I see Lou down in the comments and he's the reason I'm posting again. I posted a comment when this was first posted and joked with Skyler since then that my comment must have been shadow banned. Lou asked me what I thought of the video and as I told Skyler, I thought it was awesome. I took Dr. J at his word on the Rushmore accreditation and it was this video that made me go and check it out. I joked on my original comment that this video is going to drive traffic to the Rushmore university accreditation page..Which now come to think of it, might have been the problem since I had their address in my comment and I know RUclips doesn't like that in the comments. That obviously rubbed me the wrong way and wonder if he may be confusing what being accredited is, to give him the benefit of the doubt. But awesome video brother.
I agree with you that John is excellent at "torturing science". That said, the hypertrophy I got from two years of training with bands and my body weight tells me that there is something to this style of training. I do train high frequency (each body parts gets nailed 3 to 4 times per week), and use my own design platform + handle, which fixes many issues that you will find with traditional footplate + bar setups like X3. Given the variable resistance of bands, failure is not as clear cut as with weights. As you fatigue, the ROM will get progressively shorter. I usually stay with a resistance level that allows me to do 12 to 20 decent reps for two to three work sets. For exercises where the end position is the most difficult (e.g. rows), it is possible to do a brief isometric hold on each rep. Limb length or user size is not an issue in my opinion. A properly designed foot plate can ensure that you get resistance from the start of the movement. A taller person will extend the band further, and just won't need as much rubber to get the same resistance at the top. In my opinion, external anchors suck, as you demonstrated when you showed the rowing movement that pulled you towards the anchor point. To allow for maximum force output and to get consistent loading, I always use either my feet or a foot plate as the band attachment point. The resistance curve for banded curls really isn't that bad. I use a shortened EZ curl bar with the band attached in the middle, feet on the band loop. Additional benefits of resistance band training: Bands have almost no inertia, so you don't have momentum to mess you up or cheat with. Explosive movements can be done safely, and will load the entire range of motion. Heavy bands also work well for isometric holds, and are more pleasant to use than a stiff strap or chain. While you still have to brace properly and maintain decent posture, failure with bands is normally much more benign. Bands enable me to do heavy training at home without a spotter, and repeatedly reach a level of muscle tension that I would not dare to touch with a barbell or dumbbells.
Heavy bands are a good enough workout replacement for someone who is very busy or has specific injuries. Due to the suboptimal force curve and limited exercise variation they are definitely not as efficient at stimulating hypertrophy as regular weight training. But you can definitely get some results if you stay consistent and keep applying some manner of progressive overload. The bombastic marketing claims by Jaquish are just super cringe. That’s the main problem I have with the product.
I'd already watched other takedowns of his claims so when this came on as autoplay I admit I initially paused it, but am thankful that I decided to keep going instead. Your explanation of the use of bands/chains by Westside equipped lifters was probably the most enlightening part for me personally, but this was a very thorough and interesting video. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
Good video with valid points. The Dr has put on a masterclass on marketing a product. With that said, I purchased the X3 for travel but ended up using it just as much as my Olympic barbell and free weights. Resistance band training with a well designed minibar gives a great workout. The outrageous claims and reactions drew me to X3 and I am better off because of it.
Oh, it's a legit product. If you use it as part of a well structured routine, you will see results. Adding it to free weights is even better, as it allows you to take advantage of the benefits of both. Good product, good materials, good build quality, etc. Jaquish and his more outrageous claims are the primary issues.
I am a retired athlete and retired Special Forces. I didn't believe anything he stated, but I gave it an honest try. Dude... I'm in the best shape!! Like him or not he is correct. His system is amazing.
Great video. My favorite part of Jaquish's interview with Mike is when he said that he has the exact same Myers-Briggs personality score as someone who also makes outrageous claims about himself, who also has a long history of commiting fraud, and who also currently has a large cult following who attack any and all detractors.
When mentioning Bowflex he claims they didn't get the ratios correct. The only problem is he didn't make the bands so I'm not sure how he can claims he did. He just purchased the bands from IronWoody at the time and added a bar and plate. Furthermore, Xbar did the bar and band system 2 years before he did. Granted he improved it with the hook design and ground plate and added flat bands.
That's the thing, because of the nature of resistance bands (from design to material science) there is no way to dial in the resistance curve. That is part of what I was referencing when I mentioned that he just uses standard bands and there is no way to universally match every users' strength curve (giving the example of one user being 5 feet tall and having short armsm, while another is 6'8" and had very long arms). Even if he was somehow able to invent a brand new type of material that allowed him to calibrate the resistance curve, that would only be applicable to the one specific persion it was calibrated for. And it would only be "calibrated" for one specific movement pattern, as other exercises inherently would not have the same strength curve over a given range of motion.
