I never fell into the delusion. I remember thinking everyone around me has gone crazy. Nothing made sense to me from the beginning. Getting yelled at for not wearing a mask outside was wild!
I was the only person in my circle who was never scared. Mildly concerned right at first? Of course, for about a month, but never afraid, never feeling a need to do the "rituals." Over these last three years I've wondered many times why I wasn't fearful, since I have normal health concerns. For example, the possibility of getting cancer, of having a heart attack, etc., worries me. But this virus just never set off any hard wired, primal reactions in me. Why? I would be interested in seeing an interview with someone who can explain the minority of us who were calm during the pandemic.
When we saw that the virus had the symptoms of flu, the mortality of flu, been treaten at home whit flu treatments, and been cured after one or two weeks like the flu, we just can stay calm, its natural. Other people start being anxious about the virus, but it was not authentical emotion, it was induced. But how keep staying calm whit the other situation, when the world around in just one month turns an asylum???? Logic and true was violated, like the the other person on the comment says!!! All spaces, shops, markets, jobs, hospitals, streets, cities, all parts of public spaces and neighbours, turns madness suddenly, how keep calm whit this life experience???
I live in a red state where there were not a lot of protections from covid. I don't know if other states with more stringent measures experienced this, but during the height of the pandemic my mom had to go to the ER for a kidney disorder that was not covid related. The hospital was so swamped with covid cases (and so was every other hospital in the area) that she had to spend the night in a hallway when she was severely ill (she died a few months later). In the case of a pandemic one person's actions has drastic impacts on others. A liberal perspective is that people who chose to socialize created a situation where hospitals were swamped and overrun so someone who was already ill and quarantining SUFFERED as a result because she could not access the healthcare she deserved when she needed it. Yes, there was a lot of suffering during the pandemic. We all suffered. And I think it's sheer hubris to make the claim that you know that not quarantining would have resulted in less suffering when the final tallies from the pandemic have not been tallied yet. What are the long terms costs of burn out for ER doctors and nurses? How about the long terms costs of medical professionals leaving the field? The long terms costs of long covid? As the parent of two autistic kids (both diagnosed before the pandemic) we quarantined and they are both thriving now and catching up and they can do that because they are alive and healthy. A lot of the problems fueling social anxiety in young children were present before the pandemic, which poured gasoline on it, yes, but people who are alive can still overcome. It's possible we may be better off as a society if we'd done nothing, but we don't know that and Dr. McDonald did not make a good case there. I think it is important to gather and look through the evidence to see what was and what was not effective and where the risks were worth the benefits and where they weren't and to have realistic expectations that this was a horrible situation without a perfect solution and to show some grace to people who disagreed about the best way to handle it. Further, as someone with an interest in history, heavy handed quarantines are not a new response. Currently reading about polio at the beginning of the 20th century and they had lockdowns and would bar people from entering towns which were experiencing outbreaks and bar people from leaving those towns. Rational discussion is desperately needed, but a rational discussion of the evidence is not going to happen if someone is fear mongering and using all or nothing statements along the lines of every liberal is bad and showing the lack of nuance that Dr. McDonald did. It's wrong when liberals demonize the opposing side and make bad faith arguments and it's wrong when conservatives do it. As a therapist myself these cognitive distortions jumped out at me alarmingly. And ironically he engaged in a great deal of fear mongering himself, such as his claim that because of transgenderism the human race could go extinct. While too many kids are getting caught up in this dangerous idea, it's unlikely that more than 15% of the teen population is going down this path. Once again, even 1% of the teenage population is too much, but it's hardly enough to cause an extinction level event. I do agree people need to face anxiety rather than hide from it and that safetyism has gone too far. Even then there has been progress with more states passing Let Them Grow Act, which protects parents from legal trouble if they let their kids walk to school or stay home alone, and the encouraging things is that these laws have BIPARTISAN support. One of the things that has attracted me to Gender Critical views is an acknowledge that people can disagree respectfully. This felt like a departure from that.
