BRAND NEW 450HP 351 CLEVELAND FIRST START UP AND CAM BREAK IN
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2019
- G'day everyone, Thanks for coming back to watch another of my videos!
This is the Video everyone was waiting for, the Brand New 351 Cleveland 450 HP First Start up, and Camshaft Break In process!
I had a lot of people asking when I would have this ready to upload after I did the Pre-Start Checks and Tips video last Friday. If you haven't seen it please check it out. Thank you all so much everyone for the support!
It was real nice to have a few guys personally touch base asking questions about there Clevelands, the test light, and even asking me to come and work on there early Ford Muscle Cars. It's not easy to try and make videos like this, and it means a lot to me when guys do go out of there way to message me and thank me, or give me some Positive feedback!
I have had some great suggestions for future videos too, I will start to make happen. If you learn anything at all from watching this, Please Subscribe to show your support! Thanks Ozzy
All footage used courtesy of The Clevo King
Between your love for rotary engines and Cleveland engines, DAMN I love you Aussies!
Thanks man I am clevo mad, One of my mates has a cool RUclips with some mad rotaries on it. His channel is called Street Car Culture check it out!
It sure does “Sounds absolutely beautiful “ 🇦🇺
That’s a sweet sounding engine!
Pretty big HP for that car! I had a ‘73 Mach 1 with a 351 Cobra Jet, loved that car.
I just joined your family. Looking forward to more of your content ❤️
thanks for the video, was very beneficial as I have a leaking seal which has to be rectified. I am not exited about having to removing engine to do the seal
Still trying to get my cleveland assembled. Put it together in 99, sat in storage since last year, pulled it apart and had more block work done w/forged pistons. Getting ready to coat pistons and bearings in thermal barrier and dry film lube respectively. Just keeps dragging along.
Mate, that's lovely. Good stuff.
Those Cleveland motors are bad ass screamers
The engine sounds great.
Chris Montreuil Thanks I will pass that on to the owner mate, yes it did sound very nice, I was very happy to be able to work on it 👌
Great footage and knowledge man ,
Ford Sure
Great video my man...subscriber 351.
Sounds effing awesome, just had my Cleveland rebuilt, running it in a 77 f250 4x4.
My hot rod farm truck
Doing the same thing on a donor highboy chassis with a 66 body. I do love the 70s trucks, though.
Hey mate, would you have a list of parts you'd use for a clevo? I'd be interested to hear what you'd recommend
Ok thats it i am going to get my 393 stroker started, so i can have my own cleveland music
Very Nice!
hawkdsl thanks mate, I appreciate some feedback!
It is a so good we got them and still have 351Cs. Have two but want a 385 series. Taking it to the next level. Cheers. Regarding the Clevo, get Higgens heads for it.I would throw $200 for that. Have fun.
I wouldn’t mind some Higgins heads to play with one day!
I'm almost finished building my xe esp and I was wondering what thickness air filter could I use under bonnet 351c rpm air gap manifold using 1" spacer 750 dp square bore?
There’s only 2 words ( Hell yeah )
What was the LSA, lift, and duration on the cam? Very smooth running engine!
My one has developed a whistling noise, sounds like coming from the distributor, any ideas
Would love to see this ESP in action
What cam are you running? I'm building a 351m with custom forged pistons, balanced engine and head work on stock 2v open chamber heads, including porting. Your thoughts are appreciated.
Awesome build! I was wondering if you could tell me what pulley kit that is? Is it the A-Team gilmer style? Also doing a Cleveland 4v build and looking for a pulley kit without the A/C compressor and power steering pump.
Sam D I think I was told it’s a pro flow gilmer pulley set, I like to use Aeroflow too.
Its an aero flow pulley kit
So these 2 cars are pretty much 4 door fox body mustangs it seems?? Awesome!!
Both XE fords
Yellow is an s pack
The blue gem is an ESP
( European sports pack) it essentially replaced the GT
What's the right running temperature for a 393 Cleveland stroker ?? Cheers Mick
Very nice car. Can't wait to get my built modded 351m going. Hope it sounds as good. Is that a burnout car? Cheers
Can't beat the sound of an angry Clevo.
Bear351c thanks it sure does, I’ll tell the owner
It does sounds nice . Check out my 427 clevo stroker if you want angrier
What cam specs you running?
