I wish more bass type singers got more exposure especially in pop music so I could have artists to relate to vocally because 75% of pop music is pretty high, so most of the time I have to sing an octave lower but it's not always as fun.
I sing an octave lower basically all the time and I'm a Baritone. Yeah things, in general, are pretty high, even the ones on my range, I don't feel comfortable to sing on the edge of my chest voice all the time and the easiest thing to do is to drop an octave so I feel you. It's a problem of the community, when you're on TikTok and you see that 1st Soprano doing "The Ariana Grande's C6 belting" we can end up thinking that's what music is all about but the thrill of a Bass' high note is just as amazing as you feel with a Soprano's high note, they're just seen in different ways.
*Well, baritone leads are more common in Country than in pop circles.* In 1946, Merle Robert Travis (BMI), originally from Rosewood, KY, USA, wrote up a Song from the debt-saddled coal miner's perspective, with input from family connections, and included it on his Capitol debut album _Folk Songs of the Hills_ as produced by Leland James Gillette (re-released as Capitol Vintage/Universal album 35810): *SIXTEEN TONS / Multiple artists* Pub., American Music Inc., BMI Originally Track 3 on _Folk Songs from the Hills._ Eight years thence, Jack Fascinato produced the best-selling version this Song to date for "Tennessee" Ernest Jennings Ford (Capitol/Universal single 3262). More recently, singer-songwriter Joshua Otis Turner (ASCAP), originally out of Hannah, SC, USA, pens up about half the material for his concerts, starting with a Hot Shot Debut on the 2003 billboard® Hot Country Songs chart: *LONG BLACK TRAIN / JOSH TURNER* (MCA Nashville/Universal album B0000974-02, track 1) Pub., Drivers Ed Music/Sony ATV Tunes LLC, ASCAP
@@BH-iq3ic Do you know your current vocal range? Also, are you more comfortable with belting or are high notes more of your thing, "high notes" being anywhere from A4-A5 or higher?
@@boundary2580 yes kinda agree with that. Voice Classification should be used or labeled to those trained Singers. There are Tenors who can't hit G4 or can but having a difficulty cause they don't posses the proper technique to hit it.
@@boundary2580 i think im that untrained tenor. Cuz my normal voice sounds like a tenor, but my range is baritone. Anything above F4 or G4, my voice thins out so much nd breaks.
@@shriharir6450 we are the same. I am not sure if I am a tenor or baritone because here is a short story of my singing journey. When I was at high school, I kinda developed my lower register. Probably down to F2 because I used to be Bass in the choir. I was added to Bass because I used to have stage fright and I stopped singing if the note is around E4 because I was really shy. As time goes by, they noticed that my voice is changing a bit because I can reach F4 and G4 on a good day and I don't have much knowledge with techniques and stuff.. So they told me that I am Baritone.
The thing that people seem to forget is that the range part of the voice type should be used for trained classical singers. So in order for you to be a bass you cannot just hit the E2, you'd have to be able to sing it completely unamplified to the entire room.
Exactly. Once someone starts using a microphone all bets are off. "Hitting" a note and projecting it are two different things. The real and infallible test is where the voice "breaks." There is the"primo passaggio" and "secundo passaggio" a perfect fourth above. Just looking at the lower men's voices, the chart below can be found in Richard Miller's book: "Securing Baritone, Bass Baritone, and Bass Voices" : Lyric baritone: Primo passaggio B3 - Secondo passaggio E4 Dramatic (Verdi) baritone: Primo passaggio Bflat3 - Secondo passaggio Eflat4 Bass-baritone: Primo passaggio A3 - Secondo passaggio D4 Lyric bass: Primo passaggio Aflat3 - Secondo passaggio Dflat4 Basso profondo: Primo passaggio G3 - Secondo passaggio C4
Love the brutal honesty with the tenor debate. I feel like so many people strive to be a higher voice and unfortuently, not the other way around. Embrace being a baritone/lower voice!
Absolutely! I'm firmly a bass but wanted to be a tenor for years, before I came to realise how f**king awesome being able to sing the lowest notes of them all is. That's something that can't be trained. Now I wish I could be even a couple tones lower if I could, haha
All of them sings very high, it depends of the song or type of belt, the problem with Charlie is that he belts more chesty than the others two it mean more difficult. It's like do Ariana's F5 should be easier and more mixed than Mariah's F5 which is more difficult and Less mixed.
Imma baritone,Mendes is easy,bieber too,not all of his songs,cuz he uses mixed cuz of his issues with not being able to belt.Charlie is definitely abit hard,cuz he uses head voice for most of his songs.Keep in mind,all baritones,its what they choose to use to sing,if you jear Charlie's speaking voice is pretty low and deep.
@@ismaelm.mbaangue9147 Okay my DARLING,you dont understand,im gonna have to put it this way,ever heard of mix,yea,all of em use mix.And im positive you dont know about tenors,Charlie uses head alot and mix too,And Bieber has problems belting,so he uses mix which will sound like tenor voice tone,aight?Now Mendez has a baritone voice.DARLING,you must look at their range in chest voice,not when they use techniques and mix using a lighter tone,if you hear em in chest voice,they cant belt higher that A4,in chest.Where as Tenors....they should be able to belt up to the 5th octave,around C5 as proof they are tenors in chest,keep in mind.Now most tenors have a shallow light tone,and its their natural tone,where as baritones have a deeper tone,some slightly,some much deeper,and all 3 of em (Charlie,Mendez &Bieb)all choose to sing in mixed registers,which if done correctly,will give the impression of a tenor singing.I know DARLING,it confused you,well now i told you,im not gonna LMAO at you,you didnt know,now ive told you. Cheers DARLING,once you understand,you'll be thanking be and agreeing.
I spent most of my teens being classified as a baritone in school choirs due to my generally dark and heavy timbre, but I was moved into the tenor section because I was very adept at hitting that A4 note that commonly occurs in baroque choral arrangements. In college I was reclassified as a low tenor with an extended low and high range, I can get to an F#2 and still project reasonably well, and I am able to belt an E5 without straining, though I rarely had to go that high outside of singing in old school heavy metal bands.
@@markuwho Yeah, my phone typing skills are not the best, A4 is what I meant. I can belt/scream an A5 like the one Phil Anselmo hit at the end of Pantera’s Cemetery Gates, but I wouldn’t blend with the soprano section too well if attempting it during a performance of Handel. lol
I feel like vocal classification is more of a spectrum rather than blocked off sections. For example; I would classify my voice being 50% baritone and 50% second tenor blend. So I can hit a G2 with the weight and resonance of a full 100% baritone singer. My top high chest belts go up to a A4 and have a 100% feel and weight of a second tenor. So I can use a good mix belt to C#5. Then in falsetto my voice starts feeling heavy and shrill at a G5. In this way I can visualize performing singing over 3 octaves comfortably. I practice to sing even lower and higher, but I feel like it will be a few years progress to hit E2’s and flageolet Bb5. Consistently. I have great freedom accepting my limitations to range because it forces me to use various dynamics to add contrast to the song, and make the audience feel like I’m singing higher and lower notes that I’m actually singing!
thanks for your comment - good to know i'm not alone, i too feel 50/50 barry/tenor - and with falsetto can easly sing over 3 octaves. i do have more difficulty though when songs are written for extreme low of baritone or extreme top of tenor range.
@@Papafou i feel like im in a similar boat however im between baritone and bass. with about 3 and a half octaves range with flasetto. my lowest note i can hit most days is a B1 but its breathy. so id say my comfortable range is around D2-F5
Everything about what you said, especially the range, matches so closely with my voice! Mine's underdeveloped though (had maybe one or two years of training, but inconsistent lessons). On a typical day, my chest voice starts weakening at B♭2 and ends at A♭2 (if super relaxed in the morning then an F#2 would be possible for a short period of time). Full chest went to B♭4 for only once or twice (probably can have more stable A4s and B♭4s if I stop getting nervous), I'd say my texture resembles a low tenor. Have NOT "discovered" my mixed voice, so usually I'm slightly afraid of going above F4, which is where I'd crack. Recently my teacher finally started with some mixed voice exercises (after a long time strengthening my chest voice). We seldom practiced falsetto during class but I did mess around with it a lot on my own. Tops out at around G5 when I get really loud with it (can go higher but that would be yelling and I don't like the sound); it seems that I'm bad at a quieter falsetto, since I tend to strain when I go quieter above E♭5 (because I still haven't found my flageolet?). I may have developed some form of twang, because when hearing internally, my falsetto has a loud ringing to it. Especially between A4 to E5. Have tried sucking in air and inconsistently reached the first few notes in the 6th octave, with little to some tension. But I know this wouldn't lead me anywhere so I should work on relaxing my voice enough to sing in flageolet. (There's a certain throat coordination you need to find, and it's a bit tricky.)