@@SkylerKingTW Makes sense. In 2015 he was complimented in an interview of being "really buff and built". He owed it all to his first invention using just four movements, 4 exercises, 5 seconds apiece, so literally in 20 seconds, you’ve got a week’s worth of workout-like weight-lifting workout done. But being the "buff and built" weakling he was he packed on 50lbs of muscle 2 years later when X3 was invented. Also, in his book he said he doesn't pay for endorsements while featuring a page full of NBA/NFL players on his site. Pro players demand big money for endorsements. They don't do free advertising.
He also weighs 240 pounds and claims to eat one meal a day,I suppose that's possible but it makes you wonder. According to him resistance bands only work with his product and not when anchored to a door etc. My question is why? And of course he admits to be on TRT.
I edited so much out of this video, as I had addressed so many issues (which include his claims about diet, as just one example) that the original unedited version was around 90 minutes. Like I said, the more I listen to him, the harder it is to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I saw the interview with Jaquish on SBT’s channel, and I left a comment in defense of the guy against these “Trolls” disparaging him because he went to Rushmore. I said that I like using the product, and to me it doesn’t matter where he went to school. I left that comment because the interview made it seem like people were just being a bit snobbish that he didn’t go to an Ivy League, or something like that. Now that I finally found this video, which he referenced, heard what you are actually saying, and understand he is actually lying about it - well, egg on my face. I still like using the band/bar system, though. Easy to travel with. Still love my Total gym, too. I’m still trying to use that on the weekends When I have more time.
Yeah, the X3 is a legitimately well made product that you can get great results from if you use it correctly. Jaquish also went to two legitimate/accredited schools and thus does have legitimate degrees (albeit, in marketing - which makes sense). My problems are specifically with all of the false (and sometimes outrageous) claims he makes. Also, I actually commented on that video and pointed some things out, but Mike did not approve the comment (I am assuming) and thus it never showed up, publicly.
Great video, thanks for posting. It is true that the torque force being generated on the upper and lower limb bones increase exponentially as those bones fall into alignment during extension. The exact increase will vary from person to person based on leverage factors such as bone length, insertion points, and other factors, therefore not necessarily a 7 fold increase across the board for everyone. A 7X increase in torque measured at a specific point along the torque curve is not the same as a 7X increase in strength. So of course someone who can only bench press 100 lbs is not going to be able to do partial reps with 700 lbs, or even able hold that weight in a static position. And yet they are capable of generating a 7X increase through the torque range. Hopefully someone better versed in physics will come along and explain the biomechanics of these movements better than I can
Great comment. I understand the difference, as this is the type of stuff I deal with for work. However, he says, specifically, that you are 7x stronger and references it in terms of the amount of weight that can be lifted - so that is what I was responding to.
@@SkylerKingTWmy understanding was that that 7X had more to do with what he discovered with his Osteostrong product, I believe part of the reason why the bands are called X3 is because the strength curve is 3X not 7X. But yeah, overall the more I look into him the more questionable it gets. His explanations kinda don't add up across multiple interviews. I have tried his product, full disclosure. Got it for a lot less than it seems everyone else did, not sure why. Can't say anything conclusive about it yet.
Omg you got the photoshop stuff right on the title I could make a whole video on how he looks different on ever instagram post a couple are really bad when you zoom in like really bad clear photoshop
Bands are a great way of working out. They aren’t a new invention and knowledgeable people have told us about benefits years ago. Not knocking on John he obviously he has a good system but basically he made what was old new again. I give him credit for his osteostrong company but his bands are nothing new maybe higher grade but still bands. I honestly think harambe system would be a better system tbh. The harambe seems to be engineered better and the inventor seems more humble and doesn’t make grandiose claims like John does
I genuinely like Harambe. Higher quality materials, better design on both the bar and the foot plate. The owner doesn’t make any crazy claims about the system. Not to mention, it’s actually a little cheaper than the X3.
Great for mobility work, you ain't getting jacked from them. Unless you count wasting 500+ on bands, then you're getting jacked with barbed wire fleshlight.
He is another guy with a good product who went way overboard with the marketing. I guess he thought it necessary to stand out in a market full of product claims. It's not just here is a good product that works, but it's the only product, and everything else is inferior and even dangerous. That said, I have the product. When I go on vacation, I use the entire program for the week. I also use the bar for biceps, triceps, bent over row and pec crossover on off days from my novice strength training. The bar, plate and bands fit into a well made pack that I just put in my vehicle.
Fine video. That stated, the fact that so many are discussing him and his equipment means he already won. Furthermore, I actually have become more empathetic toward rigid, cult-like personalities in the fitness space because it seems no matter what you do everybody and their mother has something to say to try and discredit it. And I say that as a firm believer in the scientific method, peer reviewed research, open systems etc. The problem in the fitness space is everyone thinks they are a "peer". From the guy who just started training at 40 years old with only 3 sessions with a personal trainer, to banged up and beat up former bodybuilders and powerlifters, to "white paper" research study junkies who have never broken a sweat in a gym, it just gets exhausting. In my 40's now and started training with weights at 11 years old. I played most organized sports, including wrestling. Read the magazines, the books and enjoyed seeing trends in fitness come and go. At the end of the day, the benefits of resistance training are so profound that I no longer care if people go about it in a less than optimal way. It used to bother me seeing people waste time or money on gadgets, gimicks and gurus. No longer. If this diploma mill PhD can get people off their fat asses and out of a mobility scooter for a few extra years, I'm all for it. As for the price of admissions, kinda feel the same way. If someone wants to spend 600 bucks for rubber bands, a baby bar and a piece of metal, more power to them.
