London Underground-Bakerloo Line 59 Stock 1986
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Another Underground vid from 1986. This one shows mostly 59 Stock on the Bakerloo Line at Piccadilly Circus, Regents Park, Queens Park and a shot at the Elephant of a 59 heading south into the tunnel sidings. If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
When life was at least real if not great unlike now everything just seems fictional.
Gorgeous trains, gone but not forgotten!
Takes me back . . . good days. Thank you!
It just won't be the same when the Bakerloo does finally get new stock (the New Tube for London or whatever). It's been such a tradition for so long that it's had the oldest stock on the system.
Well, it had new ones once or twice. The 38's were new when they arrived back in the day and in the mid 70s the MkII 72's were new when they first arrived on the Bakerloo before the Jubilee opened. But yes the line has suffered from 'old stock syndrome' for years!!!
Lol, it will be weird, great, though yep, the 72 tube stock's have become the bakerloo line's signature, same for the Piccadilly line with its still surprisingly modern looking 73 tube stocks, their refurbishment was intensive as heck lol :D, and some done very well :)
the new trains are fugly
Bakerloo line is noisy
A lot of deep tube lines are......
Tube was more fun then
Lots of variety in rolling stock and odd operations that's for sure.....
This trains are still running only they change the colour and the sits
@@Daniel56233 No, i'm afraid not. The trains in this upload are 1959 stock and the last one ran in 2000. There are around 4 cars preserved but the rest were scrapped. The oldest running on the Underground now are the 1972 stock on the Bakerloo and the 1973 stock on the Piccadilly.
At 9:32 Rheo 1 - Max, then back to Rheo 1, then back to Max, then back to Rheo 1, then finally back to Max again and back to Rheo 1 before dropping the handle. Never forgotten the three clicks when doing this : )
When i used to drive them at some stations i would fly in, full EP and only relaese at the end of the platform! I've had some storming runs when i've been late and/or finishing.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Bloody hell Soi, that’s some skill to be honest, can’t speak for the 72s but on C69 the braking performance was so variable it could differ from station to station and you weren’t guaranteed to get away with it in one application. Fortunately dropping the handle slowed the train rapidly so that was a get out. Fastest way to slow one down was to take the control key out while still moving but I wasn’t a fan of that. You didn’t want to have to set up the DVA up again in a hurry or give red lights to an oncoming train while still moving : 0
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Also I quickly learned that application on top of application slowed things down much quicker. So come in EP max, back to Rheo 1, back to EP Max quickly, tricking the system into getting a bit more air in the cylinders. Same thing works with an S stock too, there’s a way of getting the brake test menu to work on the TCMS so you can see the difference in the cylinders at each step ; )
My childhood memories
Interesting. I was born in 1986 and now use Regents Park every day. Not a lots changed, paint is peeling off the walls in exactly the same place 33 years later!
I wonder what is behind the tunnel at that point? A lot of ground water i suspect that leaks through....
Imagine seeing the same kind of stock on Bakerloo and Northern Line: That's confusing.
@@Wildcard71 do you mean like the same type of train on the District, Circle, Met and Hammersmith & City lines? ..... Years back the District, Met and Circle/ Hammersmith lines all had different stock, unlike now.......
Just the sounds ......! Squeal as they stop, doors open, doors close, generators, clunk as motors engage. Classic.
Much more pleasing sounds than today's high pitched 'flying saucer' noises.....
Which line was the last one running 1938 stock trains?
This line.
Northern
Island Line on the Isle of Wight
0:32 Nobody else noticed that the headlights were on at the rear of the train?
The driver forget to change them over to tail lights at the Elephant and the Guard didn't bother to check it had been done!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I was actually thinking more about the comment section, but that makes sense.
Oskar OH I’ve seen a few tube videos where the train has departed a station with headlights on the rear. As a Mainline train driver this would be considered a pretty big bollocking offence, I don’t know if this is a common mistake on the tube or how seriously it’s taken by management?
That would give a driver a bit of a fright if they saw that in the tunnel 🤣
Were these spare 59s from the Northern line because of service reductions from falling ridership?
They went to the Bakerloo line to cover temporarily until the 1972mk2 became available to take over?
Also some of the 1972mk2 was on the Northern line for a bit to cover the spare 59s on the Bakerloo line. Most of the 59s and all 1972mk1s were still on the Northern line and that was more than enough trains.
Some mk2s went to the Northern line temporarily to help out the remaining 59s and 1972mk1s whilst the spares were helping on the Bakerloo line.
The Bakerloo only got the 72s back as they were suitable for conversion to OPO and there were enough to do the whole Bakerloo Line. The 59s were supposed to be permenant at the time they were transfered.
