I got Corey Taylor's screams WRONG
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For a long time, I thought Corey Taylor's screams were about pure power and anger. I was very wrong. It took hearing some key vulnerabilities in another one of my favorite vocalists to point me in the right direction. Once I realized what Corey was actually doing to get his sound, everything changed for me and my approach to aggressive vocals.
Let me be a part of your discovery process too! I've noticed a LOT of vocalists hold the same misconceptions I did and I'd like to help you save your voice!
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This is a great lesson on getting screams, but yea. Corey's voice on the first two albums is a very damaging way of doing a "false chord". It's best described as yelling with all your throat. And the only reason Corey was able to get through live concerts was Jack Daniels. It got so bad he was told to only speak when on stage. That's why his voice on Volume 3, and the 2nd Stone Sour record sounds so different. His voice so badly damaged from just yelling with all his throat. It's only now sounding better.
Yelling with your throat... Ha.. YES!!
Nah bro it was the alcohol and stuff. He still does the technique live just fine lol
@Daniel Nowka literally tho
Such a triggering username @ISayThingsToPissYouOffToShowHowLameYouAre.🤣
Plus using too much air will kill your voice
Iowa's vocals can never be replicated.....and that's what makes that album and more importantly Corey's screams there....the most undisputed of all
damn right.
It took Corey nearly 15 years to recover his voice from the Iowa screaming.
if he did it
@@martinemanuel8239 no he sounds good if not better now. I saw them live in June and they played really good.
That gives me the chills. I hear his coughing and stuff at the end of some songs and think he’s just adding to the atmosphere, but I bet it’s because he was screaming like that.
It was actually the Voliminal album - along with the StoneSour album released at the same time - that cooked him vocally. He attests as much, that he was trying something differently and it really took a toll, which was went he sounded way lower in All Hope Is Gone, and that his screams sound really tired in live shows 2008-2009.
Yea dude wasn’t using much technique. Just screaming his ass off with some distortion
I don’t even do vocals but your channel is so dialed and amazing
Thank you!
When you think about it, deep anger on the level of what Corey Taylor expressed comes from underlying pain and sadness. I've always noticed the best vocalists allow vulnerability and expression for their own sake, it's like they can't even help it: and then bang, screams with real emotion that truly hook you.
Agree. This is the main point.
Poignancy.
His screaming technique in All hope is gone is the best in my opinion, very guttural and deep with a lot of power from the belly.
Chris, thank you SOOO much for this video, because I as a vocalist had this exact same journey with trying to scream like Corey. I started out by just pushing and ripping up my voice and realized that wasn't it. I was able to find my vocal break, and have a controlled, diaphragm supported scream that had the intensity I was looking for. This video confirmed that I have gone the right way!
Beyond dry technique, you're so right. To me, that's what makes Corey special, and the reason I find a connection with his vocals and lyrics. You can feel so much pain, so much vulnerability and humanity both in his melodic voice and in his screams. It's no surprise that I like his stuff so much since I'm going through kinda rough times.
I first heard the vulnerability and abandon in Corey's voice was in the final word of Solway Firth. That was what revealed what my vocal foundation was to me
Yeah Corey Taylor used to yell with false chord engagement but he pushed to hard so he really went through a big change the first album he went and learned how to properly scream and use compression was on all hope is gone but I love you breaking down early Corey and how to do it safely it's so (sic)
I do! Have you seen my "Left Behind" video?
@@chrisliepe yes I absolutely love it u are so good man
Best channel in the universe. Corey has been a big influence of mine, even though I have more vocal similarities to Chester b. Your breakdowns and your philosophies and the way you connect all these artists and songs and time periods is absolutely priceless. Thank you!
Great video and sharing how you discovered aggressive singing. I love how you discovered a safe way of singing aggressively which doesn't hurt your voice. That's amazing in itself. Abandon is such a great description.
Thank you so much!
I respect how humble you are sir 🙌🏼👏🏼🖖 This took serious courage to do. Thank you so much for having the gumption to make this video.
Best vocal channel ever and its not even close.
I hope to see a Dustin Kensrue (Thrice) video someday!