With all my respect, you're mixing up way too many incomparable things 1)Vocal ranges you're referring to, are built for a DEVELOPED OPERA VOICE! All those C3-C5, A2-A4, E2-E4 ranges are NOT what typical vocal range for any particular voice type would be cause in order to be able to actually sing in that tessitura properly, someone's voice needs YEARS of training. And also those ranges covers only chest voice with not a hint of a mixed and head voices, not even talking about whistles. All voice types are able to sing WAY beyond those pitches, I'm a high tenor, borderline altino (if using opera terminology), and my lowest everyday note is around F#2/F2 even though I'm more comfortable at G#2 and above 2)You definitely CAN'T classify beginners properly, of course, you can say if someone's voice is RATHER a tenor THAN a baritone but that's all. Instead of putting beginners into boxes, just let them develop their voices in their own tempo, otherwise it's simply harmful and very likely to mistype someone's voice 3)Voice type overall is a complicated topic and the range is the LAST thing you should look at referring to someone's voice type. A guy can simply be unskilled in any particular technical field like belting, low notes, head voice or even whistles, doesn't mean his vocal cords suddenly became thicker or thinner, it just doesn't make any sense. And also there're quite a bit of diseases which can make voice lower, there're cultural traditions which makes men speak lower/higher than they would be comfortable speaking, there're unique cases like abnormally low or unusually high voices etc etc, way too many cases to consider. You can't just answer this question in 8 minutes with 3-sec sample of how someone's voice would typically sound 4)Referring to opera, popular music, Broadway AND Tenor 1/Tenor 2 section in choral positioning in 1 video? Are you even sure you know the actual subject? Unfortunately, dislike, way too many disinformation and very very very vague and unclear explanation with more than dubious examples
I agree 100%. I’m not loving the amount of “voice coaches” on RUclips who are contributing to a lot of the confusion behind singing technique and vocal pedagogy. There are some good ones, but almost never as big and viral as the less accurate ones.
@@imgaybe Jeff Rolka is someone I watch often, but honestly nothing will help you the way that an in-person vocal coach (with a degree in vocal music: important) who can listen to your voice and give you technical guidance.
Thanks, and you might enjoy this. ruclips.net/video/Ka5bDlC9C-w/видео.html (promise this isn't spam - the video is Paul Robeson singing Danny Boy in Eb, so down to C2)
@@RosheenQuynh You're very welcome. :-) If you're keen, you're also welcome to come join our Facebook group "Octavism, Basstronomy, Choral". And of course, the Oktavism channel here on RUclips has tons of great stuff besides that one video I linked.
Hi shoutout to all my fellow tenors bmi singer/songwriter here keep singing perfect pitch and keep making beautiful bright sounds with your higher range us tenors can also sing a few lower notes too y’all stay blessed and keep singing !
Although true tenors must hit C5. Some start off not being able to, and then can Like how some baritones are known to struggle to hit a G4, whilst others can go higher Range doesn’t determine vocal type of course But there different classes of vocal types It’s a whole mind map of sub classes 😅 Like some sopranos can’t hit opera, classic soprano and pop sorpano are both equal but have different appeals I myself am a tenor, but not sure which type I am. I tend to sing in the female octave when in unison because when singing an octave down I struggle to project those lower notes 😅😅 Plus I can belt to B4 and I’m working on that C5, I can hit it.. I just need to sustain it now It’s all progress. 3 years ago I struggled with the B4 but can hit it and can finally sustain it for long periods of time. 😊 And my tone is confusing to some because I have a wide speaking range. So I can sound like a baritone at times or sound like an alto 😅😅 Therefore I’m definitely a tenor, cos I shift my tone to and from and my mid range (tenor) is where I’m most comfortable and I belt my socks off 😂😂 I just love singing 😊 An example of me sounding female when I sing is singing Andante Adante, I sing it in original key and the female octave 😊 Love the video ❤❤🎉🎉
ow. whatever they may teach to you is flawed by *even their voices* reverbing of all the hard, uncovered surfaces... I don't get it. RUclips is full of "voice specialist who can tell you what you are with these simple steps" - and same time elsewhere people recording their voice JUST FOR THE VIDEO have walls covered with absolutely anything to absorb/reduce bounce of sound waves. Which is proven physical fact. Voice teachers: nah, who cares
I’ve identified myself as a bass-baritone, but when I sang in a church choir, I was placed in 2nd bass because I was able to sing lower notes. Also, some said that I’m either a baritone or basso profundo. I could hit an easy, low contra C note.
Not even a single thing was correct in this video. First of all, voice type is determined mainly by tessitura, not timbre. Timbre is affected by vocal tract size and shape, which can be manipulated. Tessitura is mainly determined by vocal fold size. Second of all, there is absolutely no trained bass/baritone/tenor who can't sing below E2/G2/C3 respectively. If they can't, they are either of a higher voice type, or they need to go home ASAP and start training. Third, most untrained tenors will NOT be able to belt a C5 consistently. You need to clarify if you are talking about trained or untrained voices here. Last, why on earth would a tenor sound like he has no upper limit? Everyone has an upper limit...
Correct, but If someone has got a really bright and at times androgynous timbre there's no way he's just a lyric tenor, definitely a very high tenor (high tenors can hit in the 2nd octave, not with a neutral larynx position that is). Tessitura and range often change with training.
For years I thought that the late Paul Robeson was a definitive bass, but it was eventually pointed out to me that the quality of his voice was so exceptional that it is easy to miss the fact that he was mostly in the baritone range.
@@themajestyjoshua yeah i dont think ive heard him since ive only seen snippets but if he can belt that high its mixed belting...its not possible for a male to belt in pure chest that high, even sopranos have to mix belt f5s and lower in the 5th octave with a few who can maybe "pull" chest up that high and even then, there is usually some degree of mixing. For example, Ariana Grande, her belted f5s are all mixed. Mixing is necessary for belting notes that high.
@@deahsarnosse4446 facts i can go to a c5 without mixing because I haven’t found my mixed and the c5 is strain most likely and my b4 and a4 sounds good
The most common baritone aria from opera is probably ‘Largo al factotum’. Best recording is probably with Sesto Bruscantini. The definition of baritone voice is in that aria 😉
I just gotta say: I have similar experiences when trying to classify people on Quora. WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE believe in range being the only thing that determines your voice type. I keep having to say the same thing in every one of those types of questions, as people just blindly believe in that myth. And personally, vocal weight with timbre quality is what determines voice type more than anything else. I really wish people actually knew this.
Didn't think about that. For sure it can be an important factor. (And I'm pretending by the way that this is a genuine question in case you're being sarcastic.)
My vocal coach says im a Bass/Baritone not quite sure what that means but i can belt pretty high to a B for Phil Collins songs. But i am more comfortable with singing Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Jim Reeves, Don Williams and Johnny Cash songs. Would love to become more comfortable with belting high so i can comfortably sing Phil Collins songs.
So I have the following situation: I'm the whole package of what a Baritone is, my range is EXACTLY G2-G4, I have a bit of depth and I feel a lot more comfortable singing on a middle-low area, but, even though I'm sure about me being a Baritone, I still am misidentified as a woman in the cellphone (people always think it's my mom), I have a higher and more bright tone on my speaking voice that always got me doubting if I'm not actually a Tenor without the right technique. My questions are:Is it normal to have a higher speaking voice? Is it wrong? What is the most probable reason for that? I'm a Baritone with a higher tone? I'm a lower Tenor? Am I forcing it? I'M SO LOST
@j4Rose Why shouldn't it, it comes from the same parts of your body, and vocal weight doesn't count in classifying a voice, I may fake my voice by depressing the larynx, making inflections and accentuating bright vowel shapings, or messing with quotients to try adding depth but I'd still remain a tenor.
It is most certainly not wrong. Embrace whatever range you have. There are certainly some baritones who have brighter tone, or some who have richer tone. Timbre certainly does have to do with your voice type, but there is also your tessitura. What notes can you sing comfortably? And which notes are in your passagio (vocal passage) between your chest voice and your head voice. In other words, around which part of your range is your ‘break’? Honestly though, as long as you are comfortable with the part you are assigned, I wouldn’t worry too much about your voice type unless you are planning on going into something like opera. I am a baritone who is described to have a “rich” tone. I can sing E2-E4 but I also have some repertoire pieces that go up to a G4. Doesn’t mean I’m a bass with high notes, doesn’t mean I’m a tenor with low notes. I’m still classified as a baritone because of other facts like my tessitura, passagio, and timbre. Hope this helped!