The spare 1959s from the Northern line because of service reductions, were on the Bakerloo line temporarily to cover the release of the 1938 stock.
As there was enough 1972mk2 trains and they were converted to driver only operation, once the 1983 tube stock took over on the Jubilee line, the 1972mk2 went to the Bakerloo line to take over and 59s went back to the Northern line.
The 1959s were destined to stay on the Bakerloo line permanently.
Until around 2000-2010 where they would get replaced by stock like the 1995/1996 or 2009 stock
@@jonah6404the 2009 stock replaced the 1967 stock, including the units that had converted ex Northern line 1972mk1 stock cars in the middle
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 Yeah. BTW as much as I miss the 67 stock I think the 09 stock is better suited for it today
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 Also I heard that some of the 67s had their annocements changed to Sarah
Noisy air compressors!!!
Yes, the 59s & 62s had a very high pitched noise....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus As an amateur, could you be so kind as to point to me where on the video I can hear them? Thanks
@@filthiestfish 2:57, 4:07
@@PeteS_1994 Thank you so much. Why aren't they heard on 1992 stock and more modern trains?
You can see why the driver's eye view series was so popular. All that gothic brick work on the sides with such a gothic Victorian feel. Astonishing.
Do the 59 stock cars have a covered walkway between them?
No, there was a gap between the cars where you could fall or get your head crushed between the cars if you put it in between and the train went around a bend! The doors were for emergency use only.
Lol got it.
No Gothic brick-work on the Underground, as the Gothic period died out before the Underground was built
omg
Brilliant video, they didn't spend long on the Bakerloo, and it was only a couple of trains as most were still the tired old 1938 or the newer 1972 stock, great video and I look forward to your next upload!
Actually at one point the whole line was 59 Stock! The first 15 arrived to replace the 38s due to the service cuts in about 1983. The line was then half 38 & half 59 stock. When the 83s were introduced to the Jubilee that pushed 15 72s across to the Northern which released 15 more 59s to replace the 38s on the Bakerloo, the last Bakerloo 38 ran in late 1985. In mid 1986 the Bakerloo management put in a request to swap the 59s for all the 72 MkIIs as they were suitable for OPO conversion whereas the 59s were not. So the 59s went back to the Northern in exchange for the 15 72s. As the service cuts had been reversed in the mid 1980s (five 38s had been re-instated on the Northern) the Jubilee got another batch of 83 (the 83MkIIs), which sent the 72 MkII to the Bakerloo which allowed a 59 to be sent back to the Northern (which i think allowed a couple of 62s back to the Central to increase their service). The last 59 on the Bakerloo went back in the Summer of 1989 and the line went OPO in November 1989. The Northern Line 72 MkIIs had been converted to OPO to match all those sent direst from the Jubilee which had been converted first to allow that line to OPO convert in March 1988, at which point the Bakerloo & Jubilee train crews stopped the inter line working that had existed since the opening of the Jubilee in 1979. Phew!
And the 72mk2 with a few former Northern line mk1s still serving the Bakerloo today thanks to TfL doin life extension works on them to keep them serving longer.
I know, shamefull isn't it? These wretched trains were falling apart back in the late 80s, running with numerous minor faults, the Depots answer to reports on the trouble card was to put NDF-no defect found. The crews were convinced it stood for 'not done f*** all' as the stock went back into service with the same faults! Every mod or re-build just added to the problems until the Trainmens Inspectors instruced the crews not to follow faults & failures proceedures if a unit had problems but to de-train and get the one behind to push out to Depot-wonderfull stock--Not!
Here's the answer i posted earlier-----Actually at one point the whole line was 59 Stock! The first 15 arrived to replace the 38s due to the service cuts in about 1983. The line was then half 38 & half 59 stock. When the 83s were introduced to the Jubilee that pushed 15 72s across to the Northern which released 15 more 59s to replace the 38s on the Bakerloo, the last Bakerloo 38 ran in late 1985. In mid 1986 the Bakerloo management put in a request to swap the 59s for all the 72 MkIIs as they were suitable for OPO conversion whereas the 59s were not. So the 59s went back to the Northern in exchange for the 15 72s. As the service cuts had been reversed in the mid 1980s (five 38s had been re-instated on the Northern) the Jubilee got another batch of 83 (the 83MkIIs), which sent the 72 MkII to the Bakerloo which allowed a 59 to be sent back to the Northern (which i think allowed a couple of 62s back to the Central to increase their service). The last 59 on the Bakerloo went back in the Summer of 1989 and the line went OPO in November 1989. The Northern Line 72 MkIIs had been converted to OPO to match all those sent direst from the Jubilee which had been converted first to allow that line to OPO convert in March 1988, at which point the Bakerloo & Jubilee train crews stopped the inter line working that had existed since the opening of the Jubilee in 1979. Phew!