Good video. Very thorough. For a time I couldn't decide if Jaquish was a con artist or was just wrong but legitimately believed in the stuff that he was pitching. His TEDx appearance and that nonsense about how some people have tendons "that attach on the other side of the bone", his arrogance, his reaction to legitimate criticism, claims of putting on 60lbs. of muscle using only the X3 (without drugs) and the whole "every training method other than X3 is garbage" make it pretty clear that he is a snake oil salesman. I also notice that he only does interviews where he can control the narrative. I haven't yet seen him do an interview where someone asks him tough questions like the ones raised here. He only seems to do interviews with people who ask setup softball questions which allows him to talk about how great he is, pontificate at length about himself and the X3 and turn the "interview" into essentially an infomercial for his product.
Thanks this was good. I particularly enjoyed your explanation of how pulling exercises have a "reverse" strength curve. One thing is that Jaquish's talk was with TEDx not TED. My understanding is that TEDx is not as rigorous in who is allowed to give talks. That's important because many were saying that TED lost credibility when it allowed Jaquish to speak. No, it was TEDx. I was tempted to buy Jaquish's book just to debunk it. At $6 on Kindle it's not expensive, but honestly I don't want to give this guy any of my money. The Sliding Bench Trainer guy posted links to some of the studies and being a nerd I read some of them. Most concluded that resistance bands produced the same results as regular weight training. So nothing special. For those who want a portable gym bands can be a decent alternative.
I don't know about 7x strong at the top but you are stronger at the top. Isn't that the whole idea behind forced reps and negatives? Am I missing your point there?
The point I was making was that he says a lot of stuff that simply isn't true. In some cases, he will take something that is "true" to an extent but then he will embellish and add on to it to the point where the conclusion he has reached is no longer true. Add to it that he is intentionally only showing one side of the coin, so to speak. For example, on a pressing movement you are "stronger at the top" because of the mechanically advantageous position of your limbs while the muscles are fully contracted. So, the "top" or the "completion" of the rep is the strongest. But if you you look at the other side of that movement pattern, a "pulling" motion, then the exact opposite is true. The "top" or "completion" of a rep, when the muscles are fully contracted, actually occurs in a mechanically disadvantageous position. For this reason, you are actually "weaker at the top" in these movements.
Understand criticism of JJ - there is room for it. However you are wrong about strength differentials in force production capabilities in movements like leg press, bench, and deadlift - fact is Jaquish invented an isometric technology called bioDensity that is also available as Osteostrong. Where every isometric repetition is measuring force production which you see on a screen. These devices used commercial load sensor and are very accurate. Fact is he is CORRECT - as an example at my strongest I could be 225 in the bench. However working near lockout on biodensity I routinely produced over 1,500lbs of force - that is a fact my friend. These machines are all over the place and all data is saved - in fact they are proven to build bone density in peer reviewed studies. So while he definitely pushes out some BS - there is also some truth to what he is saying.
I respectfully disagree. I might make a video elaborating on why, specifically, you are mistaken on those figures and their meaning as I don't think I could explain it correctly in a short comment. I will say that there is a reason why you only see the results you're referring to (assuming you are correct, as it has not been verified) on those specific machines, and not in any other capacity or more direct/traditional method.
Even if he’s not a doctor x3 works , I see my gains using x3 in wk 7 more gains when I went to the gym for 5 months with a trainer . Get a life mate, look at you compared to Dr Jaquish. No comparison. By a x3 and stop waiting people time with foolishness
I never said that X3 didn't work. In fact, I specifically said that it is a well made, quality product that will absolutely work if you use it correctly. I'm going to assume this means that you didn't actually watch the video. Either way, Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas , I’m 58 years old with diabetes for 30 years, carnivore diet 1 and 3/4 of a year, off one of my insulin and I’ve never seen muscle gain on my body like this my whole life. Only 7 weeks in . I will watch your whole video sometime. Merry Christmas 🎄
@@reggieaustin1639 That diet has done wonders for people. Congratulations on the positive changes, so far. I’m sure it’s just the beginning and you’ll continue to see great results.
Dude has a bogus degree and you still refer to him as Dr. Jacquish. It's about principles. Those who overlook a lack of principles in others don't possess them in themselves.
I have tried it page 104 of his book the last page I read before tossing it. Lifting a boulder can be a great product but it can still spew incorrect information purposely for shock and sales. And photoshop itself into a bowling ball. Also look up Charlatan definition and see if he fits the bill.