Brighter tone baritones would be people like Scott Hoying John Legend and Brian Stokes Mitchell. Avery Wilson and Brendon Urie are tenors, their speaking voices have some depth but they are not as warm and naturally resonant as those of the baritones I mentioned.
honestly im probably a 2nd bass. i can't go much lower than what you guys said for bass and i have to slip into my head voice for baritone and tenor but i wish i had access to someone who taught music to confirm my suspicions. good video though.
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This is why the pop voice type system is so confused. Pop music stereotypes voices, with very few exceptions, so that people think that a baritone or tenor should sound like what he demonstrated. There is not a single thing called "tenor" or "baritone", these are just general descriptions. Tom Jones is one of the best ever pop tenors and he sounds much heavier than this guys "baritone" sound. If he sang in opera he would be considered a lyric or spinto tenor, although in pop he might be considered a baritone with a good top. Giacomini is a famous dramatic tenor and he sounds much darker and bigger than this guys' bass voice. There are numerous sub categories within each general voice type and the only real distinction is the ability of the person to successfully perform a type of music in the style expected of that music. So in classical voice the baritone voice he demonstrates would be appropriate in opera to a very light lyric tenor voice, and too light for baritone. But the bass voice he makes would be a "lyric" bass, but also could be a stock standard baritone voice or a "spinto" or "dramatic" tenor voice. What he demonstrates isn't wrong though as he is copying the way he thinks these words sound in pop rep, but that shows that that is not actually a voice type, that is just an aesthetic expectation. Range is another matter and it simply is not true that all successful professional basses can sing a low C and all tenors a high C. A dramatic or helden tenor voice will rarely go above a high A. Lyric basses often cannot sing below an Eb. Many lyric baritones can sing high Cs, some baritones can sing below a low C. Range is really only a secondary consideration and is highly influenced by technique. The biggest tell for where a singer should be training is their natural passagio or break. A stock baritone will break at an E. A stock tenor will break above a G, a stock bass should break at about a B natural or C. Of course that isn't a real test because big tenors may turn on a D and some baritones sing open Fs. But that is the traditional way to start determining a voice type.
You had it all the way until you started talking about breaks. Register breaks can occur anywhere on the scale and are also affected by vowels (open vowels can be carried way higher on the heavy mechanism than closed ones)
For me,when I sang with Mr.Bartione himself J-None on the "Oh,say." I was able to hit those notes but able to hit the notes on the tenor part as well. What does that classify me as?
By the way, websites that say G sharp 2 for Tenors is CORRECT since it's the very very very EXTREME bottom of our range. C3-C5 is the tessiatura range but not our full range
@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 based on my experience and what you are telling me it is possible that you are either a high tenor or your chest voice needs training. If the latter is true then I bet your speaking voice is also relatively quiet.
@@giannis_tar Can confirm. I am a Tenor, and my speaking voice has a median frequency of A#2. I speak between F#2-D#3 most of the time. And, yes E2 is at the very bottom of my range, and my tessitura is from G#2-E4.
When you talk about vocal range, are you strictly referring to chest voice, or are head voice and falsetto included? Also, how do you tell the difference between head voice and falsetto?
Well, I'm a Mezzo but I love baritones cause they are my or Mezzo-sopranos opposite. So I am obsessed 💖 with the voice type.😍💙🧡💚💜🥰. Oh, and love u Terra super mega fan⭐🤯✨🌷🔥
this might actually help me figure out my voice. I’ve been singing since I was 4 and songwriting since I was 11 and have never been able to know what my voice is. I can go veryyy low for a 17 year old and can also go quite high into my head voice, but my falsetto is very weak and sounds pitchy, although it used to be the strongest part of my voice but as I was going through puberty I completely lost it and haven’t been able to build it back all that much. but I can also high some pretty high notes and am decent in belting in certain parts of my voice. so my voice is confusing to me 😅 Note; I know I should because when I do my voice feels fresher and more supported but I don’t really do vocal warm ups all that often... and I am usually drinking coffee in between singing songs. So it’s my own fault my voice gets damaged at times.
It's legit the same for me, heas voice used to be soooo easy for me, but puberty hit harder than a brick and I can barely do it now, but for some reason it's easier for me to hit notes around C6 and past it, since I can go up to a G6 in whistle.
@@KajiVocals yeah I know but my range is just weird. my voice is very soft but can also be very raspy since I have smoked for 5 years (I know it’s terrible. I was 12 it’s prolly why my voice is how it is)
@@jordannow13 I got a singing server if you’re interested in figuring out those things more - discord. gg/xkdzN7zR (just delete the space btween the gg and the dot) But yeah, you’ll be fine. Your voice will eventually fully heal considering you stopped smoking. Also, statistically speaking, you’re probably a tenor.
baritone, i used to have the same problem, my chest voice goes down to C2 most days and A1 being the lowest i've ever got, but the sound of my voice it's to high to be considered bass, that's why i see myself as a baritone with an extended low range, and no, that doesn't mean im a bass baritone haha
I can easily sing bass notes with no effort though I don’t sound like a bass, I can sing baritone easily but I sound like a harsher sounding tenor even though I am not straining. When I sing Ring of Fire I do not sound like I am trying to go low like Johnny Cash. I can’t sing tenor but I can sing just over the 5th octave in my falsetto range.
Great point about timbre of the voice. Thats really the defining characteristic of voice type. Range is not. Plenty of baritones can belt a C5 with proper development of mixed voice and good resonance placement. But, they’re still a bari at the end of the day🤣.
Not sure if you've listened to /analyzed Twinkie Clark or Melanie Daniel's vocals... but I'd be interested in hearing your take on them. Both have a some pretty impressive range/ techniques for sure.
Tara: Vocal classification should technically be first the timbre, the texture of your voice, how beefy or how thin it sounds, right? J. None: Mhm Tara: The confirmation of that classification is really more where you fall in range. Also J. None, completely ignoring timbre, texture, and the qualities one's voice displays: If you can't sing tenor high C, you aren't a tenor.
good evening ms tara simon i hope you will notice me, im a tenor in choir, i can reach A6 cause of the whistle register, my lowest botes are g2, and i can belt up to D5 cause i have a girly voice and my idol is mariah carey and i trained my self to go up anyway my point is am i coute tenor my range is G2 - A6 😊
Tesittura I think it's better for establishing vocal range. E. G. My comfortable range is e2-e4 (full support, no mix voice or head voice), but I feel better in baritone instances (my timber is closer to a bass). Answer? It depends.
Whats youre vocal range passagio and what it sounds like if you sing A4 or C5 will it sounds really light youre Lyric Baritone or Maybe Baritone-Martin if it Sounds Heavy but high and strong youre Dramatic Tenor or Heldentenor
Oof. I'm a man who have always loved to sing but always made people around me run away like there's a black friday sale in the building next door, unable to hit any high notes and sounding really awful. I've felt especially bad about it when I've tried singing in my church where most visitors are females and there's not many men to compare myself to and they sing pretty high. Like many others I thought I'm tone deaf. Through your tutorials and with the help of apps I discovered I'm able to sing comfortably somewhere between G2-F3 or so (my head voice is untrained and weak, but I can hit the E4-F4 range and slightly lower with some effort, though not higher). I'm really disappointed I can only sing so low... but I guess I'll just have to accept my limitations and work with what I've got. Hopefully I can strengthen my head voice with practice. I don't sound too bad as long as I stick to low notes. Thanks for all the tutorials and advice!
I love the bass notes! Kinda jealous of it. It sounds amazing. I can go down till D2/C2 on a very good day but it does not sound even close to what he is doing or an actual bass 😅 But I won the tenor lottery at least. Can go up comfortably to E5 and can hit notes till A5 but well... I would not call that "singing" 😅 My comfortzone is definitely somewhere between D4 and D5. That's where my voice shines. But the bass notes are so cool and they feel the best while singing. Very low notes are so soothing to me either as a listener or as a singer.
Everyone its all about the songwriters and the songs. I guarantee you if more fantastic songs were written with the bass or baritone in mind we'd be on the radio or top 40 lists just as much as the tenors......Remember, Barry White, Lou Rawls...They were everywhere and, today, still on many radio programmers or DJ's lists...True or False?
