything hunting down the Chinese Carrier and the Type 003 meets up with some more destroyers and frigates but it only has its remaining aircraft.
Don't forget B-52s spamming cruise missiles.
@@danielstephens7416Regular cruise missiles are kind of useless against moving targets.
Very nice GR!!! very few issues and did not get mad at the ones that did. Very professional!! Keep up the great content.
All legacy Hornets have now been retired from the Marine Corps. The US no longer operates any C or D model Hornets. They've either been replaced with Super Hornets or F-35s. I know for a fact that Squadron 323, which is listed in Wikipedia as still flying legacy Hornets, has actually officially retired their Hornets and is upgrading to the F-35C. They were the last Marine squadron still flying legacy Hornets.
@Edward No, it isn't. There are literally articles about the Marines retiring the last legacy Hornets.
@Edward dunno what to tell you man.
@Edward whatever you say man. I literally don't care.
Violet is surprisingly even better at dog fighting than she is at friendly fire missiles lol
wow, massive chinese break out, so lets just sit and twiddle our thumbs. Also the odds of any Chinese ships making it back, after most of them being tracked, minus the whatever you think makes it there, is a lot of submarines having a field day
I'm wondering how effective a swarm of drones would be against the ship's defense. 2-300 drones each carrying a 10lb shaped charge or a claymore type charge for crew in the open on carriers could crater the deck and stop air operations as well as take out the deck crews. Maybe Arma 3 can put this to the test.
Given that any Chinese carrier group would be shadowed by a US sub since leaving its home port, the Fujian would probably be immediately sunk just after launching is A2A wave and it heads out toward SD. The anti-shipping wave would never even get into the air.
"A" sub? I'm thinking '688 feeding frenzy.
@@darrylsmith7871 LOL, you're right, of course.
What’s 688 feeding frenzy I’m a tactics dude
if the chinese were smart they would put dozens of antiship missiles onto civilian cargo ships and fire them off at less than 50 miles range, containerised missiles are a thing these days.
I'd like to believe that if china sent every piece of hardware toward the west coast, they would not even make it half way across the pacific and every bit of it all would reside forever more at the bottom of the sea.
So totally not true ! The US would send in the modern equivalents to the Glomar Explorer and raise every sunken Chinese ship from the deep and display them at the entrance to San Diego harbour as a warning to others,
@@rags417 oooh, even better. I like it!
Sure bud. The US can beat all the world combined right? The US wins everything……(sarcasm).
@@tetraxis3011 US VS the entire world, no. But with the power NATO and all the bilateral relations with the Indo-Pacific region, Yes.
The US navy can indeed, beat every other navy in the world, at the same time
You guys missed there is an ANG F-15 squadron in Fresno CA.
Just out of curiosity, wouldn’t the us naval forces be warming up from the moment that any Chinese naval incursion was spotted and so be warmed up by the time the Chinese arrived?
The ship crews are probably out on Liberty and scattered all across California or at home.
_"... from the moment that any Chinese naval incursion was spotted ..."_
The entire scenario was based on the premise that one small Chinese carrier TF was able to escape American surveillance and sneak up on the west coast. A 21st century Pearl Harbor, if you will. But at San Diego.
@@xenaguy01 As he explained, the Chinese scrambled their whole fleet and the Americans lost track of this one group. So the Americans would most certainly know if they lost one of the Chinese Carriers. So in fact, they would ready every singe destroyer to defend all important locations and try to track the group down.
@@thorH.
I don 't disagree. But, . . . _THE SCENARIO FOR _*_THIS GAME_* is t hat the Americans were unprepared. Please bear in mind that:
1) This is a game.
2) No one can know what _WILL_ happen in any set of circumstance, only what one _THINKS_ will happen.
@@xenaguy01 yeah sure, but I am pretty certain, that US Comand will be very nervous when they loose a Chinese Carrier in the pacific. So hmm, maybe kind of unrealistic, but it is still a very interesting scenario nevertheless
The Carl Vincent is carrying 5th gen plans now. My son serves on the Vincent!
There are a TON of Navy, USMC facilities here in SD. If you're ever here go to the Midway Carrier museum. It's awesome. A ton of good military museums, etc here in town. Every time I am down town I always imagine how China would attack us here lol.