Looks you you got to him. Most of your video talks about his "science", but I'm sure he just forgot about that part. :D from: Dr. John Jaquish · To my detractors, Thanks so much for all the business you have sent me. You make almost no arguments that are coherent against my product, but rather attack me personally (and lie) which is a debate fallacy, called ad hominem. You should probably look it up. Your arguments are so bad, they actually drive traffic to a high degree. We have so many happy customers that only learned about us because they watched some outrage video, and the arguments were so transparently wrong or jealousy driven, that’s just how they discovered me and X3. Cheers mutherf*****s! Also, I’m sure my detractors will have a problem with this photo. No, not edited, that’s what happens when you hire a good wedding photographer. They make you look great.
The guy is clearly insecure. If this stuff was helping his business, he wouldn’t tell anyone. He’d just enjoy the increased revenue. If he’s making a point to say the the criticism is helping business, then it’s clearly not.
@@SkylerKingTW yeah, he pretty much responds to any criticism on his Facebook ads and RUclips channel. He also tells the users in his Official group to defend him as well. You are correct though. The people who tell you they DGAF are generally the people who do. Because the people who truly don't, don't say anything. :D
If u go against the x3 & the science behind it u cant surely make a video & coment negative unless u have used the x3 & 99% of negative videos people have not used it & coment about something they haven’t tryed
It sounds like you are just repeating his words. What do you base that percentage on? If you read the "science" you'll find it often doesn't match what he is stating or it's very selective. You obviously didn't listen to the video to understand his viewpoints.
I’m just going off that I own an x3 bar & it’s fantastic. Believe me I’m not clever enough to understand the science etc. i would like people with opinion to actually have used an x3 system. Not a knock off x3 or resistance training I mean an actual x3 bar with there bands only
I didn't say anything bad about the X3. I actually said multiple times throughout the video that people I know who have the X3 seem to really like it and go on and on about the quality of it. I said that it looks like a quality product. That you can absolutely get great workouts with it and see great results.
You never fail in the bottom of a press!? Of course many people do as I have many times however that is a consequence of being at a leverage disadvantage compared to the arms being locked or nearly so, it isn't necessarily about being weaker in the bottom of a press just disadvantaged in terms of the extremities-arms being bent.
Reps are sometimes failed at the bottom, but reps are most commonly failed at the midpoint or just before lockout. Unless you are trying a weight that is considerably heavier than your true 1rm... then it will pin you at the bottom nearly every time. As for the "weaker" vs "mechanical disadvantage", I am not sure if you are trolling or not. I repeatedly not only mentioned but went into great detail explaining the mechanical disadvantage at the bottom of a rep in a pressing type movement (as an example) and how that is then reversed for a pulling type movement (as an example) where the mechanical disadvantage is at the "top" of the rep, which I then further discussed as being the reason why any advantage that could be gained by using resistance bands in a pressing movement would then be completely lost, and by that same logic would even become detrimental, in a pulling movement.
@@SkylerKingTWIt seems as though you do not understand variable resistance as the band becoming stretched out in a press is what creates maximum tension to the lockout position, the exact opposite would be the case in a pull. The whole reason why bands are a great tool is because of variable resistance & the tension being maximized as you push & pull on the band it's that simple. And yes of course the bottom of the press to about half way up is where the failure point is because of leverage disadvantage in that position. You can still get benefit as you start failing on the pull with bands as the first 1/3 to 1/4 of the pull can still provide very strong tension on the lats/back, you can play with it once you realize what positions offer the most tension upon the muscles same thing with a press. I'm not trolling simply stating facts as regards mechanics due to the position of the extremities-arms in this case.
@@SkylerKingTWI agree with you calling him out on some things he stated as I did as well after watching one of SBT'S videos with John so cheers on that.
@@SkylerKingTW No sir not at all I just responded to what you said in the video which I did watch from start to finish & I wanted to see what you had to say about John, as I had just finished watching one of the interviews SBT did with him & John's very stupid/ignorant comments about overtraining made me seriously question the veracity of anything else he said. You said that you're not weaker in the bottom of a bench because otherwise you wouldn't be able to push off the bottom to the top!? That lead me to respond how I did also you saying that the benefit of bands on the lockout then are a detriment on pulling which is not true.
His lack of a legitimate PhD is directly relevant to him falsely claiming to be a "doctor" and using that title in all of his advertising and material, public discussions, etc. There is a large group of people who will immediately assume that what he is saying "must be true" because "he is a doctor". So, him not actually being a doctor and not actually having a PhD is relevant.
I see Lou down in the comments and he's the reason I'm posting again. I posted a comment when this was first posted and joked with Skyler since then that my comment must have been shadow banned. Lou asked me what I thought of the video and as I told Skyler, I thought it was awesome. I took Dr. J at his word on the Rushmore accreditation and it was this video that made me go and check it out. I joked on my original comment that this video is going to drive traffic to the Rushmore university accreditation page..Which now come to think of it, might have been the problem since I had their address in my comment and I know RUclips doesn't like that in the comments. That obviously rubbed me the wrong way and wonder if he may be confusing what being accredited is, to give him the benefit of the doubt. But awesome video brother.