That is just an amazing explanation! To work with false chords along with pitch is some of the most challenging aesthetic I`ve ever tried to. It is really counter intuitive in the perspective of the listener. Besides other epiglotic drives (names like Dio, Jeff Scott Soto, David Coverdale) this needs a huge amount of air flowing through you body to understand how the whole thing works. And vulnerability is a great word to make this approach, let the air flow, don't hold it back.
This is an excellent quick summary of the psychological foundation of screaming. I came to the same conclusion myself through trial and error as the singer of a touring screamo band - my first few shows blew out my voice and I even got tonsillitis on my first international tour because I was pushing way too hard, but in time I figured out that less tension and more emotion (almost like vocal "floppiness") massively improved my stamina and the consistency of my voice.
It's really interesting hearing your summary in this video because I hadn't actually thought about this in those terms before, but your description really fits with my own experiences!
this literally validates the way i essentially subconsciously developed my scream vocals around. amazing video again chris!
Your way of achieving these sounds is so intuitive and yet so difficult to find out without the right mindset.
Your work is really life changing and it never ceases to amaze me how brilliant you are as a teacher and also as a student… you can really use your ears and your body to discover new sounds and that completely changed my way of understanding harsh vocals!
Keep up the good work, and thank you for all the knowledge! You made me and many others much better singers!
Take care!
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This video helped me an insane amount. The way you explain these vocal techniques is so in depth yet so simple to understand and implement in practice.
Hi Chris, can you explore more on this topic, with more examples on your and other artists' vocals? I've noticed this not only in screams and aggressive vocals, but normal melodic singing as well. I'd like to hear more on this, both on the soft and the aggressive side.
Corey Taylor's vocal parts from self titled album and vol 3 are the hardest (imho), cus of hard splitted high notes. I mean he literally tearing his vocal cords apart on those albums.
Iowa is too fucked up to even discuss
This is great. Earlier on I always thought you were a good vocalist, but you'd talk about how to sound like corey but I always thought you still didn't have what he does, so I was unsure. This was a GREAT explanation, and you harsh vocals sound so much better than I last came around your channel. I'll have to try some if this stuff soon.
Its a shame you can only like videos once, this was awesome!! I'm new to the channel (subscribed) and I am loving your stuff Chris, thank you.
This is pretty great! This is my similar experience : Just yesterday I wasn't very well, I was crying because something happened to me. So to feel good I played the Iowa album. 2nd track, People = Shit hits, and try to sing along, at first I sounded like how normal people talk when crying but after a few lines, I was feeling a bit good, but the feeling of sadness was still there, that's when I tried doing Iowa scream, and it sounded sick! Just like him, and this time, I completed the whole song, and went on to sing a few more. This has never happened, I've always tried doing these vocals and after a few verses, my vocals turn shit, but whenever I do that with emotion, it feels great and I can do it for longer periods. Sadly yesterday, I had to stop because people hate metal around me 💀
Really awesome to see the connection between what you've been talking about for screaming -- exploiting the vocal break -- and Darren from SoaD's scream
In my 3 year journey of exploring my screaming technique approach and methods I can now state with total confidence that NOONE has ever dived that deep in feeling , placement and mood while also trying to simplify and break it all down scientifically for us like Chris does. It's just incredible. Huge thanks for what you are man, a true inspiration.
The only vocal coach I know so far, who clears Up, that aggressive vocals don't need to damage your voice when the've been done properly.
Absolutely spot on. I've actually come to notice that the day following a show I'm emotionally drained. I'm burnt out. I'm not an overly emotional guy. During a show though I'm on the brink of tears and feel torn open for all to see.
Great advice, lesson and way of thinking. You litterally turn it upside down. Thank you dear Chris🙏🎙
Vulnerability and authenticity is what makes an artist great
This is something I always loved of Slipknot is... the desperation, and the fact that Corey feels lost in the emotions of his songs, with the music being intensely melodic in a way, even if it's agressive. I love metal but I'm somewhat picky when listening to some vocalists. But Corey... Corey has always had a special place in my heart. I don't think I have the right technical knowledge to describe how this makes me feel. But it's strangely soothing to me, weirdly enough.