The whole classification comes from opera and doesn't make much sense if you apply it to pop music vocal technique. In order to really classify your voice type in this way you need to first be able to produce an operatic sound with freedom and full resonance, and then it's the 'tessitura', aka the range in which you're more comfortable singing (with that operatic voice), that really can tell you what's your vocal register. It could very well be that your pop singing voice sounds light and thin and you have easy access to high notes (maybe with a falsetto quality to them) but you would actually be a bass if you learnt to sing with an operatic voice. That's really more frequent than one would think, as it often comes down to the position of your larynx. A high position of the larynx helps you lighten the sound and let you access high notes more easily. If you sing pop songs you're absolutely allowed to do anything as long as it sounds good, and more often than not a lighter tone is more desirable and wanted by record companies. But if you had to sing opera properly you'd have to prevent your larynx to lift, and then you'd probably find your voice to be much darker than you thought it was. Of course there are cases in which it's not so questionable, for example no one on earth could possibly say Adam Levine's a bass without sounding crazy.
Theres several factors to consider for voice type: 1. Range of quality notes in full voice 2. Primo passagio 3. Secondo passagio 4. Tessitura 5. Timbre and voice EQ
I'm female and I didn't really believe I could actually be a bass, but from what you're saying, it appears that I am. My comfort range is D2 to D4. And if I count correctly that's just note off in both directions from E2 to E4. I easily sing that and I think there's a lot of weight and timbre to my voice. I can also hit the C2 and it won't sound terrible, and go up to G4 if I really push it, but that doesn't come natural to me. I thought I was a baritone, but if I'm gonna trust what you said about the G4, I don't think I qualify lol. Which is totally fine, no offense taken. I do feel proud of my voice. I've always been the most impressed by really deep voices. So if anything I've just wanted to sing lower. But I think with that mindset and being too self critical I didn't even truly hear what I was capable of.
Wait, I think im a tenor but idk. I most definetly cannot sing bass, maybe baritone (my bottom is G2,but anything below C3 hurts). But right now I cant belt above A4. C5 is well within my range ( my range tops at A5, and on good days a C6) and I did just start singing a year ago so maybe I just neeed to learn how to have good breath support, but Idk.
Will you please make another one talking about alto, mezzo and soprano classifications. I would like to find mine. Thank you for this video. God bless you.
ruclips.net/video/1Tkbkjo7ECk/видео.html This video compares each voice type singing certain notes and really allows you to see the voice color in the lower middle to higher range
I swear if one more person tells me I'm a contralto when I struggle to even hit the mid range for that voice class, I'm gonna throw a salt shaker at them! I'm using your video as proof, I'm a low freaking tenor at best. And dang their classical perceptions of male and female voice types, I'll sing as low as I want🤪🙃
The countertenor is often regarded as the highest male voice. Some males can even enter the soprano range. These ranges in the male singing voice might also be regarded as "falsetto", but that's often debated.
In Choir singing, its usually restricted to the basic classifications: Bass, Baritone, Tenor, Alto, Mezzo, Soprano for adults, Treble for children. The various subcategories don't usually play a factor unless it's Solo singing.
I have a wide range for Baritone... I know I can hit Bb3- F5 but this doesn’t include my falsetto and the lower notes I can hit... I still don’t know my exact range! But, I have a wide range/octave.
I see so many comments about not being able to get into the 'rafters' like the girls do or even the Tenors. SO whadya do? You sing the next harmony down. Not the whole octave but just a third. And that's how you learn to show off your resonance, and without straining, stay well within your range. I saw an interview with 'Tenor' Russell Watson once and he said that he was only a tenor after about 5 pm, he spent the day warming into it because he's a baritone naturally.
Listen LISSSTEENNN LINDA!!!! I can hit a C5 if i wanted to i just need a good nights rest, no soda for a week, stay hydrated, stop screaming in the house and none of those things are in the cards for me right now lmao stop attacking me i'll stay at my G4 and be happy right now.
Just downloaded a chart from a vocal coach and it says here that baritone is E2-A4, not G2-G4. How is it possible that people disagree on this? And which is it?
I wish more bass type singers got more exposure especially in pop music so I could have artists to relate to vocally because 75% of pop music is pretty high, so most of the time I have to sing an octave lower but it's not always as fun.
I sing an octave lower basically all the time and I'm a Baritone. Yeah things, in general, are pretty high, even the ones on my range, I don't feel comfortable to sing on the edge of my chest voice all the time and the easiest thing to do is to drop an octave so I feel you. It's a problem of the community, when you're on TikTok and you see that 1st Soprano doing "The Ariana Grande's C6 belting" we can end up thinking that's what music is all about but the thrill of a Bass' high note is just as amazing as you feel with a Soprano's high note, they're just seen in different ways.
I'm the same way. I've been a baritone bass since the 8th grade and it was always hard to sing along with some songs.
I’ve never related to a comment more
*Well, baritone leads are more common in Country than in pop circles.* In 1946, Merle Robert Travis (BMI), originally from Rosewood, KY, USA, wrote up a Song from the debt-saddled coal miner's perspective, with input from family connections, and included it on his Capitol debut album _Folk Songs of the Hills_ as produced by Leland James Gillette (re-released as Capitol Vintage/Universal album 35810):
*SIXTEEN TONS / Multiple artists*
Pub., American Music Inc., BMI
Originally Track 3 on _Folk Songs from the Hills._ Eight years thence, Jack Fascinato produced the best-selling version this Song to date for "Tennessee" Ernest Jennings Ford (Capitol/Universal single 3262).
More recently, singer-songwriter Joshua Otis Turner (ASCAP), originally out of Hannah, SC, USA, pens up about half the material for his concerts, starting with a Hot Shot Debut on the 2003 billboard® Hot Country Songs chart:
*LONG BLACK TRAIN / JOSH TURNER* (MCA Nashville/Universal album B0000974-02, track 1)
Pub., Drivers Ed Music/Sony ATV Tunes LLC, ASCAP
oh yeah... they love the rafters!
thank gawd for Tim, Avi, and Geoff😎
Shout out to the baritones!!!!!!!! that's my comfy chair land LOL
Hey'o~
@Brian A we all are 😅🥲
I am a baritone as well
@@jordancrenshaw409 )9pp0o
Wassup fellow Bari's
So...YOU KNOW we now need an Alto, Mezzo Soprano and Soprano video, right?? 👀
Right!
NEED IT! I'm pretty sure I'm an alto but I dunno
I think I'm very much a mezzo, but I also don't know. I just need some help. Will you help Tara.
@@BH-iq3ic Do you know your current vocal range? Also, are you more comfortable with belting or are high notes more of your thing, "high notes" being anywhere from A4-A5 or higher?
And contralto ...
Voice types have nothing to do with hitting a certain note. There are simply underdeveloped tenors who can't hit a C5.
There are tenors who can’t sing that much above a high G. True vocal classification is only really applicable to a developed trained voice.
@@boundary2580 yes kinda agree with that. Voice Classification should be used or labeled to those trained Singers. There are Tenors who can't hit G4 or can but having a difficulty cause they don't posses the proper technique to hit it.
@@NoOne-uc3xe yea, and then those tenors think they are baritones and never reach their full vocal potential.
@@boundary2580 i think im that untrained tenor.
Cuz my normal voice sounds like a tenor, but my range is baritone.
Anything above F4 or G4, my voice thins out so much nd breaks.
@@shriharir6450 we are the same. I am not sure if I am a tenor or baritone because here is a short story of my singing journey. When I was at high school, I kinda developed my lower register. Probably down to F2 because I used to be Bass in the choir. I was added to Bass because I used to have stage fright and I stopped singing if the note is around E4 because I was really shy. As time goes by, they noticed that my voice is changing a bit because I can reach F4 and G4 on a good day and I don't have much knowledge with techniques and stuff.. So they told me that I am Baritone.
2:10 Bass
3:44 Baritone
7:11 Tenor
That was an eventful first 10 seconds:
Yass Tara's run
Is that J None?
Did J None just hit a D2?
he also can do C2)
@@antarezz yep he did one at 3:53
@@Marcell0Bass bro, you're like, everywhere XDD love it
Is he a strong bass? No. Can J. None hit bass notes effectively? Yes, absolutely.
@@Marcell0Bass i know that's why i said🔥
The thing that people seem to forget is that the range part of the voice type should be used for trained classical singers. So in order for you to be a bass you cannot just hit the E2, you'd have to be able to sing it completely unamplified to the entire room.
Exactly. Once someone starts using a microphone all bets are off. "Hitting" a note and projecting it are two different things. The real and infallible test is where the voice "breaks." There is the"primo passaggio" and "secundo passaggio" a perfect fourth above. Just looking at the lower men's voices, the chart below can be found in Richard Miller's book: "Securing Baritone, Bass Baritone, and Bass Voices" :
Lyric baritone: Primo passaggio B3 - Secondo passaggio E4
Dramatic (Verdi) baritone: Primo passaggio Bflat3 - Secondo passaggio Eflat4
Bass-baritone: Primo passaggio A3 - Secondo passaggio D4
Lyric bass: Primo passaggio Aflat3 - Secondo passaggio Dflat4
Basso profondo: Primo passaggio G3 - Secondo passaggio C4
Dudes voice capabilities floor me every freaking time. Man, I love it.