What fuel filter is that using?
What are the cam specs?
Where did you buy the Valve covers? Can only find those ford racing ones you have for a 351w.... will it fit the 351c??
No Windsor covers won’t fit on a clevo mate, they only have 6 bolts not 8 like a clevo cover. I bought these black Ford Racing covers NOS from Zox performance a long time ago. I have seen them on eBay from time to time but they are a bit pricey.
Any updates on this rig guys ?
sounds great! What kind of car is that?
rokguitarstar it’s an XE ESP, they are very rare.
Does it share the same engine compartment as a early mustang it looks like one
Nice man....weird how the fuel pressure gauge was showing zero. It was 4psi only once that I saw. Must be a dodgy gauge?
vigilante351 it was a dodgy fuel gauge mate, love your ute by the way Stu!
@@thclevoking Oh! Thanks very much man! Looking forward to seeing more of your stuff!
Sounds like solid lifter cam, right? Does it have a cam gear drive?
Hydraulic cam mate, anti pump lifters. I think it did have a timing gear set from memory.
Do you tune the Cleveland’s ? Looking to rebuild my father’s 88 mustang and he has 351 crate
Yes I do some tuning but the dyno is the best way to tune mate.
one 351 is in a eb fairmont lol yeeeea
Beautiful car. Would you care to share any details on the engine build?
Mac Franks this customer asked me not to say too much sorry!
@@thclevoking It is just that I have a fresh .030 over forged flat tops Cleveland short block with bare heads and I haven't built one of these engines before. I have been in search of knowledge for a while. I would prefer to do it right the first time. I am particularly trying to carve my way through all the "oiling mods" suggestions which go from nothing needed to routing lines and everything in between.
I will agree to a non-disclosure agreement if that would help and this is truly just for my own build so I don't mess it up. I would then not disclose to anyone else the information I get from you on this build. Mine might take some of what has gone into this build but I also want to make it my own so it won't be a carbon copy anyway. If this is still not acceptable I will continue to research on my own where I can get good information from so my build comes out successfully. Good information seems difficult to come by in the U.S. which is where I am. So far I haven't even found an engine shop in my general area that has any expertise in the oil mods.
@@macfranks2456 thanks for the reply, please look up the clevo king on Insta or my FB page and message me we can chat in private about my opinion on clevo oiling mods to suit your cam profile, thanks Ozzy!
@@macfranks2456 , the Cleveland is an amazing performance engine and responds quite well to properly matched components. Over the course of 40 years, I’ve seen the best and worst along the way. Just know there’s a lot of misinformation about Clevelands online and I hope you will know the difference while gathering information for your build. The Clevelands Forever website is one of the oldest and best online. The engine builds archive has some good ideas that you might find useful. Check it out. 351c.net
Tim Meyer is a Master Machinist and Clevelands are his specialty. He offers hardcore parts along with a few obsolete Cleveland Parts that he reproduces in his shop. He is also working with foundries here in the States to manufacture new iron and aluminum alloy blocks with updated main bearing priority oiling systems and improved strength overall. They look identical to the production D2AE four-bolt main blocks and feature full Cleveland architecture so OEM and aftermarket parts can be used. Check him out. tmeyerinc.com
Tim Halstead has a good series of RUclips videos explaining all of the various components and engine building techniques that he used to build the 408C in his ‘69 Cougar street driver. He runs consistent 9.60’s in the quarter mile using a stock block, single 4-V without power adders. The 408 dyno videos are posted too. It made 752 horsepower @ 7600 rpms and 571 lb/ft of torque @ 5600 rpms.
Check him out. DragBoss
ould you be able to tell why my cams keep failing? I installed 2 Elgin cams and the 2 lobes were worn on the first mild cam and then all 16 lobes on a heavier 2nd cam. Using new 8.400" pushrods but reused stock rocker arms (maybe that's why they were wiped) I pumped the lifters up in an oil bath and lubed everything and then primed the oil pump. Started the engine and ran at 2500 rpm for 25 minutes. What is a good cam kit for the 3rd try if this was not installation error?
Rockers arms wont matter. Are you using modern oil? You need to use zddp additive then. Also proper cam break in is critical
What are the specs of the cam your using this time mate?