I was just thinking, what about the HMS Surprise? It could go out to meet that carrier! 🤣🤣😜🤣🤣
Just a little note the carriers air wing are generally at an airbase close to the carriers base where they go when the carrier is in port so they would likely be close enough for some of their plans to assist within this scenario. Can’t speak for west coast but east coast in Norfolk the air wings switches to NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. So I would guess on west coast they air wing would be in the marine base.
When I was a kid in the 80s, I heard a psychic speak about a vision she had of the future. She said she saw men in black and ships invading the west coast of the U.S. The thing that stood out to me was that she said they were Asian looking. This was weird because at the time there were no Asian countries that were a threat to us. Now, I know what country’s forces she probably saw in her vision.
Why they gotta be Asian? Where did you find this psychic? Did she say they were wearing black or were black? Why does your comment sound like a 80’s action/thriller?
@@James-bs8bd she used the word “oriental” to describe them. They were dressed in black uniforms.
I live in San Diego and I have several souvenir type swords so I'm pretty sure if something like this actually happened I'd just handle it myself.
17:42: IIRC, Vandenberg does not have any LIVE ICBMs; its solely a rocket base. They have ICBMs with inert payload simulators, but no nukes. All they do are launch satelites and test fire inert ICBMs into the Kwajalein Atoll off the Marshall Islands; they don't have any weaponry other than small arms.
18:00: Does anyone know how many CA compliant ARs it would take to shoot down a Chinese jet? I'm sure there's a lot of Californians outside of LA and San Deigo that would be more than willing to give it a try. I mean, if you put enough 5.56 into the air, it eventually functions like flak.
27:21: PLA cyber capabilities are unmatched...
28:57: Isn't there some legend about a Chinese general killing condemned prisoners in front of the enemy army? The enemy thought the prisoners were inocent civilians, concluded that the soilders and thier leaders were psychopaths, and elected not to get involved. Maybe that was Violet's plan?
48:44: CVNs don't have thier airwings in port. The CAG is not part of the ship; its its own organizational entity. A CAG relocates to a NAS when the ship is in port.
@18:00 it's an interesting question, I'm going to have to do some math on what the maximum altitude a round could reach.
I would imagine if you had enough guys firing off rounds and saturating the air, if any made it to the right altitude it would be as bad as a small bird strike on the intakes at the very least.
Of course with all of those bullets raining back down I'd wonder if they would do more damage to people and property on the ground.
I think the residents of Coronado would lose their shit over the emissions from the missiles if the Arleigh Burkes let loose while in port. The base switchboard would be lit up like a Christmas tree.
In a real life scenario, The Chineese won't even cross half the Pacific.... 🤣🤣😅.....
unless they were already off the west coast. Ie: cargo ships loaded with missiles hidden in containers that totally sneak up without being noticed.
Naval Base San Diego is celebrating its 100 Annivesary🎉😊
The USMC absolutely does have, at MCAS Miramar, Super Hornets and Growlers. And ... since 911 they also have Patriot SAM systems, now Iron Dome as well.
The Chinese fleet would be picked up and tracked with well more than enough time to get our surface and sub fleets up and out to sea to meet and destroy our enemies.
A couple of things I think should have been considered in this scenario.
You did not take into consideration NASNI in Coronado. This is where the carriers are docked and their would anywhere from 1 to 3 there. Sometimes, if they are coming in and leaving again, the fighter wing would be left on the ship.
NASNI is the Pacific Fleet HQ and always has quite a few planes. Probably not all ready for combat as the base is a repair facility.
32nd Street Naval Base always has a lot of ships (I think you took that into account though). this is NOT where the carriers dock as they can't get in there.
If the Chinese sent so many ships into the Pacific, by the time they got close to San Diego, we would have the entire Pacific Fleet either trailing them or on standby in positions where they could not approach get in range of San Diego or Los Angeles. In addition, air wings along the cost as well as inland would be notified and wings scrambled to the bases in San Diego and LA.