David Phelps is a fantastic tenor. Christian singer and composer. This man is phenomenal. C5 and climbing!
Actually his highest is F5
He's really good.
I agree.
Tru dat
@denny b Yes, he is sometimes.
I love being a bass/baritone! Hitting that sweet Eb2 and sometimes D2 all the way to F4
Me too Darling Bass/Baritone and my chest and mix goes for C#2 to G#4 sometimes A4.
Aren't you guys lyric baritones?
@@Pieceoshi I don't know what it means
@@ismaelm.mbaangue9147 normal baritones,not bass/baritones. Bass baritones can go down to the first octave as well
@@Pieceoshi really?
Random request but Tara you should cover Demi Lovato lionheart! It’s a crazy hard song but I know you could do it, no sweat!
Love the brutal honesty with the tenor debate. I feel like so many people strive to be a higher voice and unfortuently, not the other way around. Embrace being a baritone/lower voice!
Absolutely! I'm firmly a bass but wanted to be a tenor for years, before I came to realise how f**king awesome being able to sing the lowest notes of them all is. That's something that can't be trained. Now I wish I could be even a couple tones lower if I could, haha
what if u have range from C3 to A4 ?
@IV Blizzard Range isn't the only that determines vocal classification. Tonality, vocal weight and color.. so many different factors.
@@bradylasserre9320 my voice is quite bright , both speaking voice and singing voice , but C5 is impossible on full voice for me
@IV Blizzard Are you fishing for me to call you a tenor?
Me being a tenor 1 that commonly sings alto watching this: 🤠
I'm a Tenor 1 😊 Let's get it
Alto/Contralto here!👍🏾
same ahahaha
Alto here!
Tenor here
I mean I can’t hit those Charlie Puth notes but I can fly thru Bieber or Mendes notes.. anyone else? 😅
All of them sings very high, it depends of the song or type of belt, the problem with Charlie is that he belts more chesty than the others two it mean more difficult.
It's like do Ariana's F5 should be easier and more mixed than Mariah's F5 which is more difficult and Less mixed.
Lol I'm more of a Jamie Cullum
Imma baritone,Mendes is easy,bieber too,not all of his songs,cuz he uses mixed cuz of his issues with not being able to belt.Charlie is definitely abit hard,cuz he uses head voice for most of his songs.Keep in mind,all baritones,its what they choose to use to sing,if you jear Charlie's speaking voice is pretty low and deep.
@@victorleebhagad352 They aren't baritones Darling they have truly Tenor voices. Lmao
@@ismaelm.mbaangue9147 Okay my DARLING,you dont understand,im gonna have to put it this way,ever heard of mix,yea,all of em use mix.And im positive you dont know about tenors,Charlie uses head alot and mix too,And Bieber has problems belting,so he uses mix which will sound like tenor voice tone,aight?Now Mendez has a baritone voice.DARLING,you must look at their range in chest voice,not when they use techniques and mix using a lighter tone,if you hear em in chest voice,they cant belt higher that A4,in chest.Where as Tenors....they should be able to belt up to the 5th octave,around C5 as proof they are tenors in chest,keep in mind.Now most tenors have a shallow light tone,and its their natural tone,where as baritones have a deeper tone,some slightly,some much deeper,and all 3 of em (Charlie,Mendez &Bieb)all choose to sing in mixed registers,which if done correctly,will give the impression of a tenor singing.I know DARLING,it confused you,well now i told you,im not gonna LMAO at you,you didnt know,now ive told you.
Cheers DARLING,once you understand,you'll be thanking be and agreeing.
I spent most of my teens being classified as a baritone in school choirs due to my generally dark and heavy timbre, but I was moved into the tenor section because I was very adept at hitting that A4 note that commonly occurs in baroque choral arrangements. In college I was reclassified as a low tenor with an extended low and high range, I can get to an F#2 and still project reasonably well, and I am able to belt an E5 without straining, though I rarely had to go that high outside of singing in old school heavy metal bands.
A4?
@@markuwho Yeah, my phone typing skills are not the best, A4 is what I meant. I can belt/scream an A5 like the one Phil Anselmo hit at the end of Pantera’s Cemetery Gates, but I wouldn’t blend with the soprano section too well if attempting it during a performance of Handel. lol
I feel like vocal classification is more of a spectrum rather than blocked off sections. For example; I would classify my voice being 50% baritone and 50% second tenor blend. So I can hit a G2 with the weight and resonance of a full 100% baritone singer. My top high chest belts go up to a A4 and have a 100% feel and weight of a second tenor. So I can use a good mix belt to C#5. Then in falsetto my voice starts feeling heavy and shrill at a G5. In this way I can visualize performing singing over 3 octaves comfortably. I practice to sing even lower and higher, but I feel like it will be a few years progress to hit E2’s and flageolet Bb5. Consistently. I have great freedom accepting my limitations to range because it forces me to use various dynamics to add contrast to the song, and make the audience feel like I’m singing higher and lower notes that I’m actually singing!
thanks for your comment - good to know i'm not alone, i too feel 50/50 barry/tenor - and with falsetto can easly sing over 3 octaves. i do have more difficulty though when songs are written for extreme low of baritone or extreme top of tenor range.
@@Papafou i feel like im in a similar boat however im between baritone and bass. with about 3 and a half octaves range with flasetto. my lowest note i can hit most days is a B1 but its breathy. so id say my comfortable range is around D2-F5
Everything about what you said, especially the range, matches so closely with my voice! Mine's underdeveloped though (had maybe one or two years of training, but inconsistent lessons). On a typical day, my chest voice starts weakening at B♭2 and ends at A♭2 (if super relaxed in the morning then an F#2 would be possible for a short period of time). Full chest went to B♭4 for only once or twice (probably can have more stable A4s and B♭4s if I stop getting nervous), I'd say my texture resembles a low tenor. Have NOT "discovered" my mixed voice, so usually I'm slightly afraid of going above F4, which is where I'd crack. Recently my teacher finally started with some mixed voice exercises (after a long time strengthening my chest voice).
We seldom practiced falsetto during class but I did mess around with it a lot on my own. Tops out at around G5 when I get really loud with it (can go higher but that would be yelling and I don't like the sound); it seems that I'm bad at a quieter falsetto, since I tend to strain when I go quieter above E♭5 (because I still haven't found my flageolet?). I may have developed some form of twang, because when hearing internally, my falsetto has a loud ringing to it. Especially between A4 to E5.
Have tried sucking in air and inconsistently reached the first few notes in the 6th octave, with little to some tension. But I know this wouldn't lead me anywhere so I should work on relaxing my voice enough to sing in flageolet. (There's a certain throat coordination you need to find, and it's a bit tricky.)
This is the simplest and most clear video I've ever seen on voice types. Thank you!
With all my respect, you're mixing up way too many incomparable things
1)Vocal ranges you're referring to, are built for a DEVELOPED OPERA VOICE! All those C3-C5, A2-A4, E2-E4 ranges are NOT what typical vocal range for any particular voice type would be cause in order to be able to actually sing in that tessitura properly, someone's voice needs YEARS of training.
And also those ranges covers only chest voice with not a hint of a mixed and head voices, not even talking about whistles. All voice types are able to sing WAY beyond those pitches, I'm a high tenor, borderline altino (if using opera terminology), and my lowest everyday note is around F#2/F2 even though I'm more comfortable at G#2 and above
2)You definitely CAN'T classify beginners properly, of course, you can say if someone's voice is RATHER a tenor THAN a baritone but that's all. Instead of putting beginners into boxes, just let them develop their voices in their own tempo, otherwise it's simply harmful and very likely to mistype someone's voice
3)Voice type overall is a complicated topic and the range is the LAST thing you should look at referring to someone's voice type. A guy can simply be unskilled in any particular technical field like belting, low notes, head voice or even whistles, doesn't mean his vocal cords suddenly became thicker or thinner, it just doesn't make any sense. And also there're quite a bit of diseases which can make voice lower, there're cultural traditions which makes men speak lower/higher than they would be comfortable speaking, there're unique cases like abnormally low or unusually high voices etc etc, way too many cases to consider. You can't just answer this question in 8 minutes with 3-sec sample of how someone's voice would typically sound
4)Referring to opera, popular music, Broadway AND Tenor 1/Tenor 2 section in choral positioning in 1 video? Are you even sure you know the actual subject?