I think that might be what it was. Very happy to see that you are able to comment, though. Thank you for watching and for the support.
I agree with you that John is excellent at "torturing science".
That said, the hypertrophy I got from two years of training with bands and my body weight tells me that there is something to this style of training. I do train high frequency (each body parts gets nailed 3 to 4 times per week), and use my own design platform + handle, which fixes many issues that you will find with traditional footplate + bar setups like X3.
Given the variable resistance of bands, failure is not as clear cut as with weights. As you fatigue, the ROM will get progressively shorter. I usually stay with a resistance level that allows me to do 12 to 20 decent reps for two to three work sets. For exercises where the end position is the most difficult (e.g. rows), it is possible to do a brief isometric hold on each rep.
Limb length or user size is not an issue in my opinion. A properly designed foot plate can ensure that you get resistance from the start of the movement. A taller person will extend the band further, and just won't need as much rubber to get the same resistance at the top.
In my opinion, external anchors suck, as you demonstrated when you showed the rowing movement that pulled you towards the anchor point. To allow for maximum force output and to get consistent loading, I always use either my feet or a foot plate as the band attachment point.
The resistance curve for banded curls really isn't that bad. I use a shortened EZ curl bar with the band attached in the middle, feet on the band loop.
Additional benefits of resistance band training: Bands have almost no inertia, so you don't have momentum to mess you up or cheat with. Explosive movements can be done safely, and will load the entire range of motion. Heavy bands also work well for isometric holds, and are more pleasant to use than a stiff strap or chain. While you still have to brace properly and maintain decent posture, failure with bands is normally much more benign. Bands enable me to do heavy training at home without a spotter, and repeatedly reach a level of muscle tension that I would not dare to touch with a barbell or dumbbells.
Heavy bands are a good enough workout replacement for someone who is very busy or has specific injuries. Due to the suboptimal force curve and limited exercise variation they are definitely not as efficient at stimulating hypertrophy as regular weight training. But you can definitely get some results if you stay consistent and keep applying some manner of progressive overload.
The bombastic marketing claims by Jaquish are just super cringe. That’s the main problem I have with the product.
I'd already watched other takedowns of his claims so when this came on as autoplay I admit I initially paused it, but am thankful that I decided to keep going instead. Your explanation of the use of bands/chains by Westside equipped lifters was probably the most enlightening part for me personally, but this was a very thorough and interesting video. Thanks for taking the time to do it.
Good video with valid points. The Dr has put on a masterclass on marketing a product. With that said, I purchased the X3 for travel but ended up using it just as much as my Olympic barbell and free weights. Resistance band training with a well designed minibar gives a great workout. The outrageous claims and reactions drew me to X3 and I am better off because of it.
Oh, it's a legit product. If you use it as part of a well structured routine, you will see results. Adding it to free weights is even better, as it allows you to take advantage of the benefits of both. Good product, good materials, good build quality, etc. Jaquish and his more outrageous claims are the primary issues.
I am a retired athlete and retired Special Forces. I didn't believe anything he stated, but I gave it an honest try.
Dude... I'm in the best shape!! Like him or not he is correct. His system is amazing.
I am happy to hear that you have seen good results. I stand by everything I said, though.
Such an obvious fake account.
I agree some of the strongest Guys used this system back in the 80 s
@@SkylerKingTW just try it yourself and stop talking shit
Great video. My favorite part of Jaquish's interview with Mike is when he said that he has the exact same Myers-Briggs personality score as someone who also makes outrageous claims about himself, who also has a long history of commiting fraud, and who also currently has a large cult following who attack any and all detractors.
The guy explained this whole thing about this snake oil salesman correctly a BS artist
When mentioning Bowflex he claims they didn't get the ratios correct. The only problem is he didn't make the bands so I'm not sure how he can claims he did. He just purchased the bands from IronWoody at the time and added a bar and plate. Furthermore, Xbar did the bar and band system 2 years before he did. Granted he improved it with the hook design and ground plate and added flat bands.
That's the thing, because of the nature of resistance bands (from design to material science) there is no way to dial in the resistance curve. That is part of what I was referencing when I mentioned that he just uses standard bands and there is no way to universally match every users' strength curve (giving the example of one user being 5 feet tall and having short armsm, while another is 6'8" and had very long arms). Even if he was somehow able to invent a brand new type of material that allowed him to calibrate the resistance curve, that would only be applicable to the one specific persion it was calibrated for. And it would only be "calibrated" for one specific movement pattern, as other exercises inherently would not have the same strength curve over a given range of motion.
@@SkylerKingTW Makes sense. In 2015 he was complimented in an interview of being "really buff and built". He owed it all to his first invention using just four movements, 4 exercises, 5 seconds apiece, so literally in 20 seconds, you’ve got a week’s worth of workout-like weight-lifting workout done. But being the "buff and built" weakling he was he packed on 50lbs of muscle 2 years later when X3 was invented. Also, in his book he said he doesn't pay for endorsements while featuring a page full of NBA/NFL players on his site. Pro players demand big money for endorsements. They don't do free advertising.