In addition, the air radar on the coast is not something to be forgotten, though I doubt anyone really knows its capabilities. Our satellite systems can't be forgotten about either. It would be interesting to see how the Chinese would fair in a scenario where the US detected their fleet deployment and moved forces in preparation for some attack along the coast. I imagine that would take some thought and counting of available US assets that could be deployed.
Hey I love this vids
I really wish I could see this engagement from Violet's POV. Just the glimpses shown here means it must've been WILD.
If you want it to be realistic : add escort ships for chinese carrier with cruise missiles and anti ship missiles + the strike would be coordinated (no j 15 going solo into the fight) and they would make an AWACS take off from the carrier as soon as possible plus you need to take into account the time necessary to put weapons and fuel and the US planes. (And there would most likely be 2 US carrier as generally 1/3 of the carriers that deployed.
Also the j15 anti ship planes would be carrying pl 12 or 15 for long range self defense. Nato does the same, even in ground attack f18 generally have 2 aim120 and 2 aim9
Can china launch cruise missles from submarines?
@@Squirl513 what nation can’t in this day and age?
@@Squirl513 yes
@@splatoonistproductions5345 it wasn't meant to be a troll question. Was actually curious. One or two subs slipping by while a huge naval drill is going on sounds more plausible to me.
They wouldn't get to play with the planes in that case tho...
I lived in San Diego for 5 years. It wasn't often that 2 carriers were in town at the same time. At least not for long. I know that the port can handle it. My father in law served with the Navy and said he remembers a time when 4 carriers were in port at the same time back years ago, but the usual here is 1.
When he fires that first missile he was super cruising above Mach 1 that will significantly increase the range of his missile.
Just had a thought while watching this one, dont know wether the americans do the same, but , when our carriers / ships go home to port, we generally land our air wings, so , perhaps the air wings from the carriers would also be available to scramble??
They should be available, but maybe not as rapidly ig
Capt. You would be one hell of a sports announcer!! Love your dialogue
I hope you guys have fun playing this games, cause they have nothing to do with reality.
I was stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar. There is one squadron on standby, maybe 2 planes, ready to go at any time. We have 4 squadrons. Black Nights, Vikings, Red Devils, and Vf-101 the training squadron. Vf-101 was the only f/a18 c/d. Everyone else had super hornets until the transition to f35. March Air Force base covers the west coast with ballistic missiles. Naval air station North Island also has around 2 to 3 SSN in Point Loma. One carrier is usually in port. Miramar also has three squadrons of v-22s. Three squadrons of ch53s two squadrons of c-130s. Sometimes, f-16s and f-15. Would spend a month on station cross traing. The only way we would be ready and waiting would be an early waring. Takes about an hour for the crews just to get to the missile bunkers. Also, there are rats in the bunkers that would routinely set off the alarms. Ask any questions. This is also public knowledge, so im not disclosing any secret information. But the rats might be top secret.
March Air Reserve Base is about 80 miles north east of San Diego. The tenant unit is a detachment of the 144th Fighter Wing, which is an F-15 unit. They also have F-16s from the 114th Fighter Wing, two of which are on 5 minute strip alert at all times.
About twice as far away is Edwards AFB, which has a squadron each of Raptors and Lightnings, as well as a squadron each of British and Norwegian Lighnings. Probably too far to help, but they would scramble. March ARB would absolutely scramble planes as quickly as they can.
Violet just single handedly fact checked the dog fights in Top Gun Maverick and affirmed them :O
Don’t forget that the biggest base in the US (Pendleton) is about 40 miles north of San Diego city and March AFB is about 80 miles north east. And North Island has air assets you can see them from Point Loma
Do you have the link for downloading the LCS mod, can't find a reliable version anywhere.
This is great because I'm going to the Miramar Air Show on Sunday. It's been awesome seeing all the planes flying around San Diego this week.
I grew up in Bath Maine where both of the Zumwalt class destroyers were built, and its so strange hearing about them elsewhere because while growing up and watching them get built, I thought they were just normal ships, and had no idea of their significance. They’re awesome ships!
Awesome in paper, IRL they suck.
@@tetraxis3011 how so? They were definitely a huge waste of money for what they got back, but the ships themselves are literal engineering marvels. I’ve never heard anything bad about the ships except that they costed a lot of money.