This is a very unique approach! I'm definitely gonna give it a try
As always on point and from a unique angle of analysis 🙏 big fan and apprentice of your channel🤘
Much appreciated!
please chris we need a vocal analysis about Vermilion Pt. 1
I like this approach to screaming from a mental aspect. Instead of trying to explain what’s happening technically inside the throat, you explain how to use your voice with emotion which makes things so clear for beginners. When someone says “relax your voice when you scream” that can be very confusing. I love your explanation dude, a very different approach.
Emotion is what must come thru the voice and, more importantly, the body when screaming 😱 I’ve found what really works is getting into the headspace before a session. Practice a bit of fry and slowly work your way up. But this channel and Melissa cross taught me that it’s not LOUDNESS or a SOUND we’re going for. Rather, it’s a feeling!
I think a great example of this more emotional based approach if you'd care to dive into would be Beartooth. I'd love to hear you dissect his sound
DGD is an amazing live band!
Coldraín from Japan also has amazing clean AND dirty vocals.
LOVE Jon Mess
vulnerability....litterally is 100% effective
It's definitely a perspective thing. I find it to be useful to try to understand why someone would write the songs they do. Listen to the message. A lot of music comes from pain. Pain can become anger, but it doesn't start there. If I think of a gut wrenching memory, my ability to sing songs like Corey's and others you mentioned becomes infinitely more attainable. I still have a very long road to sing well or to a level I think could be marketable. But karaoke nights? Fugggitaboutit 🤣
Metal vocals are just magical, because the more you put "hurted" emotions in them they become more powerful
It's crazy how looked back his vocals are on Iowa as being the most aggressive and I distinctly remember when I was 10 first hearing the album feeling like they were less so than Self-titled. In retrospect it might be that Iowa had more 'growl' to his screams. You have a great voice btw.
The first time i ever got i to screaming was from the Bloodbath album, Nightmares Made Flesh. The way Peter Tägtgren switched from super low growl to a shriek in a second was amazing and at the time i had never heard someone do that so casually and his tone still is amazing and he can do that live at age of 52 with Hypocrisy. The thing is i heard that album before i got into Slipknot and Corey's screaming didn't really seem that impressive to me at the time, still the other day i was at a Slipknot concert and Corey did impress me, he sounded better on some of the studio versions when screaming.
Just discovered this channel. Great content! Love the multi track videos!
I took lessons for metal screaming and that distorted vocal sound, as I learned it, is called Fry Screaming. It's ultimately about learning to control your vocal cords by squeezing them together to create that fry scream sound. That happens naturally when pouring a lot of energy into singing. If you can learn how to do it correctly you'll be able to control the distortion to the point you can even practice it softly. If done right, it's also very safe and not very hard on your vocal cords.
The biggest mystery for me regarding Corey’s original scream is his stamina. I can do the Iowa scream(and yes, lose my voice and sometimes taste blood), but I can only belt out a couple of words at a time before I lose steam. I don’t know HOW IN THE WORLD he was able to do entire sentences, for entire songs, for entire shows without running out of oxygen 😂
I heard, he indeed did run out of oxygen
Love your videos, man! Been very helpful to me. Quick note - check out this band called Fair To Midland. Their vocalist also does some cool things. Also, it'd be cool to see you take a look at Anthony Green from Circa Survive!
3:05 this is my psychiatrist at my fifth consecutive appointment dealing with the same problem.
Great advice man!
Ooh this is an interesting mindset, great idea and thanks for putting it out here in the world. Gotta go back and listen to early Slipknot now too 🤘
I've been doing hardcore vocals for about 12 years now for fun. Originally I started with false chords, and frankly I wasn't very good at it. I tried to learn fry screaming after a few years and failed. But in the process I discovered a vocal technique that I've been using for 10 years that I can only describe as a "false cord fry". It is neither a traditional vocal fry scream, nor a traditional false cord scream. And doing either won't get you there.
Based on listening for consistency across singers various works, I've deemed that at least 4 vocalists use this same vocal technique: Spencer Sotelo from Periphery (he uses regular false cords too in some places), Kellin Quinn from Sleeping with Sirens (least confident on this one) , Diego Farias from Volumes, and...you guessed it, Corey Taylor from Slipknot.