Ah really? I never knew, I thought that the 1972 Mark 2 trains had already begun to be transferred to the Bakerloo before the last few 1938TS trains retired. Also, i'm aware the 1938 Stock operated the Bakerloo, but what about the prototype 1935 Stock? I know the streamliners didn't but what about the flat fronted one? Which was on the Epping Ongar shuttle in the end? Did that ever reach the Bakerloo?
One more tiny thing, what's your thoughts regarding the late 1967 Stock? Were they as worn and poor condition as it's 1972 Stock relatives?
Good stuff thanks for uploading
I aim to please!
The Bakerloo Line seems to the poor relation
Yes, the last new stock was some 72s in the 1970s although they ended up on the Jubilee when that opened in 1979. They were well past their prime when they came back in 1986.... The 38s arrived new, but again by the late 1980s they were 40+ years old......
I think the bakerloo just inherits old trains of different lines
Oh yes Soi thank you!!! Shame they did not make it to Watford LMR
They missed out on that by about 6 months! It was rare for anything other than a 38 to get to Watford/Croxley, the odd 72 MkII (from the first timethey were on the Bakerloo before the Jubilee opened) did make it but i believe it was something to do with track voltage on the LMR DC lines that LT kept them from gioing there.
Yes I grew up at Hatch End and vividly remember the odd 72MkII making it to Watford.
Anymore Underground stuff please Soi??
A lot like the Metropolitan of the time. I lived in Pinner
The A60s were basically the sub surface line version of the 59 stock. A bigger train but mechanically similar.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus and the C69/C77 stock were the subsurface version of the 1967 and 1972 stocks
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 Similar....and the bonus of a cab door!
Why did the Bakerloo line get the 1972mk2s back when the 1959s were meant to stay on the Bakerloo line permanently?
Because they could be converted to OPO wheras the 59s couldn't.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus okay the 59s were just built for crew operation only and weren't suitable for the Bakerloo line, hence why they went back to the Northern line, the spare 1959s from the Northern because of service cuts went to the Bakerloo line temporarily to get rid of the 1938 stock till the 1972mk2s became available.
I understand now. Thanks for explaining.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus From 1989.
i take that the cab views were shot on board a 72 mk2?
Yes, an OPO converted one, you can see the edge of the set numbers that sat in the offside cab window.
I meant to say an UN opo converted one. Still had the Guard in the gangway and not the rear cabs.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus so how many 72 stocks were on the Bakerloo at this time
Very few, management had just put in a stock transfer request and in early 86 the first 59/72 stock transfres took place with the Northern. The ones from the Northern were filthy dirty with tunnel dust, door valves were cogged up with the stuff. It would take 10-15 seconds to get all the doors closed at each station as some doors would close sooo slowly. You could loose a lot of time with one of them on each trip, horrible, rancid trains! Give me a 59 anyday....or an 83, nice & warm in the back cab away from the passengers and with cab heaters that made it like being at the equator-lovely!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus is that why the doors on the 72s used to squeal when they opened?
And not a smartphone or even an ordinary mobile phone in sight, lol. :)
Back in 1989 mobile phones did exist, they were somewhat large. I first saw one in about 1981 time. It was the sixe of a brick!
It's not too long ago they got cell reception underground, actually.
I suppose the only way to listen to music on trains in those days would have been with a transistor radio, but only above ground of course
@@kinkisharyocoasters Walkman also existed from 1979
yes, kill the handy in you !😂
Are these the same stock as on the Isle of Wight?
Similiar, the IOW stock is their predessors, the 38 Stock. These are 59 stock, basically a slightly updated version.
Hmm?... Looks like Northern line train is... It's sightly weird it is, huh?! 😑🤔
Yes it is, the 1959 stock. Service cuts on the Northern line, released spare trains to go to the Bakerloo line and provide operational support until the 1972 mk2 became available.
Some mk2s went to the Northern line to cover for the spare 1959 stock.
Most of the 59s and the 1972mk1 were still on the Northern line and that was more than enough to run all Northern line services.
When the transfer of the 1972mk2 to the Bakerloo line was completed in the late 1980s, the 1959s went back to the Northern line.
The 1972mk2 and about three to four ex Northern line mk1 trains still serve the Bakerloo line today and have been life extended to serve longer.
Oh, wow! ^_^