@@blaineburgessthey were meant for naval artillery bombardment... Except their guns don't have ammo.
So now they have no mission
Violet's initial engagements deserve a medal. Stellar work to "Hold the door".
That anchorman joke had me laughing longer than it should 😂
“A.I. dog fight is like a blind muppet”
LOL
I know this is an old video or if this has changed at all since I was USMC from 04 to 08, but Marines phased out Stingers and Avenger platforms during that time, so they wouldn't have them in this scenario. They were in fact retooling the Stinger Batteries to being standardized grunt units. I was deployed to Africa as an augment with 3rd LAAD back in late 2007 and the word at that time was that the USMC intended to completely retire the Stinger system and existing Stinger units be folded into other responsibilities, such as what we were doing in Africa which was being base security personnel. Don't know what we'd be using now, but that's just what I remember anyways.
No F-35B at MiramarZ
That'd be news to a lot of people.
Anyway,, MCAS Miramar and North Island are only the two closest airfields. Well within aircraft range but a bit further from action are bases in Irvine (alsthough likely only helicopters nowadays), and a few bases in Los Angeles, and Imperial Valley. I suppose depending on how much a surprise attack a Chiense aircraft carrier might be, you could argue no aircraft would be loaded with weapons that can be used.
Also, beside California Air National Guard, there is a multitude of light aircraft and vessels of the Coast Guard manybe not loaded with weapons but extremely capable surveillance. Additionally, commercial airdraft regularly fly in all directions up and down and around the coast at least out to 30 or 50 miles or so... It's very busy and I'm sure something like a Chinese aircraft carrier would be visible if not detectable at least 100 miles from the ooastline.
In your scenario, you also suggest the Abraham Lincoln is currently ported in San Diego. Are you suggesting none of its aircraft is also local? Are you suggesting the entire air wing is deployed on another vessel and not spending time in San Diego for training purposes?
From a Chinese logistics point of view, that would be some kind of achievement to disappear one of their 3 aircraft carriers long enough to sail across the Pacific to San Diego. It would have to involve at least one if not multiple refuelings and arrive at San Diego with practically empty fuel, ready to engage.. In a realistic situation, I'd expect that the US would be raising alarm bells once one of China's aircraft carriers had disappeared and be combing the entire Pacific looking for the ship using satellites, radar, visual sightings by commercial cargo and commercial aircraft, everything.
So just raising questions about the realistic possibility of a surprise attack on San Diego... Slim and none beyond what you've accounted for in your proposed scenario.
Funny that you did this video while I'm visiting San Diego. Aboard the USS Midway museum, you can currently see the Nimitz and the Carl Vinson. The Lincoln has just left. Saw DDG 93 coming in.
Let’s not forget there are numerous military bases in California. You have Edwards AFB, March AFB, and others.
Imagine this being the dialogue in the CIC during an actual battle, "ERRR my pants are on friggin FIRE!" "Stealth doing stealth things"
49:18 paused sim but still 2x YJ-12s in flight. Would be interesting to have seen if they could have caused at least one ship to sink.
Just in the San Diego port on cruz boat... went next to see the USS Enterprise, Aircraft carrier built in 1970... Never saw service. Great tour of boat.
Fuel issues? "Laughs in Hornet".
Prius of the skies!
I think If America detected them comming the 7th fleet would drop back striking them with task force 74 & 79 as they moved out of range of land based support . While moving 3rd fleet to rendezvous near Hawaii to reinforce 7th fleet with the 4th & 5th fleets not far behind. They would fight more of a defensive battle.
I love these sims and they're only that good because of your delivery. Thanks mate.
You’ve forgotten a number of well armed land based military bases along the west coast including Las Vegas that could bring a ton of firepower to bare in a very short time if need be
Every ship would be sunk b4 they could see the coast. It isn't a question
Taxi time of AI actually make it more realistic. The fact that airbase has set number of aircraft does not mean that pilots sits in them 24/7 waiting for sortie order. They need some time to brief, get to the planes, fuel them and arm them and then thay can sortie. So for surprise attacks, you sould add about 10 minutes of standby before defender can take off.