A great comment. A bit more nuance would have been good. Early on some big measures made some sense. No point in going back and second guessing all the earliest decisions. There were absolutely insane measures mixed in with reasonable ones. harping on the insane ones like people being arrested for doing stuff outside on their own doesn't mean everyone wearing a mask lost their minds.
He also makes the claim that "We are literally teaching children to sing prayers and give praise to Aztec and Incan gods....This is happening in public schools right now, in the United States. Children are being asked to pray to Incan and Mayan gods, who sacrificed children and split (sic) their blood on altars to appease the nature gods of rain and sun." Stephanie then , thankfully, pushes back a tiny bit and asks him for some examples, and he just says "You can Google it."
At the very least, there must be consequences for those parties who actively deceived the public regarding the pandemic and lockdowns. There are many of us with a boiling anger just under the surface and time will not heal that. That anger will be expressed in a very unpleasant fashion when they look to deploy their next operation. The likelihood of that next operation is directly tied to whether or not we get any resolution to the first one.
Over 1 million people dead in this country from covid is not a delusion. I never got it but was snt paranoid about it. Grandchildren in my family have suffered greatly though. I lost extended family members to Trump crap and fear of covid.
There are NOT a million people who died FROM COVID. People who were at the hospital with a broken arm or from a car accident were "tested" (with a faulty test). If someone died "WITH" COVID, they were counted as a COVID death, per the CDC. The average age of a person who died "FROM" COVID is like 81. That is higher than life expectancy in the US!
@@kimdavid4406its some kind of disconection on the brain, like when we explain something like "rain fall because gravity, clouds are water in particules and fall" and the persons has no conceptual ways to see wath you are explain , so you can tell the same 10 times, and doenst work. Whit covid very very low mortality its the same. Dont know way this disability just in 2020. Something weird happen😟
Only 22 mins in, interesting chat. I'm in Australia, we had long lock downs. I actually didn't mind, am home most of the time anyway with chronic illness so for the first time in forever most everyone else was home too. For first time in 20 years I was able to let the 24/7 low hum in the back of my mind go. It tells me that my illness and inability to contribute for money means I'm a loser/scumbag. Different strokes hey.
This take disappointed me. While I agree there are problems with our Covid response, there were plenty of valid reasons to be fearful especially at the beginning. As a nurse working in the hospital throughout COVID I assure you it was not the same as the flu. That is an ignorant thing to say.
The facts are though that the very old, the obese, and people with severe pre-existing conditions were almost all of the people who became severely ill with Covid. His “take” of how we sequestered everyone for the sake of a tiny minority of the population is still true.
You’re wrong. There were many publicly available pandemic preparedness guides/plans that were around before COVID and not a single one recommended lockdowns or prolonged school closures. In fact there were two pandemics in 1957 and 1968 that killed a similar proportion of the population to COVID and nobody thought or thinks that we should have responded more harshly to them.
Your response is the same sorry excuse that Iraq/Afghan War advocates use. Rather than admit that you were wrong and that the people who criticized the response at the time were right, you pretend that the criticism never existed and that your view was the reasonable one all along. It’s cowardly
I never fell into the delusion. I remember thinking everyone around me has gone crazy. Nothing made sense to me from the beginning. Getting yelled at for not wearing a mask outside was wild!
Excellent conversation!!! Loved this guest!! ❤
I was the only person in my circle who was never scared. Mildly concerned right at first? Of course, for about a month, but never afraid, never feeling a need to do the "rituals."
Over these last three years I've wondered many times why I wasn't fearful, since I have normal health concerns. For example, the possibility of getting cancer, of having a heart attack, etc., worries me. But this virus just never set off any hard wired, primal reactions in me. Why?
I would be interested in seeing an interview with someone who can explain the minority of us who were calm during the pandemic.