Unfortunately, dislike, way too many disinformation and very very very vague and unclear explanation with more than dubious examples
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I agree 100%. I’m not loving the amount of “voice coaches” on RUclips who are contributing to a lot of the confusion behind singing technique and vocal pedagogy. There are some good ones, but almost never as big and viral as the less accurate ones.
@@danielcerda517 who do you recommend to watch ?
@@imgaybe Jeff Rolka is someone I watch often, but honestly nothing will help you the way that an in-person vocal coach (with a degree in vocal music: important) who can listen to your voice and give you technical guidance.
Bass is the best voice in the world. To all guys blessed with a bass voice - congratulations ! Be proud of you.
Thanks bro! It's nice to see someone who is down to support the bass squad, there are few and far between!
@@matthewpalm7484 U r welcome. Although I'm a bass-baritone myself, I'm still in love with my voice and soul 😉
@@rtrich.93 I am glad that you're happy with yourself! Keep pushing man!
I'm a bass, Baretone & Tenor but I love to sing RNB thin voice hahaha
Deeper bass guys be like: 😏😏😏 stand aside kids.
What's your vocal classification, Tara? Thanks for the video!
I think Tara has previously said she is a soprano
Much love to basses out there, y'all got a beautiful range (my personal opinion). Not one myself though, I'm female lol
Thanks, and you might enjoy this.
ruclips.net/video/Ka5bDlC9C-w/видео.html
(promise this isn't spam - the video is Paul Robeson singing Danny Boy in Eb, so down to C2)
@@patheddles4004 AHHH more food for my apparent bassophile self to feed on! 😂 Thank you!
@@RosheenQuynh You're very welcome. :-)
If you're keen, you're also welcome to come join our Facebook group "Octavism, Basstronomy, Choral".
And of course, the Oktavism channel here on RUclips has tons of great stuff besides that one video I linked.
@@RosheenQuynh Lovely to get some appreciation finally, it's too underappreciated but it gets people's attention when you hit a solid C2!
@@matthewpalm7484 Haha, yeah! Totally! Y'all deserve it!
Can you explain what is an oktavist? From what I heard, oktavist sing lower than bass singers.
An octavist sings one octave below the typical bass. So he should be able to sing an E1
All my guys down here in the comments bringing up countertenors. Y'all, countertenor is a coordination/approach to singing, not a voice type!
Thank you!
Hi shoutout to all my fellow tenors bmi singer/songwriter here keep singing perfect pitch and keep making beautiful bright sounds with your higher range us tenors can also sing a few lower notes too y’all stay blessed and keep singing !
Currently in a musical belting D5-Eb5 in multiple songs. True tenor squad 🙌🏾
which musical is that?
Tenors are betas
@@giannis_tar Narnia the musical as Aslan
@@willywonka00 I laughed so much with this comment LOL, and I'm a tenor
@@kelnerroberto5427 It's was just a joke lol
Although true tenors must hit C5. Some start off not being able to, and then can
Like how some baritones are known to struggle to hit a G4, whilst others can go higher
Range doesn’t determine vocal type of course
But there different classes of vocal types
It’s a whole mind map of sub classes 😅
Like some sopranos can’t hit opera, classic soprano and pop sorpano are both equal but have different appeals
I myself am a tenor, but not sure which type I am.
I tend to sing in the female octave when in unison because when singing an octave down I struggle to project those lower notes
😅😅
Plus I can belt to B4 and I’m working on that C5, I can hit it.. I just need to sustain it now
It’s all progress.
3 years ago I struggled with the B4 but can hit it and can finally sustain it for long periods of time. 😊
And my tone is confusing to some because I have a wide speaking range. So I can sound like a baritone at times or sound like an alto 😅😅
Therefore I’m definitely a tenor, cos I shift my tone to and from and my mid range (tenor) is where I’m most comfortable and I belt my socks off 😂😂
I just love singing 😊
An example of me sounding female when I sing is singing Andante Adante, I sing it in original key and the female octave 😊
Love the video ❤❤🎉🎉
ow. whatever they may teach to you is flawed by *even their voices* reverbing of all the hard, uncovered surfaces...
I don't get it. RUclips is full of "voice specialist who can tell you what you are with these simple steps" - and same time elsewhere people recording their voice JUST FOR THE VIDEO have walls covered with absolutely anything to absorb/reduce bounce of sound waves. Which is proven physical fact.
Voice teachers: nah, who cares
I’ve identified myself as a bass-baritone, but when I sang in a church choir, I was placed in 2nd bass because I was able to sing lower notes. Also, some said that I’m either a baritone or basso profundo. I could hit an easy, low contra C note.
u cant hit an easy c1 and be identified by anyone as a baritone lmao. im guessing u mean c2
@@lawsong6663that's what he said , read properly!!! Low c is C2 , Double low C is C1
@@manwithmonstervoice1100 contra is 1st oactave
@@manwithmonstervoice1100 contra notes start at c1 and ascend to b1
@@lawsong6663 well, I have heard guys telling that C2 is low C whereas C1 is double low C
So wait, there are no male altos...? 🤔
Just discovered your channel and think it's great for an absolute beginner like myself. Hope you do more bass videos (my natural range/type).
I appreciate the intention, but to properly demonstrate each voice, you need a different singer for each voice type.
So it's the tonality and texture of the voice that determines which part of the vocal spectrum someone is in?
My teacher always called me a 'Bass-Baritone', cos my range is F2-G4
Not even a single thing was correct in this video. First of all, voice type is determined mainly by tessitura, not timbre. Timbre is affected by vocal tract size and shape, which can be manipulated. Tessitura is mainly determined by vocal fold size. Second of all, there is absolutely no trained bass/baritone/tenor who can't sing below E2/G2/C3 respectively. If they can't, they are either of a higher voice type, or they need to go home ASAP and start training. Third, most untrained tenors will NOT be able to belt a C5 consistently. You need to clarify if you are talking about trained or untrained voices here. Last, why on earth would a tenor sound like he has no upper limit? Everyone has an upper limit...
Correct, but If someone has got a really bright and at times androgynous timbre there's no way he's just a lyric tenor, definitely a very high tenor (high tenors can hit in the 2nd octave, not with a neutral larynx position that is). Tessitura and range often change with training.
Thank you for your insight!!
So is Elvis A Baritone - and - Tenor? as he can hit and sustain many voice ranges and octaves?...
What am I to make of singers like Castellucci and Foust when they are in the tenor range?
For years I thought that the late Paul Robeson was a definitive bass, but it was eventually pointed out to me that the quality of his voice was so exceptional that it is easy to miss the fact that he was mostly in the baritone range.
His timbre was super bassy, wether his range was more bass or bass-baritone is where I'd question, but I'd hesitate to call him a baritone
I'm a baritone and I really really enjoy this video. Thanks to Tara Simon for uploading this helpful video. #Nepal
Nate Dogg was the best
What am I I can’t hit notes above d3 and I can hit note as low as b1. As chest note!!
Avery Wilson is a great example of a tenor belting all the way up to F5.
Isn’t he a baritone
He actually mixes
Avery is clean full voice up to a G5. He's on the higher side even for tenors.
@@themajestyjoshua yeah i dont think ive heard him since ive only seen snippets but if he can belt that high its mixed belting...its not possible for a male to belt in pure chest that high, even sopranos have to mix belt f5s and lower in the 5th octave with a few who can maybe "pull" chest up that high and even then, there is usually some degree of mixing. For example, Ariana Grande, her belted f5s are all mixed. Mixing is necessary for belting notes that high.
@@deahsarnosse4446 facts i can go to a c5 without mixing because I haven’t found my mixed and the c5 is strain most likely and my b4 and a4 sounds good
J. None heyyyyyyyyy.... Please comeback to Voiceplay as soon as possible ....huhu
That’s unfortunately a problem. He will not come back for over 5 months. I don’t know if that’s “soon as possible” to you, but yeh...
The most common baritone aria from opera is probably ‘Largo al factotum’. Best recording is probably with Sesto Bruscantini. The definition of baritone voice is in that aria 😉
"You are not a real tenor if .........." - SHOTS FIRED! Instant LIKE
What am i my lowest note i have hit was g#1 and my highest was F#1😂😂
I just gotta say: I have similar experiences when trying to classify people on Quora. WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE believe in range being the only thing that determines your voice type. I keep having to say the same thing in every one of those types of questions, as people just blindly believe in that myth. And personally, vocal weight with timbre quality is what determines voice type more than anything else. I really wish people actually knew this.