Thank you. Spot on. I listened to Dr Lyon interview him and thought, what an arrogant person. Con man.
He also weighs 240 pounds and claims to eat one meal a day,I suppose that's possible but it makes you wonder. According to him resistance bands only work with his product and not when anchored to a door etc. My question is why? And of course he admits to be on TRT.
I edited so much out of this video, as I had addressed so many issues (which include his claims about diet, as just one example) that the original unedited version was around 90 minutes. Like I said, the more I listen to him, the harder it is to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah he's a big time liar
I saw the interview with Jaquish on SBT’s channel, and I left a comment in defense of the guy against these “Trolls” disparaging him because he went to Rushmore. I said that I like using the product, and to me it doesn’t matter where he went to school. I left that comment because the interview made it seem like people were just being a bit snobbish that he didn’t go to an Ivy League, or something like that. Now that I finally found this video, which he referenced, heard what you are actually saying, and understand he is actually lying about it - well, egg on my face. I still like using the band/bar system, though. Easy to travel with. Still love my Total
gym, too. I’m still trying to use that on the weekends
When I have more time.
Yeah, the X3 is a legitimately well made product that you can get great results from if you use it correctly. Jaquish also went to two legitimate/accredited schools and thus does have legitimate degrees (albeit, in marketing - which makes sense). My problems are specifically with all of the false (and sometimes outrageous) claims he makes.
Also, I actually commented on that video and pointed some things out, but Mike did not approve the comment (I am assuming) and thus it never showed up, publicly.
Great video, thanks for posting. It is true that the torque force being generated on the upper and lower limb bones increase exponentially as those bones fall into alignment during extension. The exact increase will vary from person to person based on leverage factors such as bone length, insertion points, and other factors, therefore not necessarily a 7 fold increase across the board for everyone. A 7X increase in torque measured at a specific point along the torque curve is not the same as a 7X increase in strength. So of course someone who can only bench press 100 lbs is not going to be able to do partial reps with 700 lbs, or even able hold that weight in a static position. And yet they are capable of generating a 7X increase through the torque range. Hopefully someone better versed in physics will come along and explain the biomechanics of these movements better than I can
Great comment. I understand the difference, as this is the type of stuff I deal with for work. However, he says, specifically, that you are 7x stronger and references it in terms of the amount of weight that can be lifted - so that is what I was responding to.
@@SkylerKingTWmy understanding was that that 7X had more to do with what he discovered with his Osteostrong product, I believe part of the reason why the bands are called X3 is because the strength curve is 3X not 7X.
But yeah, overall the more I look into him the more questionable it gets. His explanations kinda don't add up across multiple interviews.
I have tried his product, full disclosure. Got it for a lot less than it seems everyone else did, not sure why. Can't say anything conclusive about it yet.
Omg you got the photoshop stuff right on the title I could make a whole video on how he looks different on ever instagram post a couple are really bad when you zoom in like really bad clear photoshop
Bands are a great way of working out. They aren’t a new invention and knowledgeable people have told us about benefits years ago. Not knocking on John he obviously he has a good system but basically he made what was old new again. I give him credit for his osteostrong company but his bands are nothing new maybe higher grade but still bands. I honestly think harambe system would be a better system tbh. The harambe seems to be engineered better and the inventor seems more humble and doesn’t make grandiose claims like John does
I genuinely like Harambe. Higher quality materials, better design on both the bar and the foot plate. The owner doesn’t make any crazy claims about the system. Not to mention, it’s actually a little cheaper than the X3.
Great for mobility work, you ain't getting jacked from them.
Unless you count wasting 500+ on bands, then you're getting jacked with barbed wire fleshlight.
He is another guy with a good product who went way overboard with the marketing. I guess he thought it necessary to stand out in a market full of product claims. It's not just here is a good product that works, but it's the only product, and everything else is inferior and even dangerous. That said, I have the product. When I go on vacation, I use the entire program for the week. I also use the bar for biceps, triceps, bent over row and pec crossover on off days from my novice strength training. The bar, plate and bands fit into a well made pack that I just put in my vehicle.
Fine video. That stated, the fact that so many are discussing him and his equipment means he already won.
Furthermore, I actually have become more empathetic toward rigid, cult-like personalities in the fitness space because it seems no matter what you do everybody and their mother has something to say to try and discredit it. And I say that as a firm believer in the scientific method, peer reviewed research, open systems etc.
The problem in the fitness space is everyone thinks they are a "peer". From the guy who just started training at 40 years old with only 3 sessions with a personal trainer, to banged up and beat up former bodybuilders and powerlifters, to "white paper" research study junkies who have never broken a sweat in a gym, it just gets exhausting.
In my 40's now and started training with weights at 11 years old. I played most organized sports, including wrestling. Read the magazines, the books and enjoyed seeing trends in fitness come and go.
At the end of the day, the benefits of resistance training are so profound that I no longer care if people go about it in a less than optimal way. It used to bother me seeing people waste time or money on gadgets, gimicks and gurus. No longer.