I had only a period of 3 hours of deep fear. Otherwise, calm. Then, Anger and rage when truth and logic got violated.
Right??!!
When we saw that the virus had the symptoms of flu, the mortality of flu, been treaten at home whit flu treatments, and been cured after one or two weeks like the flu, we just can stay calm, its natural.
Other people start being anxious about the virus, but it was not authentical emotion, it was induced.
But how keep staying calm whit the other situation, when the world around in just one month turns an asylum???? Logic and true was violated, like the the other person on the comment says!!!
All spaces, shops, markets, jobs, hospitals, streets, cities, all parts of public spaces and neighbours, turns madness suddenly, how keep calm whit this life experience???
The worship of safety. BINGO! hit the nail on the head
I live in a red state where there were not a lot of protections from covid. I don't know if other states with more stringent measures experienced this, but during the height of the pandemic my mom had to go to the ER for a kidney disorder that was not covid related. The hospital was so swamped with covid cases (and so was every other hospital in the area) that she had to spend the night in a hallway when she was severely ill (she died a few months later). In the case of a pandemic one person's actions has drastic impacts on others. A liberal perspective is that people who chose to socialize created a situation where hospitals were swamped and overrun so someone who was already ill and quarantining SUFFERED as a result because she could not access the healthcare she deserved when she needed it.
Yes, there was a lot of suffering during the pandemic. We all suffered. And I think it's sheer hubris to make the claim that you know that not quarantining would have resulted in less suffering when the final tallies from the pandemic have not been tallied yet. What are the long terms costs of burn out for ER doctors and nurses? How about the long terms costs of medical professionals leaving the field? The long terms costs of long covid? As the parent of two autistic kids (both diagnosed before the pandemic) we quarantined and they are both thriving now and catching up and they can do that because they are alive and healthy. A lot of the problems fueling social anxiety in young children were present before the pandemic, which poured gasoline on it, yes, but people who are alive can still overcome. It's possible we may be better off as a society if we'd done nothing, but we don't know that and Dr. McDonald did not make a good case there. I think it is important to gather and look through the evidence to see what was and what was not effective and where the risks were worth the benefits and where they weren't and to have realistic expectations that this was a horrible situation without a perfect solution and to show some grace to people who disagreed about the best way to handle it.
Further, as someone with an interest in history, heavy handed quarantines are not a new response. Currently reading about polio at the beginning of the 20th century and they had lockdowns and would bar people from entering towns which were experiencing outbreaks and bar people from leaving those towns.
Rational discussion is desperately needed, but a rational discussion of the evidence is not going to happen if someone is fear mongering and using all or nothing statements along the lines of every liberal is bad and showing the lack of nuance that Dr. McDonald did. It's wrong when liberals demonize the opposing side and make bad faith arguments and it's wrong when conservatives do it. As a therapist myself these cognitive distortions jumped out at me alarmingly. And ironically he engaged in a great deal of fear mongering himself, such as his claim that because of transgenderism the human race could go extinct. While too many kids are getting caught up in this dangerous idea, it's unlikely that more than 15% of the teen population is going down this path. Once again, even 1% of the teenage population is too much, but it's hardly enough to cause an extinction level event.
I do agree people need to face anxiety rather than hide from it and that safetyism has gone too far. Even then there has been progress with more states passing Let Them Grow Act, which protects parents from legal trouble if they let their kids walk to school or stay home alone, and the encouraging things is that these laws have BIPARTISAN support.
One of the things that has attracted me to Gender Critical views is an acknowledge that people can disagree respectfully. This felt like a departure from that.
A great comment. A bit more nuance would have been good. Early on some big measures made some sense. No point in going back and second guessing all the earliest decisions. There were absolutely insane measures mixed in with reasonable ones. harping on the insane ones like people being arrested for doing stuff outside on their own doesn't mean everyone wearing a mask lost their minds.
I agree with EVERTHING here.
"Mass delusional psychosis" explains a lot of the social and political dynamics .