Ok and what about passagio? Do they determine your voice?
Didn't think about that. For sure it can be an important factor. (And I'm pretending by the way that this is a genuine question in case you're being sarcastic.)
My vocal coach says im a Bass/Baritone not quite sure what that means but i can belt pretty high to a B for Phil Collins songs. But i am more comfortable with singing Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Jim Reeves, Don Williams and Johnny Cash songs.
Would love to become more comfortable with belting high so i can comfortably sing Phil Collins songs.
3:53 just a casual low C
So I have the following situation: I'm the whole package of what a Baritone is, my range is EXACTLY G2-G4, I have a bit of depth and I feel a lot more comfortable singing on a middle-low area, but, even though I'm sure about me being a Baritone, I still am misidentified as a woman in the cellphone (people always think it's my mom), I have a higher and more bright tone on my speaking voice that always got me doubting if I'm not actually a Tenor without the right technique. My questions are:Is it normal to have a higher speaking voice? Is it wrong? What is the most probable reason for that? I'm a Baritone with a higher tone? I'm a lower Tenor? Am I forcing it? I'M SO LOST
@j4Rose Why shouldn't it, it comes from the same parts of your body, and vocal weight doesn't count in classifying a voice, I may fake my voice by depressing the larynx, making inflections and accentuating bright vowel shapings, or messing with quotients to try adding depth but I'd still remain a tenor.
It is most certainly not wrong. Embrace whatever range you have. There are certainly some baritones who have brighter tone, or some who have richer tone. Timbre certainly does have to do with your voice type, but there is also your tessitura. What notes can you sing comfortably? And which notes are in your passagio (vocal passage) between your chest voice and your head voice. In other words, around which part of your range is your ‘break’?
Honestly though, as long as you are comfortable with the part you are assigned, I wouldn’t worry too much about your voice type unless you are planning on going into something like opera. I am a baritone who is described to have a “rich” tone. I can sing E2-E4 but I also have some repertoire pieces that go up to a G4. Doesn’t mean I’m a bass with high notes, doesn’t mean I’m a tenor with low notes. I’m still classified as a baritone because of other facts like my tessitura, passagio, and timbre. Hope this helped!
Brighter tone baritones would be people like Scott Hoying John Legend and Brian Stokes Mitchell. Avery Wilson and Brendon Urie are tenors, their speaking voices have some depth but they are not as warm and naturally resonant as those of the baritones I mentioned.
honestly im probably a 2nd bass. i can't go much lower than what you guys said for bass and i have to slip into my head voice for baritone and tenor but i wish i had access to someone who taught music to confirm my suspicions. good video though.
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This is why the pop voice type system is so confused. Pop music stereotypes voices, with very few exceptions, so that people think that a baritone or tenor should sound like what he demonstrated. There is not a single thing called "tenor" or "baritone", these are just general descriptions. Tom Jones is one of the best ever pop tenors and he sounds much heavier than this guys "baritone" sound. If he sang in opera he would be considered a lyric or spinto tenor, although in pop he might be considered a baritone with a good top. Giacomini is a famous dramatic tenor and he sounds much darker and bigger than this guys' bass voice.
There are numerous sub categories within each general voice type and the only real distinction is the ability of the person to successfully perform a type of music in the style expected of that music. So in classical voice the baritone voice he demonstrates would be appropriate in opera to a very light lyric tenor voice, and too light for baritone. But the bass voice he makes would be a "lyric" bass, but also could be a stock standard baritone voice or a "spinto" or "dramatic" tenor voice. What he demonstrates isn't wrong though as he is copying the way he thinks these words sound in pop rep, but that shows that that is not actually a voice type, that is just an aesthetic expectation.
Range is another matter and it simply is not true that all successful professional basses can sing a low C and all tenors a high C. A dramatic or helden tenor voice will rarely go above a high A. Lyric basses often cannot sing below an Eb. Many lyric baritones can sing high Cs, some baritones can sing below a low C. Range is really only a secondary consideration and is highly influenced by technique. The biggest tell for where a singer should be training is their natural passagio or break. A stock baritone will break at an E. A stock tenor will break above a G, a stock bass should break at about a B natural or C. Of course that isn't a real test because big tenors may turn on a D and some baritones sing open Fs. But that is the traditional way to start determining a voice type.
You had it all the way until you started talking about breaks. Register breaks can occur anywhere on the scale and are also affected by vowels (open vowels can be carried way higher on the heavy mechanism than closed ones)
For me,when I sang with Mr.Bartione himself J-None on the "Oh,say." I was able to hit those notes but able to hit the notes on the tenor part as well. What does that classify me as?
By the way, websites that say G sharp 2 for Tenors is CORRECT since it's the very very very EXTREME bottom of our range. C3-C5 is the tessiatura range but not our full range
The very very very extreme bottom of tenor range is around F2 imo. G#2 is within speaking range for most tenors.
@@giannis_tar I didn't know that! For me it's extremely low cause my voice is thinner. I usually speak between C3-G3 when I'm not raising my voice.
@@stevengrantofthegiftshop1549 based on my experience and what you are telling me it is possible that you are either a high tenor or your chest voice needs training. If the latter is true then I bet your speaking voice is also relatively quiet.
@@giannis_tar Probably the former; my speaking voice is quite loud
@@giannis_tar
Can confirm. I am a Tenor, and my speaking voice has a median frequency of A#2. I speak between F#2-D#3 most of the time.
And, yes E2 is at the very bottom of my range, and my tessitura is from G#2-E4.
When you talk about vocal range, are you strictly referring to chest voice, or are head voice and falsetto included? Also, how do you tell the difference between head voice and falsetto?
They talking about chest voice but usually if you a tenor you can easily hit head/falsetto note
Well, I'm a Mezzo but I love baritones cause they are my or Mezzo-sopranos opposite. So I am obsessed 💖 with the voice type.😍💙🧡💚💜🥰. Oh, and love u Terra super mega fan⭐🤯✨🌷🔥
I feel like I’m a definite baritone but on a good day I can hit a c5 so what am I?
If you can't consistently hit a C5, then you're likely a baritone.
this might actually help me figure out my voice. I’ve been singing since I was 4 and songwriting since I was 11 and have never been able to know what my voice is.
I can go veryyy low for a 17 year old and can also go quite high into my head voice, but my falsetto is very weak and sounds pitchy, although it used to be the strongest part of my voice but as I was going through puberty I completely lost it and haven’t been able to build it back all that much. but I can also high some pretty high notes and am decent in belting in certain parts of my voice. so my voice is confusing to me 😅
Note; I know I should because when I do my voice feels fresher and more supported but I don’t really do vocal warm ups all that often...
and I am usually drinking coffee in between singing songs. So it’s my own fault my voice gets damaged at times.
It's legit the same for me, heas voice used to
be soooo easy for me, but puberty hit harder than a brick and I can barely do it now, but for some reason it's easier for me to hit notes around C6 and past it, since I can go up to a G6 in whistle.
Voice types have to do with your timbre rather than range.
@@josemoreira6139 crazyyyy
@@KajiVocals yeah I know but my range is just weird. my voice is very soft but can also be very raspy since I have smoked for 5 years (I know it’s terrible. I was 12 it’s prolly why my voice is how it is)
@@jordannow13 I got a singing server if you’re interested in figuring out those things more - discord. gg/xkdzN7zR (just delete the space btween the gg and the dot)
But yeah, you’ll be fine. Your voice will eventually fully heal considering you stopped smoking.
Also, statistically speaking, you’re probably a tenor.
What am I if my chest note range is from C2 to C5?
What if I have the range of a bass but the sound of a baritone? My range is Eb2-E4 but my low isn’t as full
You can say bass baritone
baritone, i used to have the same problem, my chest voice goes down to C2 most days and A1 being the lowest i've ever got, but the sound of my voice it's to high to be considered bass, that's why i see myself as a baritone with an extended low range, and no, that doesn't mean im a bass baritone haha
I sang all three parts 😂
Big ups to the hybrids via Bass-Baritones!
I can easily sing bass notes with no effort though I don’t sound like a bass, I can sing baritone easily but I sound like a harsher sounding tenor even though I am not straining. When I sing Ring of Fire I do not sound like I am trying to go low like Johnny Cash. I can’t sing tenor but I can sing just over the 5th octave in my falsetto range.
Great point about timbre of the voice. Thats really the defining characteristic of voice type. Range is not. Plenty of baritones can belt a C5 with proper development of mixed voice and good resonance placement. But, they’re still a bari at the end of the day🤣.