If this diploma mill PhD can get people off their fat asses and out of a mobility scooter for a few extra years, I'm all for it.
As for the price of admissions, kinda feel the same way. If someone wants to spend 600 bucks for rubber bands, a baby bar and a piece of metal, more power to them.
This is exceptionally well stated and I think I agree with everything you've said, here.
Good video. Very thorough. For a time I couldn't decide if Jaquish was a con artist or was just wrong but legitimately believed in the stuff that he was pitching. His TEDx appearance and that nonsense about how some people have tendons "that attach on the other side of the bone", his arrogance, his reaction to legitimate criticism, claims of putting on 60lbs. of muscle using only the X3 (without drugs) and the whole "every training method other than X3 is garbage" make it pretty clear that he is a snake oil salesman.
I also notice that he only does interviews where he can control the narrative. I haven't yet seen him do an interview where someone asks him tough questions like the ones raised here. He only seems to do interviews with people who ask setup softball questions which allows him to talk about how great he is, pontificate at length about himself and the X3 and turn the "interview" into essentially an infomercial for his product.
Yeah, I have been very disappointed with the "interviews" that he does (to say the least).
Thanks this was good. I particularly enjoyed your explanation of how pulling exercises have a "reverse" strength curve. One thing is that Jaquish's talk was with TEDx not TED. My understanding is that TEDx is not as rigorous in who is allowed to give talks. That's important because many were saying that TED lost credibility when it allowed Jaquish to speak. No, it was TEDx. I was tempted to buy Jaquish's book just to debunk it. At $6 on Kindle it's not expensive, but honestly I don't want to give this guy any of my money. The Sliding Bench Trainer guy posted links to some of the studies and being a nerd I read some of them. Most concluded that resistance bands produced the same results as regular weight training. So nothing special. For those who want a portable gym bands can be a decent alternative.
Thank you for calling this con artist out.
I don't know about 7x strong at the top but you are stronger at the top. Isn't that the whole idea behind forced reps and negatives? Am I missing your point there?
The point I was making was that he says a lot of stuff that simply isn't true. In some cases, he will take something that is "true" to an extent but then he will embellish and add on to it to the point where the conclusion he has reached is no longer true. Add to it that he is intentionally only showing one side of the coin, so to speak. For example, on a pressing movement you are "stronger at the top" because of the mechanically advantageous position of your limbs while the muscles are fully contracted. So, the "top" or the "completion" of the rep is the strongest. But if you you look at the other side of that movement pattern, a "pulling" motion, then the exact opposite is true. The "top" or "completion" of a rep, when the muscles are fully contracted, actually occurs in a mechanically disadvantageous position. For this reason, you are actually "weaker at the top" in these movements.
Understand criticism of JJ - there is room for it. However you are wrong about strength differentials in force production capabilities in movements like leg press, bench, and deadlift - fact is Jaquish invented an isometric technology called bioDensity that is also available as Osteostrong. Where every isometric repetition is measuring force production which you see on a screen. These devices used commercial load sensor and are very accurate. Fact is he is CORRECT - as an example at my strongest I could be 225 in the bench. However working near lockout on biodensity I routinely produced over 1,500lbs of force - that is a fact my friend. These machines are all over the place and all data is saved - in fact they are proven to build bone density in peer reviewed studies. So while he definitely pushes out some BS - there is also some truth to what he is saying.
I respectfully disagree. I might make a video elaborating on why, specifically, you are mistaken on those figures and their meaning as I don't think I could explain it correctly in a short comment. I will say that there is a reason why you only see the results you're referring to (assuming you are correct, as it has not been verified) on those specific machines, and not in any other capacity or more direct/traditional method.
Sounds like he made a lot of fluff to sell his products.
Even if he’s not a doctor x3 works , I see my gains using x3 in wk 7 more gains when I went to the gym for 5 months with a trainer . Get a life mate, look at you compared to Dr Jaquish. No comparison. By a x3 and stop waiting people time with foolishness
I never said that X3 didn't work. In fact, I specifically said that it is a well made, quality product that will absolutely work if you use it correctly. I'm going to assume this means that you didn't actually watch the video. Either way, Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas , I’m 58 years old with diabetes for 30 years, carnivore diet 1 and 3/4 of a year, off one of my insulin and I’ve never seen muscle gain on my body like this my whole life. Only 7 weeks in . I will watch your whole video sometime. Merry Christmas 🎄
@@reggieaustin1639 That diet has done wonders for people. Congratulations on the positive changes, so far. I’m sure it’s just the beginning and you’ll continue to see great results.
Dude has a bogus degree and you still refer to him as Dr. Jacquish. It's about principles. Those who overlook a lack of principles in others don't possess them in themselves.
You should try the product before you call him a charlatan
Did you watch the video?
I have tried it page 104 of his book the last page I read before tossing it. Lifting a boulder can be a great product but it can still spew incorrect information purposely for shock and sales. And photoshop itself into a bowling ball.