@@thclevoking Originally
Lift: .562/.588
Duration: 300/310
Duration @ .050": 234/244
Lobe Separation: 112 LC
Lopey idle, 3000-6500 rpm
Now i am trying a Compcams 268h which i will measure pushrods for 20 thousandths preload
@@thclevoking I never measured pushrods and used stock 8.4" compcams pushrods, maybe i didn't have the correct preload and that ground the lobes. I will try getting away with just removing and cleaning out the oil pan of the metal debris/paste.
What was your total timing
5:29 my 351 has a 400 can in it, and performance pistons etc, all the goodies,
Do you have to remove the engine to change the cam on a 351c? Cheers
No mate done heaps of cam swaps in engine bays it’s not as easy or fun but can be done
Cool thanks. Going to have a look at a 351c XT fairmont tomorrow!
Saweet
Can 4V heads be retro fitted to a 302 Windsor?
Yeah mate they have an intake available to suit too 👌
Much appreciated
what if you dont have a tacho how high should you hold the revs?
You should then buy a cheap timing light with the tacho built in and look at it. Revs need to be between 2-2500rpm.
@@thclevoking thanks but i am re using my cam i have just rebuilt everything else as cam was fine do i still need to do this?
@@cruza1289 not really mate you just have to bed the rings in then as long as you put the same lifter on the same lobe with the same valve spring and pre load
Thats a baddass motor in a strange little car....you Aussies crack me up.
ruclips.net/video/WpNqdpVebMY/видео.html
Not so small what 80s yank would you put this in
Lol its a Xe falcon... 😂
What made it a $15k engine?!
are cool 2 doors hard to find down there? seems like a lot of 4 doors.
Yes they are mate we didn’t make hardly any coupes here
Plenty if you have money
@@randomdude4669 dd speedshop is turning 4 door 57`s into 2 doors...pretty kool. if i lived down under, i would be chopping the hell outta cars.
@@jualarock1765 we also have extremely strict bullshit laws here stopping people from converting the base model sedans to coupes
@@randomdude4669 shitty. in the states, we put hobby plates on it and do whatever.
Can you do a timing video?
I did do a pre start tips and checks video with how I check timing if you want to have a look
We have about the same setup.. How do yu setup valves b4 initial start up/break in bc cam card suggests doing it hot. Do yu go loser? I have cast iron 2v heads solid lifter /roller rocker 351. Also thanks for the videos especially the intake gasket one.
What kind of parts you have in this engine?
It was a while since I looked at the build sheet I can’t remember exactly, but it was loaded with good parts and a proven combo that works again and again.
@@thclevoking I have 351c 4-bolt, but its pretty much standard engine. My purpose is to rebuild the engine, but I dont know must I stroke it, or keep it 351, if I want 450+ hp, and keep driving feature still ok. I dont know is that possible without stroke? If I just put there a tough camshaft, aluminum heads, better headers and intake and holley sniper.
@@69silakka easily possible I have made 450hp with basic 2v cc heads. If you invested in some trickflow heads and an edelbrock air gap and a small hydro roller cam like the comp 290hr you would surpass the 500 with the right piston choice. Or alternatively I use a lot of xe284h flat tappet hydro cams with 2v alloy heads and get around the 450 without going to too much compression. I like to use the eagle rods with the floating pin, and an SRP forged piston in those combos if it will see sustained high rpm for longer then a quarter mile run.
Hey bro You don't have to break in roller cams that's why we don't use flat tappet anymore
This wasn’t a roller cam it’s flat tappet hydraulic mate
looks and sounds great, shame its an auto
5:59 $15:000 engine wtf,,, how? my 351 cost $4:600 and it's fairly modified, the pistons the cam the manifold the heads etc,
Things are about double the cost in Aus it’s a bit sad but we are used to it. Some of the us parts are 3 times more expensive here landed.
@@thclevoking dam but I'm in new Zealand
Was looking at videos to see if my dads wooden motor looked right and i think he done well, here is a video of what he made if your interested. ruclips.net/video/TusJ2cJoIBM/видео.html
I saw it last week and liked and subscribed to his channel. It’s a lot of work but a really cool idea!
Oh right thats great i didnt realise he had so many views
That is one tuff bitch you don't get cars like that now luckily l own one.
6.35 lol get rid of that starter motor lol thats guna fuck you over
Burnt it out getting oil up to the rockers...