I'm surprised so many years later that there is very little awareness over this vocal technique, yet I am confident it is distinct and separate from either vocal fry or false cord techniques. This is also why people have such a difficult time replicating Corey Taylor's screams. Thinking about making a video about it soon.
reading the lyrics of the first two albums also shows the desperation
We need a wait and bleed cover plssssss omg
Very cool insight. Much enjoyed!
thanks for sharing
Awesome video Chris thanks
its like a movie trailer
😅
I can't believe you did slipknot and System of a Down in the same video! Any chance of a vocal analysis of B.Y.O.B? I'd also love to see a breakdown of Billy Talent.
Corey was in a dark place and created beauty from that
Absolutely brilliant brother!!! Fantastic explanation!!🤘🤘🔥🔥
this is the best screaming tutorial
Huge advice! Great video!
My screams are all of a sudden 100 times better after this not even joking. Thanks man :)
Can you do a video explaining Bert Mccracken's vocal technique from the song "Box full of sharp objects"? I'd be very happy ✌
Just had this moment today as you explain at the start. My throat hurts haha
You should do a video on Heilung ,i know you touched on throat singing ,but this is a new level of like tribal sounds
Great video Chris. You cover a lot of good stuff. Technique is important but early Corey just yelled. The vocals were super raw, he was shredding his voice up and chino did the same thing early on but they developed a safe way to scream. I’m still trying to figure it out.
Yeah but now Chino sounds like a strangled cat after that vocal blowout he had like 20 years ago. When I was first getting into deftones, his screams after white pony completely turned me off of any heavier song after that album, but now I’ve learned to embrace the sound and I actually kind of prefer it over the original one because of how different it is. If it wasn’t for him I wouldn’t have been opened up to enjoying the sound of screams that sound a bit more non-conventional
@@junkyardwillie8320 I love all of chinos vocals his screams on SNW are some of my favorite
@@slimmbojimmbo2762 definitely, diamond eyes screams are great as well. I saw them live for the first time in April, his opening shriek in Genesis was absolutely nuts
I figured out how to get a sound very similar to those first two Slipknot/self-titled Stone Sour album sound, only without hurting my throat. Make no mistake, Corey was doing his vocals wrong for those first few albums and tours, and was absolutely damaging his voice. It involves doing exactly what Chris describes. You have to basically get a crossover thrash/hardcore shout like Throwdown, 100 Demons, Bleeding Through, etc. Then you have to pull back a bit, and let your voice crack, then lean into that. It took me years to get the sound right and not hurt myself. That shout for shorter sounds and then the voice crack trick for longer screams/anything you want to accentuate will put you in the ballpark 80% of the time, and closer to Spencer Sotelo the other 20%
One of my biggest goals in singing is to be able to sing like Corey on the first Slipknot album, especially (sic). There are excellent covers of the song here on RUclips so I know there has to be a technique to it.
Jeez. I guess, that's why SOAD and Slipknot are my favourite bands😂
Great video, would you ever do a danzig era misfits video? Would be great to see you analyse his style!
Danzig technique to my ear is mostly belting with low larynx, but it's tough if you're not comfortable with belting high notes. (I'm thinking of a title like "mother" for instance)
3:06 mom when i forgot to take chicken outta freezer
It's funny because when I was a kid, the way "The Blues" was described to me is the same as how metal vocals seem to be achieved.
There's nothing cool about having the blues when you're in the middle of it, but the music that comes from it seems to attract a lot of buzz about how emotion is supposed to be expressed in music
As someone who grew up in an absolutely horrible place, I've always been fascinated by all the people who just can't seem to "get it". I sing regularly in my local Karaoke scene here in Orange County, California in a wide range of styles, and this one seems to baffle people the most.
You can sit in your studio and meticulously craft yourself a carbon copy of what others have created for themselves through pain, and hopelessness, to the point that you're almost mocking it, but ultimately, the missing ingredient is a lack of personal experiences.