Also look up Charlatan definition and see if he fits the bill.
Looks you you got to him. Most of your video talks about his "science", but I'm sure he just forgot about that part. :D
from: Dr. John Jaquish
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To my detractors,
Thanks so much for all the business you have sent me. You make almost no arguments that are coherent against my product, but rather attack me personally (and lie) which is a debate fallacy, called ad hominem. You should probably look it up. Your arguments are so bad, they actually drive traffic to a high degree. We have so many happy customers that only learned about us because they watched some outrage video, and the arguments were so transparently wrong or jealousy driven, that’s just how they discovered me and X3. Cheers mutherf*****s!
Also, I’m sure my detractors will have a problem with this photo. No, not edited, that’s what happens when you hire a good wedding photographer. They make you look great.
The guy is clearly insecure. If this stuff was helping his business, he wouldn’t tell anyone. He’d just enjoy the increased revenue. If he’s making a point to say the the criticism is helping business, then it’s clearly not.
@@SkylerKingTW yeah, he pretty much responds to any criticism on his Facebook ads and RUclips channel. He also tells the users in his Official group to defend him as well. You are correct though. The people who tell you they DGAF are generally the people who do. Because the people who truly don't, don't say anything. :D
This guy has a mental disorder. Narcissist I'd say. Repulsive human being. Never seen a businessperson like him.
His arms are bigger than yours ;)
Think so?
If u go against the x3 & the science behind it u cant surely make a video & coment negative unless u have used the x3 & 99% of negative videos people have not used it & coment about something they haven’t tryed
It sounds like you are just repeating his words. What do you base that percentage on? If you read the "science" you'll find it often doesn't match what he is stating or it's very selective. You obviously didn't listen to the video to understand his viewpoints.
Did you watch the video?
I’m just going off that I own an x3 bar & it’s fantastic. Believe me I’m not clever enough to understand the science etc. i would like people with opinion to actually have used an x3 system. Not a knock off x3 or resistance training I mean an actual x3 bar with there bands only
I didn't say anything bad about the X3. I actually said multiple times throughout the video that people I know who have the X3 seem to really like it and go on and on about the quality of it. I said that it looks like a quality product. That you can absolutely get great workouts with it and see great results.
@@SkylerKingTW great, wondering if u will get hold of one as u like powerlifting and that elite band might interest you
You never fail in the bottom of a press!? Of course many people do as I have many times however that is a consequence of being at a leverage disadvantage compared to the arms being locked or nearly so, it isn't necessarily about being weaker in the bottom of a press just disadvantaged in terms of the extremities-arms being bent.
Reps are sometimes failed at the bottom, but reps are most commonly failed at the midpoint or just before lockout. Unless you are trying a weight that is considerably heavier than your true 1rm... then it will pin you at the bottom nearly every time.
As for the "weaker" vs "mechanical disadvantage", I am not sure if you are trolling or not. I repeatedly not only mentioned but went into great detail explaining the mechanical disadvantage at the bottom of a rep in a pressing type movement (as an example) and how that is then reversed for a pulling type movement (as an example) where the mechanical disadvantage is at the "top" of the rep, which I then further discussed as being the reason why any advantage that could be gained by using resistance bands in a pressing movement would then be completely lost, and by that same logic would even become detrimental, in a pulling movement.
@@SkylerKingTWIt seems as though you do not understand variable resistance as the band becoming stretched out in a press is what creates maximum tension to the lockout position, the exact opposite would be the case in a pull. The whole reason why bands are a great tool is because of variable resistance & the tension being maximized as you push & pull on the band it's that simple. And yes of course the bottom of the press to about half way up is where the failure point is because of leverage disadvantage in that position. You can still get benefit as you start failing on the pull with bands as the first 1/3 to 1/4 of the pull can still provide very strong tension on the lats/back, you can play with it once you realize what positions offer the most tension upon the muscles same thing with a press. I'm not trolling simply stating facts as regards mechanics due to the position of the extremities-arms in this case.
@@SkylerKingTWI agree with you calling him out on some things he stated as I did as well after watching one of SBT'S videos with John so cheers on that.
It seems pretty clear that you either didn't watch the video or you are trolling.
@@SkylerKingTW No sir not at all I just responded to what you said in the video which I did watch from start to finish & I wanted to see what you had to say about John, as I had just finished watching one of the interviews SBT did with him & John's very stupid/ignorant comments about overtraining made me seriously question the veracity of anything else he said. You said that you're not weaker in the bottom of a bench because otherwise you wouldn't be able to push off the bottom to the top!? That lead me to respond how I did also you saying that the benefit of bands on the lockout then are a detriment on pulling which is not true.
U r trying to put down his education …I’m not sure why education is important in this video ?
His lack of a legitimate PhD is directly relevant to him falsely claiming to be a "doctor" and using that title in all of his advertising and material, public discussions, etc. There is a large group of people who will immediately assume that what he is saying "must be true" because "he is a doctor". So, him not actually being a doctor and not actually having a PhD is relevant.