Nice presentation! Great voice range. I’m a fellow baritone (second tenor to bass also)
Not sure if you've listened to /analyzed Twinkie Clark or Melanie Daniel's vocals... but I'd be interested in hearing your take on them. Both have a some pretty impressive range/ techniques for sure.
Tara: Vocal classification should technically be first the timbre, the texture of your voice, how beefy or how thin it sounds, right?
J. None: Mhm
Tara: The confirmation of that classification is really more where you fall in range.
Also J. None, completely ignoring timbre, texture, and the qualities one's voice displays: If you can't sing tenor high C, you aren't a tenor.
good evening ms tara simon i hope you will notice me, im a tenor in choir, i can reach A6 cause of the whistle register, my lowest botes are g2, and i can belt up to D5 cause i have a girly voice and my idol is mariah carey and i trained my self to go up anyway my point is am i coute tenor my range is G2 - A6 😊
I'm a tenor as well with a range from d#2, switching to head voice at B4, with my highest note is Bb5.
Good tips
Thank you for the lesson- as always you are an excellent teacher.
Do we have countertenor ?
Tesittura I think it's better for establishing vocal range. E. G. My comfortable range is e2-e4 (full support, no mix voice or head voice), but I feel better in baritone instances (my timber is closer to a bass).
Answer? It depends.
This is great! Can we please get one for the female voices, too? Thank you!
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Love your videos 😀
I am a baritone that is comfortable for me, but I can sing tenor as well!
Whats youre vocal range passagio and what it sounds like if you sing A4 or C5 will it sounds really light youre Lyric Baritone or Maybe Baritone-Martin if it Sounds Heavy but high and strong youre Dramatic Tenor or Heldentenor
Oof. I'm a man who have always loved to sing but always made people around me run away like there's a black friday sale in the building next door, unable to hit any high notes and sounding really awful. I've felt especially bad about it when I've tried singing in my church where most visitors are females and there's not many men to compare myself to and they sing pretty high. Like many others I thought I'm tone deaf.
Through your tutorials and with the help of apps I discovered I'm able to sing comfortably somewhere between G2-F3 or so (my head voice is untrained and weak, but I can hit the E4-F4 range and slightly lower with some effort, though not higher). I'm really disappointed I can only sing so low... but I guess I'll just have to accept my limitations and work with what I've got. Hopefully I can strengthen my head voice with practice. I don't sound too bad as long as I stick to low notes. Thanks for all the tutorials and advice!
Oh wow. Apparently I'm a bass and have been trying to sing falsetto my whole life. That felt so much more natural and sounded so much better.
Bahaha.
I think I'm a bass singer then 🤔 😂 you guys are awesome and informative while still being very entertaining. You got a new fan 🥰
I love the bass notes! Kinda jealous of it. It sounds amazing. I can go down till D2/C2 on a very good day but it does not sound even close to what he is doing or an actual bass 😅 But I won the tenor lottery at least. Can go up comfortably to E5 and can hit notes till A5 but well... I would not call that "singing" 😅 My comfortzone is definitely somewhere between D4 and D5. That's where my voice shines. But the bass notes are so cool and they feel the best while singing. Very low notes are so soothing to me either as a listener or as a singer.
Everyone its all about the songwriters and the songs. I guarantee you if more
fantastic songs were written with the bass or baritone in mind we'd be on the
radio or top 40 lists just as much as the tenors......Remember, Barry White,
Lou Rawls...They were everywhere and, today, still on many radio programmers
or DJ's lists...True or False?
Bass here, Bb1 chest , but the high notes... 🤮
The whole classification comes from opera and doesn't make much sense if you apply it to pop music vocal technique. In order to really classify your voice type in this way you need to first be able to produce an operatic sound with freedom and full resonance, and then it's the 'tessitura', aka the range in which you're more comfortable singing (with that operatic voice), that really can tell you what's your vocal register. It could very well be that your pop singing voice sounds light and thin and you have easy access to high notes (maybe with a falsetto quality to them) but you would actually be a bass if you learnt to sing with an operatic voice. That's really more frequent than one would think, as it often comes down to the position of your larynx. A high position of the larynx helps you lighten the sound and let you access high notes more easily. If you sing pop songs you're absolutely allowed to do anything as long as it sounds good, and more often than not a lighter tone is more desirable and wanted by record companies. But if you had to sing opera properly you'd have to prevent your larynx to lift, and then you'd probably find your voice to be much darker than you thought it was. Of course there are cases in which it's not so questionable, for example no one on earth could possibly say Adam Levine's a bass without sounding crazy.
Theres several factors to consider for voice type:
1. Range of quality notes in full voice
2. Primo passagio
3. Secondo passagio
4. Tessitura
5. Timbre and voice EQ
In my case it depends of the day. Sometimes it is between an G2/G2#-G4#/A4 (I am capable of hitting that A4#, but I cannot sustain it)
I can comfortably and powerfully hit E2flat, but can hit C1 and if my voice is rested, B1flat, so I guess that’s a bass!
I'm female and I didn't really believe I could actually be a bass, but from what you're saying, it appears that I am. My comfort range is D2 to D4. And if I count correctly that's just note off in both directions from E2 to E4. I easily sing that and I think there's a lot of weight and timbre to my voice. I can also hit the C2 and it won't sound terrible, and go up to G4 if I really push it, but that doesn't come natural to me.
I thought I was a baritone, but if I'm gonna trust what you said about the G4, I don't think I qualify lol. Which is totally fine, no offense taken. I do feel proud of my voice. I've always been the most impressed by really deep voices. So if anything I've just wanted to sing lower. But I think with that mindset and being too self critical I didn't even truly hear what I was capable of.
My range: E2-D3 sound half weighty, E3-G4 (as I go up the scale my voice gets more & more nasal). Is that tenor baritone or bass?
Wait, I think im a tenor but idk. I most definetly cannot sing bass, maybe baritone (my bottom is G2,but anything below C3 hurts). But right now I cant belt above A4. C5 is well within my range ( my range tops at A5, and on good days a C6) and I did just start singing a year ago so maybe I just neeed to learn how to have good breath support, but Idk.
Will you please make another one talking about alto, mezzo and soprano classifications. I would like to find mine. Thank you for this video. God bless you.
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This video compares each voice type singing certain notes and really allows you to see the voice color in the lower middle to higher range
I swear if one more person tells me I'm a contralto when I struggle to even hit the mid range for that voice class, I'm gonna throw a salt shaker at them! I'm using your video as proof, I'm a low freaking tenor at best. And dang their classical perceptions of male and female voice types, I'll sing as low as I want🤪🙃
The countertenor is often regarded as the highest male voice. Some males can even enter the soprano range. These ranges in the male singing voice might also be regarded as "falsetto", but that's often debated.
In Choir singing, its usually restricted to the basic classifications: Bass, Baritone, Tenor, Alto, Mezzo, Soprano for adults, Treble for children. The various subcategories don't usually play a factor unless it's Solo singing.
I like this, but GOLLY that background is REALLY distracting. WTH?
I can comfortably hit A2-F5 but some days I can hit that G2-G5 and if I push then that high A5, still working towards that C6, and im a low tenor
I have a wide range for Baritone... I know I can hit Bb3- F5 but this doesn’t include my falsetto and the lower notes I can hit... I still don’t know my exact range! But, I have a wide range/octave.
Do u hit F5 in chest or mixed voice?
@@pedrowerthjeong1470 chest. I can hit it naturally.
I see so many comments about not being able to get into the 'rafters' like the girls do or even the Tenors. SO whadya do? You sing the next harmony down. Not the whole octave but just a third. And that's how you learn to show off your resonance, and without straining, stay well within your range.
I saw an interview with 'Tenor' Russell Watson once and he said that he was only a tenor after about 5 pm, he spent the day warming into it because he's a baritone naturally.
Yeah my lowest is A2 and lowest comfortable is C3 ... but I can't go higher than A4 in full voice
Lady talking way to much. Didn't get to hear much "Tenor " Voice , The Gentlemen had a nice voice but the woman talked way too much😮
Listen LISSSTEENNN LINDA!!!! I can hit a C5 if i wanted to i just need a good nights rest, no soda for a week, stay hydrated, stop screaming in the house and none of those things are in the cards for me right now lmao stop attacking me i'll stay at my G4 and be happy right now.
I do not know what I am. I feel I am most comfortable with g2-G4 but I can sing an Eb2-Bb4 chest. Someone help
I have a very light tone when I talk and people often mistake me for a girl. My voice range is roughly F2-C5. Can I still be classified a baritone?
Just downloaded a chart from a vocal coach and it says here that baritone is E2-A4, not G2-G4. How is it possible that people disagree on this? And which is it?