He also makes the claim that "We are literally teaching children to sing prayers and give praise to Aztec and Incan gods....This is happening in public schools right now, in the United States. Children are being asked to pray to Incan and Mayan gods, who sacrificed children and split (sic) their blood on altars to appease the nature gods of rain and sun." Stephanie then , thankfully, pushes back a tiny bit and asks him for some examples, and he just says "You can Google it."
So did you Google it? What he's saying is true.
@@kimdavid4406 I did and did not find anything like what he described anywhere.
At the very least, there must be consequences for those parties who actively deceived the public regarding the pandemic and lockdowns. There are many of us with a boiling anger just under the surface and time will not heal that. That anger will be expressed in a very unpleasant fashion when they look to deploy their next operation. The likelihood of that next operation is directly tied to whether or not we get any resolution to the first one.
Hi. I’m open for an interview.
Over 1 million people dead in this country from covid is not a delusion. I never got it but was snt paranoid about it. Grandchildren in my family have suffered greatly though. I lost extended family members to Trump crap and fear of covid.
There are NOT a million people who died FROM COVID. People who were at the hospital with a broken arm or from a car accident were "tested" (with a faulty test). If someone died "WITH" COVID, they were counted as a COVID death, per the CDC.
The average age of a person who died "FROM" COVID is like 81. That is higher than life expectancy in the US!
@@kimdavid4406 its a mystery why people who believe covid killed millions seems unable to listen what you just said. Its part of the mystery.
@@kimdavid4406its some kind of disconection on the brain, like when we explain something like "rain fall because gravity, clouds are water in particules and fall" and the persons has no conceptual ways to see wath you are explain , so you can tell the same 10 times, and doenst work.
Whit covid very very low mortality its the same.
Dont know way this disability just in 2020. Something weird happen😟
Only 22 mins in, interesting chat.
I'm in Australia, we had long lock downs.
I actually didn't mind, am home most of the time anyway with chronic illness so for the first time in forever most everyone else was home too.
For first time in 20 years I was able to let the 24/7 low hum in the back of my mind go. It tells me that my illness and inability to contribute for money means I'm a loser/scumbag.
Different strokes hey.
This take disappointed me. While I agree there are problems with our Covid response, there were plenty of valid reasons to be fearful especially at the beginning. As a nurse working in the hospital throughout COVID I assure you it was not the same as the flu. That is an ignorant thing to say.
The facts are though that the very old, the obese, and people with severe pre-existing conditions were almost all of the people who became severely ill with Covid. His “take” of how we sequestered everyone for the sake of a tiny minority of the population is still true.
I agree with you. As a nurse, I take illnesses seriously. While some of these concerns are valid, how widespread they are is debatable.
You’re wrong. There were many publicly available pandemic preparedness guides/plans that were around before COVID and not a single one recommended lockdowns or prolonged school closures. In fact there were two pandemics in 1957 and 1968 that killed a similar proportion of the population to COVID and nobody thought or thinks that we should have responded more harshly to them.
Your response is the same sorry excuse that Iraq/Afghan War advocates use. Rather than admit that you were wrong and that the people who criticized the response at the time were right, you pretend that the criticism never existed and that your view was the reasonable one all along. It’s cowardly
Define the period you would consider "the beginning".
I had enough information by July 2020 to know that the fears weren't justified.
A lot of info that I agree with, though this guy seems a bit unhinged. Comparing Fauchi to Geobbels was a bit much.
You must not know much about Fauci then. Read up on his history.
THe west might be gone due to lack of procreation but other countries and cultures will thrive.
For someone so critical of our culture for being so fear-based, he sure does do a lot of fear-mongering of his own. Project much?
some other masculine traits: Discipline, duty, foregoing gratification, vigilance, sacrifice, protecting, enforcing limitations and consequences.
All traits that can be very masculine or feminine or both depending on the particular context that you value those traits.