You'll find that some people are good at screaming because their families screamed at each other their whole childhood. Others because there was an overpass they would go to to let it all out. Some people have spent so many hours crying that those emotions are impossible to forget. There's no "tapping into it". It's their reality.
Have you ever listened to The Virginmarys? He has a very "wet" distorted sound, and I think it resonates with this video, where you need to actually _let go_ in order achieve that.
Would love a video on them! "Walk In My Shoes" is a good example
You sound like you discovered method acting. When I did an Avenged Sevenfold song, the method acting kicked in. I screamed and after it "my voice is fine... it's fine..." and I was surprised.
Absolutely that's what this is!
To add merit to what you’re saying, the title track on Iowa has an anecdote about the song. Their producer at the time, Ross, made Corey strip down naked and lay out the vocal tracks in the middle of a room. Just, the insanity of it and the added vulnerability makes Slipknot the secret sauce they are
wow... ya, just incredible what they went through to capture what they did, and MAN did it pay off!
Gold, straight gold!
May I recommend looking up Nightlife and Clear the air by the band Off with their heads.
Ryan Young is in my opinion a master leaning into vulnerability.
Another recommendation is Lines by Epic Problem and if you check them out also check the song Blindside.
Those singers manage to harness emotion to evoke emotion.
I noticed that scream was over controlled, this sounds way better.
:)
I started listening, really listening, to Periphery again. Sotelo is such a beast..🤘
I agree with your observations.
I also notice this "vulnerability" you are talking about on some of chris cornell's live screams
Corey Taylor is my man crush. absolutely adore his voice, cleaner more than roaring, but he's a God either way.
question - how does Corey know how to do what he does, especially earlier on in his career
It sounds like Zed from the movie Police academy
Appreciate you Chris!
I appreciate you watching and supporting the channel with your views and comments!!
Reminds me of At the drive in and Refused.
Can we have a longer vid of this to have more depth??
tbf corey has a very unique technique
Biceps make fryscreams
haha! Yes
Just amazing perspective, Chris! (Comm for the algorithm, duh!) 😂
thank you!
I desperately need the aggressive edge in my voice. A couple people have said my singing voice reminds them of corey (amazing compliment, even if I don’t buy it) but I just can’t get heavy enough
This is great when I try to scream like Corey I am pushing it too hard. And then while watching your video I tried what you are saying I don’t feel pressure on it.
Real anger affects raw powerful scream as well. Growing up with ups and downs in music industry, thats how metal singer express their feelings, thru songs and raw screams. Same like corey. Now these guys are sober, living happy lives, there is no point to scream & be angry anymore. Haha. Hence we get the new corey. Same like Jonathan Davis, he said in interview, he is happy now. Thats why not much scream, gibberish from him. Korn's recent vocals from him also just normal, no WOW effect like during drunk days. Lol...
Pretty interesting stuff.
I’ve found I’ve quite difficult to replicate, and this is honestly some really smart thinking about it
Thank you so much Jonathan!
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Corey admitted he pushed his voice till it hurt.
Totally! He had to discover the sustainable way as we ALL do!
Id love to be able do some of that Slipknot-esk shout/scram vocal stuff but Im far too shy to let it ripp!
Chris singing "spleen" by Staind just made my week.
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Could you someday make an analysis of Slipknot - Nero Forte. For some reason Corey's screams in Nero Forte sound unique? Neither like fully Iowa screams (yelling with distortion) nor false cord screaming. Not entirely fry screams either. Rather like a combination of techniques? Hybrid screams?
I have a handful of videos with analysis of Corey's screams and vocal techniques. Just search my page and i'm sure they will help you! Keep up the good work!
For the Iowa vocals im pretty sure he was drunk and throwing up before many of his performances. I think the stomach acid + dry alcohol vocal cords X the desperate approach really gave the intensity.
Cool deal! Still waiting for you to hit Warrel Dane.
Please do Billy Corgan / Smashing Pumpkins. 🎃 Please, please, please! 🙏
As much as I Love this method. And appreciate Chris passion, I think for *fry* type screams it lacks the smoothness and less cracky sound. Maybe adding another layer of screaming to this method would be the way. debating needed
please please please do an episode on death grips thank you for giving us this amazing content